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Hi Kevin - Yes, it should be split, but it's a featured article, so I think someone who's a Bond aficionado (or has at least read the book and seen the film) should do it. Anyone you know? ♥ Her Pegship♥ 16:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I hope to get the prototypes up today. That will leave a limited debug period, and with luck we can publish infomation on 3 lists. I desperatly need to know what categories should be looked at for all 3 lists. I am sorry if you gave this to me before, but I ask agian. (All three lists should be new versions, I hope you like them!) Eagle talk 17:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Reply to User_talk:Grey_Shadow#Years_1900_to_1961_done.
I lost count above 1000Grey Shadow 10:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Feel free to publish at any time. I will move what is in the incomplete list to the novels stubs. I am glad you like the format. I will continue to add more, but that will do for now. I will put the new list up today so it does what the page says. Sorry for the delay, I was waiting on your comment. Eagle talk 15:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
For articles that cover both a novel and a movie of the same title, is there a standard article title format to split them up (e.g. "Starship Trropers (novel)", "Starship Troopers (movie)")? Also, is there a standard novel infobox to be used at this time?
And thanks for the heads up regarding archives. Seems a much better way to clean up. x 16:52, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Criteria is as you set it. I will move the book to novel stuff to the right place. within 26 hours of this post I will put up the new prototype list. Status of the code is go :).
ok by 04:00, 7 july 2006 (UTC) I will be ready. Feel free to edit my statement in the newsletter :) I have other things on my hand. Thanks Eagle talk 06:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
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Welcome to the second issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. Particularly as this is only the second issue; any comments and suggestions are quite welcome, and will help us improve the newsletter in the coming months. Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk), Initiating Editor |
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Hello. I thank you for informing you. A good work indeed! --Bhadani 14:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I had forgotten to add my Wikiproject Novels infobox. Glad to ::officially:: be part of the community now. - Runch 14:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I thought I'd give at least the semblance of a try at a Wikinovel presentation of "Red Shift". I don't know about becoming a full-time member of the project though. FWIW despite my location in the USA I was born in Yorkshire. Djdaedalus 16:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, was there a reason that you changed the cat on A Wizard of Earthsea from [[Category:1968 novels|Wizard of Earthsea, A]] to [[Category:Novel series|Wizard of Earthsea, A]]? Cheers Grey Shadow 01:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
How about a reference to the infobox template in this one? One must not assume your background knowledge or wikiproject experience. Just embed some usage notes in noinclude block for the next unfortunatge sod to come along with too little time, or a link or two in this template.
I disarmed the templates you left behind in talk:1634: The Ram Rebellion, since it's an anthology. If the infobox works, I wouldn't mind using it. About half this series is anthology, so advise me on what you've got and where to find it since you are deep into the novels project. Best regards // FrankB 05:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Is in the works right now the list will be up by 20:00 (UTC) The criteria are Name, Author, Publisher, Release, Genre, Country, Language, and ISBN. (these are what you recommended.)
The format of the list will be:
A sample:
Tell me what you think. Also, did not think of it, but please tell me what year ISBN started to be used on books. (I can set up a if than statement checking for this... so that old books won't show up saying it needs an ISBN. :) Eagle talk 06:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and these are filtered for novels. I would be surprised if we get any non-novels (excepting human error, putting it in the wrong cat). Do you think WP:BOOKS would like a list of their incomplete infoboxes? It is easy to do, all I have to do is swap the the novel filter to all articles that Don't qualify, and volia! you have all non-novels. :) Eagle talk 06:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, this list is going to be over 1,000 articles long!!!Eagle talk 06:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
The list is up, Please read the infomation, and have fun! There are over 1150 articles on this list. Tell me what you think!! Eagle talk 07:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I will be gone starting on this sunday at 7:00 (UTC) and will be back the following sunday. I will have NO access to the internet. (just giving you a heads up!) Eagle talk 07:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
If there is any wording changes you need to make, feel free to do so!! also, can you comment on the layout of the list? Also, should I do you think WP:BOOKS would want a list generated for them ? Eagle talk 07:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually it is volenteer work, but will be fun any! I left a message with the guy for WP:BOOKS, hopefully he will respond by saterday. :) Eagle talk 07:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
User_talk:Pegship#Book_.27Tools.27_and_such_topics! // FrankB 18:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
On the incomplete infobox talk page you mentioned cross out things you have a problem with... please please don't cross out anything!!! I can't automatically reorganize these items if some are striked out!!! unless you want to manually re-organize... :) I made a statement to that effect after your comment...
Also, feel free to tinker with the instructions of the page. (and add it to the project Template:WPNOVELS oops, you already did!) On the instructions... I put a basic outline that should be modified, (I will go in an mention that things should be deleted rather than striked out. :) Eagle talk 23:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
particurally this one... I decieded to keep put all articles missing a ISBN field (as opposed to filerting out only articles after 1968).
Two more things:
I am going ahead and filling up all the lists as much as possible. Give all three a check. (I may not get around to Book->Novel) Eagle talk 07:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I was just wondering why you rearrange bits of information within an article on a piece of literature, like in the novel mentioned above. As far as I can see, you have not added anything. In particular, it's the list of characters after the plot outline which I find pointless, especially as this is a suspense novel and characters turn out to be different people altogether in the course of the novel. Others (major ones) I have not mentioned at all so as not to give away the whole plot / the final twist.
What is the idea behind this? Why so much uniformity, which, as I see it, in no way reflects the diversity of literature? I strongly doubt that it is for the user's benefit.
All the best, <KF> 15:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a little confused as to why you've fiddled with this page - moving the character list to after the plot not only seems odd (ever read a play with the dramatis personae list at the end?) and pointless, it also upsets the uniformity of the rest of the Wodehouse articles that've been (and will continue to be, my time allowing) done in a similar style.
Also, the information you added to the infobox is confusing - while most of what's in there relates to the original first publication (publisher, dates etc), your new "hardback and paperback" presumably refers to all later republications. Why not add pdf (sure some chancer's flogging one) and audiobook for good measure?
Don't mean to sound shouty, sure you're doing a great job and all :), JohnnyZen 10:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- I see someone else has similar issues :) JohnnyZen 10:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
- I obviously wasn't implying this was a play, it is of course an article about a novel; I mentioned plays as an example of the standard, generally accepted way of providing a list of characters in use. Is there some reasoning behind putting it afterward in the official structure? JohnnyZen 10:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Seen you have added this - when there are two already WP:NOVEL, WP:NOVELS what is the rationale for another. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you greeted me to Wikiproject Novels, and so I glanced at your userpage. It says that you have over 10,000 edits. How did you count them? Do you know how I could count how many edits I've done? I'm a little curious... LittleDantalk 03:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Cheers Kevin, I've added all the Larrabeiti works that have been categorized to the appropriate lists. If I wanted to add further novels, should I just go ahead and do it? I realise I should just Be Bold but I wasn't sure if there was a different protocol that applied to WikiProjects. -Jim 08:45, 11 July 2006 (UTC) (crossposted from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels/Worklist).
Hi Kevin. I was a bit miffed you put The Wasp Factory and Walking on Glass down as stub quality. I've put a lot of work into both, and while they are far from perfect, I don't agree they fit the description:
"The article is either a very short article or a rough collection of information that will need much work to bring it to A-Class level. It is usually very short, but can be of any length if the material is irrelevant or incomprehensible."
You also marked the edit as minor when it is clearly more than minor. What's going on? --Guinnog 10:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, and thanks for your answer. I'm on the brink of departing to sunnier parts, so I may not have a chance now to fully respond to what you are saying. We'll surely have time enough to discuss this matter at some later point.
Just as far as the quality rating is concerned — this is the official description of "Start-class", according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment:
In the light of Last Seen Wearing ..., I simply do not understand
I'm neither trying to defend a crime novel few people outside a circle of aficionados admittedly know exists at all, nor my own work. I'd be happy if some wonderkid rewrote the text so that it could pass as "GA" or (why not?) "FA". But again: What exactly would they have to do?
I'm going to add this to Talk:Last Seen Wearing ... (Hillary Waugh novel)/Comments as well. All the best, <KF> 11:44, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm (tentatively) querying your categorisation of the 9tail Fox article as stub-class - please see the article talk page. Thanks - Tyrhinis 18:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Please stop assessing articles. Your ratings do not make any sense at all. <KF> 22:30, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you asked about Novel article. When you say cleared things up "a little". does that mean you have more questions? :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm just glad someone who had a cover found the article. ReverendG 21:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've just uploaded a replacement cover of the 1st editon of Dune. It doesn't have the black line, but the condition of the cover doesn't seem to be quite as good as yours. Which do you think is better? Grey Shadow 06:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you have a look at my Sandbox and tell me if the criteria for the "isStub" / "isNotStub" is set to a optimal location. The criteria are:
Let me know if any of the "word count" criteria should be changed up or down. Thanks! Eagle talk 17:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I can adjust the wordcount for each criteria individually (really in pairs of 2 as they are in opposing pairs). Would you please make sure that this is noted somewhere, or tell me where to note this. Right now it is set to a uniform 450, but we may want to make some changes to reduce or increase the number of alerts the program gives.
Also on another note, I am right now almost done with a new alert tag. This one will alert users of all lists to weather or not the novel is in Category:YYYY novels or not. Advice on potential pitfalls is welcome :)
Yes I agree it is hard to design with no imput :) So I am thanking you right now for giving me my needed imput. Thanks! Eagle talk 18:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Do check my sandbox, I have an example of the new feature! Do note, I know it is very buggy (fixing that after this post) You can tell it is buggy becuase it is telling me that an article in Category:2000 novels needs a YYYY novel category, that tells me something is wrong
Also, what does "watershed" mean? I take it as a british term that I don't know :) Eagle talk 18:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I want to create a new list that will work on identifying all articles missing Category:YYYY novels. This is a list that will be run alongside all other autolists, (i.e. looking in the "whatlinkshere" for novels with an incomplete infobox will also run a second operation, all articles with the word novels in it will be checked for Category:YYYY novels and added to this second list. Thus even if the article has a complete infobox, it will still be added to this second list if it does not have Catgory:YYYY novels. Eagle talk 22:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Also, in the future... do you mind if I just create the list and tell you about it after the fact. This would make things easier on my part as most lists I create are on request of another WP:NOVELS user. (this one is!)Eagle talk 22:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Plus: do you mind if I move the book stubs->novel stubs list to a more inclusive name. (help on this is appreciated as I have no clue as to the proper name!) Eagle talk 22:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
The title is a link to a prototype list. This list should have no false hits, and will be updated everytime I update any other list! I request that you put this list in the WP:NOVEL infobox. I fully intend on this list to be useful. Eagle talk 17:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
If you take a look at Talk:On Her Majesty's Secret Service, there appears to be a redlinked category at the bottom called "Category:No-class novel articles". It appears to have been generated by the novel template but I can't figure out where it's coming from as the template page itself gives no clue. The fact it's redlinked means the category itself has been deleted, or possibly never existed, and the term "No-class" is unlikely to be a term the Novels Wikiproject would use. I wonder if this isn't possibly a bit of sneaky vandalism somewhere down the line? I also found it on Talk:Meet the Tiger so I think it might be a template problem. 23skidoo 01:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Re: User talk:Eagle 101#Follow on from Cat:year novels and User talk:Grey Shadow#is that a bug?
Thanks for assessing those articles for me. I wanted to get a bit of a benchmark for myself so that I could better understand how people would assess things: I had underestimated things, so I am glad I made that request rather than just assuming things. I should be able to use this as a basis to improve things, and hopefully make larger contributions in future. Elric of Grans 11:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you know the image in this template has now gone AWOL. Another user seems to have killed the image itself! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevin: I saw you moved all the Larrabeiti articles to the correct dates. Apologies for making this extra work for you; I didn't realise when I added the articles that the date referred to when the article was started, and not when it joined the project. I now know! Jim (Talk) 22:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Adrian Snell is a composer. However, Category:Composers is supposed to be a parent category while the composers are supposed to be placed in its subcategories. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers for these guidelines. I'm in the process of removing composers from the large category and into subcategories, and you are welcome to help. Thank you! Dafoeberezin3494 14:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
You said: "change back to first edition cover - leave or improve 1st quality"
Hi, You commented that you thought the House Made of Dawn article was over-long: could I ask you to please review the changes I have made and give your opinion on the talk page, along with any extant criticisms if necessary? Cheers Vizjim 09:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thanks for the notices about the FARs - please be aware that to get peoples attention our wikiproject uses Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/GeneralForum for its discussions. Thanks :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:BernardCornwell promo.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.
If the file also doesn't have a copyright tag, then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the ((GFDL-self)) tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as ((Non-free fair use in|article name)) or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. 160.218.156.85 22:10, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I updated my part. I will run the lists that need updating later today or tommarow. We need to get more effort on Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/NovelsInCompleteInfobox. This is by far our largest and most complete list. Please have the project take advantage of the work that went into making that.
Hey, I just joined Wiki-projects novels and am a littl confused about one thing. Who do you (or can you) edit the importance and status ratings of an article? I've been working on The Violent Bear It Away's article, and it wasn't rated. Is it something anyone can do themselves, or do you need to apply to it or something? Thanks for your help.
Caesar 00:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Nevermind, I think I figured it out.
Caesar 00:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
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:: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Just a note to say you forgot to put a heading when leaving the newsletter on my talk page. Lcarsdata (Talk) 11:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message.. Somehow, I could not be active in the this project, but would like to do something soon. Regards. --Bhadani 13:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The books you are currently reading sound interesting. Go for it!Lady Nimue of the Lake 10:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing up the footnotes in The Violent Bear It Away article. I couldn't figure out how to do it. anon entry by User:Roxysmashsir43
Is it possible that we could get both of these projects (even all projects that use ((infobox book))) to work on this list as a joint effort. This would save a lot of parsing and potential misses do to not having a particular word or two. Also, with a joint effort we can improve this infobox across all projects. (please note that I can also make a joint, list of missing images in infoboxes... This would be really easy to do if I did not have to parse for "novel" types or "book" types. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I read the left behind series and I think I know alot about the series but there is one thing I must have missed. Nicolae's number (of the beast) is not 666 it is 216. I think I remember Chang saying something about him knowing why but I cant remember him or anyone else saying why it was 216. I am new to this site so I don't know how questions and answers work but if someone could tell me if they know about the number my email is: scruffy600@yahoo.com. thanks so much.
--Scruffy600 04:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I am working on it. :) I have the multi-project list. (not up yet) —— Eagle (ask me for help) 08:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
Sure thing, I can also take care of that delivery. I'm sorry I was on vacation last week (just came back to a hotel with a 56K and logged in to Wiki obviously :). I don't think there will be any obvious problems :)
I'll get back to you tomorrow when I'll be back home :)
Best, Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 14:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for updating my talk page. I hadn't realized that there was a template for that.
Who rates the novels?
How long should a story be before it is considered a novel? Heart of a Dog features 9 chapters and an epilogue, I don't know the approximate number of pages. Same goes for The Fatal Eggs. The Queen of Spades by Pushkin is only 30 pages, but its density is so enormously high, many consider it to be a novel. So hence my question, what is the limit for a large short story or small novel to be included in the project? Are there any objective criteria?
Furthermore, I do think your assessment of Low-importance for Heart of a Dog is too low. I think it should qualify as Mid, as the science fiction genre in the 1920's was not very developed other than Jules Verne, and certainly not in Russia. Besides, Bulgakov is too important a writer to have anything from him labeled as Low-importance; he is the most important dissident writer in the Stalinist era. You really should read these stories/novels, they are very good, you won't be disappointed. Errabee 10:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll do my best to keep an eye on the WP:NOVELS pages. Have a great break! If I have any problems, I'm sure others will be able to help answer any questions. Grey Shadow 11:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks & good to have you back. I'm looking forward to your input on the various questions I've peppered the novel project pages with. :) --Ibis3 12:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
How else can we really verify that it's a promotional photo or what-not if there's no source? (I'm referring to the Alex Rider images that you restored. Oh, well. Look at the Fair use policy:
I'll send them to IFD for discussion and decision, though. Hbdragon88 07:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
(I wrote to you because your Wiki page actually has a link to my fave prog/celtic band Iona - I do a radio show in the US, and I have to label it "Iona UK" because of a celtic-influenced folk band Iona (labeled "US") that has twenty years of material.)
I have a site, Spirithome.com, which is rather heavily used, and has a lot of in-depth articles on various subjects. These are all POV, and thus not directly translatable to Wiki. However, there is an awful lot of information in them that may help developers of the Wiki pages. Do you see a way I can be of help to the Project? Also, there are good "external links" on my site's links pages, that also may be a help.
(For the record : I'm a US Lutheran (ELCA, which is the part that's closest to the old 'mainline Protestants'.)
Rlongman 03:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC) spirithomeatspirithome.com
Hi there, I know that I'm listed as a participant of the Novels WikiProject, but also that I haven't yet done any major work towards building the project. I'd like to rectify that, but I need some advice.
I'm done reading Norwegian Wood (novel) by Haruki Murakami, and I've written chapter summaries for my own reference. I get the impression that a chapter-by-chapter breakdown would be rather too detailed for Wikipedia. Are there any novel articles that you would recommend in particular so that I might have some sort of model to emulate? Thanks. --Tachikoma 14:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to state on the record that the removal of Thunderball from Featured Article status would not have occurred if the Wikipedia community had not insisted upon the article being split up. 23skidoo 13:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Agreed (and apologies if it seemed like I was shooting the messenger -- I know you were just updating the banner). I mean, why was the article nominated for FA in the first place given what these people see as faults existed when FA was granted? I bet you'll find that a completely different group of users voted on the review than voted on the original FA. This is one of the big problems I'm having with Wikipedia - absolutely zero consistency in the applying of rules, whether it's regarding the use of images (I've been told, for example, that we can't use book covers and then I'm told we can), or things like AFD (an article I was following that was deleted was recreated and a different group of editors voted to keep the thing). Anyway, I have vented my spleen by adding a protest to the FA discussion, but I was serious when I added to the protest that I'm seriously considering resigning as an administrator and dropping Wikipedia altogether. It's just too frustrating and I have enough problems. (As it is - no names - we're probably going to lose another frequent contributor over this.) Mind you, for the last six months I've been getting a vibe from this place that certain people really don't want pop culture on Wikipedia at all. No worries about Finnegans Wake but heaven help you if you create an article like The Saint in Europe. Cheers. 23skidoo 14:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
hello i am a boy of 20 and i have thsame ideal that u had when u wrote the book but i do not know how to write my own
Thanks for the note. Yes it is an EAN now but from 1 January it will be an ISBN as well, wheras the ten digit version will arguably cease to be one. Rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 13:25 4 September 2006 (GMT).
Thanks, and feel free to add something if you feel like it. I was originally going to include constructors' titles and wins too, but I got a bit lazy. Although, I might add those later if someone else doesn't beat me to it. Prolog 16:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I've never even heard of it before today. I was able to pull some of the details from [1] and [2], but I wasn't sure if it was first published in English or Russian so I left the language blank.
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It's me Afghan Historian. I would love to help with this article on And Quiet Flows the Don. I read the book and I loved it ever since. I know quite a good deal about it, so I should be of some help. Please ask me whatever questions you need. I insist. Thanks! Afghan Historian 17:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Will do, as soon as I finish work on the Pashtun peoples article. It will be tonight. Afghan Historian 17:09, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I have not helped at WP:NOVELS... is there anything that needs done? Feel free to nag me. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 22:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! Unfortunately, I haven't read the book, which makes things more difficult. And I have a pet project of my own, requiring massive amounts of time on research: Erast Fandorin and all related novels. But I'll be sure to look into it. :) Errabee 10:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, Kevin! I should have mentioned that I intended to flesh out the characters and themes a bit, sorry! I'll see what I can find on Literary Significance. I appreciate the help and the welcome into WikiProject Novels. :) Estreya 14:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I would like to hear your opinion on the process of determining the importance (or priority) rating for a novel. IN the current process, it seems everyone is just following WP:BOLD, without any consensus being reached. I tried to set up a page to reach consensus, but to no avail.
Here are my views: We currently have 4 rating categories: Top, High, Mid and Low. Ideally, the distribution of novels in these categories should be something like: Top 1%, Top 10%, Top 50%, rest. When a project like ours is just starting, you'd expect the Top and High categories to be more densely populated than this, because the most important novels are in everyone's mind, and will get tagged and assessed first. This appears to be happening, as 4.4 of all rated novels are rated Top, 21.9% is rated at least High and 77,2% is rated Mid or more.
Would you find it acceptable to just sit and wait, and watch these figures evolve? And when we are almost done assessing these articles do a final check to reach the percentages I mentioned? Errabee 20:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Kevinalewis. Regeane
hello Kevinalewis, I'm Nimue. My friend Regeane just recently introduced me to this wiki community just a few days ago so I'm pretty much learning all the ropes from her.
Lady Nimue of the Lake 09:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for the feedback on the Clive Cussler novel articles I have been working on. I do have a question regarding some of the additions I noticed you made to some of the discussion pages. I noticed that you added the Novels WikiProject banner to the various incomplete articles which is fine, I was adding them as I completed work, but was wondering about the articles that you also tagged with the incomplete info box banner. I thought that I had completed all of the relevant information for each box so I was surprised to see the tag. What information needs to be added? Thanks! --Ulysses411 22:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
No worries. Here is an example article Talk:Trojan Odyssey. Take a look and if the box looks complete to you let me know and I will remove the banners on the other pages. Thanks! --Ulysses411 23:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
How do I insert an image into the infobox? Could you do it for me on the page The Bone Doll's Twin?
Hi, I just edited the "It Takes a Family" page and put in the ISBN details, but it shows awfully:
Author | Rick Santorum |
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Language | English |
Subject | Family Political |
Genre | Non-Fiction |
Publisher | Intercollegiate Studies Institute |
Publication date | July 4, 2005 |
Media type | Novel |
Pages | 495 |
ISBN | 1-932236-29-5 |
Just at the end, in particular, where it shows as:
(({title))}. ISBN 1-932236-29-5.
I was wondering if (since you seem to know what you're doing) you could fix it, or show me how... Or both (so I don't harass you next time).
That'd be great!
Lincalinca 09:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
You wrote: "bear in mind that this is all edited on a voluntary basis and the work is from all of us."
-- I've been contributing to the Wikipedia since 2001. Got it. :-)
Thanks for your response. -- Writtenonsand 20:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Kevin, thanks for the response on how to handle spoilers. I think that I will go with that suggestion and put in (or demarcate) plot introductions and then take the plot summary further. It's difficult because I, as a user, wouldn't want to read a spoiler for a mystery novel, but then for that very reason I wouldn't look one up on Wikipedia. I think that it's fair to assume that a user would expect and/or want a summary that took in at least the principal points of a mystery novel to the end. If you get a chance, please check the Death in the Clouds entry, which I have reworked along the suggested lines. --Sordel 12:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for assessing that, Kevin. You were somewhat quick off the mark ... I think that I added the first edition artwork subsequent to your assessment, but it won't change the rating. I'm not sure of the publication date: the earlier version of the article gave 1944, and I've seen that elsewhere. Copyright and first UK publication are given as 1945 on the book itself, though, so I've gone with that. There's a chance that it might have been published earlier in another market. --Sordel 08:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Kevin, thank you for drawing the Collaboration page to my attention. Yes, it seems like something to which I should contribute ... especially as I begin to get a sense of the amount of work that there is to do for the Novels Project. I assume that one just participates (i.e. there is no list of members as with the Novels Project)? The only problem that I can foresee immediately is that I am not in academia so do not have access to the books from which a proper article should be put together. Also, I expect that my enthusiasm will wax & wane ... but then, that's what Wikipedia is all about! --Sordel 11:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi there I saw that you have classified "Aarfy" Aardvark as a start page and of low importance. For my information (as I have rewritten these three pages) how does it compare to Orr which is B/Mid and Doc Daneeka which is start/Mid both of which you also rated - and why the differences (from my perspective they are all of very similar standard/importance). Also I might as well ask now, as I will be trying to bring all of these pages up to standard, - what is lacking (I know my english is not fantastic - so hopfully I will get someone else to come along and copy edit) but what else is lacking to bring it up to GA or FA.
Cheers, am grateful for you time --Lethaniol 11:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Kevin, as you have noted, I have been adding project boxes as and when. Thanks for evaluating Crooked House: stub and mid sounds right to me and it's what I would have put myself, I think. Is it okay for me to start assessing as I go? I know that I don't need your permission, exactly, but you're probably the editor who has had the most to do with what I have done, so you'd have some idea about whether my allocations were within the general framework of the project. --Sordel 11:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kevinalewis - as you can see I am slowly getting my way through these characters. Two questions
Keep up the good work, Cheers --Lethaniol 12:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for reassessing 334 (novel) after my recent changes. I have a couple of questions... I know I also need to spend more time on the WikiProject Novels page, but if I may ask you too:
Thanks again... ←Hob 19:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah whoops, it looks like it may have been User:Errabee who did the rating, so I'll direct at least the first of those questions to Errabee. ←Hob 00:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Actually it was started in 26 April 2006, but it has been pretty stagnant. I was aware of the automatic indexing, but it seemed like too much work :). Perhaps Novels and Books should merge their assessment to avoid duplicate assessment boxes in article talk pages (if WP:BOOKS goes to bot assissted indexing), but still have both WP:WikiProjects assessing separately...? Something to consider. P.S. Check out the new Biography box in Portal:Literature. Best, feydey 10:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, do you think Erast Fandorin would stand a chance at being awarded GA-grade? Could you please give some feedback on how to enhance it even further? Thanks in advance, Errabee 15:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
The Original Barnstar | ||
For your hard work rating and classifying articles for WikiProject Novels. -- Merope 13:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC) |
Over 19,000 edits and this is your first barnstar?! Clearly you do not do it for one, but I certainly appreciate your hard work. -- Merope Talk 13:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I was just reading the discussion about whether short story collections should have the project banner. I'm curious as to whether I should have the project banner on some of the Simon Templar books. For example, The Brighter Buccaneer or Boodle (The Saint)? These are clearly short story collections and any links between the stories are tenuous at best. On the other hand other Saint books such as Once More the Saint, being novella collections, probably qualify since if the novellas were published separately they'd qualify for the project since it includes that format. (In fact there are several Saint novellas that were published on their own as well as in collections.) Thoughts? Should the project banner come down from the Saint short story collections? I think it's also used on the two James Bond short story collections as well. 23skidoo 21:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I can re-run that list, anyothers? —— Eagle (ask me for help) 13:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)