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Reason
Not only is this of exceptional quality for something created before 1400, but it also depicts a specific event during the siege—a leading official's failed attempt to escape by boat (center right), and was composed for the Jami' al-tawarikh, a very important work of literature. Thus, it holds great historical importance.
In principle, this would be an excellent and amazing FP, but there's an extreme amount of JPEG artefacting. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 11:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support high-res JPEG Sorry I didn't just do it meself, it's been a day Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 07:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support high-res JPEG – Yann (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support high-res JPEG. MER-C 17:29, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support high-res JPEGKymothoë (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Galahs are very common and relatively friendly birds, so we should be able to get a much better photo than this of them. 04:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Would you reject this one? These birds are common, but no Australian has managed to take a better shot than these two. Charlesjsharp (talk) 11:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a nicer shot, but I'd suggest a tighter crop here. Nick-D (talk) 00:11, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I mean, I think it's good. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 08:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
High quality image or rare bird about which little is know (hence the stub article). FP on Commons. This was Red List classified Near Threatened until 2019. It is hard to understand why the classification was changed.
Support. Charles, the criteria that led to the Red List classification change are set out in the 2019 report, including a relatively large range and an apparently stable population. Because the reported range has expanded significantly with more northerly records in Colombia, and because the species has turned out to be pretty easy to find and photograph in the right habitat once people started actively looking for it, I think the general consensus is that there are a lot more of them out there than one might have guessed from the fact that the first modern record was in 1971. Hence the progressive downgrading over the years from Vulnerable to Near Threatened to Least Concern (although I gather that not everyone agrees with the assessment). Cheers, Choliamb (talk) 18:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. MER-C 11:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Some readers may interpret this composite as six kangaroos. Potentially misleading, IMO. – Sca (talk) 13:50, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - well, I thought it was a mob at first... but that problem is fixed with a simple addition to the caption: Successive photos of ... --Janke | Talk 20:56, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 20:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Curtis was important in the early documentation of Native American tribes. Good EV. And an interesting visage. (Cool hat!) – Sca (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
Decent quality satellite photograph (5,699 × 3,206 pixels). Passes all eight parts of FP criteria and has high historical value for the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel. Image has also been used by multiple media outlets, showing the value of it. Example being this CNN article, which uses the image as the news article "cover" image.
Comment: Is it possible to remove the caption and logo? – Howard🌽33 07:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, would say that's the minimal action before it could be considered for promotion. I'm also concerned that fire does not appear to be a major part of the incidents. There's some discussion of homes being set on fire, but not much, so it needs more clarity about what's set fires, what's incidental fire from rockets, etc. Were all the fires set by Hamas, or are some from Israeli forces? If the former, all's well, but... I mean, maybe it's great, but from a non-expert view... Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 19:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Wikipedia should avoid possible controversy. Charlesjsharp (talk) 10:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Visual information not readily intelligible to general readers/viewers. (Agree with Charles – could be misconstrued as POV.) – Sca (talk) 14:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn — Clearly not ready for FP yet due to logo and caption on image. Noting I highly disagree with it having the potential to be “POV”, given the event related to this image ended over 3 months ago, so “POV” issues are merely opinions without policy backing. Nonetheless, not FP ready. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:44, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, main page play (presentation) might be misconstrued as POV. -- Sca (talk) 22:22, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see a bit more explanation of the image. If the caption is misleading, that could be POV, and the article, as I said, talks about fires in a few isolated cases, but not enough to really explain the image. It's not very well documented beyond "This is a satellite view from this day" and "You can see fires in it"; I think it reasonable to expect more, like linking at least most of the fires to incidents. Because this is worse than your average primary source as it stands: its only value is in the interpretation, so there's a risk of Original Research. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 11:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I processed this image and while I am grateful for the nomination and see no POV problems I support the decision to not make this a featured picture.
The description on the image is limited to what basically says "fires can be seen" on purpose because from a single satellite image, without further local context, it is almost impossible to determine the cause of a fire. Could have been a mortar shell, a rocket, lightning, electrical failure, or someone with a lighter setting a fire. While this picture certainly has some historical value, it should go along with a well researched news article in proper context. And though you could draw conclusions from the sudden appearance of so many fires at once, especially compared to the average day, this would still leave room for a lot of interpretation.
Additionally the image being a composite of natural colors and infrared, it should be noted that the "fires" that can be seen here are just areas of high IR emissions, which is a well-established technique to detect fires from space. However, this is not what the region would look like from space, as most, if not all of these fires were too small to be seen clearly (or at all) in natural colors from space. That is another thing that I believe would have to be communicated to the average viewer and makes using an image like this one even more cumbersome. PierreMarkuse (talk) 04:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Minor enough damage that, while it might benefit, it doesn't need restoration. SupportAdam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 11:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 11:20, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Detailed capture of Chief Joseph, probably showing his features better than some other period pics, such as this one (featured in Battle of the Clearwater). Now leads target bio infobox. A hero to Native Americans. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. Think the 1874 pic has some justification for the events in 1874. The old lead image, though, was a photograph of a drawing - or at minimum, a photo so extremely retouched by Victorians to be indistinguishable from one[1] - which is surely the worst possibility Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 18:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Book: Merril Beal: I Will Fight No More Forever: Chief Joseph and the Nez Perce War (1963). – Sca (talk) 15:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. MER-C 19:09, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Yann (talk) 09:35, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca, MER-C, Yann, and Charlesjsharp: Made a few additional fixes to the light spot in the upper left: It varies between copies of this, and the copy from the Smithsonian is on the most visible side. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 17:31, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment An interesting image but does not significant EV to any of the articles and should not be i Hillbilly Highway. Charlesjsharp (talk) 13:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. -- Sca (talk) 14:55, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was already in the Hillbilly Highway article. I'll remove it. I'll have to disagree with you on the EV, as I do believe it illustrates both articles well, especially the History of coal miners article. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 15:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why isn't it in the photographer's article? Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 11:06, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure. I'll add it to the articles image gallery if that's okay. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 15:40, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have the issue that this is a fantastic image, but is blown out of the water for EV in most articles it's in. I'm going to have to Weak Support, and that mainly for Wheelwright, Kentucky, but, even there, this is better. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 18:55, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Losing the "Weak" per Bammesk. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 14:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – This is a good lead image in the History of coal miners article. I prefer it as the infobox image over this, which can be FP on its own merit in the Inland Steel Company article and elsewhere. Bammesk (talk) 15:48, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Yann (talk) 16:06, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – A variable ongoing spot news event, and as such inappropriate as an FP candidate. – Sca (talk) 20:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This isn't FAC. We can use documentary photos here, as long as there's reasonable chance of them remaining. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 11:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As was often said in our past, "Wikipedia is not a news ticker." This scene could change any day and quite likely will due to the vagaries of war. And IMO, main page play might be misconstrued as POV. -- Sca (talk) 14:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Fulfills all criteria: well-composed and effective, clear encyclopedic value. Regarding the changing situation: it seems likely that articles on this topic will proliferate as more historically significant events happen, along the lines of what we have seen with Russian invasion of Ukraine, which now encompasses I don't know how many lengthy sub-articles. Therefore, it is reasonably likely that this image will continue to be used prominently in some articles. Regarding the main page: it will be several years before it gets there, at current rates, and we have had other powerful images of still-controversial wars on the main page before (this one, for example, or this). Our readers are capable of distinguishing between documentation and advocacy. blameless 02:10, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In all fairness, those wars have ended. Is there a precedent for giving FP status to ongoing conflicts? – Howard🌽33 21:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Iraq War had a bunch. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 00:28, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think Wikipedia should stay well out of possible controversy. Charlesjsharp (talk) 11:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to note, this image is used on over 50 pages across the Wikipedia and was the image noted in the Top 25 Report when the Israel–Hamas war was the 14th most viewed article during a week. If one image being promoted to FP is "controversy", why is it not controversy to have it on that many pages and a Top 25 report? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:24, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone, particularly those with a distinct PoV, can edit Wikipedia and there is no voting to monitor it; only a revert which itself courts controversy. Charlesjsharp (talk) 11:44, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Howard🌽33 21:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The caption is obviously wrong as no people are shown in the image, and it can't be promoted with this. Ping me when this is corrected. Nick-D (talk) 00:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick-D: isn't the person behind the camera part of the inspection, though? Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 17:37, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, not really. Nick-D (talk) 09:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick-D: Well, I've gone ahead and fixed it. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 17:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Now the caption is corrected, this image clearly illustrates what multiple RS have described as the level of destruction across much of Gaza so has strong EV. The photo is also well executed technically. Nick-D (talk) 09:22, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support High EV. – Yann (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Damage in Gaza Strip during the October 2023 - 29.jpg --ArmbrustTheHomunculus 14:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Charles. These kinds of illuminated night scenes have plenty of uses (postcards, travel brochures), but the EV is relatively low compared to equally detailed photographs taken in good daylight (like the same author's photo in the infobox of the article). Two night images in the article is at least one too many. Choliamb (talk) 14:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I disagree that night photos are categorically lesser. If they are well done and well lit, they can be FPs. Bammesk (talk) 16:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I dislike colors, blue is to strong and same with yellow on walls. --Petar Milošević (talk) 11:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Per Charles. That will have better EV that this night time shot. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a heads up, I've distributed it to a few more articles. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 23:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
@TheFreeWorld, MER-C, Vinícius94, Hamid Hassani, Charlesjsharp, FatCat96, and PetarM: I've done an alt, mainly because I think the sky was blown out in the original version - lots of textureless whites. I'd Support Alt, but I really apoloise if this is late and thus disruptive. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 23:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt I saw some too stong contrast and colors lost and highlithed on 1st edition. So this ALT is better. --Petar Milošević (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt – Agreed. Yann (talk) 13:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Extremely familiar photo that smacks of propaganda. The gutted Reichstag bldg. had never been repaired after the famous Reichstag fire in 1933. 'Conquering' it in 1945 was a stunt for Soviet uses. – Sca (talk) 16:03, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca: I think you have a point, but given there's an article on the photo, I think that there's sufficient context. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 20:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Raising a flag over the Reichstag - Restoration.jpg --ArmbrustTheHomunculus 02:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
For battles in the Crusades, there's going to be accuracy issues with any image, and this is not an exception, but this is, at least, from a work considered one of the materpieces of mediaeval manuscript illustration. Also, if an illustration is going to be inaccurate, I'd rather it be stylised like this, so it's patently clear it's inaccurate.
Support Interlink wasnt correct, solved now. At least check next time.--Petar Milošević (talk) 11:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that. It's kind of awkward that it's the only type of bad link that shows blue. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 14:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
Nice illustration to a deep topic. Article's well worth reading. Would have preferred a higher resolution scan, but think the detail's all there, given the size of the woodblock carvings.
Comment@Adam Cuerden: Is the source link to Georgia State University on the Commons file page correct? When I try it I get blocked with a notice that a login is required for access to "restricted or unpublished collections". Choliamb (talk) 14:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Choliamb: I thought it was, but I've updated it to the exact link I used. Could've sworn I clicked through with the old link, but guess not. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 17:29, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Sharper than the infobox image by Harrison (which is a lovely photo, and was FP in 2011, but camera technology marches on ...) Choliamb (talk) 14:54, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, John Harrison has not uploaded new images of common birds; he is too busy getting new rare ones and is relaxed about his old ones being superseded... Charlesjsharp (talk) 23:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Subject is hidden and I doubt the EV. Need another angle, preferably with less hindrances. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 11:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've taken the liberty of renaming the file to something that's a little more meaningful. If three "e"s in a row is, in fact, correct, I apologise. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 23:10, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This could probably be cropped a bit more evenly, and you could use the dodge tool to fix the edges a bit because of the shading in the corners, but that last is something I only got half-decent at last year, and don't know if anyone else notices. It's a quality restoration. Support, but would suggest a trim to make left and right edges equal width. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 16:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but strongly agree with Adam about recropping to make the margins even. The unbalanced borders are distracting and give the image as a whole a slightly careless appearance, which is a shame when the quality is otherwise so good. Choliamb (talk) 22:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Choliamb: After asking Ezarate's permission, I've done so. You may need to purge the page. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 20:22, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me. Thanks, Choliamb (talk) 23:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
High-quality (3,000 x 2,000), beautifully composed, amazing colors (showing the otjize worn by the woman). Shows a member of each sex, with faces visible. As an illustration of Himba dress, appearance, and lifestyle (these two are herders), it adds great encyclopedic value.
Support as nominator – Zanahary (talk) 06:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Poor technical quality, over-saturated colours. Surprised that the printed butterflies are claimed to be traditional dress. Charlesjsharp (talk) 10:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – At full size the details aren't sharp, especially the woman (who is out of focus). Otherwise I would have supported. Good EV and excellent composition though. Bammesk (talk) 01:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm tempted to add this photo to the article Kite as well, as an illustration of the final sentence in the first paragraph. It's a particularly kite-like kite! Choliamb (talk) 01:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. That's a beauty. BD2412T 02:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While I do believe it’s a lovely image, and I do like the flowers, I have to agree with Nick on this. As Nick stated, an FP of a lorikeet should depict the animals behaviors in an eye-catching way, this photo does not, therefore reluctant oppose. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 06:34, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Depicting animals behaviours? Have you looked at FPs of Australian birds? What sort of behaviour are you looking for. THis comment makes zero sense. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My comment makes perfect sense. Lorikeets are very playful, comical, photogenic, and friendly birds, and I think an FP of a lorikeet should depict that. I also don't like how the flowers obscure the feet of the bird. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 06:08, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unremarkable photo of an extremely common Australian bird with no fear at all of humans. A FP of a Rainbow lorikeet should be much more eye-catching than this and/or better depict their behaviours. Note that there are a vast number of photos of these very photogenic and friendly birds at Commons. Nick-D (talk) 09:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please tell us which of the hundreds of images of this bird that you think are better than this image. I couldn't find one. Charlesjsharp (talk) 13:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you're hoping to achieve with responses like this. Nick-D (talk) 10:09, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What I'm hoping to achieve? I'm trying to get you to justify your oppose vote. This request has been ignored. If you cannot justify your vote, or refuse to - in this case by indicating which of the many competing images you prefer - then you vote could be considered disruptive. So please respond. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FP voters don't need to nominate better images when they post an oppose vote. This image does not meet the FP standards as it is not a good photo of these incredibly common and easy to photograph birds (wild lorrikeets will happily sit on your hand if you offer them food, for instance). Nick-D (talk) 03:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All objections should be accompanied by a specific rationale that, if addressed, would make you support the image. (Per FPC guidelines) Sorry, but it's not a good photo is such a carpet term, providing no rationale whatsoever, far from specificity. Charles is a veteran FP nominator/creator and I'm pretty sure they won't pick a random picture for nomination. Plus your rationale sounds very close to IDONTLIKEIT. Not something I would expect from a sysop or someone with experience. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:10, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read my oppose vote, where I explain just that. I'm also not sure what you're hoping to achieve by hectoring? Nick-D (talk) 04:44, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – I don't understand the oppose!votes. They sound like WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The image is really good and it doesn't matter if there are a million photos of Parakeets on Commons. EV is specific for this image and it is clearly fulfilled here. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nick-D is an admin so he must he know how to behave here. Let's wait for his explanation. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kind of neutral on this one: Well photographed, but having part of his body behind the plant is kind of awkward. It's kind of cute, though, and maybe even interestingly composed. Or maybe awkwardly? I keep changing my mind. Very right-balanced, anyway. Perhaps if you cropped a little on the left? It does make it feel more balanced (see example) Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 22:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The very cautiously cropped version looks good, too. Support either one. – Sca (talk) 15:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Interesting but limited EV in the articles. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Didn't know it was cropped. Charlesjsharp (talk) 21:37, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Lacks gravitas. EV doubtful. – Sca (talk) 13:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Crops out the caption (where the joke is), and edges. No real need to not show the full page, for that matter. Also, kind of bluish. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 17:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Alt is absolutely loaded with JPEG artefacts, though. Should probably grab one from the LoC TIFF. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 16:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch. I missed that. The LOC original is much better. It needs a bit of touching up. I can get it in the next day or two, if you Adam or FatCat96 don't do it first. I changed my vote to Conditional support for now.Bammesk (talk) 01:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I fear: Colours are clearly highly changed by paper yellowing. I've done some experiments, and - while it would need a ton of edge cleanup due to vignetting at the edges, a simple bracketing of R G and B individually, setting white and black to maximum and minimum with content, gives highly believable colours Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 04:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you and nice restoration. I've been so busy lately, I haven't had much time to restore anything. Also, GIMP has suddenly stopped working for me, and I'm trying to figure out how to fix it. I hope to get back to restoring more images once everything is resolved. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 16:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adam, that's a support from me for Alt 2, as well as any other version you might upload. Let me know if a PNG version of 'Alt 1' can be of any use to you and I will upload it. Thanks for your input and your work. Bammesk (talk) 01:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose I can Support Alt 2. Probably too late for the upload of the PNG, though: I'd have to restart work. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 18:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – The former Habsburg crown prince seems a rather obscure political figure of scant EV to present-day readers, given his quixotic post-WWI pronouncements. – Sca (talk) 15:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the face is actually interesting -- but it's such a small part of the photo. -- Sca (talk) 15:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fair point. I kind of wonder if this wasn't intentionally based on some photo from his youth. This feels very 1920s/30s. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 16:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A very good choice; but, this file is a FP of the place which was promoted in October 2012. – Hamid Hassani (talk) 04:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator – Yann (talk) 13:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Subject has been photographed thousands of times over the last six decades. – Sca (talk) 15:05, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good thumbnail but at full size (even at 50%), it's too soft. She is well photographed, so a better (sharper) photo can be expected. Sorry, but reluctant Oppose. Bammesk (talk) 01:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the truly iconic photograph of Baez is this one. Our copy is poorly edited, but it would be worthwhile to start over from the tiff file, which can be found here. blameless 02:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
A fine photograph of a notable actress. I think I've said before that I decide whether to crop the cabinet card mount based on the amount of detail (they can range from blank to elaborate signatures and captions), the state of the card mount, and, sometimes, whether we want the card mount for the photographer's article. The mount was pretty mangled in this copy; cut to a weird shape with scissors or something. I didn't think I could accurately fix Mora's mangled signature, so I cropped to the photo. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 04:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Detail average for late 19th C., but interesting bio article on a woman who was an opera singer, author and journalist. – Sca (talk) 15:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now support either image. See below. -- Sca (talk) 13:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. Also, much better than anything we had before, which is a point in its favour, albeit not enough on its own to promote an image. dp.la has a Napoleon Sarony portrait which has its charms as well; might try to bring that one over so we at least have her at a second angle. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 16:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That one's very nice, too, because of the angle of the comp. -- Sca (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. If we were a little more willing to promote two similar images... Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 20:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I sorta prefer the other pose, but I guess the first one has more detail. -- Sca (talk) 22:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support either – Bammesk (talk) 03:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prefer original, initially I preferred the Alt, but the more I look at the original, the more I like it. Bammesk (talk) 15:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment@Adam Cuerden: Currently both images have 8 supports and it is impossible to determine which image should be promoted without additional input from the participants of the discussion. Regards, ArmbrustTheHomunculus 16:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust:, would it help if I simply cancelled my support for the orig? Or is it too late for something like that? -- Sca (talk) 13:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust: That's what I feared. I presume promoting both isn't an option? Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 17:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extend the nom, prolly. Or ping the participants for consensus. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, for the record, I slightly prefer the first, especially as - presuming both are going to be in the article - the alt should probably be the second due to the "face text when possible" rule, and, honestly, the fadeout of her below the shoulders in the second, while common in the time period, seems to go a little too far, like the fade out was meant for an oval mount, but wasn't mounted in one, so it ends a little too abruptly - maybe that's just me. They're both good images, mind, and we could call them a set, but I didn't nominate it as such. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 03:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust and Adam Cuerden: I see 7 supports for the Alt, not 8. Charles, Choliamb, and VulcanSphere clearly did not support the Alt. VulcanSphere clearly could have supported the Alt, as did 6 editors prior, but they did not. We shouldn't second guess their vote. On a different note, my vote above now indicates a preference. Bammesk (talk) 15:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let's do this properly. @Charlesjsharp, Sca, Moonreach, MER-C, and VulcanSphere: Would you please state your preferences? I've only pinged those who haven't voted unambiguously for one option; add pings if I missed anyone. (I left out Bammesk because he commented already). Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 19:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really do support both, but if rules force this to be an either/or situation then I pick the alt, and I'll leave a new vote to affirm that at the bottom. Moonreach (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bammesk My opinion regarding this is, that if someone says "support" at a time an alternative wasn't added yet, that only applies to the original, but if it's added after the alt is already present, than it applies for both. Regards, ArmbrustTheHomunculus 19:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Armbrust: Ok, that's your opinion. You are saying that your definition of support changes during the 10-day course of a nomination. I think that's a bad idea. It's not in the WP:FPC instructions or FP criteria, and I am not aware of any discussion or consensus that allows for changing the definition of 'support' midway a nomination. The onus is on the voters to express themselves. When a voter doesn't express themselves in regard to an Alternate image, we shouldn't assume that they have expressed themselves, by "changing the definition of support" midway a nomination. Regards. Bammesk (talk) 03:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt – unambiguously. – Sca (talk) 14:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt if this has to be an either/or situation. If we're allowed to try to promote both pictures at once, I'd still like to do that. Moonreach (talk) 19:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a tie or stalemate, perhaps we could ask @Armbrust: to cast the deciding vote. He's certainly got the the requsite experience. -- Sca (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Blanche Roosevelt by Napoleon Sarony.jpg --ArmbrustTheHomunculus 19:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
The high-quality image (5,464 × 3,640 pixels) passed a Commons Featured Picture vote 13 to 1. It also has high encyclopedic value in relation to one of the most famous tornadoes in the last decade. A reverse image search shows the image is used by various media outlets and even Penn State University. One media outlet used the image two years after the tornado ([1]), proving the high-encyclopedic value of it.
Being used two years later by a RS I think means it is not ephemeral. I respect your opinion and !vote, but I think it lacks any backing. The image is used on four pages, including the town’s article which was leveled by the tornado & the article featured on Wikipedia’s ITN. You aren’t required to reply at all, but I would love to hear some additional backing for why you consider a photograph with 2-year usage from an event to be a short-lived news photograph and why usage on the four articles does not give it much EV? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca, I think you should've done some research before posting your oppose vote. This was a major, once in a lifetime event with long lasting effects. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 20:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Urban weather damage, at least in developed countries, is nearly always ephemeral. Are you saying that this section of Mayfield still looks like this? (BTW, this user is a former Ky. resident.) -- Sca (talk) 14:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So your argument is based on whether the town still looks like it instead of something like whether it has a lasting historical impact? This ain’t notability for an article, but it seems weird that your reasoning is ignoring lasting historical usage and going with more or less “eh, developed nation had damage, just a media cycle” style of reasoning. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow. -- Sca (talk) 16:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Very strong support – Major event with a long lasting effect, definitely not ephemeral. Very high EV in all the articles. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 20:37, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – I think it's too visually noisy to read well at the size featured pictures are displayed. Granted, this is a photograph of something that's inherently messy, but the destruction is so complete that I can't really reconstruct the tornado's path. The only intact structures are far away in the background. Moonreach (talk) 15:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Rembrandt Harmensz. van Rijn - The Abduction of Europa - Google Art Project.jpg --ArmbrustTheHomunculus 19:39, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Historic and funny, but regretfully below par resolution for FP. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 15:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per FP criteria, exceptions can be made to the rule of size for historic and unique images. No one can deny this has high EV, and a look at the image’s history on the commons indicates it was above the size criteria until July 2022, when it was replaced with this one which has one dimension pass the criteria. Just wanted to point that out. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be true for a stamp from, let's say, 1940s. This is a stamp from yesteryear, where a high quality scan is quite possible. Please have a look at Wikipedia:Featured_pictures#Currency for some specimen of what we are looking for in a FP. Thanks. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Poor specimen of the stamp. Poor scan. Charlesjsharp (talk) 16:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Way too POV for a TFP. – Sca (talk) 19:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – there is a white vertical streak under the base of the bottle, it can be removed. A similar one in the original (bottom right corner) was removed. On a sidenote, when restoring, it's best to start from the original tiff, rather than a jpeg. Bammesk (talk) 02:07, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While one has to be careful people don't stop looking African-American, this does feel like it's rather low contrast, nothing lighter than a dull grey. Maybe play with the white and midpoints of the levels a little? Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 17:38, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not mine, I fear. But trying some things, it honestly looks like setting the white point pretty near the brightest point in the image will largely fix this. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 04:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose I like old shots, but still isnt as it could be, unsharp, like fuzzed. --Petar Milošević (talk) 17:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – A good nomination, but the haziness and the unsharp details is commendable. Yes, it resonates with the time period and the style of the photo, but we have had older and sharper FPs. Also, per Adam's comment on contrast and white balance. Another point, negligible yet important IMO, is the angle of the subject. It kinda reduces the EV for a lead image of a GA.The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
It's a little undersized, but I think it has pretty much all the actual detail, and it's about like, 585dpi or so, which really isn't bad. A bit zoomed in, but that does help justify the size: Her face probably occupies more pixels than a lot of images we've promoted that technically have much larger dimensions. Undeniably the best available photo of her.
Support. What a beautiful photograph. And yes, educator is a much better classification, since that's clearly what she considered herself to be and how she would have wanted to be remembered. It's a shame that educators are lumped into the miscellaneous "Others" category along with carpenters, haberdashers, and cod fishermen, rather than having a category of their own. Maybe there should be a general "Academic" category for teachers, scholars, educational reformers, etc.? Choliamb (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. I think we split "Others" whenever we have enough. Think we do? Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 20:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably not. I suppose I should put my money where my mouth is and search for more academic images to nominate. But to do that I'd have to overcome my profound laziness, which doesn't seem likely to happen. Choliamb (talk) 22:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of them might be elsewhere, of course, as there is a tendency to classify someone anywhere that's better than "Others" Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 02:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca, The Herald, and Choliamb: Made a couple more fixes: There were a couple scratches I hesitated with, but, after reviewing other photos, they're clearly damage. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 07:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Too bad we don't have a picture this good from the height of her career (oy), but thems the breaks. blameless 16:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. Luckily, we can always add photos if they come up. Don't think this is going to leave the article, just might move to second photo if we get a good one from a later period. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 16:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And luckily, it's an utterly charming photo (despite DOF issue at lower right). -- Sca (talk) 16:08, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think they got a bit better at having a wider depth of field in the time after File:Blanche Roosevelt by Napoleon Sarony.jpg, but I don't think it was much larger, since the aperture likely still needed to be fairly large to have enough light get in within a reasonable timeframe. The chemistry improved by 1930, but this was primarily used to reduce the time of exposure. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 21:10, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – The trees are lil bit distracting in the background, but not a limiting factor. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
Another of my "photos of photographers", this was one of the major photographers of the American Civil War, and I think the photo - although the cardstock grain certainly could have been better - is a very good one. Cropped to the photo itself since there was nothing significant whatsoever about the mount (a plain bit of very dirty card with a badly centred double-line border (which doesn't quite fit the card, leading to it becoming single-lined for much of the sides), and no text or decoration). I've said my way of evaluating whether to crop the mount before, but I think it's amply clear why this one loses.
Comment Support – Historical EV. Fermi's work was cited in Einstein's pivotal letter to FDR regarding prospects for an atomic (fission) bomb. – Sca (talk) 14:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditionalsupport, if it's restored. (now it's restored, so support). Bammesk (talk) 03:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Also Yann should be credited for the restoration (TheFreeWorld you may add it in the nomination, in the creator listing). The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm not a fan of artificial backgrounds - there are a few small errors where the cut-out has been missed. Charlesjsharp (talk) 13:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Per Charles. Looks sort of artificial. – Sca (talk) 13:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – This type of background makes sense for certain subjects [2][3]. I see no missed cut-outs. Taking an exception to the 1500px criterion because of the unusual tall aspect ratio. Bammesk (talk) 03:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a note showing where the missed cutouts are Bammesk. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it now. They are too small to change my vote. But if there is a consensus to remove them, I be happy to do it. Bammesk (talk) 01:30, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – For me, this is a near-perfect example of the kind of professionally made photos of everyday objects we need on the Wikimedia projects, and of which we have so few. --Gnom (talk) 22:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per Gnom. – Yann (talk) 12:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree about the excessive perspective distortion. Don't understand the Criterion 3 comment. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. -- Sca (talk) 13:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Perspective distortion, indistinct background. (See Criterion No. 3.) – Sca (talk) 13:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Unanimously featured in Commons is not exactly a reason for FPC in enwiki. Also, the very evident distortion and unsharp details towards the ends. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a crop, but checking the original, that is a very justified crop, even if I'd prefer a little less cropping. Certainly unusable in the original form! Support though I'd like better documentation. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 00:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, what is this from? It's similarly sized, but less grainy than the original from the source. Bags under eyes are a lot shinier. What's going on? Is it just a levels adjustment? I think so, but I can't get this with any basic adjustment. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 04:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Not a great reproduction per Adam. I honestly like this image, I like it a lot, very high EV. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 01:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful oppose – Historical image but poor FPC reproduction The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid that's not a great reproduction: Damage should never be blurry Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 00:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Iconic image, but not FP. Too many flaws and annotation top right. Charlesjsharp (talk) 14:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Photo has been reproduced countless times since the event, becoming effectively a bromide (in journalism, a cliché). – Sca (talk)
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Reason
I'm renominating this image after it failed to reach quorum back in February. This is a high resolution and good quality photograph of Kenvir, Kentucky, a small community in the hills of Harlan County, Kentucky. The community is a coal camp that was founded by the Black Mountain Coal Company in 1919. You can see the company houses in the background.
Comment – I am leaning to oppose. There is too much perspective distortion and leaning of verticals. Usually I don't care about such things in historic images, but in this case, the distortion can be corrected (or improved) in an editing software. Bammesk (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The perspective is better, but the sharpness is now worse, see for example the vertical grooves on the face of the buildings. I gave it a try as well Here. Yours is sharper though. I am neutral for now. I struck that part of my comment above. Bammesk (talk) 01:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bammesk, I had a go trying to improve the sharpness. Check this image out and tell me what you think. Regards. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 02:42, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's a bit excessive. Check out the third version from the bottom Here, it has your username in the Comment column. I took your file here, I masked out the darker areas, then I applied very light sharpening. I prefer it. For all practical purposes it's your file, so if you approve of it, take it and copy it as yours (no need to credit me). Support either, but prefer this version. Bammesk (talk) 04:02, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – At 132 words, target article is rather stumpy. – Sca (talk) 15:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, better a short but fully cited article than a long one with no citations. There's plenty for an FPC blurb. Support eitherAdam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 16:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – this image is not very visually appealing and does not evidence much skill on the part of the photographer or photo printer. It does an adequate job of illustrating the subject, but by that standard almost every photograph should be "featured". I think that would undermine the concept of FP. –jacobolus(t) 19:46, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – It represents the article, good EV therefore and size of the article is not a deal breaker IMO. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Herald: an Alternate image was added to the nomination after you dropped your vote. Could you please update your vote to include or exclude the Alt? Bammesk (talk) 02:00, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – First target article is a 100-word stump. – Sca (talk) 15:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aye, but it's the lead of the second, so worse you can say is that the articles are listed in the wrong order. SupportAdam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 15:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Just watch me:) Gray and smudgy. – Oppose -- Sca (talk) 14:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This image should not be illustrating the coal town article. Very misleading. Charlesjsharp (talk) 22:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And how is it misleading exactly? If you search “coal camp or “coal town” on google, about 80-90% of images that come up are similar to this one, so I don’t see how it’s misleading. 🐱FatCat96🐱Chat with Cat 23:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a coal camp and the article is coal town. You would need to create coal camp article, then the image would have EV. Coal towns had proper houses etc. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Charlesjsharp: The article begins "A coal town, also known as a coal camp or patch..." so either the article is wrong or this is legitimate Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 20:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator – Artem.G (talk) 18:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as yeah it is an incredibly interesting, high quality image, also tasteful nudes. - LegalSmeagolian (talk) 23:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – We have a FP of the actual plaque Here. It should be in the Pioneer plaque article IMO. I see more value in the actual photo. Bammesk (talk) 02:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hmm, I missed that, wasn't able to find it in Featured pictures somehow. In that case, I'm withdrawing the current nomination. Thanks Bammesk! Artem.G (talk) 08:00, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
On technical merits, I think this is a good digitization of a well-composed source image. It's been on the English Wikipedia's page for sea lion for years, and is also used on nine other Wikipedias. (I also think it's kind of charming, personally.) I should be candid in saying that it's 1300px on the short axis, which I know is below the target cutoff. The guidelines said there could by case-by-case exceptions for historical images. Nobody responded when I asked about it on the FPC talk page a month ago, so I guess we'll just have it out here.
Original photo taken by Bob Borden of Military Sealift Command in the 1980s. (The source caption says only "1983"; the file name says 1984.) Uploaded by Fishdecoy to Wikipedia in March 2008 and then by Mousse to Commons in July 2008.
Support as nominator – Moonreach (talk) 19:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose For EV this would have to be in some military article. Charlesjsharp (talk) 20:17, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – The subpar resolution and unsharp features doesn't make a good FP impression. Passable EV but the lack of a proper source really bothers me. I couldn't find any original source of the image. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:43, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Snapshot-style pic. fails to illustrate gist of story re recovering rockets. – Sca (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's something I woild feature if there was an article on it. Underwater photography was not much of a thing back then. Adam Cuerden(talk)Has about 8.9% of all FPs. 19:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Alt – crop suggestion (CSS image crop)
Reason
This is my first nomination. For full disclosure, uploading this and other images was made as part of a paid project, see WP:GLAM/LEEDS 2023. However, I think this image is a potential nomination for a Featured Pictures as it fulfills, to my mind, the criteria. 1) It is a high standard - Shonibare is centred in the image, with the sculpture behind, with the wider shot showing the urban setting of the work. 2) It is high resolution. 3) I think it is a compelling image, showing not just a Nigerian artist, but a Nigerian disabled artist, next to their work. The sculpture is the first permanent outdoor piece by Shonibare, which makes it significant. Other images of Shonibare are available, uploaded as part of the same project, however I think the composition here says much about his life and career. 4) It has a free license. 5) The image has EV - it is used (via Wikidata) in articles on ARZ, IG and SV Wikipedias, as well as EN. It enhances Wikipedia's content at the intersection of blackness and disability. 6) It is verifiable, see Hibiscus Rising. 7) I think the file description is good - if not I would appreciate feedback on what else to expand. 8) I am unsure what manipulation was made by the original photographer, but it does not seem to me to be manipulated much. Again I would appreciate experienced voices on this.
Support as nominator – Lajmmoore (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wikipedia is not a place for corporate/institutional promotion. Also, you are not supposed to upload other people's photos. What you doing is, I'm sure, well intentioned, but I'm very uneasy about people who are paid to upload images to Wikipedia (via Commons) to support Leeds. This is no FP composition, and needs lots of technical work (perspective/shadows), but that was not what I wanted to talk about. Charlesjsharp (talk) 16:46, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Charlesjsharp thank you for your comments on the image, I understand better now, and fully accept that the image composition is not quite right for this project. In relation to the other points:
On paid editing: I volunteer as an editor as well, so understand the unease. However I did look carefully in the FP guidelines to see if this kind of nomination from a paid project was precluded, and couldn't see that discussed. Could you point me to the guideline that I missed? Featured Pictures have already come from paid projects, for exmaple this Talismanic shirt & this view of Japan and this coin of Nader Shah. In comparison, I've made some DYK nominations both as part of paid projects and as an everyday volunteer, and the consensus there seems to be as long as you are open and honest about project you were paid as part of, nomination is OK.
In terms of uploading other people's photos - this is an image that was shared under and open licence. Again, I checked the FP guidlines and couldn't see where nominating someone else's image was precluded from this project. I saw that there were many historic images included, as well as images of artworks and objects, where the original artist/photographer isn't (couldn't be due to time passed) involved. Criteria 4 just says an image must be under free licence, it doesn't say that the nominater must also be the original photographer - this mirrors the three nominations above, where people have nominated others' work.
@Charlesjsharp: That page says: "you can’t upload someone else’s [...] promotional photos [unless] the author granted permission for anyone to use, copy, modify, and sell it – by releasing it under a free license", which (poor grammar notwithstanding) is exactly what happened here. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:14, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very happy to retract this nomination or for it to be as closed due to the composition, thank to the instructive comments made Lajmmoore (talk) 07:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Thanks a lot for uploading and nominating for FP. But as Charles mentioned, the composition of the image is not at par with a featured picture we are looking for. For reference, have a look at WP:FP, especially the people subsection to understand the composition and encyclopedic value we want in an image. It is used as a lead image in an infobox, but it does not represent the subject as it is supposed to. The subject(s) are not well defined and shadows are all over the place. Also, you may look at the other nominations to see how a nomination is framed and how the articles that use the image is mentioned. Thanks and happy editing :) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much @The Herald for these constructive comments. It's a lesson in interpretation for me: from this feedback it sounds like for the people section its more usual portrait kind of images that you're supportive of? Lajmmoore (talk) 07:05, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I added a crop suggestion Alt. Also suggest a slight level adjust to pull up the darker areas. The sculpture is ~30 feet tall, so I don't mind the wide angle distortion, it's a part of the composition. I see no issues with copyright or promotion. Lajmmoore, usage in non-English Wiki articles isn't relevant. Bammesk (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support Alt, if the darker areas are lifted slightly. Bammesk (talk) 00:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted no license on Commons. MER-C 11:21, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi MER-C, do you know why it was deleted? I see the stated rationale here, but when I had checked it on Commons (if I remember right), the file page had a CC BY-SA 2.0 license and it had a reviewed-by FlickreviewR bot template. The source link is Here. It's very much the same as this image, copyright-wise. Bammesk (talk) 12:39, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not a Commons admin, so I cannot answer your question. MER-C 13:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I will ask on Commons. Bammesk (talk) 13:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for picking this up @Bammesk - I really appreciate it. I believe there was a mistake over on Commons and it is now undeleted Lajmmoore (talk) 23:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that was strange. I reverted the CommonsDelinker bot. Bammesk (talk) 00:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Reason
High EV value. Showcases the historic and third largest tornado outbreak in history (147 tornadoes). Image also satisfies all criteria, including size being 3,507 × 2,480 pixels.
Question This appears to be OR by the uploader, rather than data from an 'official' source. Charlesjsharp (talk) 12:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Charlesjsharp: Its not. All that data is publicly available. NOAA releases all the info about tornadoes (start and end locations with coords), path lengths, strength, and all that on the Storm Events Database or the Damage Assessment Toolkit, where a person and straight up see the exact path and even what structures were hit. The Iowa Environmental Mesonet has every tornado warning (and ever NWS warning for that fact) downloadable publicly. The Storm Prediction Center keeps a detailed record of every outlook issued. They also have a ton of detailed info (like coords for tornadoes reported) and everything like that (March 31 on the SPC). No OR at all. In short, all info is from the U.S. government or Iowa State University. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:32, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't think it is particularly visually pleasing to look at, it is a bit cluttered and unclear what I am looking at. I understand there will be a blurb with it but I feel like this is not the best of the best. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 22:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support – It's informative and hence good EV. Sources are sorted out and looks good to me. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 16:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Agree with LegalSmeagolian. ―Howard • 🌽33 19:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
^That's apparently a thing. Something about reproducing photos of photos of photos and adding details back in. More common with daguerrotypes, where there isn't an easy way to reproduce them.
^At least, in the first public performance. There was a hastily done private performance in the UK to try to gain two countries' copyright