March 18

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 18, 2020.

Duck and Cover (film

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The result of the discussion was delete. as unhelpful searchbar clutter, failing WP:RDAB. ~ mazca talk 17:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible typo, but is has existed for nearly 3 years so it does not qualify for R3. This becomes the venue. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:07, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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President and CEO

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WikiIndex

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 00:07, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a redirect to a list where the topic is unmentioned. This redirect was created as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WikiIndex; however, there is no entry on the list to suggest that this redirect is necessary. Utopes (talk / cont) 22:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep What changed since Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WikiIndex? ―Justin (koavf)TCM 23:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Non-notable topics that can be represented in a list are usually redirected to the list as an "R to section". However, this is a redirect that targets a list where the topic is never mentioned. Therefore, if there is no encyclopedic information about "WikiIndex" at the current target, then the redirect should either point to a different target, or be deleted. Alternatively, if somebody felt inclined to write a passage about WikiIndex as a list entry, then I wouldn't be opposed to withdrawing the nomination. However, in the current state of List of Wikis, there is no reason for WikiIndex to point there. If the goal is to preserve the content in the history, then there is always WP:REFUND for when the subject receives more coverage. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ST47, Masumrezarock100, Clnreee, Spinningspark, Sandstein, Fa suisse, MJL, GermanJoe, Piotrus, Jstalins, CAPTAIN RAJU, 94rain, and Largoplazo: Just because you all commented at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WikiIndex. Reckon you may care about this. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 22:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • I removed it because, as the lead says (and as the HTML comments say, and what I would figure self-evident from this being the only non-bluelink), it's a list of notable wikis. Consensus at the afd doesn't change that. As such, delete. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:19, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Middle-earth dwarves

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 00:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The template was recently "merged" in a recent TfD (in practice the other templates already had all relevant links) and this template now redirects to ((The Lord of the Rings)). That is bad as a just as valid redirect can be to ((Middle-earth)) or even to ((Hobbit)). Any result can lead to WP:ASTONISH. Since the template is unused, a better solution would just to delete the redirect. Gonnym (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Dwarves

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The result of the discussion was delete. signed, Rosguill talk 00:06, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No exclusivity for Dwarves in middle-earth. Such a generic name should just not be used for a specific fiction, even if it's Tolkien. Gonnym (talk) 20:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hoa Thanh

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The result of the discussion was Move disambiguation page to Hoa Thanh. At the risk of supervoting, this seems to be the best way to resolve the issue raised here. signed, Rosguill talk 18:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Hoa Thanh (disambiguation) per WP:XY.

It's really obvious from Hoa Thanh (disambiguation) that "Hoa Thanh" is the non-diacritic form for both "Hòa Thành" and "Hòa Thạnh". However for some reason, Lithopsian keeps redirecting the page Hoa Thanh back to Hòa Thành. In the past, the disambiguation page hasn't been created yet, so it is acceptable that it should be redirect to the only article with the diacritics that correspond to that non-diacritic name. However, recently I've added the pages Hòa Thạnh and Hòa Thạnh, Tân Phú, so that redirect is clearly violating WP:XY.

In this case, it makes no sense to say that Hòa Thành is the primary topic for Hoa Thanh (disambiguation). If the page was Hòa Thành (disambiguation), then I agree that Hòa Thành is its primary topic. However, in this case the page name is non-diacritic, so Hoa Thanh may refer to both "Hòa Thành" and "Hòa Thạnh". The same applies to the disambiguation pages Tan Thanh and Phu Thanh. ChanComThemPho (talk) 19:21, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No more targetting or titling changes should be made to either page nor to any of the articles on the DAB page while this discussion is in progress.
Diacritics are a problem on Western keyboards. I know how to find vowels with acute accents on mine, but not ć. It does support the old Alt-Numpad trick, so that Alt-129 gives me ü. All well and good; but the Vietnamese alphabet is festooned with multiple diacritics used nowhere else on the planet, inaccessible to mere mortals.
Proposal. I see no PTOPIC for Hoa Thanh without diacritics. Hoa Thanh should be at the basename and Hoa Thanh (disambiguation) should be a WP:MALPLACED/WP:INTDAB redirect to it (which will require a WP:ROBIN swap). With that out of the way, clear up any residual mess. Narky Blert (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lithopsian, for the first revert, I won't discuss it but for the move (especially after I created an article for another locale named "Hòa Thạnh"), there's a lot to say. You moved the page and make Hòa Thành the PTOPIC for no good reason. It's too obvious that Hòa Thành and Hoa Thanh are not the same thing. You are working with Vietnamese articles here, and in Vietnamese, a single diacritic changed will result in a completely different meaning. That DAB has clearly no PTOPIC, so can you explain what is from WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY which suggested that Hòa Thành is the PTOPIC ? ChanComThemPho (talk) 18:21, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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God of Blood

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. signed, Rosguill talk 23:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposing that this be turned into a disambiguation page. Very strange that this currently targets Dwarf Fortress, which is only barely related to the subject. TheAwesomeHwyh 16:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that Blood god redirects to Human sacrifice. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Hugbunter

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. signed, Rosguill talk 23:59, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The user who created this article also created HugBunter which also redirects to the same article. 209.237.105.108 (talk) 15:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Edit: I changed this from HugBunter to Hugbunter because HugBunter is the actual username. 209.237.105.108 (talk) 16:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If HugBunter is kept, then Hugbunter should be kept as it helps capitalization AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Magazine cover

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Cover. signed, Rosguill talk 00:05, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It can mean either article (publishing) or a front cover of a magazine. It should be redirected to cover dabpage (or another target), converted to separate dabpage, or maybe remain as-is. However, the cover story dabpage also contains an entry that neither refers to nor implies a magazine itself, so the former two options would be more suitable for me. George Ho (talk) 15:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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赤毛のアン

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The result of the discussion was keep. signed, Rosguill talk 00:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RFOREIGN Cabayi (talk) 19:00, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:User GoogleChrome2

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Template:Cablegate

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The result of the discussion was keep. signed, Rosguill talk 00:03, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cablegate is a problematic pseudonym for the US diplomatic cables leak. This template was used in a handful of articles as a synonym for ((WikiLeaks cable)). I have replaced these redirects, so this is now used only in archived discussions. Guy (help!) 18:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, these unused template-space redirects: Template:Wikileaks cable

Most of these were never used, one was used three times and I retargeted. There's little or not active use of the target template (the events are int he past now), so these seem to be unnecessary Guy (help!) 19:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Egiptus

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The name for Egypt in...Estonian? Delete per WP:RLOTE. signed, Rosguill talk 18:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Look at my comment before saying this. --Soumyabrata (talk • subpages) 05:43, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Growing a Greener World

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The target article contains no information about the TV series Growing a Greener World. Suggest deleting redirect so that a separate article about the TV series can be requested for creation. 16:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aprentice525 (talkcontribs)

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Catstodian

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:53, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Catstodian is not even a real word. 209.237.105.108 (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another option if mentioned could be Retarget to Cat lover culture which talks about cat puns such as purr-fect. https://parade.com/969366/parade/cat-puns/ AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:24, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If this will be retargeted to Cat lover culture, then that article should mention the word catstodian first. OcelotCreeper (talk) 15:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Floof

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are a decent number of pageviews per day [[2]]. However, floof is not a real word (edit: argument I forgot to add listed below). 209.237.105.108 (talk) 15:37, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that people so far are saying keep because of the number of pageviews. I do agree that the pageviews are good, but you should not just say the pageviews are good, therefore we should keep this (If this is always true, I could for example, make a new page called Black Poonther that redirects to Black Panther and then click on the redirect 2-5 times a day so that it seems like people are using it (If you can track the number of times a user goes onto a page they created please let me know on my talk page)). Since I made an additional argument, I would like for people to prove that they read that one as well when they say keep. 209.237.105.108 (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Tan Huat

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Byzatine empire

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. A slight majority is in favor of keeping, with the rest voting for deletion. signed, Rosguill talk 00:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated because of this redirect is a typo, but also because the editor who created it immediately recognized the error and blanked the page. Other editors reinstated it, whereas they should have deleted it as intended. Senator2029 “Talk” 08:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sher-e-Ban National Cricket Stadium

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 15:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No reason to keep a wrongly spelled redirects. There is another redirect Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium which is often used. But this redirect is very unusual with a wrong spelling. So, requesting to deleted it. Sony R (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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European Imperialism

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Imperialism. I find the reference to similar redirects and the note that imperialism and colonialism are not synonymous (albeit related) to be the stronger arguments. --BDD (talk) 15:38, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above two have different lettering cases but also different targets, which would befuddle readers. Regardless of different capitalization, the two should redirect to the same target. Either "list of former European colonies", "Colonial empire", or somewhere if possible. George Ho (talk) 08:55, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Algorithmic design

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The result of the discussion was keep. I'll add a hatnote that may help. --BDD (talk) 15:30, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should this redirect target Algorithm#Design, where the topic exists as a subsection; Generative design, which is a similar topic; or should the redirect be formed into an article? I should mention that Algorithm design is already a redirect and is tagged with "R from merge", from which the content at "Algorithm#Design" is derived from. [4] Utopes (talk / cont) 00:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Opinion polling for the next Irish general election

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Next Irish general election#Opinion polls. --BDD (talk) 15:27, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No longer the next election, confusing buidhe 18:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Irma Gonzalez

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The result of the discussion was convert Irma Gonzalez to dab and redirect the others there. signed, Rosguill talk 18:47, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot discern a primary topic from the either the wrestler or the judge. They both get similar pageviews, but the page with less views is a GAN. Disambiguation could is possible, but there are still only two entries, so it will have to be clear that there is no primary topic. I don't intend for there to be a large discussion here, as long as there is consensus on where these redirects should target. However, there is no reason for some of these to target one article while the others target another. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:11, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The wrestler is Méxican. In Spanish, it's written González. However, the judge is from United States, in English, people don't use accents like in Spanish, even if it's a Spanish last name, Like Colby Lopez or Pamela Martinez. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:19, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's the job of the editor to check links per WP:TESTLINK. I've already checked the links and none goes to the wrong article.
Irma González is not ambiguous. The judge is never referred to that way. We use this approach all the time, e.g. Gúa vs Gua vs Guà; canape vs. canapé; borek vs börek. There's no reason to redirect that to a DAB page.
SMALLDETAILS actually says " The general approach is that whatever readers might type in the search box, they are guided as swiftly as possible to the topic they might reasonably be expected to be looking for, by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages..." (my emphasis). There aren't currently hatnotes because there's no ambiguity in the article titles, only the redirect "Irma Gonzalez". 85.238.91.68 (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"It's the job of the editor to check links per WP:TESTLINK." A counsel of perfection; but, many editors simply do not do so. That's why there's currently a backlog of 10,611 known bad links in WP:TDD (in June 2010, there were 961,936 [sic]). That's why I and other editors have to my knowledge fixed 100+ bad incoming links to each of multiple WP:PTOPICs. That's why another editor and I about a year ago ran a project to fix a subset of bad links to surname pages: we found and fixed about 1,500; it took us a fortnight. Narky Blert (talk) 01:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate that, but there's all kinds of ways editors can make bad links and surprises. We're still expected to follow policy and guidelines that have consensus.
When it comes to titles that vary only by diacritical marks, the consensus seems to be that those marks are enough to disambiguate. So, while it may be the case that "Irma Gonzalez" is ambiguous, it is not the case that "Irma González" is ambiguous. Were it so, then Gúa and Guà (to repeat the example I gave earlier) would be ambiguous and should target the disambiguation page at Gua.
Now, if we hatnote, some readers get the right article first time and the others are one click away. If we disambiguate and redirect both Gonzalez and González there, no readers get any article the first time and all readers are one click away. We've made the reader experience worse for all readers, and better for none. These are not big articles, so bandwidth is not an issue. It's just a better reader experience to hatnote them rather than disambiguate. We shouldn't visit editors' past sins onto readers. We've also potentially broken external links. Simply reversing the redirects and hatnoting avoids all of that.
The basic question is: does the misspelling of "Irma González" (without the diacritical mark) count towards WP:NOPRIMARY? 85.238.91.68 (talk) 04:57, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Named route

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned in the target, I don't think that these terms are synonymous. Off the top of my head, I could name a handful of non-special routes in the US that have non-numbered names. Delete unless a justification can be provided. signed, Rosguill talk 17:30, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Beisebol

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Haligonian

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate using the excellent draft produced by Shhhnotsoloud, which seems to have gained a consensus. The plural will be retargeted to point to the disambiguation page. ~ mazca talk 16:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where these should point to, but they should share the same target. feminist (talk) 12:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Joshua Singh

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Epidemiology of COVID-19

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The result of the discussion was procedural close. As the nomination states, this redirect's title is currently the proposed move location listed at Talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory#Requested move 17 March 2020. For one, tagging this redirect with the ((Rfd)) tag caused the aforementioned move request to appear at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Possibly incomplete requests as an error. For two, having this discussion open while the aforementioned move discussion is also open splits and fragments the discussion pertaining to this title, which in effect confounds and creates issues with consensus building and assessing. (For these reasons, there should only be one XFD or move discussion open at a time per title to prevent such issues.) After the move request closes, if there are still concerns with this redirect (if it is still a redirect after the move request closes), this redirect can be renominated since at that time, an RfD for this title will/should be the only open discussion for this title. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 19:09, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2#Epidemiology. Epidemology has its own section on the page about the virus, so why is the redirect going to country/territory instead? Although this could easily be retargeted, I am listing it here because of a move discussion that involves this page (See Talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory#Requested move 17 March 2020). Username6892 18:00, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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