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Pint glasses should be 568ml. That is the conversion from imperial fluid ounces to millilitres and therefore is what a PINT is. Yes, you may find some glasses are actually 570ml, but how does this affect the consumer? You are not short changing them in any way, shape or form.
All pint glasses that my employer buys are 568ml - and indeed, all the branded promo glasses from the individual lager/cider brewers are 568ml (and marked accordingly). Half pint glasses are marked 284ml. Unless you can find a reference to a reliable source on the use of 570ml glasses then I doubt your information.
How do you know they are 568 mL and not 570 mL? If they hold 570 mL that is what they are. Some manufacturers will label them as 568 mL if that is what the purchasers wants them to say, but they don't make a special glass that is 2 mL shy just to please Luddites. Also, you can not divide 568 into thirds and get a round number. When you divide 570 mL into thirds, you get 190 mL.
Please sign each submission, at least with "205.177.176.242 (talk) 13:28, 16 October 2013 (UTC)" (as an example - it's done by using four tilde's) as the conversation tends to flow into each other looking like someone is making a statement that he subsequently disagrees with. Also - using the term "Luddite" against someone effectively resolves the argument because in many cases the calling of names hides the underlying knowledge that the person issuing the insult is simply wanting people to believe his point of view, no matter how unfounded and ridiculous it may seem.
I need to add, though, that UK glasses do not have the metric equivalent etched into the glass since no change has been made to their manufacture and use over time. It's entirely possible that boxes containing such containers quotes a translation to 568ml however I do not have that information to hand. The challenge is to find a UK pint glass in a pub that has any form of metric announcement on it. It does not exist as millions of Brits would confirm this on a Friday night! 205.177.176.242 (talk) 13:29, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
(Pedantic correction over "manufacture and use over time" in that the UK Crown insignia has been replaced by an EU symbol - thus making the UK even MORE warming and supportive of being inside the EU <cough> ) 205.177.176.242 (talk) 13:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
You make a genuinely interesting point, however I wonder why there should be a CE (non-privatized) symbol and not a UK style 'permitted' stamp. The irony is that although it's possible to get a real pint in Europe the normal practice is to serve a 'pint' that could be anything from 450ml to 600ml. In Paris you can ask for a pint and get 500ml in certain places. The irony is that the very place that does not regulate a pint internally is clarifying a 'proper pint' as used in the UK and Ireland. Furthermore - if the CE accreditation is to qualify that a glass holds a real pint (ie that of 20 oz, not one that is a translation of 568ml despite it being exactly the same) then continental countries are - technically - only allowed to serve pints based on the UK type. In this case the pint has grown from being a 'UK / IRL only' specification to being a real measure across the whole of Europe. Wacky. 78.147.224.171 (talk) 21:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
In the real world manufacturers don't always follow a conversion especially if the conversion doesn't work out to a rounded number. They deliberately will round the value to male it easier to make and easier to market. 68.105.199.216 (talk) 17:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Strange as it may seem - pub pints are not defined via metric or converted etc. They are simply "1 pint glasses" - there's no reference to metric although you can use maths to get an equivalent 78.147.224.171 (talk) 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
The article needs to be updated to show that UK pint glasses are not 568 mL but instead made to a rounded 570 mL. You can google the internet and find countless examples of 570 mL pint glasses being advertized.
This may have something to do with pint glasses now being made in metric countries. Just like the Chinese producing wood products in 1220 mm x 2440 mm instead of 1219.2 x 2438.4, glass makers in metric countries will produce to a rounded metric value, usually to the nearest 5 or 10 mm or mL. Whereas anti-metric types harp on precise non-rounded metric equivalents, the people in metric countries have no problem producing the product to a rounded metric amount.
http://www.polysafe.com.au/570mL%20Pint%20Glass.html
http://beerpintglass.com/1-x-570ml-1-pint-tooheys-new-etched-glass-beer-stein/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.146.105 (talk) 13:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
An *official* pint glass in the UK is 20oz (fl). Due to the way the law works at a technical level the figure is NOT derived from the metric amount of 568 ml (or thereabouts). This is due to the fact that the unit was not altered by law via the UK or EU (obviously the UK pint may have been different many many years ago prior to any standardization). Of course it is well known that 1 pint is approximately 568ml but using that conversion as a pre-requisite of the UK measure is thinking about it the wrong way. The pint started off as just that - "A Pint". No-one recoded it to metric in order to translate it back into imperial. One hundred kilometers of road in France can also be measured out at 62 miles. Following the above 568/570 argument could be extended to say that - in fact - the piece of French road is 62 miles which translates to 100 km. Of course it is true to be able to use either unit and have the same degree of accuracy and have the same result but one must take into consideration the root of the usage and whether or not it has been changed for codification and thus leave one of the (equally valid) measurement name as "officially better so the other measure is just a brand-style name".
It is easy to find shops, blogs, etc to make a pint various sizes in an attempt to pretend that it is variable or even metric defined however an encyclopedia should not 'mature' using carefully selected websites as proof of something. Working in this fashion would lead to the existence of goblins and that magicians can actually disappear.
With this in mind I fully doubt that Ireland has changed it's own pint. Bear in mind that the UK has no say on how the Irish pub inventory works (except the North) so it is quite possible that they could change the unit size despite the UK not doing so. I find this extremely hard to believe though. Ireland is facing - and has been facing - an economic melt-down in recent years and the policy makers and politicians are doing whatever they can to steady their economy and try to get Ireland in to healthy growth again. I find it slightly disturbing that there would be motions being discussed in the Dial (government) to add 2ml to the size of their pint so that they could 'make it look all metric' due to it being semi-rounded to the most tiny degree.
Also - If a customer gets given a pint (UK or IRL) the chances are it will never be precisely 20 ounces (as other parts of this discussion has covered). So while there is an approximation element PLUS lack of interference regarding standardization PLUS no publicity for a 'switchover' to something that barely fills a teaspoon PLUS the total waste of money such a move would create I propose that the item mentioning a 570ml pint for Ireland be changed to either read 'equivalent to 568ml' or more aptly (and historically accurately) 20 fluid ounces, reflecting the history of the measure.
I will refrain -for the moment- from altering the particular item so that proof can be received from a source such as the Irish weights and measurement committee, a successful house motion, or a policy change derived from a 'Yes' vote in the house (Dail).
Using a search engine such a 'google' with a biased search string such as "The Irish pint is 570ml" and using the results from totally unofficial sources (shops, novelties, opinions from other forums, etc) should not be allowed for the purpose of harming the referential integrity of Wikipedia.
It is important that people should be able to trust Wikipedia more and more as the system matures and as such, the one person (i.p. consistent) - who has an issue with imperial measures and their existence - should either refrain from damaging Wikipedia based wholly upon an odd hobby of denigrating imperial or have his deliberate inaccuracies lead to a ban (and I hate bans). 205.177.176.242 (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
The curved pint glasses are not properly called "tulips". Tulip glasses are a wine/cognac-type glass usually used for serving Belgian ales, imperial stouts, and other very complex beers. Jamesg 03:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Added image - hope you like it. At least its free. Might take more later, but this was best of 50 or so. Justinc 01:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
In the article it says: "to serve a product in a container such as a pint glass that is badged as being another product." Should "badged" be changed so that American-English speakers can understand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.208.37.104 (talk) 06:17, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Last time I was in England, all of the bars 'cut' their pints (see my addition to the article). Anyone know if there's an actual term for this?
I was told that this 'cutting' was legislated. Is this a newer version of the law quoted in the article?
Wednesday, 2006-11-22 04:38 UTC
Where does that 95% come from. The weight and Measure (Beer and CIder) 1997 specifically states that "Any reference to a quantity of beer or cider in any provision made under section 22 above in relation to the sale of draught beer or cider shall be construed as a reference to that quantity disregarding the gas comprised in any foam on the beer or cider" which seems to me to say that a pint is a pint of liquid.
They are going to remove the crown from the glass and change the measurements to metric. [3] Buc 07:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
About the new CE etching in pint and half pint glasses, I read that that's not because these glasses are not manufactured in the UK but elsewhere, where presumably the crown doesn't mean anything therefore it must have the EU standard symbol. Anybody know whether this is true? --80.38.96.244 (talk) 13:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
I seem to remember when I worked in a pub for a while, the Nonic glass (straigh sided with a bulge near the top) was always referred to as a "Head-Keeper" - presumably the design is thought to preserve the head of the beer, though how this might work I don't know.
I also recall that the pub (a Bass house, for what it's worth) had a choice of Nonic and Tulip glasses, and that most patrons preferred lager to be served in Nonic glasses and Bitter/Cider in tulips.
If any of that isn't just the idiosyncracies of the Blacksmith's Arms in Huntington, then it might be worth mentioning...? Brickie 12:53, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Are these the two different styles of which you speak? While I was making these images, my bartending source (U.S., just like I am) simply called (#1) a "Pub glass" (which are apparently somewhat uncommon in the U.S., unless you go to a bar that tries to capture the European feel), and (#2) was a "Pint glass" or a "Mixing glass" (since they are commonly used for that purpose as well). It strikes me as odd that there are marking lines and such, or even that the bartenders are supposed to be so careful about measurements. Maybe I just have watched too many bad bartenders, but most seem to have little care as to how much precisely goes into the glass. I've certainly never seen anyone use a spatula or anything like that to shave the head off. What an amusing concept. I'm generalizing here, but I'm guessing that many more Americans would rather get drunk fast than observe the nuances of proper drinking, at least compared to many Europeans. (And generalizations like that are bound to get me in trouble with either somebody who resents that statement or resembles it. :-) Beyond that bit of ethnocentric information, I can't really shed any light on the subject. I'd be curious to know what people from elsewhere (even in the U.S. if different) call these two glasses.
I've included three other images I created of various pilsner glasses (on the wrong talk page, I suppose, but it's a related issue). #3 I was told is a "standard" pilsner glass, and #4 was an "hourglass" one used with wheat beers, and #5 was for use in more upscale restaurants and at banquet settings (such as in hotel ballroom events). I'd appreciate any comments on these three, too. Thanks! --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 14:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
My understanding about the bulge in a Nonic glass was that it is for strength when treated roughly - if you knock two pint glasses together, or knock one over then a conical glass will take the impact at the edge where it is already weak due to being an edge, yet a Nonic glass takes the impact on a curved section which is the strongest shape. Matt Beard (talk) 08:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this true:
"United Kingdom law requires certain steps be taken to ensure that a pint of beer is indeed a pint. Though this can be achieved using so-called "metered dispense" (calibrated pumps), the more normal solution is to use certified one-pint glasses. These have a crown stamp and number etched upon them." (my emphasis)
- Metered 'perfect pint' systems are used - for example - at rugby stadium bars where the throughput of humans is enormous, esp at half time. There are different types - I have seen a system that spins each pint glass and brims it, followed by a cap "MacDonalds style" 205.177.176.242 (talk) 14:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
- all the glasses I have ever seen have I think had the info printed on them in some way. If actually etched, the marks would be below the surface of the glass. If it is true you should probably change the link to Etching (glass). Johnbod 19:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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Can something be said about these? For example, Carling glasses definitely have them. I was told that they're there so that a good head forms, but don't know if that's true. 80.2.18.139 (talk) 00:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is there an EU directive pertaining to certification of an imperial measurement? --Random832 (contribs) 03:32, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
It can be considered a metric measure if the mark is actually calibrated to 570 mL. Eire does not recognise the British 568 mL definition of a pint, and legally declares the pint to be 570 mL. If the pint mark is meant to be a trade name for 570 ml, then everyone is happy. 68.105.199.216 (talk) 17:06, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Does anyone know what these numbers are? They seem pretty random. I would at one time have guessed they were the inspection ofice stamp or something but in the same pub you can find lots of different numbers. SimonTrew (talk) 16:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Google "uk pint mark numbers meaning" and you'll find the pint number number relates to the UK Weights and Measures Authority allowed to issue the stamp, either gov office or manufacturer. Seems like I found a math prof in CO that had a page about it. I just found this page [7]. That page says 1370 is Derbyshire, 2043 is glass manufacturer Cristallerie D'Arques. For CE marked with somethng like "M08" I think M=Measure and 08=2008 i.e. the year.
Mention of badged/branded glasses is is now split across three sections:
In none of them is it excessively wordy, nor contradictory. I wonder however if we should gather them up into a little individual section and then just call them "branded" from then on? Also some glasses are especially moulded/cast with the brand logo prominent (or recessed). I have a few Stella glasses like this. I am not sure how well this would come out in a photo, without careful lighting. SimonTrew (talk) 16:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I would like to see a single section documenting possible measurement marks seen on beer glasses. Older UK is pretty easy with the Crown mark on Pints and halfs, explaining the numbers could be done. I think the EU currently does all the glasses with a CE mark, but I am not sure. I think German glasses of the past had a mark from the glass manufacturer. I have them with VEBA, SAHM, RASTAL. Irish have the NSAI marks. Polish beer Zywiec glasses have a mark that states "Zywiec" next to it so the beer maker is certifying? I suppose this doesn't belong under Pint as many are parts of liter measure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.245.225.131 (talk) 14:08, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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There are an another shape for glasses usually associated to Ireland. These glasses are bulged.
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How will the markings be done post-Brexit? Obviously not CE, will we see a return to the crown? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
It seems that this part should be updated ? 2A01:CB00:840E:2D00:E8C8:A482:9F82:90E6 (talk) 12:45, 30 July 2023 (UTC)