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See my reply to your comments on my talk page.--George Burgess (talk) 14:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Fantastic to have found an article with a fan, or a fan for an article! You're going great guns. I'll keep out of the table to avoid edit conflicts.

Would appreciate thoughts in the article talk page about a navbox template. It could be a lot of wasted work since the category should suffice. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm just a stub-sorter who sometimes finds something which looks interesting to play with! Having found that list on the BA site it seemed worth adding - and the rowspan is certainly more elegant, had forgotten about that! Will add the few remaining ones on that BA list. PamD (talk) 15:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I just wandered in to it as well. Can't quite remember how, now! Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Another step forward would be to add ISBN links for all the winning books, so people could follow them up - but I'm not going to offer to do it! I'm done now, have squeezed all the info out of that BA page and dabbed a couple of people. PamD (talk) 15:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I think we'll let the literary folk do that! I'm done, too. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that, seems my brain only wanted to read up to the bolded text, didn't see the second bit. Thanks again, — neuro^(talk) 17:12, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your valuable contribution to the article (Wrestling mythology).

(From the inner circle of presidents, to an obscure wiki-article; a librarian can "save the day". If I may say so.)
No fiction pls (talk) 02:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, will get right on it, and let you know any relevant news. Leopart (talk) 09:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've done some research on the net. There is unfortunately very little explicit information linking the variety of poppies and the use of poppy seeds as food. It seems, however, that in general Opium poppy seeds are used rather than other types. So I guess I will merge my article into the food section of Opium poppy and turn my article into a redirect. If you have any other suggestions let me know. Oh, and I know this is off-topic and probably silly, but how does one go about getting userboxes?Leopart (talk) 09:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I've merged my para with opium poppy, but i haven't changed my original article yet, because i'm not sure whether the opium poppy article is meant to include detailed culinary descriptions...Leopart (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I see that you have also been working in the last hour relating to Dab'n of James Humphreys (and i think two of your edits make the speedy deln out-of-process. I just wrote on User talk:Familytree101; perhaps we should make an effort to keep all discussion of this there for now; would you be willing to chime in?
--Jerzy•t 01:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, but Martin Luther King Jr's image[1] has been vandalised and needs to be rectified. I could not figure out how to reverse the changes. Leopart (talk) 14:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't see any problem - perhaps it's already been fixed? If not, please give me more information about what seems to be the problem. Thanks. PamD (talk) 16:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, its been fixed, and thanks for the tips from earlier.Leopart (talk) 19:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comment. I couldn't get the table to do what I wanted! Mastering these layout/whitespace things seems to be a bit of an art, and I'm no artist! Lozleader (talk) 23:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

You've uploaded File:Paul-bakery-logo.gif, and indicated that it's used under Wikipedia's rules for non-free images. However, it's not presently used in any articles. Wikipedia policy requires that non-free images be either used or deleted, so if this image isn't used in an article in the next week, it will be deleted.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. 01:53, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Note to anyone interested: a bot had converted the image to .png and updated the link. PamD (talk) 09:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

You've uploaded File:SMRTlogo.jpg, and indicated that it's used under Wikipedia's rules for non-free images. However, it's not presently used in any articles. Wikipedia policy requires that non-free images be either used or deleted, so if this image isn't used in an article in the next week, it will be deleted.

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I've PRODded it. PamD (talk) 09:48, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Gee, PamD, thanks! Your user page and contributions (and you yourself!) are impressive, even awesome I would say. --AVM (talk) 21:31, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pam, thanks for picking up that only part of the GA nomination was done by user. Hopefully they will complete the rest of the nomination, though I doubt it will pass without sorting out the references that have been added to at least have a title. Keith D (talk) 11:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pam, I'm trying to update Frangipane page with information with no sucess. Can you help me? I can verify that he is notable. Can you help me? Can you reply to my page? Ffministryoffice (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits you made to the Kine entry! \o/ I'm still just figuring things out here, so it's much appreciated! Zekiw (talk) 17:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry - forgot to check what linked to North Esk before I redirected. Rookie mistake. Oh, and I've tried to clean up some of the links so they don't link to the disambig page but rather the intended article. Graymornings_(talk) 18:41, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Pam - shouldn't these be either amalgamated or retained with links to each other and with single-p exclusively in one and double-p exclusively in the other (I've been doing things with erroneous links to double-p that should have been to single-p)? I think I'd vote for amalgamation, but you know more about dab protocols than I do! --GuillaumeTell 17:10, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, that was quite fun - I decided that it was probably clearer to keep the two spellings separate, and have created a new dab page at Saffo (disambiguation), rescued missing links to Saffò, disambiguated lots of Sapho links, tidied up and expanded the Sapho disambiguation page and Sappho (disambiguation), made lots of useful links between the various dab pages. What I haven't been able to do is to work out which Sapho opera is intended in links from Giuseppe Cremonini and Cesira Ferrani. Over to you! PamD (talk) 22:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all that, and you'll see that an Opera Project colleague has correctly dealt with the dab needed tags while I was otherwise engaged - so - job done! --GuillaumeTell 01:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		This title seems to describe you very well. Keep it up! Martin 19:16, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Brilliant, thank you! :-) Did you delete Dirty Hands and re-create, or some other way? SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 19:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Explained at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#Upper.2Flower_case_dab. PamD (talk) 19:42, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Chrisieboy seems eager to push ahead for a merge, and so some more input may be required. I find most of athe arguments in favour of a merge to be flawed, and anonymous ip editors whose only other edits were vandalism seem to not be worthy of inclusion. Additionally, I don't see any formal proposal and perhaps that seems to be needed?  DDStretch  (talk) 15:50, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I have created a new category in Wikimedia Commons: Buildings in Leeds. Just over half are my pictures and they include a number of churches, if this is of interest to you.Chemical Engineer (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Terribly sorry that I deleted your changes - I really, really appreciate the help. I noticed that changes were made while I was editing, but I thought I avoided saving over them. I'll be more careful in the future. Again, I'm sorry and thank you for all your help. -CaptainJae (talk) 17:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to thank you again for all your contributions to Jo Graham! Hopefully the release of her new book will cement her presence here on Wiki. Thanks again! -CaptainJae (talk) 17:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I am amazed! Within 10 minutes of my last save on this stub, you had added it to a disambiguation page, added 2-way see also between this page and the page on the village, and fixed the stub category. But now I am tempted to be even more sloppy than I usually am, knowing you are there to fix all my dumb mistake. :~) Not serious. Thanks, Aymatth2 (talk) 02:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, I tend to look at Category:Stubs to stub-sort them, and I go for ones with disambiguations because I also check whether they have links from the undisambiguated term via hatnote or dab page, which all too often they don't. Did you spot that I also added links from the Sirna dab page to the village and island, as the alternative spelling is given on both pages? I enjoy tidying up the links and redirects which make WP hang together, and which help avoid people creating duplicate articles - but I must get round to doing a bit more serious content addition. PamD (talk) 08:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

 Done. I use an automated tool to close AfDs, so the script must have missed a step. Thanks for letting me know. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 17:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you take a look at this page's newest entry? Can't quite figure out how to deal with it. Please reply below, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I'd go for

Pluto, the narrator's cat in The Black Cat (short story) by Edgar Allen Poe

but other people may have other ideas! PamD (talk) 19:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Guess I'll try something like that in a bit. Thanks ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:51, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Hope you didn't mind this. That type of linking would only be necessary at the start of an entry. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough on the piping, and you've allowed it to be just a bit more informative, thanks. PamD (talk) 08:15, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Should we be linking to Crystal (disambiguation) and not CRYSTAL (disambiguation)? I don't know, it never occurred to me that we are supposed to be creating and using redirects to dab pages which already have "(disambiguation)" in its title. What's your take on this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I wondered: the page at QI links to QI (disambiguation), which is a redirect to Qi (disambiguation), so this follows that pattern. I suppose the principle of least surprise (or whatever it's called) would suggest displaying the link as being to Crystal (disambiguation). I don't feel strongly either way- I initially made it the other way, then decided to go for the simplest link, influenced by QI! I think it's probably useful to create the redirect from CRYSTAL (disambiguation), to help discourage anyone from creating it as a separate page in future, whether or not we're linking via it for at present. PamD (talk) 19:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

For such cases, I suggest we adhere to the letter of Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Links to disambiguation pages (i.e., link to the redirect of the dab with a title of the same name but include "(disambiguation)" regardless). Does that make sense? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Fine. You might want to tweak QI! I haven't looked at your other examples. PamD (talk) 20:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Great! Though I'll probably be getting to them later on tonight ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

I am inviting you to comment, in your capacity as a librarian, at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Alphabetization and collation. -- Wavelength (talk) 21:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I am ambivalent on recreating the page, but shouldn't Paul I just be on the Paul (name) page, since Paul I is a disambiguation page itself? Hiberniantears (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

No - Wikipedia:FURTHERDAB#Links_to_disambiguation_pages this makes it clear that the link should be via the redirect which you deleted. Otherwise it comes up in lists of "links to disambiguation pages" as a possible mistake. PamD (talk) 17:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they're all fine. I'm only replacing them because there's only a few of the redirects, and I'm labelling a load of them, don't want to label them twice. Rich Farmbrough, 16:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC).

Belated Happy New Year!
Re: These, cool! Thanks. (I'll remember that "lifetime" thingy - saves a lot of messing around!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 01:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The other neat thing about "lifetime" is that if the death date is blank it adds [:Category:Living people]]. PamD (talk) 08:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pam, I will add it to the Somerset one. I'm just composing a message asking if anyone is interested in working SWCP up to FA - what do you think?— Rod ^talk 10:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Might be able to help a bit... but am bogged down in discussions about Leeds at present (have a look at Talk:Leeds if you're feeling brave!). I wonder what more it needs to get to FA? Are there any Featured trails to have a look at, I wonder? PamD (talk) 11:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I just wanted to drop you a line to let you know that I've restored the category that you deleted from this page, and to explain the rationale for why it was added in the first place in case you come across it again in your travels.

Category:Broadcast call sign disambiguation pages was created about a month-and-a-half ago to help manage the process of keeping these types of pages free from incoming links, and to help uncover when new pages of this type have been created so that they can be watchlisted, revised to follow a consistent format, get an initial cleaning, etc. There are two ways in which pages will end up in this category:

• for pages disambiguating only radio and/or TV stations, such as WBBK, they're tagged with Template:callsigndis rather than Template:disambig, which drops them into the category automatically
• for pages that also disambiguate something else, like an airport code or (as with WACS) many other items, the category is added manually so as not to disrupt the Template:disambig tag

Mlaffs (talk) 21:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation - I think that I looked at the entries and didn't realise that the TV station was one of the "Broadcast call sign"s of the category, thinking it only applied to the curious sort of radio station names they have over the other side of the big pond! So it looked irrelevant, so I boldly deleted it. Sorry about that. PamD (talk) 21:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi I was hoping you could help solve the issue. The page is up for deletion but i am certain it is not a hoax. I am struggling to find proof and references however and hope that you could help me out?

regards

Dogtitmania (talk) 00:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention... see my comments. PamD (talk) 08:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 10 - February 2009 January issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the tenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 4822 last month to 5108 on January 30th). WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 31 out of a total number of 1798 articles. In the area of GAs, at 26, WP:YORKS also falls behind WP:GM with 41. Priorities are not set in stone and if you would like to discuss changes, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are thirteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity ⋅Leeds Rhinos nominated for GA on January 7th Architecture of Leeds nominated for GA on January 12th Architecture of Leeds failed GA review on January 22nd Wilfrid nominated for GA on January 25th Leeds Rhinos failed GA review on January 25th Member News There are now 55 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the December newsletter: WinslowBoy (talk · contribs) No members left the project this month: Thanks Thanks to Kaly99 for work on Grade I listed buildings in North Yorkshire which was kept after being nominated for deletion and is now well on the way to a possible nomination as a featured list. There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs. WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big "thank you" to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 9,835 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 94,675 Ω = 5.11 New Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News above) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Article Activity Monitoring Article activity is now been recorded at Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire/Article alerts by the bot ArticleAlertbot. This gives details of the changes that have taken place in the last 14 days in the status of articles tagged for the project. The status changes being monitored are :- Proposed deletion Articles for deletion Miscellany for deletion Templates for deletion Categories for deletion Good article nominations Good article reassessment Good topic candidates Featured article candidates Featured article reviews Featured list candidates Featured list removal candidates Featured topic candidates Peer review Requests for comments Requested moves Did you know The project is now subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. Assessment Assess and review Assessment of Yorkshire related articles has been revised recently due to new classes being added by the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team The changes are: The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class. The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects. A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome!

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Hi. Just out of curiosity, why haven't you ever tried to run for adminship?--Rockfang (talk) 17:12, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Kind of you to ask! I don't think there's anything I want to do on WikiPedia which I'm prevented to do by not being an Admin, and I hate the look of all the sniping and nastiness around RfA so don't see the point in putting myself through all that. I'll just carry on Wikignoming away. And I spend enough of my life here anyway, without having more responsibilities, tools to play with , "to do" lists to check, etc! (Out of curiosity again, which of my activities have you noticed that made you ask? Your name is vaguely familiar though I can't remember on which pages we've "met"!) PamD (talk) 17:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

You adjust the ((stub)) I put on articles to more specific ones. That itself obviously isn't an admin action, but you do so many I checked out your page. You've been editing Wikipedia for over 2 years now and I found it odd that someone would be here that long without being an admin. Your reasoning makes sense though.--Rockfang (talk) 17:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

"Tireless contributor barnster" - that is so you! :-) You beaver away working on articles, and are a model for what I want to be like. Just wondered why you havent set your preferences to allow emails to be sent to you. --Razorlax (talk) 06:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Pam, this does not solve the template problem but as a side issue with Mount St Mary's Catholic High School (Leeds) it is using the wrong template, UK schools should be using Infobox UK School. I am currently working my way through North Yorkshire schools tagging them for the project and adding infoboxes and co-ordinates where possible. West Yorkshire will follow but it will take time. Keith D (talk) 01:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem! - Vianello (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the tip. Cheers -- Samjetski (talk) 00:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I very much liked the quote you added to the Leeds talkpage. Just this morning I was wondering to myself whether searching through recently published local histories for things would bear fruit. Do you think it worthwhile to search for more like this? And if so, what kind of quantity do you think would be appropriate? Yours, almost-instinct 15:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you happen to know who is in charge of putting up road-signs? When I was passing through Harewood earlier this week I noticed that the road-signs were saying "Otley" "Wetherby" and "Leeds", the latter as opposed to one saying "City Centre" or "Leeds City Centre". This would suggest that there is at least one official body thinking that "Leeds" means a settlement in the middle of the City of Leeds, or at least thinking it is useful to communicate with the public on such a basis almost-instinct 23:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

thanks for your help on Hilltop Lake and Temporary Pond!Troyster87 (talk) 04:09, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, well, I was looking at the GA nomination for the Wales Millennium Centre, about which an Alert has appeared on the Opera Project page. It was (correctly) listed under Art and Architecture and I saw the Leeds nomination there. So I had a brief look at the article and was horrified to see 2 sentences in the lead joined with a comma and "however". Then I noticed a whole bunch of other things and had a bit of time in hand to fix them. It also looks as if it's being put up for GA every month! I might have a look at the rest sometime soon, but I have various other unfinished WP things to do. As for the definition of Leeds, I'd vote for the area wihin the ring road, plus a short article linked from somewhere near the beginning called List of places in the Leeds Metropolitan District or whatever it's called these days. The York article has never been challenged about this sort of thing, thank goodness, and a sign saying "City of York" appears on the A64 somewhere near Askham Bryan. --GuillaumeTell 18:38, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed Gnevin (talk) 08:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

No worries Gnevin (talk) 08:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you PamD. I'm new user and you are first helped me. You drew attention on my editing and correct my mistake and left a message for me. my respect)) Igor Bobko 19:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice on the above article. And yes you hit on the key point- I realized that the title being used was not the standard one and yet I couldn't change it. Will keep your advice in mind in the future.Wyatt3 (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Will do, thanks PamD, Julia Rossi (talk) 09:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

		The Copyeditor's Barnstar
		Thanks for your help at Wikipedia:Suggestions for name disambiguation! Those redirects and dab pages may Wikipedia more useful and accessible for everyone, and your work is appreciated. – Quadell (talk) 15:38, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 11 - March 2009 February issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the eleventh WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 5108 last month to 5202 on February 17th). WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 32 out of a total number of 1801 articles. In the area of GAs, at 32, WP:YORKS also falls behind WP:GM with 42. Priorities are not set in stone and if you would like to discuss changes, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are fourteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Architecture of Leeds nominated for GA on February 12th ⋅Ealdred (archbishop) nominated at FAC on February 13th ⋅Fulfordgate nominated for GA on February 14th Wilfrid promoted to GA on February 19th ⋅Ealdred (archbishop) promoted to FA on February 20th Fulfordgate promoted to GA on February 20th Member News There are now 58 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the February newsletter: Matriculate (talk · contribs) andylaw31 (talk · contribs) Richardob (talk · contribs) No members left the project this month: Thanks There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs. WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big "thank you" to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 9,835 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 94,675 Ω = 5.11 New Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Orphan articles Members may have noticed a new spate of article tagging by bots in the last month. A large number (over 250) of articles belonging to the project have been tagged with the ((Orphan)) template indicating that there are no or few incoming links to the article. It would be helpful if members tried to reduce the number of tagged articles by introducing wikilinks into related articles so that there is a minimum of three links to each of the orphaned articles. Once the links are in place the tag can be removed and the bot should not re-add the tag. The bot is currently only doing articles with no incoming links. Portal Those of you with eagle eyes may have spotted the change made to the Yorkshire Portal link in the project template. Rather than the usual jig-saw image it has been changed to the Yorkshire Rose image to give it a more distinctive look and hopefully raise the profile of the portal. The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. The latest listing was created on February 25th. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. Assessment Assess and review Assessment of Yorkshire related articles has been revised recently due to new classes being added by the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team The changes are: The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class. The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects. A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome!

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Hi Pam,

Systematic is actually part of epistemology/ science - if the article was done correctly. However, if you think the content is not sufficient, feel free to delete it- with one note- I think the "band" on the other systematic article should remains, otherwise it could be pretty misleading (regardless the existence of systematic in wiktionary).

About hat and redirection, I have no idea what you're talking about. I am technically challenge for this kind of thing, and if I did something "unappropriated" it is err on my part and unintentional. If you would like to reply to this message, please reply in my talk page. If not, it's ok too. (I will put this on talk page deletion article too for a note) Serenity id (talk) 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah you mean the note on top, that is what you are refering to hat? Yes, my mistake, I should've put that. By habit, I usually put a note in the disambiguation page, but I guess, I didn't do that either. Must've been distract by something else.

For epistemology part, correct, systematic is not on that page. Funny why, it is a part of "knowledge distinguishing" - knowing that from knowing how, as an approach. I guess the closest one is Systematic review, but after reading it, not really... so yeah, I let it hang in there. Got other priorities. Thanks. Serenity id (talk) 05:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Greetings. You've previously helped out at Wikipedia:Suggestions for name disambiguation, so I just wanted to drop you a note to let you know we have a brand new batch of 3,835 names to be checked! These include sports figures, federal judges, serial killers, librarians, and other assorted sundry folks. This batch also should be a little easier to update, with corrected templates and a handy search function. Enjoy! – Quadell ^(talk) 03:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

thanks, you're much better at it than i, but i promise to get better.pohick (talk) 23:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

cool thanks for that. I had a glance at the naming conventions but didn't see anything relevant (I didn't look particularly hard), so took a stab in the dark. I agree that the page you've moved it to is an improvement. Cheers DJR (T) 17:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

You're invited to sign up as a founding member, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#WikiProject Historic Sites ! :) doncram (talk) 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic Sites has opened up. I took the liberty of assuming your support for the wikiproject meant you wanted to join as a member, and I copied your signature to the Members list on the main page. Please visit and add to, or remove, your listing there. It would be great to hear about what you're interested in the Wikiproject becoming, in your member comment and/or at the Talk page, shortcut wt:HSITES.

Also, I am so glad you signed up -- yours was a voice of reason in some disambig discussions that i learned a lot from last year. And, I thought the 80,000 U.S. NRHP historic sites were the only ones likely to have disambiguation difficulties, but yikes, u should see the French list, and now i am catching drift of dab difficulties for the 442,000 or so U.K. ones. Thanks for your support! doncram (talk) 05:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

An article that you have been involved in editing, Gobi marathon, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gobi marathon. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message.  Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 19:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes it was. I thought Lionsgate made it and heard it was called "The Shark". Sorry. Misunderstanding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BurbankCA (talk • contribs) 19:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Please stop removing content from this. You may have a POV about Erin McKean; I do not. I added this as an interesting aspect of the topic. Just leave it alone, please. PamD (talk) 19:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

That you find in interesting doesn't make it so. Can you point me to some independent reliable sources that, while discussing Muphry's law, cared to mention this irrelevant trivia by Ms. McKean? --Damiens.rf 20:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

http://grammar.about.com/od/il/g/MuphrysLaw.htm PamD (talk) 21:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Are you seriously arguing that about.com is a reliable source? --Damiens.rf 17:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we all know that the only "policy" you care about on Wikipedia is WP:IDONTLIKEIT 68.43.197.22 (talk) 04:20, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

+1. I'm also curious as to why Damiens chose to single out this one mention of related laws and not the entire paragraph that followed. 68.43.197.22 (talk) 02:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

How does one go about craeting DYKs for the main page? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

You can read all about it at Wikipedia:Did you know. Good luck! PamD (talk) 16:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot... :D --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi PamD, I'm glad you checked! It's just a default in AWB; I didn't think much of it. Good thing AWB is coded the right way 'round ... --AndrewHowse (talk) 19:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pam,

Thanks for catching that. Sometimes things just go under my radar. Also thanks for cleaning up the article a bit, I'm new at this so I'm still learning the codes etc. I plan to put some more information into the article, for now though at least he's in the database.

Bastard Fish (talk) 21:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi ... I'm trying to straighten out a ambiguous name situation with this article. The original article was about a recording by The Connells. Boylan Heights is also the name of a historic neighborhood in Raleigh, North Carolina. I have created a new article for the neighborhood (Boylan Heights (Raleigh, North Carolina). I don't think it's appropriate to include "North Carolina" in the name of the article about the recording because that's not the name of the album. Perhaps it's a good idea to rename the article Boylan Heights (album) or Boylan Heights (Connells album). --sanfranman59 (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

The article I intended to move was the one I had just "stub-sorted", whose content was the place! In the minute before I moved it, you had replaced the content. Yes, there seem to need to be two articles, Boylan Heights (album) and Boylan Heights, North Carolina (I'm not sure that "Raleigh" is needed, is it?). Then a dab page to point to the two of them. PamD (talk) 19:30, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:NRHP uses the (city, state) standard in disambiguating the names of places listed on the National Register of Historic Places. That's why I used that name. Thanks for your work in getting this situation resolved. --sanfranman59 (talk) 19:43, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 12 - April 2009 March issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the twelfth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 5202 last month to 5866 on March 29th). WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 32 out of a total number of 1828 articles. In the area of GAs, at 35, WP:YORKS also falls behind WP:GM with 40. Priorities are not set in stone and if you would like to discuss changes, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are fourteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Kingston upon Hull peer review requested on March 5th Wilfrid peer review requested on March 5th Member News There are now 60 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the March newsletter: Computerjoe (talk · contribs) Neutralle (talk · contribs) No members left the project this month: Thanks To those who have done some work on sorting the orphan articles mentioned in the last newsletter. The number has decreased but there is still some way to go. There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs. WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big "thank you" to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 9,835 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 94,675 Ω = 5.11 New Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Co-ordinates Further runs of the bot to tag articles with the ((coord missing)) template have been made during the last month. This has resulted in a significant number of the project's articles being tagged as needing coordinate data adding. At the time of writing there are 719 articles assigned to the Yorkshire categories with more expected as the bot moves articles from the United Kingdom and England categories into the county categories. It would be good if we could get the number down as when the co-ordinates are in place the article is available to other providers such as Google to display on maps. The best way of doing this is to complete the appropriate field(s) in the infobox template, if there is no template then consider adding one and killing two birds with one stone. The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. The latest listing was created on March 9th. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. Assessment Assess and review Assessment of Yorkshire related articles has been revised recently due to new classes being added by the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team The changes are: The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class. The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects. A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome!

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Hi, thank you for the comments you left on my Userpage. Please continue to peruse my work and gently point out where I need to improve. Fsmatovu (talk) 23:06, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

hey thanks for adding to the Litchfield bears page i made its good to see rugby league fans about —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nem1991 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi - I don't know if you remember our recent discussions, but I've run across an add-on that has very nice pull down menus for tagging. It is Friendly and I believe I ran across it as an option under gadgets of settings. Not only does it automate making multi issue tags but it annotates it nicely in the comments. Just thought I'd let you know - Alice (talk) 23:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

And here's the link: Friendly Alice (talk) 23:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - there seems to be a lot of stuff there! Will have a look after I get back from Easter visits. PamD (talk) 06:57, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Very, very useful - the pull down includes enough of a description to keep the tags straight! Very helpful for a newbie and even for an experienced editor the less frequent one are right there. Peace and joy to you this Easter! Alice (talk) 12:24, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi, recently you have placed my first article Alpha Pack for speedy deletion, Please note that I am a new user have no idea how thing work here. The article seems to be questioned on its notability. Also it is not a school sprots team but rather a college sport team out team plays in inter-college leagues in bangladesh and i see no reasopn for it to be deleted is teams from the NCAA arent. If i have misunderstood the reason please point it out. thanks, still trying to figure things out here. Also btw is there a page top learn the wiki-codes somewhere?

(Shadnan Azwad Khan 08:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadnanunder (talk • contribs)

Hi! IANP (I am not Pam) but I saw your note when I was checking up on mine. Pam left you a lot of good links on your own talk page - you will probably find it very valuable to read through those as a great place to start. From Pam's comment it sounds like you are getting a good start on the mechanics of Wikipedia, so please don't take the deletion of the article as an indication of your futute here - a number of articles are deleted daily. If you want the text of the article back you can contact an administrator to send you the text, I believe. Welcome to Wikipedia! Alice (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Hi - since you were so gentle correcting my flub about styles, I was wondering if you give me a little help now. While patrolling the old new pages backlog, I ran across this article, International Monetary Systems which shone out as so much better than the backlogged articles and indeed than many articles I get when I go looking for them intentionally that I thought it was worth nominating for a Good Article. It seems to me to have everything - good focused intro, clear organization and writing, inline citations, wiki and outside links, serious references. For goodness sakes it even manages to have good and relevant pictures, which for the topic is quite something. If you don't mind taking a look at it, could you leave your impressions on my talk page? Thanks! Alice (talk) 12:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article WYAS, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the ((dated prod)) notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Babylonian Armor (talk) 14:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

We did it! Thanks so much for your help finishing off the missing disambiguation links. You made it happen! – Quadell (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way... I'm just about ready for my next project: making a list of all the disambiguation pages with various problems. A rough draft is at Wikipedia:Suggestions for disambiguation repair/A1. What do you think? What could make it more useful? Thanks, – Quadell ^(talk) 22:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Greetings PamD, thank you for getting involved with Wikipedia. On the Land's End to John o' Groats article, you appear to have repeatedly[2] embolded[3] abbreviations accompanied by the edit summary "bold abbrevs used in dabs/redirects". Could you perhaps share your background thinking on why this is appropriate; "LEL" refers to a completely separate article; and LE-JOG does not exist as either a disambiguation page, or as a redirect. I'm particularly interested in why you feel that WP:BOLDTITLE does not apply. Many appreciations, and once again, thank you for your enthusiastic contributions. —Sladen (talk) 15:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

LEL is a dab page which includes a link here. (I note that Lel does not link to that dab page, and will remedy that omission!). LEJOG is a redirect to this article. LE-JOG may not yet exist, if you say so, so I will add it too. Redirects are good. It's my understanding that any title from which a dab or redirect leads to an article should be in bold. Is that not the case? PamD (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean about WP:BOLDTITLE not applying: it says "If the subject of the page has a common abbreviation or more than one name, the abbreviation (in parentheses) and each additional name should be in boldface on its first appearance.", which is just what I do. I've tidied up the LEL dab page (it needed it!), and retargeted the Lel redirect to go there, rather than to Lehel, as I don't see that article as the primary usage of the unaccented word. PamD (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. According to the history[4] of "LEL" it has at no point redirected to the Land's End to John o' Groats article, so it is not necessary for it to the on the LEJOG page, and—if it relates to another page—almost certainly should not be in bold! Creating the LE-JOG redirect was useful (and thank you for doing that) and both of the abbreviation variants are now at the top where they belong (and in bold).

The "...boldface on its first appearance" is referring to terms directly relating to the page in question, and not to common abbreviations relating to other articles (which additionally, if they are only used one, do not need to be abbreviated as well as linked). Hope that's useful, and let me know if there's any further guidance I can provide. Once again, thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. —Sladen (talk) 22:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, "LEL" doesn't need to be bolded - I got myself confused there (your initial edit summary wasn't terribly informative!). In fact on looking at it again I've moved that chunk of info down into the cycling section, as it doesn't seem worthy of the lead, but did reinstate the (unbolded) inclusion of the abbreviation. And going to the LEL dab page was worthwhile as it was a real shambles and I've cleaned it up substantially while adding at least one new entry. Cheers, PamD (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The reason for defining a three letter acronym (TLA) is so that you can refer to TLA later in the paragraph, without having to spell out the full three letter acronym phrase on each occasion.

It the article is only refering to something once, then adding an unused abbreviation does not help save space, and instead adds clutter and wastes space. There is WP:MOSABBR, although it could probably benefit from addressing this particular issue more precisely. —Sladen (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

A second reason for adding an abbreviation can be if there is a possibility that some readers may recognise the abbreviation more readily than they recognise the name - I felt LEL might be one of those (within the cycling fraternity, of which I am not a member), which is why I replaced it. PamD (talk) 23:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Per WP:JARGON: "Words and phrases used as jargon by any profession or group should usually be avoided...". —Sladen (talk) 23:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Avoided where it hinders comprehension, sure - but here we're helping, I think! PamD (talk) 23:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your wish to improve accessibility of the material to a wider audience. This can probably be done by following WP:MTAA; "...in addition to explaining jargon and expanding acronyms at first use, you might consider using them sparingly thereafter, or not at all".

Regarding this further recent edit[5], could I also draw your attention to WP:MOSTEXT "Quotation marks for emphasis of a single word or phrase, or scare quotes, are discouraged.". Please let me know if you require any further guidance. —Sladen (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Life is too short. PamD (talk) 06:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Thoroughly agreed, remember to take regular WP:WIKIBREAKs. —Sladen (talk) 10:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

politely agree to disagree with you. You made your point the first time and have no need to repeat it several times. We disagree and that is it. I will continue to not reply in the future because I don't think it will benefit either of us to discuss the issue further.Postcard Cathy (talk) 18:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

You do have policy on your side, after all. Why don't you continue to move it to the correct spot and, if an edit war appears to be looming, ask someone else for support? I can help if you so desire. Nyttend (talk) 02:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem is that it isn't just a matter of one article, but her ongoing habit of putting the tags in the wrong place on every article she tags. Yes, I move them as I find them, while stub-sorting, but she's not willing to change her ways! PamD (talk) 06:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I looked at the one that you mentioned, and after moving the stub nominated it for deletion. Would you offer an opinion there? As far as stubs: although it's not vandalism to put them in the wrong place, repeatedly and intentionally putting things in the wrong places is disruptive, and can lead to blocks eventually. Just keep moving the stubs back where they belong. Nyttend (talk) 13:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Pam, You may have noticed I removed the reference to St Johns and the priest article. I am employed at St Johns school for the deaf and we have spotted the reference and are unhappy with it as it is bad publicity for the school. Please could you keep the reference removed. Thanks Karl —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dentonkarl (talk • contribs) 06:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back! – Quadell ^(talk) 13:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

And happy Wiki-birthday as well! – Quadell ^(talk) 15:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for both! PamD (talk) 15:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 13 - May 2009 April issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the thirteenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 5866 last month to 6113 on April 25th). WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 41 out of a total number of 1835 articles. In the area of GAs, at 36, WP:YORKS equals WP:GM. Priorities are not set in stone and if you would like to discuss changes, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are fourteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Architecture of Leeds was promoted to GA on April 5th York was nominated for GA on April 7th York failed its GA review on April 17th Member News There are now 60 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! There have been no changes in the membership since the April newsletter. Thanks To those who have done some work on adding co-ordinates and infoboxes to articles as mentioned in the last newsletter. The number has decreased but there is still some way to go. There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs. WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big "thank you" to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 9,835 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 94,675 Ω = 5.11 Written by Keith D • Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! New Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Article tagging This month I thought that I would focus on article tagging. Article tagging is the means of identifying that an article is within the scope of the project. This is done by placing the project template ((WikiProject Yorkshire)) on the talk page of an article below any existing project banners. Some pages have a number of banners and can get very cluttered, if this is the case then a shell is used to wrap the templates together and collapse them down to a single line. The main shells in use are ((WikiProjectBannerShell)) and ((WikiProjectBanners)) and any new template should be added inside the shell template. There is no longer a requirement to add the 'nested=yes' parameter to the Yorkshire template when doing this as it will be ignored. Why tag, you may ask, the reason is to be able to locate relevant articles among all of Wikipedia's articles. If article 'Foo' is relevant to Yorkshire then, unless it is tagged, no one in the project will know it exists unless they happen to stumble across it. The odds are against this happening so tagging makes it easily identifiable to project members. Once an article has been tagged it can be assessed to see what quality and importance it is to the project. This is done using the assessment parameters to the template, 'class=' and 'importance=', you can leave these to more experienced people to pick-up and assign. The results of this are shown in the statistics table on the left of the newsletter. Tagging also makes the articles appear on the project watchlist, article alerts log and clean-up listing when they are refreshed by the appropriate bot. It also provides readers with a point of contact if they wish to discuss the article in more detail and no responce has been received on the article's talk page or a wider audience is required on the discussion. I would therefore encourage members to add the project template to the talk pages of articles they find that are relevant to the project so the rest of us know that it exists. You can also tag templates, categories etc. as these are all relevant to maintenance of the articles in the scope of the project. Vandalism on a template can affect a large number of articles so it needs watching. The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. The latest listing was created on March 9th. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. Assessment Assess and review Assessment of Yorkshire related articles has been revised recently due to new classes being added by the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team The changes are: The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class. The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects. A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR.

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Dear Pam. Thats very helpful. Many thanksOrdyg (talk) 10:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Since you have given thought to the issue of date ranges in the past, this may be of interest to you ... [6].--Ethelh (talk) 21:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi PamD. Thanks for your help with Leeds City Museum page. Sorry I just removed your red link from the article by mistake - thought it was my own error and didn't realise you'd done it purposely. Please put it back if you want. Please notify me of any reply on my talk page - otherwise I'll miss it. Cheers. --Storye book (talk) 00:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. Re your reply:

"Thanks for your message. I'll reinstate the link, as I plan to get around to doing an article for LPLS some time, and there's already a red link to them from William Hey (surgeon) (though, looking at it, I think I created that one!). Thanks for expanding the Museum article, though I'm not sure it's really correct to say that "Leeds City Museum" was established in 1819, as it was the museum of the Phil and Lit until they gave it to the corporation much later." PamD (talk) 8:51 am, Today (UTC+1)"

I'm no expert on the museum - I got the info on the 1819 establishment from the timeline info at the bottom of this Yorkshire Post page. Please change it back if the Yorks Post got it wrong. By the way, have you seen the copyright message at the bottom of the image pages of the Leeds City Museum website here? Very generous of them! I would have liked to have used some of their PD pix (and given them their link) but the images are un-labelled, and I don't have the info to label them. Re the text of the article: in a minute I'm going to look at re-jigging the page to put each listed exhibit under its appropriate gallery heading. I'll have a go at doing the museum's Aphrodite image, though. Here goes.--Storye book (talk) 10:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I stubbed it because it was missing some things that I thought were required in bios such as date and place of birth, where he went to school, etc. But if I am wrong about that - and I could be mistaken on that point - feel free to take the stub out. But I think those biographical details should be there if they are available. Postcard Cathy (talk) 17:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:STUB says "A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information.", so I think something with as much content as that one might need an ((expand)) but not a ((stub)). My reaction on seeing it in the Stubs category was to wonder about the article name - I've now renamed it with standard dab format, and made a hatnote to link to it from Dan Dailey. It amazes me how many article creators add disambiguations but don't think to create a hatnote leading to the article from the one at the basename! Cheers, PamD (talk) 17:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

OK I was wondering what the difference was between stub and expand. Now I know! Thanks. I agree on the titles too. And I love the people that create two articles such as John smith, realize they did the name wrong and then create a duplicate article called John Smith. Or they don't look to see if there is already an article on a popular topic like Barack Obama (or do and don't care) and create another article with interesting titles. What is a hatnote? Postcard Cathy (talk) 17:56, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

See WP:Hatnote - or see Dan Dailey for an example. It's a term for a navigational message which appears in italics at the top of the page (by analogy with a footnote at the bottom}; it can be done "freehand" using ((dablink)), or there are various useful templates like ((otheruses)), ((otheruses4)), ((redirect)) etc. PamD (talk) 18:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi pam - you might be interested in adding your 2¢ worth at WP:AN/I... Grutness...wha? 11:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Done. PamD (talk) 11:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pam - WP:DR suggests that either RfC or Mediation would be the next step, but given that Postcard Cathy has been incommunicative I don't see that mediation would be of much help. The main purpose of RfC is that if the result is against PC, then any further similar action on her part can be dealt with more swiftly and effectively. Just as now it's possible to go to RfC and say "we tried communicating, we tried AN/I, and now we've come here", any further problems it's a case of "...and we even tried RfC, but she still won't follow the rules". That would be at arbitration, and any fault found on the part of PC would likely be dealt with more harshly, with such tools as edit restriction possible. Hopefully that won't be necessary - with any luck, there might be some form of resolution after RfC (though i'm not holding my breath). It's important to go through the steps in order though, no matter how drawn out that may seem. Grutness...wha? 12:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me about these copyright problems. I will do my best to use my own words if I am creating new articles. If I err, I hope that you can correct my mistakes! Thank you once again for NOT deleting my newly created articles! --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 10:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information about the table converter. I've been playing with it. Magic!!--Harkey (talk) 20:10, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

	The Yorkshire Rose
	WikiProject Yorkshire
	Award of Merit
	for valued contributions to Yorkshire articles on Wikipedia
	and for hard work, generosity and good humour.--Harkey (talk) 13:29, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, PamD. You've been very helpful in disambiguation work, and I know that you're a retired librarian with a broad base of knowledge on general subjects, so I thought I'd come to you. Over at Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/3, a few Wikipedians (including myself) are attempting the tricky task of deciding on the 1000 most-important articles on Wikipedia. We already have the vital 100 solidified, but it's an interesting task to choose among all Wikipedia articles to decide which are most vital. Is Rembrandt or Andy Warhol more vital? Tuba or Folk music? Would you be willing to offer your input on these and other questions? If so, the discussion is mostly ongoing at Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/3. All the best, – Quadell ^(talk) 20:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

A discussion you might be interested in is here. I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile to pool lots of biographical bot-stuff at WT:Biographical metadata? Or maybe at a disambiguation or biography WikiProject? Carcharoth (talk) 00:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw that somewhere where it didn't work - it showed up first name first on some category like orphans so I am tempted to go with what I know works! It only happened once, but hey, like I said, default sort I know works! Postcard Cathy (talk) 12:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

PamD, I appreciate your concerns and understand them. Please go to Talk:The Deserter (novel) and I will start a discussion on the notablity of that page. GrandMattster (talk) 16:32, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't me who PRODded it! PamD (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pam, I agree, the whole world is not the USA (I really hate how my own country's culture is being eclipsed by Americanization), and I'm sorry for making that stub sorting mistake. JulieSpaulding (talk) 07:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey Pam,

I noticed you helped with the Eko Atlantic City page. Thank you. How do I learn more about the type of code you put in. Like the Categorization stuff. I am new here and want to learn more.

Also, CNN has a piece on Eko Atlantic City that is on Youtube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E906CPuq5Ac It's copyrighted so I can't link to it directly. Can I use it as a source to verify claims?

Thank you

StNicksRocks (talk) 10:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Oops...wrong person again. :s Renaissancee (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I deleted Micandidate under WP:CSD#G11, blatant advertising. This page has been deleted before, so I also have protected the page from being recreated. Should you wish to recreate the page from scratch, I'll be glad to help you by removing the protection and giving you a copy of what was there before. Jehochman ^Talk 13:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. The Electoral Commision links shows that they have three descriptions which prove they are joint candidates (Christian Party - CPA, and the two formal "joint descriptions" below). And further to this, they've run a PB as joint candidates - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8058538.stm . doktorb _words^deeds 22:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello PamD, I'd like to invite you to help me work on User:Thevoiceofreason219/The Deserter (novel). The original page was deleted, so I thought I'd ask you to help me improve upon the previous work. I'd much appreciate your help! Thanks. Thevoiceofreason219 (talk) 17:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but I know nothing about the book - I just came across the article while stub-sorting. Good luck. PamD (talk) 20:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks anyway. User:Thevoiceofreason219 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.122.213.2 (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Pam, thank you for coming to my support on that topic. I am glad you were watching as the whole episode unfolded. I appreciate the support. Fsmatovu (talk) 02:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh gosh! ;) It is true. Thank you for the warning! --Liveabruzzo (talk) 07:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message - I'm now also adding the 2004 candidates, and hope that we can record this year's results in the same manner. Warofdreams talk 13:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks - those were the references which I was using. I've now added references to all the constituency articles. Warofdreams talk 18:04, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I see you dabbed Ultimo - you might like to look at Talk:Ultimo where I've used hitcounts to suggest that the lingerie company is the primary usage. FlagSteward (talk) 11:01, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 14 - June 2009 May issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the fourteenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 6113 last month to 6344 on May 30th). We have recently overtaken WP:LONDON which has 6283 articles. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 38 out of a total number of 1850 articles. In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 42 is just behind WP:GM with 44. If you would like to discuss changes to Priorities, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are fifteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) • Paulinus of York There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Paulinus of York was promoted to FA on April 7th Thomas Ferens was nominated for GA on April 11th Philip Larkin was promoted to GA on May 6th Geoffrey Boycott was nominated at FAC on May 12th Geoffrey Boycott was not promoted to FA on May 16th Geoffrey Boycott peer review requested on May 16th Architecture of Leeds peer review requested on May 21st Kingston upon Hull was promoted to GA on May 24th York City F.C. season 2008–09 was nominated for GA on May 28th Member News There are now 63 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the May newsletter: Storye book (talk · contribs) Nthep (talk · contribs) Stuffed cat (talk · contribs) Lexaris (talk · contribs) One members left the project this month: Harris Morgan (talk · contribs) Thanks To those who have tagged articles as a result of the feature in the last newsletter. Do keep on tagging articles as you come across them. There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs.  Great! WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big Thank you to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 9,835 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 94,675 Ω = 5.11 Written by Keith D and Harkey• Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Browsers According to the article Usage share of web browsers the percentage of people using the Mozilla Firefox browser has increased steadily since 2004 and it now stands at 22.56%. The percentage of Wikipedia editors using Firefox is probably considerably higher because the Firefox browser has a number of advantages for editors. Not least of these is the add-on that lets you right click on a web page to get a Cite Web pop up on the menu. WPCITE allows you easily to create a citation template. This makes the laborious task of filling in web citation templates (almost) a thing of the past. Another advantage of Firefox is the ability to use wikiEd which is a full-featured Wikipedia-integrated text editor that adds enhanced text processing functions to edit pages. And there is a spell checker Currently, wikEd works under Firefox, SeaMonkey, Safari, and Google Chrome, but not under Internet Explorer and Opera. Mention of these other browsers reminds me that not all browsers render pages in the same way. What appears to be a beautiful layout in one browser can be rendered as a tangled mess of text and images by another. As most browsers can be downloaded for free, it is worth having several on your computer just to check the appearance of articles. Bear in mind that many people who use Wikipedia just for reference will have only Internet Explorer, and possibly quite an old version, so some of the latest "bells and whistles" may not work for them. My apologies to old hands who already know all this, but to new users it really is worthwhile looking into the possibilities of different browsers on Wikipedia. Please remember... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. The latest listing was created on March 9th. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. Assessment Assess and review As of 30 May, 2009, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however)  Thanks References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR.

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Hi Pam, Thanks for sorting out my category blunder. I must remember to put my brain in gear :-). Also, I wonder if you have, on your travels around Wikipedia, noticed an infobox for museum exhibits of human archaeological remains like Gristhorpe Man or the Bog body. I know there is a box for artefacts but it seems a bit odd calling human bits and pieces 'artefacts'.(Oh, I don't know though!!) Thanks again.--Harkey (talk) 09:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Can't see one - Ötzi the Iceman has ((Infobox Person)), and that seems to work OK. PamD (talk) 13:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank-you--Harkey (talk) 13:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Do you know anything about chemistry? Do you know that there is a tool called Google in this world? Please stop delete ACE and NME! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.89.77.122 (talk) 20:11, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I could reply "You know nothing about Wikipedia disambiguation pages", but other people have done so elsewhere. PamD (talk) 07:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, so you really know nothing about chemistry! It is not good for you, is it? You want to claim that you know something about Wikipedia disambiguation pages, don't you? So please say something about Wikipedia disambiguation pages. I think what you did is wrong because the rule of Wikipedia does not support your deletion. If you do not show your reason clearly, I will revert your version.--141.89.77.122 (talk) 11:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

You did not show your reason nor take part in the discussion. So I think you are irrelevant to the edit and I change back the pages into my version. If you want to revert, please firstly explain your idea in the discussion before you perform your personal action.--141.89.77.122 (talk) 20:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you understand the following?

In chemistry, an N-methylamide (NME) is a blocking group for the C-terminus end of peptides. When the carboxyl group of the C-terminus is replaced with a methylamide, further elongation of the peptide chain is prevented. C-Terminal modified peptides are also useful for the modulation of structure-activity relationships and for modifying conformational properties of peptides. N-Methylamides can be prepared directly from solid phase resin-bound peptides.

You deleted knowledge from Wikipedia. What a shame!

--SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

07:50, 6 June 2009 PamD (talk | contribs) (858 bytes) (Undid revision 294733966 by 141.89.77.122 (talk) revert unexplained reversion of correct tidying)

You are wrong.

--SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 15:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't delete knowledge any more.--SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I apologize to you. You are right. I should behave politely. --SayNoToHypocritical (talk) 17:56, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for redirecting the article I created(LG)-silly me, I saw a red link in the list of LG phones & didn't even think to check if there was another article with a slightly different name. Also saw you doing stub sorting my new articles-will try & remember to do that when I create them!Dotty••|☎ 18:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

		The Invisible Barnstar
		Thanks for your work in clearing up after clumsy old me! Dotty••|☎ 18:32, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, i wonder if you could comment at Talk:Old Mill, where I've been discussing with Mjroots how several big mills disambiguation pages could/should be refined towards compliance with MOSDAB guidelines. Hopefully u may know about when/how non-wikilinked entries can make sense. Your advice would be most appreciated! doncram (talk) 05:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI: I've proposed Josef Perl, an article you edited but didn't create, for deletion. --I dream of horses (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi. No problem if you want to have the redlink at LEED but it really should have a bluelink pointing somewhere to go with it, or it's just a dead end. Station1 (talk) 07:40, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course - should have done, have done. PamD (talk) 07:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Even if it is a small fix, I'm grateful for your attention. May I ask you if you think I can move the article in my user subpage to the actual wikipedia, without giving the perception that I'm trying to advertise? I'm not associated with that, just a 'fan' and I'd like to add a reference to it here on wikipedia, given that there is plentiful of similar items already there. I'm new to any contribution here, so I'm very afraid to make a pas faux. Thank you anyway, sincerely WikiRubyTrs (talk) 22:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

	The Working Woman's Barnstar
	Awarded to PamD for her work on stub-sorting. Enigmamsg 17:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your actions regarding ((orphan)) tags on ((surname)) and ((given name)) pages. In view of the policy change at Wikipedia:O#Criteria, I spent a fair amount of time yesterday removing orphan tags from surname pages.

However, this morning I notice that User:Postcard Cathy has been putting tags back again, despite your very clear instruction on her talk page - see Ackles, Ackermann (surname) and Abu Taleb. I find this quite frustrating. Surely Wikipedia has some way of resolving this pointless waste of time? -- Hebrides (talk) 05:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, it's a sad waste of time. I've taken it to ANI. PamD (talk) 07:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		For greatly improving Hugh O'Neills, which I proposed for deletion. Thank you. I dream of horses (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear Pam

Formal warning!! what does that mean. You make it sound as if I am putting entries in the wrong place on purpose. I have been given a job to do on behalf of the Open University and it is quite often difficult to work out where the entry should go, in a lot of cases there is no relevant section for honours and awards.

Jackie Holden OU Comms (talk) 09:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

• Jackie

I see your behaviour as being disruptive: you are continuing to add information to articles about living people (mostly), without giving a source for your information. This is against Wikipedia policy. Other editors will be likely to delete information as unsourced, or will spend time looking for sources. You have confirmed that you work for the OU, so you must know where the information is made available online or in print, and you ought to quote that as a reference each time. Otherwise, there is nothing to support your added information. I'm quite sure it's all true, but you need to cite your sources to support your statements. I'd also suggest that you ought to link to Open University and, where it's not already linked nearby, to Honorary degree, so that readers unfamiliar with these terms can easily find them. It's surely in the interests of the OU to make sure that readers (who may be from anywhere in the world) are led to the article about it if they don't recognise it.

Editors who continue to edit in a disruptive way can, eventually, be banned. Lots of disruptive things are done through ignorance. You have been told, by several different people, that you should include sources, and you haven't done so. I've also suggested that you should include relevant links. Please improve your editing. Thanks. PamD (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

To expand: WP:BLP includes "Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, it may include original research and unverifiable statements, and could lead to libel claims.". Even though the assertion that someone has an OU degree is probably unlikely to lead to a libel claim, the principle remains that the information should be sourced, ie a source cited for each fact stated. Just give us the references. PamD (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 15 - July 2009 June issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the fifteenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 6344 last month to 6538 on June 28th). We have recently overtaken WP:LONDON which has 6318 articles. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 39 out of a total number of 1862 articles. In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 45 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 44. If you would like to discuss changes to Priorities, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are sixteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) • Paulinus of York • Wilfred There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Siward Barn was promoted to GA on May 10th Oslac of York was promoted to GA on May 18th Thomas Ferens was promoted to GA on June 6th Wilfred was promoted to FA on June 9th Ilkley was nominated for GA on June 11th Sheffield was nominated for a FAR on June 18th Peak District was nominated for GA on June 18th York was submitted for a peer review on June 21st Member News There are now 64 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the June newsletter: nigelcoates (talk · contribs) No members left the project this month: Thanks There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs.  Great! WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big Thank you to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 9,835 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 94,675 Ω = 5.11 Assessment Assess and review As of 27 June, 2009, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however)  Thanks Written by Keith D and Harkey• Template by Jza84 | Single-Page View Would you like to write the next newsletter for WP:YORKS?? Please nominate yourself at WT:YORKS! New editors are always welcome! Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. 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You could move them. They only have coordinates in their title because at the time there was no other obvious way to dab them. Cheers and thanks for improving them. I'm sure that some deletionist was salivating over them.... :-) Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:14, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Giving you autoreviewed status basically means that a) you can be trusted to know what you're doing when you create a new article, and b) you create so many (articles or otherwise) that your name could flood the unpatrolled queue.

And you've created 388 new articles (and 1389 redirects) as of today. DS (talk) 00:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for stub-sorting an article I created: [7]. I've learned to navigate around the category structure and find categories to add to articles, but I don't know how to find out what types of stub templates are available. Is there a convenient list somewhere or something? Thanks. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 12:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

There's a list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/List of stubs. PamD (talk) 12:22, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I've made a note of that for future reference, for when I do new page patrol or occasionally create a new article myself. ☺Coppertwig (talk) 12:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

My error, thanks. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② ^talk 15:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I am trying to populate the state parks list for Colorado. Thank you for getting the colorado templates on it. I only know of one and they seem more suited to the cities then the parks. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your attention to the item at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. If I don't respond to your replies immediately, it is to provide an opportunity for other commentary (than mine:). Cheers. Proofreader77 (talk) 20:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Agree. I was building the article from a redlink on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mills. Do you want to do the switch now- I'ĺl hold off until it is done. --ClemRutter (talk) 11:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. PamD (talk) 11:15, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

hi, I had started an article about a social network and I was wondering if you would take a look at it to let me know how to change it so that it won't be deleted. I had tried a couple of times to start a stub and it was deleted so quickly that I didn't even have time to improve it. I was busy asking another editor for advice and when I went back to the page, it was gone and marked as advertising. I have a few more ideas for articles that aren't yet on wikipedia, but, I had so much frustration from my first article that I'm not sure what to do. If you have advice or could give me some tips, that would be really appreciated. It was very upsetting to have spent so much time working on it and then have someone remove it rather than to improve upon it or help. So, thank you for your help.Cheaperbydozen (talk) 12:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The main thing is to establish the WP:Notability of your topic, and then "verify" your information by showing references from WP:Reliable sources - newspaper articles etc are good, blogs and facebook etc not good. Beware of writing anything which might read as if it's a commercial for the network: straight facts only, no terms like "leading" or "excellent" unless you're quoting verbatim from a named source (as in "X, writing in Y, described it as "an excellent new approach to Z".", with a reference). Remember to indicate geographical context if any, remembering WP is international. Explain any terms which are technical or jargon. Perhaps start by adding a sourced fact or two to some existing articles, rather than creating a new article, and remember that no-one owns any article, so anything you start may be edited beyond all recognition by other people in ways you may or may not agree with, as long as they've got reliable sources for their contributions. I hope that helps. I know next to nothing about social networks, being only a very casual Facebook user. PamD (talk) 12:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

ok, thanks. I think that's kind of what I have done, but, my page was marked as spam. So, I put it in my sandbox to try to see whether people would maybe edit it or fix the bits that would sound like spam. I am thinking about trying to write about another social network to see if anyone flags it as spam or not because I had used something like 14 news references from sources like The Examiner and Scottish Television in my article. Thanks for anwering. Much appreciatedCheaperbydozen (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Please see reply at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthroponymy#dabs_and_name_lists. Regards Pwimageglow (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pam, when someone creates a WP account and immediately starts a vandalism spree, it is clear their intent is to harm the site, and they become a "vandalism only" account, which should be blocked. If the person behind the account decides at some future point to turn a new leaf and start editing WP constructively, they can register a new handle and start with a clean slate. Crum375 (talk) 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Are two edits a spree? In any case, it would be helpful to other editors if you'd leave a blocking message on the user's talk page so they know the situation. Thanks. PamD (talk) 07:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Even a single vandalism edit, if it's your first edit after creating an account, is "vandalism only". The point is, if you are starting a wiki-career, you need to decide what it's for: to build or to destroy. If it's the latter, you'll have to try again, with a fresh handle. If you see a red handle with only vandalism edits in their contribs, just click on their block history, and you'll typically see they have been blocked, along with the blocker's name, and rationale. Crum375 (talk) 10:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

On July 17, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Boy with the Leaking Boot, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 05:56, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, it’s a good informative article.--BSTemple (talk) 17:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		Whenever I create a new stub, you are there within minutes to add the correct stub tag, which I can never find. This is just to say that your work is appreciated. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 22:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I edited the Appletreewick page, adding that the village is in the West Riding of Yorkshire. I believe you then deleted this change.

This is an accurate addition. When the boundaries of the administrative counties of England were changed in 1974 the government made it very clear that the traditional counties had not been abolished. What had happened was that the traditional boundaries were no longer to be used for administrative purposes. Since the Local Government Act 1888 the traditional counties had been used for administrative purposes, but they were created between the ninth century and the twelfth century. The government was explicit on 1st April 1974 upon implementating of the Local Government Act 1972 when a Government Circular said:

"The new county boundaries are solely for the purpose of defining areas of ... local government. They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of Counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."

This circular is now fairly famous (at least amongst those of us who believe the counties should be recognised) and you can see it on the websites of the Association of British Counties (whose map of the British counties is widely used across the internet) the Yorkshire Ridings Society and the Friends of Real Lancashire.

I did not delete the reference to Craven District or North Yorkshire. I merely inserted the fact that these are administrative areas, which is entirely accurate. The entire country is divided up into administrative units for the purposes of local government and many areas, including Appletreewick, fall under two tiers of local authority administration. This does not change the fact the country is also divided up into traditional counties, which have - but not always - been used for administration. As a result of my changes the user was informed that Appletreewick is in the West Riding of Yorkshire and two levels of administrative area, Craven and North Yorkshire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidinwrofy (talk • contribs) 15:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Hiya Pam. I just did the Prior Pursglove College move and history merge. For future reference please take pity on us and use the full template parameters: ((db-move|PAGE TO BE MOVED HERE|REASON FOR MOVE)) so there's no hunting around for the move request, which is often not immediately obvious. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Will do in future - sorry about that. PamD (talk) 07:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

And have boldly amended WP:RM#Requesting_uncontroversial_moves to clarify this, as I don't think it's obvious (well, I would say that, as it wasn't obvious to me!). Hope it's approved. PamD (talk) 07:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

An excellent edit Pam. Thank you. I am a fierce enemy of the "we can't clutter the page up with too much detail" brigade, and have been involved in many skirmishes with the especially dangerous zombie warrior faction who run around screaming "bloat, bloat!" without analysis of necessity or utility. Someday, we will stand over their empty accounts in triumph and raise a flag:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:56, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Why can't we just make sections within The Others (film) regarding Nicholas and Anne?--Launchballer (talk) 07:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems the right idea - go for it! Then you could have redirects from their names to the appropriate sections of the article. PamD (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Pam

Thanks for your comments and work. I put him down as (theologian) because there was an article in the name which was previously deleted. Google shows a number of other Simon Chan's including another professor. So it seemed sensible. I have no idea what (Ag) stands for! But it is in the website that that particular info was trawled from!

Regards and thanks,

Springnuts (talk) 19:53, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know, and I will. The reason I moved the article is that there are four articles of the name "Benjamin Miller" or "Ben Miller" (and the figure skater is referred to as "Ben Miller" as often as "Benjamin"), so the figure skater is not the primary topic for that name. Kolindigo (talk) 07:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

That's great, thanks - not everyone does all the tidying up! PamD (talk) 14:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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The Yorkshire WikiProject Newsletter

The WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter Issue 16 - August 2009 July issue Got any suggestions? — Add them here Project News Welcome to the sixteenth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter. WP:YORKS is a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 6,538 last month to 6,651 on July 27th). WP:LONDON have had a major tagging spree by a bot and now have 12,595 articles which is twice as may as this project. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 39 out of a total number of 1,946 articles. In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 46 is just ahead of WP:GM who have 45. If you would like to discuss changes to Priorities, please join in at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire Currently there are sixteen Yorkshire featured articles: Sheffield • History of Sheffield • Sheffield Wednesday F.C. • York City F.C. • M62 motorway • Henry Moore • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • Caedmon • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop) • Paulinus of York • Wilfred There are also eight featured lists: List of York City F.C. Clubmen of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • York City F.C. seasons • Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. statistics and records • Leeds United A.F.C. seasons • Scarborough F.C. seasons Thank you and well done to all those who contributed. Article Activity Peak District passed a GA review on July 2nd Ilkley failed a GA review on July 19th Arctic Monkeys kept following GAR reassessment on July 21st York nominated for GA review on July 21st Geoffrey Boycott nominated for GA review on July 25th Member News There are now 65 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! A warm welcome to the new members that have joined us since the July newsletter: Fuchsia Perfect (talk · contribs) rfsmit (talk · contribs) One member left the project this month: Adamjhepton (talk · contribs) Thanks There has again been a number of suggestions on the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal and this has been kept up to date. The football and rugby editors have continued keeping abreast of most, if not all, of the top clubs.  Great! WikiProkject Yorkshire editors have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist. Thanks. A big Thank you to all the editors who help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed. Priority Articles The top priority articles that have been identified to date are as follows - Bradford • East Riding of Yorkshire • Henry Moore • Kingston upon Hull • Leeds • North Yorkshire • Ripon • Sheffield • South Yorkshire • Wakefield • West Yorkshire • William Wilberforce • York • Yorkshire • Yorkshire and the Humber The number has been kept deliberately low to give us a fighting chance of improving them to at least GA status, also so we can concentrate our efforts on these first. Yorkshire articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA ??? Total FA 2 1 15 58 76 FL 1 16 17 GA 3 8 36 173 220 B 9 63 132 336 540 C 3 142 287 1,440 1,872 Start 1 225 1,177 8,432 9,835 Stub 18 327 5,649 1 5,995 List 4 12 773 1 790 Category 1 3,810 3,811 Disambig 1 21 22 File 21 21 Portal 95 95 Project 220 220 Redirect 3 179 1,321 1,503 Template 1 8 431 159 599 Other 1 1 13 15 Assessed 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 Total 18 462 1,999 17,490 5,661 1 25,631 WikiWork factors (?) ω = 94,675 Ω = 5.11 Assessment Assess and review As of 31 July, 2009, we have assessed 100% of all articles with a project banner. (Some new and additional article talk pages may still require a banner however)  Thanks Aims After discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire in April 2008. Specific aims for the project are:- To complete tagging and assessment of all Yorkshire related articles (See below) To recruit more active editors (See Member News) To bring our top level article Yorkshire up to Featured article status To bring all other top priority articles (currently 15 with 2 at FA) to at least Good article status To set up a weekly or monthly selected article improvement drive To produce a regular news letter for circulation to members Images This month we focus on a recent requirement for images in articles—that of supplying alternative text for each of the images. This has been raised in FAC debates and is now a requirement for FA articles and as a result there is a general push to get all images marked-up. For example the ((Infobox UK place)) is currently undergoing changes in preparation for the use of alternative text on its images. Alternative text is text added to the image mark-up to describe the image to someone who cannot see the image. The alternative text is in addition to the caption and should not duplicate information in the caption. It should be added, without any wikimark-up or line-breaks in it, using the alt= parameter of the image mark-up. For more information on this see WP:ALT. Example [[Image:York castle exterior.jpg|thumb|100px|alt=A tall, circular, roofless building of honey coloured stone positioned on top of a high mound of grass.|The exterior of York Castle, including a large portion of the motte.]] (If you are using a standard graphical browser and want to read this image's alt text, ask the browser to display the image's properties. Usually right click, properties.) The same requirement is to be applied to Math-mode formulas but is probably less important to this project as very few of our articles contain such mark-up. Please remember... The project is subscribed to a clean-up listing which lists articles tagged with various clean-up tags that need attention. The listing is refreshed by a bot on a regular basis. The latest listing was created on June 18th. Monitor Use the watchlist to keep an eye on changes to the project's articles so that vandalism and spamming can be removed as quickly as possible. Infoboxes Many of our articles would benefit from the addition of an appropriate infobox. References Please remember that the list of stubs needing expansion is always in need of attention. Please take a look and see if you can help. One small edit, such as adding a reference section and reference, to an article each session would make a big difference. Moves Please be careful when performing articles moves and ensure that you also move all the talk sub-pages and update any image fair use rational. Otherwise the archives, to-do lists, assessment comments and GA reviews get lost and the image may be deleted as it has an incorrect FUR. 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Why did you move moved Political Quietism (Islam) to Political Quietism? With your edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Political_Quietism&diff=301265770&oldid=301248217 the article no longer makes sense since it talks exclusively about Islam. --BoogaLouie (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Why did you move moved Political Quietism (Islam) to Political Quietism? With your edit the article no longer makes sense since it talks exclusively about Islam. --BoogaLouie (talk) 19:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I moved it because there is no other article with the title "Political Quietism", so the disambiguation is not needed. If this term is only used in Islam, then the article should make this clear. And there was no point in asking me this twice, when I had announced that I was on a wikibreak! PamD (talk) 22:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

We've now completed adding all missing entries from this project. Well done! Boleyn (talk) 08:39, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I took the image name from Leodis.net. I am not sure what the historic names of these buildings are to be honest. Thanks for recommending I look on google earth. I believe the building in question became part of Kays Catalogues. When Kays closed, I worked in the building decommisioning the gas metering equipment and I can tell you the roof looked stunning from the inside, quite apart from the late 70s/early 80s red brick extention which has since been demolished. The mill is enourmous inside and I would be puzzled to think of a future use which wouldn't involve dividing up the hall, thus ruining the impact of the many glass domes. The mill is much larger on the inside then it would appear from outside and seeing it empty reminded me of those empty Detroit car factories on the news recently. Cheers. Mtaylor848 (talk) 23:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Pam. I'm tidying up some architectural stuff and came upon Kings Road yesterday. Aaaargh! Where are the apostrophe police? There's no doubt that it should be [[King's Road]] - Pevsner, London A-Z, etc. - and I'm sure that it's more notable than the other King's Roads on the dab page (which also contains an entry that isn't a place) and needn't be dab'd to, say, King's Road (Chelsea) - BUT the list of links to Kings Road looks daunting, and even worse is the list of links to the dab page. Any thoughts? I'd be happy to help with any cleaning up once a plan of action can be devised. Best, --GuillaumeTell 14:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm - not sure it's so cut and dried: Royal Mail postcode site doesn't have an apostrophe, and Google image search found me this street sign! But those other ones certainly should be "...(place)", not "..., place", and I've just fixed one mangled link and will check a few others. PamD (talk) 17:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Just tidied up various incoming links - all those which belong in Hong Kong now go there, and a couple of other odd ones resolved. And I've moved three pages, leaving some links going via redirects which in an ideal world I'd tidy up but which are pretty harmless as they still lead unambiguously to the right article. There are still a batch of incoming links to the dab page which belong in Chelsea. I think apostrophes are often omitted from street names... makes it really difficult to match street names against unsophisticated computer databases, eg "S(ain)t(.) Helen(')s Way"! So either we need to decide that that the Chelsea street's real name is grammatically correct and needs an apostrophe, in which case we need to move it over the dab page, and change the 50+ links which currently point to it, or we grit our teeth and leave it at the ungrammatical version, in which case there are 30-ish links currently pointing to the dab page which ought to go to Chelsea. Not sure what's best, really! PamD (talk) 19:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I've now cleaned up all the Chelsea links to "King's Road" to pipe them to "Kings Road" instead of to the dab page. It's not ideal, but if we wanted to call this article "King's Road" we'd have to move the dab page and fend off the arguments of those who wouldn't agree Chelsea to be the primary usage. It would be less controversial to move it to King's Road (Chelsea), though perhaps it ought to be King's Road (London)? I leave it to you to do that if you want - at least everything is now consistently linked, so that any moves ought to be straightforward! PamD (talk) 10:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all this. Now that you've created King's Road (disambiguation), that leaves King's Road free to become the name of the article, with Kings Road as a redirect. I'll volunteer to alter all the "Kings Road"s in the afticle to "King's Road"! --GuillaumeTell 18:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Not so simple: King's Road (disambiguation) is just a redirect to the dab page at King's Road (as per WP:INTDABLINK - makes it easier to check for accidental links to dab pages if all the intentional ones are via that redirect). So to do anything more you'd need to (a) decide/establish that the Chelsea street is the Primary Usage for "King's Road" , (b) move the King's Road dab page to King's Road (disambiguation) over the redirect, (c) move Kings Road to King's Road, and (d) change all the links which currently point to "Kings Road" to point to "King's Road". PamD (talk) 07:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I might have a go when I've got a couple of days to burn, and I am firmly of the view that the road in Chelsea is THE King's Road. But is (d) correct? Wouldn't Kings Road turn into a redirect to King's Road once (c) had been done? --GuillaumeTell 13:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I suppose it would, but you'd then be claiming the Chelsea road as the Primary Usage of both "King's Road" and "Kings Road". My instinct would have been to make "Kings Road" into a redirect to the "King's Road (disambiguation)" page, and update all the links (including those which I edited y'day to pipe them from King's Road to Kings Road). It's a bit of a mess - fortunately there don't seem to be any "Kings' Road"s around to join in the fun! PamD (talk) 21:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, then, if, as I assert, the Chelsea road is the Primary Usage of "King's Road" - and no-one challenged the primacy of "Kings Road" during its long and ignorantly spelt history - then everyone will be satisfied. Anyway, it's too late to mess about with this tonight, but tomorrow is another day!. Thanks for sorting out my ideas, and of course I'll take the rap if it all goes pear-shaped. --GuillaumeTell 21:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Step (b) worked but step (c) didn't, so I've requested the move at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_requests(!) The saga continues. Incidentally, the Kings Road article is longer than all the others on the dab page put together. --GuillaumeTell 17:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but by "move", I didn't necessarily mean "move it yourself"! Because you're moving it to a name which has a history (as opposed to something which was only ever a redirect to the thing you're moving to it), it's not a d-i-y move but needs to go via that procedure. Sorry I didn't make that clear! PamD (talk) 17:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

I've corrected the spelling in the Kings Road article itself - the only ref therein is to a London plan doc which confirms (pp415-6) that the version with apostrophe is right - I think that trumps the Royal Mail postcode d'base and street sign. Probably. PamD (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks, but I was prepared to do that (after the page move). As far as the name is concerned, what is required is reliable printed sources. Pevsner and the London A-Z are good enough for me. --GuillaumeTell 21:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

All fixed now. There are, of course, numerous links to Kings Road, but WP:NOTBROKEN applies, so I think all that needs doing is whatever it is that you need to do to make links to the dab page go through a redirect. --GuillaumeTell 13:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Is the article in the clear now? Someone added a source - and I should add more; I just can't find the time. Ethan Watters (talk) 10:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks OK now - earlier version just didn't actually say anything or offer any source. Thanks. PamD (talk) 21:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Dear PamD,

Apologies for what may be an unusual request, but I'm Michael Freeman, the photographer and author that since March 2009 has been an entry in Wikipedia. I have to admit I know nothing about contributing to Wikipedia, and I note that 'autobiographies are discouraged'. However, as a limited entry exists, I'd certainly like to see it as accurate and, out of self-interest to be honest, expanded. Or at least, thorough.

Looking at the history tab I see that you did a little editing on the page. Could I ask your advice for how to provide information that someone could use to correct and fill out the entry? I was born in 1945, not 1960, for instance. And have published 109 books to date.

I see you are from Leeds - my mother also.

I'm currently in China for a few weeks, but have e-mail access most of the tine

My contact details are:-

4 Callcott Street London W8 7SU tel: 020 7229 3977 mobile: 07770431547 office email: michaelhfreeman@btinternet.com personal email: michael@michaelhfreeman.com website: michaelfreemanphoto.com teaching website: thefreemanview.com

Best Regards, Michael Freeman Michaelhfreeman (talk) 02:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Michael, Information about living people has to be verifiable and will be removed if contentious and unsourced. Some anonymous person changed your birth date, and I've reverted that now having found evidence (British Library catalogue) to confirm 1945. I think they were probably just some random person making a random change, and things like that aren't always picked up unless anyone has the page on their "Watch list". You should add the page to your watchlist, and check in regularly to see if anyone has amended it... or, if you don't want to spend too much of your life on Wikipedia, you could use the amazing http://www.changedetection.com/monitor.html site, which sends you an email when the page you're interested in is changed.

I've added a bit about the OCA. I think "over 100" covers 109 OK, but have listed a handful of books and given a link to the BL catalogue which lists 86. I think that's probably enough from me.

There's general useful info at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help. PamD (talk) 08:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)