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Thank you Kevin for your nice words. I am thrilled to be part of the project. Will definitely ask for help if needed (which is actually 99.99999% bound to happen!). Cheers--Angelikmeg 16:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Kevin,
Had wanted this contact to be to offer help for the project but it seems that other WilkiMembers are more interested in killing this project off by simply deleting any related pages.
I was in the process of constructing my first pages which I could then come to you with & say here is my first submission to the project - between first pass & me learning the Wilkilanguage in greater depth to finish it properly one of the project team had marked both author page & book page as a project stub (K.G.Childs & The Fortress City)
However it seems that; - if you don't have any exisiting pages - others think your pages need automatic deletion - if an author is a vanity publisher (intentionally or otherwise) they are not permitted to be even mentioned in the Wikipages
As such I see little point wasting any more time in the Wikipedia site as everything I attempt will just get wiped! In fact I wonder if your project has any real longevity or if you are just going to see all your hard work wiped away by the likes of Mailer Diablo (I did vent on that users talk page assuming they don't just simply wipe my input there as well)
And just in case anyone wonders why I didn't react when they were flagged for deletion - well despite having both pages on my watch list I recived no watch emails from Wikipedia!
Not your problem & I'm not having ago at you but yes I'm furious at the situtaion - thought you should know why you are loosing future project members before you even hear from them!
Regards User:Elium
Due to the insistance of several editors... I'm comming back early... (don't ask me how it happend, still a little upset over the admins... but I will be able to keep my cool provided that I don't have another one of those encounters for a week or two)
Give me ideas on what other lists that you would like me to generate... The last list that I made saw 102 edits done to that page. In addition the page saw 6 "unique" editors... though most of the work was done by 2-3 people. It seems like these lists are allowing "drudge" work to be done in a simpler and easier manner. By "drudge" work, I mean, non-article creating work. I mean really, it takes special people to sort out stubs... Thanks for you work on them, Kevinalewis.
Of course if you have not figured out I am reffering to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Book to novel autolist
And I am asking for more ideas on what to base other lists on.... I'm comming back.
P.S. I am also leaving a simmilar message on Pegship's talk page. Between the two of you, I expect to see some good ideas... (just a pun, If you don't have any, It won't make me upset or anything)
Thanks for fixing the citations on the flintknapper page. I still have to figure out exactly how Wikipedia wants their citations laid out. In the near future (as in this summer) I'd like to give the page an overhaul and include sections on tools, methods of flaking, maybe a listing of other materials people like to mess around in (bottom of coke bottles, scrap industrial glass, or porcelin dishes for instance). If you have any other suggestions or if you know people I should contact before I do this just drop me a line at my user page: ZenTrowel 06:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC).
...with a fellow prog fan, except to say, there's been an awful lot of vandalism on Islam-related pages lately, and I'm just trying to force people onto the talk page to explain themselves. Don't mean to revert good edits, only to distinguish between them and pious vandalism.
Timothy Usher 10:02, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Ok thanks for the response. I will create one of the two tonight. It will be up by tommarow. I will leave it up to you to take it from the link below to the project pages... As that is one area I don't want to learn right now. :-) I'm trying to program a janitor for WP:CU
You are free to make any redirects from this page... I know it is my userspace... but I give permission and will not be offended.
NOTE: The link does not link to anything untill Thursday... I am just giving you the location in advance.
Hey, I read some of your comments at the Talk:YEC page and I have to agree. Most scientists reject YEC because either they don't want to believe that there is a God and therefore they can do whatever they want, or they don't want to take the Bible literally. It's quite irritating but it's the case. If you know Talk:Origins well, then you know it's also biased toward evolution and therefore won't show YEC in a positive light. But keep up the good editing. Ratso 21:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
If not, would you be willing to direct me to someone you trust?Timothy Usher 08:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I am running a search on articles that need the infobox... Where should I look, other than the Novel category??? Give me a full list of locations thanks. (I can handle the rest)Eagle (talk) (desk) 16:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I am going to also post my response on the bottem of this page.
Eagle (talk) (desk) 01:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Heh, sorry about that; we seem to have been working at cross purposes there. I was bumping it down because we at the Military history WikiProject are trying to figure out some form of merging among Category:War, Category:Military, and Category:Warfare. Perhaps you could look over the discussion and let us know if something in what we're trying to do would interfere greatly with the novel categorization? Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 10:23, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevin, someone (anon) had changed most to 25px. First I thought it was plain vandalism, but then it looked like an attempt to improve the article. I'll change to 20px, please check the other anon edits and correct as necessary. Thankis, Rich Farmbrough 14:41 7 April 2006 (UTC).
Hi Kevin: I assume from your comment on Wikipedia:Cleanup process/Cleanup sorting proposal that you've figured out what the PNA sections are for. Yes, this is to be a general thing across all Wikiprojects, not just WP:ARCHAEO; we're testing it out. Your idea of converting headers to subheaders, so they will work properly in transclusion, is great; I'll apply it as I go. Alba 15:12, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
What did you mean on your last post to me??? I am totally confused, :-)...sorry!!
Note: I am sorry for not getting the list done, I was testing User:Gnome (Bot), to see what it saw on certian pages, sorta like a debug run, with no editing, (just seeing what it would do). But I forgot about the block that was put on the bot, after it did something a admin did not like (fixed it now). Any way long story short, the bot must "click" the edit button to look at a page (gather info)... well when you do that on a blocked account (something I fogot about), you block your whole I.P. address for 24 hours:-). Any way I got the bot unblocked and my I.P. address.
I will put the list up by sunday night, agian sorry about that!!!Eagle (talk) (desk) 19:16, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I will get you this list.
On the archology thing, it appears you have found the right person, I have an inkling on what is going on, as I have been reading the proposal...If you have any specific questions I can answear.Eagle (talk) (desk) 00:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I am just going to put up a seperate list for each category, at least for now... what did you mean by "On second thoughts you could include any category with "Novel" or Novels" in it's title, nice to indicate on the listing which category was the cause of it's inclusion". The main novel category figures to have over 450 unique articles in it. :-)
The main novel category will be up soon. (a lot of the articles in here are stubs. I may make a new list, looking for article size, and make a new list... but that will be for another day.
Eagle (talk) (desk) 01:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
The list is done... here is the link to it agian..(its up there somewhere on your talk page)
Please, before making the page on the project space, look at the "very important" infomation section of the list. (Note the list will have ALL article that need the info box included..., The articles are sorted by the category that they are in, broken up into 25 article lists. (i.e. Category Novels is a different section than Category:War novels.) Later we can even look for incomplete infoboxes)
Let me know if you want me to redirect the list, if so... where to.
Eagle (talk) (desk) 02:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
In response to your recent message to me about the Novel group, I would certainly like to help out. For the time being it will be a case of finding the time when I can; I wouldn't want to jump in and make some big commitments I can't keep.
Cranston Lamont (talk) 02:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the Matt Redman photo, somethings is clearly better then nothing. Personally I wasn't there then, Only got to go this decade. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevinalewis, Yes, I'm certified 100% pure newbie. Thank you for your suggestion and your help with citation formatting. PS - If you write in my talk page, should I respond there, or here? Blastfromthepast 16:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
What exactly would that entail, and why? I just read Grendel and wrote the article when I realized that it did not already exist. The only thing I would like to add is a treatment of the characters. You can have a look at as far as I got before my architecture classes and my involvement with Philwiki got the better of me at User:Donbas/Grendel. Donbas 18:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Thank's for your correction of my poor englsh, and grammer!!! (I am a bit verbose, but better too much than not enough). I am a math and science person:-)... The reason I am in the project is that I like to read:-).
Some day when we get this project going, I will start to contribute to actual articles... But right now I think it is best if my energy is devoted to getting our categories and stubs uniform.
I will redirect the list, but leave it up to you to advertise this list on the project page, and elsewhere on wikipedia... I have exams comming soon, and I will not have as much time to do anything other than running automated things... like making new lists
Eagle (talk) (desk) 18:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevin. Sorry to be so late in responding; my internet and wiki time have been limited recently. Thanks very much for resolving the issue with the user who wanted to keep things all Near East-centric and I think the new page is much better. I realise we still have gaps but I hope archaeologists from around the world will now see that their is potential to add in more detail. Also, I hope you will be pleased to know that our modest efforts have been recognised in the current issue of British Archaeology in its internet round up. Best wishes. adamsan 20:57, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Right now no one knows of this list's existance execpt for those who go to The general forum, (I and pegship posted a message there). To remind you, here is the list Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsWithoutInfobox.
Thanks for the kind words and I also wish for cordial relations. After looking thru Your user page, there is something I read today that I think You should read about WP and privacy, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Gator1. I have seen your edits earlier (on books naturally) so I'd wonder if You would be interested in adminship (despite the previous link). You know, those tools could be handy etc. I would be willing to nominate You (Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship) if You are interested. Best, feydey 21:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I did not get your reply, but I don't have your page watched... sorry about that. Thank you for doing that, activity is now being seen on that page!!!
As Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Book to novel autolist is complete... is there any other categories that we could search for novel stubs out of??? If so, let me know and I will refresh this list.
Eagle (talk) (desk) 14:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
P.S. respond on my talk page, else I have no clue that you responded!!! (I don't watch other's pages, as that results in me having to seperate comments directed to me from many pages... more work than it is worth.)
Would you like me to reformat the novels without infobox list to look more like this User:Eagle 101/Sandbox. This is easy to do, and the distance between sections can be made to be what ever number of articles that you want... I do it now by a regex statement... it only takes me 30 seconds to put all the header in now!!!Eagle (talk) (desk) 15:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking note of my addition to the project. I have added the userbox (the first WikiProject I have done so with, probably because it's the first one for which a userbox was available). Daniel Case 15:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
as per title... the rexep only count's lines, not what's in them... trust me on this. Would you like me demonstrate on my sandbox???Eagle (talk) (desk) 15:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Tell me what categories to search for stubs in... and what type of stubs am I looking for... be specific, (avoid false positives)
I have to make one modification to the regex expression. Won't take long!!!Eagle (talk) (desk) 15:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
when I did the book-->novel stubs I basically assumed that since the article is tagged as a stub, that the article is a stub. The simplist way to do this is to search only for the names, and related phrases... as specific as possible is best.
P.S. I will get that list up in a monment... I am having problems with the <strike>... Driving me nuts!!! (If I put it as it is it will do the job correctly, except that the first 3-4 sections will have 13 articles... and one section will have 3Eagle (talk) (desk) 16:24, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
The sample format is up on my sandbox. have a look!!!
On the stubs... you are 100% correct... but as long as the article is in the stub cat (not nessacarally marked as stub on the article) I will find it. To me I could care less whether or not ((stub)) is in the article or not:-)Eagle (talk) (desk) 16:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Problem is that I need to configure the program a slight bit to fix... (should be only 2 lines of code that need changed... I need to open the edit page on the talk page, not the article)... This search can be done in Cat:Novels... And I will make this list the same as the Novels needing infobox list... Our current one.
How I do it is through a regex statement. (it is up... but I am reordering the titles to keep consistant groups of ten)...have a look
And of course what do you mean by bot run date???Eagle (talk) (desk) 18:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to add that... If you do, I will update it.
Have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsWithoutInfobox and tell me how it looks. Thank you.
Eagle (talk) (desk) 18:47, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
I got most of them... If there are more, feel free to do it... I will straighten up the list every 2-5 days as it needs it:-)...
Hi Kevin - I agree with your removing the miniseries tag to the 1972 BBC version of War and Peace. I just had one thought. As I have gone through many of the British shows that I grew up watching and admiring here at Wikipedia I have noticed that the tag that is often used when there is more than one version (i.e. film, opera, TV etc.) is TV series. I don't know if wikip has a set policy on this, and I am not suggesting that you change what you have already done. I just wanted to mention it in case you are aware of any rules here at wikip that this might fit under. One of the things that I enjoy about this version is that it has perfromances by so many of my favorite British actors, some of whom are fairly early in their careers. I got to see Alan Dobie on stage in the 10 hour play Tantalus (an epic about the Trojan Wars) several years ago and it was a real treat. Keep up the good work here at wikipedia.User:MarnetteD | Talk 17:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
I will update the Film-->Novel List this weekend, as well as do the searches for the potentential stub cats:-) Eagle (talk) (desk) 03:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
User:Eagle 101/films that are also novels list--- This is pegship's idea, right now she wants to work on this by herself... an idea that I am respecting (even though I made the list), but I am trying to get her to eventally get it up on the project pages... as it is a very big task. ONE subcategory had 166 hits in it, and there is a large number of sub categorys (Not to mention sub-subcategories) in Category:Films. Eagle (talk) (desk) 20:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
I believe you comunicated with the editor, that tagged World Rally Championship 1973 results and similar pages as "inuse". He hasn't edited in weeks so the templates need to be removed. but the articles are devoid of any content and most likly will be deleted. Do you think anyone is willing to fill content? If you don't want to do anything now, you might want to pull a local copy of the layout for later use. Agathoclea 09:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
What does "study guides are not replaced" mean?
The problem that I have with these links is the fact that there are so many such "study guides", and Wikipedia is choosing to advertise just one of them. Remember. Wikipedia is not a link repository. If there is useful information about the book that is encyclopedic, we should seek to include that information in Wikipedia, not link to external texts that contain it. In as far as these guides are just summaries of the book, I'm not sure that they are encyclopedic, and therefore a link to them isn't required. Either way, we just don't need them. -Harmil 21:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
;-)
-Harmil 14:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)I usually incorporate the link into a logical place in the text; for example "based on a [[Fail-Safe (novel)|novel of the same title]] by so-and-so..." I only recently discovered the use of coded disambig tags and haven't learned how to use them yet...thanks for the tip. Her Pegship 17:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw that you placed the disputed tag in the Armstrong article (I agree with this). Unfortunately I was editing the article at the same time and I think your edit (08:26) overwrote my edit (08:19). I had taken out a huge copy/paste of an external article that was clearly not NPOV and then your minor edit put it right back! I took it out again. I have been in the process of cleaning up this article. Please take a look at the history and the current state of the article. It should be better now. Would like to hear your points of view on the article's talk page. RelHistBuff 09:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I was just wondering if you thought it might be time to archive the WikiProject Novels talk page; it is getting a bit lengthy and I figured you might be the person to ask. -- Gizzakk 03:37, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I created it as a redirect because of the large number of -novel-stubs, while this one was pre-existing at -book-stub, just to avoid needless name confusion. I don't see any difficulty using it, though it might be marginally preferable to use the redirect target. I'd be surprised were it to "go away" at any point, certainly. I didn't envisage it as a separate type, since I'd imagine the considerable majority of "sf-book-stubs" are indeed novels. If the non-novels ever get large enough to be split out, it would be fine with me, but there's not much point in splitting the "novels" if that almost entirely depopulates the remaining "books". Alai 19:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Quote : this still need proper citation as did the alternative view. Unless you can support the word most please lose it!
We have, in user CodexSinaiticus, someone trying to make an article reflect their own opinions (religious beliefs too, perhaps?) more than the majority academic opinion. Wiki is supposed to recognize all points of view, but give prominence to majority opinions. I fail to see how the use of 'most', when coupled with citations from several leading academics as well as a reference to the alternative position, is wrong.
I have close on 15 years academic research experience with topics that overlap with 1 Enoch. I know the academic sources, and can cite many that presuppose a complex redactional history. Very many. To be honest, I'd be hard pressed to think of an academic (as opposed to religious) source that doesn't. But if I cited, say, 100 sources, it would still not prove 'most' to someone asking for such proof; indeed, any such proof would require the citing of greater than 50% in order to fulfil the requirement of 'most'. So it is an impossible task, in the same way is it would be an impossible task to "prove" through citation that, say, most people dont think the world is flat. But it is surely acceptable to say "Most people do not believe the world is flat" without exhaustive citation, so how is it any less acceptable to say, "Most modern scholarship considers 1Enoch to be a composite work"? (Take a look at the article "Earth" - It mentions the flat earth theory, and says that those who hold the view for eg. religious reasons are treated with mockery - should I write similar for 1Enoch?! I jest, of course ...)
Put another way, he is coming to a judgment over the validity of the opinion expressed by this group of 'most', disagreeing with it, and demanding the removal of 'most'. But the label 'most' is a fact, irrespective of the validity of the opinion held by this group.
172.141.236.166 15:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The reason that I don't think that a whole separate section is needed for the characters is that what the characters do in the novel will be covered in the Plot Summery section of each book. The more general information about the character will be covered in the character entry on the character lists.
The character template is for the primary and other major characters in the novels. All the rest are pretty cursory and need not be listed. When you talk about the look of the template, do you mean that you would like to have it look sort of like this:
Characters of Novel Name | |
---|---|
Primary character | Primary character |
Major characters | Major character 1 Major character 2 Major character 3 Major character 4 |
Demon X(A)NTH | Present |
Good Magician Humfrey | Present |
Demoness Metria | Present |
And after looking at the table, I will alter the look of the current template. I like it better than what is there now. Should there be a line in the template for Humfrey, Metria, and the Demon Xanth? Those characters pop in a lot of the novels. It is almost expected. The Good Magician appears from A Spell for Chameleon, Demoness Metria since Vale in the Vole, and Demon Xanth since Yon Ill Wind (though he appeared before, Yon Ill Wind has him popping up more). I will make the first alteration now, but let me know about the listings for those 3 special characters.
Lady Aleena 11:30, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
PS. I use the yellow on the table to make the articles tie together a lot more. It adds interest in my opinoin.
Just a question, but this book is a rather unusual case. It was written in German , but first published in America in English, so should the German title be used under the origional title heading? And for that matter shuld it be used under the language heading? -- Gizzakk 21:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not know how to add new material to the footnotes, so I removed them and changed them to references so I could. Want to add The Methods of Biblical Archaeology. They are somewhat unique. What if I add my new material, with the reference and then you add it to footnotes. Do not want to cause any trouble. User:Kazuba 18 May 2006
Thankyou Kevin. User:Kazuba 18 May 2006
You're right that the article sucks. I put it up as a sketch and never got back to it. I figured other Wikipedians might fill it out but no ...
People are happy to pontificate, or squabble over a word or two, if it involves no reading or research. Anything involving digging into the books languishes. I'm in over my head. My house is stacked with books I haven't had time to read. My head is exploding.
Can you help with the research on the article? Zora 06:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I thought that people writing articles about books should have some links for information on books á la Amazon.com, see WikiProject_Books#Resources. I found The Literary Encyclopedia with nice info. I haven't put Amazon.com, B&N.com etc. as it would seem as advertising (should they be added?). So if You know of similar places with information/reviews/general data on books... just add them to the list. Thanks. feydey 11:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Kevin, I was a little unclear; I guess I was smuggling an extra term into my definition of Rapture. : ) Of course, amillennialists believe in a rapture (as in "here, there, or in the air") but not separate from the Second Coming. I changed it to a- and post- not believing in the same time-line as dispy pre-s, but perhaps it could be improved further. Wooster 16:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Kevin, thanks for pointing out that I shouldn't be removing the hardback and paperback designations from the first editions. Must say, that as a the daughter of a collector of rare books, the idea of two first editions (one hardcover, one paperback) seems oh so very wrong. As a newcomer to Wikipedia, am I correct in assuming that this matter was resolved long ago? Victoriagirl 15:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Once again, many thanks for the advice concerning the various editions. You'll see that I've tried my best to incorporate your recommendation with Rohinton Mistry's Such a Long Journey. I've even gone to the trouble of nailing down all editions, save Penguin's (which is elusive). I've only included information about the first Canadian in the infobox. I fear adding more will only be confusing. Any thoughts you might have are always appreciated. Cheers. Victoriagirl 16:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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Would it not make more sense to keep everything seperate, such as the Cross-country skiing events, the Nordic Combined, and the Ski Jumping? This is improtant in order to maintain some degree continuity within the Winter Olympics? Chris 18:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I can see that line of think except that for a large number of articles you would only have one event per article, making for a very small article and (particularly early on) the events were considered very much as part of "nordic" skiing. If we do go to seperate and divide out the articles then I think we need to do this in measured and controlled change over. I,e, work back from 1964 first providing all 3 replacement articles. Changing the "nordic skiing" article to a "list style" as with 1968 and beyond. The all the associated navigation templates need to be adjusted as well. May be a few other things I havn't thought about too. The attude across "wiki" has largely been to go for consistency but also to keep to large articles rather then pure stub like "note like" entries. No sense of scale and to much darting about. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 19:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
What if we phased all of the items in (Cross-country skiing, Nordic Combined, and Ski Jumping) as seperate files with the correct templates, then gradually phase out all of the Nordic Skiing part of this? I am already in process of getting all of the cross-country medalists bunched into one area, then having them access the specific Olympics. I have just completed the Men's and am now starting on the Women's events. As soon that is complete, then I will work on the Nordic Combined and the Ski Jumping parts. Chris 20:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
With the gradual division it would make more sense, but you have to take into account all of the Nordic skiing was introduced as one at the 1924 Games, but Alpine Skiing was not intorduced until 1936. By creating separate categories in the Nordic Skiing area, it would allow for someone who is interested in Cross-country, but may not care about Ski Jumping or the Nordic Combined to just look at the cross country from its 1924 inception until now without having to go through the Nrodic Skiing category. Let's look at how they categorize Aquatics. In Wallenchinsky's The Complete Book of The Olympics (1984), they have swimming, diving, and water polo all bunched into two chapters (one for men and one for women). In later editions of his book, the swimming, diving, water polo, and synchornized swimming are in seperate chapters. Shouldn't the cross-country, nordic combined, and ski jumping be the same way? Chris 12:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Chris 12:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. I just caught this the other day and am trying to amend. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 18:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hellow! I saw you'd responded to my question about an infobox I was trying to create on the Novel Forum but only because I looked at the edit history of the page, because you'd then deleted my whole post? Did I post in the wrong spot? Anyway, I figured out how to add a template to the name space and so know it's here: Template:JAustenCharacter and to test it out I've added it to: Mr. Bennet Where should I post this for comments? Thanks! plange 04:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Got your message. I must admit I was a bit unsure of what to do, but the explanation said that you either were to make one of these boxes, or just put the appropriate templates on the talk page. Terribly sorry if I did this wrong, but you might want to update your explanation pages if that is the case... Please let me know what you want me to do with this project. I'm more than willing to help. :) Norwaystudent 16:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your corrections to my footnote in the Oldfield article. I'm slowly catching up on the best way to do such things, and I was already proud that I had referenced my change and created a good footnote. I'll try to incorporate the changes you made in future references I'll do. Fram 18:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for responding. Just wondering, is there a more efficient way of talking than through our talk pages? Like, some kind of IM or something? --Norwaystudent
When making infoboxes for the Novels WikiProject, can we upload book covers from the internet, or would that collide with copyright issues? What has been done to get book covers before? --Norwaystudent
Thanks for the link to the naming conventions! There's a whole group of us working on Carmody's Novels, and I've been nominated as the code bunny :P I'll go fix them up ASAP. Rigel 12:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again! They're all fixed up; I've had to add a further disambiguation for Darkfall, as there is already a novel of that title by Dean Koontz. At the moment much of the discussion for adding to the Carmody Project is underway on our message boards. We have an internal submission guideline and are rigorously weeding out any fancruft or overt spoilers, much of what was on the page before today's alteration was not up to standard.
I've bookmarked all the templates (which are very handy!), and we're in the process of finding bookcovers and pictures we can use. Rigel 13:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Re: Obernewtyn Chronicles page - Gods yes! In fact that was the article that sparked off the spree, I came across it and was horrified. Never fear - it will not last long at all! Rigel 14:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Have I left the novels project or Wikipedia? No no no, not at all, just taking an unannounced Wikibreak while I'm rather busy at the moment in that other life some people call real. Here at Wikipedia, I have been doing other things recently, mainly writing new entries on German or Austrian entertainers (such as Freddy Quinn)—the List of German actors (from 1895 to the present) contains just too many red links. I'll be back. Anyway, thanks for inquiring after me, and all the best, <KF> 16:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I too am sort of taking an unanouced wikibreak as well... this is my first post in 3 days! (long time since that happened!) I am also busy with "real life" :-(.
I have already broken one promise to pegship about updating a list... I will try my best to remember to update both the novels stub, and infobox incomplete lists. Just tell me what genres you want the list to cover, and I will do my best to get a new update on by monday. I would hate to delay the effort that WP:NOVEL has been putting into completing these lists.
P.S. that wikibreak is looking to be annouced very soon if "real life" does not let up...
Thank you for the heads up! Eagle talk 05:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help regarding the infoboxes. There seems to be a problem with them, however, as the image caption is being cut off. I feel captions are very necessary particularly since I'm working with numerous examples where the original title of the book was changed. See, for example, Once More the Saint. Any help would be appreciated. Cheers. 23skidoo 11:42, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
The Pirate Saint trial works for me (though it should say "The Saint" rather than "TV series" but I can fix that later). Since you're adjusting captions, what about adding a field for alternate titles? I think that might be handy as well (plus in my case it would allow me to eliminate the succession box entirely). 23skidoo 14:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Quick comment: Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/ArticleTemplate is ok, I was hoping to create something more like a guide (like (Wikipedia:WikiProject Books/Non-fiction article), not a straight copy/paste template. I'll think about it... Got to go to the library now actually, bye feydey 15:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok I will start with one or two of those tonight... will be up by tomarrow.
I may also create a auto list for infobox incompleate... I need to see what to look for, the sample list will be on my user page in 1 week. Please tell me if you think this is a good idea. My view is that we have the novel stubs going (new one generated tomarrow) infobox needed going, and the only thing missing is infobox-incomplete.
As you are aware, I completed the Wikipage Ski jumping at the Winter Olympics with details on the various ski jumping lengths between 1924 and 1956. While I was doing this, I e-mailed the FIS offices in Switzerland regarding the Lengths of the jumps between 1924 and 1956. I received a response yesterday from kurt Henauer, FIS PR and Media Coordinator Ski Jumping with both the Hill name and lengths for all of the Ski jumping compeitions between 1924 and 1964. I do plan on putting this in, but how do I put this in without revealing my personal e-mail address? I will look at the reference guides that Wikipedia has, but I would like your opinion on this. Thank you. Chris 12:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I do not plan on risking this information about a private e-mail address on revealing this information, but I would like to get this information from the FIS somehow because what they have listed on their website from 1924 to 1956 is inaccurate, in my opinion. Chris 12:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I like the footnote that you have done on this. I was able to find the reference setup using the MLA Formatting guide for electronic sources from Purdue University in Indiana and it was very helpful. Thank You. Chris 14:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, what's with reverting all of my changes (many of which are necessary to conform to the manual of style) in order to "fix" one small "error" that didn't change the look visually? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 14:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevin! Thanks for the note. I'm slogging away at the new list Eagle made me...feel free to pitch in any time you want a break from your current project. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 15:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevinalewis, seeing that you contributed to this list before... I am dropping you this note today to let you know that the book stubs -> novel stubs autolist has been updated today. Currently there are 37 items on this list that need to be sorted through. This is far less than the original list size.Eagle talk 04:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Is it at all possible that you can get more users to contribute to this list... I have another 500 articles waiting on my computer... At any rate, let me know when that list winds down to about 40-50 articles...
I am working on the regex for info-box incomplete... right now I am not getting a high enough success rate... I am up to about 75%, as you know I want to hit something like 90%.
Anyway, cheers! Eagle talk 04:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I just want you to know that you are correct with the fualty selection, but the list will always display err on the side of displaying too many articles, rather than risk missing a article or two. Just thought you should know.
By yours truly... Eagle talk 05:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I just stumbled upon this recently created (not really maintained) portal. Do You have any ideas what to do with this new one. feydey 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Good catch. The day I put that article together Wikipedia was acting up and some edits were failing (as in not being saved). One of them was the uploading of the image, though I thought the image was in place otherwise I wouldn't have moved on to the next book. For a moment I thought someone had deleted the image but there seems to be no indication of that. Just Wiki-weirdness! I noticed you recategorized Alias the Saint into 1931 novels. That actually isn't correct since it wasn't a novel but rather a novella collection. If we're changing that one we'll need to change the other 40. 23skidoo 13:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
There should not be any false hits... all the program is looking for is the absence of ((Infobox novel
I figured out the problem. My regex statement was looking for ((Infobox Novel and reporting anything else that was not ((Infobox Novel, I had a few other things tossed in the regex, but that seems to be the problem.
Long story short, it was a capitalization error on my part. I will regenerate this list and have a new one up a half-hour after this post. Sorry about the mistake!!Eagle talk 20:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
New list is generated. There are no infoboxes in these unless they are added after the list was generated... Sorry about that!!!Eagle talk 20:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about that--I hadn't realised that I didn't source the info. I'll remove it since I forgot where I got that info (accutually I don't even recall putting it there) and can't find better info to replace it with. Thanks for pointing it out. Stoa 23:04, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I saw that I accidently added Settling Accounts: Drive to the East by Harry Turtledove to the "Mystery Novels needing templates" list, not knowing it was for mystery novels. I saw that you had moved it to a manual list. Where is that list and I'll add others I find? I like helping out but would rather not try adding the template myself until I learn more. Thanks for all your work also! PeregrineV 15:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch for helping recat those. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 17:22, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. Looks good. Hope I can be of help in the future. <KF> 15:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
The newsletter looks great! Very good concept... As I sse you all have been having fun while I am in wiki-purgetory (semi-wikibreak).
On the auto-lists, I will put them back in groups of 10... that was an impulse experiment I had, will be put back correctly 10 minutes after this post. Also:
Let me know what you think on these ideas! Eagle talk 02:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Will do! I will run and have up the lists for tomarrow! stubs will have little to offer... same for novel infobox tagging... Is there any where else we can pull stubs from??? (sub cats of books?)
Ok, I have the prototype regex statements, Right now I am limited only by the amount of time I have... Where should I put the first 'test' page... (you and pegship can go loose on it) and find most of the errors in my logic:). Agian, I designed the regex statement to pick up all articles with incomplete infoboxes at the cost of picking up a few 'extra' articles that don't have a infobox or have a info box. Right now I have gotten 100% incomplete infoboxs... (I manually went through the category and checked) And about 10% false hits +-2%, (little statistics there:).
Thanks, I will be updating a bunch of lists tomarrow, one for pegship, ours here at WP:NOVEL and the 2 new concepts. (incomplete and novel->stub)Eagle talk 08:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
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Welcome to the inaugural issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this new format will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new groups and programs within the project that they may wish to participate in. This inital issue is really a trial; any comments and suggestions are quite welcome, and will help us improve the newsletter in the coming months. Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk), Initiating Editor |
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:: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the template. I'll add it though I personally feel that only the user should add anything to their Userpage. That's not specifically why mine is protected though -- I had some anonymous users targeting it for vandalism. 23skidoo 14:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I thank you for informing about the Novels WikiProject Newsletter June 2006. We shall surely inter-act more. Due to varioud reasons, I could not contribute to WP Novels - but, I shall surely start contributing actively soon. Regards. --Bhadani 14:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I was working on a improvement to allow use of multiple passes by the regexes... and I introduced a bug into my program... I need to root it out. Please give me untill tomarrow to update the project lists. (sorry:-(Eagle talk 05:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I made a correction to your addition to the article. Glidrose had nothing to do with Charter Books. That was a Grosset and Dunlap imprint. Glidrose had no imprints of its own; it licensed its books to companies such as Pan and Coronet. Besides, the article and the CommanderBond articles suggest the Glidrose connection was bogus. 23skidoo 18:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about leaving the Geek category in Wikipedia:WikiProject Books/User Participant; I thought I'd caught it all, and apparently I was wrong. :\ EVula 15:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I have just found a gold mine of information you might find interesting. There is a website named www.aafla.org (Amateur Athletic Found of Los Angeles) that you can download all of the official Olympic Reports of everything regarding all of the Olympic coverage. I was able to find information on all of the demonstration events for the 1932 Winter Olympics and I will put them in over the next couple of days. You should check it out. Chris 14:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about being unreachable. What lists do we need generated? Eagle talk 18:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
My hunch is that the third list will be up tommarow... I will be working on it tonight, trying to get some more buggies out:) Eagle talk 02:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Several things:
--Enjoy looking at all thatEagle talk 03:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
This category currently has 8 items... suggestions for new categories are welcome!Eagle talk 03:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I fixed the problem with picking up novels with out infoboxes. Still I have a question or two before I launch the beta version.
Put that another way... The lack of the following items will cause an article to show up on the autolist.
Should others be included, (that are desired on novel articles, but may not be desired on a generic "book")?
Also, please note that some of the time that I have taken to code this has gone into a 'experimental' autocommenting after each entry. (is 50% complete, I need an response to my question above to take this any further).
Please tell me what you think of all this... Sorry for so many messages at once. :)Eagle talk 03:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Will do... If you are out of articles on any of the current lists give me a buzz. Else please let me finish work on the new list. I will get the first 2 up by Sunday unless it is more urgent then that. The prototype should be up... barring any problems by monday. Eagle talk 03:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
This has now been fixed. However, in future, please do not use cut and paste to move pages created at the wrong location as this destroys page history which is required in order to comply with the GFDL. If, in future, you need to move a page but cannot due to a page already existing at the target location, please place a listing on WP:RM. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 10:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
As the title says I am in some minor DLL hell right now. What that is, if you don't know, is best described here. Basically I got a couple file versions mixed up... so I have to go through the code and see what goes to what. I will put updates (using old program) to the current lists on wednesday. The prototype will be up on sometime between thursday and saterday. (depending on how quickly I figure my way out of hell :). Just thought you should know Eagle talk 04:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I got out of Dll hell:) I am posting to ask, do you guys need the lists today? To honest, if I have to see or think of another novel related thing I just might start chucking novels... (are hardback harry potter novels they are around 700 pages long?) randomly at people :). Unless both lists are empty, I ask that you please wait until tommarow. I will post the 2 current lists in the old style. I am aiming for saterday for the new prototypes... It would be sooner... but agian, I need to protect my sanity here:) Thanks for understanding Eagle talk 04:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
I noted you added an FA designation to The Illuminatus! Trilogy. I assume that any novel article that reaches FA status is eligible for this so I went ahead and added the designation to Thunderball. If this is incorrect, please feel free to change it back. 23skidoo 19:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
What of the active lists need regenerated? Please try to keep it to one or two Categories. I am putting the finishing touches on the code. The lists that I will generate today, (depending on when you respond with needed cats) will be through the old program. On saterday I will begin to create lists out of the new program. (First list off will be the novels with out infobox... Finally!!!) Until saterday I will be programming new functions into my code. I will disscuss with you the capacities of the program at a later date... to put it simply, I can do more than generate these "simple" lists. Perhaps you and I need to disscuss this on IRC sometime. I am often on #Wikipedia-bootcamp , perhaps you can look for me there. Thanks for waiting so long! I am sorry about that!Eagle talk 03:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevin,
Congratulations on getting the bot to work for you - now you only have about 2000+ articles to assess! I held off replying until I could see if things were working nicely (I also had visitors show up suddenly). I'll put my main reply here, but I must say as a personal note I'm very excited when a major project like this starts assessing. I spent a frustrating hour or two looking for suitable books to nominate for Version 0.5, but the result was simply a few edits like this. So you can see, I'm very interested in seeing some more major works reach a high standard, we really need them. Regarding MILHIST, they are indeed a very impressive example to follow, and with the scope of your project being so broad you probably need an Assessment Department, if you have the people to staff it. I would suggest contacting directly User:Kirill Lokshin (Generalissimo at MILHIST), who seems very helpful and able to advise you on coordinating such a scheme. Good luck! Walkerma 15:59, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm trying to get involved! Glad to know I'm not totally messing anything up. -- Zagsa 17:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I found an excellent way to lookat ALL existing articles with the Template:Infobox Book!!! Basically I will be looking through the what links here, rather than through a category as originally planned! This has two benifits. 1) We get All to look at all articles with the infobox book on it. (regardless of category) 2)We don't have to look at any articles that don't have infobox book on it. :). I am going to try to generate a basic version of this sometime today. Eagle talk 18:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Please check this list out ASAP. This list is not Novels InComleteInfobox, but it is a prototype that I want experianced editors with WP:NOVEL to look at first. More lists will be posted to this page. Infomation about the lists will be posted on with the lists. Please don't remove the articles, just have a look, make sure that it is accurate, and comment on the format. I want others to be able to see the list. (Yes in the end this page will be for Incomplete novels infoboxes :)Eagle talk 22:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)