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I have just put in a link in an article to aether theory expecting it to go to aether theories. It doesn't, it goes to luminiferous aether. It seems perverse to me to have the singular term not redirect to the article titled with the same plural term. I would have boldly changed it, but all the current incoming links seem to be intended for luminiferous aether. SpinningSpark21:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget and change the incoming links. There aren't that many incoming links, so it should be easy to sort out. "Aether theory" does not unambiguously refer to luminiferous aether, and it makes sense for the singular case to redirect to the plural. A redirect to a disambiguation page isn't necessary, because linking to aether theories naturally sorts out any ambiguity. – Scyrme (talk) 21:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is not as silly as it looks. There are several aether theories. But if someone says Aether Theory, singular, he very likely means the luminiferous aether. Roger (talk) 03:02, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree, I think retargeting to aether theories is not only harmless, but beneficial, in that the very first section of the article discusses luminiferous aether (and links to the main article for that topic), while also briefly explaining other aether theories. Someone looking for luminiferous aether will find it, and someone looking for other forms of aether will find that too. Win/win! (!vote Retarget) Fieari (talk) 07:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Per recent precedent of deleting Potential Tropical Cyclone Two, we shouldn’t have a redirect of a PTC when the storm developed. 47.23.40.14 (talk) 23:08, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete PTC Nine since it's ambiguous and can refer to any storm, but keep PTC Three as it includes the year which makes it unambiguous and harmless. N.b., Just wanted to note that I took the liberty of bundling both redirects nominated by the same IP, and also arranged nomination in chronological order. CycloneYoristalk!01:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nine, keep Three per CycloneYoris. It's impossible to get a suitable target for Nine, while Three is unambiguous. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Not equivalent, Dante wrote several other notable works as well that have also been translated to English. Deletion seems appropriate unless someone wants to write up List of English translations of works by Dante Alighieri signed, Rosguilltalk20:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was retarget to Government#Party system, which was created during the course of this discussion to handle the nuances of the term where a disambiguation page may fall short. Later discussion showed broad agreement with this solution. --Tavix(talk)15:09, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete to encourage article creation. This redirect is linked to a wikidata item that corresponds to a government formed in a multi-party republic that only consists of representatives of one party. This is distinct from One-party state, and isn't described in detail at the current target of Government, which would be less-than-useful for readers searching this term. signed, Rosguilltalk20:13, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Two possible ways to improve are:
add a section to the page Government about "Single-party government" vs "Coalition government" and redirect to that section
No objection to adding relevant content at Government, but that's something that should ideally be done before the redirect is created, rather than creating a redirect that does not help our readership. signed, Rosguilltalk20:30, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would retargeting to Dominant-party system as ((R from related term)) be helpful? I understand that there's technically a distinction in that a single-party government isn't necessarily a lasting, continuous situation but a dominant-party government is a type of single-party government, and the lead section of the dominant-party system article explicitly addresses the distinction between this and a one-party state, so it may be helpful in that regard. If the redirect is simply deleted it seems like it will eventually just be recreated; someone may even mistakenly redirect it to one-party state. It may be better to retarget it to a section or article which explains the distinction now to avoid this problem. – Scyrme (talk) 20:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How can a single-party government not have a majority? By definition, it's the only party in government. I suppose the majority of seats could be vacant, but that's a contrived example. – Scyrme (talk) 20:49, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think a confidence and supply relationship (which is what Sweden has, unless I'm mistaken) counts as not participating in government. If I'm wrong, I suppose this raises another issue that the encyclopaedia could clarify. Perhaps redirecting to a section on "single-party government" vs "coalition government" (as you suggested) would be the most helpful solution. – Scyrme (talk) 22:29, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A confidence and supply agreement is not participating in government, at least not as it worked for Theresa May's government. The partner party does not hold any offices, or take part in formal decision making, unlike a coalition. It is just an agreement that it will vote with the government in a confidence vote or a budget vote, thus ensuring that the opposition cannot immediately bring down the ruling government. The partner party is perfectly free to oppose the government on any other issue. SpinningSpark05:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This implies that "single-party government" is used synonymously with these terms, but as far as I know it's not. I could see it mistakenly used to refer to a dominant-party system or one-party state but that would be an error; listing them equally alongside the actual meaning would just further the confusion - it would be less than useful. "Single-party government" is the antonym of "coalition government". Either a single-party or a coalition can constitute majority/minority governments, so "disambiguating" to majority and minority doesn't make any sense. "Minority government" is not an alternative to "coalition government"; a coalition can form a minority government. – Scyrme (talk) 20:57, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Taylor 49:One-party government the way you created it was fine at not being misleading in the ways I raised, but after Mx. Granger simplified it to conform to the usual disambiguation page format it now has exactly the problem I raised. While this could be reverted, it's likely someone else will simplify it again. The disambiguation page shouldn't have been created until this discussion was closed (and even then, only after it was agreed upon), because now this discussion exceeds the scope of a "redirect for discussion".
The disambiguation page that now exists is misleading and doesn't even link users to information about a "single-party government"; the same problems the original redirect had (before I added relevant information to Government, the original target). The current situation fails to disambiguate and, if anything, actually creates more ambiguity by implying synonymy and offering misleading targets. – Scyrme (talk) 16:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's better than it was but it still seems to have the problem that was the original redirect had; that it implies that "single-party government" is synonymous with "one-party state", at least in some contexts, which is misleading. Additionally, the new redirect pointing to the relevant information at Government § Party stystem, namely "One-party government (democracy)", seems unnatural and contrived, particularly when compared to the original redirect.
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The result of the discussion was keep. Apparently this discussion may involve knowledge of multiple language Wikipedias, and a more focussed audience. No prejudice to this being re-nominated under a different rationale, if local discussions do not produce a desired outcome. Jay(talk)04:08, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: It seems like that this RfD has attracted no participants because nothing seems clear in the nomination, but I infer two implicit questions from the nominator. Should "Noble Consort Mei" and "Consort Mei" point to the same target? And if so, which target should that be? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - These terms translate Mei Fei (梅妃; Consort Mei), Mei Guifei (玫贵妃; Noble Consort Mei), and Wen Guifei (玟贵妃; Noble Consort Wen) respectively. The name of the article for Noble Consort Wen on Chinese Wikipedia is 玟贵妃 [zh], however on Japanese Wikipedia it is 玫貴妃 [ja].
Notably, 玫贵妃 [zh] is a redirect to 玟贵妃 [zh] on Chinese Wikipedia, although the inverse is not true of Japanese Wikipedia. Also notably, 梅妃 [zh] is a redirect to 江采蘋 [zh] which corresponds to Jiang Caipin. The current redirects on English Wikipedia mirror exactly those on Chinese Wikipedia.
Assuming the titles of the articles on Chinese and Japanese Wikipedia are correct, and that the redirects on Chinese Wikipedia is likewise correct, it makes senses that their respective translations redirect to the equivalent target on English Wikipedia. – Scyrme (talk) 21:42, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think the confusion on this issue is because there's nothing in the Noble Consort Wen page that refers to her as "Noble Consort Mei", or explains why this term refers to her rather than Jiang Caipin. If that could be explained somewhere, the decision on the redirect would be easier. Tevildo (talk) 17:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The term "Divine Liturgy of Saint Gregory" is also used in English-language material relating to the Coptic Orthodox Church. See this, or this for example. It could be turned into a disambiguation page, but deleting it is a mistake. – Scyrme (talk) 15:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, the boldlead at the current target says Liturgy of Saint Gregory. I say tag it with ((R with possibilities)) and should it ever be created there would be a hat at each pointing to the other. Happy Editing--IAmChaos00:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep(created the redirect) - Since MOS:DABNOLINK states A disambiguation page should not ... have only one blue link on the entire page, conversion to a disambiguation page would not be appropriate, so I retract my earlier suggestion (prior to relisting). I think the best solution is to keep the redirect and tag it with ((R with possibilities)) until an article on the Western Rite liturgy is created (as IAmChaos suggested prior to relisting). – Scyrme (talk) 17:47, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as useless. You have to type in the target before typing the name of this redirect in the first place, and the search bar should catch anybody on the way there. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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There is no logic behind redirecting Samay Shah to TMKOC page. Either we should create fresh article or delete this redirect if information from reliable source is not found. HamimM7 (talk) 07:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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I’m not sure why but the nominator decided to change the original redirect target of 2018 Wake Forest Demon Deacons football team to have this redirect to itself. Since I haven’t seen good reason to have do so I have retargted it back to thr original target. I have no opinion of whether or not it should be deleted though.--70.24.248.109 (talk) 00:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:REDYES and A7V2; no prejudice against article creation. Note: a redirect should never be made to target itself, but it is also unhelpful/confusing to retarget a redirect during an RfD discussion, even to correct an obvious error. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete to leave behind an article-encouraging redlink, per WP:REDYES. Deletion and then later article creation are not incompatible. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:30, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to another article or delete: Doly Gringy is an alias for a person named Amedy Coulibaly. At the time of creating this redirect, there was also a redirect for Amedy Coulibaly pointing at the Charlie Hebdo shooting which I had also created. The Amedy Coulibaly redirect was expanded into an article a day later, but this redirect was not changed to point to the new article. (It looks like I was not aware of the new article, which is why I didn't fix the redirect.) The only problem with redirecting is that the Amedy Coulibaly article does not mention his alias currently, so it might still make more sense to delete than fix. --Super Goku V (talk) 23:08, 4 July 2022 (UTC) (Creator of Redirect)[reply]
Retarget to Amedy Coulibaly and amend the target to mention the alias since it can be supported by a reference like the news article linked above. This addition could be made unintrusively by adding to |other_names= already used in the infobox. – Scyrme (talk) 01:38, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete. There are now no remaining keep arguments since the first relist. The argument that G4 does not apply is a non sequitur. Two other keeps argued that other numbers have such redirects. Besides being an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, this is generally done for numbers that actually have an entry at the target, which this one doesn't. Thus, no policy based reason for keeping has been advanced. SpinningSpark 14:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC) SpinningSpark14:12, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I do not see a previous RfD discussion, only one for AfD. While some participants of that discussion suggested no redirect and no merge, there is no consensus for such. Jalen Folf(talk)16:31, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects do take G criteria, but G4 does not apply to a redirect of a title deleted at AfD, as it is not sufficiently identical Happy Editing--IAmChaos02:23, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The redirect was made 16 years after the AfD discussion. The number isn't notable enough for a standalone article but I don't see any harm in keeping it as a redirect — Preceding unsigned comment added by XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 20:44, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, after setting aside the WP:CSD and WP:OSE arguments that aren't applicable. This number is not discussed at the target, so someone wanting information on this specific number will not be helped by where they end up. --Tavix(talk)20:35, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep to avoid a redlink at the number infobox. Otherwise this will keep getting recreated as long as the redlink is there. Go to 9999 (number) or 10,000 and look at the number infobox which has bluelinks for the Previous and Next. I don't understand ((Infobox number)) enough to customize the Next to make 10001 non-redlinked text. I checked 5000, 2000, etc., to see how they managed, and they have done the same as the redirect under discussion. If someone has a solution to the Infobox problem, I'll change my vote to delete. Jay(talk)11:19, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - If anything, the usage of the template is all the more reason to NOT keep this, as a bluelink on 10,000 which is just a circular redirect to a section which doesn't actually discuss that number is not helpful to readers. Perhaps a solution to the problem of having this repeatedly recreated would be to apply a creation protection until (if ever) there is a good reason to recreate it as a redirect or article. A7V2 (talk) 07:55, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Tavix. Regarding Jay's point, the infobox appears to be smart enough to resolve the problem on its own: if there's no article/redirect for a given number, it just doesn't create a link at all. See User:Extraordinary Writ/sandbox4 for an example where the number that does have a redirect (10946) is linked while the one that doesn't (10948) isn't. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is wonderful! I was looking for an existing example, either redlink or black, and tried several number pages, but could find none. I have struck off my vote. Delete per Tavix and others. Jay(talk)07:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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If this should target an American place, it would be California (CA) not NY, but why not Canada per ISO 3166? Either way neither of those have a page so I propose Deletion Happy Editing--IAmChaos05:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Current target definitely doesn't seem to make sense and no suitable target appears to exist. A7V2 (talk) 06:11, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the redirect means something else except its current target, which it absolutely does not mean. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:54, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Another implausible cutoff? The search bar would fill in to Little Manila while typing without this redirect Happy Editing--IAmChaos05:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bundled 05:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC) If anyone wants to bundle Filipinotown, Wood or Filipinotown wood - I didn't as its a slightly different nom reason, because its not an exact match to the title, but instead a different term with a similar cutoff issue. Happy Editing--IAmChaos05:24, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as confusing at best. Google Search doesn't even help with this redirect as most point back to the wiki or wiki mirrors --Lenticel(talk)01:24, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as implausible, misleading and useless; their job can be better done by search engines. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:35, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Target only mentions violence in television, but doesn't really discuss it in any detail; it doesn't even discuss graphic violence in television in any particularly helpful detail, so it can't be justified as ((R from related term)) or ((R from related topic)). I would've suggested retargeting to Violence in art but that article does not yet have any information specific to television. Until relevant information is added to the encyclopaedia somewhere, there's no appropriate target. – Scyrme (talk) 18:18, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Is deletion all you can think about? I am amazed. As this touches upon another aspect, I don't think that combat automatically implies violence, or v.v. See also: below. -- Kku (talk) 10:17, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No. Real amazement with maybe a trace of irony. Besides, is this a personal threat? Either way, I have a hard time understanding how one can try to argue in one specific direction and not provide any constructive alternatives whatsoever. -- Kku (talk) 06:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep and think again. Which percentage of violence would you say comes from language (or sound) in movies? Be specific. If we talk about the US, at least on TV four letter words are bleeped out, aren't they? I don't know how it is with cinema presentations. But how often do you hear a one-to-one reiteration of the result of torture or killing in explicit dialogue? In Apocalypse Now, afair, the graphical violence makes up almost 100%. In every horror movie I watched, pictures are foremost. Monsters do not declare whom they will eat and how. They just do it. Where does 'violence' in language even start in general? While your general impulse is probably valid, please prove to me that it's not mainly the depiction of violence that people can and will find appalling,disgusting,revolting. -- Kku (talk) 10:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Graphic violence refers to the depiction of especially vivid, brutal and realistic acts of violence in visual media such as film, television, and video games. It may be real, simulated live action, or animated.
, you have just affirmed my thoughts. Or you are able to state clearly which part specifically of film violence is not graphic. Thank you for your consideration. -- Kku (talk) 06:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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