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The result was Delete. Lara 17:54, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alvin e miller[edit]

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Lengthy article lacking references that makes claims of notability; however, unable to find GHits or GNEWS to support claims except for the book and him being a pastor. Article appears to have been copied and pasted from an existing source. May fail WP:BIO ttonyb (talk) 16:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poklen[edit]

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Article lacks reliable sources to meet the general notability guideline or any other guidelines to inclusion in Wikipedia. Only two sources are given, urbandictionary and a blog, neither of which are remotely reliable. A Google News search didn't uncover anything either.

Wikipedia isn't for things made up in a day, or for an essay about random social circles backed up by zero solid data. tedder (talk) 05:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The original author has made a note on the discussion page asking other contributors to give sources verifiable by any party that is interested, but sadly there are no legible sources that can be provided, and such is fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahizwan 88 (talkcontribs) 19:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is that an observation or a delete !vote? Certainly it appears sources haven't been found. tedder (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rapidshare networks[edit]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bell Tower Falls[edit]

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Declined speedy, however I can find no reliable third-party sources for this band, so in my view they fail WP:BAND and WP:GNG. ArcAngel (talk) 03:11, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bell Tower Falls will be signed to a record label in the coming months. If the page is deleted now, but more credible sources are found, can the Bell Tower Falls page be re-created? Thanks! Bloodwire2004 (talk) 23:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)John KiernanBloodwire2004 (talk) 23:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jino kang[edit]

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Contested prod. I can't find any third-party source for this person sufficient to pass WP:BIO. 0 relevant Gnews hit. Tim Song (talk) 01:57, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, there are no independent sources that assert notability. Making claims is one thing, backing them up is another, and that's why this article has problems with notability. ArcAngel (talk) 14:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Listed for 18 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator but not enough participation to determine consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:56, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Motown Republic Artists[edit]

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Redundant. We already have List of Cash Money Records artists and other similar lists for each Universal Motown label. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 20:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • A new list should be made for Republic, then. I'll get on it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 17:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Listed for 18 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator but not enough participation to determine consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Universal Music Group artists[edit]

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"Universal Music Group" is not a label, but rather an aggregation of labels. None of these artists is signed to Universal Music Group proper, but one of its actual labels — Universal, Mercury, MCA, what have you. Therefore, this list is incomplete, misleading and redundant, as other lists such as List of Mercury Records artists already exist to cover all of the Universal Music Group labels. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 20:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As if By Magic[edit]

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Future non-notable single, fails WP:NSONGS. There's only one source for it, but more links should be added to assert its notability. PROD was taken down when the reference was added. Maybe later, when the single becomes a charted single or something, the article may be written again. Victão Lopes I hear you... 15:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article is getting better now. A few more links and it should be OK with WP:CRYSTAL and WP:V. However, Notability is still an issue here. Victão Lopes I hear you... 15:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hall Musique had an interview with La Roux, by mail. Every messages have been verified by La Roux's manager : Tony Beard. The information is now on Ukmix, Buzzjack, and DigitalSpy. What's wrong?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caillat9 (talkcontribs)


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Ray Chandler[edit]

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Limited notability, most likely notable only for the murder, seems to be a one event case. I have tried to look for extra sources to build on the article, but I could find nothing in Google Books, or Google News. Steve Crossin The clock is ticking.... 05:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Arguments presented in favor of keeping the article do not address the issue of notability. Therefore, consensus supports deletion here. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:52, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

King of Plymouth[edit]

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The article and the search results indicate no notability of this event, if it in fact exists.  Sandstein  21:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. Having read over it quickly, I just cannot find any consensus at all for deletion. MuZemike 23:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond Salvatore Harmon[edit]

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No sources at all, and totally fails WP:NPOV. Questionable notability. U-Mos (talk) 20:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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This article was nominated for deletion out of a debate on the unreferenced material that was added by a vandal on September 24th 2009. After having my attempts to undo the vandalism reverted several times by user U-Mos I tried to open a discussion with the user (on their talk page) who was reverting everything I did to remove the vandalism. At this point the user nominated the article for deletion because I disagreed that his revisions were unreferenced and potentially libel.

This wiki article has been actively maintained since May of 2007 and has gone through several revisions. It conforms to the standards for biographies for living persons. I feel that the user U-Mos is simply attacking the article out of spite over the subject of the potential revisions. U-Mos reverted the article 3 times in under a few hours before nominating it for deletion. In fact, based on the talk page for the user U-Mos it is apparent that they regularly have this issue.Creather (talk) 26 September 2009 (UTC)


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I have added verifiable references to much of the content of this wiki article. The accusation of 'questionable notability' seems a bit much considering a simple search for the artist's name reveals and extensive amount of material.Creather (talk) 28 September 2009 (UTC)

I object on the strongest terms any suggestion that I nominated this article out of spite, or that I have some kind of pattern of unconstructive behaviour (yes, I have been blocked for 24 hours in the recent past for breaking 3RR, but I have learnt from that mistake). This nomination came because of the quality of the article, regardless of the edits I had made to it before (which were absolutely not three reverts, but a revert and two further edits on the same text in an effort to find a compromise). Creatcher: this place is for discussing whether the article should remain or not. You've added some sources, excellent. That's the way to go about getting this kept. There's still the issue of NPOV, and there is still questionable notability (google results does not mean notability. Has he been covered in mainstream publications/news outside the recent Thom Yorke video? I don't know. Perhaps he is notable, but the article doesn't make it seem so.). Please discuss that here and leave the issues you clearly have with me at the door, or on my talk page if you so desire. U-Mos (talk) 12:40, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm on the fence, re: notability. If the article survives, if definitely needs POV work and shoring up of its references. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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I searched again for his name (full name, without quotes), in Ebsco, Gale, and Proquest databases to which I have access, and besides the Chicago Tribune article mentioned above, found nothing. As an underground artist, he's obviously much more likely to appear in small, nichey, online publications than established mainstream ones, but I personally found him almost exclusively in the former, and never in the latter. Without wishing to disparage his work, I feel I can say that based on my research that while he has a large presense online, he fails to appear in sources which establish his notability. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 20:46, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So in order for a person to be notable they have to appear in a search of a commercially owned press search engine like Ebsco, Gale, and Proquest? What about the Harmon article in PAJ, published by MIT press? Or reviews of his work in magazines like Time Out, Signal to Noise, Wire Magazine, All About Jazz, Chicago Tribune and many others? Surely publications that can be bought at a Barnes and Nobles qualifies as more than "underground media"? The PAJ article alone establishes notability based on the wiki requirements.

To quote the wiki page:

"A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]"

Of which the references sited above (PEEL magazine, PAJ, Internet Movie Database etc) qualify Harmon under these terms. Creatcher (talk) 12:59, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I did find via google search I felt were not sufficiently reliable to determine Harmon's notability, based on my understanding of WP's reliable sources page and its reliable source examples page. It's entirely possible that I was being too harsh on them, and I welcome others' interpretations.
For the three examples you ask specifically about, in my own opinion, I do not consider the Peel source reliable, since it's a website based on a 'zine. I consider PAJ a reliable source as an academic journal published by MIT. However, since Harmon is the author of the article I think it's problematic for determining notability. I don't feel confident making a judgment of imdb. The reliable source examples page says "certain film authorship (screenwriting) credits on IMDb, specifically those which are provided by the Writer's Guild of America, can be considered to be adequately reliable," but my experience here seems to indicate it's reliable for verifying facts, but not for establishing notability. I could be mistaken about that.
I apologize if my previous post sounded like I was attacking, insulting, or dismissing Harmon or any editor here. It was not my intent. My only intent was to present the results of my research for others to interpret, and to provide my interpretation of the same. Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 19:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]


As well as contributing an article to issue 91 of the PAJ Harmon is discussed as part of the editors article on esoterism in the art world in the same issue. The other issue is that at the moment any google search for Harmon yield's an enormous amount of links to reviews of the Banksy/Yorke video piece - which tends to bury any constructive links to actual reviews of his work/interviews/etc. There is certainly more than enough online data to establish notability, one just has to dig a bit deeper than the first 100 returns of a google search.

Beyond the many articles relating to Harmon's work there are also several major film festivals who have screened Harmon's films and list them online. Notably the Copenhagen International Documentary Film Festival which screen Harmon's work in 2007 and 2008. Harmon was also interviewed in a recent issue of Time Out London (2009 Summer Festival guide) in relation to his directorship of the Equinox Festival.

Again, though the article could use more input in terms of references I strongly feel that there is more than enough evidence available to establish notability for Harmon and his work. He meets all the basic criteria outlined in the wiki qualifications for notability from several different perspectives. Individual interpretation of the criteria for notability aside the letter of the rules outlined are met in full.Creatcher (talk) 09:05, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 17:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alden Marin[edit]

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No indication that this poet is notable. It's not hard to publish a book, and being nominated by your publisher for an award probably isn't hard either, unless your publisher hates you. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 18:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wasserstrom[edit]

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Contested Prod, Fails WP:COMPANY Google News reveals no coverage of this company RP459 (talk) 16:08, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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no offense taken I never mind if something I nominated stays because someone found something I did not... RP459 (talk) 17:49, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Captain Beefheart. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Blakely[edit]

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Non-notable individual who played for a short time in a band that went on to become well known. His brief participation should be discussed in the articles on the band itself. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 15:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. Listed for 13 days with no participation aside from the nominator. Those commenting on the article's talk page are arguing "keep". (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plugless Power[edit]

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non notable electric vehicle. Ygosons (talk) 15:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. No argument to keep given in two weeks. Deleting this BLP as uncontested requested deletion. NW (Talk) 11:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Bortolotti[edit]

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While it is possible that the projects Bortolotti produced are notable, that notability does not flow to him. I see no sources that have sufficient depth to write a well rounded biography. Kevin (talk) 05:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Delete per nom. Alaney2k (talk) 18:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 22:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Asilient anomie[edit]

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Essay like article that has strong overtones of original research and synthesis. I am unable to locate any reliable sources referring to this concept. Crafty (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 22:18, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Therapy (The Alchemist song)[edit]

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Contested prod. No indication that this meets notability guidelines. Billboard shows only one song by this artist has charted, and this isn't it. RadioFan (talk) 02:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 00:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Fitzpatrick[edit]

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Contested prod on basis "dePROD, reason (never played in pro league) invalid (aston villa is pro)" However soccerbase or any other source fails to mention any appearance for Aston Villa. this article confirms he only ever played non-league. one article in a local paper does not pass WP:GNG and he fails WP:ATHLETE ClubOranjeT 22:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There was a Gary Fitzpatrick who played in one league match for Leicester City in the 1989–90 season. It's unclear whether this is the same player as the one in the article here. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that the Birmingham Mail article linked above states that he was once on Leicester's books and went on to VS Rugby.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • As does this. That also makes two reliable in-depth independent sources about him, which I'd suggest means he passes the GNG -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The latter half of the career of the guy on this page matches with the details of the guy in the linked articles and the stats page, so I believe it is the same guy and the bit on this page about him having started his career with Villa is in error -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 05:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pop Princesses 2[edit]

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Seemingly non-notable compilation albums, lacking reliable, significant, and non-trivial coverage by my search. Cheers, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 00:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:55, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sozmusician[edit]

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Non-notable musician. No sources by reliable secondary sources to satisfy the general notability guideline or any of the musician criteria. Only significant edits are from a single purpose account suggesting a possible conflict of interest. Optigan13 (talk) 00:33, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are albums by the artist:

The Initiative (album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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  • I suspect the creator of these articles meant to use the title Soz (musician), not Sozmusician. If you're searching for information about him, that's a more likely search term.
  • I think that Sozmusician probably could have been speedied under ((db-g4)) based on the previous deletion (which I've added a link to, above). Dori ❦ (TalkContribsReview) ❦ 07:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tube Data Archive[edit]

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No notability. "Tube Data Archive" has lots of mirrors, which don't work as "independent from the subject" and a non-notable association which gave them an award. Neither the association or the award are considered notable, and the association isn't really a reliable source. Other coverage is sorely lacking, and the required standard under WP:GNG isn't met here. Ironholds (talk) 17:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:56, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mugurdy Search Engine[edit]

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non notable search engine website. Johnfamson (talk) 04:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree; it is as notable as - if not more than - a number of the search engines listed on Web_search_engine. The article is very toned down and neutral, and was created for inclusion on Web_search_engine as per EdJohnston (talk)'s comments. Plenderj (talk) 10:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was redirect to Rocky V. Coffee // have a cup // ark // 09:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC) 09:11, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tommy Gunn[edit]

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This is a single film character that doesn't assert notability. All of the information is already covered within Rocky V. TTN (talk) 21:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's been reverted from a redirect twice, and I doubt that anyone insistent on keeping it is going to respect an AfD that old. TTN (talk) 22:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 22:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Index of Gibraltar-related articles[edit]

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Too small of a list to be useful. All of these are already linked from Gibraltar and/or Category:Gibraltar. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 21:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. JForget 22:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eckard Rabe[edit]

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WP:BLP failing wp:bio: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Pikiwyn talk 10:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a lousy article, but the subject is apparently notable enough. There are enough Google News hits to evidence notability, even though the best sources appear likely to be print/offline. The online sources, thin as they may be, indicate the subject passes WP:ENT, and we don't delete articles just because finding the sources needed to expand beyond stub-length is hard work. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 22:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dibidogs[edit]

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Yet to be broadcast Finnish children's animation. I cannot find any reliable sources to support claims of notability. Fails General Notability Guideline, WP:CRYSTAL. Crafty (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: As the author Dibidogs (talk · contribs) has been blocked as a promotional/group account, they cannot comment here; I have offered to copy here any comment they care to leave on their talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 22:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Newsbeuter[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 20:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nor I (it was originally a nuisance-redirect to ncurses by User:Mac, which was easier to convert to a stub than delete) Tedickey (talk) 20:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MuZemike 23:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bip IRC Proxy[edit]

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Not notable. Unsourced. Wikipedia is not a software directory. Miami33139 (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete - G7. ϢereSpielChequers 10:56, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stand Out Fit In Be Heard![edit]

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Non-notable theater production by non-notable author per WP:GNG, unreferenced, no trace of it can be found online, possible WP:HOAX, prod contested by creator. MuffledThud (talk) 20:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 22:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Dargaville[edit]

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Notability is at least unclear; searches turn up lots of library holdings and publications by him but almost nothing to suggest any third party interest. Mangoe (talk) 19:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Greenberg[edit]

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LotLE -- Aha, the shortcut to WP:NOTINHERITED was a welcome gesture. It helps me begin to parse this more finely. The word "measuring" was particularly good. I hadn't quite recognized that I was conflating two measuring standards which needed to be assessed separately. Let me think about this. --Tenmei (talk) 19:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fundamentally, the subject of this article is notable solely because David Ferriero identifies Josh Greenberg as notable. That's the bottom-line which caused me to draft this article. This stub has been prepared for others like me who wonder who is Joshua Greenberg and what is Ferriero talking about when he mentions him.
Ferriero's asserted opinion becomes -- ipse dixit -- good and sufficient rationale for retaining this article. In other words, I'm arguing that Greenberg is notable even if Ferriero's assessment were a bare assertion fallacy in another context. In Ferriero's area of expertise, his opinion has stand-alone credibility for the purposes of assessing this stub for notability.
I don't understand nor can I explain what Ferriero means when he assigns some kind of pivotal quality to Greenberg. In my view, the two statements above are enough to satisfy WP:Notability.
As you may know, Ferriero has been nominated to become the 10th Archivist of the United States. This is apples and oranges in terms of the general topic of libraries and librarians and a host of other relevant issues. Nevertheless, the nomination does enhance the weight to be accorded Ferriero when he asserts an opinion in the area of his expertise, i.e., that Greenberg is sufficiently notable to be included in Wikipedia.
Talk:Joshua Greenberg has more in common with an inelegant game of Go rather than an engaged and thoughtful exchange of views. My failure to be persuasive in that venue was frustrating. This non-standard explanation attempts to make a similar argument in different words. This stub article should be retained.
I agree and accept that articles about living people need to be held to the highest standards. It is plain to me that the votes to delete this article are only intended to further these high standards. In such a dispute, everyone wins -- even if the end result happens to be that this article will be deleted until a better foundation can be developed. --Tenmei (talk) 14:42, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not inherited. The fact that the book have been subject to critical review means that we can writen an article about the book. This does not automatically imply that the author is noteable. Taemyr (talk) 10:34, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A book does not create itself. By the same logic, Einstein would not be notable. Only his papers would be, since he could not “inherit” the notability of his papers. C’mon!--Eric Yurken (talk) 13:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MuZemike 23:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yogi Tea[edit]

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Non-notable product. Some news sources exist, but they appear to be passing mentions, press-releases or paid placements. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 06:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's not a barrier to it being used as a reference, the policy states that's it's "by no means necessary". But when it's one of the only two available sources verifying notability of a subject, I think it's editorially fair to require something that we can all access as part of the fact checking process. Otherwise it's pretty much worthless. Steven Walling 19:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
True that. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
HIT OF THE WEEK: This energizing though caffeine-free beverage isn't really tea...it's an exotic blend of spices and herbs, packaged loose."
"This may sound time-consuming....The process is delightful, the results sublime."
"Our favorite is Original Yogi Tea, available at health food stores and natural supermarkets. Its ingredients are based on the teachings of Ayurveda, Indian holistic medicine."
"As Yogi Tea simmers on the stove, it emits a luscious fragrance that lingers for hours, part of why we love preparing it."
"Yogi Bhajan's Yogi Tea, 3 oz., about $3.50 in natural food stores, $1.99 at Trader Joe's. Box of 16 teabags, $2.99, at Cambridge Natural Foods and Bread & Circus." Some jerk on the Internet (talk) 19:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also note that there are articles mentioning it in the LA Times, also behind a paywall, as well as other newspapers. I'm generally hesitant to use any one of these as proof - since it is difficult to know if the article merely mentioned the tea or was about it - but it did receive publicity in two national newspapers (the Globe and the LA Times.) I'm not counting anything appearing in a trade mag. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There are news articles on this topic. Ret.Prof (talk) 21:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted G7. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Ishaq[edit]

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(Speedy turned down) I don't see anything here establishing notability - A-Space won an award from Time, not Ahmad. This is a resume. JaGatalk 17:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 22:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Will Hurd[edit]

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An autobiography of former Student Body President of Texas A&M University. In my opinion the article doesn't meet the notability criteria for people. Article was speedily deleted, recreated again, nominated as ((db-bio)). Creator, User:WilliamHurd, contested the nomination with this rationale: I have posted a biography of Will Hurd. The reason it was nominated for speedy deletion states that the article is about the person himself, and not his accomplishements. However, the majority of the article talks about his involvement in the Bonfire at Texans A&M University and his courageous work with counterrorism, etc which are all properly cited from newspaper articles and publications. I motion to keep this article. I think we need more opinions here. Vejvančický (talk) 17:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 22:02, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Powhatan-Toney[edit]

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Appears to be a rather... creative article about this guy's family, which does not meet the criteria for a "Tribe" (Initial name was "Powhatan Tribe").

Googling < "Powhatan-Toney" Tribe > turns up about 40 hits, all look to be WP mirrors, other Wikis, or social networking by article's creator. No news hits, no book hits.

I considered speedying, but wanted more eyes on it. See discussion on talk page and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America#Powhatan-Toney - Kathryn NicDhàna 16:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I also searched for references for this group online and in scholarly books about the Southeastern tribes, specifically about the Powhatan Confederacy, and no independent mentions of the "Powhatan-Toney tribe" appear. -Uyvsdi (talk) 17:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Delete - I also searched, and found nothing like a reliable source establishing the existence of such a group. You'd think he'd at least have a website or homepage somewhere for his org., if he is online. The only thing that is anything like verifiable (so far) is the Powhatan-Toney Cemetary. If more refs do turn up, I might reconsider.. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 17:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I've been involved in the scholarly study of Native American groups and languages for over 30 years and have never heard of this group or seen any reference to that name. It seems to be the editor's family history. (Taivo (talk) 17:35, 2 October 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Delete - I am a direct descendant of the Toney family of Toney, Alabama. After I showed my grandfather the article on Toney, Alabama, he disagreed with the claim that the residents of Toney were part Powhatan (that claim was added by the same person who wrote this article). While my grandfather isn't descended from the Toney family himself, he has lived in Toney for many years, and my grandmother (who is descended from the Toney family) was born and raised there. No one in my family has ever mentioned anything about Powhatan relatives, only that we have Cherokee ancestors. If there is a Powhatan-Toney tribe, then it is so obscure that even other descendents of the Toney family don't know about it. Calathan (talk) 17:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clearing that up. In the meantime I searched "Harris Toney", and found this in a newspaper article that mentions him but does not seem to verify anything whatsoever having to do with native peoples. http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/122164297041060.xml&coll=1Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 17:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks from this quarter, too. I'm thinking we need to go through the 'pedia and clean up a bunch of stuff that's been added in relation to this group of articles. - Kathryn NicDhàna 18:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to The Matrix (franchise). (That's the new name of The Matrix (series), apparently.)  Sandstein  05:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Influences and interpretations of The Matrix[edit]

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largely unreferenced, seemingly original research, unencyclopedic fancruft. looks like an essay. Rob Sinden (talk) 14:17, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Salomon Idler[edit]

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not notable, unverified, appears to be trivial Scoop100 (talk) 08:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to AOL#Controversies. Merge at editorial discretion from the history.  Sandstein  06:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Ferrari[edit]

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Notable only for one event, per WP:BLP1E JohnnyB256 (talk) 15:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Xl Notes[edit]

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Non-notable app and sources don't establish notability. Nothing on Google or Google News about it. To paraphrase the author: "This is a new software so it didn't get coverage yet". Laurent (talk) 14:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I agree with deletion. I thought this add-in was notable because I use it extensively and thought it would be interesting to others. Should I resubmit it later, after notable sources appear or this subject is completely unnotable? Qery12 (talk) 06:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It really depends on whether it gets noteworthy coverage by third-party sources; what I meant by my above comment is that this seems unlikely to happen for a Microsoft Office plugin. Certainly as the article is now, those current references don't help establish notability, and nothing I can locate on the 'net appears to support its notability either. If it were to become notable for some reason (software awards, major news pieces, etc.) then I think it would be fine to recreate the article. SMC (talk) 22:00, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knock Out Kaine NW (Talk) 03:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Knock out kaine[edit]

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A duplicate of Knock Out Kaine which is currently being considered for deletion at AfD. CSDA7 declined. Being brought here through the drudgery of process. Other AfD nomination is here. If the two can be brought together in some beautiful union, all the better. Crafty (talk) 13:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shoulda, Woulda, Prada baby. The declining admin ruled that notability was asserted and thus it is. Crafty (talk) 13:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can't. Admin declined speedy on the basis of notability asserted. Crafty (talk) 09:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete, obvious hoaxes are vandalism, and this article's claim that an 8 year old rapper whose public career began in 1999 collaborated with dead Elvis two decades before, is an obvious hoax. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:08, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Midwest[edit]

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Completing IP nomination, deletion rationale on talk page follows:

No indication that the Elvis connection actually exists. Unlikely, given that Tech N9ne 1) was born a mere 8 years before and 2) is in a genre that Elvis never touched. No notable google hits either. 98.248.33.198 (talk) 03:29, 2 October 2009 (UTC) Hairhorn (talk) 11:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy close without result. AfD doesn't consider redirects; redirects for discussion belong here. No prejudice against discussion at RFD. NACS Marshall Talk/Cont 12:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC) [reply]

KLM (Human Computer Interaction)[edit]

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The only link to this r/d page was the disambiguation link of the article about KLM the airline, which can be changed to a direct link to Keystroke-Level Model, making this r/d page totally unneccessary. People seeking information about Keystroke-Level Model are more likely to type in KLM and find the link right at the top of the article about KLM the airline. Hence I'm AfDing it. Blodance (talk) 11:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WoW Gollum[edit]

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Non-notable World of Warcraft private server. [Belinrahs | 'sup? | what'd I do?] 11:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Thanks for your opinion DimitriChaplain and thanks for your comment (anon IP). It may be a nice idea to have it as something to read for younger kids however long stories of lore like that doesn't belong on Wikipedia - the article fails WP:PLOT as it tells nearly the entirety of the fictional lore that was on this private server. It could be rewritten but still it's not notable. [Belinrahs | 'sup? | what'd I do?] 15:40, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep (NAC) Dr. Meh 23:48, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bonus round[edit]

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Article is full of original research and contains no references. The article is not inclusive of all aspects of a "bonus round" and the topic does not specifically need its own article since all game show-related articles describe bonus rounds specific to that show within their own articles. Sottolacqua (talk) 12:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, this article does not meet the criteria for notability. Sottolacqua (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update — Well, I've added a couple of sources. I did remove some statements I viewed as original research, kept some explanatory statements and placed inline citations. By all means, this is not a complete revision as I see it, but its a start to making this a more noteworthy article. Again, failing a keep verdict, I'd suggest merging it with a redirect, and then putting the concepts in the main game show article. [[Briguy52748 (talk) 12:39, 24 September 2009 (UTC)]][reply]

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  • I have been involved in brokering competing camps on the Quiz bowl article. You cannot imagine how many articles deal with the concept of bonus rounds, so that's why I think a separate article is worthwhile organizationally. --Milowent (talk) 15:32, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conrad Hughes Hilton III[edit]

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Delete Non-notable. Tylorjohnson111 (talk) 11:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was WP:SNOW redirect to Moon landing conspiracy theories, and, by that, I think it's clear that this would've been turned into a redirect. Any admin who wants to may scrub the history.. (non-admin closure) Sceptre (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moon landing hoax accusations[edit]

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Unencyclopedic mish-mash of WP:OR and personal opinion. Crafty (talk) 08:52, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Polarion Software[edit]

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This article by a WP:SPA reads as advertorial and the references do not actually support the notability of the subject, only generic text about its markets. The only information actually about the company is self-sourced. Guy (Help!) 08:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Polarion ALM[edit]

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Non-notable software product. Haakon (talk) 07:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Jacovidou[edit]

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She has participated in some music contests but this is not enough to make her notable. Almost no coverage in Sweden's biggest newspapers such as DN, SvD, Aftonbladet and Expressen (I only found this [18]), only in some local newspapers. This has been proposed for deletion in sv-wp sv:Wikipedia:Sidor föreslagna för radering/Alexandra Jacovidou. The crucial issue there has been whether her participating in the Turkish Cesme Song Contest makes her notable, which some claim it does. Cesme Song Contest doesn't seem to be a very important contest and has no article in Wikipedia, but one article claim it has 60 million viewer which I think is a fake number. 60 million would be more viewers than what American Idol has and in addition Turkey has only got 71.5 million inhabitants. Still if it's true this wouldn't make her notable in my opinion (we don't have articles on every participant in American Idol for example). My immmortal (talk) 06:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Blatant spam/advertising: G11 NW (Talk) 01:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perkpipe[edit]

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A non-notable company that should be Speedy deleted; however, author and sockpuppet continue to removed CSD and maintenance tags form article. Company lacks GHits and GNEWS to support article. Fails WP:COMPANY. ttonyb (talk) 05:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transaction mechanism[edit]

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Apparent neologism, based on a single conference paper (here). Not a term of use in economics. Article creator was asked to discuss, but didn't respond. I thought perhaps the article could be saved as a computer science reference, but that discussion didn't pick up. CRETOG8(t/c) 05:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted.  Skomorokh, barbarian  09:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lihn's law[edit]

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Appears to be neologism, based on a single, recent, unpublished working paper (here). The paper itself does not appear to use the term "Lihn's law", and a Google search and a Google Scholar search don't turn up anything except Wikipedia. CRETOG8(t/c) 03:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about this. I did not know that I am writing this article for encyclopedia quality. I just thought the existing network effect laws are very flawed (pretty wrong) and the community should know that there is a different power law based on solid stochastic calculus. Anyway, if you guys don't like it, feel free to delete it. No argument about it. I don't make a living off writing papers. -- SteveLihn —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevelihn (talkcontribs) 23:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to the name of the power law, people are using the discover's last name to call the law. Otherwise, how else should it be called? "N^3/2 power law"? Anyway, again feel free to delete it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevelihn (talkcontribs) 23:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 18:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

James Homer Elledge[edit]

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Fails WP:BLP1E. Being executed does not show automatic notability. Joe Chill (talk) 21:15, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. MuZemike 23:22, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Thompson (musician)[edit]

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no real notability shown. releases and airplay not good enough for wp:music, lacks independent reliable sources (Full Effect Magazine is dead and there is no evidence it is reliable). restored prod deletion. Duffbeerforme (talk) 17:15, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:05, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Dutton (composer)[edit]

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Notability is in question Jrod2 (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • comments: The original editor Bernard23129 who left the comments above just contacted me with this IP address 212.56.88.111 (UK). Nothing wrong with one writing about oneself and creating a personal article at Wikipedia, but what other contributors have to decide is if self-publishing and a few Discogs credits are sufficient proof of notability. Jrod2 (talk) 17:45, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He was a member of the band The Apostles (Acid Jazz), has written several books and has been credited on TV soundtracks. I have added a list of books to the article and adjusted the references to support the text. Cjc13 (talk) 13:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Delete. IF the subject can prove with an interview (with a reputable magazine or online music site} or a top BillBoard ranking composition, a Grammy nomination {is there one for The Apostles (Acid Jazz)?) or a publishing award {because the subject is also a writer) then I don't see the point in keeping this article at all. If WP is to list anyone and everyone who has written a book and or wrote a song, play music with friends, taught music at elementary or high school, etc, etc, then this would be a very pretty non-encyclopedic site. Jrod2 (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC) Note: Jrod2 is the nominator --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He has released an album under the name The Apostles which has been reissued in 2008, his books are published by established publishers and he has written scores for TV in both the UK and USA, so he clearly is not a trivial performer/writer. Cjc13 (talk) 09:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • comments: Does anybody know the notability requirement for a loose-leaf/paperback writer? Also the band "The Apostles" is under AfD because of the same issues under WP:N. I don't see any nominations or top charting records either. I am not really "deletionist" but I would like to see at least one mediocre article written about this subject by a reputable journalist of a major publication. Since the editors feel that this person is a subject of relevance in the arts they shouldn't have a problem finding sources. Jrod2 (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

European Council on International Relations[edit]

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A dozen Google hits; zero discussion in outside sources. Not notable, even if they claim that "among the contributor`s of EUCIR is also Fidel Castro, former president of Cuba" (as if that's something to brag about, but never mind now). Biruitorul Talk 03:53, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The key here is not whether the organisation exists, or what it's done, but whether it's recognised by independent neutral sources as having done it, and whether those sources go on to indicate the organisation is considered notable by its peers or by some significant community somewhere. The article doesn't provide any references that would let us say that such recognition exists, so delete. - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


A lot of yahoo hits.

"Although using a search engine like Google can be useful in determining how common or well-known a particular topic is, a large number of hits on a search engine is no guarantee that the subject is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Similarly, a lack of search engine hits may only indicate that the topic is highly specialized or not generally sourceable via the internet. One would not expect to find thousands of hits on an ancient Estonian god. The search-engine test may, however, be useful as a negative test of popular culture topics which one would expect to see sourced via the Internet. A search on an alleged "Internet meme" that returns only one or two distinct sources is a reasonable indication that the topic is not as notable as has been claimed.

Overall, the quality of the search engine results matters more than the raw number."

For the recognition of the organization, given the level and the accompliishments of its members - see ECFR Council seems quite well recognized.

Don't delete.

Put that in quotes, and Yahoo gives 7 hits. Still pretty unimpressive. - Biruitorul Talk 23:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MuZemike 23:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Scott (journalist)[edit]

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Doesn't satisfy the criteria detailed at WP:CREATIVE (which includes journalists), hasn't been widely cited by peers or successors, no new concepts/techniques/major roles/critical attention or significant contributions. Additionally, the article reads like a resume, and needs a fundamental rewrite (not much to salvage). ƒ(Δ)² 08:04, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I found a list of ITN journalists, mostly created by people with potential conflicts of interest, and nearly all written in a resume/POV style. I left about 50% of them (those that had a decent claim to notability). The ones I nominated, however, have absolutely no claim to notability. You say Steve Scott is a household name. He has no reliable sources covering him. I don't live in the UK either, so I can't judge how well known he is unless sources are provided. He may, of course, be notable. I've tried searching for sources, but I've found none. Though if you can find sources then it's perfectly possible to salvage the article. (He should satisfy WP:CREATIVE if his claim to notability is as a journalist, else WP:N). PS Why don't you log in? =P ƒ(Δ)² 10:30, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh hold on. I know who you are. I found out. =D You can post from your account you know. It doesn't really matter much. ƒ(Δ)² 10:33, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is very frustrating, to say the least. The first link is not a reliable source. The second one has a picture of him dancing with some female news reader in some fund raising event. Third is an interview by a regional newspaper where he talks about the World Cup. Do you think that makes him notable? Do you propose to write an article from that one interview, and one picture of him dancing? How do you intend to make it verifiable? How do you intend to make sure he is notable? This AfD seems to be headed on the obvious course. (Bunch of people save it, saying he's notable. No one rewrites it, because there are no sources to rewrite it with. I remove all the unsourced claims on the article, stub it, and then re-AfD it.) ƒ(Δ)² 05:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did say "Significant Web coverage not easy to come by", and I'm not putting those forward as reliable sources, but there are still only five major national TV channels in the UK, and this man has regularly presented programmes on these channels to millions of viewers for several years. The article can be reduced to a stub if WP:V is an issue (it shouldn't be - most of the content is verifiable even if it's not easy to find significant coverage), but someone as well-known as him should have an article.--Michig (talk) 06:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The coverage doesn't have to be with web sources. It can be with offline content too. But there has to be some sort of coverage. ƒ(Δ)² 06:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This verifies that he presented 141 live football matches on Channel 5. Coverage found here. This verifies that he was ITN's Africa correspondent, this verifies that he was Channel 5's main live sports presenter for 4 years, and there's this from Western Daily Press. So where's the issue with WP:V?--Michig (talk) 06:37, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) None establish notability. Presenting 141 football matches, for example, and being an African correspondent doesn't satisfy notability either. I get the feeling you haven't read WP:CREATIVE, as the links you're pointing out are totally irrelevant. ƒ(Δ)² 09:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These links are not at all irrelevant as one of your concerns was verifiability and these adequately address WP:V. Perhaps you could try assuming good faith - WP:CREATIVE is a guideline only and yes I have read it, thanks. The fact that Steve Scott is more famous than many journalists who would pass WP:CREATIVE means that he is notable.--Michig (talk) 10:38, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not relative. I agree WP:CREATIVE is only a guideline, but so is WP:N, WP:(whatever), they all are guidelines. Notability is hard to judge by word of mouth. Just saying he's famous is not going to cut it. You're going to have to prove it. And please, do so through policy. IAR does not apply here. ƒ(Δ)² 11:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually WP:V is a policy, not a guideline, as is WP:IAR. I can't imagine any television presenter who has presented thousands of national UK prime time terrestrial TV programmes not being notable enough for an article here, whether or not we have a specific guideline that spells that out, but you're entitled to your opinion. Let's see what others think, as it seems like neither of us is going to change the other's mind on this.--Michig (talk) 11:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. ƒ(Δ)² 11:32, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Although AfD is not cleanup, cleanup has now been done, rendering the nomination largely moot.  Sandstein  05:56, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology of the expedition of Alexander the Great into Asia[edit]

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I think this is wholly redundant to Wars of Alexander the Great. I know AfD is "not for cleanup", but it's worth noting that the article is completely unsourced and lacks basic formatting. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 11:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Its not wholly redundant because it a useful formatting of information, though it would look much nicer in some type of table, see, e.g., Caesar's_Civil_War#Chronology - not sure how common it is to have separate chronology articles, though. --Milowent (talk) 20:16, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I doubt the dates are an original synthesis, because there are ancient resources and scholarly writings about where Alexander and his troops were at any one time, e.g. ,[20], [21] For all we know, this chronology was lifted from one of those sources. A chronology for this kind of expedition is a good idea (which is why books on alexander have them), the question is whether this one is so poor that we should delete it? That seems wrong. --Milowent (talk) 13:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to regret this, but if consensus is to delete, i'd request userification so I can fix it up and probably insert into some other Alexander article. --Milowent (talk) 13:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy You know, I think it's a great idea to try to increase the knowledge that we have of ancient history. And while the "citations and footnotes are boring" approach is okay for, say, an article about last week's episode of The Simpsons, there's no place for that in an encyclopedia article about Alexander the Great. I don't think you'll regret asking this to be userfied. Even if it took you only a minute or two to cite the two sources above, you spent more time on that then the author did. Mandsford (talk) 21:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 13:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of artists who reached number one on the U.S. Rock Charts[edit]

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This is a Billboard magazine chart that is literally only several weeks old. There is hardly enough information here to justify a separate list (as of this writing I see a grand total of three items). Article's title is also incorrect (plural "Charts" is wrong, there is only one "Rock Songs" chart). - eo (talk) 12:07, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy delete as G11. Another admin may have considered this a slight borderline case. I decided to delete because upon reading through, really, the entire tone of the article was quite promotional and meant solely for that purpose; and given that there was also no evidence of notability through Google searches (per comments in this AfD), the topic itself was not worth retrieving. For the record, if there was potential notability, I would likely have stubified/rewritten the article. JamieS93 04:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PLNet[edit]

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Overtly promotional entry about an organisation (bordering on CSD G12) operating within one Canadian province - clearly failing the inclusion guideline for organisations that requires (for non-profits) "[t]he scope of their activities is national or international in scale." I can find no in-depth coverage of the organisation online, most ghits don't refer to this organisation at all: the subject fails the general notability guideline too. The article has no references, merely links to their website, followed by the telephone number of the director (who is the editor who created the article, a clear conflict of interest and the reason for the article's promotional nature) and a "helpdesk" number. – Toon 14:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

IChill Relaxation Shot[edit]

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Nonnotable energy drink product -- mentioned in passing in a couple of news articles, but nothing here that really indicates any notability. Prod tag removed w/o explanation. NawlinWiki (talk) 21:27, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Notable b/c one of first relaxation products introduced in 2 oz shot form, early market entrant Njmaki (talk) 21:42, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Armenian Schools worldwide[edit]

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The vast majority of these aren't notable, as seen by the external links. The rest have their own relevant categories (Category:Universities in Armenia, Category:Armenian-American private schools, etc). Biruitorul Talk 18:17, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - lists do not undertake detailed analysis; that is the role of an article. If you wish to dispose of all`lists then please make a policy proposal but, pending a change of policy, that is not a deletion reason. Lists and categories have complimentary, but different, roles. For example,the red links serve a useful role in identifying the need for article creation. 149.254.218.87 (talk) 14:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • They can and do overlap, but there are certain cases where we may have a list and not a category on a topic, and other cases where we may have a category and not a list. They do not mirror each other, if they would the difference between the two would be pointless. ThemFromSpace 19:45, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MuZemike 23:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Price Middle School[edit]

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Non-notable middle school Tad Lincoln (talk) 21:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete WP:CSD#A7 and WP:NFT. Guy (Help!) 08:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable (possible hoax) group of gathering men. Damiens.rf 03:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 03:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Knock Out Kaine[edit]

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A non-notable, unsigned band. Fails WP:MUSIC. Deleted twice today via CSDA7 but the author insists on re-creating it. Crafty (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. He's been repeatedly removing the CSDA7 tag from that article as well. I've issued him with a final warning about it. Crafty (talk) 13:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But he couldn't have removed the CSDA7 tag again... his edit summary said "spelling error." An IP editor wouldn't lie, would they? :-) The Real Libs-speak politely 13:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bugger him. Reported to AIV for vandalism following final warning. Crafty (talk) 13:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Add account User:Johnny123-987‎ to your report... sockpuppets begone. The Real Libs-speak politely 13:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
SPI request filed. Crafty (talk) 13:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 21:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Demodoxalogy[edit]

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Meaning the study of public opinion. I think it is undeniable that as English word this is a neologism. It would of course be easy to move the article and change it to a description of the Società Italiana Di Demodoxalogia (Italian Society of Demodoxalogy) but in that case we run into the question of notability. There are no independent references and it:Demodoxalogia does not seem much better. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 02:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat here what already inserted in the discussion of voice: I do not know if you have already read:

i am not an expert on wikipedia and i do not express very well in english, so i hope not to have done something wrong in the procedure: i removed the proposed deletion and here i explain the reasons, ok? so, 'Demodoxalogy' is not a neologism: currently is not reported correctly in dictionaries because of the historical facts about the discipline, but it is used since 1940 (in italian, english, french...) as reported by F. A. Perini-Bembo, an early and leading experts in these studies, in the congress of the prestiogious SIPS Italian Society for the Advancement of Science in 1954. should be precisely one of the greatest interest of the encyclopaedia in the subject! Demodoxalogy is a little known approach to the study of public opinion (journalism and information...) for these reasons: it begins to be defined in 1928, at the time of the fascism in italy, and is developed in Italy and not in USA (center of communication studies). In a document of UNESCO (1954), the 'Center of demodossalogia' (Public Opinion Centre) at University of Rome 'Sapienza' is mentioned among the leading institutions in Italy and Europe for training of journalists. SIDD (italian association of demodoxalogy) is currently the only nonprofit organization (little but notable) that brings together scholars and takes care of the recent renewed interest in demodoxalogy.Br1z in conclusion: I just have shown at the Wikipedia community that there would be this article to translate into english, if i'm wrong, sorry!Br1z (talk) 08:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Parodies of Harry Potter[edit]

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This has snowballed from "detailed, sourced description of notable HP parodies" to "Big, indiscriminate list with no criteria for inclusion and far too many primary sources." There is absolutely no criterion for what constitutes a notable HP parody, nor is there any effort to try and trim this sprawling list. My main concern is the indiscriminate nature of it all; while some parodies can be viewed as authentic commentary on the series (e.g. the Michael Gerber book), such parodies constitute maybe 10% of this list and could easily be shuffled off elsewhere without such a monstrosity of a list. Previous AFD here resulted in no consensus. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 01:22, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Harry Potter Doc Quintana (talk) 03:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Surely you don't mean merge the whole thing. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 03:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Surely I do. Doc Quintana (talk) 04:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not merge an indiscriminating list including heaps of nonnotable junk besides some more notable parodies into an article about the subject of the parodies. Edison (talk) 21:51, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If it's not discriminating enough, you can always fix it. I do not feel strongly enough about this article to do more than comment about it at an afd. Doc Quintana (talk) 04:26, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I prune it, the slobbering fanboys will just build it up again and we'll be stuck in this loop forever. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many ottersOne batOne hammer) 17:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the contrary, I think restarting this loop makes no sense given the consensus in favor for the article. Doc Quintana (talk) 18:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It could be edited to remove unreferenced stuff made up in school one day. It could be semiprotected, which would keep at least IP and brand new editors from adding inappropriate content. Edison (talk) 21:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. JForget 21:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mastiksoul[edit]

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Although an article of "Mastiksoul" also appears on the French Wikipedia (fr:Mastiksoul), I wasn't able to find any references that show he meets the notability criteria for musicians. Cheers, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 22:57, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 03:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Hex Bombs[edit]

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Junk band article, fails WP:BAND. Only thing that they boast is a handful of albums and a battle of the bands competition (not notable in itself, see WP:GARAGE). Ipatrol (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:01, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

University of Sydney Media Society[edit]

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I searched by every permutation of Sydney University and University of Sydney I could, as well as by the two clubs that merged in 2004 (when this article was created) to create this apparently non-notable student club, and found nothing to suggest notability. It seems to have gone through an old VfD in 2005 with the result of no consensus. Its websites as listed seem to be down, but they have a Facebook page. Abductive (reasoning) 21:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kung-Fu Killers: Top 10 weapons of kung-fu[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this documentary. Joe Chill (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. Listed for 14 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator but not enough participation to determine consensus. the issue of merging can be discussed on the article's talk page or someone can be BOLD and just do it. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester University Music Society[edit]

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I can't find any reviews, albums or anything else to establish notability for this student club. I tried searching by "Manchester University" "Music Society" and University of Manchester Music Society and found nothing. Deprodded. Abductive (reasoning) 20:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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Merge with either University_of_Manchester#Clubs_and_societies or University_of_Manchester_Students'_Union#Societies. Will need severe cropping, but the refs available should be sufficient to support a few lines about this society. --Derek Andrews (talk) 11:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are no refs. It has only 38 Google hits as Manchester University Music Society and 15 Google hits by University of Manchester Music Society. Abductive (reasoning) 18:22, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Upload Robots[edit]

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Delete Non-notable website. Syruso (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. Listed for 13 days with no participation aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gnarwl[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 19:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 05:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strap trap[edit]

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No references to establish notability. Originator probably WP:COI Derek Andrews (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bella McFarland[edit]

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Non-notable author lacking any GNEWS and with no GHITS of substance. Appears to fails WP:BIO. ttonyb (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

300 Bars and Runnin'[edit]

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Delete. A non-charting song that fails WP:NSONGS. No reliable sources to prove notability.I can see an influx of angry fans on the horizon, so I'd like to remind the closing admin that this is a discussion, not a majority vote. Dale 11:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to hip-hop feud. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

G-Unit vs. The Game feud[edit]

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Delete. An article on a zelebrity feud. The article is largley unsourced and what is sourced is citing dead links, blogs, YouTube, forums and fansites - this fails WP:RS. There are also WP:N concerns; the argument does not appear to have a long-term affect and does every celebrity spat deserve its own article? If there is any notable infomation, it could be mentioned in The Game (rapper) and G-Unit. I can see an influx of angry fans on the horizon, so I'd like to remind the closing admin that this is a discussion, not a majority vote. Dale 11:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. — Jake Wartenberg 02:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yll Hoxha[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. All refs are passing mentions at best. Contested PROD. Spiderone 08:36, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The player being professional is irrelevant in terms of WP:ATHLETE and playing for "one of the best clubs in Finland" is equally useless in this case. Spiderone 17:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it is useless. Being a professional is more notable than being in the club with youth contract, and playing in one of the best clubs is also no-useless because the top clubs play in the European international club competitions which are more notable. --SM (talk) 21:44, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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This is still up for debate Spiderone 20:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Saying the league is "notable top-level" is POV. Also, just because the league is "notable" doesn't mean that the players are. Notability for clubs and leagues are generally more lenient. For example, Sutton United is a notable club in a notable league but none of the players are worthy of a page. I would be willing to settle for a redirect if anyone can agree. Spiderone 08:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But the club or the league is irrelevant as neither is fully-pro. The player himself doesn't seem to be notable as there are only passing mentions and the usual bog-standard player profiles that any player could get. Spiderone 07:16, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete due to the WP:ATHLETE failure (if an editor has proof that the Finnish league is actually fully professional, let me know and I'll restore). пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jari Sara[edit]

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Contested PROD. Sara appears to fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG Spiderone 08:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But he does though! - he hasn't played in a fully-pro league, and he hasn't reveived significant coverage! GiantSnowman 15:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why not add these links to the article and improve it? Listing links on an AfD isn't the same as those same links being put on an article to improve it and prove notability. GiantSnowman 08:19, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The player being professional is irrelevant since the league isn't. The source isn't enough I feel as WP:GNG states: "The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. Multiple sources are generally preferred." since I question the quality and the reliability of the source. Spiderone 08:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - the player being professional is all that matters. Where does WP:ATH even mention League. The guy is a fully professional football player. End of debate. Pro golfers/tennis players etc regularly compete with amateurs in Open competitions. Amateur teams compete in the FA Cup - does that make Ryan Giggs non-notable?DavidDublin (talk) 12:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete due to the WP:ATHLETE failure (if an editor has proof that the Finnish league is actually fully professional, let me know and I'll restore). пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Fellman[edit]

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Contested PROD. Fellman hasn't achieved anything notable enough to pass WP:GNG and fails WP:ATHLETE for playing in a semi-pro league Spiderone 08:24, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - The Finnish league isn't fully professional Spiderone 06:40, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment- You're confusing "highest level" with "professional football". The Veikkausliiga isn't fully pro. Spiderone 08:44, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - It is a professional league and a member of the EPFL (European Professional Football Leagues)[30]. ,,n (talk) 12:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That means absolutely nothing. The Welsh and Irish Premier Leagues are on there too and neither of those are professional. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. I don't see how this athlete passes WP:GNG either since there are no sources that give him more than a passing mention. Spiderone 12:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What makes this league more notable than any other semi-pro league? This player has received about as much media coverage as a Conference South player so I don't see which notability guideline this player passes. Spiderone 07:18, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Because he is getting paid. How can Wimbledon be a professional tournament when non-professional players play in it. How can the Irish Golf Open be a professional tournament when non-professional players play in it. If this guy is getting paid then he is a professional football player, i.e. his "level" is professional. End of debate. DavidDublin (talk) 13:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So any player who is paid money by his club would satisfy WP:ATHLETE, right down to the level of guys in the Kent League who get about £50 a week retainer? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No. They would be part time as opposed to fully professional. The Finnish League is the top 30 in Europe. Their top team has competed in the European Champions League Group Stages, the biggest club competition in the world. And the best you can do is compare this to the Kent League ?? DavidDublin (talk) 14:08, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete due to the WP:ATHLETE failure (if an editor has proof that the Finnish league is actually fully professional, let me know and I'll restore). пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mika Hilander[edit]

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PROD removed. I think this [31] was the closest he got to being notable Spiderone 08:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But he does though! - he hasn't played in a fully-pro league, and he hasn't reveived significant coverage! GiantSnowman 15:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment- You're confusing "highest level" with "professional football". The Veikkausliiga isn't fully pro. Spiderone 08:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - No citations is a reason to clean up the article, not to delete it. The inter toto cup was not an amateur competition.DavidDublin (talk) 12:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete due to the WP:ATHLETE failure (if an editor has proof that the Finnish league is actually fully professional, let me know and I'll restore). пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Petri Lindberg[edit]

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PROD removed. Even if he has played at the highest level in Finland he still doesn't pass WP:ATH Spiderone 08:07, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But he does though! - he hasn't played in a fully-pro league, and he hasn't reveived significant coverage! GiantSnowman 15:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment- If playing in the top league is enough then we're going to have people from the highest level of Vatican City and Djibouti on here. Spiderone 06:42, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment- Why does Wikipedia need more unsourced stubs? Spiderone 07:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Miyagi (blogger)[edit]

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fails WP:BIO, I'm unconvinced by the last AfD, 3 years have now passed to give him a chance to get more coverage. simply being a blogger for a newspaper does not automatically grant notability. can't find much coverage of him [32] except [33]. LibStar (talk) 07:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete due to the WP:ATHLETE failure (if an editor has proof that the Finnish league is actually fully professional, let me know and I'll restore). пﮟოьεԻ 57 14:14, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Kaijalainen[edit]

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PROD removed. This player appears to fail WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG despite apparently being professional himself. Spiderone 07:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But he does though! - he hasn't played in a fully-pro league, and he hasn't reveived significant coverage! GiantSnowman 15:30, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why not add these links to the article and improve it? Listing links on an AfD isn't the same as those same links being put on an article to improve it and prove notability. GiantSnowman 08:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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No he fails as the league isn't fully pro until a source says it is Spiderone 21:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Web profiles often go down as trivial mentions as you don't have to be notable or even to have made an appearance to receive one. I believe the WP:GNG guidelines say that they must have more than just passing mentions and run-of-the-mill stuff. Spiderone 07:23, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't a passing mention - it's a profile of him. Eldumpo (talk) 22:00, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but any Joe Bloggs can have a profile about themselves Spiderone 07:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to KDE. No consensus to delete. No prejudice against keeping as a standalone article if someone wants to expand it and add references that show it's notable on its own. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ThreadWeaver[edit]

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I'm not particularly sure about this one, but basically every source I can find only mentions that it's in KDE to help deal with multicore processors and nothing more. I'm not sure if it's notable enough unless the notability is inherited from its inclusion with KDE 4. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:34, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. Cirt (talk) 18:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis Walker[edit]

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Son of a highly notable figure (Oodgeroo Noonuccal) but no clear notability in own right. Claims to have co-founded the Aboriginal Tent Embassy but the WP article does not mention him. First media reference only mentions that he assisted his mother on occasion. Second media reference indicates he co-organised a protest in 1971. Could not find anything else. Manning (talk) 04:55, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was deleted (CSD A9) by Y. NAC. Cliff smith talk 07:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moo york[edit]

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not notable - an article about a 10 second clip on a particular show is not relevant - at most it merits a sentence in the Chris Moyles article noq (talk) 00:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. NW (Talk) 05:31, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Rahimzadeh[edit]

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fails WP:BIO and WP:SCHOLAR. nothing in gnews and not much in gscholar [38]. LibStar (talk) 01:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was no consensus. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Metcalf[edit]

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fails WP:AUTHOR (particularly criteria 1 and 4), found very limited coverage of this author such as [39] and [40] but not much else. simply winning 1 not well known award (it's not a national award) doesn't grant automatic notability. LibStar (talk) 00:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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