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The result was Merge into Marilyn Manson (person). I'll do a rough attempt which interested editors are invited to refine. (Non-administrator closing). --Tikiwont 09:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Celebritarian Corporation[edit]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Death By Television[edit]

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Not notable. Rocket000 00:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rene "brewedsosweet" Reyes[edit]

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Non-notable artist. Alksub 23:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyriot[edit]

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Not notable Rocket000 23:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Redirect to Distribution (business). Carlossuarez46 17:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Authorized distribution[edit]

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Previously deleted via PROD as unreferenced spam, recreated by an SPA. Although the term "Authorized distribution" may be an actual term, this article focuses solely on the activities of one company in one market sector. This obviously is nothing more than spam. /Blaxthos 23:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nu Psi[edit]

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Not listed on Shenandoah's website as an actual campus group, no coverage in greek org websites, and no actual content. Mbisanz 23:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the link to Shenandoah's organization list http://www.su.edu/studaffs/sa/contact.htm Mbisanz 23:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The above link clearly shows that Phi Mu Alpha is indeed an organization at Shenandoah University.
This Phi Mu Alpha website is hosted on the Shenandoah University website:
http://www.su.edu/stu-org/PhiMuAlpha/index.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinfontastic (talkcontribs) 01:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please see WP:ORG "Non-commercial organizations". It explains how indivdual chapters of an oganization are not notable, unless something notabl occured there. In any event, the title "Nu Psi" isn't appropriate for an individual chapter's article and would probably lead to a WP:NCON with other Greek org chapters. And the article includes an "Upcoming events" section, which is inappropriate for an encycolopedia, see WP:NOT#NEWS. Lastly, it appears from your user name that your associated with this organization, which is discouraged under WP:YFA. Hope that helps explain my rationale. Mbisanz 02:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC) Also, please see WP:COIN for writing about topics your involved with and promotion on Wikipedia. Mbisanz 02:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Community Scholars, Inc.[edit]

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No independent sources to show notability per WP:CORP. Alksub 23:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Elkman (Elkspeak) 15:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fluidism[edit]

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Appears only on referenced artists website. Lacks notability in art community, and no real coverage on google Mbisanz 23:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Welbeck[edit]

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This player fails WP:BIO as he has never played a senior match for a fully professional side. The article is made up mostly of weasel words and NPOV statements, as well as a couple of uncited quotes. WP:BIO is quite clear on these matters, and the article should be deleted straight away. PeeJay 23:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Eluchil404 23:17, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Smith (The Blackout)[edit]

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Google search [1] produces myspace, wikipedia and a BBC Wales "upload your band's details" showcase website for new talent along with other blogging type sites. No significant news or third party reliable coverage to justify a WP article. B1atv 23:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Eluchil404 23:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Rush[edit]

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This article had a PROD placed on it, which was removed the next day by an IP with no improvement to the article. I'm vaguely familiar with this comic, so I tried to improve it, but can't find the sources to do so. Additionally, the article makes several unsubstantiated and controversial claims, such as Rush co-founding National Lampoon (he didn't, so far as I can tell) and being a drug addict and alcoholic (perhaps true, but unsourced and libelous). I don't believe he passes WP:BIO. faithless (speak) 23:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its greek to me foods[edit]

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spam page created by company "founder" and "president" which, despite attempts at cleaning up, still reads like a spam page of a non-notable company. B1atv 22:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • COMMENT: There doesn't appear to be a user User:mmh but the history section notes that the above comment was added by User:Michael_Houllis, the "founder" and "president" of this company and the author and maintainer of the article in question (from which he has removed both "Speedy Deletion" tags and the "afd" tag. B1atv 07:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sauna belt[edit]

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Though I'm sure this infomercial product gets tons of Google hits, it does not as yet have any significant coverage in reliable, published sources. Notice that the ref to the Federal Trade Commission now present does not specifically deal with the sauna belt, but rather with a general principle of the trade commission's treatment of products. Without the ability to verify facts about this subject a credible article is impossible, and thus, one should not exist. A cursory news search provides no recent hits, while an archives search pulls up plenty of adverts from the 70's. VanTucky Talk 22:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An Untitled Story[edit]

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A non-notable game, that severely lacks verifiability / reliable sources. The two other games by the same design studio (Jumper and Hold Off Red), have both been AfD'd and deleted for similar reasons, so I think there's a pattern indicating some consensus here. (Also, as a preemptive warning, previous AfD's were spa-magnets). Bfigura (talk) 22:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-dreamcat (talk • contribs) 00:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC) — Wiki-dreamcat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

spa = single-purpose account. Deor 00:58, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Much obliged, and I think I know where to find an example ;-) Accounting4Taste 01:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy delete. —[[Animum | talk]]

Canterbury Village[edit]

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Non-notable retail complex, tagged for notability since July with no improvement. No notability even claimed. Ten Pound Hammer(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 22:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Theo Vasiliou[edit]

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A biographical article about a businessman who is (rather peripherally it seems) associated with football. Although the article appeared to be of someone who appeared to be notable, further examination of the claims in the article make a pretty strong case that he's not notable and little if any of the info we have about him can be verified. So I think we should delete this article.

The notability claims in the article are very weak: he's a businessman (but there's no indication that the business is anything special), he was involved with a non-league football team (but not, it seems, to a huge degree). He tried to buy a small professional team, but didn't succeed. The claims (present in the article as initially submitted) that he played for two notable English football teams appear either to be false or gross exaggerations (cf Talk:Millwall F.C.#Peter Theo Vasiliou and Talk:Peter Theo Vasiliou) and in turn the weakness of these few verifiable claims weakens the sources (which, in that light, seems more like a press releases than a reliable sources) for much of the article. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete with redirect to Tsuki. Alabamaboy 00:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oi zuki[edit]

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This article, which is about a specific punching technique in karate/Japanese martial arts, consists of about 95% "howto" material, contains no references, and is possibly non-notable, or at least not notable enough to deserve its own article. It is also listed at List of shotokan techniques, and List of kyokushin techniques (there as "seiken oi tsuki"). I tagged the article with ((howto)), which lasted all of 40 minutes before it was taken down, with the rationale that the article cannot be made less "howto", so it seems appropriate to "test" the article with an afd nomination. I believe notability is the primary concern; if notable, a two to five sentence stub (with a reference) would be an appropriate non-howto treatment of the subject. If kept, I also propose a move to Oi-zuki (same title but with a hyphen) to better indicate the compound nature of the word, rather than its current appearance as two words. Bradford44 13:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support; previous work in de-howtoing random martial arts techniques stubs (including this one) has convinced me that they're rarely worthy of their own articles. Chris Cunningham 13:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Maxim(talk) 21:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 01:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

U.B. Funkeys[edit]

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Questionable notability, and other serious problems. I had a field day with Twinkle removing 11 images without license tags, for example Maxim(talk) 21:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC) KEEP KEEP KEEP! This is a fun game, that I like to play. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrincessKirlia (talk • contribs) 20:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Needs rescue, not delete. Mentionned in the NY Times -- Kl4m T C 16:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Giulia ottonello[edit]

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Youtube and myspace star, but otherwise doesn't seem to meet WP:MUSIC. Corvus cornix 21:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete without prejudice against a sourced, NPOV rewrite by somebody independent of the article subject. GRBerry 03:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander randall 5th[edit]

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Weak Delete The subject does not seem to be particularly notable under WP:BIO, the article lacks citations, and it may have been written by the subject. If it can be improved, with notability shown, I would not be averse to inclusion. (note: I originally added a db-bio tag, which seemed appropriate, however, a google search showed that the subject was potentially notable, so I have changed it to this afd nom.) Grand Slam 7 | Talk 21:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Habscast[edit]

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Nonnotable podcast, no independent sources. Claims to be in iTunes "top 20", but no citations. NawlinWiki 21:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was crush with hammer. DS 04:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lobstrini[edit]

Procedural nom; I've just removed a ((db-nonsense)) from this as whatever it is, it's not unsalvageably incoherent & speedy's inappropriate for possible hoaxes. As there's probably no subject on which I know less than Uruguayan fishing boats, sending it here in the hope that someone who does know can determine whether this is a hoax or not. Procedural nom so I abstain. iridescent (talk to me!) 21:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I for one think its real... a duck shaped boat called a Ma - l - ardaquitus... :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.101.60 (talk) 22:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No martini was involved... just the rusty workings of my strange mind... it is indeed a hoax... if a very well thought out and written one, even if I do say so myself! It was intended for a friend of mine but sods law has struck and his mac has decided to pack up... dont suppose we could just leave it on here? (that was a joke). Apologies to anyone who feels there time has been wasted, and to wikipedia for breaking the rules. It was just meant as a bit of harmless fun. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.101.60 (talk • contribs)

The anon user is me, sutok... please feel free to ban me if thats my punishment... :)

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Brandi Cunningham[edit]

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Non-Notable contestant on reality show. The page was obviously made by an agency she is with trying to boost her career. Trevor "Tinkleheimer" Haworth :) 21:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep. Eluchil404 23:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colorado Crimson[edit]

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Non notable new (from 2007) amatuer football club. Contested prod, because they play in the third division of the North American soccer league. No indication that they meet WP:NOTE in any way, though, simply playing in a certain (non-professional) league isn't enough. Fram 20:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --Coredesat 00:58, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Star Simpson[edit]

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This person is known for only one incident. WP:BLP1E suggests that an article on the incident may be appropriate, but not a biography on the person. Wikipedia is not a news blotter. Dean Wormer 20:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Ruby's crime had far-reaching consequences, and has continued to be notable, and he himself carried notability through his lifetime. Not a good comparison. Dean Wormer 21:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Hard to believe anyone would compare a minor conceptual artist to an important homicidal mobster and strip-joint operator like Mr. Ruby. Qworty 03:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If the standard for WP was that they had to be as notable as Jack Ruby, WP would have very few biographical entries. Nbauman —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 17:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. That is a straw-man argument. I'm not saying Jack Ruby should define the height of the notability bar. I'm saying that the assertion that this particular conceptual artist is just as notable as Jack Ruby constitutes a false comparison. Even the women who took their clothes off in Ruby's clubs--who might be considered more or less "artistic" than Star Simpson--do not merit their own articles unless they are somehow notable in the investigation of the JFK assassination. Qworty 18:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The argument was not that Star Simpson is as notable as Jack Ruby, but that someone can be notable because of one notable incident alone.
I think that the incident itself is notable. Many technical people read WP. We now have a system in which (1) Airport guards are under instructions to stop (and sometimes shoot) people who are bearing electronic equipment that the guards are not familiar with. (2) Airport guards are not familiar with common electronic equipment that is used in every high school physics lab, and for sale in every Radio Shack store in the country. (3) This means that any geek in the country is liable to be shot by an airport guard for innocently carrying an object that he or she could not reasonably have known would be dangerous. There is nothing in the airport signs that tells you not to carry electronic equipment that ignorant guards won't recognize. So this is important information to WP readers, and it will still be important after it's not news any more. (4) It also illustrates the ignorance and stupidity of the Boston airport guards and police (again) who freak out at the sight of simple electronic equipment that has been used for decades in signs and jewelry. Haven't they seen an LED before?
People have posted links to WP policies on what is not notable. Can somebody post the links to WP policies on what is notable? Nbauman 21:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Take any subjects that are both verifiable and notable and remove the subjects that are inappropriate for an encyclopedia. 17Drew 00:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK. It's verifiable. It's notable. WP:NOTE "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." That's true.
In addition it's notable for the reasons I gave above. Many people believe that this is an example of an absurd over-reaction by airport security to a non-threat, which could have resulted in her death. That makes it notable.
The objections all seem to be WP:IDONTCARE. What objections do you have that don't fall into that category? Nbauman 02:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can see, nobody has commented on whether or not they care about reading the article. Obviously, individual users' preferences as to what kind of articles they like to read don't have an impact on what articles should be deleted. Maybe the link to Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not wasn't prominent enough. Here it is: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Specifically, articles that don't have "historical notability" don't belong on Wikipedia. 17Drew 04:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll address this to the admins who will make the final decision about deletion.
I've given several reasons why this event is noteable for an encyclopedia. I'm trying to figure out why people are so hostile to its inclusion. If you read the Delete comments, they basically say that we should delete the article because they personally dislike Star Simpson (and many of the comments are abusive). "I don't like her" is not a valid reason for deletion. Nbauman 06:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Would you mind pointing out one comment where WP:IDONTLIKEIT was the primary reason to delete? From what I can see, both Hardnfast and Resolute said that the article should be deleted because of WP:BLP1E and/or WP:NOT#NEWS. The WP:IDONTLIKEIT comments were asides to the actual reasons to delete. If you're still trying to figure out why people want the article deleted, I would recommend reading their comments. WP:BLP1E states that people known for involvement in one event should be covered in an article about the event, not the person. WP:NOT#NEWS says that events that don't have historical notability may belong at Wikinews, but not at Wikipedia. 17Drew 19:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Since you ask -- I was thinking of ad hominem comments like these, below:
"Is Wikipedia going to now create pages for every idiot who perpetrates a bomb threat hoax?"
"If we start adding articles for every random whacko who does something stupid, We'll be having a billionth article poll in no time."
I could accept the argument that it is the incident and not the person that is noteworthy, if you wanted to create a page about the incident instead, or merge it with Boston Logan Airport Fake Bomb Incident. However, you'd have to rename that page, because the claim that it's a "fake bomb" is only the POV of the police. Simpson's lawyer argues that it was never intended to look like a bomb, it doesn't look like a bomb, and it wasn't a fake bomb (and I haven't seen any evidence that it was a fake bomb). "Bomb scare" is more accurate. Nbauman 21:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And as I stated, both people who made those comments made them as an aside after giving a valid policy-based reason. Please stop pretending that people are drawing from WP:AADD for their primary reasons to delete, especially when you still have yet to address how Simpson has historical notability . I've mentioned WP:NOT#NEWS now ten times in the course of this discussion, and yet you still haven't provided a reason why an article about her doesn't fail it. 17Drew 22:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is a story on Slashdot today about the Steve Kurtz case, and the comments repeatedly compare it to the Star Simpson case. They argue that both cases are part of a broader pattern of government agencies arresting artists and other innocent people for possessing ordinary high school science class equipment, and prosecuting them even after they establish that they were not terrorists and were engaged in harmless activities. You can agree with that or not, but it's a valid position that a lot of people believe in (WP:WEIGHT), including civil libertarian lawyers.
This is one more reason why the Star Simpson story is notable, together with the other reasons I've given, which are not refuted by the WP:NOT objections. Nbauman 15:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Her website seems to be gone (times out) so she clearly wants her privacy.Merkinsmum 01:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Or the site is getting too much traffic from people trying to access it.Bupobm 02:54, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is getting international attention. I saw it in the Guardian, the Register, and a few more. Search Google News by country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nbauman (talkcontribs) 21:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was not saying that WP should include everything. I was giving the reason why Star Simpson is notable and important. WP:NOTE "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."
Can you address the question of whether Star Simpson is notable?
Thanks for the links, though. I can now recognize that most of the arguments above are WP:IDONTCARE. Nbauman 16:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You were saying that Wikipedia should include young minor artists because there's disk space and because she's a woman in engineering. That's not notability at all. Especially when she's not an artist as you state; the device was an elaborate nametag for a career fair, not some sort of art project. The news stories imply notability, but WP:NOT#NEWS is a policy unlike WP:NOTE and states that news stories that don't have historical notability belong at Wikinews, not Wikipedia. 17Drew 16:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Who refers to it as a "nametag"? She calls herself an artist on her web site, and some of the articles refer to it as an art work. It's a simple art work, but I know big-name artists who created simple jewelry like that (in metal and semi-precious stones, not LEDs). How do you decide whether she's an artist? Nbauman 17:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The sources state that she had created the device in the shape of a star (her name) so that she could wear it to MIT's career fair and set herself apart. 17Drew 17:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That paragraph of the policy says that it may preclude a bio. I'd take "contextualize" here to mean that, in some instances, a person notable only because of one event can be best covered in an article about the event. For example, we had a Jennifer Wilbanks article, but now instead that title redirects to Runaway Bride case. In this instance, I don't see a more appropriate title. JamesMLane t c 01:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Runaway Bride case involves a "disappearance", a major search effort, a false kidnapping allegation, two lawsuits, and a book deal, resulting in media coverage for several months. WP:NOT#NEWS says that in addition to often covering the case and not the individual, the case should have "historical notability" or else it belongs at Wikinews. This is already off of the Google News front page, and there's nothing about the case that implies it has historical notability. 17Drew 01:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't saying that the two cases have received equal attention. I was answering the specific point you asked me to address, namely the applicability of WP:NOT#NEWS. Specifically, I was giving you my interpretation of "contextualize" in that policy: If we decide to cover something, sometimes a bio article would be appropriate, but other times an incident article is better. JamesMLane t c 21:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The last part of my comment referred to the part about WP:NOT#NEWS that states that articles should have "historical notability". Subjects with fleeting notability belong at Wikinews instead of Wikipedia. 17Drew 00:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is incorrect. Star Simpson did not perpetrate a bomb threat. She never intended to make anything that looks like a bomb, and it in fact does not look like a bomb. It was a breadboard, which every electronics student can recognize. The only bomb was in the overactive imagination of the Boston police.
That is your opinion, mine is that this was her attempt at a publicity stunt. Bottom line is neither of our opinions mean anything in this discussion. This event on its own, and this person do not meet the requirements of WP:BLP1E and WP:NOT#NEWS. This event/person is not likely to cause a change in security procedures nor set any legal president. The story is likely to disappear shortly like other airport security incidents that make the Drudge report (think Monica Emmerson and the child’s sippy cup incident in June 2007). One could make an argument that this topic could be included in an article addressing airport security in the US post 9-11, but on its own it doesn't merit inclusion. Hardnfast 14:28, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I think the misinformation of people who continue to post messages on here referring to a "bomb threat" is further evidence that the incident is misunderstood and that it is important to have an entry giving the correct facts. Nbauman 21:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOT#ADVOCATE. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. If people want to find about about myths and the like, they should use Snopes or a similar site. If they want news, then Wikinews serves that purpose. 17Drew 21:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Especially since the device she was in possession of was not a hoax device, and she didn't violate Massachusets law because she had no intent. Nbauman 17:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

268 (bus)[edit]

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This does not explain why one bus service is any more notable than anything else. Quentin Smith 20:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Kelly, Fond user of the 268 23/09/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.246.42 (talk) 20:46, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


@ above, it MUST be better than the 269, because that service route got taken off when thr 269 and the 269 were running virtually the same route, that a good enough reason? //Benja —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.202.83.183 (talk) 20:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this discussion should be closed now.


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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kristin King (musician)[edit]

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Notability is marginally asserted, but IMHO this still does not meet WP:MUSIC requirements. TexasAndroid 19:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep. NawlinWiki 03:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TrekNation[edit]

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When one considers the tortured syntax necessary to establish how this trek site is different form all the others, one s prompted to wonder: do we actually care that Christian Höhne Sparborth founded this after leaving another network in a huff? Do we need the long list of links to member profiles? Do we, in fact, need a directory entry for this trekkers' fan site at all? I don't think we do. I don't think it's been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial coverage in reliable independent sources. Guy (Help!) 19:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Actually, it would appear that most of the individuals opining here are fairly active editors with a history rather than fly-by SPA that were fed here by a forum post. I've seen lots of !votestacking in my time and it doesn't appear that is happening here (and I say this as someone who takes a fairly dim view of Trekkie fancruft). It simply doesn't look like meatpuppetry to me.--Isotope23 talk 14:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Nicely cited"? This article is nearly wholly cited from such "reliable sources" such as "treknation" and "trekbbs". Sorry, but your argument wrapped around a snarky attack on the nominator and anon IP isn't really very well supported. I make no judgment either way on the inherent notability of the topic, but this article as it stands is a very pretty mess and I hope that at least some of the individuals opining keep will endeavor to clean it up when this AFD closes.--Isotope23 talk 16:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • My computer is part of a network inside the appartment block where I live and consequently, several of the edits are done by seperate people. You should assuming good faith Earthboat and not berate those that do not vote the way you would wish. And if you want to speak of motives, I should note that the creation of this article stems from the denizens of the TrekBBS being miffed that there wasn't an article about them. I would say that the TrekNation may deserve mention within an article about Trek fandom at large but it does not merit its own article.--208.97.117.154 19:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, the "nice cites" that I saw were from Pocket Books, CNN, and Fox News. Perhaps you haven't heard of these reliable sources? If I was snarky, no worries. I'll withdraw my opinion and simply let any of the other large majority Keep votes here speak for me. Isotope23, I see from your contributions that you are pretty much a "block and/or delete" machine on Wikipedia. That wouldn't surprise me, for someone who wants to go out of his way to delete an entity that Pocket Books, CNN, and Fox News have all found time to mention. Not only that, you're removing votes of other users! As for the anon IP, why don't you get yourself a User account and build some credibility? --Earthboat 20:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Interesting assessment; where in the world did you get the idea I am going "out of [my] way to delete an entity that Pocket Books, CNN, and Fox News have all found time to mention"? Would it be when I didn't add a "delete" opinion to the article? Perhaps it was when I suggested this doesn't get snowed so a clear consensus can be reached. Maybe it was defending most of the "keep" !voters as not being single purpose accounts fed here by a forum. That must have been it.
Beyond that, any comments I removed were per our policy on banned editors contributing here. Perhaps you could spend more time getting your facts straight and less time attacking legitimate IP users... that would be nice. Credibility is based on contributions... not on having a username.--Isotope23 talk 22:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
<removed comment by banned editor.>--Isotope23 talk 19:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion - Perhaps this discussion would be better on someone's talk page? — BrotherFlounder 02:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yawwwwwn... It would appear that other news sources mentioning or describing the subject of the article include: Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Winston-Salem Journal, and the Los Angeles Business Journal. One wishing to preserve the article would merely have to obtain these sources from archives, read them, and cite them, right? Or, you could just Delete the article. That's more fun, isn't it? --Earthboat 16:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd suggest just letting it run course. The consensus looks to be a pretty clear keep and WP:SNOW seems to always just invite a deletion review. It should close tomorrow anyway.--Isotope23 talk 18:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Damnit, we already went through one of those. Forget I said it. — BrotherFlounder 22:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete, nonnotable amateur club. NawlinWiki 03:36, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stern rugby[edit]

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AfD-ing rather than prodding as there could be a reason to keep this as a bona fide college sports team (which seem more notable in the US than the rest of the world). However, I don't see how this is salvageable; strip out the OR, vanispam & attempts at humour, and all that would be left would be a two-line stub. As I can't see a way it could be cleaned up, I'm breaking my own rule and bringing it to AfD early rather than tagging for cleanup. iridescent (talk to me!) 19:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was (Somewhat delayed) Speedy delete a7, no assertion that this product is notable; no independent sources. NawlinWiki 04:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copycoder[edit]

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This is not a cryptology device but a toy. It is also not an encryption device as anybody with one of these toys can deciphger anything created with them. A google search reveals only sales and marketing or blogs and no independent or verifable sources to assert notability. Further, this article has been created and maintained by steveostler - the official copycoder.com site states that copycoder was invented by Steve Ostler. B1atv 19:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Has already had two months. Can be recreated if reliable sources emerge. Eluchil404 23:27, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GoonZu Online[edit]

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Marked as unsourced in July, still unsourced. A free MMORG, of which there is no shortage. Guy (Help!) 19:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Planning statistical research[edit]

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This would a fairly sensible passage from a book on Planning Statistical Research, although it does not appear to be verbatim. But Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. Transwiki to Wikibooks. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete (G11). Article states that hydroxagen is not a substance, but rather the trade name for a plant extract used in dietary supplements, notably Hydroxycut. The scientific content is zero, it is pure spam. Physchim62 (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hydroxagen[edit]

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Unsourced article about some chemical compound that was tagged speedy delete as spam, doesn't smell as spammy as all that but it also doesn't seem notable either without any sourcing Carlossuarez46 18:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Silveira[edit]

I really doubt that this person is notable. The sunder king 18:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete under criterion A7. Article does not assert notability. Physchim62 (talk) 18:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A7 applies only to people, groups, bands, clubs, companies, and web content, not to books. So this is more of a deletion under WP:SNOW/WP:IAR than a deletion under WP:CSD#A7. Melsaran (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caught In The Crossfire[edit]

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I'm looking for a quick sanity check and a snowball close here. This is an unfinished novel by an unpublished, unknown author. The wikilink Bobby Graham in the article takes you to a very famous English, not Scottish, session musician, and there is also a retired Scottish footballer, Bobby Graham (footballer). Neither of these famous, and by now rather elderly, Bobby Grahams is a "young Scottish author". The book, we're told, will be "hopefully published upon completion", but no publisher is mentioned.

I tried adding a proposed deletion tag to this article over a week ago, in fact the day after the article was first created, but the original editor removed the tag, which is the only reason the article still exists. Tony Sidaway 18:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete, as non-notable (WP:CSD A7), by Jimfbleak (talk · contribs). —David Eppstein 06:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neris and India's Idiot-Proof Diet[edit]

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nn book, fails WP:BK, possible WP:COI as it is among a number of articles by same editor for books and authors published by Fig Tree. Carlossuarez46 18:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nominator. It should be noted that this editor said on the Wikipedia help page that she works for Penguin, of which Fig Tree is a part. --Orange Mike 19:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to Mass Media. Maxim(talk) 21:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Media industry[edit]

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An unsourced buzzword romp, makes little sense, cannot see that it rises to the level of an encyclopedia entry. Has been tagged for sources and expansion since Feb 2007. The last sentence is atrocious. SolidPlaid 09:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How is the term different from "the media"? Steel industry redirects to Steel, Mining industry redirects to Mining. Automotive industry is a for real article, can Media industry be brought up to that standard? SolidPlaid 10:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The media redirects to Mass media. I originally considered this same redirect for this article, but I think the terms "media industry" and "mass media" are different. "Mass media" is only a part of the "media industry". —gorgan_almighty 10:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Here's my problem: I don't think this term is clearly deliminated or defined. It overlaps with Mass media, and in its present state is worse than a redirect. SolidPlaid 11:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr.Z-man 18:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 01:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Orthodox Jewish outreach[edit]

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No sources given and article is poorly written. Yossiea (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Related AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AJOP. gidonb 14:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I second this nomination, if external resources cannot be added it should be deleted--יודל 18:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

* Delete Yossiea (talk) 18:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You created the page. FYI. You can do a CSD as the page author. Yossiea (talk) 18:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes i did create it but if u think its not according to wikipedia policy i want it deleted. Although i am rushing to add more external links but if in the end of the day i cannot appease you i wont want to be in contempt of breaking wiki policy, so it should be deleted by all means--יודל 18:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hey; see WP:IGNORE (yes, a rule on ignoring rules). If you think you can find more sources then we won't delete untill we see what you find. In the meantime, I'll !vote Hold on to see if it can be source--Phoenix 15 18:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And what are all those links at the botton?--Phoenix 15 18:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Conditional Keep important issue, but must be sourced.--Truest blue 04:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andi Whaley[edit]

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Minor voice actress. No sign of significant third-party coverage. No material seems available to grow the article past the current sub-stub. Pascal.Tesson 17:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. GRBerry 03:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

William & Lydia Bean[edit]

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No sources, no concrete assertion of notability, and quite confusing. There's not really much to say about it, but I do not feel like this is a suitable article. Zouavman Le Zouave 17:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison of Times New Roman, Times Roman and MgOpen Canonica fonts[edit]

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WP:OR, personal observation, and a rather arbitrary choice of encyclopedia topics. No speedy criterion fits, and the author placed a ((hangon)) tag so PROD was unlikely to work. Mangojuicetalk 17:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Procedurally closed. A spelling or naming-conventions dispute about the title of an article is not a basis for deletion. This closure is without prejudice to an AfD based on more appropriate grounds, although I note that the article has already been AfD'd once before with a Keep result. Newyorkbrad 18:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Voßstraße[edit]

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Contested prod. The notability of this street in Berlin has always been marginal; it consists largely of the fact that Hitler's Chancellery used to stand there. However, the chief function of the article in Wikipedia has been, for some time, the ongoing spelling dispute: is it Vossstrasse, Voßstraße, or Voss Strasse? I propose to cut the Gordian knot.

This dispute seem to me beyond reason, and against practice; WP:MOS says, The choice between anglicized and native spellings should follow English usage (e.g., Besançon, Edvard Beneš and Göttingen, but Nuremburg, naive (not naïf), and Florence). But, above all, it is interminable.

Is this article worth the perpetual conflict? Anything which needs to be salvaged can be added to the article on the Chancellery, if it hasn't been moved to Kanzlerei. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was DELETE per discussion below. A REDIRECT in place of the article seems like a good idea. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:46, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jude Stringfellow[edit]

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Delete self-published author written by a WP:COI account, no evidence of notability and if this author is notable, why don't we know the date, year, and place of birth - red flags of non-notability. Carlossuarez46 16:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It would be immensely more helpful if you could find it in your heart to be civil and provide us with references to some of these 100 magazines around the world. Spitting vitriol won't help your position here. In any event, please review Wikpedia's (not "the internet") guidelines for notability of people and Wikipedia's guidelines for verifiabilty. I personally believe you're almost there, you just need to give verifiable secondary sources. Into The Fray T/C 04:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While I realize that it is impossible to truly verify usernames when they claim to be a specific person, I do believe it is worth noting that I have actually seen the Oprah show that this person was on (the dog is so cute!) and I went to the person's blog, [7] and from that entry, it really does not remotely "sound" like the person using that username here on Wikipedia is Jude Stringfellow. The blog is without question, written by the author of the book, and she does not use all caps, or type in the same manner as this username has done. Nor does she really have any problem with the deletion of this article, as stated on that blog: "We have enjoyed her stay on Wikipedia, but to be honest it doesn't make or break her abilities to be presented in public, or to be beneficial to anyone." Further, she flat out states that this username is not her at the top of the blog entry. Again, fully realizing there's no way to verify it, the comparison of the writing styles of this username with the real person's blog, are sufficiently different that I personally do not believe that the username claiming to be the author, actually is. Aside from all of that, I believe that the article on the dog is notable enough, and perhaps the information regarding Jude Stringfellow should simply be merged into that article. ArielGold 14:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just read the blog entitled 'Wikipedia Queens'. The writing may be a little more considered in tone, but the spirit is not so different. The subject's involvement in the article seems implicit, at least. The offense which they seem to have taken, even on the blog, is surprising for someone who is a writer and teacher--one would expect an understanding of an editorial process which strives, imperfectly, to uphold impartiality through the use of reliable sources and the discouragement of autobiography. This is proper for an encyclopedic venture. JNW 14:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I doubt we'll ever be able to say conclusively, nor is it really germane to the conversation here whether or not Jstringfellow is indeed Jude Stringfellow. It's clear that Ms. Stringfellow is saying it's not her and that there were multiple edits where JStringfellow said they were her and, as such, I've listed Jstringfellow on an admin noticeboard with some useful links. The mean-spiritedness of both the persona and the person are vexing to me but, other than that, whether one = other is immaterial. Into The Fray T/C 14:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete a7, doesn't assert notability. NawlinWiki 21:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Memoriez Of A Younginz Legacy[edit]

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This is an article about an album which is not due to be released until 2009 by an artist who appears to be not notable. A google search produced no results for the album title and no sites for the artist other than Youtube and WP.

Ordinarily I'd nominate as a CSD but the article is written as if it is notable and so AFD is probably the best route. B1atv 16:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete a7, doesn't assert notability. NawlinWiki 21:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forever & Eternity[edit]

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This is an article about an album which is not yet released by an artist who appears to be not notable. A google search only produced WP as a source. Ordinarily I'd nominate as a CSD but the article is written as if it is notable and so AFD is probably the best route. B1atv 16:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as a copyvio. Natalie 16:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tgmath.h[edit]

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Per WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATEmadman bum and angel 15:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as a copyvio. Natalie 16:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stddef.h[edit]

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Per WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATEmadman bum and angel 15:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was DELETE per discussion below. Our policy that articles must be verifiable in independent, reliable sources has a strong consensus, and no argument for keeping attempts to demonstrate such verifiability. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Blates[edit]

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Contested prod. My original reason for prodding was: "Non-notable DJ with one independently released EP and a music video "rumoured to be released" in late 2007. 19 Google hits, all for Wikipedia or MySpace. There isn't even a real name in the article, which reads like a hoax, even if it isn't, and it's totally unsourced." The creator has added "real name undisclosed" and 2 references and feels that this satisfies the prod concerns. However, the artist doesn't meet WP:MUSIC and the references are to his MySpace site and to his freewebs-hosted blog, which now includes the news item: "WIKIPEDIA IS TRYING TO SHUT DJ BLATES ARTICLE DOWN!!...I GOTTA GET ALL YOU HOT FUCKING SKETS SUPPORTIG THIZ SHIZ!!!" One EP and a record deal with a company that has 1 non-Wiki, non-Myspace, non-own site result does not a notable musician make. Kateshortforbob 14:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, what makes an artist notable is that they pass Wikipedia:Notability (music). He doesn't. The threshold of inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth, and WP:NOHARM is not a vaild argument. Hut 8.5 17:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In response to above because WP:NOHARM is in place to stop articles being kept on, where unverifyable information is stored which, (although the author means well), could potentially harm the subject. This article however seems to have full backing from DJ BLATES himself as his website seems to endorse this wikipedia article. Although he is not totally notable 'by wikipedia standards' the information i have written appears to be 100% truth, appears to cause no harm whatsoever, and the sources are verifyed by DJ BLATES himself, who shows no opposition for this article.
    What more could it possibly take to save this artice? user:moore.jonathan 23 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment to closer: this user has also !voted above. Hut 8.5 17:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes i have, i am simply arguing against the response to walton4's argument. user:moore.jonathan 23rd septomber 2007. (UTC)
  • In that case, start your comment with "comment", "reply" or something similar, instead of "keep", which implies you are a different user. Hut 8.5 18:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apologies. I have changed comment, and will keep in mind for future reference user:moore.jonathan 23 September 2007, (UTC)
  • Comment The information must be verified by reliable, neutral third party sources, not necessarily just the article's subject. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Bmg916Speak 14:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP!!! Me and at leat 20 other people i know love DJ BLATES he is the next DJ Luck Man!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirstylancaster17 (talk • contribs) — Kirstylancaster17 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Damien Rhodes[edit]

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Declined Speedy Deletion. Limited notability. Further discussion required please. Pedro |  Chat  14:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Articles must demonstrate notability through coverage in third party sources. Also see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Eluchil404 23:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Paint: Paintball 2[edit]

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I've been struggling to find good independent references for this game, and I'm concerned that most of the exsiting references are from a forum. My searches have found some download sites and press releases on sites like Planet Quake and Mod DB, but nothing that would satisfy WP:N. Marasmusine 13:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete doesn't appear to be notable at all. Miremare 16:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Downloads, popularity and longevity are irrelevant (are any of the keepers looking at WP:N?), but the television apearance might be enough to support notability. Can you provide more details? Marasmusine 07:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, let's take a look at some of the other games listed on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_III_Arena - no references listed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_II - Some engine modification, a quote from a developer on a gaming site, and a blog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake - no references listed. And those are popular, commercially published games. Add in some of the free/open-sourced games, and I think the Paintball2 article is in a lot better state than a large number of game articles that are not marked for deletion as far as references go. I'll see if I can find any more information on the television appearance, but that happened some time ago and may not have any readily available documentation/history. --24.199.129.138 23:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete, with no sourced content merge is not viable. GRBerry 01:06, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wormhole (Farscape weapon)[edit]

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This fictional topic consists entirely of in-universe information. There is no independent reliable sources to provide evidence of WP:Notability to justify keeping this plot summary.--Gavin Collins 13:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of entertainers related to academics[edit]

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The result was RESULT:Deleted already by Raymond arritt per A7. non-admin closure. SYSS Mouse 15:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Whiteford & the All Stars[edit]

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Contested prod. Article claims that this band had a number 1 chart hit in Australia, yet there is nothing relevant on Google. Their site is on a free host and has nothing more than 'coming soon'. This is a pretty blatant hoax from what I can see Darksun 12:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. CitiCat 03:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dyson Aliens[edit]

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This article is plot summary from the books. There is no assertion of real-world notability, and the lack of reliable third-party sources makes it impossible for the article to pass WP:WAF. EEMeltonIV 12:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give examples of articles that do pass WAF ? I.e. those that assert real-world notability and do not lack 3rd party sources. I just want to see what's expected of the fiction article in that department. Thanks. Alex Pankratov 13:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Palpatine, Jabba the Hutt, and Padme Amidala are featured articles. --EEMeltonIV 13:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Any examples that are not StarWars, StarTrek or Tolkien ? Anything less mainstream/pop-culture, but still of a good (science) fiction quality ? I'd like to see you address the points that someone raised on article's talk page. Please take time to respond in detail, because we are looking at deleting quality content and merely quoting a policy does not suffice. Policies are designed to be somewhat ambiguous and flexible. Alex Pankratov 14:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not that I know of. After all, more-obscure corners of sci-fi (or any genre) have difficulty meeting Wikipedia's general notability standards and the notability-in-fiction guidelines. --EEMeltonIV 15:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Would it not be because angry editors like yourself keep ripping their articles off, preventing them to grow and find some new public? These guidelines, interpreted your fundamentalist way, are bullshit, no more, no less. 78.113.82.16 18:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment According to the AfD summary by EEMeltonIV this article lacks "reliable third-party sources" but in the examples shown above of featured articles the VAST majority of sources for those articles are actually first party sources, DVDs, novels, companion articles, blogs owned and administered by the copyright holder(s) and fans... that makes me wonder why those sources are more valid than in-universe sources for thsi article. Perhaps if someone could explain the double-standard on sourcing we could avoid more situations like this. I'm being very serious, if there is specific policy on why some things can be self-sourced and others can't I'd like to be directed to it so that I can better understand the debate.--Torchwood Who? 06:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Notability is not inherited; the novel series deserve articles (although not just plot summary rehash and minutiae, which my deletions removed), but that doesn't mean the aliens, planets, characters, technologies, etc. that populate the series are themselves notable. --EEMeltonIV 15:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I cite, because I consider your argument to be invalid here : "Often, sub-articles are created for formatting and display purposes, however - this does not imply an "inherited notability" per se, but is often accepted in the context of ease of formatting and navigation, such as with books and albums."
  • And why not? How can you say that an extensive description of the aliens in that book is useless? It's obviously useful to me, and to other people as well, as it helps comprehend some part of the book that can seem partly obscure to the lambda reader. It may also bring people to get to know the novel itself. What would not be the case with an article that would consist only in : title/author/5 lines about the plot, which seem to be what you'd like it to become.
And if I tell you that I don't freakin' care about Superman or Dr Bashir or Darth Vader's personality analysis? Would I therefore destroy those pages I don't care about?
I don't freakin' know who did put those stupid rules about notability, but YOU seem to NOT be able to understand that just about every rule must have exceptions. This one being a notable one. Period.
Ah, and, as I told before, on fr:wp, you would have been spotted and banned, with an attitude like this. Shame we don't share this same policy here.
78.113.82.16 17:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "It is useful" is not a compelling argument to retain or write an article. Additionally, per the writing-about-fiction and notability-in-fiction guidelines, Wikipedia takes an out-of-universe perspective that relates fictional material's real-world impact and coverage -- critical reviews, commentary, development information, etc. If no such information exists for the Dyson aliens -- if all we know about them is what they do in the story -- then they don't warrant an article and any more than a sentence or two in the article on the (highly notable) Hamilton books in which they appear. If someone out there has written some scholarly or critical commentary on them, then I'd welcome an article about the aliens.
I welcome any and all material on Wikipedia that discusses Superman's, Bashir's, Vader's, and other notable fictional characters' development and critical reaction, as cited to reliable third-party sources. I don't want Wikipedia, however, simply to rehash the comics'/series'/movies' plots; in-universe plot summary is what sister projects like Memory Alpha and Wookieepedia are for.
If you disagree with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take up your issues on the policies'/guidelines' talk pages. WP:FICT just went through a substantial revision based on editors' feedback. that I will do, but it's not the question here
As for being banned from the French Wikipedia: I doubt I'd be interested in contributing to a site that preemptively bans users who've never contributed to it, and who were banned because their edits to another project are cited to policy and guidelines. I am not going to lose le sleep over it. --EEMeltonIV 17:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The mention of fr:wp was pointless, and badly presented, it was just an example.
I don't disagree with WP rules, but with your rather extremist interpretation of them. This is not at all the same thing. ""It is useful" is not a compelling argument to retain or write an article" Who decides what is useful here? You? I gave a context : it is useful, for people to better know the saga, and have a better hindsight about the universe it describes. It can also inspire people in creating forks about this universe (like Bettancourt did with Zelazny's famous saga - dunno the name in english, sorry). There are plenty of arguments in favour of STRONG KEEP. And only your extremist "follow the rule" attitude against it. Rules are meant to be interpreted. My interpretation differs from yours, widely. When my goverment told me to stop listening to several rock or hip hop band, because their lyrics were against the law, I did not obey. Stupid extremist interpretations of rules (in any organization, nation, or group) lead to destruction. This is my opinion. Oh, and what IS your interest in this, can't you just leave this article alone? We, its editors, want to keep it, so let it alone, why do you care, anyway? Does this make you feel important, or whatever? Why can't you just let people alone? We want it kept, can't you understand that? If you don't like it, just go away, and stop readin' it !!! Or do you suffer from The wrong version syndrom ? 78.113.82.16 18:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I also wanted to cite another user, from another AFD discussion, if he may accept my use of his very sensible arguments :
I am yet to see a good argument for the deletion of mainstream "fancraft" articles from this wiki. People often claim that it is not notable, and that it needs to be cited. Rubbish. Wikipedia is written by experts in their own field, who better to fight over the exact speed of warp 5.6 then a bunch of fanatics? People also claim that we should trans-wiki it to another wiki. People don't search other wikis, they search wikipedia - because it is supposed to be the sum of ALL human knowledge - and fiction is part of that knowledge. Fosnez 10:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.113.82.16 (talk • contribs)
  • Well, this user's premise that Wikipedia "is supposed to be the sum of ALL human knowledge" is off; per policy, Wikipedia is not an indiscrimate collection of information. And in that same section (since quotes have credence with you), policy in that section states that "Wikipedia articles on published works (such as fictional stories) should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's development, impact or historical significance, not solely a detailed summary of that work's plot. A brief plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic." --EEMeltonIV 23:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You like to cite laws, do you? As I said on Moya AFD page : I remind you that WP policies are made by its users, as WP would be nothing without them. WP is not a democracy, Nor a dictatorship. But, that's it, go on, delete the entire damn encyclopedia, I've had enough of all of your type. A single question, before I leave : If, say, in a year or two, or maybe tomorrow or next month, Wikipedia decides to change its policy in order to endorse the creation of plot summaries (which are useful, for example to students and pupils to help them in class - i.e. if they study a book in class), in that case, what would you do? Would you undelete all the articles you did delete? Will you stop harrassing us goodwilling small editors? Or will you continue to play God and consider these new policies don't concern you? I have my idea on that. 160.92.7.69 05:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia, as I like to believe in my naive way, belongs to its users, not the contrary.[reply]
  • I find it scandalous that some angry and (maybe) frustrated editor decides ON HIS OWN what is good or not on a page like this one. This has gone far from simple vandalism, it's an organised and voluntary attemps to destroy information of value. There is more than Starwars/trek in the Sci-Fi universe, especially when the book the article is about is a BESTSELLER, which, If I may be so bold, seems to mean a great deal of people were impacted by it in the real world. I say again, I am terribly horrified when I see how much informative data this ONE editor simply erased. I'd say we need an admin to come and see the extent of the damage. I am not familiar with en:wp, but I assure you this would not have gone this way on fr:wp (where I come from) 160.92.7.69 15:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Anonymous editors' input is just as welcome as anyone else's. --EEMeltonIV 15:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - So where is the information on these aliens' real-world notability? Where is even an un-referenced assertion of these aliens' notability? --EEMeltonIV 14:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • You miss the point of the quoted notability guideline for fiction. This article describes a major plot point from undoubtedly notable books. It exists as a sub-article to provide additional explanation about the subject that shouldn't be included inline in the main article for stylistic reasons. The context it provides for the main article is necessary for a full understanding of the subject. Its notability is therefore supported by the notability of the books, which is established in the main article. JulesH 06:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article describes a major plot point -- See WP:PLOT. All this article does is summarize the antagonists. Again, no real-world notability. "A full understanding of the subject" at Wikipedia does not mean simply regurgitating the story, which this article does. --EEMeltonIV 16:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it Hamilton the author who's "hardly notable" ? Alex Pankratov 19:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • yes. 206.230.62.2 17:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Then that's a very strange judgement about somebody who has been described as "Britain's Best Selling SF Writer" (see covers of books in question). JulesH 06:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Additional evidence of Hamilton's notability: [10] [11] [12] JulesH 06:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Evidence of the commonwealth saga's notability: [13] [14] [15] [16] [17]. Note that many of these book reviews directly discuss the subject of the article in question. JulesH 06:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, not a single one of these is from a reliable source. We dont prove notability of books from blog postings and blurbs. I agree though that he and his books are notable. Nobody is proposing to delete them. DGG (talk) 10:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anima Banner[edit]

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This term derived from the role playing game Exalted is non-notable, as the article has no independent sources to verify usage or context outside of its in universe descriptions. --Gavin Collins 12:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 01:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Stauffer[edit]

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Does not meet WP:BIO. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 11:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn (see [18]). Mr.Z-man 03:05, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Donna Ladd[edit]

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Does not meet WP:BIO. Flagged Notability in Feb 2007. Reads like a PR piece. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 11:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: No source for CNN. Assuming you mean Society of Professional Journalists as the well-known journalism journal, as is sourced in the article, that's a blog hosted by SPJ and not actual SPJ writing/coverage. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 12:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment - It's a regular column in blog form, for a very tough audience. I'd say it meets WP:RS. --Orange Mike 00:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply - I think the James Ford Seale case makes her and the paper qualify for notability. It got national press, unlike most of the local newsreaders and talking heads that populate the obscure backwaters of this wiki. --Orange Mike 02:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Her paper, Jackson Free Press, definitely deserves its rightful place/article, but I feel a page for her, herself, is unnecessary, at least in it's current form. Just about everything in her article can be found in the JFP article. And while the Seale case got national attention, she herself didn't other than being the owner of a free 16,000 distribution once a week paper that did some investigative work and reporting when then Gannett owned state newspaper The Clarion-Ledger didn't. As the old saying goes, "what have you done for me lately?" -- ALLSTAR ECHO 12:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:NPOV Read it, live it, love it. I addressed your concerns on your talk page. Please keep the discussion on topic. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 16:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure how a witchhunt concern is off topic here, and you didn't really address my concerns. I also see that you found another critic of Ladd on Wikipedia and asked them to come post here. But I have no desire to spar with you. I'll give you credit for adding a piece of new information to the page, though. At any rate, I've done some searching and found material to help update the Ladd page and did some re-arranging to make it looks like a press release. There is still more material that should be fleshed out better, like what the "national diversity chair" of AAN does. I also haven't found all the links to the BBC and other audio files, but I'm looking. There's out there somewhere if those stations didn't take them down. I thought they were linked to the JFP site but haven't found them yet. Msnatchez 17:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)--Msnatchez 17:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • What part of "it's not a witch hunt" do you not understand? Donna Ladd is the last person I think about routinely, I assure you. The fact is, that as a Wikipedia editor from the Jackson metro area, I read alot of Wiki articles having to do with things in and around Jackson. I decided to see if JFP had an article in WP after having looked at ClarionLedger's article. When I found the JFP article, I even said to myself "cool" because I didn't want the CL to be the only one on WP. Via the JFP article, I came to Donna's article. I found that most of the information in Donna's article was in the JFP article as well and the info that wasn't could be merged, which is why I tagged the JFP article as not citing any references or sources - do you know why articles are tagged like that? It's so other editors can work on the articles and add references and sources such as you have done to Donna's article. After tagging the JFP article, I then put Donna's article up for deletion review, because as I said, in its form at the time, 1) it wasn't notable, 2) was already covered elsewhere 3) had already been tagged in February as The subject of this article may not satisfy the notability guideline and 4) failed to meet numerous guidelines for inclusion in WP. I've kept a NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW, aka WP:NPOV throughout because I knew questions such as this would arise. In all honesty, you'd done such good work referencing and sourcing Donna's article that it now meets the February tag. I'm still not sure she deserves a page on her own since I still believe most of what is in her article is fully mergeable with the JFP article, but that wasn't the point of all of this. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 19:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm fairly new to WP. Sorry I haven't had time to build up a deletion history to prove why any other articles should be deleted. And to correct you, the Jackson Free Press article was never tagged for deletion. Go back and look at the history. I originally tagged it as ((Notability|date=September 2007)) and then realized that wasn't correct and re-tagged it as ((Unreferenced|date=September 2007)) - the difference between the 2 being the box you see at the top of the article page that says:
This article does not cite any references or sources.
Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources.
Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed.
Please know the differences between the tags before calling someone out for something they didn't do. -- ALLSTAR ECHO 19:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Volcano Vaporizer[edit]

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Queried speedy delete. See Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 September 21#Volcano Vaporizer. Anthony Appleyard 11:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, good to see that my request to restore the page again led to some discussion. I aggree that advertising no matter is unwanted. On the other hand it is the device ALL medical research is done with. I know at least 4 independent medical studies by universities (praising the device). Furthermore we are discussion here a form of application of that can be suitable for a whole lot more than just cannabis cause the effect of any substance via the lung is fast. In relation with (Listen up!) independent scientific studies I am sure the provided content is more than just PR - even if only talking about one specific device. (By the way, who is complaining about the iphone site, if taklking over commercial content?) I am pro restoring or rebuilding a new site for that simple product!

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The result was delete and redirect. Daniel 05:13, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious sources[edit]

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I don't see the potential for an encyclopedic article here. The prod was contested with the explanation that the phrase was redlinked from Criticism of Wikipedia - but pretty much anything can be redlinked, so this is not sufficient. GregorB 11:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep, edited to remove copyright violation. NawlinWiki 03:41, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

American Gulf War Veterans Association[edit]

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What is the rationale for its deletion? Anyways, I vote for a "weak keep" since the topic gets over 10,000 google hits and since the Gulf War Syndrome controversy is still notable and ongoing. Revolutionaryluddite 05:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about this, but shouldn't the aritcle survive the AfD if it is notable? Any POV and/or copyright problems would presumably be corrected after the vote. Revolutionaryluddite 04:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That depends. The concern is/was that the article was a copy-vio. Even if you blank the page and start a new article, that copyrighted material will still be available in the edit history, which some of the copyrighted owners might object. Deleting and recreating the article will give it a "fresh start", since previous versions of the article (the copyvio ones) will not be a available for previous editors. Please take note that I advocate its existence, and therefore said that the admin who deletes it should then recreate it, even as a stub. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 10:22, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was bold redirect. Pablo Talk | Contributions 19:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Meyer[edit]

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Article repetedly tagged for speedy deletion Camptown 23:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Revolutionaryluddite 23:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. I third the above opinions. Crassic(talk) 00:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 10:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Several YouTube clips are internet phenomena, but they are not notable articles. This guy has done NOTHING except call attention to himself through this incident. There's not reason to give him TWO articles, which he now has. I think both articles should be deleted, but as a compromise this one should certainly be redirected. Timneu22 13:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cables on Demand[edit]

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The article is a paraphrase of their 'company profile' page. Looking at the original version of the article, posted by Avneet, a user who is now gone, it is clear that the intent was to post an ad -- the article contained full contact info for ordering, etc.


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The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 16:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of sports[edit]

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article is one gigantic list with many redlinks. This is what categories are for. Perakhantu 17:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete a7, webcontent with no assertion of notability, just started today. NawlinWiki 21:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Solofm[edit]

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Advertisement. Inherently unverifiable through independent sources, as the station only starts braoadcasting today. The very model of a minor general 10:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, if not speedy. Into The Fray T/C 11:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kaleidoscope Gang[edit]

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entirely unnotable. EP not yet realeased, and the claim that Priest stay away from the kids has already leaked across the internet is not confirmed by google. The very model of a minor general 10:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, if not speedy. Fails WP:MUSIC. Into The Fray T/C 11:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. StaticElectric 08:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fascism, in this case deletion is a bad thing. If this network agrees with the principles of freedom of speech and democracy this article should stay. Just as in parliament, the people decide about the laws by voting. Let this article be as it represents if not a majority, a minority of people who have rights too, and can surely use them with disadvantageous consequences. Max —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.154.234.139 (talk) 13:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just because you are unfamiliar with how WP works, it does not follow that we are Fascists. StaticElectric 22:39, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Move to User:Montchav/2007 Rugby World Cup try scorers in lieu of deletion. —--Montchav 10:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2007 Rugby World Cup try scorers[edit]

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No need for such a specific article. An overview of the information is given at 2007 Rugby World Cup. PeeJay 09:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Change If I understand correctly the original intention of the author, this should not be an article, but a list SyG 08:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maritime Air Charter[edit]

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Fails WP:N. No non-trivial, third party reliable sources can be found which establishes notability for this small general aviation operator. Russavia 09:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 01:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Air Southwest (Canada)[edit]

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Fails WP:N. No non-trivial, third party reliable sources can be found which establishes notability for this small general aviation operator (flight school mainly). Russavia 09:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Delete per WP:CSD#G5 banned user and also WP:CSD#A7 notability no asserted. Pedro |  Chat  11:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yung D.[edit]

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Fraudulent page. This million seller artist seems to have been heard of only on Myspace and Wikipedia Kww 09:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The keep arguments are not tremendously pursuasive, but there is certainly no consensus to delete.--Kubigula (talk) 19:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Witch Alone[edit]

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Plot summary of a book that appears to fail WP:BK; the article does not refer to any secondary sources. The "Keep" arguments in the last AfD (one year ago, closed as "no consensus") cannot stand by today's version of WP:BK. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 08:53, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Mr.Z-man 01:11, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Christian ska[edit]

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The same thing as ska (or more precise, third wave ska). Does not deserve its own article. Punkmorten 08:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am adding the following related page because it is a list of nonnotables:
List of Christian ska bands (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) --Evb-wiki 14:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Eluchil404 22:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Clackson[edit]

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Notability and verifiability issues. The three weblinks uses as references do not prove notability: once a member of council of a town with 478 people, a scanned img of one newspaper article from an unknown newspaper, and a link to his coat of arms. The one ref that is supposed to prove notability is to a book or paper "X-ray Studies of Defects in Diamond and Gallium Arsenide", but if you google it all that turns up are wikis about this guy. Unknown if this reference is even real, certainly not verifiable. The article says he has something to do with the Clackson scroll formula, and then in that article the reference is unverifiable, and doesn't show up on google at all either. Search for "Clackson scroll formula" on google and you only come up with various wiki pages. Google the guy's name and you only get wiki pages, and a couple posting from a message board. No proof of Notability and Unverifiable. Celtus 07:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 00:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gargoyles in fiction[edit]

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Trivial unsourced list of mentions. Yet another "let's clean the article by moving this section to a new article". CONDENSE instead of just moving elsewhere. RobJ1981 06:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

this appears to be a SPA, devoted wholly to deleting in popular culture material DGG (talk) 00:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
language, language. DGG (talk) 00:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was withdrawn by nominator. I wasn't aware of the tunnel fire before nominating this article for deletion (it wasn't mentioned in the article at the time), so I now feel this street is notable for inclusion. --—Scott5114 20:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC) (non-admin close)[reply]

Howard Street (Baltimore)[edit]

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Non-notable street in Baltimore. Not part of a numbered highway. —Scott5114 05:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just because it has some history, that doesn't make it notable. Has anything of historic importance happened on the street? —Scott5114 06:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not part of a numbered highway is actually the standard litmus test. If a state is numbering this road as a highway, it must have a good reason for doing so (considering that also usually means that the state takes on maintenance for the street). It's also a rule of thumb for making sure that we don't get an article for every little 119th Street in every city in every state. —Scott5114 06:40, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • What Wikipedia guideline is this numbered highway "standard litmus test" stipulated? Sounds like you're making up an arbitrary standard. Anyway, Howard Street isn't just a "little 119th Street". --Oakshade 07:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Normally major shopping streets are bypassed by numbered highways. Streets serve not just as traffic corridors but as part of a cityscape. By the way, all roads in Baltimore, even I-70 and I-83, are maintained by the city, except the few that are maintained by the Maryland Transportation Authority. --NE2 08:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Some "numbered" routes actually have an importance lower than those without numbers, and therefore, are not as worthy of Wikipedia articles. Sebwite 20:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge. To be done by the editors of the destination article. GRBerry 01:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Clan Duncan[edit]

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There is no Clan Duncan. There is a Clan Donnachaidh (Duncan is an Anglicisation of Donnachaidh). The surname Duncan is considered a sept of Clan Donnachaidh, and there is one website trying to create an independent Clan Duncan, but that's it. So there is no Clan Duncan, though there is a Clan Donnachaidh.Celtus 05:06, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The revolution theory[edit]

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Not notable. Seems to be a local group, with no mainstream coverage. No verifiable links and google turns up only 39 pages for the title plus the founding location of Pizza Hut. Mbisanz 05:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a bit new to the AFD process, so if there is a quicker way to deal with articles like this, I have no objection to using it. Mbisanz 23:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)ň[reply]
Check out ((db-copyvio)) --MikeVitale 23:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Windsor Mill Road[edit]

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Non-notable city street. Not a numbered highway. —Scott5114 04:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Meanwhile, there are many reasons for this and other articles strictly of regional appeal to be notable by Wikipedia standards. A place does not need to be known worldwide in order to be notable. Sure, people in Montana have no interest in Windsor Mill Road. Neither do they about all the public high schools in Baltimore County, most of for which an individual Wikipedia article does exist.
As for this article, it is well referenced, with information from reliable published books. The plain route description is verifiable from a Mapquest-like website. What Wikipedia policy opposes is creating an article on your own side street. Meanwhile, if you sit by Windsor Mill Road for some time, not a minute will go by without a large number of cars passing. Sebwite 14:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Meanwhile, this article, which I initially wrote as a small stub, has been expanded by others, and has really grown. It has more room for growth in the future. It already links from several other articles, and links to many more. It is 7.5 miles long and runs through both Baltimore City and County, so it does not work well in an article about a single town. Sebwite 01:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Merge requires sourced content. No content is actually sourced here. GRBerry 03:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scarran Dreadnaught[edit]

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Alien spacefaring race in the TV show Farscape, the Scarran--who have their own page--have large warships called Scarran Dreadnaughts. This is hardly surprising, and since we know what a dreadnaught is, how does this page enlighten us? Non-notable even within-universe. I will take a break from nominating Farscape pages to see how the debate shapes itself. Fans of the show should look at the lack of information in this page before reflexively arguing for retention. Ditto for Docking web, below. SolidPlaid 04:36, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of Cprog artists[edit]

The article for Cprog has already been deleted due to original research and no reliable sources of the genres existence, Now this list of "C prog" artists needs to go for the same reason. Spydrfish 04:24, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Merge requires sourced content. None is present. GRBerry 03:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Docking web[edit]

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A fictional (and minor) tool used in the show Farscape. No outside claim of notability. According to the page, the writers of the show can't keep the facts on this one straight. If they don't care, why should we? SolidPlaid 04:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. CitiCat 02:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talyn[edit]

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In-universe, a search on Google for Talyn and Farscape finds oodles of fan pages, but nothing to establish notability. These ships are characters, a feature of Farscape, but I see nothing of substance. Fans of the show may come in droves to defend the page, but without citations giving us something to hang our hats on, it should be deleted. SolidPlaid 04:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm not planning on AfDing all the characters on the show. Why are you abstaining from the other Farscape AfD debates? If you know in your heart that they deserve deletion or retention, say so. SolidPlaid 05:28, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Look again, and you'll see that I've already given my opinion on all the others. If I've inadvertently missed some, then please let me know and I'll post a comment there too. I believe the WP:OSTRICH comment below relates to a concern that you are unfamiliar with the series and haven't taken the time to properly assess the importance of these subjects, not an accusation of bad faith as such. Talyn and Moya are characters, not just ships, so I say again - I don't see why these two should be singled out. PC78 13:59, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, because they are computer generated. Because they are like the Tin Man on Star Trek TNG. Because I couldn't find any independent critical analysis of them on the internet. SolidPlaid 03:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Moya appeared in almost every episode. Talyn appeared throughout most of seasons 2 and 3. They really aren't comparable to a single episode character from Star Trek. PC78 10:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant by saying Moya is like Tin Man is that the idea is a rip of Tin Man. SolidPlaid 17:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What's that got to do with AfD? Besides, I'm fairly certain that Tin Man wasn't an original concept. PC78 18:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
See, what happened was I discovered this giant collection of non-notable articles, and decided to nominate some of them for deletion. I knew that people would really go to bat for the characters, so I nominated junk like Docking web. The problem is that to me, a person who does not watch the show, all the articles looked like junk, more precisely, like citation-free junk. So I nominated things, and the upshot is that most of what I nominated will be deleted. Also, I hope that this debate will galvanize fans to fix up the articles that remain, so that they won't get nominated for deletion. May I point out again that no out-universe citations have appeared on the page? SolidPlaid 22:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
May I point out again that blatant cleanup issues are no reason for AfD? My problem is that your nominations seem a little indiscriminate - yes, some of the articles are trivial rubbish, but other like this are really necessary. You keep pointing out that these articles lack citations, but have you really put any effort into finding out whether or not sources exist? If you're planning on nominating more articles, I hope you show a little more care and consideration for a subject you freely admit you know nothing about. PC78 14:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This not a blatant cleanup issue, I did put in effort. I will keep nominating articles, and since fan-created articles are so poorly written, it is likely that I will nominate articles that people really want, as opposed to the ones they only kind of want. Farscape fans should emulate the response of the Star Trek fans when I put a merge tag on Gomtuu (Tin Man). They were like, "kill it." Farscape fans should start trimming all the non-notable articles they can find, right now, and put the citations on the articles that they think can survive. SolidPlaid 14:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it's a blatant cleanup issue! These articles need referencing, rewriting or merging, not deletion. What effort have you put in? You admit to not being familiar with the show, so what's your interest here? Regarding Gomtuu, you only had a single reply to your merge request, and obviously Star Trek has a significantly larger fanbase. I want to assume good faith with you, but your rampant and indiscriminate AfDing and prodding of Farscape related articles suggests that you're trying to make a WP:POINT. A lot of work needs to be done on a lot of content here, and things aren't just going to happen overnight. It's not your place to make demands on other editors. PC78 01:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And yet no one has put DHowell's citations on the actual page. Why aren't you and other people who care about this topic willing to add those citations? Are you trying to make some sort of point? Here's the upshot; the article still is written in-universe and has no out-universe citations showing notability. A cynic might propose it for AfD again, in about three months, at which time it would be much less likely to survive if left in its present form. SolidPlaid 06:11, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What am I supposed to do, go out and buy the books just so I can rescue an article from AfD? Don't be absurd. (And thankfully it looks like this one's a keeper, anyway.) It's a cleanup issue; tag the article for cleanup and raise your concerns on the talk page - don't just bring it straight to AfD, especially when you don't have a clue regarding the subject. Things just don't happen around here according to your schedule. PC78 09:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a library, then? I have a clue, which is that Farscape has way too many articles for the number and quality of citations available. SolidPlaid 18:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If Tin Man was not original, then derivatives of Tin Man are even less original. SolidPlaid 22:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This really is irrelevant. PC78 14:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm not sure I know what WP:OSTRICH means, but I am nominating in good faith. It looks like Moya and Talyn are getting many "votes" to retain, but the arguments are repetitive. I still don't see one single citation appearing on the page itself. Rhetorically, I'll ask again, "Why can't citations be found?" SolidPlaid 05:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Who says citations can't be found? As I said above, AfD isn't cleanup, and there are various cleanup tags you can add to this article, none of which were present prior to this discussion. PC78 14:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I looked for citations, found nothing beyond fan-generated in-universe descriptions. This is nothing like Harry Potter, where one can find thoughtful analysis on .edu websites. There is a book, Investigating Farscape: Uncharted Territories of Sex and Science Fiction (Investigating Cult TV) that might rise to the level of a good source. I don't own it. SolidPlaid 03:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have addressed this question extensively. It needs citations that don't talk about it in-universe. Even something as simple as "voted second favorite computer-generated sf character by the readers of TVguide" would do. SolidPlaid 06:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We have only your word for it, and the page itself still has not been updated with these or any citations. SolidPlaid 22:59, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. GRBerry 03:20, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Prowler (Farscape)[edit]

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In-universe fan page. No claim to outside notability for this ship type. Almost reads like a "how to" pilot it. Google finds plenty of fan pages that mention it, most are indirect.. SolidPlaid 03:49, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - If it is so major, where are the citations? Just how popular is the TV series? Having an avid fan base that does a lot of Wikipedia editing isn't a convincing argument. I personally could be swayed by citations along these lines, and will cheerfully withdraw these nominations if they are forthcoming. SolidPlaid 04:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete. Non-admin closure. The Evil Spartan 00:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moya (Farscape)[edit]

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In-universe fan page. No claim to outside notability. I searched in Google; many hits, seemingly all fan-based and largely indirect. No doubt a group of editors will fight for retention. To them I suggest making a new wiki, if one does not already exist. SolidPlaid 03:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Then you'd be for deletion of Docking web? Anyway, I'm not sure it's notable even if it is a major character in the TV show. SolidPlaid 04:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why not. Moya is to Farscape what the Enterprise is to Star Trek: the main setting of the show. It just happens to be that Moya is a living organism. Kind of unusual, but...—Scott5114 05:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Enterprise has a bit more notability. You may recall that Star Trek fans managed to get NASA to name a space shuttle after it. I'm an sf fan, but we need citations to establish notability. SolidPlaid 05:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right, but I was merely drawing a parallel. :) —Scott5114 05:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree with most of what you have said. None of this should be deleted. Some people will say that it should be merged into one page. But then when the page grows into a lage and detailed article, people complain the page is too large, so it gets split off, and then ironically it gets deleted. Kind of pointless IMHO. I am yet to see a good argument for the deletion of mainstream "fancraft" articles from this wiki. People often claim that it is not notable, and that it needs to be cited. Rubbish. Wikipedia is written by experts in their own field, who better to fight over the exact speed of warp 5.6 then a bunch of fanatics? People also claim that we should trans-wiki it to another wiki. People don't search other wikis, they search wikipedia - because it is supposed to be the sum of ALL human knowledge - and fiction is part of that knowledge. Fosnez 10:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even if Wikipedia was to be the sum of all knowledge, certain of the Farscape pages should be folded into others. Part of the dislike for so-called fancruft is of its indiscriminate nature. For example, it would be amazing if one of the fans decided to merge International Aeronautics and Space Administration into an appropriate Farscape article before it gets nominated for deletion. SolidPlaid 08:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And maybe it should become one. Maybe these AFD discussion will trigger a change in those policies. I remind you that WP policies are made by its users, as WP would be nothing without them. WP is not a democracy, Nor a dictatorship 78.113.82.16 18:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The problem is that certain fans go overboard, and create page after page on every minor detail of a show. Debate is healthy; I nominated Rantath Flux, Moya, Prowler, Talyn, Docking web, and Scarran Dreadnaught for deletion, and we can see what topics are truly important to Farscape fans from the result. How else could those of us on the outside have known? SolidPlaid 08:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd say that this looks VERY close to note six of the official notability policy page [28]--Torchwood Who? 04:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
also, for what it's worth, I've located at least two sources which are independent on Google Book Search for Moya. [29] I've already stated my position on this, but I do think dismissing a MAJOR character / setting of a series as fancruft isn't the road we need to go down. Maybe some truly minor characters, for example, kolrami from Stark trek TNG [30] might be better served on a dedicated wiki, but I have to support the theory that those searching wikipedia for farscape would be expecting a certain level of dedicated information on Moya. --Torchwood Who? 04:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I made a concerted effort to search, but my skills were not up to it. Even so, most of the books Torchwood Who? found talk in-universe. This whole debate gives us two examples of lack of perspective. One, people cannot find a way to write about their favorite book or show critically—they reguritate the hard work of the few talented folks who wrote/directed/acted the material. Two, people outside the fan base cannot distinguish the important from the non-important on Wikipedia pages because of the poor writing. I have a very liberal take on "importance," in which I always ask myself the question; "Could somebody in the distant future find themselves getting a PhD on this topic?" That said, somebody may get a PhD on Farscape someday, but probably not on Moya alone. SolidPlaid 07:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was thinking more along the lines of Moya as part of Spaceships on Farscape saving all the other ship articles from AfD. I watched Farscape on DVD once (can't say I was a fan though), and I remember some specials talking about how the set of Moya was build and what it was made of etc. Although this doesn't constitute third-party sources for establishing notability, it at least proofs that there is real-world information about the subject. Kind of like writing about the puppeteers of Dominar Rygel XVI (also an inanimate part of the show yet still a major character). Encyclopedic coverage of major characters of a TV show, I would say. The fans of Farscape just need to show that they are willing to provide such info, or the next AfD will surely nip them in the butt, and then they can't say there wasn't enough "warning". In the meantime, I'd give them the benefit of doubt. – sgeureka t•c 09:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Significant coverage of the ongoings with Moya in the TV shows, or real-world context? The difference is critical. —Erik (talkcontrib) - 19:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GOOOH - Get Out of Our House[edit]

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This group is described as a new political party which will nominate ordinary citizens for the United States Congress by an Internet-based nomination process. However, no sources have been provided other than links to the group's own web site (or miscellaneous political links that don't actually mention this group). The names "GOOOH" and "Get Out of Our House" generate mostly unrelated Google hits, other than the group's own web site and attempts to promote the group on social networking sites; I couldn't find any independent reliable sources. The article was submitted for proposed deletion, but the PROD tag was removed. I recommend a delete. Metropolitan90 03:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 16:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of representations of Seattle in popular culture[edit]

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A prod tag was unceremoniously removed. Elements of the list could be turned into categories such as "Movies set in Seattle". List is not really about popular culture anyway, nothing like "Seattle is rainy" or "Everybody's moving to Seattle" are referenced. Fee Fi Foe Fum 03:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Carioca 20:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Older[edit]

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Article is about a non-notable player. No reliable sources have been provided that show he played in a fully professional league or is otherwise notable. E.g., the Swiss and US clubs are amateur or semi-professional. Jogurney 03:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. NawlinWiki 03:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gameheads[edit]

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Seems quite spammy and non-notable, but I fear hitting it with a speedy deletion tag will end up in its being listed here anyway. Fee Fi Foe Fum 02:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • It needs to have multiple, non-trivial reliable sources to prove its notability. If you've had large amounts of media coverage that would count as reliable sources, I'd suggest adding that to the article. Generally, though, unless a film has received lots of coverage and some awards at major film festivals, it's not considered that notable. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Publicity articles have been added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erkman27 (talkcontribs) 19:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. CitiCat 02:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Towson Bypass-Burke Avenue-Putty Hill Road-Rossville Boulevard[edit]

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Non-notable local arterial. Not a part of any numbered highway. —Scott5114 02:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Even if this is kept, it's in desperate need of a title change. The present title is a tad confusing. Hersfold (t/a/c) 03:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The landmarks may be notable, but what makes the road notable?--Victor falk 20:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator of this article has made other weak nominations. For example, he nominated Howard Street (Baltimore), only to get a long, unanimous list of "keeps." Some of the user names involved in the above 4 deletes are also involved in the Windsor Mill Road discussion, only giving more fuel to the possibility that these people are all supporting the nominator's cause. The times posted are all very close. What is the likelihood that such a large number of people would each support the deletion of articles on two separate streets in different parts of town under such indentical circumstances?
Anyway, this article is notable for many reasons. Wikipedia policy opposes the creation of a page on your own side street. Meanwhile, this is a road that altogether (under its many names) is more than 10 miles long, and is of great importance to the county. Just sit anywhere along the road, and not a minute will go by without a countless number of cars passing. The information about its route is completely verifiable from a Mapquest-like program. Other information, for which finding sources will take longer, can also be verified. I do agree that the title should be simplified. I just have not thought of a new title for it yet. Sebwite 15:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So if four people hold the same opinion, they must all be socks of each other? --Rschen7754 (T C) 20:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am not automatically accusing them of sock or meat puppetry. But I am bringing up my suspicions as a concern. It is just the appearance of the whole thing. Besides, in this debate and especially the one for Windsor Mill Road, the nominator seems to be strongly rebutting all posts in favor of keeping the articles. Under no circumstances should these articles be deleted without this being investigated by an expert in the subject and resolved. Sebwite 23:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, okay. Until then, assume good faith, please. —Scott5114 23:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that all four of us have extensive edit histories going back 1-2 (for me 2.5) years, and considering that I live in California, master_son lives somewhere in the Midwest, JA10 lives in Pennsylvania, and TMF lives in New York... --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't known Baltimore, all you know is data, not the whole picture. I have lived in the Baltimore area for 30 years, and driven down these roads countless times. Others should feel free to post. But more weight should be given to those who know these roads well and know what they are talking about when they view the road as notable. Sebwite 23:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So "my vote should count more than yours?" No. --Rschen7754 (T C) 00:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the numbers of "keeps" and "deletes" is not the basis for the decision. It is the meaning of the points made in the arguments. The "keeps" and some of the "merges" here have made really good points in favor of keeping. Meanwhile, the "deletes" are mostly out-of-towners who are thinking technical and trying to back up others who posted "deletes" or else rebutt the "keeps," but who really do not know the road and why those who voted "keep" felt it was worth doing so. Sebwite 19:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In some sense, out-of-towners (or those even Timoniumites who don't come down the road) may be more able to see clearly here. If the road is only of extremely local notability such that it can't be described to others and even that notability can't be supported, is it really notable? See this essay for some thoughts. DMacks 19:16, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete Mr.Z-man 01:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feast of Fools (podcast)[edit]

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Tagged as unverified and lacking sources for a loooong time, no sources have been provided. Photo is credited nicely, though, which must please the photographer. Anyway, there are an unusual number of different single purpose accounts in the history of this article, notably Feastoffools (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), plus some real editors. The article itself does not in my view establish why we should care, but it does do a decent job of promoting the thing. Noth that we are here for promotion. Guy (Help!) 16:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep - for now, consensus seems to be that a rewrite is/has been most appropriate. Non-admin closure. The Evil Spartan 00:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cognitive module[edit]

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Essay on cognitive functions or something. According to the talk page, it's a cut and paste from a GFDL source. I don't know the policy on that, but it's a definite AFD candidate so I'm listing it here.-- Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you be more specific in why this article is an AFD candidate. I have tried to modify it so it should not any more be an AFD candidate. If I have not done this rightly, please tell me what is wrong and how I can make it not any more being an AFD candidate.
Jpalme 12:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)jpalme 13:36 (UTC) 5 September 2007[reply]

I think that the critic is making the argument that the text might be violating copyright or that the article is really from a single source. It would pay to include in-line citations from authoritative sources and to put in links to other wikipedia articles by double bracketing a term like evolutionary psychology and rewording the article to facilitate such links. The latter effort might show what has or has not already been covered in WP. Please forgive me if you already knew all or some of this. DCDuring 13:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, I have added a link from the article to Evolutionary psychology. I also found another article in Wikipedia (entitled On Intelligence) which describes somewhat similar ideas as Cognitive modules so I added a link to that article, too.
Jpalme 16:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the notices on your user page discussion tab. DCDuring 13:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The provider and original author of the material actually knows what he is talking about. It is a great first draft. We just need to wikify it. The original deletion issue arose because a bot identified a potential copyright problem which has been resolved. This article is far, far better than many articles not marked for deletion.DCDuring 15:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC) DCDuring 16:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The subject might be worthwhile, but it would need a lot of work. The end result won't look much like what we've got. I'd be willing to take a run. DCDuring 16:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I look forward to that. It is great cooperating with people in creating a better article.
Jpalme

I have a decision tree: I have put a little time in to trying to encourage the author (Palme) to work on improving it with citations. I don't know how long it would be appropriate to wait.

I intend to find more references, but that may take several months. I have borrowed two evolutionary pscyhology basic books from the library and will check them for support of the article.
Jpalme 17:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone know of any significant work on any invidual "module" that has benefitted from the theoretical modularity framework?
  • If there were, that might be a reason to have a separate cognitive modules article. Therefore KEEP
  • If there is only theory and an alternative vocabulary for talking about cognitive faculties, then MERGE.

DCDuring 17:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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We may need a good article on "cognitive modules", but the article would have to be about the question as to whether and in what sense they exist. There are plenty of folks doing research as if such things might exist in hopes of demonstrating that a particular functional capability is embodied in a cognitive module. The sense in which they exist is very unclear given the apparent plasticity of the physical brain. The research seems to be concerned with relatively basic functions in sensory and motor processing. A relatively high-level function that is ascribed to one or more modules is language. The article that we are dealing with discusses modules that come into being in the course of one's education and socialization. If it is difficult to determine whether the more basic functions are "modules", if will be still more unclear that "prejudice" is a module.
I would love to learn more about the research being done in this area. I just don't think that we are likely to find the expertise for much depth among Wikipedians. It would take a lot of OR and improper synthesis to produce something that was coherent, IMHO. DCDuring 16:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Language module and Visual modularity articles have some references to good research. The problem is that this article attempts to apply models unproven at the level of basic brain functions (speech, hearing, and visual processing, where brain function modularity is most likely to exist and apply them to behavior and attitudes. There are not likely to be acceptable sources for this. In this article "cognitive modules" seems like a relabelling of "habits". DCDuring 13:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
comment what does "Strong rewrite" mean? This article is abysmal. It does not belong in an encyclopedia in it's current form. Keeping this article as it stands effectively suspends WP:V and includes WP:OR. Why not just delete it, and wait until somebody writes an article which meets wikipedias standards of quality to replace it? Refusing to delete this, if no one is going to fix it, simply means we reject the notion that there are minimal standards for inclusion. Pete.Hurd 06:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong rewrite Gut and stub is was I meant, exactly. And I meant to do this myself (though if anybody wants to help I don't mind :). The current text should be linked to its original site as a reference (at most). I've been doing some research on those modules, as to have a one-line intro and a couple of sources. --Victor falk 13:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Gut and Stub seems like a reasonable course of action, althought I note a great deal of activity to add sources. DCDuring 13:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Based on the "gut and stub" recommendations above, I've now had a go at removing the uncited material, material only supported by self-published sources, and obvious original research. This left a number of non-sequiturs, so I've trimmed them out as well. I have also deleted those "further reading" references which are not directly used to support the argument in the article, lest they be seen as providing support by numbers and reflected reputation of their authors. Where there was ambiguity about relevance, I've tried to give the original material the benefit of the doubt. There's really not much left.
Update 2: In fact, going back to the original source material, there's so little left that no coherent article remains. I've now trimmed it to a stub. There may still be a good article to be written about this, but it should be rewritten from scratch, with detailed cites to peer-reviewed literature in the relevant areas of study. With the help of User:Victor falk, I've put a list of possible sources on the Talk:Cognitive modules page. -- The Anome 14:57, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus?[edit]

Are we reaching a consensus that this stub is to be retained and not deleted ? The original question was whether this article should be merged. Apparent decision was "No, nothing to merge". What would be in this article that would not be covered in modularity of mind? DCDuring 16:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

''Modularity of mind'' seems to be only oriented towards inherited basic capabilities, and not include learned modules in the concept of cognitive modules. To me, this seems very restricted, since that excludes most of human thinking, since most of human thinking is using also learned and not only inherited modules.
There seems to be a disagreement of whether the term cognitive module is to be used only to refer to basic, general cognitive methods used to create more advanced thoughts, or also to refer to the more advanced thoughts created using the basic modules. For example, with the first definition of cognitive modules the ability to rapidly compute trajectories of moving objects is a cognitive module, but the ability to use this capability to play basket ball is not a cognitive module. With the second definition, also learned capabilities like the capability to play basket ball are themselves a set of learned cognitive modules. Different experts seem to use the term cognitive modules in these two different ways.
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The result was Keep.--JForget 16:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Civil war in Iraq[edit]

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Content fork to Iraq War, Iraqi Insurgency, and Post-invasion Iraq, 2003-2006. Isaac Pankonin 02:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The subject is covered in more detail in other articles. No information is unique. It's the same information under a different title. Let's say there were two articles named "Hillary Clinton" and "Senator Clinton". You would want one of them to be deleted. I thought "content fork" was clear. I apologize. Isaac Pankonin 02:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this a content dispute. All articles are notable and duly referenced, but highly controversial. The article you nominated as a fork has withstood a previous nomination, and was created over 2 years ago. Given the highly contentious nature of these subjects, these should be processed through the proper channels before simply nominating for deletion as a fork. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 12:54, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete WP:SD#A7. Non-admin closure. Carlosguitar 08:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Tomorrow (band)[edit]

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Article lacks references and documentation. Band does not appear notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Band accomplishments seem so thin I considered going for speedy delete but the age of the article and number of contributors suggested this route. I'd say delete but I'm very curious how others will view the article. Pigman 02:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was DELETE per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Spiegel[edit]

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delete there is nothing to suggest that this doctor's medical career yet merits inclusion. At less then 7 years in practice, there just isn't anything there (yet). Skimpy Google footprint & Medline trail. Droliver 02:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Brown metal[edit]

The result was DELETE per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominated for speedy deletion A1 and contested. I don't believe it's speedyable outright (though feel free to speedy for something if you think I'm wrong), but it certainly appears to be less than notable. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article may be eligible for speedy deletion as of now (i would probably delete it myself, if i were an admin), however, as stated, Brown metal is a new sub genre and more information is coming all the time, soon it will be a legitimate article, and thus, should not be deleted for the time being. I plan on adding more information as well as pictures that help represent Brown metal in the future. I do not believe this article should be deleted yet, but possibly in the future, if i cannot come up with enough information to make this article legitimate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by C-briskettt (talkcontribs) 02:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

--Gp75motorsports 15:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)Gp75motorsports[reply]

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The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 17:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Glory Farm Primary and Nursery School[edit]

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Elementary school, has a bit more detail than the schools that I have nominated in the past. School seems to have an agricultural theme. I doubt that will help it rise to the level of notablility. SolidPlaid 01:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete You're right, there's slightly more marrow scraps in that bone than usual. But I still say as usual: no claim to notability whatsoever.--Victor falk 13:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Snowball delete. Maxim(talk) 22:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Electrical Fish[edit]

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Delete claims of several gold records defeats the speedy nomination, but I can find no confirmation that their records ever went gold or did anything really. NN band /hoax claim of gold records. Carlossuarez46 01:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Redirect. The content remains in the history if anyone wants to merge, but there doesn't appear to be anything sourced. Eluchil404 23:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rantath Flux[edit]

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In-universe, pure OR, probable copyvio in the pics, no claim to notability, even within universe doesn't seem too important to me, more like a plot device. SolidPlaid 01:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I would leave this article to provide definition of the term when it is used in the 74 articles that link to it. For reasoning see the examples in this page. Fosnez 02:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Oh, now that you pointed them out, I duty bound to nominate investigate most of those 74 articles for deletion too, for the same reasons. SolidPlaid 03:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I hope that was said in jest, in any case I will be watching your contributions very carefully. Fosnez 03:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I see you have already started... This should be interesting... Fosnez 03:56, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I am being very careful to stick to articles that have no apparent outside notability. My concern is that these things are uninteresting even within-universe. I have argued for the retention of certain Harry Potter articles that I felt had importance within-universe and outside. My take on deletion is long-term, and I always ask myself this question: "Could somebody in the distant future find themselves getting a PhD on this topic?" SolidPlaid 04:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I agree that some of the articles you have already nominated need work, but deletion is not the answer. They should either be fixed up or merged to Farscape (Plot Devices) - Fosnez 04:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. John254 01:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)[edit]

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Way to indepth for an encylopedia, this content should probably be just deleted and a important detail or two be left to merge into a sonic list or something.DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 01:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you want a merge why is this on AFD. I ask because deleted articles can't be merged so deleteing this would mean it can't be merged. This really should have been on the talkpage first. --67.71.79.76 01:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Maxim(talk) 18:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Savalas[edit]

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Delete fails WP:BIO, notability is not inherited. Carlossuarez46 00:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete, only arguments for keeping are from article author, whose username and use of the first person, below, indicates relationship with the subject. NawlinWiki 05:01, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LFMG[edit]

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Fails WP:BAND The Evil Spartan 00:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - well, I see they made it back to touch up my cleanup, but neglected to answer my questions on the discussion page or particpate here. Into The Fray T/C 11:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I've repeatedly directed you to WP:MUSIC to tell us which criteria LFMG satisfies. For musicians and ensembles, there are 12 criteria. Based on what you've said above, you have partial support for #1 (you have been written about in The Miami Herald) and perhaps support for #10 in that you performed at what might be a notable event. You do not need to upload your sources. We assume good faith here. They merely need to be verifiable sources. So, what date of the Miami Herald were you written up in, etc? Please read the links I keep giving you. Into The Fray T/C 23:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article was in The Living & Arts Section: May 9, 2006. Like I said: I have searched it..and can not find it in the archives online. I also can not find the Sun-Sentinel article or the Miami Times article(s)(2)..but I have copies in front of me. As for SuperMotorFest..It was a pretty well promoted event...it was at A Car Show @ The Orange Bowl??? Promoters don't rent out the Orange Bowl with the intention of putting together small, not notable events? There were THREE different stages playing live music simultaneously..The Event Schedule proves that. It was a genre mixing event..We were on flyers and posters all around Miami promoting the event(It's was a Car Show, please do not think the website reflects the way it was promoted) There were commercials on T.V.(we were not mentioned in the commercials, but the concerts were) ..this was a 2 day event. You ever heard of South Beach??? If you live in Miami..go look at the poster walls on Washington/Ocean. There are a lot of LFMG posters...performed every weekend @ Clubs all over South Beach and Dade County/Broward for several years. If I only have to fill one criteria..than most definitely performed @ several notable events: Super Motor Fest '07(7,000 to 12,000 people at the event), Miami Apollo @ The Joseph Caleb Center, which broadcast on a local station at a later date(not national broadcast, but it was a notable "Live event"(3100 hundred people, sold out..also placed second), The Arabian Nights Festival: a yearly parade in Opa-Locka, Florida that has thousands in attendance always(have performed at this event for 4 years)..as well as preforming weekly locally for years. So #10 should be unquestionably met. In all technicalities #1 should also be met. All those papers I mentioned are the three largest Newspapers in Miami-Dade/Broward Counties. Not to mention being written about in not 1 but, 4 College Papers..which I believe means created atleast a significant buzz in those schools radio stations. Miami-Dade Community, UM South, F.I.U. North, and F.A.U. papers gave us a mention. There are a lot of artists who are Off the Radar..LFMG is one of those groups right now but, still notable. And I believe satisfies the requirements for #1(though can not find articles online myself) and #10 is met undoubtedly. But I see it is open to interpretation and in all rights..this is the only way to keep things fair and prevent this from becoming an advertising board. I respect the rules and have a better understanding of them and now definitely know this group's notability requirements are met. I will try to find the articles by searching under "LeftField or Left Field Muzik Group" the group was better known as LeftField from 2002-2005..this is why, for legal and promotional reasons, the group name is LFMG(to distinguish from Leftfield the Electronica group). That has happened. Leftfieldmuzik 05:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)Leftfieldmuzik[reply]
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The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Dunin[edit]

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Subject is a non notable person, and hence fails BIO. A google search reveals few topics. CO2 00:04, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral I'm still convinced of notability if claims are verified, however verification remains to be satisfied. KTo288 10:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It is not clear to me if Herman Noordung fully superceeded Dunin. The artice on Noordung says that he calculated the geosychronous orbit. From all I can tell, he may have just calculated the height of a geosychronous orbit, whereas Dunin calculated how to actually get into it, which is something different. But I don't know enough details to say one way or the other. Bubba73 (talk), 02:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is this user's first edit. Tim Vickers 00:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The subject is clearly non notable, and the article is pure vanity. None of the old or new references support notability of Stanley Dunin one iota •CHILLDOUBT• 13:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This user has made few other edits. Tim Vickers 00:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:N suggests: "Availability of secondary sources covering the subject are a good test for notability." The subject individual's life does not appear to be covered by reliable, independent, available secondary sources. (sdsds - talk) 01:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete. Borderline, revising my view upon a second look. The article is horribly unsourced. If kept, it needs a gutting or a heavy sourcing immediately, either way. • Lawrence Cohen 18:55, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
citation note: WoS was never fully updated from the program used to produced it as a printed book from punched cards back in '65. For the relevant years, it only includes the first author in the cited reference index. So to find all the citations to someone's papers, you have to find all the individual papers (assuming he's among the first 5), and then look each one up under the first author's name. DGG (talk) 03:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually Syncom 1 failed and Syncom 2 was the first to reach geosyncc. orbit. Bubba73 (talk), 05:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That also happened in 1963, three years before this Dunin meeting abstract was published. You can't claim that a publication described how something could be done for the first time if this publication was made long after this had already been achieved. Tim Vickers 05:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep, member of several bands notable enough for articles; article now has source; vandalism can be cleaned up. NawlinWiki 05:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carl-Michael Eide[edit]

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This is a non-notable person. Everything that is said in this article is already written in other articles, where information can be verified. Subject fails to meet the relevant notability guideline (WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, see also Wikipedia:Deletion policy). This page has brought nothing but vandalism. The article is also not sourced. Delete. Death2 00:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep, wrong place.. Maxim(talk) 22:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of overviews[edit]

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This is pretty much a list of articles on random topics sorted by various categories, like a table of contents of sorts. However, something in this format certainly does not belong in the mainspace. I am listing it here because discussions on moving it elsewhere have failed or stalled. As long as it remains in the mainspace, it is an indiscriminate, directory of very loosely connected topics, and is self-referential, and is a candidate for deletion. If kept, this should be moved as a direct result of this AFD discussion. Coredesat 00:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Microeconomix[edit]

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1 office, four employees, very few google hist (<500), no real assertion of notability other than the fact that it was the first economic consulting firm in paris (though founded only 5 years ago) AdamBiswanger1 15:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Microeconomix : well you can delete it if you think it should be. But as I saw that Nera or Lecg and other economic consulting firms had their own article in the section, I think it would be fair to delete them too... in this case, the categorie "economic consulting" should also be deleted... Best regards. Regarding the conflict of interest, indeed I am the ceo of Microeconomix but I think that the presentation fo microeconomix was as objective as other contributions in the same category.

I'll check out those other companies, but the ones you listed seem like pretty large companies with offices all over the world. AdamBiswanger1 18:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: One of the arguments to avoid is known as other stuff exists, trying to justify one article because a similar article exists. I checked the history of those arts, but there's no obvious conflict of interest (one was created by a still-contributing editor who has over 500 edits; the other was created by a now-dormant editor who appears to have stubbed a number of articles). If you object to those articles, you're also welcome to contest them, just like pretty much everyone else.... Yngvarr (t) (c) 18:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

MicroeconomixOK, no problem. I should have take another name to create this article ;-). I don't understand the argument about the size of company and did not think wikipedia was only for big companies. If this is the case, then this article should indeed be deleted. But I understand that a category "economic consulting firms" or any other category related to firms could not be the purpose of wikipedia.It is a difficult debate to decide wether ant to what extent companies should be included. —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 18:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for your input-- if you'd like an idea for what Wikipedia's official stance is, check out this link: WP:ORG. AdamBiswanger1 18:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's not so much about the size of the company (tho there appears to be people who participate AfDs using that as a basis), but more of a matter of notability and verifiability. There are guidelines located at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), and also the general notability at WP:NOTE. There's probably some other stuff, too, but I think for this discussion, notability is the main point. Yngvarr (t) (c) 19:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. DS 14:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hartwell High (Show)[edit]

The article is about a supposed sequel to Flight 29 Down starring the original cast. However, there appear to be no sources saying that such a sequel is being produced and no relevant references on IMDB or Google. The article creator is now claiming (on the talk page only) that it's going to be a 3-d animated show on YouTube -- however, the article still implies it's an actual live-action filmed show with the original cast. The most charitable reading of this is that it's a fan-produced animated show on YouTube, which is nowhere near sufficient notability (at this time) for an article. In my opinion, it's probably a hoax from bottom to top.

The related article, List of Hartwell High episodes will be added to this once I jump through the right hoops.
ArglebargleIV 17:22, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages:

List of Hartwell High episodes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

-- ArglebargleIV 17:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just Leave it alone, it think that it should be put back up because the ratings on the show are very high on youtube

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