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The result of the discussion was retarget to Potassium nitrate. ✗plicit 23:49, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Saltpeter → Potassium nitrate  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Saltpetre → Niter  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Both these redirects should point to the same target. "Niter" was the target for both for several years, but "Saltpeter" was changed to point to "Potassium nitrate" on 10 March 2022. "Potassium nitrate" is probably the better target, but I think the issue should be discussed first. Tevildo (talk) 23:14, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support changing the Saltpetre redirect to point to Potassium nitrate. Niter refers specifically to the naturally-occurring mineral species, while Saltpetre includes manufactured potassium nitrate. Kent G. Budge (talk) 23:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support retarget to potassium nitrate per Kent G. Budge. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Potassium nitrate: Per above it is the most appropriate target. As well, either Saltpeter or Saltpetre should be tagged as an ((R avoided double redirect)) to keep the two in sync. I don't care which is considered to be the primary spelling, but per pageviews it sees Saltpeter is more used. TartarTorte 13:49, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  On the spelling, it's just a WP:ENGVAR issue - the "re" is more common in the UK, the "er" is universal in America. The "re" is the older spelling, but I'm not sure if that makes it primary. Tevildo (talk) 16:21, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Mock Orange (mulberry) → Maclura pomifera  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Neelix creation. Maclura pomifera is in the mulberry family, but it's never referred to as a mulberry. Plantdrew (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Dolphin OS → GameCube  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The GameCube doesn’t seem to be an operating system and this doesn’t seem to be a plausible name. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 13:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak retarget to Dolphin (emulator). I could see this being a plausible search term for the emulator. However the emulator isn't really an OS (I mean, technically it's running the Wii and Gamecube's OS, hence why it's an emulator) in itself, hence why it's a weak retarget. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The OS that runs on the GameCube is, as far as I know and a quick-ish google search confirms, generally called Dolphin OS. The word "Dolphin" is said multiple times at the target and it seems likely that both a mention of the OS could be added and there's no way we'd want a standalone article for it. Skynxnex (talk) 20:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Notified of the RfD at the talk of Dolphin (emulator) as well.
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• Keep per Skynxnex. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:38, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Agree with BlazeWolf. In fact, refine to Dolphin (emulator)#DolphiniOS and tag as ((R from misspelling)). The OS part comes from iOS. It is used for GameCube though. Jay 💬 19:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I like that idea. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 00:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Dolphin OS and DolphiniOS are entirely separate entities, both of which are reasonable search terms. Dolphin OS is not a misspelling and that target would not be appropriate. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:32, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Wpscatter: What is Dolphin OS and do we have a mention at enwiki? @Skynxnex: What is the Google search term you used? Jay 💬 16:26, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Jay I cannot recall what I used before, but "dolphin os" gamecube -dolphinios finds useful results such as:

  • GameCube Architecture: A practical analysis by Rodrigo Copetti: Upon turning on the console, the CPU will start loading an operating system called Dolphin OS found on the BIOS/IPL chip
  • hardware reference
  • Gamestop Restocks Refurbished Nintendo GameCube Consoles: The GameCube, ranked 16th in our list of best gaming consoles of all time, ran on the Dolphin OS
  • log output from a gamecube emulator.

  it feels like if you have a few of those you could easily mention DolphinOS in the GameCube article along with its code name in a way that would meet WP:V, which is why I think this redirect is a keep since the article mentions the codename of Dolphin is Dolphin OS to Dolphin is, to me, not really a reach. Skynxnex (talk) 16:47, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I have struck off the earlier. Keep, at least one of the sources is good for a mention to be added to current target. Jay 💬 19:07, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Skynxnex. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:33, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Spectrum quality management → SQM  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Not mentioned at the target or anywhere else. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Original Promise Due Date Performance → OPD  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Operationalised Psychodynamic Diagnostics → OPD  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Operational Preparation Directorate → OPD  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These 3 expressions are not mentioned at the target or anywhere else: delete. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was moot. Redirect creator changed the target before any actual discussion took place. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:49, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Lheureux → Moon landing conspiracy theories  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm aware that Philip/Phillipe/Philippe Lheureux wrote Moon Landings: Did NASA Lie? but it's no longer referred to at Moon landing conspiracy theories, or anywhere else in Enwiki I can see. A better target would be the surname SIA L'Heureux. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:19, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done redirect changed. Apokrif (talk) 22:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:58, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Who is a Hindu: Hindu revivalist views of Animism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and other offshoots of Hinduism → Koenraad Elst  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This seems like a particularly implausible redirect - the violation of conciseness is off the charts and there is no clear presence of the subject specified in the redirect page title on redirect target page. Altogether, seems of little use. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:22, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Way, WAY too long for a redirect. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 17:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The length of a redirect doesn't matter if it is mentioned in the target article and properly identified as an alternative title or a subtopic of the target article's subject. But therein lies the issue with this redirect: The redirect is not mentioned in the target article anywhere. Steel1943 (talk) 17:31, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  To expand on my delete comment: If the redirect is not a synonym or a spelling variation of the target article's subject, it can be considered misleading since the subject of the redirect is not technically present in the target article. In this case, the redirect is a subtopic of the target article's subject with the redirect currently not being mentioned in the target article. Without mention, readers may have no idea why this redirect led them to the target article, causing confusion. Steel1943 (talk) 09:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I completely agree. I am for deletion unless a bibliography of his is added to the article, in which case I would keep. So given the current state, delete. TartarTorte 15:32, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: It appears to be the full title of a book of his. If a bibliography were to be added it should be kept. TartarTorte 17:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as ((R from book)). This is a real book, so keep it (on Internet Archive, on Google Books). —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 08:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per CX Zoom, with recommendation to add a bibliography to the article. BlackholeWA (talk) 15:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - The length of this isn't really relevant. As the title of a book, I think the book should be mentioned at the target if this is to be kept. A7V2 (talk) 02:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment I found a bibliography here but I'm not sure if it is complete enough to not violate WP:CLIST. --Lenticel ^(talk) 07:20, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. The article used to have a list of works, but that got removed in 2017 [1]. With or without that, this redirect should go: a mere mention in the middle of a list without any additional content, is not the sort of thing that we should have redirects for. – Uanfala (talk) 22:34, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom et al. Since the list of works was removed, then this redirect should also be removed. No need for keeping if there isn't any additional content on the subject. CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:50, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:42, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The million dollar shot → The Million Dollar Shot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

DELETE. This is one of a series of 5 books. None of the others have an other capitalisation link. Also, no other pages link to this redirect page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Big Blue Cray(fish) Twins (talk • contribs) 09:33, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:CHEAP. Though none of the other books have such redirects, I'm not sure the lowercase counterpart is that implausible. I can see people forgetting to capitalize the other words in their searches, and it'll still get them to their destinations. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 18:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, unambiguous. Jay 💬 16:17, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Greeting#Kisses. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:31, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Kiss hello → Cheek kissing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Such a concept is not particularly exclusive to the cheek, and redirecting to Kiss or Hello may be WP:XY. Steel1943 (talk) 17:03, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Per WP:XY. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 17:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 06:49, 28 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Greeting#Kisses which discusses everything this could refer to I think. A7V2 (talk) 02:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per A7V2. Elegant solution. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 15:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget per A7V2. The section on the article on greetings that involves kissing seems to adequately describe this concept, which itself is a reasonable search term. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:35, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I thought there was something related to this redirect on Wikipedia. Now I change my vote to Retarget as it is mentioned there. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 00:25, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Jay 💬 16:18, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• ; (Semicolon) → Semicolon (EP)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not sure if this is a good redirect rather than to Semicolon. « Ryūkotsusei » 16:18, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Semicolon Search behaves weirdly and while ; retargets to Semicolon, it is hard to use from search, so this is a bit more helpful. TartarTorte 17:49, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. The EP "Semicolon" by Seventeen is literally stylized as "; [Semicolon]", and "(" and ")" were used instead of "[" and "]" due to technical restrictions. Seventyfiveyears (talk) 18:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Seventyfiveyears. I did not realize that [ ] were not allowed due to technical restrictions. TartarTorte 19:24, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Seventyfiveyears. It's close to how the album is stylized for technical reasons, so it's a pretty plausible search term. Seed of コスモ (alternative account of Sonic678) 20:24, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Seventyfiveyears. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Seventyfiveyears. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:29, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weird I have to type out the search term semicolon just to go to semicolon, ";" takes me nowhere, and ; [Semicolon] already goes to band article. I've added a hatnote to the band article. « Ryūkotsusei » 14:41, 5 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6 and WP:CSD#G7. Thryduulf (talk) 12:55, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Creating Giovanni Battista Costa (painter, fl. c. 1670) → Giovanni Battista Costa (painter, fl. c. 1670)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely search term. Appears to have been a mistaken title when originally created, hence the "Creating" in title. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:20, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it was my mistake. This should be deleted. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 23:22, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikimedia movement. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:36, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia movement → Wikipedia community  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Is a better title for this perhaps Wikimedia movement? I'm not familiar with people using the phrase "Wikipedia movement" to describe the Wikipedia community, but I have seen stuff erroneously referring to the greater movement as the "Wikipedia movement". — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Wikimedia movement. People often confuse Wikipedia with Wikimedia.

Roostery123 (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:27, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Fastest thing alive → Sonic the Hedgehog (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Could also refer to The Flash. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 16:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This was the target's opening credits/theme song's name. (Or at least a prominent phrase from the lyrics of the chorus.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as there's a cited mention in the article. Also Flash is "The Fastest Man Alive" not Thing. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambig it's a plausible search term for the current target, The Flash and Fastest animals. A see also to List of vehicle speed records and any similar list for people (I've not immediately found one) would be appropriate too. Thryduulf (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate (drafted below the redirect). Completely reasonable that users would be searching for the fastest animal in particular instead of the Sonic song, especially given that The Fastest Thing Alive (or its lowercase version) do not exist. I don't think we should include the vehicles page in the see also because vehicles are not alive, but I'm not strongly opposed to it. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  With the vehicles I was thinking of the drivers rather than the vehicles themselves, but I'm not strongly attached either way. The draft dab looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 13:48, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I had closed it as Disambiguate, but have reverted the close at the request of Tavix, who felt a relist was needed.
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• Suggestions on the dab draft: Flash can be removed from the drafted dab, and instead Fastest Man Alive added as a See also. External searches refer to Sonic as the Fastest Thing Alive, and they are not necessarily referring to the opening song. Jay 💬 14:05, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Strongly oppose disambiguation (or at least strong enough to ask for this to be relisted, thanks Jay!). This is a perfect example of something that is "theoretically ambiguous" but not actually ambiguous in practice. Does Pizzaplayer219 or anyone else have any evidence of The Flash being referred to as the "Fastest thing alive"? 'Man' and 'thing' are not synonymous. Same goes for animals; it is not plausible for someone to search 'thing' looking for 'animal'. It may be plausible for someone to search Fastest animal alive (curious that it's red, it looks like no one has found the phrase useful enough to create a redirect yet!), but even then it's a bit redundant to include "alive" because I doubt they're specifically wanting to exclude dinosaurs or something of the like. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken regarding The Flash, but I still believe disambiguation is appropriate, as it is completely plausible with this capitalization for a user to be seeking content regarding the fastest animals (=alive things that move) rather than Sonic or the theme song (which it appears is not officially titled "(The) Fastest Thing Alive" but is referred to as such given the lyrics). After all, Sonic is a fictional animal. Regarding Jay's point as it being a nickname for Sonic and not necessarily a reference to the song, Sonic the Hedgehog (character) currently does not mention it, so for now it's best to just link to the TV series. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like it is plausible for someone to mistakenly look up the “Fastest Thing Alive” instead of the “Fastest Man Alive” when thinking about the flash. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 20:18, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Plus this RFD was closed as keep despite the word organism not being synonymous to animals. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 20:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Even if that is a plausible mistake, disambiguation pages don't have entries for misnomers, that would at best be a "see also". I also don't think the Fastest organisms RfD is comparable. "Fastest organisms" is a plausible search term for someone looking for animals, and you will find the fastest organism there because the fastest organism is an animal. "Thing" is a much broader set; adding "alive" does narrow it, but also makes it implausible for someone looking for real animals. In my opinion, "thing" in this context evokes a fictional character. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:15, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I like Mdewman6's analogy of animals = alive things that move. Unless someone can show that "thing alive" may only refer to fictional characters, I think it is plausible to include animals. Jay 💬 12:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak disambiguate, delete, or redirect to Fastest animal alive, which seems a more plausible intended result for a non-caps version of this phrase. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:23, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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• Dabify. There doesn't seem to be a WP:PTOPIC for this phrase, so a dab page makes sense. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:40, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate seems fine. BD2412 T 05:46, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget KLRA-CD to Univision#Stations and KTVV-LD to TheGrio#Affiliates. Consensus without objection developed to retarget to the pages. (non-admin closure) TartarTorte 20:11, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• KLRA-CD → KMYA-DT  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• KTVV-LD → KMYA-DT  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The FCC data for KLRA-CD, KTVV-LD and KMYA-DT shows that KLRA-CD and KTVV-LD have a different owner, and in KLRA-CD's case, different network affiliation, than KMYA-DT. RAN1 (talk) 04:06, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your support,every time I tried to update the info I was accused of edit war Othelum (talk) 23:24, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• @RAN1: What do you propose for these redirects? Jay 💬 15:57, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Jay: at first I thought they should be deleted, but now I think they can be retargeted to affiliates we have articles for: KLRA-CD to Univision#Stations, and KTVV-LD to TheGrio#Affiliates. RAN1 (talk) 17:28, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Support KTVV-LD to TheGrio#Affiliates. Support KLRA-CD to Univision#Stations, as both hatnotes there point to articles that have mention. Jay 💬 19:18, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Legoktm (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Grid Cache File → Steam (service)#Software delivery and maintenance  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• .gcf → Steam (service)#Software delivery and maintenance  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in article, no reliable sources mention it as far as I know. Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 14:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Grid Cache File was a redirect from a merge to Steam (service), and it did have a ((R from merge)) tag which got lost in subsequent edits. Also, GCF is mentioned at List of file formats where it is unsourced and only mentioned that Steam uses it, and there is no mention of it at Steam (service) per nom. Probably the entry from List of file formats can be removed. Jay 💬 15:37, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:00, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete both per nom, and remove the entry from the list mentioned above as it is unsourced. CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:53, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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