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Name change
I think the name Iranian attack on Israel is better. This is an attack like never before. In addition, this is an attack with different types of weapons (assuming we will find out later that there was also a cyber dimension and the like). Galamore (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but this should probably be a move discussion Lukt64 (talk) 21:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Because someone just forwarded the article without waiting for further opinions.Galamore (talk) 21:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There have been previous strikes on Israel by Iran, so for now let's leave it with the current name. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as in not calling it anything like Iran-Israel war. Calling it that when all of this could be over a week from now makes no sense to me. Poklane (talk) 21:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Background section focuses in an extremely WP:UNDUE way on the October 7 attacks and on Hamas, describing them in gruesome detail, while making little mention of the more direct background (the Israeli missile strike) that led to the confrontation. One or two sentences discussing the context (October 7 attacks and Israel-Hamas war) should be fine, but having several paragraphs give it a weight that isn't in the reliable sources and are not needed as immediate background, while the recent escalation of tensions between Iran and Israel could be more elaborated upon. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep I've tried to remove some of it but every time I get an edit conflict. AusLondonder (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest the "Background" section should only discuss in-depth the missile strike and any other events directly connected by WP:RS consensus to the current strikes. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for noticing, and aiming to keep it simple and succinct so that this does not become a battleground Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 21:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As it is, the article is not in sentence case as strikes is not a proper noun. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is due to the article being moved 3 times in 10 seconds, stopping the old name without capital S being used. Lukt64 (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support speedy move: completely uncontroversial BappleBusiness[talk] 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"ICBM missiles"
The claim in the article that there are ICBMs heading towards Israel doesn't seem substantiated by the source. Not all missiles are ICBMs. There are less than 1000km between Iran and Israel and ICBMs have a range of over 5000km. 109.101.157.168 (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I think in is preferred in those cases because the strikes targeted non-state actors in those countries and not, say, the regular armies of the countries. As a native U.S. English speaker, strikes on seems to imply the latter, but this could be semantics. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:09, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support speedy move although the page already exists as a redirect to this article. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is left up to technical requests. Lukt64 (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This page has been listed at WP:RM/T requesting that the undiscussed moves are reverted. AusLondonder (talk) 21:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support speedy move to sentence case, we can get consensus for "in" vs "on" later. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support speedy move to revert back to the proper, correct version with the lower case. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. Speedy move to correct sentence case (lowercase S), and 2. the correct preposition "on" (instead of "in" - which would only be correct if they were launched from Israel, which is not the case. Widefox; talk 21:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What would be the correct title for the other two pages mentioned above? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support speedy move: completely uncontroversial BappleBusiness[talk] 21:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Page has since been moved to 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel, which has also updated the requested move template above, giving it a misleading appearance. Please note that comments prior to 22:00 UTC were not necessarily opposed to the current name. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rod Rabelo: My intention was to simply point out that when you started the discussion, the article title was 2024 Iranian Strikes in Israel. It is now 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel, but the requested move template now reads It has been proposed in this section that 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel be renamed and moved to 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel, which was not the discussion when the comments above were made. Regards SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 23:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add commanders and leaders in lists
add names of Iranian president etc GeopoliticalSphygmomanometry (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Supreme Leader is the de facto leader of Iran, is there any evidence that the President is in charge of the operation? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 21:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should it not be 'have yet to reach Israel' instead of 'are yet to reach Israel' ?
They have reached Israel. Air raids sirens in Tel Aviv right now PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 22:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pictures
i do not know how to add pictures to Wikipedia i have some footage that can be added as Pictures of the drones in Israël Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Part of the Iran–Israel proxy conflict, Iran–Israel conflict during the Syrian civil war, Israel–Hamas war, and Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)
I do not believe these strikes could reasonably be considered part of a proxy conflict as one party in the conflict is directly striking the other party. I also find that these events have a tangential connection to Syria and little bearing on the internal civil war going on there. The latter two I find reasonable.
I have added a picture of a Iranian suicide drone in Israel shot down can't upload in wiki page cuz no permission Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 22:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot just upload random images you find. You need the copyright permission PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 22:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is the picture file Lukt64 (talk) 22:47, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, that's how copyright works. You can ask the person who took the picture to release it under a matching license (as CC BY-SA, not just "to use on Wikipedia" because of licensing shenanigans), or find/upload another picture whose creator released under a permissive license. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Navy
Is the navy also supposed to be added because I'm pretty sure their also going to get involved to shoot down the drones Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 22:56, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless a source says they have, they will not be added. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 22:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CNN has said the United States air defence is getting involved in this So in strength a USA air defence maybe? Basedenverist on tiktok (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh shit. Well, guess we go in the list of supporters now... Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Iran attacks U.S. bases in Iraq
OSINT sources say U.S. Forces at Erbil International Airport and Al-Asad Airbase in Western Iraq are under attack. Let's wait for better sources for confirmation Anime King (talk) 23:06, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should Jordan be listed as a supporter in the belligerents?
Jordan is listed here because Jordan stated they will shoot down any Iranian missiles that go through their airspace, but is that not just how closing your airspace works? Several other countries closed their airspace and I don't know that this meaningfully counts as Jordan offering Israel support. I get listing the US because the US is actually defending Israel, but it seems like Jordan is just enforcing the closure of Jordanian airspace? Vanilla Wizard 💙 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, closing your airspace is just a routine thing and isn't actual involvement. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reference I added[1] states that Jordan has opened its air space to Israel to allow shooting down the oncoming drones. --Z 23:18, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not downloading from whatever website this is, I expect better sources will catch up in a few minutes. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should wait as that is considered just a WP:primary source. --Z 23:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's the Guardian source form a few minutes ago. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Units involved
USAF and RAF in the units involved section? DontForgetJeff (talk) 23:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Name of operation
I believe the name of the operation is “Operation True Promise” not operation truthful promise (a desperate name for an operation in the Middle East in 2006) can this be changed? Bobfroglog12321 (talk) 23:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I've seen edits moving back and forth over this: should the US and UK be added as full belligerents in the infobox, or only as providing support? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Full surely, as they have air units actively intercepting UAVs. That is a full involvement with lives potentially at risk. DontForgetJeff (talk) 23:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chaotic Enby According to Sky News, USAF and RAF manned jets shot down many Iranian drones over Iraq. "Support" is used for mere military equipment supply rather than personnel. Llew Mawr (talk) 23:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They are not the targets of the attacks, so not sure if they would be full belligerents. --Z 23:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While they are not the main belligerent (Israel), they are actively shooting down drones which makes them co-belligerents. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 23:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem listing them provided we have sourcing to support that they've had an active role. AusLondonder (talk) 23:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Non-Houthi involvement not supported by ref
This sentence has been added a few times to the article: "Hezbollah and Iranian-backed groups in Iraq, Syria and Yemen also launched rockets towards Israel." [2]
However, looking at the context, it is clear that it's in reference to the broader Hamas-Israel war (not this particular drone strike).
It is Operation True Promise, not Operation Truthful Promise (more generally referring to a 2006 even in the Middle East). Please change it to Operation True Promise to clear this up as this is how it is being described by the IRGC which is their official title for these events. Bobfroglog12321 (talk) 23:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should we get some non-free images on the page, especially the images of the ground explosions, such as in the Nevatim Airbase or should we wait for free images to get upload? PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 23:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Be for real, who is gonna copyright strike wikipedia? Lukt64 (talk) 23:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a reason why we can't use any copyrighted image and ((fair use)) has strict conditions of use. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 00:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Iron dome
Why is Iron dome specifically listed, Arrow 3, David Sling, Iron Dome but specifically a2a missiles have been used to shoot down the majority of the drones. It is very out of place in the infobox, in my opinion and should be removed. 80.217.100.31 (talk) 00:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well someone requested it be added not too long ago but I will change it. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 00:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not every statement from every country from every institution needs to be covered. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Artesh involvement?
The infobox claims that the Artesh (Iran's conventional army) took part in the attacks alongside the IRGC, do we have any sources for this? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was one but it was heavily biased in its wording. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]