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Phobos is being towed into Pascaqula, Mississippi now (with LIVE COVERAGE)
Crazy to be seeing live coverage. And clear views. Cheers. N2e (talk) 19:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I am watching that now. Amazing! Already made the relevant changes to the article. N828335 (talk) 19:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
With a well-sourced citation I trust. ;) N2e (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
Template:Starship flights/suborbital
It is good to see your enthusiasm for improving things in spaceflight topic area generally, and in helping to fix some particularly poor sourcing on Template:Starship flights/suborbital. I really appreciate your quick attention on the items that had been recently flagged.
I just thought it might be good to say here that there is definitely much more sourcing work and citation cleanup needed on that page; and stuff that wouldn't stand muster if some editor happens by to challenge it. I'd be happy to start discussing it on that Talk page... but also thought that since you are still relatively new to the editing on the English Wikipedia, I'd also be happy to discuss some of the broad categories that stand out to me here on your talk page too, if you'd like a more conversational and coaching take through some of those topics as you learn the Wikipedia ropes. Any preference? Cheers. N2e (talk) 19:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Either is fine, thanks. N828335 (talk) 01:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Sending a notification
hey N828335, didn't get the notification to pop when you pinged me on the Template talk:Starship flights/suborbital page. In case you didn't know you probably do but, when you want to ping another editor (using the re template, ping, etc.) you need to sign your comment in the same edit (Looks like when you did it wasn't). See Help:Fixing failed pings if you need help, but just reposting the re template (with everyone's name) and resigning your comment should work. (or it could have been an error on my end) Happy editing! OkayKenji(talk • contribs) 02:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
I tried it again, hopefully it worked. N828335 (talk) 02:23, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Still didn't work :(. But it's fine. OkayKenji(talk • contribs) 03:06, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Slightly confused
Hi N828335,
Thank you for the welcome, although I must confess to being slightly confused by your welcome message.
Although not a frequent or myriad editor, I have been a contributor and Wikipedian, almost since it's inception, (registered user since 2008).
Could it be that you have me mistaken for someone else, or perhaps an error in the contributions/history database?
Hopefully, if you're welcome was intended for someone else, you manage to find them.
Sincerely,--Orville Wright (talk) 12:40, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
No problem. The fact that you did not have a talk page made me think you were conceptually somewhat new to editing. Obviously this is a generic message I leave often. Surprised no one welcomed you earlier. N828335 (talk) 15:19, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Request for input on SpaceX Starship
Greetings N828335, I have started a discussion on the SpaceX Starship talk page about reoganizing the prototype section. I would really appreciate your input. Please take a look and leave a note. Many thanks. JaredHWood💬 01:28, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, I saw that. I will look into it once I have time. N828335 (talk) 01:29, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
I saw your note, that you are working on the prototype table. I'm online right now too and will stay out of your way so we don't get edit conflicts. If I'm on later and there is more work to do, I take a turn at it. Jared.h.wood → JHelzer💬 17:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Sure, thanks! N828335 (talk) 17:24, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
@JHelzer: The tables look so much better without the bulky notes section! I've copied and pasted each note cell under their respective heading. However, this leaves a lot of duplicate information that needs to be properly merged. I'm going to take a break on this article for a few hours, if you want to work on cleaning it up. Thanks, N828335 (talk) 18:41, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
That's what I get for not reading and being sloppy. Thanks for the help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgrundler (talk • contribs) 18:42, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
No problem, its just a minor issue. Thanks for your contributions! N828335 (talk) 18:45, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
And thanks for the welcome! The first page I edited on Wikipedia was over 13 years ago, but I am still a relative noob. Dgrundler (talk) 18:56, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
The Hope orbiter reached mars on 9 February 2021. Seven months after its launch on 19 July 2020.
Confirmation of the Perseverance rover successfully landing on Mars was recieved at 20:55 UTC on 18 February 2021. With the first photo from the same day.
The Mars Pathfinder is an American robotic spacecraft that landed a base station with a roving probe on Mars in 1997. It consisted of a lander, and a lightweight wheeled robotic Mars rover named Sojourner, which became the first rover to land and operate on Mars.
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The first 360-degree panorama taken by Mastcam-Z, on Perseverance.
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Hi bro, I'm from Wikipedia en español, there I edited your user page performing the grammar. I was thinking, you could return the favor? Please, my userpage here probably have grammar errors and I need a checking there. See ya! Xillegas (talk) 06:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Sure, I will take a look. N828335 (talk) 07:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Xillegas (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Deimos (oil rig). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 8#Deimos (oil rig) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. I started a discussion on this. N2e (talk) 04:20, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the notice, I have added a few more. N828335 (talk) 16:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Great. Thanks for catching the ones I missed. We've got ourselves a bonafide, and I think useful, subcategory in place now. N2e (talk) 03:27, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
There has been a dispute on the article List of Starship flights. A dispute resolution request has been sent to Wikipedia.
64.121.103.144 (talk) 19:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Good, we probably need some outside opinions. I've gotten tired of discussing it, so I have not commented in a while. After thinking about it, I think we should just label SN8-SN11 as just failures, and not use 2 columns. If it was recovered: success. If it wasn't: failure. We don't need to add green boxes just to feel better for SpaceX. If it was any other company, we would do this, but SpaceX just has so many fans, which are the editors. N828335 (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
On March 7 the Wide Field Camera 3 on Hubble Space Telescope entered safe mode after a software error was detected. And took days until the camera was fully active again. read more
The Space Launch System completed a full-duration (8 minutes and 20 seconds) static fire of the core stage on March 18, after an earler test in January failed to complete the test.
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The Hubble Space Telescope was launched into low Earth orbit in 1990 and remains in operation. It was not the first space telescope, but it is one of the largest and most versatile, renowned both as a vital research tool and as a public relations boon for astronomy. The Hubble telescope is named after astronomer Edwin Hubble and is one of NASA's Great Observatories.
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Astronaut Roger B. Chaffee is shown at console in the Mission Control Center, Houston, Texas during the Gemini-Titan 3 flight.
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I think you can see (learn) it takes patience to slowly see a consensus develop on some of the big questions and topics that have lots of dedicated and enthusiastic editors. In this case: it was that all that one-word armchair analysis by SpaceX fans who can hardly stand not to have a chart with colors was, in the end, original research. But that is the consensus that ultimately developed. Now more reliably sourced facts, and fewer editor fights (eventually) over what to call each launch or landing and how to color them. :) N2e (talk) 03:59, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Attention!
I will now remove the WikiProject. Join in the discussion about making a WikiProject Spaceflight subproject at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spaceflight/NASA/SpaceX subprojects.
64.121.103.144 (talk) 15:25, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Would you be interested in joining my WikiProject, Rocketry? I am the Project Coordinator. Also, would yoube interested in being the project's assistant coordinator?
No, the articles I work on more closely correlate to spaceflight than rocketry. N828335 (talk) 00:27, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
Note
Remember the subproject proposals that we are working on? Can you let other people know that there is a new spaceflight subproject proposal?
64.121.103.144 (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I can maybe let a few people know, but I really am not very active at the moment. N828335 (talk) 15:38, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
@64.121.103.144: Please don't significantly alter other's user pages, like adding a wiki break banner. I am not on a wiki break, I said I am not "very" active, but I still make several edits per day, which is much less than in the past. However, I already have a banner on my user page addressing this, that I've added to this talk page also. N828335 (talk) 19:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
@StarshipSLS: Great, thanks for letting my know. N828335 (talk) 00:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Consensus seems formed, or imminent
Looks like SpaceX floating launch platform is the most consensus pick. I've left a comment on the Talk page summarizing how I see it. N2e (talk) 18:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Since March, 39 new pages have been added to Spaceflight. There is 1 less GA-class, with 3 more files, 4 more B-class, 6 more C-class, 7 more start-class and 5 new stub-class articles.
An article you recently created, Starship orbital test flight, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
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Is the article that it went to being reworked? It was marked as deleted when I checked it. 12.186.169.130 (talk) 15:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
It is being worked on in the draft space, Draft:Starship orbital test flight. N828335 (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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I think this draft is ready to be submitted to AFC. What do you think? StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 14:22, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Not quite yet. I think we should make an infobox (like other rocket launches) and work on some sourcing first. N828335 (talk) 19:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@N828335: Ok, I will work on that. Can you give me a link to a good infobox we could use? StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 23:36, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@StarshipSLS: I added one over from Falcon Heavy test flight. Infobox still needs some more work, along with some ref work. Then, it should be ready for article namespace. N828335 (talk) 23:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@N828335: Where did you get the info that it is launching from Florida? The FCC exhibit says Texas. StarshipSLS (Talk), (My Contributions) 23:56, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
@StarshipSLS: Thanks for catching that. I copied it directly from the Falcon heavy one, guess I forgot to change that. I have some more time now, so I will work there. N828335 (talk) 00:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Just sent it over to be reviewed now. N828335 (talk) 00:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
@StarshipSLS: After getting declined again, I think I will just create a section on the List of Starship flights article, and move the content there for now. This seems to be the recommendation from WP:DELAY. N828335 (talk) 20:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@StarshipSLS: Just an update: I moved the entire thing to a section on List of Starship flights, so edit it there. The draft no longer exists, I created a redirect out of it. In the future, once we get a few more details, we can just replace this redirect with the actual article. I don't think the user who declined it is very familiar with rockets/Starship, which might explain their decision. A little more publicity on the launch before giving it an article might help, however. N828335 (talk) 15:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
@12.186.169.130: Yes, I saw that discussion, I just have not decided and responded yet. Thanks, N828335 (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Draft:Starship orbital test flight
Hi, could you please explain why you thought that a draft which was declined as AfC for good reasons now deserved to be inserted into an existing mainspace article? CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
@CommanderWaterford:WP:DELAY States that "It is wise to delay writing an article about a breaking news event until the significance of the event is clearer as early coverage may lack perspective and be subject to factual errors. Writing about breaking news may be recentism, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. It is recommended that editors start a section about the event within an existing article on a related topic if possible, which may later be split into its own article if the coverage suggests that the event is independently notable." My understanding is that we thought it was not notable for its own article at the moment, so it should be inserted as a section on a existing, highly related article.
Based on your declining comment, it seems like the event is not notable enough for an article (yet), and there's nothing I could change on the draft to make it more notable. This was the only option I saw besides deleting the content altogether. N828335 (talk) 17:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
@N828335 WP:DELAY does not mean instead of waiting inserting it into a mainspace article. Wikipedia is not a newspaper nor a marketing&/promotional organization for Starship. CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:30, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
The Crew of SpaceX Crew-1 had a successful splashdown in the Gulf of Mexico on 2nd May at 06:56:33 UTC. After they launched in November 2020 and had spent 167 days in space.
A LongMarch 5B rocket had an uncontrolled re-entery into the atmosphere on 4th May. With any debris being reported to have landed in the Indian Ocean.
One of Rocket Labs Electron rockets expierienced a launch malfunction 2:30 into launch causing the mission to result in failure.
Images have been released after the landing of Zhurong rover on Mars on 14th May.
Creola Katherine Johnson was an American mathematician whose calculations of orbital mechanics as a NASA employee were critical to the success of the first and subsequent U.S. crewed spaceflights. The space agency noted her "historical role as one of the first African-American women to work as a NASA scientist".
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Astronaut Clayton Anderson wis shown as a water bubble floats in the middeck of space shuttle Discovery during the STS-131 mission.
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On 17th July NASA announced that scientific observations from the Hubble Space Telescope had resumed on a backup computer after being placed in a "safe mode" since June 13.
On 20th July Blue Origin had their first fully crewed mission to the edge of space with Jeff Bezos onboard in a New Shepard capsule.
On 26th July The Pirs module was the first permanent ISS module to be decommissioned. After docking to the ISS on 17th September 2001, just under 20 years ago.
On 29th July The ISS was moved out of its normal orientation after the Nauka module (a new Russian module) was docked and started firing its thrusters.
Shuttle-Centaur was a version of the Centaurupper stage rocket designed to be carried aloft inside the Space Shuttle. Two variants were developed: Centaur G-Prime and Centaur G. The powerful Centaur upper stage allowed for heavier deep space probes, and for them to reach Jupiter sooner. However, neither variant ever flew on a Shuttle.
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This is an Extreme Deep Field image taken from the Hubble Space Telescope, released by NASA on September 25th, 2012. With exposure dates from July 2002 to March 2012.
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On 17th July NASA announced that scientific observations from the Hubble Space Telescope had resumed on a backup computer after being placed in a "safe mode" since June 13.
On 20th July Blue Origin had their first fully crewed mission to the edge of space with Jeff Bezos onboard in a New Shepard capsule.
On 26th July The Pirs module was the first permanent ISS module to be decommissioned. After docking to the ISS on 17th September 2001, just under 20 years ago.
On 29th July The ISS was moved out of its normal orientation after the Nauka module (a new Russian module) was docked and started firing its thrusters.
Shuttle-Centaur was a version of the Centaurupper stage rocket designed to be carried aloft inside the Space Shuttle. Two variants were developed: Centaur G-Prime and Centaur G. The powerful Centaur upper stage allowed for heavier deep space probes, and for them to reach Jupiter sooner. However, neither variant ever flew on a Shuttle.
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This is an Extreme Deep Field image taken from the Hubble Space Telescope, released by NASA on September 25th, 2012. With exposure dates from July 2002 to March 2012.
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On 12th August a GSLV Mk.2 rocket with the EOS-03 Earth observation satellite as a payload encountered a third stage failure and crashed back into the ground after reaching a maximum altitude of 140km (87 miles).
On 20th August a 5 hour 55 minute spacewalk was completed by chinese astronauts Nie Haisheng and Liu Boming on the Tiangong space station.
On 28th August an Astra rocket had an engine failure at launch, but managed to recover and fly to the upper atmosphere before leaving its flight corridor, resulting in flight temination.
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Hey, I think you may be interested with the WP:Constellation program, where currently articles about private spaceflight gets improved. Happy editing, Starship SN20 (talk) 021:48, 10 May 2022 (UTC) @N828335
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Hi. Would you be interested in joining a WikiProject SpaceX? If you are please add support on it proposal page.
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The article ENSCO floating platforms 8500 and 8501 has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Both platforms have been sold by SpaceX without being used. As they did not have a notable past before SpaceX, did nothing notable during their time with SpaceX, and now have no notable future, this article likely no longer meets notability criteria.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the ((proposed deletion/dated)) notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
@Ultimograph5: I agree these platforms no longer are notable after being sold, so I am not against the deletion of this article I created. N828335 (talk) 04:23, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@Mykhal: Perhaps not anymore. When I made this redirect Next Spaceflight was mentioned on the page, but this content seems to have been removed. Therefore I would not be against deleting this redirect. See [1]. I'm not sure about their current relation, but NASASpaceFlight does use them on their website [2] and vice versa [3]. Next Spaceflight was created by Michael Baylor who used to work for NASASpaceFlight but not anymore. N828335 (talk) 18:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)