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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 05:36, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Visionaire (software)[edit]

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Article does not assess its notability. External links consist of games made with the software, none notable enough to have their own article either. Also written like an ad. NOTE: Article has been deleted before for G11 (Blatant advertising). Admrboltz (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. google searches are an inadequate way of establishing notability. Specific references would be required to rebut the delete arguments successfully. Spartaz Humbug! 21:53, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TestLink[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for thsi software. Joe Chill (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is uncommon for open source software to have books written about it, so some other measures are needed. Some suggestions (which might fit some but not all of the software articles currently in WP) are:

Please feel free to add to this list.
To conclude, I believe TestLink meets at least 2 of the above criteria, placing it on a level footing with many products that have WP articles, such as Bugzilla. Downsize43 (talk) 12:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - this is great open source software we use on real projects, it's comparable to Test Director, only it's free and the market share of the tool is growing very fast, in the future more and more companies will switch to TestLink. Does it deserve to be in Wikipedia? For sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaserm (talk • contribs) 15:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

X-Men: Evolution merchandise releases[edit]

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Violates WP:SPAM; WP:NOT; article should redirect to X-Men: Evolution, but was denied by original poster. mhking (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of well written articles about Marvel toys. See Wikipedia:Notability (toys and games) for toyline notability.

"The toy or game represents a significant milestone in the development of toys or games, or has demonstrated some form of historical, cultural, or technical significance, or has had a major impact on culture or pop-culture, as referenced through a notable documentary or retrospective. [7] This criterion includes the first game to use a game mechanic which was later widely adopted; the first to be published in a certain way, for example online or print-on-demand; or which is otherwise described as a significant milestone by multiple reliable sources. " The Burger King line was the first to be published with the inclusion of a mini cd-rom. Which would make it notable via the "first to be published in a certain way" clause.


List of works doesn't have Toy or DVD information. If you have a link as to the style of writing for such a list feel free to link to it so the article can be updated to it. 74.47.108.87 (talk) 00:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Flying Snooker[edit]

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Unreferenced article on a (quick-play) variation on the game of snooker that fails to demonstrate any notability. "How to Play" section removed, but what remains is still primarily about the actual game itself rather than its history, impact etc. Delete. I42 (talk) 22:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"How to Play" section since replaced. I42 (talk) 12:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this deletion. I'm not sure why this isn't any more notable than other variants of other sports. It is an interesting variation of a popular sport which is clearly played in a number of regions. If I were a snooker player and not aware of this variation I would find the article very informative.

As a compromise perhaps the main snooker article should have a similar section to the darts article where some variants are described fairly briefly whilst others have a distinct page. glynandtess —Preceding undated comment added 20:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

The main objection is that there is no indication of notability and no evidence anything is true in the article. Plus, WP criteria explicitly state game guides do not belong here. WP is not a repository for everything and anything, and being interesting is explicitly not, of itself, reason for inclusion. I42 (talk) 22:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm an amateur snooker player from Staffordshire, and have played this variant of snooker, so it's certainly a widespread, if little known, game. I would be surprised if people who are not snooker players have heard of it. I certainly haven't heard of the variants of other sports and games, those which I don't play, and yet many appear on Wikipedia. There is very little information about it elsewhere on the web, and therefore it's inclusion on Wikipedia acts as a informant to people not in the know. Hopefully someone who knows something of it's history (sadly I don't) will come on here and add to the article - after all, that's what Wikipedia is all about. If the article is deleted, that can't happen... Keep. Chingwakabungya (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:19, 7 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

That is absolutely not what WP is all about - see WP:OR. All WP content must be backed up by published material in reliable sources; the snooker historians should not come here first. I42 (talk) 22:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I support the proposal for deletion. It is a "variant" that someone has dreamt up and has no credibility. I've never heard of it in more than 25 years close involvement with snooker as player and administrator. bigpad (talk) 19:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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This article is a nonsense really, Mr Administrator; one or two people are supporting its retention when there is no justification for it, as I have explained above. It is *not widespread: I have never heard of it. What is to stop me creating a new "variant" of snooker, let's call it "Staffordshire snooker", with 14 reds instead of 15, and to claim that it's commonplace in Belfast? Let's get real here! Regards to all. bigpad (talk) 13:32, 16 September 2009 (UTC) DELETE NOW[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 14:04, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pancomputationalism[edit]

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Article title seems to be a neologism(WP:NEO). Hardly any references support the assertion that this view is called "pancomputationalism". There's an impressive list of references and external links, almost none of which support the name "pancomputationalism". Google gives very few non-wikipedia hits for the term. Moreover, the entire article is written by User:Gordanadodig, who seems to be one of the authors of a reference listed in the article, thus this might fall under WP:COI (this being pretty much the only article the user has edited on WP). Almost all the google hits on page 1 for "paninformationalism" seem to be about a talk given by Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic, who is possibly User:Gordanadodig. Finally, it seems to be describing the same concept as described in Digital physics. I think redirection to Digital physics might also be a reasonable alternative to deletion. Robin (talk) 21:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with a merge/redirect with digital physics. 1Z (talk) 09:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LogMX[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 19:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 14:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shai Bernstein[edit]

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I contested speedy because I can't say that it's a blatant hoax. However, I was unable to find any sources regarding this person on Gnews, Gbooks, or Gscholar. Tim Song (talk) 18:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: and most related Ghits I found are WP mirrors. I say "most" because I didn't check all of the Ghits. Tim Song (talk) 01:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
..Not too surprising, considering the fact that it is a complete hoax. Aviados (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The name is not a russian-jewish (or russian or ukrainian at all) name but more of a modern Israeli name (some people were called Shay - but not russians). He was supposedly killed in a terror attack while touring to the Golan Heights in 1949 - that is, when it was under Syria control, just 2 months after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Were there buses going from Israel to the Golan at that time? A reference is quoting Yedioth Ahronoth is dated to 1935 while the paper started out only in 1939. The reference about his death is quoting Jerusalem Post on September 5th, while the date of his death according to the article is November 20th, unless the Jerusalem Post started dating by OS in 1949. Also - conflicting messages about immigrating to Israel - was it an Aliyah or an exile? How did the NKVD operated in British Mandate era Palestine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.179.103.177 (talk) 20:42, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete: WP:SNOW. An apparent hoax. Aviados (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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School Zone: Awards & Accolades Archives ... Keila E. Fong, Sarah C. Hartzell, Michael H. Miller, Blake A. Niccum, Donald W. Ross, .... Lindsey E. Smith, Shawn P. Reddy and Shai Bernstein. ... blogs.chron.com/schoolzone/awards_accolades/ - Cached - Similar

Looks like it was kids having fun who wrote this article. S. M. Sullivan (talk) 02:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Shouldn't this go on the page listing the longest wikipedia hoaxes? It was up for several years. 209.184.165.20 (talk) 01:36, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. A full two years, to be precise.
Indeed
I am sorry but I felt that Indeed was the only relevant thing in your paragraph. The rest was very personal information that should only be shared with people that person trusts. Information such as where he goes to school and a link to his Facebook page are not relevant to the deletion of this hoax.
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The result was redirect to Zoids. Cirt (talk) 04:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zoids 2 - Prerelease[edit]

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This is a trivial list of toys that does not assert notability. TTN (talk) 18:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 14:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fatjon Muhameti[edit]

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Plays for a second division Albanian team and has apparently made one league appearance in his career. Spiderone 17:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 14:07, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Get Into The Market Oscillator (GITMO)[edit]

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fails WP:N. A theory posted at the blog of the creator is not notable without reliable, third-party sources discussing the subject in detail. Since there are no such sources, it should be deleted. Ironholds (talk) 15:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


This contribution cites the original publication of the GITMO oscillators at Seeking Alpha. The contribution is not about theory, but rather an applied real-world stock market ("equity market") technical indicator whose background is introduced, methods of calculation and parameter description are provided, along with observed computational results from applying the indicators to empirical data for the Standard & Poors price return index. Several citations are provided, with external links.

There really is no problem with the contribution in terms of the accuracy of the background information, soundness of mathematical approach, results provided (4 images), and accompanying interpretation. Significant effort was devoted to development of the empirical results provided in the contribution, which probably does not warrant deletion. If anything, wait a while to see what the growth in hits is.

You need to show how the subject matter passes WP:N, as my nomination makes clear. "how many hits the article gets" is not a claim to notability. Ironholds (talk) 18:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for guidance on notability. Regarding the original source, articles considered by Editors at Seeking Alpha are first submitted as an Instablog, hence the "blog" entry you referred to. Within several days, the original source will likely no longer be a blog, but rather an article focusing on economic issues.

Again, very interesting, but not something that passes our inclusion guidelines. If you want the article to be kept, you need to demonstrate that it passes. Ironholds (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 14:09, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maxlab Entertainments[edit]

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fails WP:CORP. spam like article. hardly any third party coverage [4]. LibStar (talk) 14:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Check[edit]

Now please check if there is any problems in the article. Saj2009 (talk) 19:24, 14 Sep 2009

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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Jetty Journals[edit]

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This is a non-notable, self-published e-book with no assertion of notability. AniMatedraw 14:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. notability requires actual reliable sourcing and since these are evidently absent the delete arguments are the more policy based Spartaz Humbug! 21:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Jackie North[edit]

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fails WP:N. Radio stations with licenses are normally considered notable by default, but pirate stations are not. Ironholds (talk) 14:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no difference in notability between licensed and pirate radio stations. All there is is an assumption that licensed stations have at least one implied WP:RS to support their claim of notability. A pirate station that is otherwise notable (i.e. it is discussed in sources, according to the usual WP policies) is still notable, despite being unlicensed. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually no. General consensus is that licensed radio stations should be considered notable by default, assuming they're not pokey local things. Note that my statement did not say that Pirate Radio stations are never notable, simply that they are not considered notable by default. Your edit summary, "Nom's assertion that pirate stations are not notable is not supported by policy" is correct, but then nothing notability-related is policy-based. Have a read of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes, particularly "Licensed radio and TV stations are notable if they broadcast over the air and originate at least a portion of their programming schedule in their own studios. Lower power radio stations limited to a small neighborhood, such as Part 15 operations in the United States or stations with a VF# callsign in Canada, are not inherently notable, although they may be kept if some real notability can be demonstrated." Ironholds (talk) 15:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you applying the US situation (where pirate radio wasn't the political issue it was in the UK) to a UK station? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:27, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The rules apply worldwide - a US example is given because, realistically, the US is where the majority of notability problems will be based. Note that it's "common deletion outcomes" - most UK stations face a similar situation, or the rule would be different. Wikipedia does not work on "political issues", wikipedia works on notability. Both US and UK based items must be notable, and this station is not. Ironholds (talk) 16:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The "rules" are only that we cover notable content, don't cover non-notable content. There's no "rule" that a UK pirate station must meet US part #15 rules or must have an allocated Canadian callsign! Andy Dingley (talk) 16:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please also see the previous AfD 1, Radio Jackie North where this article was AfD'ed on the grounds of the station being, "from long ago"! Andy Dingley (talk) 15:25, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Previous AfDs have no impact on how we work. If something was deleted with a poor rationale previously, how does that undermine or impact on our rationale? We do not like fansites, no, but if they have been covered in significant detail by multiple, reliable, third-party sources then I welcome the inclusion of the article. So far, however, I've seen none of that coverage. Ironholds (talk) 15:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Referencing previous AfDs saves a lot of re-typing.
It's also prejudicial of you to claim that the previous AfD was wrong (we work by consensus here, even if you don't like the outcome). For one editor to re-nominate an article does not invalidate a previous consensus AfD! If you really do claim that this past AfD was "poor", then you should take it to DRV, not just re-nominate until the fruit machine comes up with the jackpot.
As to the refs, then they've been added repeatedly and then removed as "unacceptable" (mostly hosting snobbery) at a rate that seems unusually high for WP when it involves US editors and UK pirate stations. A moment's web searching will show you plenty of coverage. Be snobbish about these nasty fan sites and their lurid colour schemes, but it's ridiculous to claim the station's non-existence on that alone. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:38, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I've never claimed previous consensus was wrong.
  2. Previous consensus was delete. My view is delete. I don't know why you think I'm questioning previous consensus. I'd throw your own comment back at you - we work by consensus here, even if you don't like the outcome.
  3. Previous consensus was for a different article. AfD results do not apply unless this article is substantially the same as the one they discussed deleting.
  4. The edit history shows no removal of refs.
  5. Where exactly are you getting your argument from? It seems to be illogical, founded on no actions and essentially bullshit. No refs have been removed, at no point have I claimed previous consensus is invalid and at no point have I been "prejudicial". Ironholds (talk) 16:46, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Part of the problem is that you're not seeing the full edit history (maybe you're an admin, when I think you would then be able to). This article was speedy deleted a couple of days ago as a copyvio (which seems like an over-reaction, when the older article before any copyvio could have been reverted to) at which time it had been rather larger. It's also bizarre that we can seemingly claim the article is a copyvio of content from elsewhere, whilst at the same time denying that there is any content elsewhere as a source!
Just web search a bit for Radio Jackie North - it (and Eric Haydock) were significant players in the 1980s "second wave" UK pirate radio scene. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can see the history as it pertains to this creation; for obvious reasons, I can't see previous history as I'm not an admin. it seems reasonable to say that; unreliable sources can still be copyrighted. Can you explain, please, how I was prejudiced against the previous AfD, claimed it didn't apply, disagreed with the consensus formed there and attempted to invalidate it by nominating the (new) article for deletion? Ironholds (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And now you're stalking my contributions today and undoing them, classy... Andy Dingley (talk) 21:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. NW (Talk) 22:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! guests (2005)[edit]

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More than 3 months after first prod and AfD there are still no reliable, published, third party sources. wp:v: "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." -- Jeandré (talk), 2009-09-06t14:06z 14:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I know what I piped to, see the second bullet in the nutshell box. I also know that V is a policy and that RS and N are guidelines meant to clarify that policy. This list—as a sub-topic of Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!— contains useful, encyclopedic content. It provides the user with a navigational tool that cannot be achieved in the main article or with categories. The fact that there are currently no sources does not mean it should be deleted. -Atmoz (talk) 04:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. notability is derived from demonstrating sources and this hasnt happened so the delete votes outweigh the keep arguments Spartaz Humbug! 21:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Axis & Allies Miniatures (land version)[edit]

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The only reference is a forum post, and all the links in the article are to sites that sell these things. Not notable enough for inclusion, and borderline advertising Pattont/c 13:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I've been criticized for voting keep here. I didn't realize that the Wikipedia Deletionist pathology has extended to bullying people who vote to keep articles now. Regardless, the criticism misread my comment "comprehensive reference" to mean that I thought the article was well referenced (cited). This is not what I meant by "comprehensive reference." The article itself is a "comprehensive reference" for the topic at hand. It exists, it collates a great deal of disparate information, it is structured properly and it represents significant editing time. If I happened to be someone who was interested in "Axis and Allies Miniatures," surely I would be pleased that this article exists as a COMPREHENSIVE REFERENCE. These are all perfectly valid reasons in of themselves to keep an article. See Jimbo Wales: [6] --AStanhope (talk) 13:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm only a deletionist in that I'm not an inclusionist, and this isn't intended as bullying. 1) Jimbo is subordinate to policy and guideline, and 2) a throwaway comment by Jimbo is definitely subordinate. The base problem with this article is that it fails to pass WP:GNG, and your comments and actions do nothing to address this, instead just helpfully saying how useful the article is. Ironholds (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Barack Obama speech to joint session of Congress, September 2009#Outburst by Joe Wilson. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 05:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You Lie![edit]

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fails WP:NOT#NEWS. Similar outbursts and stunts have become historically significant (see Evil reptilian kitten-eater from another planet) but it remains to be seen if this will. At this stage there's no way of telling if such historical notability will become present, and until it does the article should be deleted. Ironholds (talk) 23:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then, please withdraw the AFD since you agree that there is evidence of notability. thank you Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 23:41, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, counter-sarcasm. Touche. Ironholds (talk) 23:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ironholds, I am nice and won't fight with you any further or add any more comments. Please note that the article needs help but I have inserted some new sections and ideas that need to be developed further. By doing so, it can be a great article! Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, its an abortion. More or less against everything contained in BLP, a complete dishonor to an otherwise respectable congressman, a pinata for healthcare nuts of both sides, and of course all the other tenants cited above and below.Yeago (talk) 07:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not commit abortion on me. I am a human being, not a throwaway piece of trash. I am also not a spa or masseuse. Mayor of Gotham City (talk) 19:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We don't do that. If it's not notable in two weeks, it's not notable now. DJ Clayworth (talk) 21:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually before this article was created it was a redirect to either liar or lie. Googlemeister (talk) 21:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 14:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Azar[edit]

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New article by new user, but might not meet notability standards. –BuickCenturyDriver 12:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Oaks[edit]

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Notability not established. Little mention on google news apart from articles about "Mad Pride" event rather than the man himself. Being a director and available for public speaking bookings does not of itself establish notability. Any information on his role as director of real value can be merged into MindFreedom International which at the moment makes no mention of him. The page text duplicates http://www.mindfreedom.org/about-us/david-w-oaks/ which is CC2.5 but seems pointless to copy when a reference on MindFreedom International would supply the reader the same information. Ash (talk) 09:45, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(note) Not actually a copyvio as mentioned in the nomination.—Ash (talk) 08:05, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JForget 14:12, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brain Toniq[edit]

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Barely noticeable (let alone notable) "think drink." There are no real references here with in-depth discussion except for a review at highlighthealth.com. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JForget 14:13, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Queen of Chinatown (compilation)[edit]

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Mid-price compilation non notable. Has failed to appear on any notable music chart. Lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. Kekkomereq2 (talk) 14:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. JForget 22:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I moved this to Untitled My Chemical Romance album without leaving a redirect. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the Sins...[edit]

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No indication that this future album even has a title yet. No confirmation of a release date or any other info. I was unable to find any reliable source info to back p any of the article's claims ThaddeusB (talk) 15:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Godspeed (Christian band)[edit]

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I am also nominating the following related pages because these band members have done nothing worthy of note outside of this band:

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Non-notable band with no significant third-party coverage. Band fails WP:GNG on its own. The assertion of notability is that the band contained one notable member, Michael Wittig, however, according to criterion #6 of WP:MUSIC, a band must have two independently notable members to be notable. Godspeed was formed before this guy was notable, and notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Conical Johnson (talk) 22:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  Skomorokh  00:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ulrike Reinhard[edit]

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Delete, Claims notability but google only finds blog records, no thirdy party sources. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ok ... i will look for references to her work from 3rd parties! (is it correct to leave a message here ?) thanks Triadic2000 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Triadic2000 (talk • contribs) 10:17, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is the forum for our community to discuss why the article should or should not be included.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
great... i will work on the quality of the article and hope it will be accepted :) thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Triadic2000 (talk • cds, contribs) 10:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Could one fix the tag of hangon for an article which is nominated for deletion, through an AfD tag? If so, the author could place one, if he/she could find a third party reference / citation for the article meanwhile. Warm Regards LineofWisdom (talk) 14:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

the only thing that tag will do is to place the article on the list for speedy deletion, which is the opposite of what you presumably want. DGG ( talk ) 19:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. PDFFiller should be renominated separately if one wishes to delete it. NW (Talk) 22:46, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FillAnyPDF[edit]

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The result was delete.  Skomorokh  00:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wag's Revue[edit]

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This doesn't see notable under Wikipedia:Notability (web) The only real third part source is a Brown U newspaper and it seems it only got that because of the fact it was made by 3 brown students. Nevertheless, it doesn't seem to be a notable website. Fire 55 (talk) 22:18, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are two other articles at the bottom linked to show that it is a notable publication, especially Poets & Writers article, which appeared in print, and is the leading industry mag. I'd also point to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Online_magazines to show that online magazines can be considered to be legitimate publications. Sandraeallen (talk) 22:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You should read the link I gave. It clearly says that it NOTABLE has many THIRD party sources. and Yes they are going to be online mags on wikipedia, BUT NOT everyone single one. ONLY the ones that are popular and as a lot of third party sources. Can you find more third party sources beside the Brown U newspaper. I can't. Sorry blogs don't count. --Fire 55 (talk) 22:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I find it troubling that there's not a hard-and-fast rule to determine 'notability'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandraeallen (talk • contribs)

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The result was redirect to Libyan Premier League 2009–10. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:06, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Libyan Premier League 2009-10 Fixtures & Results[edit]

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Prod removed without explanation. Crystal balling, only source is a Web forum. Durova318 22:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. per A7 - No assertion of notability JForget 14:15, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Truth baptist church[edit]

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Non-notable org. WP:ORG. No independent sources and I could not find significant coverage. No notablity asserted in the article. Creator deleted Prod, notability, and primarysources tags without making any changes. There is an WP:COI issue as it looks like the pastor created this article. Clubmarx (talk) 21:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Pinellas County Schools#Elementary schools. JForget 22:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gulfport Elementary[edit]

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No evidence of notability, becoming a Montessori school is not a notable event, the best policy we have worked at creating regarding schools, WP:School implies that elementary schools are not inherently notable, and there is no evidence of significant secondary coverage as per WP:GNG. Recommend redirecting to Gulfport, Florida. Terrillja talk 21:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Normally I would have gone to the author if I had a concrete policy to cite, however wp:schools never gained consensus unfortunately. This is also the first time I have ever had one of my school redirects undone, so I figured that I would bring it here where it would likely get snowballed rather than wasting my time on a PROD just to have it removed and have to bring it here anyways. Such is bureaucracy I suppose.--Terrillja talk 21:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The article has already been renamed and refocused during the AfD.[8] The nomination is no longer really applicable for that reason, though it may be renominated on different grounds if anyone wishes to. NW (Talk) 22:52, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nikki Catsouras[edit]

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Requesting deletion per WP:ONEEVENT WP:BLPNAME and WP:BIO. The subject in herself fails notability, whatever about the incident and the aftermath. Though she is deceased, the criteria around BLP still largely apply here. Furthermore, the subsequent legal case surrounding this incident was dismissed. I see absolutely no reason why this biography should be kept. Alison ❤ 20:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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We can't speculate one way or the other. But reputable sources like Newsweek (note the presence of the Wikipedia article on the topic overview page) do, and it is not inappropriate to write about that. As the article makes clear, her family seek publicity, wanting something good to come out of the case eventually, which weakens the BLP argument, provided our coverage remains sensitive. --JN466 10:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Page moved and roughly refocused, don't know if it will stick. Guest9999 (talk) 13:45, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, well done. --JN466 18:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That works for me, too :) - Alison ❤ 19:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. per author request (G7) JamieS93 20:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heart's Home[edit]

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No assertion that the company passes general notability guideline – most references are first-party, others are trivial coverage or with unclear reliability. Little verifiable information; Google search for "heart's home" -heartshome.org yields nothing relevant. Very little inline-sourcing provides difficult verification. Fribbulus Xax (talk) 19:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Coldplay.  Skomorokh  00:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Ode to Deodorant"/"Brothers + Sisters"[edit]

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This release isn't notable enough for its own article. No reliable sources provided. Deserted Cities 19:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, here's a source-[http://www.bandsonly.com/coldplay/discography/singles/ode-to-deodorant--brothers--sisters/ ]

And another-[13]

And another-[14]

Is that enough along with the ones that are already on the article?--Coldplay Expert 19:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh sorry but I forgot, Keep--Coldplay Expert 19:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the first is just a link to download it. The second is an interview which barely touches on it. The third is a from a "Q and A" website. None of them qualify as reliable sources to prove notability. Deserted Cities 20:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And to quote WP:MUSIC, "In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources". This article in question is a demo. Deserted Cities 20:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean the interview barely touches it? The entire section of the interview with will champion is about it.--Coldplay Expert 20:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Semantics. It doesn't matter either way. Deserted Cities 21:08, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Sighs) Ok Ill take the article back... :(--Coldplay Expert 21:18, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just a quick question, why does Mince Spies have an article and this one will probably be deleted? (This is not an OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument)--Coldplay Expert 19:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd assume because the article in question is a demo tape, and never released on a major label. But Mince Spices is released on Parlophone. Deserted Cities 01:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright well what can be salvaged out of my work? (Oh and before you delete this page please give me a head up so that way I can copy its contents into a sandbox article.)--Coldplay Expert 10:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WHAT....are you kidding me? I understand your position but Please!! reconsider you idea. I have realized that A lot of my article that I have created in the past have been....well not good but please assume good faith. I am sorry for my past edits and I will ask others if any article that is Coldplay related that I make in the future is a good idea. In fact I already have see my conversation with JD554 on my talk page. (And his) Oh and one more thing. There have been some good articles of mine in the past like Latin America Tour. I will even take everything off of this page and ask an admin to delete it.--Coldplay Expert 22:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 22:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Hohler[edit]

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Bio is of a blogger and lacks secondary sources independent of the subject; indeed, most of the article is drawn from self-published sources. I conclude it fails WP:BIO. Prod contested by sole author, who appears to be a SPA. RayTalk 19:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bio is significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. The Subject is notable because he appears on many podcasts, is a writer, and is currently writing a book that will be due out for publication in 2011. Nitroxsurfer— Nitroxsurfer (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 10:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Diary of a Wimpy Kid: My Last Year[edit]

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I can't find any RS sources to confirm that the following books exist or are planned to exist:

The articles are unreferenced and unverifiable. They may be hoaxes or based on rumours of future books. There is nothing in Google News announcing them. Amazon does not have them to pre-order. They are not mentioned on the author's blog[15] or the publisher's site[16]. All these sources agree that there are only 4 books in the Diary of a Wimpy Kid (series) (plus the DIY book). There will be a 5th book but its title is not revealed[17]. DanielRigal (talk) 19:04, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have a nasty feeling that at least some of these rumours may well trace back here. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Gun (band). (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon McNeil[edit]

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This article was mislisted on Redirects for discussion. The nominator -- User:G-macscot (talk) -- is citing reasons for speedy deletion but, since I wasn't sure exactly what they wanted since they seemed to be confused by the process, I've decided to list this in an RfD instead so others can talk about this first. The original nominator said:

Not notable article, no verifiable resources, possible bias/non-point of view, flagged for deletion for violation of policies A1 and A4. (links added).

The article was marked with just about every problem template including many related to NPOV which I couldn't understand and removed from that article. I've tried to clean things up as much as I could before reposting this here.

Finally, don't take my posting this here as an endorsement one way or another or an argument to delete. I know nothing about Gordon McNeil and am not arguing for its inclusion or deletion one way or another. I'm just trying to make sure this ends up getting discussed in the right place. —mako๛ 18:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for moving this to the right place. I wasn't exactly sure of the correct procedures. I just found it very strange to have an entire article dedicated to a person with only 3 and a half lines of text on the page. Doesn't seem like an appropriate topic to have an entire page dedicated to the subject, and 4 links to social networking sites at the bottom. Seems to be more of a self-promo/PR page than anything else. Agree with JohnCD's suggestion above - move mention of the subject into the Gun (Band) article.

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Erik9 (talk) 03:04, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Sound of Fishsteps[edit]

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Unremarkable book that does not cite sources to attest notability UltraMagnus (talk) 18:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 22:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Corridor (band)[edit]

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No sources. Artist released debut album this year and apparently has not charted. Durova318 18:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn . Non-admin closure.Note: this may be my last non-admin closure I'll make as a non-admin. MuZemike 13:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Artificial sunlight[edit]

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Although this article cites sources, it appears to be primarily WP:OR and WP:SYNTHESIS. The term 'artificial sunlight' is widely used, but there's no clear definition for the term, beyond the obvious one that it's an attempt to simulate natural sunlight. There's a lot of words in this article, but very little actual content. Also note that this article was the subject of an improvement drive in 2008. Even with that attention the article still has no clear subject or raison d'etre. Pburka (talk) 17:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*I don't know about a redirect because both articles seem to be about different (albeit similar) subjects. I'd say keep both. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 18:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC) Actually, after looking at the sources, the article is fine, but the title appears to be made up. Maybe it should be merged per above after all. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 18:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh Republican Army[edit]

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Joke / hoax organisation or simply one so small that no one has noticed it. E-mails and phone calls to one newspaper do not rhylly establish notability. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Farid Bang[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSIC. No sources, text admits that releases were unsuccessful. Durova318 16:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aalto Entrepreneurship Society[edit]

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The subject of the article does not meet WP:ORG notability guideline. Aalto Entrepreneurship Society has not been a subject of significant media attention. According to its own web page, it has ca. 10 active members and has been active only since winter 2009. According to the club's web site, the club has been briefly mentioned in a national news broadcast (MTV3, 2009-08-04, 22:00 UTC +3). However, when one views the broadcast, there is no material about the organization in question. The real-world activities of the organization are minor and non-notable: about half a dozen social gatherings.

As a student club, AES is among the newest and smallest in the (future) Aalto University. However, the club has been very active in all social medias, and a Wikipedia article seems to be a part of this project. Therefore, I think this article is an advertisement in violation of WP:SOAP. --MPorciusCato (talk) 14:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say AES is among the smallest. AES was also featured on Your Hidden Potential [20]. Why this article needs to be deleted? --Klgfuifufguigp (talk) 07:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AES has, as I noted, only ca. dozen members. You can't get a much smaller association than that. Aalto University has numerous larger student bodies. (There are about a hundred student associations, and several dozen have memberships over one hundred.) A single article on a hobby portal (Your Hidden Potential) is not "international main stream media attention".--MPorciusCato (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. No sourced content to merge, but feel free to request undeletion for that purpose.  Skomorokh  00:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cdpe[edit]

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Contested prod. Title given by a private company to real estate professionals who graduate from its courses. The title is trademarked (big red flag), and there seems to be nothing on it on Google that would not qualify as a primary source. The original version of the article was actually spam for the course curriculum. Delete.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 15:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge. Consensus that the topic is not notable, i.e. deserving of a dedicated article, and no reasons offered not to merge. WP:PRESERVE.  Skomorokh  00:18, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forge (Pendragon)[edit]

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Doesn't appear to be a notable piece of fictional technology. Spiderone 15:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nominator agreed to userfy. Ikip (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Temesgen[edit]

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Declined speedy. However, it appears to me that this is a conflict of interest (created by a single-purpose account. The article is unsourced. Don't know about systematic bias, but spam is spam. Ohconfucius (talk) 15:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn and Redirect to CMDB. Joe Chill (talk) 18:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cmdbuild[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this software. Joe Chill (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Skomorokh  00:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Liseuse[edit]

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Originally prodded. Term is a French synonym for E-book reader (See french e-book reader page). No evidence that this term has widespread usage in English. See this forum. Jujutaculartalkcontribs 15:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The only source I see that have you referenced is the mobileread forums (here) which I already mentioned in my nomination. A forum does not qualify as a reliable source. Take a look at the Wikipedia guidelines about reliable sources - WP:RS. If you can find multiple reliable sources that use the term, I would happily endorse a redirect/merge. Jujutaculartalkcontribs 17:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can you provide evidence of that claim? Wikipedia requires reliable sources for verification. Like I said above, I would happily endorse a redirect if sources can be found. Forums are not reliable sources.  JUJUTACULAR  04:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like someone didn't read the "This is not an election" policy. The responses are pretty funny though.--RDBury (talk) 05:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That wasn't an election!... this is: http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56418 :D AprilHare (talk) 12:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a democracy. Please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#AfD Wikietiquette. Basically, this is supposed to be a forum for rational arguments either for or against keeping the article. You've stated your argument and you're welcome to comment on other people's arguments. Instead, you're trying recruit people who don't know anything about this process to come in and influence the "vote".--RDBury (talk) 11:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That is a misrepresentation. I am not recruiting anyone. And I think you are belittling Wikipedia users. I merely raised an issue, somewhere else. AprilHare (talk) 12:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I'm misrepresenting your actions then I apologize. People can follow the links above and judge for themselves. I was trying to point out that the discussion created on that external forum seems, at least to me, inappropriate and not particularly helpful to your case.--RDBury (talk) 02:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep with a nod to WP:BEFORE and WP:RUBBISH.  Skomorokh  00:31, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Northgate Information Solutions[edit]

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As it currently stands this article is very little more than a stub about a company that does little to claim notability and even less to demonstrate it. The talk page and page history show that this was formerly a much larger article concerned with the history of the company. This was removed by user:JamesBWatson on the 21st of July this year with the edit summary "Detailed account of every detail of the company's history is parochial and not notable". All this and previous minutiae removed from the article (detailed on the talk page) suggest to me that little or no encyclopaedic expansion is possible, and the few minutes I've spent on Google have backed up that impression.

The article implies there is detailed discussion of two of the companies products in the Microdata and Pick database articles, but in the first there are just a couple of passing mentions and in the second there is all that can be encyclopaedically said about the product (possibly more), and nothing of note about the company that could provide additional material for this article.

The fact that the company's Hemel Hempstead office was demolished following damage sustained in the 2005 Hertfordshire Oil Storage Terminal fire is not relevant to the company, and does not provide notability nor a reason for retaining the title as a redirect (either to that event or elsewhere) in my opinion.

I am also nominating:

Which are part of the same group apparently, and equally non-notable. Thryduulf (talk) 13:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leon Crnčič[edit]

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No source he made his professional debut on 1.SNL and Serie A, fails WP:athlete. Matthew_hk tc 13:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bassette Diagram[edit]

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Taking directly to AFD, looking at talk page no reason to Prod. Something created by an 8th grade teacher for her classroom is not notable. I could not find any reliable sources that discuss this diagram. A new name 2008 (talk) 13:18, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Overall consensus here seems to hold that this topic is sufficiently notable, though I'd emphasise that sources are required. Some support for a merge/redirect to NIMBY definitely exists, but there is no consensus to enforce such a merge at this discussion. ~ mazca talk 00:28, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

YIMBY[edit]

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Fails WP:VERIFY Nsaa (also nominated for deletion at no-wiki no:Wikipedia:Sletting/YIMBY) (talk) 13:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Le Maizeret[edit]

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Non-notable cottage. No references to it provided, none found in searches. Bongomatic 17:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OfficeSIP Server[edit]

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This article and related article OfficeSIP Messenger have been continuously added (without improvement) by users after being deleted as spam - new users appear after prior user had been warned and then blocked by admin User talk:Piseciffo for spamming activities. Calltech (talk) 12:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The current version doesn't read as spam, and no actual argument has been made any argument for deletion. If you want it deleted, I suggest you comment on its notability rather than the person/people who created it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The arguments for deletion were already made during prior deletions. The fact that the article is simply recreated by a "new" user without improvement is argument alone for deletion. Calltech (talk) 09:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Um, the article has never been up for AfD before and the 1 other deletion was a speedy of a completely different version of the article. I find the fact that you are attempting to justify your non-reason for deletion by saying it was created by a new user to be disgusting. FYI, most new articles and most other content contribution is done by new users and IPs. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your disgust is misplaced and perhaps you need to chill out. The facts are that the article was removed several times and the user who was spamming was blocked - then a "new" user with a new ID just happens to pop up and immediately adds this very non-notable article again. This was not coincidental. Calltech (talk) 18:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your the one who chose to respond to a request for a valid reason with another non-reason. And both the deleted content & the public log disagrees with your assessment of the situation. Perhaps next time you could avoid this argument simply by supplying a real deletion reason, i.e. something like those that others have supplied below. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:31, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Erik9 (talk) 03:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comparison of WAMPs[edit]

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This comparison is being maintained as a consumer guide rather than an encyclopedia article, and is not encyclopedic in nature. None of the references actually compare the products in question; indeed, many of them are not directly comparable as they do not include the same components, and many of the rest differ very little except for in the specific version numbers of the bundled components. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn nomination with no outstanding delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 12:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bello Musa Kofarmata[edit]

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Only assertion of notability is a friendly with LASK. Fails WP:ATHLETE and possibly fails WP:GNG Spiderone 12:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - plays in a fully-pro league. 8lgm (talk) 15:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn nomination with no outstanding delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 12:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dele Ajiboye[edit]

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Youth caps aren't enough to pass WP:ATHLETE and not enough coverage to pass WP:GNG. Out of interest, which team does he play for Pontevedra or Wikki? Spiderone 12:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nominator agreed to redirect. Ikip (talk) 01:55, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Watkinson[edit]

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It is not clear to me that this person meets the notability criteria. There are claims to notability, but I was not able to find independent coverage of these film awards in reliable sources.. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nominator agreed to userfy . Ikip (talk) 16:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anna-Maria Galojan[edit]

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Does not meet WP:POLITICIAN. (1) Unsuccessful candidate to the Riigikogu, (2) Not a local figure (3) what coverage she has received almost entirely WP:ONEEVENT for a list of attractive female politicians. Challenged prod. Saalstin (talk) 10:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator, article userfied to User:Reeshelen/Anna-Maria Galojan creator's userspace --Saalstin (talk) 12:54, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 19:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makhdoom Mohammad Rafique[edit]

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No indication of why he is notable, fails WP:BIO and was previously speedily deleted as M. R. Makhdoom. I prodded a couple of days ago and tag was removed by anonymous editor. Paste Let’s have a chat. 09:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as completely unverifiable. There are no sources given, printed or online. There are online mentions of people named Makhdoom Rafique and Makhdoom Rafiq, but it's unclear whether any of them are the same person. They don't back up anything in the article. Presumably fails either WP:MADEUP or WP:BIO. • Anakin (talk) 14:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Premises and Theories of Know Yourself Know Others (KYKO)[edit]

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Original research, probably made up one day Shadowjams (talk) 09:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dragomir Demirov[edit]

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According to the article he has only played at youth and university level. Spiderone 08:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nominator agreed to userfy the page. Ikip (talk) 17:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sierra Kusterbeck[edit]

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I can find no reliable sources for this bio. Gnews turns up two hits, and the Ghits seem to turn up fan sites, blogs, or other unreliable sources. The article isn't a speedy candidate, though. She may pass WP:BIO, but just barely - unless someone can find sources I am not seeing. ArcAngel (talk) 08:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 10:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Israel (nation)[edit]

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Unsourced POV fork from Israel. Also nominating Israeli (nation). Suggest merge of any useful content. -- Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 08:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Eccleston[edit]

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Fails WP:ATH Steve-Ho (talk) 06:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. There is a strong consensus here that sufficient coverage in reliable sources have demonstrated notability.
I would strongly counsel the nominator not to follow up on the stated intention to take this to deletion review. In order for this debate to be closed as delete, I would have to disregard the strong consensus here, the even stronger consensus in the previous AfD, and the letter of the notability policy. I see no evidence that the majority of participants here are "too close to the topic", or that our normal standards should be disregarded. ~ mazca talk 00:23, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Too Beautiful to Live[edit]

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This is a local, nighttime radio show that aired for 18 months and averaged 1400 listeners.[1] It has since been canceled. Bluecanary99 (talk) 06:11, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/entertainment/2009844015_tbtl11m.html

-->UPDATE | Since this AfD discussion has descended into personal attacks and, since in review of the contents of the first AfD discussion it appears the same thing occurred, I'm going to nominate this for Deletion Review so a non-involved party can make the decision to purge this article as it appears everyone here is too close to the topic (and, since I've been the subject of three four attacks, I'll include myself in that, as well). I'll leave the AfD open for a day or two more first but, in the interest of mitigating the down-spiral of civility here, will not be participating in additional discussion. Bluecanary99 (talk) 06:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After the personal attacks that I also have suffered, I agree with Bluecanary99's decision for Deletion Review. It is best to get a non-involved party before anyone else becomes the subject of a personal attack. Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 07:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: remaining neutral on merits, but WP:DRV is not for thing of that sort. DRV is not AfD round two. The best you can get at DRV is probably a relist at AfD. Tim Song (talk) 11:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, I don't intend to appeal to DRV until the AfD has run its course. Any no-delete decision that results from that will obviously have been colored by another users taunting attitude and veiled attacks so a DRV will be necessary for equanimity. Bluecanary99 (talk) 15:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This seems silly. I came across this acronym only today and found the (brief) Wikipedia entry very useful. Why delete it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.54.13.229 (talk) 22:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(1) doesn't lose notability - we can't assume it ever had notability just because it passed AfD once (see my comment re: unfair treatment given to topic given obvious personal issues between participants), (2) it continues in podcast form - (a) a podcast is not notable absent additional qualifiers, (b) we don't know how long it will continue in podcast form; a day or a decade - it has no established history as a standalone podcast; according to the reference in the Seattle Times the host is only willing to commit for a few months, until January; the date at which his former radio station stops paying him, (3) a rare example of a major-market radio station programming something in the evening timeslot besides a syndicated yapper or music ... I've listened to KIRO-AM/FM with semi-occasional regularity and I can't recall when they've ever had music or syndicated talk at 7PM, or at least since the year 2000. Prior to this I lived in LA and - among non-music stations - there was a lot of local, non-music programming in the evening. Do you have a source or reference that this is "rare" as casual observation seems to suggest otherwise?
This time slot has been a revolving door at KIRO. The "TBTL" show sat there longer than soon, shorter than most. If the above criteria are enough to keep this article, for editorial balance, we should also need articles on Northwest Sports Night, the Frank Shiers Show and the dozen or other programs that preceded - and will likely follow - this program at 7:00 on KIRO. (note: I do not support that; a simple one-line reference or footnote in the KIRO-FM page is maybe okay)
not total (which judging from KIRO's market leading status, means there were more people listening under 25 and over 54) - A station ranked 19th does not have "market leading status."[1]
Also, please don't use phrases of confrontation like "don't mangle statistics to fit your POV" in a civil discussion. It's too early in the AfD thread to discard mature dialog and debate just yet. Perhaps in a few days, though. Thanks. Bluecanary99 (talk) 09:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Outside of major markets (and with many major broadcasters these days within major markets), most of the 7pm-midnight time slots have been turned over to either syndicated talkers, voicetracked hosts who have done their shows hours or days before, prime time sports talk, or the likes of John Tesh or Delilah. This is the conventional wisdom of radio today. I was saying in general radio has went in the direction of not doing local after 7pm these days.
The show was on for over a year. What preceded it really doesn't matter, and those shows didn't have the uniqueness this one did as they just either talked about the issues of the day or reviewed sports action, something that many other shows already do.
I was not attempting to attack you at all, just clarifying that the number you cited came with the condition that a certain age group was measured, not just the entire audience, and if you nominate an article you better make sure you're not misleading the discussion. Since they were targeting young people also, that takes out a chunk of 18-25 listeners not cited in the referenced article. Nate • (chatter) 03:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Outside of major markets - Seattle is a major market so we can safely discount this argument.
I was saying in general radio has went in the direction of not doing local after 7pm these days. - I just, at random and as a random sample, selected the Denver market and checked all three talk stations there - KHOW, KOA and KFKA. Two of the three of them have local programming after 7PM. Once again, do you have a reference or source to back-up your claim that it's "common sense" radio stations don't have local programming after 7PM? Wikipedia is not a place for original research or "gut feeling" thesis'. Bluecanary99 (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
those shows didn't have the uniqueness this one did - Wikipedia is not a place for us to write articles based on our opinions on the relative merit of things. Please don't insert value judgments into a discussion on an encylopedia entry. WP:FANCRUFT. Bluecanary99 (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The source I cited was 1, and the source - in turn - referenced one other (also, the source I referenced was reporting on the lack of success the show had). I don't know that 2 sources establish "significant coverage." Perhaps there are others but they are not ones I "provided." You should choose to make a solid argument about notability instead of a vague and inaccurate summation of what someone else didn't say.
In any case, media coverage needs to be tempered with reason in establishing notability. From the notability guidelines: "Presumed" means that substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion. It's laughable and a weird massage of the guidelines to push POV to suggest that a verifiable source reporting on something's lack of success is a golden ticket to notability. Failure does not establish notability unless it's done in spectacular fashion. This topic didn't spectacularly fail; it appeared to just shrivel up and die like many local radio programs that held this revolving door time slot previously.
Further from the notability guidelines: Generally, an individual radio or television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network — either national or regional in scope — of radio or television stations, or on a single cable television network with a national or regional audience. It is far less likely to be notable if it airs in only one local media market. --- note that this is not even a radio program so the above criteria must be even more rigidly enforced still; it is a basement podcast with an undetermined future that may be only until January - per the hosts quotes - and an undetermined audience Bluecanary99 (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article has numerous sources, and I was making reference to them as well as the one you provided. I believe there are enough sources to guarantee notability. Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:N - substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion Article fails standards set in WP:BCAST / Delete - Most Congenially - Bluecanary99 (talk) 20:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BCAST the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone I feel the article meets the standards set in WP:BCAST / Keep - Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 21:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Because you selectively sited an extraction from a paragraph of WP:BCAST that - when taken out of context would lead the reader to infer an intent not expressed - it is reasonable to be concerned about the neutrality of your POV. I don't believe the community will be able to weigh heavily your assessment in evaluating the deletion decision at this time.
In any case, as there have been no substantive replies by Keepers to points raised in favor of deletion, the direction of consensus seems to be in favor of deletion. Since we're not in a hurry, though, I'll leave it open another week in case that changes. Most Congenially - Bluecanary99 (talk) 00:55, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have stated my reason for keeping the article quite clearly. I feel that notability has been established according to guidelines in both WP:N as well as WP:BCAST. There are numerous sources cited in the article, ranging from the show's creation to cancellation, a period of 21 months (Jan 2008-Sept 2009).
Once again, you did not make any attempt to respond to an actual citation of from WP:N that was holistic, as opposed to selective, and established this article as not notable. In the absence of your decision to address concerns raised by Deleters, it must be inferred you accepted those arguments as valid and are logically satisfied with the prospect of deletion. Once again, per WP:N, substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion; the facts as to why this presumption is invalid have been laid-out and remain unrefuted. The article will be deleted unless someone makes an attempt to address the actual concerns outlined. Bluecanary99 (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My previous post was asking you to clarify your reasons for your vote for deletion. In your initial post, you state that "it seems very difficult to assert that a podcast is notable, unless some reference exists that establishes it as having something that makes it notable". My post was arguing that as a radio show, TBTL has sufficient sources to establish notability, from creation to cancellation, and meets all the requirements of WP:N, as well at WP:BCAST. If TBTL were only a podcast, I may agree with your vote for delete, but TBTL has a well-documented and sourced history as a broadcast radio show, and that is what is included in this article. Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 05:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, per WP:N, substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion; continuing to erroneously claim that WP:N says 'whomever has the most sources wins' is disingenuous and does not contribute in a meaningful way to the discussion. I hope you will choose to participate in a fuller, more honest and robust way. Until then, and in the interests of moving to a swift conclusion to this matter, I don't believe the community will be well-served considering your agenda in making the final decision for or against deletion, nor continuing a conversation with someone obviously intent on derailing the topic. Thank you for your participation. Most Cordially - Bluecanary99 (talk) 06:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please refrain from misquoting me. I have never claimed that 'whomever has the most sources wins' as you quoted, and am insulted that you would state that. To also exclude another editors opinion relating to the discussion at hand is also highly insulting to me. As you stated, "There is room for many different opinions here". To address the topic, constantly saying, "substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion" does not address my question. As you said, "substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption". So it is safe to presume that the article TBTL is fit for inclusion. I ask you, what specific reason is there to not include the article in Wikipedia, so that your caveat may apply? If you need help, the article WP:NOT can give you some ideas. Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 06:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(1) I did not misquote you. I used single quote marks, not double quotes, which are used to highlight phrases of special meaning rather than attribute a statement to someone. I will not be able to provide you additional counsel on English grammar in this forum. WP:AGF is a good resource if you are concerned or need clarification about personal attacks. Also, simple.wikipedia.org affords non-native English speakers an excellent opportunity to explore Wikipedia in a more accommodating environment.(2) Please see my note at the top of this discussion. Due to your decision to use personal attacks I am disengaging from this conversation and nominating the article for Deletion Review. Thanks. Bluecanary99 (talk) 06:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Both single and double quote marks are used to attribute statements to someone. If you need help with quotation marks, there is this fine article. I am insulted that you would imply that I am a non-native English speaker and suggest that I leave the discussion, just because I use quotes correctly, although differently than you. I would remind you that "insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done", as stated in WP:NPA. I agree that disengaging the conversation would be best for all parties involved, before the personal attacks escalate. Regretfully, Nathalmad (talk) 07:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would appreciate you making the choice to end your extended spate of taunts, veiled threats and personal attacks. There is room for many diverse opinions on Wikipedia. It would behoove you to learn to tolerate views different from your own. Wikipedia is a hate-free zone. Thanks. Bluecanary99 (talk) 15:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I regret that you chose to continue your personal attacks against me. Wikipedia has a system is place for Dispute Resolution that I will be force to involve if your attacks continue. I encourage you to take part in this system, instead of continuing your personal attacks. Regretfully, Nathalmad (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Due to your insistence to continue your veiled taunts, I am in the process of filing a civility complaint against you. Please accept this message as the required notification.
This AfD discussion has, unfortunately, been derailed and sidelined due to your decision to resort "flood baiting" to push your POV instead of making a WP:N or WP:BCAST based argument. The AfD discussion is no longer valid or useful and the deletion decision will have to be transitioned elsewhere where this odd and rather off-kilter tactic of gangsterism can be weighed into the decision. Your anticipated reply to this is not welcome but I'm resigned to accept it. I would encourage you, however, to send it via personal message so other participants do not have to be subjected to this ill will. Most Congenially, Bluecanary99 (talk) 19:59, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If I can sum up your position for deletion for any newcomers, it appears to be this: TBTL is not notable because it is a canceled radio show, but the typical guidelines to establish notability for a radio show do not apply, because it is now a podcast. Is this correct? Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 01:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is not correct. Please choose not to attribute arguments to me I have not made as a veiled attempt at personal attack. Please review WP:NPA. Thanks. Most Cordially, Bluecanary99 (talk) 04:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"it seems very difficult to assert that a podcast is notable" as well as "note that this is not even a radio program so the above criteria must be even more rigidly enforced still" are statements you made that TBTL is not a radio program, but a podcast. "Failure does not establish notability unless it's done in spectacular fashion. This topic didn't spectacularly fail; it appeared to just shrivel up and die like many local radio programs that held this revolving door time slot previously. " was part of a statement in your argument that TBTL's cancellation as a radio show makes it non-notable. My comment was only asking you to clarify your arguments for deletion for any newcomers to the discussion. Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 05:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Intentional de-contextualization of quotes with the intent to malign the quoted or nuance the discussion is a personal attack. I would kindly ask you to make the choice to stop personal attacks. There is room for many different opinions here. Thanks. Most Cordially - Bluecanary99 (talk) 06:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
All quotes were evident in context, and clearly taken from the above discussion. I was asking for clarification on some of your conflicting statements. If you could please clarify exactly why the article TBTL is not suitable for inclusion into wikipedia, I would be grateful, and I'm sure any newcomers to the discussion would be as well. Humbly, Nathalmad (talk) 06:42, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please see my note at the top of this discussion. Due to your decision to use personal attacks I am disengaging from this conversation and nominating the article for Deletion Review. Thanks. Bluecanary99 (talk) 06:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Due to your personal attacks against be, I agree. Deletion Review is the best course of action. Regretfully, Nathalmad (talk) 07:27, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would appreciate you making the choice to end your extended spate of taunts, veiled threats and personal attacks. There is room for many diverse opinions on Wikipedia. It would behoove you to learn to tolerate views different from your own. Wikipedia is a hate-free zone. Thanks. Bluecanary99 (talk) 15:51, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I regret that you chose to continue your personal attacks against me. Wikipedia has a system is place for Dispute Resolution that I will be force to involve if your attacks continue. I encourage you to take part in this system, instead of continuing your personal attacks. Regretfully, Nathalmad (talk) 19:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Retraction: Retracting crossed out section per WP:NNC
Additions to Arguement: citing a source Notability is not temporary. The article seems to pass every condition of the General Notability Guidelines.
General Question/further arguement: It keeps being said that verifiable sources do not guarantee notability, but for the article to not be notable there must be a reason it is not notable though it fulfills the General Notability Guidelines, may I kindly ask what that reason is? Nowhere in Wikipedia:Notability does it say it has to be of national interest or of interest to anyone outside of a limited amount of people "It is important to note that a notability determination does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or the popularity of a topic—although those may enhance the acceptability of a subject that meets the guidelines explained below." (WP:N) --Gold Man60 Talk 07:49, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
per WP:BCAST: Generally, an individual radio or television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network — either national or regional in scope — of radio or television stations, or on a single cable television network with a national or regional audience. It is far less likely to be notable if it airs in only one local media market. In either case, however, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone. For instance, a purely local talk radio program can be notable enough for inclusion if it played a role in exposing a political scandal that resulted in the impeachment of the city's mayor — and a national television program can be non-notable if it got cancelled too quickly to have garnered any real media coverage.
WP:BCAST establishes two conditionals: (1) show is national or regional in scope, or, (2) though not national or regional in scope had some significant contribution to society. That it was "a really cool show" and "I thought it was better than other shows that air then" does not constitute a significant contribution to society, no matter how well-sourced it is. See WP:FANCRUFT. The presumption of notability, therefore, remains only a presumption. Article requires deletion. Bluecanary99 (talk) 16:39, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BCAST totally throwing out the fact that it is not Wikipedia policy nor is it more than an essay right now. It states "It is far less likely to be notable if it airs in only one local media market." it says "far less likely to be notable", not "it is not notable". plus KIRO-FM seems to serve a pretty large area with a good amount of people in it [45] and when it was running on AM even more [46], its not like this local show was only broadcasted in some tiny town, it was broadcasting throughout the Puget Sound region including the Seattle Metropolitan Area which is well populated, completely ignoring the fact it also came as a podcast, live Internet stream, and Comcast Digital Cable channel 900 something. I like to say local notability is still notability, there are plenty of articles involving tiny towns and schools that no one has ever heard of before that get there own articles, I believe since it is well sourced and of interest to a good amount of people it gets in because it satisfies all notability guidelines, does not violate any of the Wikipedia is nots, it has verifiability and because Wikipedia is not a Paper Encyclopedia. You do have a valid argument though as this is really a gray area it could go either way, calling in an expert or a few impartial experienced editors is a good idea. --Gold Man60 Talk 21:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
per WP:N, substantive coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion Bluecanary99 (talk) 05:34, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Miller (business and social entrepreneur)[edit]

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Article about likely non-notable individual. Article: 1) is an orphan, 2) is written like an ad, 3) lacks citations, and 4) lacks valid assertion of notability. Article creator's two edits include this article and IBF, to which (s)he added "Intranet Benchmarking Forum".

The companies that he is involved with apparently do not have Wikipedia articles. (Intranet Benchmarking Forum did have an article but it was deleted by the author admitting to it being an ad; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Intranet Benchmarking Forum)

Likely self-promotion. scooteytalk 05:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This stub is going to be next to impossible to verify, as this name is extremely common in the United States. One of the authors is going to have to take on the burden of proving notability and fixing this stub to WP:BLP standards. Currently, this is a mess. Bearian (talk) 19:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 10:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Australian veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq[edit]

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We have separate articles for the Australian involvement in Afghanistan (Operation Slipper) and Iraq (Australian contribution to the 2003 invasion of Iraq) as well as the campaign medals awarded for these two separate wars (Afghanistan Medal (Australia) and Iraq Medal (Australia)), so an article which combines veterans of both wars and the different campaign medals they're entitled to seems unnecessary and awkward. Nick-D (talk) 04:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a title can be redirected to two places. Mandsford (talk) 00:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MuZemike 22:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Play The Industry[edit]

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This game never actually went into development, they were just in the "pitching" stage. Theres been no news on it since September 2007.[47] Coasttocoast (talk) 04:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notability does not expire. You provide a link which can be added to the article. Ikip (talk) 16:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 05:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coldplay.com[edit]

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The band may be notable, but the website itself isn't. Deserted Cities 04:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Please only !vote once in an Articles for Deletion discussion. Use Comment for any other things that you want to add to the discussion. Thank you. talkingbirds 19:28, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a matter of fact, I think there are two notable facts on the page. As those are present in the article Coldplay, a merger seems to be superfluous. Please try to avoid speculating on other editors' motivations, instead focus on the facts and Wikipedia policies involved. In this case, the relevant policy concerns whether the website is sufficiently notable for its own article. If you think that it is notable, based on that policy, please show why and provide sources - and nobody will be sorry to see the article stay. Thank you! --bonadea contributions talk 20:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Im not speculating Im saying that it is my opinion that almost everyone here that voted "Delete" is a Deletionist. How is that A bad thing?--Coldplay Expert 21:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article you linked to, referring to people as deletionists (or inclusionists) can sidetrack debate. Deserted Cities 01:19, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Look in not trying to sidetrack a debate, I too no not belive that this deserves an article but I do belive that something cam be taken out of this work.--Coldplay Expert 10:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Then by all means, put it in the Coldplay article. Not every new topic needs a new article. Y2kcrazyjoker4 (talk) 20:53, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well I guess that your right, there isnt really anything worth noteing on any other coldplay article. (Well maybe you can add something about Roadie #42 on the Viva la Vida era.)--Coldplay Expert 22:54, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was DELETE. Alexf(talk) 12:34, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Swiftor[edit]

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The moniker of a community manager for a social gaming site. Apparently counts receiving a takedown notice from the GTA4 team as one of his criticisms. A google search failed to turn up any reliable sources (although did show plenty of forum and twitter posts). In general, fails WP:BIO: founding a gaming community and raising a few grant for charity doesn't necessarily confer notability. Bfigura (talk) 03:40, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:31, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Panayiotis Peter Levis[edit]

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Was close to tagging it for speedy/notability, but need opinions on this one since it's not really my area... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 03:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 16:07, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Independent Lutheran Diocese[edit]

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PROD removed by another editor, so AFD'ing. Article has no third party sources or verification of notability. Mostly copy/pasted from public domain internal doctrine documents. Durova318 03:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy rename to Saxon River (no redirect) — this was the name the article would have been at if not for some undetected old vandalism to a redlink. Grutness...wha? 06:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah River[edit]

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Created by bot from list at List of rivers of New Zealand, but it seems to be a spurious entry to the list. the reference given doesn't list a Sarah River, and a google search for "Sarah+River" + Zealand - Wikipedia" turns up nothing other than mirrors of us and a woman called Sarah River. Grutness...wha? 03:16, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nominator agreed to userfy the article. Ikip (talk) 03:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

422nd Military Police Company[edit]

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Non-notable. A google search, google books and google scholar search show no results for this topic. warrior4321 02:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. The issue of merging can continue on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

23 Enigma[edit]

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References are dead links, links to fiction and primary sources. Article is largely in-universe. Article is also a strong example of WP:NONSENSE and WP:CB. Justification for removing prod "it's old" invalid. Simonm223 (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment It may be an idea used in a notable fiction book but that does not in and of itself constitute notability for the concept that there is something unnatural about the number 23. I would be satisfied by the proposal to redirect to William S. Burroughs or alternately to redirect to the Illuminatus! Trilogy as this would resolve the WP:CB and in-universe concerns I have with this current article.Simonm223 (talk) 11:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fractile Games[edit]

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I can't find significant coverage for this video game company. Joe Chill (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One book source.[48] Ikip (talk) 10:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The [WP] in this entry indicates attribution to Wikipedia, and is therefore unusable. If there are no other sources, then I endorse a delete. Marasmusine (talk) 13:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am in no way endorsing anything, delete or keep, just mentioning the sole google hit. Ikip (talk) 02:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Biker Dogs Motorcycle Club[edit]

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Fails WP:ORG. The most significant coverage of the Big Dogs MC is one story in the regional newspaper the Oakland Tribune from 2003 [49] or [50]. In the same year there was one story in Thunder Press [51] and one in Pinnacle News [52], which are small local newspapers or web sites only. These three articles, plus self-published material from http://www.bikerdogsmc.org, are all there is. Dbratland (talk) 20:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

House of Chasse[edit]

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Article fails notability. It might belong as a subtopic of Jesus bloodline. Google doesn't show anything related to this topic, unless you like seafood. Original article was about a possible Jesus bloodline. but that article doesn't mention anything either. Seems more original research than anything else. TParis00ap (talk) 20:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World Tutor[edit]

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Non-notable company with few relevant Google hits. Article's purpose appears to be promotional. Hemlock Martinis (talk) 19:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Zoids. Cirt (talk) 04:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zoids 2[edit]

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This toy line does not assert any sort of notability and it simply contains trivial details, such as a list of the toys. TTN (talk) 19:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The "Keep" by Judo112 was given significantly less weight per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:ITSNOTABLE NW (Talk) 19:58, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost Zoids[edit]

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This toy line does not assert any sort of notability and it simply contains trivial details, such as a list of the toys. TTN (talk) 18:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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There are thousands of products who has wikipedia article about them. why should this be any different. the delete sayers seems to be stuck to some paragraph in soem lawbook somewhere:)--Judo112 (talk) 14:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Nominator agreed to redirect to Crips. Ikip (talk) 02:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P Jay Crips[edit]

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Non-notable gang. A localized set that fails WP:ORG. The larger gang passes notability, but this set does not. Article uses one reliable source that was less about why that set is notable than about just using a former member as an example. Lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Clear consensus that all mentions are of the trivial or unreliable sort. NW (Talk) 19:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly Park Compton Crips[edit]

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Non-notable set of a gang. Attempts to establish notability by mentioning notable rappers who are allegedly members (might be a BLP issue there), but doesn't assert notability for the set itself. Passing mentions and trivial coverage, but lack of significant coverage in reliable sources lead to failing WP:ORG. Was AfD's in 2008 and was withdrawn when someone found a minor mention on Google Scholar and trivial mentions in gnews. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • What "overall notability"? The single TV report about what some of their members planned to do? Or the trivial mention from the GREAT website that doesn't even use the full name of the set? Niteshift36 (talk) 18:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have said it many times and i say it again. what my opinion is is MY opinion.. and for a nominator trying to convince another perosn to change hes/hers opinion is a very long shot that often fails.--Judo112 (talk) 19:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But it is rather pointless to provide your opinion without any explanation as to why you feel this way. Most closing admins will simply disregard your opinion and not take it into account in their closure. This is not a vote, opinions without arguments (preferably policy- and guideline based arguments) have no impact. Fram (talk) 14:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I ASKED what you found to be "overall notability". I didn't try to convince you of anything.Niteshift36 (talk) 14:11, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GCC4TI[edit]

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Non notable; creator was unable to provide sources after request by RadioFan Gammablock (talk) 15:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. Listed for 20 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator but not enough participation to determine consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Paolo zampolli[edit]

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High number of GHits, but mostly associated with Page Six type short blurbs. Probably best know for using high-end fashion models to sell exclusive properties in Manhattan and return of a lost expensive Rolex. No GNEWS of substance. CSD removed by SPA. Appears to fail WP:BIO. ttonyb1 (talk) 21:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – The difficulty of creating an article that is violates WP:COI is it sometimes clouds one's view of the facts. Nothing in the summary is incorrect nor is anything there an accusation. That said, I would focus on showing how this article meets the criteria in WP:BIO, WP:REF, and WP:VERIFY. Without this the article may fail the AfD. My best to you. ttonyb1 (talk) 00:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 19:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CareerBall[edit]

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Article has exactly 23 google hits - 2 of those from Wikipedia. Other links refer to a book published on scribd and a website with the same name. The book author appears to be the creator of the article. noq (talk) 18:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Questionable notability, has an odor of original research. Crockspot (talk) 20:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The title "CareerBall" was apparently coined by the article author for his book, which falls under the category of articles wrongly titled as neologisms. But even the article itself smacks of original research, and doesn't feel rightly encyclopedic. It wouldn't surprise me if it was copied directly from his book, and I don't think it's salvageable. • Anakin (talk) 15:48, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 05:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Boomtown Theatre[edit]

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No reliable sources establishing notability, and it is highly unlikely that any will be found for this short-lived local venue. There is (was) no particularly significant coverage in even the local media. The article appears to have been created by the owner, several years ago. Cúchullain t/c 15:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 19:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All New Electronics Self Teaching Guide[edit]

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Article subject is a book for which no reliable sources are provided and no assertion of notability is made in the article which meets the criteria of WP:NB. The title gets a large number of ghits but all the ones I looked at were either bookseller's advertising or were blogs and forums that had been spammed. After the first three or four pages of results I am now bored with trawling through them. It seems to me that this article is just one more item in an internet wide spamming fest for this book. Possibly there is an article in there, but the authors are going to need to identify the reliable sources first. SpinningSpark 15:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Meiswinkle[edit]

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Does not meet the general notability guideline for inclusion in Wikipedia. The subject, one of ten minor candidates in the 2009 gubernatorial election in New Jersey, does not seem to have any special notability indicated in the article. Several articles are linked to on the page, but only a couple of those seem relevant to the establishment of the subject's notability. The rest (Flickr photos of newspaper articles from the 1990s) seem only to go toward supporting the statement in the article that "his experiences fighting corruption lead [sic] to his political aspirations." Ultimately, this article fails WP:NN and WP:POLITICIAN. A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 13:55, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Weapon (Guitar FX)[edit]

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Non-notable product. Has only been used by one band, Disturbed (band), for and with whose guitarist the pedal was designed. No non-commercial third-party coverage has been made of this. It is a product which has no significance to music history, and as an effect there's nothing special about it. Conical Johnson (talk) 08:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Mekehout[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:ATHLETE as he hasn't played in a professional league. Spiderone 12:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAB effects[edit]

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Non-notable product line from a large manufacturer with its own page. All the important content from this article is already in the Danelectro article. Conical Johnson (talk) 08:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 04:05, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Samir Bentayeb[edit]

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No assertion of notability made in the article as the league isn't professional. Spiderone 12:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Listed for 13 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abdelkrim Mammeri[edit]

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No assertion of notability. This link [54] implies that he hasn't made an appearance in a league that isn't even professional. Spiderone 12:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - captaining his side to a national cup victory is enough for me. GiantSnowman 11:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Listed for 14 days with no "clear" arguments for deletion. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Maine Edge[edit]

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I declined the speedy deletion nomination, so I'm bringing it here for further evaluation. Neutral. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't favor it. I think it outlines a growing trend, and just posted an article that contrasts the free vs. paid debate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eaglesfan215 (talk • contribs) 12:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Unforgettable (Selena). — Jake Wartenberg 15:40, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Classic Series, Vol. 1 (Selena)[edit]

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These albums are simply remastered releases of early Selena albums. I have attempted to merge and redirect the articles to the original album only to be reverted on more than one occasion. I still support a redirect of each. There are five volumes in all. Wolfer68 (talk) 02:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Classic Series, Vol. 1 (Selena) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) → Alpha (Selena album)
Classic Series, Vol. 2 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) → Muñequito de Trapo
Classic Series, Vol. 3 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) → And the Winner Is...
Classic Series, Vol. 4 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) → Preciosa (album)
Classic Series, Vol. 5 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) → Dulce Amor

Agreed.The same has been done regarding Unforgettable: Limited Edition in redirecting to Unforgettable (Selena). MaJic (talk) 21:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Ankan Deka[edit]

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The result was Nominator agreed to userfy page.. Ikip (talk) 02:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Ellefson[edit]

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Article subject fails WP:MUSIC criteria for inclusion on WIkipedia. Aussie Ausborn (talk) 01:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zero Gravity (song)[edit]

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This song was not released as a single, did not chart on any national or significant music charts, has not won significant awards or honors, has not been performed independently by several notable artists, has no reliable sources, does not have enough material to warrant an article and is unlikely to grow beyond a stub article. Aspects (talk) 01:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The scope of Archuleta's career is not holistic enough at this point that this level of minutia has significance or relevance to any but a tiny fraction of his fans. Bluecanary99 (talk) 20:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. This discussion was listed for 16 days with no arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. Though an AFD tag for some reason was not placed on the article, the debate was sorted and was listed on the log for 13 days. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ixquick[edit]

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Not notable and written like an ad. 120 million searches in five years, which amounts to less than 100,000 per day. Only other indication of notability is a "EuroPriSe" award, which doesn't seem to itself be notable (supranational government projects aren't automatically notable). May be salvageable if merged e.g. into an article about search privacy. NeonMerlin 15:52, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Queen Is Amanda - Platinum Edition[edit]

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Mid-price compilation released by non notable european label (NAR/Edel Music Italy). Has failed to appear on any notable music chart. Lack of significant coverage by reliable sources. Kekkomereq2 (talk) 18:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 00:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Assassination of Jim Pouillon[edit]

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sad, but a failure of WP:NOT#NEWS and a potential BLP nightmare. Ironholds (talk) 00:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: The George Tiller article was started three years before he died. The Jim Pouillon article was created less than 0:30 minutes ago simply to redirect here. This will likely be a notable event, but that's my WP:CRYSTALBALL. Location (talk) 01:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At any rate, the Tiller assassination article has never been challenged at AFD, regardless of creation timelines. Both are articles on the assassination of people involved in abortion/anti-abortion advocacy, both can be supported by numerous non-tabloid sources... the only real difference is the side of the political coin. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 01:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, the only real difference is the lack of proven lasting notability and focus from outside of the newspapers and tabloids. Second warning, don't accuse me of political bias. Ironholds (talk) 01:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Second warning? I didn't accuse you of anything... and I'm not even sure what you're threatening me with with these warnings. At any rate, it's utterly impossible for any event to have " proven lasting notability and focus from outside of the newspapers and tabloids" on the day it happened. There's no policy requiring us wait a day or a week or a year... Wikipedia has a long tradition of creating articles about events on the day they happened, or very soon after, when such sources cannot possibly exist. I think your claim runs contrary to practice as well as policy. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 01:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, the real difference is that Tiller was notable within Wikipedia prior to his assassination. You are acting in WP:BADFAITH if you think political agendas are involved in the nom's or my recommendations.Location (talk) 01:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know either of you and I don't know your motivations at all, so I wouldn't presume to say you're politically motivated, I have no idea, and I simply haven't made any such accusations, you appear to be trying to read between the lines of what I'm saying. But still, nominating within 6 minutes of page creation... how good could the page possibly have been? And now I can't work on it because I have to defend the page here. Hopefully someone can realize the problem here... --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 01:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You've repeatedly made comments along the lines of "you didn't nominate the other article for deletion, and the only difference is political" - what exactly am I meant to think? Ironholds (talk) 01:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm asking you to explain a non-political difference between the two. And I'm saying that no one challenged the Tiller articles the way this article is being challenged, not that you specifically didn't. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 01:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, so you're making a comment about WP generally being biased, that's nicer :P. I've already explained a difference; Tiller demonstrates longer-lasting notability, with a documentary and coverage over a wide range of dates. Pouillon doesn't yet. The fact that he might in six months is by the by - we don't keep articles around because they might be important in the future. Ironholds (talk) 01:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But like I said, the sources, from many different non-tabloids, are here now. I think it's trying to predict the future to say "Well, even though there are 500 news stories today, no one will care in 6 months". If that's the case in 6 months, then deletion is called for, I agree. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 01:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, because WP:NOT#NEWS sets the base standard that "news" stories are not automatically notable, and the onus is on the creator to highlight (as I say once a year, or close enough) why this story is different from all other stories. Ironholds (talk) 01:49, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's an impossible to define standard, and presumably that's why WP:NOT#NEWS says nothing of the sort... I could say it's "different from all other stories" because there are few to no other stories about anti-abortion activists being murdered for their beliefs/activism. I could say it's "different from all other stories" just because it's about the murder of a guy named Jim Pouillon, whereas no other story is about that. It's a completely subjective standard, so it's not a part of policy. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant was "evidence that this news story is not the same as the story about a kitten rescued from a tree, which was also covered by four channels".Ironholds (talk) 02:01, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well uh, this is not the same as a story about a kitten being rescued from a tree, because it involves a double-murder, not firefighters and an oak tree. I'm not trying to be trite, it's just that the whole idea of what is similar and what is different is a hopelessly subjective standard to try to debate over. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 02:03, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, so all double murders are now worth an article? No. It isn't a subjective standard at all, what I'm saying is that what makes things like this "different" from other crimes is the long-term coverage. Pouillon has exhibited none of this, and we shouldn't keep him around because he might be covered in six months. Ironholds (talk) 15:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But there are endless articles we've kept around without waiting 6 months to see how much overall coverage there ends up being. I just don't see people applying this supposed standard very evenly... we keep articles on breaking news all the time without trying to delete them because there might not be coverage in 6 months. If there really isn't coverage of a major news story 6 months later, then it's time to consider deletion. --Sancho Mandoval (talk) 23:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The arguments posited by the nom and myself have been non-political. On the other hand, you have introduced a need for both sides of the "political coin" to be represented from your first post. If we are in agreement that politics do not dictate whether the article is kept or not, then we should be looking at relevant policies and guidelines (i.e. WP:NOT#NEWS, WP:CRYSTALBALL, etc.) instead of trying to ascertain where an hours old murder "fits in". Location (talk) 01:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC) [edited 02:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)][reply]
I lean more toward the article being on the killings. A multiple murder in a town this size, particularly when their might be a political aspect to one killing, is of wider interest. Granted we're not consistent on that. We don't have articles on some notable shootings that size, but do have things like the Richland High School shooting--T. Anthony (talk) 01:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And now the US President has responded--T. Anthony (talk) 18:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good question. Regarding the first, here's what I see as the critical text from the article:

Some advocacy groups, such as the NAACP National Voter Fund, made an issue of this case during George W. Bush's presidential campaign in 2000. They accused Bush of implicit racism since, as governor of Texas, he opposed special hate crime legislation. Also, citing a prior commitment, Bush declined to appear at Byrd's funeral. Because two of the three murderers were sentenced to death and the third to life in prison (all charged with and convicted of capital murder, the highest felony level in Texas), Governor Bush maintained that "we don't need tougher laws". However, after Governor Rick Perry inherited the balance of Bush's unexpired term, the 77th Texas Legislature passed the James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Act on May 11, 2001.

Regarding the second, from that article: In late 2004, ABC's Elizabeth Vargas reported on an investigation into the murder for the television program 20/20. And there is a proposed federal law, the Matthew Shepard Act, which was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives in 2008, and which (the article about the bill says) President Obama supports.
I hope you can see the differences here. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 15:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Consensus seems to be that there is nothing that suggests that it might be notable. If reliable sources appear, please contact me, and I will be happy to undelete or userfy the article. NW (Talk) 19:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Open Studio (IDE)[edit]

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fails WP:GNG; no coverage in multiple reliable, third-party sources. Considering it's run by "people ages 12 to 18" I can't see that happening soon, no offence. Ironholds (talk) 00:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good software can in fact be developed by young people. You should not underestimate them. --Programble (talk) 00:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not saying it can't, I'm just saying that the chances of people like big newspapers, professional websites and academic journals taking notice is slim. Ironholds (talk) 00:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But, adding it to wikipedia wouldn't be a good start for it....? This isn't fake....:( Moonwolf14 (talk) 00:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, it works the other way around. We require significant coverage before we have an article on Wikipedia, not an article to generate coverage elsewhere. Ironholds (talk) 01:02, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good software can infact come from young people, but this just seems like an advertisement. Dom96 (talk) 01:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The advertising tone was copy-edited away (I hope) --Mokhov (talk) 00:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nowhere WP:USERFY supports your statement, Ironholds. WP:CRYSTAL is not applicable in the user space (e.g. if I say in my user space about my PhD degree that I am still working towards to, but don't hold yet, won't classify my that user page for deletion based on WP:CRYSTAL alone). --Mokhov (talk) 00:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's common sense - we userfy articles primarily so that they can be worked on. However much you work on this, it isn't going to be notable. General rule of thumb I use is that if you know you could kill it with an MfD, it isn't appropriate in the userspace. If you say you're doing a PhD, that isn't WP:CRYSTAL. On the other hand, if you justify keeping a full biography of you in your userspace with "I'm working on a PhD and some interesting research, so I will eventually be notable", that is. Ironholds (talk) 00:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Nominator agreed to userfy the page. Ikip (talk) 02:24, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chasys Draw IES[edit]

Chasys Draw IES (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
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Per general notability guideline, this lacks significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the source. I cannot find such sources. Also, reads like an advert/brochure. Non-notable software. Contested PROD.  Chzz  ►  00:25, 12 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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