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I noticed that you've been very busy tagging and cleaning up various novel-related pages, including several new articles regarding the works of Samuel R. Delany. I'm sure you'll find these eventually, but I wanted to be sure that you are aware of the pages for the Return to Neveryon series. They are in need of tagging. Thanks, --Kdring 17:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question about the scope of the project. Are Japanese light novels considered out of scope? If so, I apologize for tagging all those articles. I assumed they were within scope because the ones I'm familiar with (Boogiepop and Kino no Tabi) do read like young adult novels, if perhaps sometimes a little experimental (Boogiepop's nonlinear structure). Since Vampire Hunter D was tagged as part of the project, I thought other translated works like it were included as well. My apologies for the extra work. -- 9muses 18:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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Yes, I could defend my work on The Castle, but why? I think it is good, others think it is a High School paper. I learned a huge amount while doing far more than in the article, not to mention the same thing for The Trial (never posted). But I drove into Wikipedia to try to contribute what I was learning and share it with others. What I think I found was that there was a group of people (probably small) that "have a better way", or finally have some power, and you have to defend yourself to them. Not my interest in this in the slightest. Many of my articles have been cut to bits or looked down upon. At the same time I can use the work for my own and benefit from that directly.
Thanks for your help. The Wikipedia experience was very interesting but shows too much of the underbelly of human nature I despise.
Todd 03:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I was hoping to use the British English tag on my Wiktionary user page but apparently it only works on Wikipedia...Do you know if I have to use another template or anything on Wiktionary?Zigzig20s 12:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kevin, thanks for your contribution to the discussion at Series of fantasy books. Unfortunately, I'm currently a bit confused by it! Would you be prepared to rewrite it, please, as I can't see where you are coming from?
I think the clearest proposals so far would leave individual books in subcategories by series, under a top category (A). There will also be a category (B) for articles about series. What we need to decide is whether A and B should be the same; I think they should.
Did I just say it more clearly than it's been said before? If so, feel free to recycle the above comment! Fayenatic london 14:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
I added that half jokingly ... just as newspapers have similar sections. feydey 12:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I've generally been putting the Inspiration and Reaction sections before the Synopsis, with the idea of emphasizing the out-of-universe discussion over the in-universe plot summary. Nareek 17:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the assessments on the book articles I've written. Just to let you know, about the references and criticism sections, for now I want to get the articles out there cause there is a lot on the subject, and then I'll go back into my copies and get sources and try to dig up some criticisms. Thanks mate! DoomsDay349 18:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on that - I have a number of much older copies in storage - but chose receent ? australian editions - have yet to find a cite for an usa edition - I used to live on the west coast of tas - my user page photo is from the island looking east - anyways - I have stretched myself into too many threads - will try to find more later - thanks again SatuSuro 14:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
HI Kevin I appreciate it. I have a goal to finish off the main list before the next newsletter goes out. After that I'll probably hit one of the other work lists and maybe update my user page with other projects to do. Mainly I'm going to keep working on the lists, for some odd reason I really like all the detail work :) If there is one inparticluar you think should be hit next I'll go there. Cheers & Happy edits Jask99 19:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback! Liz 00:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
For your kind comments during the behemoth xx by yy discussion. Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 01:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind note. It is a bit embarrassing to have to admit, that the reason I gave for shifting to guest was only part of the truth. Yes, I am busy as I start to embark on my Master's thesis, but there was another reason. Foremost amongst these is that looking at the [[1]] page, I feel that a huge flame war is simmering and will erupt soon. I do not want to be part of that. Perhaps were the criteria for rating importance more concrete it might be avoided. If I may quote myself from another talk page:
I am not opposed to assessment per se. But if I may steal from the ideas of educational assessment, the ideas of validity and reliability are critical. One should establish a set of criteria (a rubric) which defines clearly what the levels of importance are. This should enable any person assessing an article to establish the importance of it and any other person based on the criteria should reach the same conclusion. This occurs if the rubric is reliable. In respect of validity, the rubric should measure what it puports to and not its creators biases.
As a note - neither should it reflect the assessor's biases.
People have their favourites and so the topic is emotive - hence flames. (((
Loyola 09:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Kevin,
Back in July, you rated the Dhalgren article as B-class. I have since expanded and edited the article (along with other contributors, of course), removing hyperbole and adding references in the process. What might be needed to move this article higher up the scale? I'd be happy to attempt further enhancements, I just need a pointer or two.
Thanks, --Kdring 22:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your support! <KF> 11:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've noticed that you've been changing a lot of the "media type" spaces from anthology or magazine to "print" - the ((Infobox short story)) box is designed to work differently from the novels box, and the media type space is meant to indicate how it was published (i.e. magazine, anthology, etc). At least, that's what I intended when I created it, and that's still what it says on the template's talk page. :) I figured you might have a bot set to automatically fix the book templates and told it to fix the story ones the same way. If you think the short story box should be used differently, we can bring it up on the novels project talk page and see how other people feel; I'm relatively ambivalent, and just want to be consistent. :) -Elizabennet | talk 19:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
This Infobox Incomplete is DONE!!!! there are still 28 Unfindables left but I'm not messing with them anymore. Cheers Jask99 01:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
First off, I want to thank you for cleaning up and rating all those articles that I've added.
I would like to question the name change you made to "In Re: Sherlock Holmes"--The Adventures of Solar Pons. I have a copy of the first edition. Both the title, and the half-title pages have "In Re: Sherlock Holmes" in a large font and then The Adventures of Solar Pons in a smaller font on the next line (and no dashes) which would seem to indicate the usual title, subtitle arrangement. The bibliographies I've been using as sources list it differently. Jaffrey, Chalker-Owings and Joshi all list the book as I originally titled the article (with the exception of their using a long dash where I used two dashes to simulate it). August Derleth lists it in the same manner in Thirty Years of Arkham House (1970). Nielsen lists it at "In Re: Sherlock Holmes" only. Anyway, viewing the two parts (of my original article title) as title and a subtitle, the rename of the article seems appropriate. I also agree that the removal of the quotation marks makes sense. I'm wondering, however, if inclusion of the subtitle is appropriate for either the introductory paragraph, or the infobox. Additionally, I think the quotation marks would be appropriate in the same places (they are inlcuded both the cover and the title pages. Do you agree? --Rtrace 22:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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Firstly, thank you for responding about the Quixote article.
Next, please accept apologies for boneheadedness and other irritants. Lame excuse: I did not familiarize myself with the guidelines for this project; frankly didn't realize such existed.
Since my efforts have been both beneficial and a bit of a headache, I shall firstly read up on the project guidelines and also refrain from further development until such time as a consensus and etc. accumulate in the talk pages. Since others are better versed in the wikinesses of the project, I defer to better judgment.
I will follow with interest. Am of course, am glad to have added to the health and general wellbeing.
Verily, Ricardo / PlasticDoor 23:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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You recently applied an assessment to Tales of Science and Sorcery. I'm trying to understand the process here. Is this just your own opinion, or was there a discussion somewhere? (Please note that I'm not questioning this one at all, I just want to make sure I proceed correctly in any assessments I might contribute to elsewhere, so I'm looking for a clear explanation of how people do it.) Avt tor 16:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Are you an admin? The Quijote article is being repeatedly vandalized by a Scottnelson2318. --PlasticDoor 22:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for your help. Improvements and suggestions greatly appreciated. Avt tor
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I certainly think it would be a good idea for groups with a common interest or objective to work together. To get buy-in, we could mention this on the respective project discussion pages. WikiProject Science Fiction is relatively new; we're still working on the basics, so to my knowledge we haven't got organized enough to, say, recruit members. The shared task force would be a great idea with WikiProject Television as well; there are a lot of highly-motivated but narrowly-focused people there, and getting them to work cooperatively could greatly improve the quality of articles. I have a sense that "Science Fiction" can pull in a disparate group of people, while "Novels" probably attracts more English majors who perhaps have a bit more focus and expertise, so cooperation could be very beneficial. Avt tor 15:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that the image used here is the first edition cover. While it is an odd thing to do, the cover art is white with an image of what would become the hardcover edition. I've also made a note of this in the article. - Quolnok 02:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
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Kevin: thanks for looking at the Nigel Tranter pages. You're right about the misleading titles: I didn't think it through enough when I created the pages. Changing it to '...set before..' etc is a good idea, but perhaps the titles are just too clumsy/complicated altogether. I'll leave it a little while before making changes in the hope someone (maybe even me) comes up with something a bit simpler. Or, perhaps make them the long, descriptive title with pages created with shorter titles as redirect pages (like a shortcut) to make linking easier. I'm new at all this, so I'm not familiar with how its usually done. Thanks for your help so far. Gwinva 11:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kevin, thanks for the appreciation in the newsletter and the suggestions on my talk page. I think I'm getting the hang of the categories/subcategories. Finally got enough main space edits in for AWB approval and will be working in short stories at the end of next week. Jask99 18:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Have you looked at the List of Olympic medalists in cross-country skiing recently? Do you want this split by gender to make this article easier to load? It is 40 kB right now. Chris 15:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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Your right about the notability. I did a little checking and the series has 54 books, it was popular, for 1 year the cable station Nickelodion made a tv show with it, and Gameboy made a game of it at about the same time, also seemed like I found some Happy Meal & transformer toys made from the characters. I think only the tv show hits anywhere near the notability for books. The rest of it looks like a small group took on the project, made some strides with it, and then quit last fall. It's a bit of a mess, I'll see if I can get something done with infoboxes and cats in a bit. Jask99 03:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello! I noticed you have listed Catalyst (novel) as a low importance article. However, this book is widely used in high school reading list in the state of New York, which I reside in. Please reconsider this listing. Thank you!
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I think the consensus of the debate was a renaming to Category:Biographies (books) not Category:Biography books... Your thoughts? feydey 03:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I received your gracious invitation to join this project. Do I list my name or do I simply follow the tasks proposed by this group?--Drboisclair 15:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kevin! Pursuant to your side proposal about ((fantasy-story-stub)) / Category:Fantasy short story stubs, I would suggest you propose that type and hold off on the fantasy short story collection stubs. If you look at the ((sf-story-stub)) wording, it includes both stories and story collections, and I think it would be appropriate to start with that sort of scope. Just my 2¢; cheers! Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your improvement to the article!
Happy reading--Pete Tillman 02:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Question... maybe this isn't officially established, but where do you recommend Wikisource links go on short story pages? I see them in boxes in the plot summary but also in the external links section. Is there a preference? Midnightdreary 03:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to give you a heads up, lest you think I vandalized your user-page. I corrected a link to a disambiguation page ... from IndyCars to Indy Racing League. If I made a mistake, my apologies, but if you wouldn't mind, please let me know as I don't make the mistake again in the future. Cheers, PaddyM 20:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Howdy. I just wrote Science humour, on the basis of Mathematical joke. Could you take a peek in, see if it meets the look-and-feel of Wikipedia, and maybe add a bit to the section Science Humour in Fiction? Cheers, samwaltz 12:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Its fine by me. KGV 10:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Well I didn't start the project and I think I am probably the only one working on it right now. I think help will be welcomed. But in the joint force, most members will be on your project as there is little participants in our project right now. KGV 10:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Do you happen to know when this is likely to updated to work with the latest AWB. If this isn't kept alive - it will die. And project doing assessments are finding it extremely useful. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thanks for fixing all those links to the Confessor entry after you moved it to its proper location! :) Sorry I'm such a noob and you have to clean up after me. hehe --DragonGuyver 18:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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Surely not, it's a huge article, lots of sections, images, etc. Quite thorough. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for making the fix! Speaking of the Templar article, I want to take the book/story list and make it it's own article. I'm a little hesitant to do that as it's becoming a bit harder these days to sneak list-style articles past AFD. Are you aware of any similarly formatted articles related to novels or short story collections that I can use as a template? 23skidoo 16:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kevin. We have programatic support for ((NovelsWikiProject)) coming in the next release; I plan to finish and test it tommorow. Could you please add an auto=yes parameter to the template? Any last minute requests or workgroup additions? (Please reply to User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin). --kingboyk 22:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't have an issue if the "novels" wikiproject wants to also take on short stories, but what does it mean when you tagged it a few weeks ago as needing a photo of the first edition? Are you saying that we should turn up an image of the cover of the 1940 Argentine literary magazine in which it originally occurred, or what? (I think this is probably just wrong; if you can sort it out on the article talk page, great, but if you just respond here please ping me on my user talk page so I know to look.) - Jmabel | Talk 01:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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You were getting it as a member of the project. But opting out should have stemmed the flow. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
You need to remove the edit summary ("Tagging"), as I modified it to create a complete edit summary automatically.
Is it working OK? I ironed out a few bugs and made things a bit simpler internally, hopefully it's a bit more robust now.
Please reply at the plugin talk page re your requirements for WP Novels. --kingboyk 13:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Have you tried this? It seems to be way more popular than my plugin for assessments, so maybe you should try it. --kingboyk 12:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Hey Kevin, meant to get back into this but only got through the first 5 animorph books. I'm taking a wikibreak for a month or two depending and will pick the project back up then. I'm sure I'll be in editing something just not as much as I was. Happy Edits Jask99 17:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
I think I accidentally deleted all the EL, thanks for putting that one back in. Question about the 'Release details' section - is it needed? The ISBN is already in the Infobox? Does it need both?
Thanks,
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Thanks a lot for the invite to Novels WikiProject. :) TwoOars 17:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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hi, i have some doubts regarding the use of cover images in book infoboxes...
1. Is it ok to scan / photograph a book cover and use it? Would it be copyright infringement?
2. Would it be considered 'Fair use' if i used an image from a website (say, Amazon.com) because i would not be using the picture to get a profit, nor does it hurt their business? Thanks for your time. TwoOars (T | C) 18:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, regarding this, can you explain to me in further detail or point me to an explanation of why we would have both Category:Books by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Category:Works of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe? In the "Works" cat, we have Elective Affinities, which is a novel, and Dichtung und Wahrheit, which is an autobiography. Are these "books" or "works"? In the "books" category, we have the Italian Journey, which is a complication of journals. A "book" or a "work"? etc. I would appreciate an explanation of why we need both "books" and "works" categories for the same author, since they are all works of Goethe. — goethean ॐ 17:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, What exactly do the 'Preceded by' and 'followed by' fields in the book infoboxes mean? Do we have to fill the fields only when the book is a part of a series? Or are they in the context of the author's publishing history (eg. 'preceded by' meaning the work published immediately before)?... I am asking this because I have seen infoboxes being filled both ways and it is confusing..
Also, about the plot synopses and 'themes' sections in book related articles: most of them border on or are obviously WP:OR. Is that allowed? I remember reading something on self-referencing (?)... whats the policy here?TwoOars (T | C) 08:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up there is an attempt to delete a novel here. It won't pass because everyone is voting to speedy keep, but the nominators rationale appears to be that series books shouldn't have articles and that's a bad precedent because it would result in many articles in our WikiProject being either PROD'ed or AFD'd. Anyway, I don't think this one will go anywhere, but it might be worth keeping an eye on. I'll check the article to make sure it has the proper project banners, etc. but it does have an infobox so it likely does. 23skidoo 13:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing that. Actually I was puzzled that it had only 9 digits and was showing a red link. And then I noticed that the number is SBN and not ISBN. So i guess one just has to add a zero to convert one to the other.TwoOars (T | C) 13:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
How would I go about adding material to demonstrate it's notability? Are you saying add that to the actual article? I don't think I'm suited for this, I don't know any of this stuff. I am just a high school junior and our IB English class is reading the book. Since it's part of IB I am pretty sure that means all IB English classes read the book. I thought it would be important since many students need quick overviews of the book, and there is no sparknotes on it. So, I don't think I should write the article, I was trying to see if someone else would. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.162.40.183 (talk) 10:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC).
So I see. Okay. >Radiant< 11:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Please take another look at the entry for The Catcher in the Rye. This article suffers from bias and editorial commentary. I am working to clean it up, but believe it requires a "starter" rating until it gets into form. Thank you. Bluestripe 16:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree on the issue on double tagging, I didn't create the ((WPBooks)) assessment template as I foresaw the problem of double tagging. I would like to see suggestions to solve this matter. A joint assessment template of some kind...? Well, there's got to be a better way than to tag all novels with two assessment templates. Best, feydey 11:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi Kevin. If by chance you happen to be tagging novelist categories for your WikiProject, please do WP:WPBIO a favour and turn on the WP Biography plugin with the Arts & Ents box checked. Cheers. --kingboyk 10:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I deleted your log pages which only contain the plugin version, so you have some redlink removal to do at User:Kevinalewis/Logs (sorry).
I see that WP Novels has an automation dept now and a /logs page; I propose then that I configure the plugin to upload logs there (so you'll need to change your personal settings back to User:Kevinalewis/Logs, the idea is that it uploads to your personal log - mine is User:Kingbotk/Logs - and your automation dept if you have one (Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Automation/Logs). --kingboyk 16:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey thanks man, yesterday I've been on a template "usage instructions" spree, it was just to delete my whole personal userboxes which displayed "emperor" instead of "user". Well it's been a hard work and I'm not like to repeat it, think nobody would hehe... Thanks anyway. --Emperor Walter Humala · ( talk? · help! ) 01:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
re: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Middle-earth#Templates_II. This project badly needs a fan involved in the project that is an able template coder, and I thought perhaps you might know one or two people you could ask on behalf of User:Carcharoth (If you do, have them contact: User talk:Carcharoth). Thanks! Long time, no see! Best regards // FrankB 17:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't believe the name change was ill-advised. I studied the page, I checked the history, and saw that the article was predominately about the film. As that was the case, I moved it in order to preserve the page history for all the edits, rather than cut 'n' pasting the film information to a new article which would have lost the history for those edits.
I'm not at all sure that moving the plot summary from the film page to the novel page was the best thing to do. The reason I didn't do it is because when I looked at the page history, I found that the text under 'Novel Plot' had originally been under 'Film Plot' until someone had changed the headings but not the text of the plot. [2] Rather than risk putting the plot of the film on the page about the novel, that is why I left it (there is also the fact that WP policy frowns on detailed re-retellings of plots).
I have looked at the page history and diffs again, and I stand by my actions. The article as it stood was predominately about the film, and so needed to be moved so that the novel could get its own article like McEwan's other books. H. Carver 09:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I stumbled across this article while chipping away at the list of novels that need infoboxes. It is another article which has more information on the page about the later film version than it does about the book, though it does have things about the book on it. Rather than try and split it myself, given your thoughts on Enduring Love I thought what I'd do here is draw your attention to it, so that if you have the time, you could split it into Last Orders and Last Orders (film) and I could learn from how you do it, rather than me accidentally mucking it up somehow. H. Carver 01:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, as the uploader, could you address the question on the talk page of this image? Thanks! ~CS 03:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
I missed Your 2nd message on the 23 March 2007 (that's what You get for posting 3 simultaneously!):
Any chance you could help out a bit more formally with things like the newsletter and perhaps things like the "announcements" template.
I've read the criteria for "importance," and therefore understand why "Malone Dies" is not rated "Top." It IS very important, but not in the sense used for this of this assessment. But as part of the Beckett's amazing trilogy of novels, I would expect more interest on the part of the general wikipedia users. Could you reconsider? (John User:Jwy talk) 13:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Why did you revert the category changes I made on the Dirk Pitt novels? All are applicable for the category of "Books by Clive Cussler" in my opinion. Splamo 15:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)