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This entire description is as if it were uncontroversial that Ballard is who and what he says he is.

From numerous sources,^[1] we know that Ballard is a QAnon activist and purports to witness, for example, child traffickers killing children for their adrenaline-laced blood ("adrenochrome"). Caveziel, similarly, adheres to this QAnon conspiracy theory. These caveats are nowhere evidenced in the current entry. Ballard claims many rescue operations that are not his own and/or are not rescue operations at all. His "4000" figure is completely of his own making. This film is basically a propaganda film for QAnon adherents who have mobilized general public disgust for anti-child trafficking for their own political purposes: claiming that their political opposition support child trafficking/exploitation. --Petzl (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Petzl: the article appears to have been written from a pro-Ballard bias, and many important details are omitted. I will try to find time to edit the article, but in the meantime it should be noted that the article as it currently stands does not appear to be completely factual and objective, and other editors are encouraged to correct it as well. Chillowack (talk) 10:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. Unfortunately Wikipedia is now extremely biased and far from neutral. This mindset regarding bias is not applied to many contentious Wikipedia sections which lean significantly far left to the point of clear influence and political motivation. Certain users almost gang up on any conservative view points and I have seen people get banned for doing nothing more than disagreeing respectfully. Trying to associate Ballard with QAnon using questionable and dubious politically motivated statements or sources is disagreeable and apalling to the spirit of what Wikipedia was supposed to be. Raj208 (talk) 22:19, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is strange to me that there are people out there trying to spread there own unfounded ideas and negative baseless assertions against a film that is obviously working to help spread awareness to the scourge that is child trafficking. Why, instead of trying to push you own propaganda against something that would most likely be a net positive, would you not a least stay quiet? so strange. 68.207.91.112 (talk) 04:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

it will be used for political campaigns and the disturbing nature of the topic can make one blind for facts in rl. it is far from "can´t hurt" to lie about something like this and will change the minds of some voters.

votes are not unimportant. facts are not unimportant. i think it is strange that this is not taken way more seriously. 2A02:8070:6188:76A0:0:0:0:CE8F (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please, I've read enough of these talk pages to see what goes on here. The association to Q Anon is far from clear, “Health and Freedom Conference” was not a QAnon event and tying two random QAnon people who happened to be at that event to this film is for what purpose exactly? The only connection you have is Jim mentioning "adrenochroming" without context, in what tone was it spoken? Was it said in jest?

There is no need for the whole QAnon segment to be there, in fact it appears to be there purely to poison the well and serves no actual informative purpose. If, for instance, you happened to believe in socialist policies do you endorse some elements of Nazism? 2404:4404:2A08:1D00:B0D6:D34C:8202:1320 (talk) 07:30, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When that section was first added (I didn't write it) I had a similar reaction (although certainly not as POV as yours); I wondered if there was a connection. I read the sources; multiple articles make the connection between this film, the film's subject matter, and the QAnon conference. I'm not sure your statement that "it appears to be there purely to poison the well and serves no actual informative purpose" is supported by facts. Seems like it's relevant and it's certainly informative. I would be in favor of leaving it in place. Fred Zepelin (talk) 19:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is an article about a film. The entire section added to this article amounts to WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Instaurare (talk) 08:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That section has references, and virtually all of the sources discuss the film. Its wholesale removal (by you) was entirely unwarranted. Fred Zepelin (talk) 21:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The section violates WP:SYNTH. Per WP:BRD you must achieve consensus. Instead you are engaged in edit warring. Instaurare (talk) 07:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It would certainly help my (or any other's) evaluation of a consensus if links to essays weren't thrown around like links to policies or guidelines. A relevant policy is WP:BLPRESTORE, which (contrary to the BRD essay) does require finding a consensus for restoring (at least some of) the material. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see the debate has strayed slightly off course, so let me reiterate the earlier poster's point: this is an article about a film. Political gossip that has nothing to do with the film itself is not encyclopedic and does not belong here. You could certainly include it on the relevant individuals' pages, however. 2601:249:9301:FF80:B9A2:E8EC:B2A0:9851 (talk) 00:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot of proof of use of Adrenochrome. It is a real drug taken from human adrenal glands. Children have so much it makes them a target. You are running cover for an evil operation by saying it’s imaginary. 147.160.220.232 (talk) 14:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you have proof that "Adrenochroming" is real, please share it: but make sure it meets Wikipedia's standards (i.e. no B.S. websites, blogs, etc.) Chillowack (talk) 20:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could we at least edit every Tom Cruz movie Wikipedia article to add a small section about how Scientologists believe in a crazy Xenu conspiracy theory involving the spirits of extraterrestrial people from 75 million years ago?

I mean really, how is this "Qanon" smear not an obvious WP:NPOV issue? 174.192.200.161 (talk) 23:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC) minor edits: 174.192.200.161 (talk) 23:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Tom Cruise was using Scientologist rhetoric to promote his movies it would be relevant to the movie pages. In this case, Caviezel literally uses Qanon conspiracy-theorist rants to promote the movie. https://www.tmz.com/2021/04/17/passion-of-the-christ-jim-caviezel-adrenochrome-conspiracy-tim-ballard/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.206.167.225 (talk) 17:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TMZ isn't considered a reliable Wikipedia source. You argument also puts you in a perilous position where we only need one source that claims Tom Cruise talked about a movie project and Scientology in the same interview to debunk it. And let's be honest, how unlikely is that?

Can you honestly say you're striving for a NPOV here, or are you merely hatin' on that movie about child trafficking that Disney tried to shelf? 174.216.156.175 (talk) 21:04, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Read the talk page below. Source after source covers Caviezel's repeated use of Qanon conspiracy theories to promote the movie, and the astroturfing movement similarly promoting it in far-right fringe circles. And try not to fall too hard into the conspiracy theorist rabbit hole with "insinuations about who doesn’t want this story to be told and what real-world traffickers are really up to." https://slate.com/culture/2023/07/sound-of-freedom-movie-jim-caviezel-trafficking-qanon.html 73.206.167.225 (talk) 21:25, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following sentence appears in the article: "Caviezel suggested he had seen evidence of children being subjected to the practice [of Adrenochroming]." The citation points to a cluster of four articles, which I read, but I could not find in any of them an indication from Cavaziel that he had actually seen evidence. On the contrary: Caviezel states that he "never, ever, ever saw it" being done. Did I miss something? Can someone point to the passage where Cavaziel suggests he saw evidence of Adrenochroming? Thanks. Chillowack (talk) 20:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If no one can answer my question above, I propose this claim should be deleted from the article, because as I said, the statement does not appear to be supported by the cited sources. Chillowack (talk) 23:13, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is it just me or is this article heavy on content regarding the personal and political beliefs of the film's lead actor and has too much content questioning the film's accuracy? A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 02:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's one two-paragraph section about the film's accuracy -- you consider that "too much content"? Chillowack (talk) 02:47, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Too much content toward the negative, yes. It's unbalanced in my opinion. A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 14:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree. Do we have a precedent in place for adding sections to describe the politics of actors involved in a movie? I didn't realize that was common practice. 162.222.63.62 (talk) 16:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, consensus is to have it removed Breakpoint25 (talk) 20:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've been coming back and screen capturing each change so that I can show people the evolution of a "take down" Haha. It's hilarious to watch it devolve into pure absurdity. 2603:8080:7200:A0FA:E98B:8CEF:C7B7:CC6A (talk) 04:57, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to Wikipedia, From 2009 to 2012 Mira Sorvino was a United Nations Goodwill ambassador for combatting human trafficking, and has lobbied Congress to abolish the practice in Darfur. I mean, since they're putting the Q Anon thing in there and loosely tying it to the film through the actors personal beliefs, then shouldn't Mira's support and role in this matter be highlighted, as well? Or, is it just negative stuff we're looking to highlight? 2603:8080:7200:A0FA:1567:9832:DABD:F5F2 (talk) 00:52, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t have an issue with the accuracy section per se. It’s sourced and on topic. I’m not sure what the commentary about QAnon has to do with the film itself. Yes it would be on topic for a bio of the individuals named but isn’t for the film. It would be like adding a section on Scientology to Top Gun II Lepew57 (talk) 01:21, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. Just a cursory read made me question why Wikipedia was attempting to discourage people from seeing this film- that's how unsubtle it is. Why even bring up QAnon? That is completely irrelevant to the film- except as a dog-whistle. It is not encyclopedic, it is trying to signal to audiences to boycott this. Those references, at least, should be eliminated.

If you are a legitimate Wikipedia editor, then you probably know that signing your posts is required. Why are you not doing it? Chillowack (talk) 06:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why so accusatory? He asked a pretty straightforward question and your response was "You're not a legitimate editor." Seems a bit gatekeepy and weird. 162.222.63.62 (talk) 16:31, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Almost every movie on wikipedia that is "based on a true story" has an accuracy section and this one should be no different. There are many articles that talk about how it's not very accurate and the people behind the movie make things up. 2603:6081:5C00:F109:A94D:D6F0:3579:4D06 (talk) 15:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Let's assume that, like me, you’re not a right-wing fundamentalist conspiracy theorist looking for a dark, faith-based suspense film"

What is the point of this sentence? What does this have to do with the review of the film ? This is unnecessary political bias and slander that is not informative or apropos. 67.80.251.0 (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's just the critic expressing their own personal views. Even if you disagree, that's not reason enough to remove their entire review from Wikipedia, which is only looking to gauge an accurate portrait of the film's critical reception. --Neateditor123 (talk) 17:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing "slanderous" about that sentence fragment. Chillowack (talk) 04:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How is that not slander? The critic is attacking his political enemies and labeling them as "fundamentalist conspiracy theorist[s]". It's completely uncalled for. 76.8.213.252 (talk) 05:55, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removing movie critic comments because they are "uncalled for" is not really what we do here on Wikipedia. Are you new here? I encourage you to familiarize yourself with the encyclopedia's policies and guidelines. Chillowack (talk) 06:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chillowack - surely you can think of better ways to engage than "Read the rules noob!" Is that all you ever contribute? 162.222.63.62 (talk) 16:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You can see exactly what I've contributed, in my 15 years on Wikipedia, by looking at my Contributions. You appear to have just created your account today? Or do you have another account? Are you posting from multiple IP addresses? Are you even a legitimate Wikipedia editor? You don't sound like you're coming from a place of good faith, nor do you sound like you are aware of how Wikipedia works, or its purpose. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Chillowack (talk) 22:38, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The "Accuracy" section of this article has been repeatedly deleted, reinstated, and deleted again, simply because a consensus on the Talk Page hasn't been decided on. A consensus should be reached one way or the other, because all this edit warring (mainly from users who don't hold accounts on Wikipedia, nor have done any editing outside of removing information in this article) is extremely unproductive. I'm in favor of leaving the section in. Neateditor123 (talk) 17:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, 100% leave it in. I'm one of the people in favor of leaving it in and I have now registered an account if that makes my vote count more. Feral Emerald (talk) 17:54, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good. I'm hoping this settles the dispute.--Neateditor123 (talk) 17:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems a formal, neutral RfC could be helpful. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I second this. As ToBeFree mentioned in this article's edit history, the WP:SYNTH concerns haven't been addressed yet, which needs to be done for a consensus to be reached. --Neateditor123 (talk) 18:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is the "SYNTH" issue? I have read that link. I don't see what part of the section fits that description. Feral Emerald (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You should ask Instaurare or ToBeFree, who raised the issue.--Neateditor123 (talk) 19:13, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How do I ask them specifically? Feral Emerald (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We both have been notified by Neateditor123's mention. The issue was raised in edit summaries and in the "certainly puts himself" section above. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All I see is statements saying "this violates SYNTH". I don't see any explanation of how any of it violates SYNTH. That web page says that SYNTH is people taking information from sources and drawing their own conclusions, and I don't see any example of that happening in the text that was deleted. Feral Emerald (talk) 20:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in favor of keeping it, it's relevant to the production of the film and is widely-discussed in media coverage. Leaving it out is ignoring an elephant in the room.65.50.221.18 (talk) 03:56, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in favor of keeping the Accuracy section in, and I also agree an RfC would be good. It seems to me that certain biased "editors" with QAnon-related beliefs have descended on this article and tried to manipulate it in ways that are not in the spirit of Wikipedia. Perhaps these people should be monitored. Some of them don't seem to care as much about Wikipedia as aggressively molding the article to match their own beliefs. Chillowack (talk) 08:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just a simple recent changes patroller breaking up the monotony of my job. I agree about RfC and whatever y'all decide is fine by me.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 14:19, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Skywatcher68, looking at Special:Diff/1163588209 and Special:Diff/1163586038, are you personally concerned that the material is (improper) synthesis of published material, and thus a form of original research? Did you attempt to verify the material and failed doing so using the provided sources? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:49, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ToBeFree, which part of this section are you objecting to on WP:BLPRESTORE and WP:SYNTH grounds? If it's about Caviezel's views, the citations in the text are pretty clear that our sources consider these facts relevant. See for example Vanity Fair – bradv 17:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

When a section dedicated to "[Living person]'s political views" is removed with good-faith objections by multiple editors, it may not be restored, at least not in unmodified form, without consensus. This had happened, though. When fully protecting a page, I have a duty to avoid protecting a version that contains policy-violating content, so I removed it for now. It seems, though, that at least one editor's removals weren't based on actual content-based concerns but rather the monotony of a job. I hope that impression can be corrected rather than confirmed... ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:21, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Instaurare made the initial claim; I assume (I know, I know) they attempted verification. At the time of my last edits to the article, there had been no progress made here on the Talk page so I reverted per their reasoning.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I hope for a really good explanation by Instaurare to follow, because else I'll probably just unprotect the page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:25, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Their initial revert said that none of the cited sources mention the film, which is clearly incorrect. If this is the source of the WP:SYNTH claim it is mistaken. – bradv 18:02, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, what a mess. Instaurare is topic-banned from post-1932 American politics, had been warned about this a week ago and continued editing the same material. I'll unprotect now. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:38, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow, sneaky stuff. Thanks for sorting that out. – bradv 18:48, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not in agreement with the controversies section a it is only regurgitated information about an organization and not relevant to the movie. I'd suggest linking the organization and allow people to view the controversies separately from the organization's wiki page. TruthBeToldByFacts (talk) 01:10, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree the controversies section is not relevant to the movie. And having a section titled controversies is inappropriate, as it implies something the sources clearly don't state in relation to this movie. And for this nonsense about the "accuracy" of the movie, of course it isn't accurate, Ballard states that himself. The movie is a fictionalized account of his life, this film is not a documentary. Isaidnoway (talk) 22:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: QAnon

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Should the article contain a (sub)section dedicated to connections to QAnon? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 10:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of whether you feel the QAnon subsection should be there, Blspur's removal of it was not in good-faith. Nobody here is "offended" by the film's anti-sex-trafficking message (as was said in the article's recent edit history), they just feel like Ballard's/Caviezel's QAnon connections are in a relevant-enough context, as that is directly related to how they promoted the film. I'm in favor of leaving it in. --Neateditor123 (talk) 12:32, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not in favor. With the attention to the subsection of the films "accuracy" should suffice which discredits the movie. TruthBeToldByFacts (talk) 13:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The "Accuracy" section is only providing relevant information about the organization the film is based on (O.U.R.), drawn from several reliable sources. I don't see why that should be removed. --Neateditor123 (talk) 13:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If only two "reliable" sources (ViceNews and Slate) were found credible than perhaps more sources are need to corroborate its "accuracy". For example, thread states "In a 2020 expose", where are the additional sources to corroborate this? Sourcing and journalism 101. In addition, this information is copy and pasted from the supplied link to O.U.R. organization. Its not relevant to the movie thus the belief this is not relevant information. TruthBeToldByFacts (talk) 14:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vice News and Slate are considered reliable sources by Wikipedia, so even if currently they're the only sources on this topic (which isn't even true, as the same section links to another article by American Crime Journal), that's not a valid reason to remove them altogether. How is this factual information "not relevant to the movie" when the movie itself is, as the article clearly states, "purportedly based on real events involving [Tim Ballard's organization, O.U.R.]"? --Neateditor123 (talk) 15:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neateditor123 and Hemiauchenia, where at WP:RSP is that? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Neateditor123Please provide reliable sources/perennial sources stating that Wikipedia has accepted Vice News and Slate to be exclusive. With its alleged connection to the QAnon movement (which is a characterization of the individuals and not the movie) I believe it is not appropriate material to be added to this thread. TruthBeToldByFacts (talk) 17:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Wikipedia doesn't consider publications like Vice News and Slate to always be reliable or exclusive, I was not aware of that. Perhaps I simply could've phrased myself differently when saying "[they're] considered reliable sources by Wikipedia", as after looking into WP:RSP myself (which I appreciate being linked to), it's clear that wasn't the consensus there. My bad, but I don't necessarily see any reason for those specific articles to be removed altogether. --Neateditor123 (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The easiest more correct different phrasing would have been "by me" instead of "by Wikipedia", I guess. And that's perfectly fine, but I saw the claim twice on this page and found that strange enough to ask. Thanks for the clarification. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, per the Guardian and others, the connection is clearly relevant to this article. – bradv 14:48, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article is a commentary and critical response to the movie and not source material to validate alleged QAnon connections. TruthBeToldByFacts (talk) 17:22, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't being used as a source in the deleted subsection, but it is evidence that reliable sources consider it relevant. – bradv 17:29, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• No — to a sub-section about Qanon crap, and that whole controversy section needs to be deleted, or severely pruned and placed at the bottom. See MOS:FILM for the order of sections. Neither Vice source in that section mentions any specific controversies about this movie. Likewise, the Slate source in that section does not mention any specific controversies about this movie. So why is there a section in this article implying there is controversies about this movie. That amount of content is totally WP:UNDUE, especially in light of the fact that none of the sources mention any controversies about this movie. If there is controversy surrounding Ballard and O.U.R., then that content should be in the appropriate articles, not in this article about — a "2023 American action film", inspired by the work of Tim Ballard, in other words, it is a fictionalized account of his work. Isaidnoway (talk) 18:21, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes. As it's written, the section feels somewhat WP:COAT or WP:SYNTH, but Bradv's source shows that it has potential. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:57, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. In the most basic sense, the sources 'The Guardian', 'Rolling Stones', 'Wall Street Journal' all fail to specifically state the connections they feel make it related to Q-Anon beyond the concept of child trafficking concerns. There's fundamentally not enough to connect this film with Q-Anon.

Due to the political lean of the sites making this connection along with their lack of defining a legitimate critique, it's clear the criticism comes from a place of desiring hate clicks. It as such has no value being linked to the film. 2A00:23C7:802:DF01:B1E2:7FE9:8B87:23BF (talk) 20:15, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it needs to be remove, it is irrelevant Breakpoint25 (talk) 20:30, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, because the Guardian, WaPo, and Rolling Stone all discuss Caviezel's Qanon beliefs prominently. Wuffuwwuf (talk) 01:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes, agreed. Support inclusion. There are high-quality reliable sources that discuss the QAnon connection, and it should certainly be included and expanded upon. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 02:51, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. Not relevant to the film itself Snotbottom (talk) 06:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes. Support inclusion. I would also say that Sound of Freedom belongs mentioned on the Q-Anon page as well. Enough evidence that the two are linked, and it is a criticism of the film. Why would the Director of the film have their lead roll filled by someone who engages in conspiracies on a topic of said film? It is a legit criticism of the film.Unbiased6969 (talk) 06:38, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• No, against inclusion. I do not see how an actor's beliefs have anything to do with a film where a topic is not explicitly addressed. This would be similar to if Harvey Weinstein controversies were all of his movies that he was connected to. Obviously, those are not included in those articles because they have no bearing on the films themselves. It seems like quite a far stretch. Grahaml35 (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I randomly went to the Shakespeare in Love article to see if your statement is true. It is not. The article explicitly discusses the Weinstein sexual abuse cases. So does Wind River. So does Amityville: The Awakening. So does The Current War. So does The Guardian Brothers. So, your argument is basically rendered invalid. Fred Zepelin (talk) 22:06, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes. Support inclusion. This is not a random link. There are multiple sources that discuss the links between Caviezel, the film, and Qanon, including an article on Fox News that explicitly complains about the various sources that talk about the links. I can't see how we can ignore it. Fred Zepelin (talk) 21:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes. Multiple sources cited in the article make an explicit link between the film and QAnon. Arbitrarily leaving it out is censorship. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.97.170.32 (talk) 09:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Yes. Multiple sources make the link, this is Wikipedia, we base these articles on sources, we can't just leave out parts of stories just because some people may not like it.--YannickFran (talk) 14:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Needs to be included. The connections to Qanon are in a large number of mainstream outlets. And it's ridiculous that someone deleted the section out of hand already. https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-reviews/sound-of-freedom-jim-caviezel-child-trafficking-qanon-movie-1234783837/ Especially when Caviezel outright used QAnon conspiracy theories to hawk the movie. https://www.thedailybeast.com/passion-of-the-christ-star-jim-caviezel-hawks-qanon-adrenochrome-conspiracy-theory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.206.167.225 (talk) 15:29, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even covered on CNN. The removal of the section against consensus shown here was highly inappropriate and someone needs to fix it. https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/04/19/jim-caviezel-theory-donie-osullivan-qanon-pkg-newday-vpx.cnn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.206.167.225 (talk) 17:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes, of course. Not including a section on the accuracy (or lack thereof) in the article about this film would break long-established precedent for articles on films that claim to be based on a true story. Also, the well-documented connections to QAnon and related conspiracy theories is important for inclusion as well. Wikepedia's readership needs to be given full coverage of this film, not just the marketing materials put out by Ballard, Caviezel, and Angel Studios. Kevin ^{AKA Hallward's Ghost} 18:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requesting a minor change in the "Critical reception" section. The sentence "On review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an approval rating of 85% based on 13 reviews, with an average rating of 7/10." should be updated to "On review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes, the film holds an approval rating of 87% based on 15 reviews, with an average rating of 7.1/10." This is clearly visible on the film's Rotten Tomatoes page (at least, as of the time of writing), so the article should reflect this. --Neateditor123 (talk) 19:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC) Neateditor123 (talk) 19:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done (but we don't need to update this whenever it changes) ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Slate and Vice News are not legitimate sources and have a well-documented history of politicizing movies and TV. 2601:98A:B7F:A9D0:9037:4B8D:1D1A:AAA1 (talk) 22:48, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Stealthmouse (talk) 23:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Although technically, I'm more concerned with the comments above that seem to be writing an editorial and trying to create editorial commentary rather than simply editing a Wiki page. It is not the job of an editor to determine the veracity of a person nor whether typically used sources are accurate or properly "toned." That is a task for readers. Wiki should be an information source, not a propaganda source. Sadly, it has nosedived heavily toward the latter in recent years. Stealthmouse (talk) 23:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Both Slate and Vice News are generally reliable and useable sources. That said, It's debatable how much this article should go into the various controversies surrounding O.U.R., as that isn't the topic of the article. Hemiauchenia (talk) 03:32, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They're both reliable sources. Also, the film itself is political. They are not the ones politicising it. 46.97.170.32 (talk) 09:45, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"A 2021 article in Slate criticized a 2014 raid conducted by O.U.R. in the Dominican Republic, saying that it was likely to have traumatized the trafficked children"

Does it sound logical or credible that kidnapped children held by criminals would have been tramitized by being rescued too harshly. Reads like a feeble attempt to smear the rescuers. Please edit it. 47.205.62.21 (talk) 04:15, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is perfectly logical to anyone who understands that the world is not as simple as mindless feel-good action flicks like to portray it. Especially ones made by right-wing populists. 46.97.170.154 (talk) 10:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"right wing populism" is when you rescue children from sex trafficking.

Lefties don't defend grooming challenge: Impossible 46.7.28.113 (talk) 22:08, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attacks have no place on a talk page. 46.97.170.32 (talk) 09:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It actually sounds quite plausible to me that a self-appointed vigilante with no formal training in child psychology, who has admitted he is trying to land a reality show, might not have taken the time to understand the nuances of something as complex as extracting children from sex traffickers, and that he would have failed to give sufficient thought to the welfare of the children during and after the operation. There are valid questions about this man's methods and the veracity of his claims. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, but nor is he a flawless hero whom we should blindly give the benefit of the doubt about everything. Chillowack (talk) 22:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The quote in question, up top, is unrelated to this film. I can't think of any reason for it to be included in this article. cheers. anastrophe, an editor he is. 02:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The quote in question is about the people the film is about, and is meant to expose the blatant dissonance between the idealized vision this film paints and the ugly reality. It's relevant when discussing the accuracy of a fiml allegedly based on real events. 46.97.170.32 (talk) 09:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mel Gibson is not a producer on the Operation Underground Railroad upcoming four-part documentary series about child sex trafficking.

<ref name="ew/gibson-not-documentary">((cite web |last1=Baldwin |first1=Kristen |title=Mel Gibson is not making a documentary about child sex trafficking |url=https://ew.com/tv/mel-gibson-not-making-child-sex-trafficking-documentary/ |website=Entertainment Weekly |access-date=6 July 2023 |language=en |date=June 9, 2023))</ref>

The lead should mention that it is a commercial success too. It's out selling Indiana Jones in the US. Seems a bit harsh giving it the full lock ...♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I’m so confused. I have over 2,100 edits and the mods think it’s dangerous to let me edit the page. Wonder what they’re trying to shut down? EytanMelech (talk) 18:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EytanMelech, the revision history of the article, and the "reaching a consensus" section above, may explain why "the mods" acted this way. The situation changed shortly after you made your comment, and you are now able to edit the page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that this film is a PR piece for O.U.R is one of, if not the most important piece of information here. It's included in the body of the article under the Accuracy subheading, but it needs to be mentioned in the lede. I'm also confused as to why all mentions of QAnon needed to be removed. A brief acknowledgement is perfectly appropriate, as it is relevant to the nature of the film, and the organization it's trying to promote. 46.97.170.154 (talk) 10:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hard disagree on the O.U.R. connection in the lede. Unless OP can provide evidence O.U.R. funded the film, there is no evidence it is a PR piece for O.U.R. Mentioning O.U.R. as the primary source for the film in the accuracy section (which I suggested below) is sufficient. Isaacium (talk) 00:01, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OUR connection is clear in news coverage. It needs to be mentioned in the lede. https://www.axios.com/local/salt-lake-city/2023/07/10/sound-of-freedom-box-office-sales 73.206.167.225 (talk) 15:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See this article. Doug Weller talk 14:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggesting an edit to remove this section.

The film is based on a real-life story regarding child trafficking and a charity organisation that is attempting to free children. The movie has no aspect of the Q-Anon conspiracy. This seems to be a fake controversy for media outlets to get clicks.

It should be noted also that the media outlets (The Guardian, Rolling Stones and Wall Street Journal) are all left-leaning meaning a political bias is likely. In addition these media outlets who seem to have an issue with this film, labeling it as Q-Anon related, have voiced support for a film sexuality young children 'Cuties'.

It should be considered that the sources attempting to depict saving children from child trafficking may, as such, not be doing so with the best interests at heart and are generating false controversy to get hate clicks. 2A00:23C7:802:DF01:B1E2:7FE9:8B87:23BF (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying the Wall Street Journal is "left-leaning"??? 71.69.178.124 (talk) 22:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Allsides.com an independent reviewed site labels it as 'center' and in community feedback of 55,027 ratings from individuals labelling themselves as left, left leaning and center agreed.

As such it is center or center left-leaning if it's primarily being judged as center by left-leaning individuals.

Source: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/wall-street-journal-media-bias 2A00:23C7:802:DF01:5D9F:EC39:D948:5D6A (talk) 00:04, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Who will be the editor that links to such a future article as a source? ChonokisFigueroa (talk) 02:11, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It can be you, if you are aware of such a source. I have not seen one, but then again, I haven't gone looking for that specific thing. Fred Zepelin (talk) 00:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, please add recent article from The Guardian as a reference / citation for the section on QAnon influences.

Sound of Freedom: the QAnon-adjacent thriller seducing America by Charles Bramesco, 6 July 2023. Thank you. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 02:48, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Done. Wuffuwwuf (talk) 02:58, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ScreenRant did an article on the film and confirmed that much of the film's story was accurate, with minor inaccuracies largely occurring as a result of runtime.[22]

This article “confirms the story is accurate” by talking to Ballard who is accused of lying in the other articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.167.195.186 (talk) 23:53, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Still worthwhile to include the ScreenRant source. Currently, the accuracy section casts aspersions on Tim Ballard and his organization, not necessarily the movie itself. ScreenRant [1], and History vs. Hollywood [2] add critical information on the accuracy of the movie compared to the accuracy of what claimed to have happened in real life. Can include that the movie is based on Ballard and his organization's claims, which are not yet verified as true by independent sources, as The Cinemaholic has done [3]. Currently, the accuracy section suggests the entire movie is false.

I suggest the following edit (my additions in bold; my deletions in strikethrough):

While the film is purportedly based on real events involving Ballard's O.U.R., the accounts of those events have been questioned by researchers and reporters. The film is based on real events provided by Ballard and O.U.R. but have not been independently verified [3]. According to Ballard himself, there were minor inaccuracies which compressed the runtime and aided flow of the film [1][2]. Though not questioning any specific aspect of the film itself, the integrity of O.U.R. has been questioned by various media sources. In a 2020 expose, Vice News says that Ballard embellished O.U.R.'s role in the rescue of a trafficked woman. A 2021 follow-up article further criticized O.U.R.'s practices, including using inexperienced donors and celebrities as part of its jump team, a lack of meaningful surveillance or identification of targets, failing to validate whether the people they intended to rescue were in fact actual trafficking victims, and conflating consensual sex work with sex trafficking. A 2021 article in Slate criticized a 2014 raid conducted by O.U.R. in the Dominican Republic, saying that it was likely to have traumatized the trafficked children. Anne Gallagher, an authority on human trafficking, wrote in 2015 that O.U.R. had an "alarming lack of understanding about how sophisticated criminal trafficking networks must be approached and dismantled" and called the work of O.U.R "arrogant, unethical and illegal". In 2016, the Justice Department also forbade the Internet Crimes Against Children (ICAC) task force from giving any official aid to the group.

Investigative journalists Lynn Packer and Damion Moore of American Crime Journal reported that Tim Ballard lied about his involvement in the case portrayed in the film and fabricated details about his child sex trafficking activities.

/End edit

Sources:

[1] Sound Of Freedom True Story - 3 Changes To Tim Ballard's Story (& 4 Things The Movie Gets Right) (screenrant.com)

[2] Sound of Freedom vs. the True Story of Tim Ballard (historyvshollywood.com)

[3] Is Sound of Freedom a True Story? Is the 2023 Movie Based on Real Life? (thecinemaholic.com) Isaacium (talk) 23:56, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this line "While the film is purportedly based on real events involving Ballard's O.U.R., the accounts of those events have been questioned by researchers and reporters." is especially egregious and should be removed because none of the sources given actually question "the accounts of those events" as depicted in the film, only other aspects of O.U.R. Isaacium (talk) 23:59, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I'm impressed that this article has inspired Isaacium to return to editing, as they had only made one edit, over a year ago, and have been spurred into action by the Sound of Freedom article. I'm hopeful they will continue to contribute to Wikipedia in a positive way after this recent restart of their contributions. Fred Zepelin (talk) 00:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

The section regarding the film’s inaccuracies should be reorganized, as it is misleading in its current form. The writer goes on about sketchy news organizations saying the film is inaccurate and then changes its tune with a few sentences at the end of the section. Very misleading. If this is a reputable encyclopedia, it must not fall victim to bias. The people will inevitably smell it out and stop using Wikipedia. Personally, I enjoy his source and would prefer to continue using it. However, it seems Wikipedia has been hijacked by bias.. we must be better. Normal people can smell BS 73.216.138.78 (talk) 07:46, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:58, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The views of the actors do not reflect on the actual film itself and the controversy behind it is focused on the actors,the actors themselves should have the controversy on their pages as opposed to the films page.

It is akin to remarking on the controversies of any actor every time a new film is released. If we did this with every film then we'd have a never ending list. 2A00:23C7:802:DF01:5D9F:EC39:D948:5D6A (talk) 00:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Fred Zepelin (talk) 00:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty simple: remove entire section "QAnon" for violating WP:NPOV and replace it with nothing.

If you don't want to do that, cite byzantine rule you are selectively interpreting that allows you to circumvent the "Wikipedia prime directive" when a woke POV is more important. 174.192.200.161 (talk) 03:12, 11 July 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.216.156.175 (talk) [reply]

Film's portrayal: cultish. "On its surface, the movie, directed by Alejandro Gómez Monteverde, is a straightforward search-and-rescue thriller, in which Ballard, a special agent at the Department of Homeland Security, goes rogue to free a young girl from the clutches of a Colombian sex-trafficking ring. But it arrived in theaters surrounded by a cloud of innuendo put forth by its star and its noisiest right-wing supporters—conspiratorial insinuations about who doesn’t want this story to be told and what real-world traffickers are really up to."

"Although the movie makes no reference to QAnon or its associated conspiracy theories, which only began to leak into the mainstream the year before it was completed, Caviezel has been enthusiastically using his press tour to profess his belief in an international black market where a barrel of children’s body parts goes for a thousand times the price of oil."

https://slate.com/culture/2023/07/sound-of-freedom-movie-jim-caviezel-trafficking-qanon.html

Film's factual accuracy: nonexistent even according to a participant https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/sex-trafficking-raid-operation-underground-railroad.html?pay=1689043785152&support_journalism=please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.206.167.225 (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I guess Red Slapper wants to ensure there is not accurate coverage on this page.

What I want to ensure is that you don't expose wikipedia to libel lawsuits by violating the projects BLP policy. You can add reliably sourced critical reviews of the film to the article. As a side note, your first link doesn't say the film is "cultish", and your second one doesn't say its factual accuracy is nonexistent. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in your ability to add this article in a productive manner. Red Slapper (talk) 19:25, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, looks like Jpeterson101 has ignored the talkpage discussion and RfC above, and unilaterally removed pertinent information from the article. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 06:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fans of this movie apparently wrote the article and now they're desperate to keep anything that isn't promotional off of this page. It's typical behavior for the Qanon followers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.206.167.225 (talk) 15:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My neighbour was accused of murder. He said he didn't do it. It was such typical behavior for a mass murderer, I can't even. (Sounds dumb, right?)2604:3D09:C77:4E00:25ED:A8FA:9BA7:9869 (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I have restored this section. Kevin ^{AKA Hallward's Ghost} 18:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is requested that an edit be made to the semi-protected article at Sound of Freedom (film). (edit · history · last · links · protection log) This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it. "Please change X" is not acceptable and will be rejected; the request must be of the form "please change X to Y". The edit may be made by any autoconfirmed user. Remember to change the |answered=no parameter to "yes" when the request has been accepted, rejected or on hold awaiting user input. This is so that inactive or completed requests don't needlessly fill up the edit requests category. You may also wish to use the ((ESp)) template in the response. To request that a page be protected or unprotected, make a protection request.

Undo inappropriate large removal of content: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sound_of_Freedom_%28film%29&diff=1164785553&oldid=1164780175

The edit made by JPeterson101 was inappropriate and against clear consensus in this talk page. 73.206.167.225 (talk) 16:05, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored that section with a slightly changed subsection title. Kevin ^{AKA Hallward's Ghost} 18:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with it.2604:3D09:C77:4E00:25ED:A8FA:9BA7:9869 (talk) 16:43, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Qanon is not mentioned in the article at all, but the Qanon category appears in the footer. Can we please delete that as it doesn't apply to this article. Thank you2604:3D09:C77:4E00:25ED:A8FA:9BA7:9869 (talk) 16:42, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The section regarding connections of QAnon to the movie and the use of QAnon talking points by Ballard and Caviezel to promote the movie was inappropriately removed against consensus, and a request has been entered to restore the missing content. 73.206.167.225 (talk) 17:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add to the lede: Promotion of the movie has been heavily tied to Qanon conspiracy theories.

Sources: "Caviezel has been enthusiastically using his press tour to profess his belief in an international black market where a barrel of children’s body parts goes for a thousand times the price of oil." https://slate.com/culture/2023/07/sound-of-freedom-movie-jim-caviezel-trafficking-qanon.html

"Following that money leads back to a more unsavory network of astroturfed boosterism among the far-right fringe, a constellation of paranoids now attempting to spin a cause célèbre out of a movie with vaguely simpatico leanings. The uninitiated may not pick up on the red-yarn-and-corkboard subtext pinned onto a mostly straightforward extraction mission in South America, pretty much Taken with a faint whiff of something noxious in the air. Those tuned in to the eardrum-perforating frequency of QAnon, however, have heeded a clarion call that leads right to the multiplex." https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/06/sound-of-freedom-movie-qanon-jim-caviezel

"The Sound of Freedom, a film based on a former government agent’s pursuit to rescue child sex trafficking victims, is a hit at the box office and a darling among right-wing audiences, but it’s also come under scrutiny for its numerous ties to the QAnon conspiracy." "Mike Rothschild, a journalist who wrote The Storm Is Upon Us: How QAnon Became a Movement, Cult, and Conspiracy Theory of Everything, criticized Caviezel as a “Q-pilled antisemite” for wild references to the Rothschilds and the movement for its ties to antisemitism (QAnon has been described as being rooted in the older antisemitic idea that Jews control the world)." https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2023/07/11/box-office-hit-sound-of-freedom-controversy-including-qanon-ties-and-false-claims-theaters-are-sabotaging-screenings-explained/?sh=64f3907688cd

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/01/children-sex-trafficking-conspiracy-epidemic/620845/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3apm/anti-trafficking-group-with-long-history-of-false-claims-gets-its-hollywood-moment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.206.167.225 (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC) https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/04/19/jim-caviezel-theory-donie-osullivan-qanon-pkg-newday-vpx.cnn https://variety.com/2023/film/box-office/sound-of-freedom-box-office-success-1235664837/ https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-reviews/sound-of-freedom-jim-caviezel-child-trafficking-qanon-movie-1234783837/ https://slate.com/culture/2023/07/sound-of-freedom-movie-jim-caviezel-trafficking-qanon.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2023/07/07/sound-of-freedom-qanon-theories-jim-caviezel/ https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/06/sound-of-freedom-movie-qanon-jim-caviezel https://www.thedailybeast.com/passion-of-the-christ-star-jim-caviezel-hawks-qanon-adrenochrome-conspiracy-theory 73.206.167.225 (talk) 20:26, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is fine to have an accuracy section that uses current reviews or criticisms that specifically mention the movie's accuracy - e.g. the sentences sourced to American Crime Journal (putting aside the debatable reliability of that source) which mention the movie in this contect.

It is not appropriate to take criticisms of OUR or Ballard, from years ago, and use them to criticize the movie. That is WP:SYNTH that is not allowable - taking source A that says OUR/Ballard has exaggerated/lied about his actions, and combine it with source B that says Sound of Freedom is a movie based on OUR/Ballard's activities, to reach a conclusion of 'Sound of Freedom is not accurate" which is not stated explictly in either A or B. Red Slapper (talk) 21:07, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• eyeroll* what are you claiming is inaccurate? What, SPECIFIC, source and wording are you opposed to? If you are claiming that the current Slate and Vice sources are not sufficient, Slate has a followup article, and so does Vice. It is ENTIRELY encyclopedic to report the fact that a supposedly "based on real events" movie gets its "facts" from an organization and persons with a history of dissembling and embellishment for self-promotional and propaganda purposes.

https://slate.com/culture/2023/07/sound-of-freedom-movie-jim-caviezel-trafficking-qanon.html https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3apm/anti-trafficking-group-with-long-history-of-false-claims-gets-its-hollywood-moment 73.206.167.225 (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of rolling your eyes, use them to read WP:SYNTH. You are not allowed to use a (possibly accurate) claim from one source that OUR/Ballard has exaggerated/lied about his actions, with another (accurate) claim from a different source that says this is a movie about Ballard, in order to reach a conclusion that this movie is not accurate, unless there is a single source that explictly says that. You cannot combine different sources that way. Red Slapper (talk) 22:37, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Operation Underground Railroad has spent years making big, often unprovable claims about its paramilitary missions and role in rescuing trafficked kids. Now, a new hit movie may help solidify the myth." Perhaps you need to spend some time working on reading comprehension skills. 73.206.167.225 (talk) 23:21, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The plot synopsis is longer than it should be. It could probably be streamlined by 1/3 or a bit more without worry. Also, if the epilogue is making a factual claim, that needs some citation. 73.206.167.225 (talk) 21:50, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article by Stephanie Kemmerer, 7/7/23. She is also a columnist for Skeptical Inquirer. This article details the various Qanon dog-whistles and symbols baked into the movie.

https://aiptcomics.com/2023/07/07/sound-of-freedom-qanon-caviezel/ 73.206.167.225 (talk) 22:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]