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Oh come on, find one example of dust to dust vehicular transport that has a carbon impact of only 0.1% of a normal car. Greg Locock (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
"A green vehicle is a vehicle that is considered to be more "environmentally friendly" than traditional all-petroleum internal combustion engine vehicles (APICEVs). This is accomplished by having a low dust to dust energy cost."
I'm tempted to ask "says who?". That is a pretty agenda-filled sentence. Is a petrol powered car that gets 140 miles per US gallon (1.7 L/100 km; 170 mpg‑imp) passenger less green than an electric car that creates the same CO2 per passenger mile? That sentence says it is. Greg Locock (talk) 21:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
A green vehicle is a vehicle that emits (or emitted) less polluting substances than what was common with other contemporary vehicles of a same size/weight in the particular period it was used in. [1]Presently, the term is used for any vehicle surpassing the Euro6-norm (eg LEV, ULEV, ...). Certain green vehicles may provide a way of sustainable transport.
The norms trough the last 20 years should be added to article (eg euro5-euro4, ...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.184.236 (talk) 12:34, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
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A petroleum car that uses biodiesel is more ecological than a gasoline or petrol car, but it ´s not a green car, because it cannot use a CO2-free energy. (Not true, net CO2 in the atmosphere remains the same on a seasonal time-scale as CO2 used with sunlight and water produce oils for biodiesel, and cellulose and sugars can be used to create bio-alcohols. These can be used to run normal internal combustion engines, or hybrids).
These ones that only uses renewable energy (a hydrogen or electric car) are more ecological green vehicles than an hybrid car). (Electric and Hydrogen are not renewable; they are only a means of storing energy, and that energy comes most economically from old coal plants that grandfather their way into existence, nuclear power, whose plants are old designs and not as safe as they future ones may be, or large-scale hydroelectric projects.)
what about bikes? Are not they the best green vehicles?--GengisKanhg (my talk) 22:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I would argue that the massive amounts of battery acid used in Hybrid vehicles which need to be kept from the water table of the planet disqualify the hybrid as a green vehicle.
There is also a car dealer called Green Vehicle Showroom in Los Gatos See http://m.siliconvalley.com/articles/263990 --HybridBoy 12:31, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I suggest a section / article about green car media (publications about green cars and vehicles). --Mac (talk) 14:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Obviously refered to a vehicle that was green in colour in years gone by. Is there no other, proper term for this? Green vehicle seems like a somewhat shoddy marketing buzzword Towel401 (talk) 22:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Biomass (pure wood) can also be used as a "fuel" (see http://www.biomassauthority.com/a/precer-bioracer-biomass-car/) Not sure where to mention it however, as it probably cant be burned in a ICE engine. Biochar too can probably be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.246.165.186 (talk) 09:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
do we really need this? I don't think so. It seems perilously close to a list of weblinks. Greglocock (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
When does RS mean RIDICULOUS SOURCE? When it suggests that a 21 mpg 4 seater is a green vehicle. Greglocock (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
There's a bunch of material which I am hoping to shift out of Sustainable transport and which belongs either here or nowhere, it was shifted there as a merge from Green Transport (which I was never in agreement with, but which could maybe be made to work....). I'll try to do it with tact and care but feel free to revert. The Sustainainable Transport page includes some truly strange vehicles claiming to be "green" and some of them (wind powered cars?) probably don't need to be on Wikipedia at all.Travelplanner (talk) 11:00, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Just a comment - I can't find anything on Wikipedia about fuel efficiency / alternative fuel freight vehicles. Am I not looking in the right place or should there be something here? I know virtually nothing about the topic, except that it surely exists...Travelplanner (talk) 10:25, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps that a truly green vehicle (emissionless, made from cradle to cradle parts) can be implemented. examples are the Ford Model U, the new Jeep Renegade, Edag light car, CQS Group T Racing Team Pegasus (see http://www.cqsgrouptracingteam.be/nl/odyssee/doelstellingen_o ), ... 91.182.9.74 (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Also a good image would be the Volkswagen_1-litre_car —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.193.178 (talk) 18:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The hybrid car definitly needs removal, the greenest technology that can be implemented today is biofuel-powered vehicles, ie pure plant oil, biodiesel. Noted at Ecopolis episode on transport, hosted by Dan Kammen. The winner was the E-jeepney, but biofuel was considered the best option for vehicles, the e-jeepney only won due to its design/ability to transport more people.
91.182.197.81 (talk) 17:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps it can be mentioned in the table or text that compressed air-ICE cars are 26,7% efficient vs 21,2% for a gasoline ICE and 77,5% for electrochemical battery-powered cars ref= http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/044011/fulltext Note however that MDI mentioned that the base data was wrong= this needed to be 7,5l gasoline/100km instead of 5,2, thus a difference of 30,5%; this data needs to be implemented to current calculations ( MDI calculated 10,6% for gasoline ICE efficiency) KVDP (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
small update: perhaps "Gas burner-Stirling engine" can also be added: see http://blog.vadaenergy.com/?p=807 , the DEKA Revolt simply uses it to recharge a EC battery, but it could probably also propell the vehicle on its own —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.132.58 (talk) 11:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Terms such as Environmentally friendly are biased and constitute Greenwashing. Lets try to use accepted terms that have some objectivity. Even "Green" is ambiguous and can be abused. Also, not all alternative fuels are better environmentally. Rlsheehan (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
The tagging of the prius photo with an opinion tag raises a good point. Surely the iconic green vehicle is either a bicycle or a 747, since those seem to be the preffered modes of transport for green politicians? Either way it needs a ref Greglocock (talk) 22:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I vote to change the image of the Prius to another car alltogether. The Prius is a hybrid vehicle, and so it can be at the hybrid vehicle page, but for this page, hybrid cars are too expensive, most have far too much horsepower (should be less than 10 HP) and they're too complicated (uses 2 engines), so it will never catch on globally (ie in developing countries). What about we changed it to the REVAi or we can change it to an image of a Motorised quadricycle (ie an Aixam microcar). If we note in the description that the vehicle in the image uses a biofuel (ie ethanol, butanol, straight vegetable oil, ...), it is definitly a green vehicle, and also a useful alternative to people in the entire world (including developing regions). KVDP (talk) 13:27, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Here's a new article that you might want to cite in appropriate articles: <ref>Kramer, Felix Max Baumhefner. [http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/mbaumhefner/good_and_green_reasons_to_cons.html "Good and Green Reasons to Consider an Electric Car This Year"], ''Switchboard'', Natural Resources Defense Council, March 5, 2013</ref> -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:48, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Since NEV's only need to be able to reach a speed of 45 km/h, the power rating (HP) of the vehicle can be way lower than what it needs to be with highway-capable vehicles (that need to be able to attain 120 km/h).[1] Since wind resistance becomes ever greater with higher speeds, power ratings of the engines used in vehicles need to be much larger (non-lineair graph).[2] This also means that much more energy (fuel) is needed to propel the vehicles, and as vehicles are much more powerful and able to attain larger speeds, the possibility of fatal accidents becomes much greater (so the fact that we allow these powerful vehicles to be build results in more deaths).
Include a section in this article about this. KVDP (talk) 18:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I suggest that it should refer to the following, emphasis mine "Yesterday, we heard the tragic story that a U.K. owner of a Reva G-Wiz, the tiny neighborhood electric vehicle (NEV) sold in Europe as a quadricycle, was killed when her all-electric runabout hit a garden wall. The 47-year-old woman was thrown clear of the diminutive G-Wiz as it split in two just beneath the front seats where the heavy under-seat battery tray meets the floor. While official reports into the accident have yet to be released, the vehicle appears to have split on impact with the wall." I doubt many real cars would kill their drivers on collision with a garden wall. Greglocock (talk) 00:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
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