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I swear, Wikipedia should make users take a simple spelling test before they're allowed to edit pages. Capitalize proper nouns, people's names. Learn the difference between past and present tense and proofread your edit before you submit it. Simple things could do wonders for these kinds of issues in articles. By the way, if you're not sure about something, don't mess with it. Share your views on here and discuss it.ShihoMiyano (talk) 09:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
The first name of the general was erratically written; Sun-Shin appears close to his original name.
I think we need to make a simple standard way to transliterate korean into english. The system used currently is confusing and unnecessary. The "oo" sound, for example, needs to be agreed on as to whether it's written as "oo" or "u" and the "uh" sound as "eo" or (if "oo" is written as "oo"), "u".ShihoMiyano (talk) 07:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Apart from being a naval and engineering genius,i also think he was a great miltary leader.He also deserves the credit for building one of the first ever mordern and intergrated ships. the Turtle Ship is a good example of intergrated system,as it had all the things required of a ship.--Jayanthv86 17:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Seeing that he's such an naval battle genius, it's unfortunate that this article contains almost nothing about his tactics -- the turtle ships are obviously only one aspect of his innovations. Will someone be up to writing about this? Uly 22:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I am not upseting somebody, but there is some rumors about the "suicide". He really was a military geneous but I read a book that the "pan ok sun" where generel gives decree to the soldiers is protected with all sort of armors. You wouldn't expect nothing on the boat that protacts him from bullets,no! they had some kind of bullet proof shield.There for it may be the suicide.--kangk
The Turtle Ship was definitely the first ironclad ship. Japan never had ironclad atakebune. Toyotomi Hideyoshi just requested for ironclad warships during the war. The Turtle Ship was the first ironclad in the world. Don't listen to any bogus that you read in books that the "Merrimack and the Monitor" were the first ironclad ships in the war.
I also just read that someone wrote that Admiral Yi was not the reason why Japan retreated. That is not true!!!! Admiral Yi was the biggest reason why Japan retreated. His victories and the number of ships and soldiers Japan lost were too much for them. Also, Japan retreated because their supply lines were being destroyed frequently. Please do not discredit Admiral Yi because he is an extremely venerated man to Koreans.
Good friend100 20:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Is Gŏbuksŏn (거북선) really the first ironclad warship?
--Nanshu
Unlike the Korean turtle ship, the Japanese ship couldn't navigate in deep waters... Oct. 2005
Yi Sunsin wasn't the primary reason of Japan's retreat. It is because Toyotomi Hideyoshi died.--Nanshu 02:42 May 11, 2003 (UTC)
Uh-huh... sigh.... again, Japanese editors have started their discrediting of Korea in every way possible... Leonhart
In reply to Nanshu, the boats you are referring to were not warships but floating forts and never were used in the open sea, unlike the Gŏbuksŏn, which I know makes you want to cry but actually did screw the Japanese badly. Haverton
Also in reply to Nanshu, there are many evidences that Gŏbuksŏn wasn't an Yi Soonshin innovation, but made in earlier period, only fully utilized by Yi Soonshin.
I find Yi Sun-Sin in sources also as Lee Sun-Sin. Is this another style of transliteration or something else ? Sorry for my english..
Whoever said that Japan retreated because Hideyoshi died is not true. It is because of Admiral Yi. Admiral Yi's efforts to kill the Japanese forced them to retreat. If you didn't know, Japanese officials kept Hideoyoshi's death a secret to keep Japanese moral from dropping. Japanese foot soldiers finally learned of Hideoyoshi's death in 9 months after he died.
To answer Uly...Yes the invasion was Hideyoshi's idea, but the Japanese idea of trying to invade Korea has been their custom ever since Koreans made the regretful mistake of sailing to Japan and teaching them to become smart in the 1100s. If you didn't know, there are countless countless number of times Japanese pirates that have attacked coastal towns and killed many Koreans. Japanese imperialism has been in their blood for a long time. Look at today. Japan claims the Liancourt Rocks as Japanese territory when they do not have strong claims. Liancourt Rocks are really Korean. Japan is in a dispute with China over a small islet (cant remember), and they are not in friendly terms with Russia about the Kuril Islands. Japanese imperilism still runs today in some Japanese people. Good friend100 02:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I have taken out the section of Yi Sun-Sin in movies out as it is too contemporary, not academically worthy, and is not providing useful information. It just takes space. Furthermore, the movie in question didn't do well in the box office and the reviews were mixed.---WangKon936 (2005.10.17)
There have been a number of unexplained edits made to this and related articles by User:Kkkiii (contributions). In particular I point to this edit, which left the article to suggest that Yi Sun-sin died three days before he was mortally wounded. I'm not familiar with this subject myself but the user seems to have a history of these sort of edits so I would ask those with more knowledge here to keep an eye on the article. Flowerparty talk 13:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
It is true that Hideyoshi had died, but the Japanese forces were on the verge of retreating anyway. They could not march upper anyway because their supply lines were cut by admiral Lee. Of course, Hideyoshi's death has prompted the retreat but already Japan was losing forces because of Lee Soon Shin's strategies. In the final phase of the war, Amiral Lee cut off enemy supply lines, ravaged the Japanese fleet of 333 with only 13(some say its 12 but historical evidence proves it to be 13. Also admiral Lee sunk 31 or so Japanese battleships and damaged about 100 Japanese battleships beyond repair), controlled the ocean, and practically instilled great fear among the Japanese invaders. This is really unbelievable. Personally I think this battle of Myung-ryang is greater than the famous battle of Hansan. I mean, how can 333 ships fail to defeat only 13 and be completely defeated? It is doubtless that admiral Lee achieved absolutely unbelievable victories. Also, ss any person who studied warfare will know, losing control of the ocean and the supply lines is critical. Also, I don't think it is good to boast about not retreating because what ruthless acts the Japanese commited upon Chosun civilians is just simply too horrifying even to describe. I mean, they should be ashmamed of making war and butchering so many innocent children and civilians.
Until we have some solid references for Yi Sun-sin's exact dates of birth and death, let's keep them out of the article. None of the sources I have at hand provide exact dates, although I suspect that if I had better references they would. There is also the small problem of lunar vs. solar dates, which requires some care. We're better off leaving this information out entirely than allowing the article to look like a joke. It's already far too much like a joke. -- Visviva 16:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I wrote that Admiral Yi was the deity of the Japanese Imperial Navy. Is something wrong with that? I know that Wikipedia's older version stated that.
-Wikimachine-
-Wikimachine
No, the correct way is for you to provide a solid source that IJN deified Yi, not just some admiral's comment on Yi's performance and character. If I said I admire (not deifying, just admiring) Caesar, does he become a deity for koreans since i'm korean? Likewise, Togo's comment on Yi is not an evidence of IJN's deification of Yi. In order for Yi to be deity for IJN, they necessarily have to worship him in some sort of way, at least the way koreans do the je-sa. I am not aware of such an event occuring among IJN, and considering how low Japanese thought of koreans during the early 20th century, I strongly doubt that it could've ever happened. Show me any evidence that you came across that made you believe that IJN deified Yi. Burden of proof lies with you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.148.10.43 (talk) 20:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
Need citations. Master 03:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, since nobody has evidences that actually prove the fact that Admiral Yi was not the deity of the Imperial Japanese Navy, I'll go on and edit it (as you can all see, I posted my sites somewhere above). -Wikimachine
In addition, I don't care whether Togo said it or not, because it has nothing to do with the greatness of Admiral Yi. Thus, I object to adding Togo's remark in the article. -- SizzleYou
Really? I thought so too that he was a deity before 1900s. Could you show me the evidence please? Because without it, the fact that he was the Japanese navy deity would be forgotten.
Plus, remember what one of the Wikipedians said? He said that he visited Admiral Yi's shrine before going to battle with the Russians. Why in the world would the Japanese have a shrine just for Admiral Yi if he wasn't a deity over the navy? (Wikimachine 13:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC))
Err. This discussion seems kind of hopeless. What's up with nobody signing their comments? Anyway. Firstly, in reply to yoursetruly's comment, the IJN was created AFTER the Meiji restoration, so to say that Yi was abandoned as a deity after the restoration is completely illogical. Secondly, there is no such thing as "IJN's official deities", period. IJN worshipped the same deities with the states -- the shinto gods, the emperor, and so on. Well known historical figures, Yi possibly among them, may be honored and their names invoked in rituals, but it's a long stretch to call them deities. Nevertheless, Yi is likely well-revered among the Japanese naval officers, as can be expected of anyone studying naval strategy or history in the region, and I will bet that Tago is not the exception in regarding Yi so highly. Still, no matter what Togo thinks, he does NOT make Yi a deity. Lastly, this is admittedly just my conjecture, but I find it a bit hard to believe that there is an Admiral Yi's shrine in Japan. Japanese shrines dedicated on historical personage are rare to begin with, much less someone who's not only foreign but also an enemy, who isn't even deified in Korea. I think it's much more likely that he was simply one of the many honored in a certain shrine that Togo visited. I'm sure if an Admiral Yi's shrine truely existed, all the Koreans will know everything about it. Uly 23:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, puuulleeeeeeeze stop going over board with Yi. He was a great admiral, character, and whole she-bang. But, don't try to put him where he doesn't belong as if Yi's better than every other hero/heroine that the world has ever seen because no one is. That's where admiration stops and nationalism starts. it doesn't belong here. How would you feel if Japanese said korean army worships some japanese general? stop stirring up the mud with heresy because it won't make koreans BSDs. I couldn't agree more with Uly here. -wikitorian
The Koreans have gone too far with their fabrication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Golden Eagle IV (talk • contribs) 18:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I’m not attached to any particular romanization, but the naming should at least be consistent. Reading an article about Yi/Lee Soon/Sun[-][ ]Sin/sin/Shin/shin is confusing. So if you change his transliteration, please change it throughout the article. Thanks.
crism 22:14, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Google gives “about 32,900 hits” for yi sun( /-)shin, 14,500 for yi sun( /-)sin, 2,470 for yi sunshin, only 529 for yi sunsin and only 109 for i sunsin, each excluding the word halley to reduce the number of Wikipedia clones. While I think this page should be moved away from Yi Sunshin, it would be great if somebody established which is “the spelling most frequently encountered in English” among the eight spellings that together account for the 32,900 and the 14,500 results, namely Yi Sun Shin, Yi Sun-Shin, Yi Sun-shin, Yi Sun shin and the same without h. Have fun.—19:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
(Wikimachine 16:59, 12 February 2006 (UTC))
Good friend100 22:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
In the article why is he mentioned as an admiral when he was actually a General? His naval command success wasn't even due to him being an admiral but a general knowing the geography and strategy that could be employed.
I've removed the passage in the intro that goes something like "His Battle of Hansando is one of the top four ranked battles in naval history." There had been a citation needed tag there hanging for weeks, and no one seem to be interested in providing the citation. But I'd argue that even if there is a source cited, this kind of statement is obviously subjective by nature and should not be refered as a fact. And anyway it wouldn't belong in the intro anyway. If whoever really want it to stay, put it in the the section about the battle of Hansando, along the line of "so and so has ranked it among the top four battles in naval history." Uly 14:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
It's fact, but more like "The four major victories of Imjin war". It was some joseon king that decreed four korean victories to be named and made it official. so, it's ok to put in here, but citation is needed. -w
I found the 'historical drama' content of the biography, to be severly lacking in basic english grammar skills. So I've tried to edit it out the best I can, while keeping the same information that the original author has intended.
Boulharouz the Moroccan.
3 to a stern, 6 to a side, and 2 at the bow?
ridiculous. it was 2 to the stern, 2 to the bow, and 11 to each side.
i've posted the evidence. (Wikimachine 02:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC))
it's actually 10 to a side. (Wikimachine 01:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC))
It's instereting to find that in this article there is no mention of China and Chinese navy. Chinese navy fought a lots with Japanese along with Korean navy. For example, in the battle on Nov. 19, 1598, Chinese navy sent out a fleet of 450 battleships, larger than Admiral Yi's fleet. The commander in chief of the China-Korea fleet is Chinese Admiral Chen Lin instead of Admiral Yi. And another Chinese Admiral Deng died too during this battle. But if you read this article, you will find that there is no contribution of Chinese at all!
Hello. I'm the guy that wrote about "ironclad", further in this discussion. The Chinese were completely indecisive, only to score victory in northern Korea, just because Konishi's troops were having a really bad day. their supply got wrecked, by our hero Yi sun Shin. Also, to remark other chinese embarrassments, an entire division, led by li yuezong,was repelled by the Japanese. another thing is the Chinese made more of a mess than the Japanese did. All they did was screw around, emptying the korean treasury, for wine and prostitutes. The Korean-Chinese allied fleet was in fact under the command of Admiral Yi Sun Shin, because he was the original mind that planned the battles ahead. Chen Lin thought he was in charge, he could have been right. To top it all, The chinese just got in the way.
@ Ironclad... Koreans and Korean Americans often overlook the numerous times that Chinese have come to the rescue when the Japanese attacked throughout history. Such 21st Century Korean nationalism overlooks the extent of Chinese influence in Korean history. It is impossible to know Korean history without reading Korean history books, which were written in Chinese for centuries, up to the 20th Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanja). Given that Wikipedia is open-source, we often overlook the truth and bottom line in Asian history; and, that bottom line is that China was always the Big Brother of Korea. Koreans often attempt to say that they were completely a isolated race and culture from China. But, China's size in population and military strength was always a last resort when Korea could not fight off the Japanese. Much of the Korean language, family values, work ethic stems directly from the Confucian teachings and principles. Korea would have been taken over by the Japanese much earlier in history if the Chinese were not an active part of defending the mainland.
Can you give me some reference? I mean, the original record or history book about the role of China in the war and the conditions of navy and land forces of the three country. I'm interested in them.
It's better to add some add more references including history books by Chinese and Japanese, especially some english history literatures from the forth country. It seems the role of China was abased. 'The chinese just got in the way.'? I can not agree with this. At least, land forces of China equpped with lots of firearms played an very important role.
Yeah, but not let's not write a special section just for the chinese roles. (Wikimachine 01:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC))
Just like in the Turtle Ship article, this is stained with commercial ads. I mean, who cares about the modern depiction of this prominent historical figure in a movie called Chungoon and display the picture?
Let's try to be professional. Look at Japanese historical figure- articles.
They are not stained with games and movies. They pertain to the historical figures themselves.
Anyone interested in this cleanup ought to read what I posted on the discussion for the Turtle Ship article.
Thanks? Don't you all agree? (Wikimachine 22:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC))
=> Agreed. Removed links to commercial sites and outer links to movies & TV dramas, as it is quite "un-encyclopedic". It's quite unnecessary to list every single depiction in popular culture of a historical figure. Nuyos (talk) 08:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Look man stop trying to diss Yi Soon Shin off and sorry if im wrong but his name wasn't Yi Sun Shin or Lee Soon Shin IT WAS YI SOON SHIN. Oh yeah the Japanese retreated cause Hideyoshi died? PUH-LEASE! They fell back because Yi Soon Shin beat them all. You really should read history guys... Wakizaka,Dodo,Kato, and Konishi and the other generals got beat by Yi Soon Shin even if he had 12 ships left after Won Kyun's defeat! Wow one death in 'the "great" Japan caused the Japanese forces to retreat? WOW you guys are just pathetic trying to credit the Japanese and diss off Korea's most famous general in history. Cmon guys admit it that the Japanese forces retreated because Yi Soon Shin beat the Japanese badly.Then look again in 1903-1945, in almost 10 biographies about the annexation of Korea by the Japanese the authors discredit Syngman Rhee? Are they holding a grudge against Koreans? Ok i admit that Some Japanese generals WANTED to retreat because they thought since their Takio died they should go back. But then again there are those "great" japanese generals who wanted to kill Yi Soon Shin and failed for 6 years. So i urge you to not discredit Korea or its famous hero again or i may have to discuss this again..-KoreanHistorist
Good friend100 22:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
although the japanese discredit us a whole whole lot, it is in fact true that the guys pulled back upon the death of mister bald guy. nobody really wanted to have that stupid war, except for him. Big shot dies= Adios!! -odst
Look WikkiMachine or w/e. The Chinese or Ming barely did anything except just sit there in Chosun and get grains from the poor farmers. And WHAT THE HECK 450 BATTLESHIPS?! Those are lies Ming sent only maybe between 50-100 ships but 450? LOL. Here we go again Chinese getting credit because China is larger than Korea and Japanese getting all the credit because...what, because they have "cool" samurais? WikkiMachine i strongly disagree that China didnt even help Chosun at all. And all they did was conspire with the Japanese so they can get gold. Go watch Yi Soon Shin on WYBE. Theres a drama about "The Seven Year War" and what i see is lazy Ming officers doing nothing and chase Chosunese women. All Ming did was to discredit Yi Soon Shin AND conspire with the Japanese and get in the way of Chosun. I say again WikkiMachine i strongly disagree AND wherever you get these stories i strongly suggest that you look somewhere else. -KoreanHistorist
OMG are you actually citing a friggin MOVIE as reference. Now I'm not predisposed against any side (I'm half Chinese btw, getting that out of the way) but I want to see some proper and at least more credible reference apart from a movie that is obviously SUBJECTIVE. Whodhellknew 02:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
His references come from a movie but it is true that China was just as bad as the Japanese. Yes, they did help Korea defeat the Japanese but Chinese soldiers raped, looted, and pillaged Korean villages as well. That is a true fact, it is just that the Japanese did it on a larger scale and are more shameful for that. Good friend100 15:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Can you give me some reference? I mean, the original record or history book about the role of China in the war and the conditions of navy forces of the three country. I'm interested in them.
It's better to add some add more references including history book by Chinese and Japanese, especially some english history literatures from the forth country. It seems the role of China was abased.
fine. i guess the chinese helped out by logistical means, but despite a considerable amount of firearms, the chinese still screwed around. i know that korean books have this info, and im pretty sure the japanese have it too. if the ming court actually sent a real general, the war would have been over in months. the chinese did not take this issue seriously.
Well in 1592-1598 the Japanese burned down houses and killed men with muskets and butchered children pointlessly, i should know because iam a korean. Also the Japanese kidnapped the women and... well... you know... So this went on for months and civilians were starved and used as target practices with their muskets AND the Japanese captured Potters that made Dawan (which was beatufiul pottery and vases that were worth very much) then shipped them back to Japan only to be treated like slaves and sometimes humble nobles. Also on the battlefield the Japanese were very VERY cheap with their muskets shooting Chosunese soldiers when they were charging towards them AND they threw their swords like spears and killed over 50 Chosunese officers and presumed dead or missing over 1 million soldiers and volunteers. Also when the Chosunese civilians or soldiers were dead, the Japanese cut off their ears or heads and sent them back to the Taiko who was the ruler of Japan called Hideyoshi. Disgusting piles of headless bodies that included children, men and women... THEN Yi Soon Shin got rid of them (thank god), but sadly he was shot by a bullet in his left part of chest and died gasping his last words and last orders... THEN on 1910-1945 The Japanese attacked AGAIN this time they beat Russia and China so they declared Korea a independent country THEN took it over and annexed it. The Japanese tried to get rid of the Korean culture and forbid them to use their language AND never ever to disobey the Japanese even if the order was ridiculous. After months of this rebellions sprang up with guerellias of Korean people fighting to get rid of the dirty Japanese. Unfortunately the rebellions were hopeless... Before the annexation in 1903 Koreans immigrated to Hawaii to work on sugar plantations because a church pastor said so. Then the immigrations stopped because of Japanese rule. So after a while the Koreans sprang up and cried "대한민국만세!!" which meant Victory with Korea!!! At first the Japanese were shocked because the Koreans were waving "illegal" korean flags and insulting the Japanese and holding up signs. So when the Japanese got over the shock, they gunned down the first line of the protestors and moved on to the next. Then years later they began to presecute pastors, and students and teachers and sometimes executed them or forced them into interrogation to "confess" something. The interrogtain methods were brutal. They had sharp bamboo sticks which went under the nails into the skin and hung them upside down and whipped them and did other brutal methods of 72 ways. This was worse than Laos or Cambodia when the officals tortured the innocent. Then Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and one of my friends who hates Japanese said "Italic text my grandmother was asleep on Sunday with other people sleeping too! AND my grandmother was almost killed too!" Bold text This was because Pearl Harbor was in Hawaii. I seriously wonder why Alot of people doesnt hate Japan and Korean hates Japan and China too because they made Korean a prosperous country into a war ravaged country.-Korean Historist
Zonath if you think I was spamming and not contributing then look at my paragraphs which i typed. Also i spelled 대한미국 right and if Im wrong or right this page is called the 'discussion' page where were contribute AND discuss. Also Yi Soon Shin wrote in his diary of the Chosunese civilians being mistreated by the Japanese and the Ming not helping out at all so i MUST be contributing things that Yi Soon Shin saw or wrote. -KoreanHistorist
Again i disagree and agree with you. if you think historical "fictions" are not reliable then tell me if all they say on the 'History' channel about the Holocraust or the wars or inventions are all lies and i agree with you that i should contribute things more directly to the point. Even so sometimes t.v. can't be a reliable source even the internet can be a unreliable source like google and anyone can put anything on there. So it is my point to 'discuss' these things and correct them. Yes and I agree that LOL or OMG wasn't written in Yi Soon Shin's diary. But it is meant to capture attention.If you disagree with my opinion do as you wish because I can't stop you from typing in here since this is a 'discussing' page and a contributing page.And yes i will agree to type things more 'directly' to the point, but sometimes the past is connected to the present. -KoreanHistorist
Good friend100 22:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Strongly support. (Wikimachine 22:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC))
I agree with Good Friend100. -KoreanHistorist
rather than headless bodies, more like noseless bodies, man. i guess the japanese were pretty lazy. _odst
I have read this part of the discussion and it amazes me that a Korean advocate incorrectly spelt his/her own country wrong in Korean TWICE. But we shouldnt be criticising the correctness of grammar or spelling too much as substance prevails over form in these types of discussion. As to the substance, I fully agree with KoreanHistorist in all respects but agree with GoodFriend and Zonath that KoreanHistorist should have perhaps wrote some of the content in other forums as the relevance does seem a bit short. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gil1984 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Um, I don't know how we will edit this if a compromise is settled, but WHAT IS YI??? Thats a totally chinese name. There is no such name in Korean. Why can't we change the names to "Ii" or Lee??? This is very disturbing, and I'm not tolerating the fact that Ii Sun shin is spelled with a chinese character as his surname. Somebody help me work on it or start a poll. Oyo321 21:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Yi is a Korean name while "Li" is the Chinese euqivalent. Yi is fine, but Yi does sound too Chinese and may sound as a Chinese person to a foreigner (which Admiral Yi is not). A poll might be worth it. Good friend100 00:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I didn't like Lee nor Yi. It's Eeeee.
Wow.... Oyo you are so dumb. If you look up Korean last names on Google it will say that Yi is a KOREAN last name.... in fact, there are about 6.8 million Koreans with that last name. So please next time you bring up an issue, do your research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.144.140 (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
The paragraphs below were removed because they don't conform to Wikipedia policies. Namely, they are not neutral (WP:NPOV), they are not verifiable (WP:V), and they seem to contain original research (WP:NOR). Take, for example, the lead to the second paragraph: "The reason all of Admiral Yi's victories were so spectacular was that he had no choice but to engage his enemies at only the most advantageous time and place." This whole sentence is complete speculation, and would be almost impossible to verify. Much of the three paragraphs seem to follow the same pattern. I'm not entirely sure there's anything worth saving in the paragraphs below that isn't already stated in the article, but if anyone's willing to try, be my guest.
--Zonath 16:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Cashie 13:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
It's poorly worded and embarrassingly unnecessary.
Togo Heihachiro? As in General Togo of Japan during WWII? I have never heard of Heihachiro, nonetheless compared to Admiral Yi. His article on Wikipedia doesn't even mention Admiral Yi. Heihachiro's place seems to be written in to show how "tactical Japanese commanders can be". Its inappropiate, especially for an admiral who killed Japanese soldiers, to be compared by a Japanese commander.
Even with a source, I believe that the comparison is not widely known and Nelson's comparison is the best, since both their strategic capabilities and similiar death are good reasons. I don't think that Heihachiro has a strong comparison or likeness to Admiral Yi other than they were both skilled at strategy. I deleted Heihachiro from the first paragraph because of hte above reasons. Good friend100 17:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
After an extensive period of research, I have determined The turtle ship is in fact, the first ironclad warship in world history. There is no tangible record in any other historical accounts, besides in the "Nanjungilgi" , "seonjo sillok", and other books I have yet to read. The Earliest dated Ironclad vessel dates 1592, which is the legendary turtle ship, constructed during the joseon regime. The ridiculous nonsense of an ironclad O atake-bune, is a false claim. The "Nihon maru", the only O-atake bune at that time, built by warlord guki Yoshitaka as a gift to hideyoshi, was armed with an Iron head to ram into enemy vessels, but that relating to an ironclad plating is highly Irrelevant. There was a certain vessel dating 1608 feudal Japan, which was an encased refit of the "kobaya" , that probably gave rise to the Japanese claim that they had created an ironclad vessel before the Koreans did.
As much of the world regards the C.S.S Virginia and the U.S.S Monitor as the first ironclad vessels, most do know in fact, they were actually wooden frigates plated with iron only on the TOP. Should those vessels be regarded as Ironclads The geobuksun, or "turtle-ship", deserves the title as an Ironclad vessel.
If there is any error in my part, please give me some correspondence titled EDWARD.
It's free image now, nontheless it was deleted. the painter died in 2005. Anyone knows how to bring the image back? Ginnre 16:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I just love how you delete images. Good friend100 18:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thats nice. Good friend100 21:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I was looking around in a Korean bookstore the other day , and I saw this book about the turtle ship. It was this elaborate black book with a picture of an oversized turtleship. My computer does not have Korean text, so..
geobukson sinhwa easo yeoksaro by kim jung jin and nam kyung wan
Thanks for your recommendation. Is it in a Korean book store? (Wikimachine 15:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC))
yup, but i saw an english review of it. i forgot which website, so just look for a really ugly looking TURTLE SHIP on google images. ODST
I've noticed that there's no Wikipedia entry for Yi Sun-sin's friend, Minister Yu Seong-ryong. Can someone start a stub at least?
hes not important. screw that politician.
This anonymous user should apologize. (Wikimachine 16:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC))
dude, who deleted my apology? Yu sung ryong was great. I was just in a trance went I added the rude comment.Odst 02:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
what happened to the picture of Admiral Yi? Good friend100 02:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Recently, while browsing through the Chosun Ilbo, I discovered an article with significant proof implying that King Sunjo, after hearing of Admiral Ii's death, supposedly did not show any reaction whatsoever. According to the books of government recorders, King Sunjo did not seem to care about Admiral Ii Sun Shin untimely death. This is reinforced by his horrible distrust and torture of Admiral Ii. There should be an article on it, and I have inserted it. It is important for us to know that Korean governments in history have always had some loser conspiring and hating those who have accomplished so much. Factional fighting continues today. Oyo321 16:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I am also noting more and more references to the "Immortal Ii Sun Shin" drama. It is NOT an asset or resource to true history. There are MAJOR FLAWS in the drama, and it proves nothing, except the commercial value and the satisfaction of the audience, neither of which was fully achieved. Immortal Ii Sun Shin holds no true facts, and I will delete pathetic references to it immediately.
IMO, the drama was a typical failed Korean drama-dragged out and long, poor graphics, and terrible flow and historical truth. It was very dramatized, unable to achieve any great recognition. Oyo321 16:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree in some parts. Some of the battles were re-enacted properly, though the locations were not entirely correct. It makes the japanese better than they actualy were. the japanese didnt wear shoes, they were barefooted. The Japanese guys all had similar purposes and looks, but actually the halberdiers,spearmen, archers, and swordsmen did not get their exact looks. The officer's armors were that of an arquebusier, and arquebuses were nonexistent in the series. The guys from the drama wore costumes only vaguely similar to musketeers.
Its either Yi or Lee. Li is Chinese. Admiral Yi is not Chinese. He is Korean. Good friend100 01:33, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Togo Heihachiro respected Yi Sunshin. This rumor was made in around 1960. Please look to understand this folklore. [3] --ShinjukuXYZ 07:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
who cares about some togo respecting yi sunshin? thats just great. but who cares? it's not like some of the japanese are racists or anything......Odst 18:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
That is not true, good friend. togo was impossibly outnumbered by the russians and outgunned. his victory was not master stratagem, but he must be credited. Togo was undoubtedly a brilliant admiral. (hard to admit for us, because we're korean) Odst 18:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
The current link (http://www.koreanhero.net/en/NationalHeroOfKorea.htm) posted by anonymous user 218.235.213.190 looks pretty credible as a source, but if someone could post something that calls the quote from Togo into question I would be happy to write it up in a more balanced way. Geeman 21:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I was wrong about the outnumbered part, but the Russians had superior technology. But then togo had the sheer numbers, so he won. Odst 00:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
No way. You need to read history before you touch Wikipedia. Russians had more big guns and more heavily armoured battleships. Japanese had more speedy vessels. Russians used aormour piercing rounds but Japanese used shrapnels with high-explosive that produce large amount of heat. Russians were tired by long journey from northern Europe and Japanese wasn't. And above of all, Japanese far out-trained Russians so Russians couldn't hit their opponents. --Ypacaraí 02:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Look again. (I apologize in advance for that.) Thats almost exactly what I wrote. The Russos had the big bulky ships ( dreadnoughts) and the Japanese had fireboats... Odst 01:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit dismayed by the dismissive attitude towards Togo and the Battle of Tsushima Straits: it was a history-making event, the first time since Industrial Revolution began that a non-White people defeated a European power in a clean-cut battle using European technology (and the last battle of the battleship age that one fleet completely annihilated the other.) Let's give credit where it is due.
I've heard the story about Togo and yi Sunshin in various incarnations before--but almost all sources have been Korean and looked a bit propagandistic, though. Nevertheless, the circumstances are there: the Combined Fleet was anchored at Masan, not too far from Hansan Island, before the Battle of Tsushima. Togo would have had opportunities to visit Admiral Yi's shrine before the battle--as some of the accounts allege. Since Togo was a keen student of Japanese naval history--including the mauling it suffered at the hands of Admiral Yi's fleets--it certainly would have been plausible for him to at least make a visit. H27kim 04:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
When he was shot did he ask his son or cousin to take his armour? since were it talks about the invasion of japan at the time it says his cousin did but here it says his son did.
Its Yi Sun-sin
we need to keep this article consistent with all the other articles on Korean people. Good friend100 00:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I history-merged from Yi Sun-sin as asked. Anthony Appleyard 21:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Uh great article guys. I know you all love the guy and all and he was a genius and all. I'm not trying to descredit him, but since this is Wikipedia do you guys mind providing some sources? We need a lot more. By the way why is his death not mentioned in the article proper but only in the preface/summary?ParallelPain 09:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
There it says that Yi Soon-shin's sword lies in a museum with a picture, but it's hard to believe considering forums don't make convincing references. And I remember a rumor about his sword being really long, possibly 5-6 feet.[4] ShihoMiyano (talk) 21:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
I added another section explaining Admiral Yi's death and the final battle at Noryang Straits because I thought that it should be known why Admiral Yi went into that battle and, of course, how he died. Also to let others know that his 13 ships had grown to 82. There might be things that could be worded better, so if you can, word it better.
Also, I've been correcting grammar, spelling, and other inconsistencies in the article as well. ShihoMiyano (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Could we decide on using either Joseon or Korea in the article? I think it'd be better to use Joseon in terms of accuracy. ShihoMiyano (talk) 00:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
In this article, Yi Sun-sin#Early life states that Yi's father's name is Yi Jeong.
In contrast, Yi Sun-sin#Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598)#The Final Battle and Admiral Yi's death states that the name of Yi's father is Yi Chong.
Which one is the correct one?
Personally, the first one, Yi Jeong, should be correct one, because in the article, Yi Chong, states that he was born in 1541, just 4 years older that Yi Sunsin.
Nevertheless, I don't know what I guess is right or not.
--Brandy Frisky (talk) 15:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
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Ho, I have no idea about that, since I don't know much about Korea's history. Nevertheless, I guess, if we know how to arrange armed forces of Joseon or organisation structure, that maybe useful. For example, how Thai government arranged government structure, was that to pass an order from big cities to small nearby cities. Say, big cities controlled its nearby small cities. Anyway, regardless, how big the city, a governer controlled, his title was just a governer of that city. (but his still had his noble title to state his rank.) Hopefully, this may help you. --Brandy Frisky (talk) 18:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
I have added a sentence at the end of the section mentioning the Liancourt Rocks dispute mentioning the fact that this dispute is ongoing and added a link to the dispute page. I refrained from revising the sentence which caused me to make the revision. If someone with a more experience in Wikipedia politics and wording would like to merge the two sentences into a single NPOV sentence it would be greatly appreciated. Mamechishiki (talk) 04:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I do believe that's very necessary. A huge long article like this with a total of 11 citations (mostly from two sources). That doesn't speak very much for the article's credibility. I would flag it but I don't know how :( ParallelPain (talk) 20:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Most of the information is common-knowledge stuff that a few Google searches would tell you. The problems lies in the fact that not many people like doing citation work. I suppose I could learn how to do it, but then I'd have to learn. D: ShihoMiyano (talk) 20:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Someone please set up archiving for this discussion page, it is way too long, and a lot of discussions ceased years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Be gottlieb (talk • contribs) 14:53, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
I know this has been mentioned a few times indirectly, but I'm not sure if you can change the title, but that would be great, because technically his name is Yi Sun-Shin not sin. I don't know who made it Sin, but that is wrong. Also, it would be great to change it as many times as possible throughout the article. Yisoonshin12 (talk) 03:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)Yisoonshin12
I am a Korean for clarification. I usually don't do any wiki editing(this is my first time), but Admiral Yi my most admired figure. And upon reading this article, I found how one-sided the article is.
If you happen to come across the initial version of this article written before 2005, it does make you puke over the nationalistic views lurking all over it. At least current version is more fair than the first one.
Anyway, just few points... Please do NOT edit this article if you have no freaking clue of what you are talking about! All you do by over-praising Yi is disgracing his name!
1. 戰方急 愼勿言我死 Yi's last will.
How the hell is is interpreted as "We are about to win the war -- wear my armor and keep beating the war drums. Do not announce my death."?
Who was this smart idiot that came up with his own version of the admiral's will?
It is translated as, "the battle is at its height. do not announce my death.(direct translation: the battle is pressing. be cautious not to announce my death)"
Beat the drum? wear my armor? OTL don't make me laugh.
"今臣戰船尙有十二 出死力拒戰則猶可爲也, 戰船雖寡 微臣不死則不敢侮我矣."
'...I still own thirteen ships, therefore, as long as I am alive, the enemy shall never be safe in the Western Sea'
Hello? Can you read numbers? He says 12. Not 13. And yellow is not mentioned in this context. (If I recall correctly, it's perhaps in other sentence.)
In Korean, it's often quoted as "I still have twelve battleships, and I'm still alive.(or your humble servant still lives.)"
2. In full translation, it should be "I still have twelve battleships. If we fight to death, we will defend the enemy. Although our numbers are small, the enemy will not take us lightly as long as I'm alive."
I suck at English, so someone with proper English please translate it correctly. I will just edit the number. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.20.182 (talk) 02:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
3. Battle of Myeonglang is not explained properly.
Admiral Yi's flagship fought the battle ALONE at least for couple of hours against 333 Japanese ships, and other 12 ships just waited in the back, getting ready to run away as soon as Yi was killed. Well, that didn't happen.
Somebody needs to massively revise the battle of Myeonglang.
4. I know it's not in the article anymore, but this story just pops up so often, even in this dicussion board. So i will recite it.
Togo DID NOT praise Yi.
Togo DID NOT admire Yi.
Togo DID NOT study Yi's tactics.
Britain was a important ally of Japan in Russia-Japan war. Togo is not that stupid to talk down on British legendary admiral. He had a heavy mouth as well.
This story came up something like 30 years after Togo's death, from a Korean living in Japan.
And Togo's tactics in Russia-Japan war is completely different from Yi's tactics. Don't compare two timeframe that has 300 years of gap.
Spare me of this nationalistic bull.
At least it's good to know this story has been edited out.
It's most likely that Togo had 'heard' of admiral Yi, nothing more. I saw some Koreans insisting that Napoleon studied Yi's tactics. That's despicable.
5. battle of hansan is not one of 4 naval battles in world history.
where did this even come from?
lastly: sorry for my clumsy English but please don't plague the article with nationalism! I find lot of Korean articles written very one-sided, and such actions will harm Korea-related sources CREDIBILITY to foreigners.
Yi is my most admired figure in Korean history. He is indeed the greatest tactician in thousands of years of Korean history. Just don't start comparing him to other nation's heroes and create disputes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.20.182 (talk) 02:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
This aprt of the text is ridiculous and insulting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.172.67.7 (talk) 14:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
This article deserves nomination for the "my dick is bigger than yours" award. Why? The entire article literally reeks of overzealous nationalist sentiment and a strong desire to prove Yi against other, arguably more distinguished generals. For instance the legacy section is peppered with supposed quotes of praise from RN and IJN, but it makes no attempt to verify those claims. For all I care, I could say it here now that Yi invented naval warfare and I'm sure those ferverent Korean nationalists would give me the seal of approval...
It's just so sad that English wikipedia has simply become a playground for the Korean nationalists. I can't visit a single Japanese or Chinese related article without some Korean claiming some absurd "fact". Go to a page about Imjin War and there's some random "facts" about Chinese and Japanese atrocities. Go to Katana and there's some Korean claiming that katanas are Korean technology. Go to an article about Bohai and there are Koreans spewing hatred against China for claiming that Bohai was a vassal (a fact confirmed by Japanese texts). I can go on. My point? When anyone contributes an edit that claims "Japanese looted, raped, cut ears, cut dog heads off, burned villages..." that just seems awfully lopsided. It's the 1500's, people. English were raping, killing, beheading and burning villages, yet strangely claims of such are required to provide proof while this Korean one gets a free pass without sources.
Why isn't Wikipedia doing more to stop these baseless claims? Even more worrisome is why Wikipedia community isn't doing more to counter these aggressive nationalists. NPOV exists here for that exact reason. 24.52.233.220 (talk) 05:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello, i'm not big on nationalism myself but have you ever checked Japanese wiki? Don't say as if Koreans are the only nationalist on wiki pages. All three east-Asian countries have strong nationalism(China- dealing with minor races; they need to emphasize 'one china'. Japan-imperialism in the past, still dominant right wing LDP. Korea- nationalistic education under deeply rooted anti-communism regime) and it's not only restricted to Koreans. If foreigner were half as interested in Korean history as they were in Japanese and Chinese, the article will shift towards more neutral stance.
As I said above I'm not really into nationalism so nationalism Bull-craps like you criticized (korean origin, hansan battle being 4 naval battles in world history, Togo saying he admired Yi, Napoleon and Nelson learning off Yi- I know it sounds insane but I heard this claim)make me frown but let's not mislead these nationalism into Korean-specific dishonesty or anything like that. These articles only need more foreign or objective editors' participation to get better. If you don't believe me and can read Japanese, try Japanese wiki and see it yourself how Nazi-level imperialism is still alive there.
Maybe you can help editing these pages instead of throwing insults to Koreans in general. My apology if it was only directed to partial Korean nationalists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.15.224 (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Wow, you are an idiot. Period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.196.5.72 (talk) 08:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
This line in the First Campaign section seems unnecessarily dramatic. --Slowlikemolasses (talk) 00:46, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
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Change the link that says Dokdo to Liancourt Rocks to reflect the WP:NPOV about sovereignty dispute in the article title. Smells like kim chee (talk) 00:07, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
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That is why he is respected because the unchanging allegiance to the country despite the the situation baekuijong groups.
SHOULD BE
That is why he is respected because the unchanging allegiance to the country despite the situation with the baekuijong groups. 24.214.23.189 (talk) 02:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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Additional request, remove "That is why he is respected because the unchanging allegiance to the country despite the the situation baekuijong groups." which is not in correct English, has an undefined word, adds nothing to the article, and doesn't follow the form of the paragraph it ends (sentence is near top). 68.113.126.251 (talk) 02:49, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Much of the article at the moment simply does not qualify as neutral. Examples:
I understand that Admiral Yi is a great Korean hero, but articles on such people still have to be neutral, see e.g. the article on the Turkish national hero, Mustafa Kemal Atartuk. Since the wording of the text on this page is not neutral (and not in encyclopedic tone to boot), I'm tagging for NPOV. Banedon (talk) 06:07, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I agree that this article could be improved. In fact, everything under Heaven could be improved, not only this article. This depends on people of good will: be bold and contribute by yourself. In other words, stop your reader-POV and consider the writter point of view. Pldx1 (talk) 13:11, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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Please Change
"...Commander-in-Chief (도원수; 導元帥) of the Joseon military, who in, turn sent the message to King Seonjo. King Seonjo,..."
to
"...Commander-in-Chief (도원수; 導元帥) of the Joseon military, who, in turn, sent the message to King Seonjo. King Seonjo,..."
Source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_turn
165.91.237.107 (talk) 17:30, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
I think in the translated poem, "as I've sit on the watch-tower awhile" should be "as I've sat on the watch-tower awhile". The former is ungrammatical. But I don't want to change it myself without being sure. Oconnor663 (talk) 01:12, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Under the section "First Campaign," please remove the last sentence of the first paragraph "But this was all about to change." It is unnecessary and compromises the article's encyclopedic tone. Nodrokov (talk) 03:52, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Yi Sun Shin profile picture is wrong. That profile picture is not Yi Sun Shin.
You should add this image as a profile.
We can also upload drama image of Yi Sun Shin https://www.google.com/search?q=portrait+of+yi+sun+shin&biw=1536&bih=748&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI37K8ztjFyAIVCjQ-Ch2V1QI5#tbm=isch&q=%EB%B6%88%EB%A9%B8%EC%9D%98+%EC%9D%B4%EC%88%9C%EC%8B%A0&imgrc=VO-eXw4Y9PMxWM%3A — Preceding unsigned comment added by Klee146 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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Please delete the parts of the section on Battle of Myeongnyang as it factualizes certain aspects of the battle that has no proof/is being disputed.
1.
"Myeongnyang Strait had currents so powerful that ships could only enter safely one by one, of which the Japanese were unaware."
2.
"The strait was sufficiently narrow that steel defensive chains could be laid across its entire width, which Admiral Yi could use to restrict the Japanese fleet's movements." "The steel chains were tightened to restrict movement of the Japanese ships, and the Japanese found themselves unable to fight effectively against the superior Joseon archers and cannoneers."
3.
"The unpredictable current immediately wreaked havoc on the Japanese; many of their ships collided with each other or sank outright while sailing through this strait. And the Japanese ships that made it through were met by 13 Joseon warships obscured by the shadows of the surrounding hills, ready with archer and cannon fire."
4.
"What they did not know was that they were being lured into a masterfully devised trap."
(As a matter of fact, its probably the best if the entire heading got replaced with a link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myeongnyang.)
Kjl1009 (talk) 12:28, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
((edit semi-protected))
template. As this involves a large removal, I'd rather see a discussion first. Mdann52 (talk) 19:27, 28 November 2015 (UTC)This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Admiral Yi died after a stray bullet was shot.
70.104.136.241 (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Hello, new editor here so can't make this change myself.
Yi Sun-sin also appears in the historical strategy game Europa Universalis IV (which has its own Wiki page and is as notable as the Civilization series), as an admiral with the highest possible in-game statistics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Endcrohns (talk • contribs) 14:56, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, may as well take the opportunity to learn something, so quick question about this too:
How does one go about establishing verification of a cultural or media listing like the one I mention above? It assuredly has not been written about in any source deemed reliable, but I can't provide original research documenting it like a screenshot or something either? Please advise on how to properly do this if someone could, thanks much. Endcrohns (talk) 18:34, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
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112.216.146.130 (talk) 12:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello Mr. or Ms. writer. I'm Min-uk Heo,living in South Korea. I'm interested in English, thereby I'm searching Internet with my friends so as to find errors of Korean history. I'm so grateful of the fact that you are interested in Korean history and described it very well. But while I was reading your writing, I found an error of the spelling. You wrote as 'Yi Sun-Sin', but it's wrong. It should be corrected to 'Yi Sun-Shin'. Maybe you could think it is such a small thing, but I think the small correction will make big effect to many people who wants to learn about Yi Sun-Shin. It'll be my appreciation if you correct this, then please let everybody know the truth! Thank you for reading my letter, and I hope you have a nice day.
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Citation needed under 'Modern depictions' on 'Video games'. The official site with 'yi sun-shin' is here: https://web.mobilelegends.com/hero/detail-30?country=en Redjenka (talk) 19:18, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Ryu's name is misspelled at Yu in the Early Life section.
Could somebody please clarify (either here or in some article section to which we can wikilink, perhaps with the help of a suitable anchor) what is meant by Left and Right Provincial Navies, for the benefit of those of us readers who are not experts on the 16th century Korean Navy. It also seems to confuse some of our editors here (I assume the current wikilinking of 'Left Jeolla Province' is an instance of this). It especially matters at this time, when the Japanese invasion of Korea article is on our front page. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually, no need to worry, as I've now found an explanation online, which I can add as a footnote where needed. Tlhslobus (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Lee Soon-shin. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 07:10, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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In this entry, it is stated that Admiral Togo praised Yi Sun-sin. However, the only historic source that exists to back up this claim is a South Korean one. There are no historical Japanese sources that provide concrete proof that Yi Sun-sin was praised by Togo. In Japan, the claim that Togo praised Yi Sun-sin and belittled Admiral Nelson is considered as something that is nothing more than a myth. The Wikipedia entry about Yi Sun-sin is greatly misleading and it contains lots of toxic nationalism and Korean right-winged bias. I would like to request some parts of this Wikipedia article be changed to have more objectivity and less nationalism and speculation. The 2 things that need to be changed immediately are 1.the nationalistic and biased tone of this article and 2.the section that states that Togo praised Yi. Additionally, there is no Japanese evidence to suggest that Yi is looked up to by Japanese people. If Japanese people look up to Yi, then please show a Japanese source that says so, not a South Korean one. Joe Blake1234556 (talk) 01:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Not done We use sources from all around the world. South Korean sources are just as valid as Japaneese ones. Not doing that would make the article biased. See also WP:NOENG.--Snaevar (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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In the section: "Reactions by Joseon government", there is a spelling error in the second paragraph, last sentence. "Materiel" should be spelled "Material". Atthedropofahat (talk) 23:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
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223.62.22.6 (talk) 00:51, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
He is died in November 19th, 1598
During my lecture of this article as old as me, I noticed that in the part "Battle of Myeongnyang" there was a contradiction in the first paragraph:
TijuanaHelper22 (talk) 06:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)TijuanaHelper22TijuanaHelper22 (talk) 06:28, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
The caption below the drawing of the Admiral gives the text that is on the drawing, but has 8 characters while the drawing has 7. The character 陳 has been added. Could someone explain this?
EinkomischerKauz (talk) 02:20, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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Add Admiral Yi-Sun-Sin's campaign from Empire:Dawn of the Modern World to the video game section Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empires:_Dawn_of_the_Modern_World#:~:text=Admiral%20Yi%20Sun-Sin%27s%20defense%20of%20Korea%20against%20Japanese%20invasion%20in%20the%20early%20modern%20period%3B https://empireearth.fandom.com/wiki/Empires:_Dawn_of_the_Modern_World#:~:text=The%20campaign%20of,Sun-sin%27s%20life.
Blackwatch94 (talk) 05:10, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
This article contains completely inappropriate gushing about Yi, among other problems. Many lines either consciously or unconsciously describe him as "great" and explicitly boast about his fame, charisma, and achievements. I've marked it with a cleanup template but can't help right now. IdiosyncraticLawyer (talk) 18:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Theres one more video game that has yi sun sin as a playable character - Empires Dawn of the Modern World, possibly omitted in the main article 05:55, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
Star Trek canon has a starship named the Yi Sun-Sin. There was a visual reference to the ship in Star Trek: Picard Season 3 Episode 9. Also it is confirmed in this Star Trek database https://memory-gamma.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Yi_Sun-Sin 18:27, 14 April 2022 06:33 UTC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinly604 (talk • contribs)
It has been said at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea that this article is in an horrible state. @User:Toobigtokale. In my opinion the topmost problem is the poor quality of the sourcing. Using a better *set* of sources is a prerequisite for anything else. Please look at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yi_Sun-sin&oldid=1184272416. Best regards, Pldx1 (talk) 11:11, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Using "duke" to refer to Yi Sun-Sin's posthumous title is incorrect. While the 公(gong) in 忠武公(Chung-mu-gong) does mean duke, attaching the character to a posthumous name would make it have a different meaning. When 公 is attached to a posthumous title, art name, etc., it's just used as an honorific to speak highly of the person given that title (typically either old, high status, or dead). Therefore I think that all references to "Duke Chungmu" should be changed to an alternative, such as "Lord" instead. If no one objects, I will make this change in the next week or so. Eclma01 (talk) 01:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)