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The result was Bizarre adventure. The AfD is being closed many years later, because it was never properly closed back then, because it was never visible, because it was never transcluded on any of the daily logpages. Technically, it has still been open this whole time.

Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. jp×g 22:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)(non-admin closure)===Fictional atheists===[reply]


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A little while ago, the category "Fictional characters by religion" as well as it's subcategories were deleted. The reasoning for this was that it's unlikely that people will look for characters based on what religion they adhere to. You can review the the discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_February_24#Category:Fictional_characters_by_religion



Personally, I disagreed with the decision to remove the "Fictional characters by religion" category, but I trusted that the opinion of more experienced Wikipedians was superior to my own. And since it's been concluded that these Wikipedians are right, don't their arguments also apply to fictional characters who do not believe in any religion?

It was concluded that in the case of characters for whom religion is a defining trait, that there are better categories that can be used. This also true of characters who are nonbelievers. Take Rorschach for example, simply putting him in the Objectivism category is far more useful than inclusion in a category for atheists. Calling him an Objectivist is more specific, and says more about what beliefs actually motivate the character. Atheism by itself leaves his motivations vague since it has no dogma attached to it.

And as with specific religions, a character's atheism isn't usually what the character is known for. In Clone High, Joan of Arc's atheism is just a joke, and doesn't effect the show anymore than Homer Simpson's Protestantism effects The Simpsons. Ash Loomis (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 16:41, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bearcat Voice (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non-notable student government political party at Northwest Missouri State University. Article functions as mere historical record of a student club at a university. Makes no assertion of notability. (According to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Education school clubs are not notable.) Contains no third party reliable sources, and I was unable to find any, except from NWSU publications [1] and myspace profiles [2].Googlenews search comes up empty [3].

Stubbed information already moved to main article here.--RedShiftPA (talk) 00:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note - This is very similar to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulldog Party

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The result was delete. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bulldog Party[edit]

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Non-notable student government political party at Truman State University. Article functions as mere historical record of a student club at a university. Makes no assertion of notability. (According to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Education school clubs are not notable.) Contains no third party reliable sources - all 5 sources are from TSU student newspaper and Googlenews search comes up empty [4]. Stubbed information already moved to main article here. RedShiftPA (talk) 23:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note - This is very similar to the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bearcat Voice

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The result was Delete --JForget 01:26, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Big Four (American snakes)[edit]

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Core article information is bogus. Jwinius (talk) 23:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was merge. I have redirected to Shortland Street; knowledgeable editors are encouraged to merge relevant, verified information. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kath Bennett-Henderson[edit]

Kath Bennett-Henderson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Non notable fictional character, first appearing on television recently. No evidence of third party coverage. Prod removed by anon without comment. J Milburn (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD was not listed on the article itself between 22:07, 13 March 2008 and 12:29, 14 March 2008. Fixed now. ➨ REDVEЯS is a satellite and will be set alight 12:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:33, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abiotx (band)[edit]

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This is my first time nominating a page for deletion so I hope I'm doing this right. Anyway, the article in question doesn't assert notability and their "website" is a MySpace page. Also, the article doesn't seem to meet the WP:MUSIC criteria. On the other side Contribs|@ 23:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scarlett Keeling case[edit]

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Should be speedy deleted. Non-notable news case, Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and egregious violation of WP:BLP. My speedy tag was removed. Corvus cornixtalk 23:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Plaxall[edit]

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Article fails WP:NOTABILITY, WP:CORP, and WP:COI. Article was created by an WP:SPA account with no other edits other than related to Plaxall (apparantly Plaxall is his client[7]). Was speedied twice under WP:CSD#G12. google produces very little, asside from lawsuits. Has a few links but they seem to be merely trivial coverage or mentions. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. which is clearly noted in the notability guidelines. Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Notability seems to rest on the apparent claim that Plaxall invented thermoforming. Do we have a source like Wiley's Encyclopedia of Polymer Science and Technology, rather than a local newspaper? --Boson (talk) 00:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Not notable Bardcom (talk) 00:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If inventing thrmoforming isnt notable then what is? It seems as though wikipedia has lost its ability to grow. Not allowing articles in unless they are already published somewhere else just makes it a copycat. --70.107.249.106 (talk) 16:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)— 70.107.249.106 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete. There is insufficient evidence of notability. There is a claim of notability based on the subject being the inventor of thermoforming but this does not seem to be widely known, let alone accepted, and there is also evidence that the subject of the article did not invent thermoforming. --Boson (talk) 17:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, insufficient evidence of notability. The article claim that the subject was central to start of thermoforming appears to be contradicted by other sources. As the article's [[WP:N|notability] hinges on that central claim, I support deletion. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 17:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP The article states that it is commonly thought to hav been invented in modern form in the 1930's. The decade Plaxall was founded. No other "inventor" is offered.--70.107.249.106 (talk) 18:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)— 70.107.249.106 (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: 70.107.249.106 has been reported as a suspected sockpuppet. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Cschiffner—Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddst1 (talkcontribs) 20:10, 11 March 2008
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The result was delete. —Scott5114 [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 03:31, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Lancashire[edit]

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Has not made an appearance in a fully professional league so fails WP:ATHLETE. robwingfield «TC» 23:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - since I posted the above, he has been named in the squad for this evening's Championship match[9] so I guess his day will come soon!--Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 14:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Russia Moscow Mission[edit]

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There are over 300 missions of the LDS Church. Main article is at Mission (LDS Church), but no other mission has its own article. Previous mission-specific articles have been deleted/merged here and here. I see nothing about this particular mission that would suggest this one is notable in any way that would justify a separate article. Article contains no references except a link to a mission "alumni" site for former missionaries. There are actually other references mentioned in the article and a link to another webpage, but from what I can see they seem to deal with the more general topic (and possible article) of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Russia than to this particular mission. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 00:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brooke Skye[edit]

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Procedural nomination from DRV here. Article was deleted in a previous AfD and recreated multiple times. Additional references have come to light in the deletion review, but there was no consensus regarding if these met WP:PORNBIO or other notability criteria (and they have not yet been added to the article). As this is a procedural nomination, I am neutral. IronGargoyle (talk) 22:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Merge to Power Rangers. Keilana|Parlez ici 23:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Power Rangers crew members[edit]

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Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; this list -- even when complete -- isn't really suitable for Wikipedia. IMDb is much better suited to it. The main people - EPs, directors, et al - can be noted on the show's main article or episode lists, etc. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 22:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After a note on my talk page about this AfD I realised WP:IINFO perhaps isn't the rationale I meant; I don't think it strictly falls under any one category for deletion but between WP:DIR and this simply not being a particularly good idea for a list I'm not convinced it warrants its own article. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 01:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete --JForget 01:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fulham F.C. season 2007-08 matches[edit]

Fulham F.C. season 2007-08 matches (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Ignoring the fact it's incomplete, I'm not convinced this is a wise idea for an article-fork. It's a bit of an indiscriminate collection of information; and we already have Fulham F.C. season 2007-08. This seems like going in to too much detail for what Wikipedia's scope.

For a similar AfD a while ago, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Real Madrid C.F. Matches 2007-08. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 22:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep per WP:SNOW. (non-admin) - Milk's Favorite Cookie 00:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neo-Stalinism[edit]

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Article doesn't describe its own supposed topic, it just leaves a few lines of commentary, bit that are already covered elsewhere. No real definition of the term 'Neo-Stalinism' is presented. Soman (talk) 22:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Redirect/Merge to Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville. Keilana|Parlez ici 23:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Immaculate Conception School (Kentucky)[edit]

Immaculate Conception School (Kentucky) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete per precedent and failing WP:N. Public elementary schools are generally held to be inherently non-notable, and a small, private school should also require something impressive to warrant an article. Article is unsourced, and doesn't appear to have any reliable sources that are independent of the organization for material. Lots of Ghits, but they don't seem to be for this specific school, as Immaculate Conception is a common name for parochial schools. Finally, school no longer exists as an independent entity according to the article. Horrorshowj (talk) 21:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. The delete !votes - besides being well outnumbered - have also not established that the topic itself is non-notable. If it needs more references, if it needs some POV fixing, if it needs any sort of clean-up, by all means, hit the "edit this page" button. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy metal fashion[edit]

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This deletion is per the article being in serious violation of WP:OR, WP:NPOV and having no citations/ sources/ references. The article is horrible and (here's my own POV) I think any metal fan would be ashamed of it. It is so completely wrong. Delete! Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note - There is a source, but only one, in the "historical origins" section.Dpmath (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Yeah, it's a reference to an article about Rob Halford being gay...not exactly helpful. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - are those really strong arguments to keep the article? Most of the time policies are used in arguments for or against... ScarianCall me Pat 22:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - No those aren't strong arguments at all. "Fantastic" is POV as I could easily say this article is total lies and crap (and it is). It doesn't matter how long the page has been around, the number of edits on it, or how much it's been viewed. The fact that it's been viewed so much is a bad thing due to what kind of state the article is in. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Yeah, it's really an irrelevant argument. And it's not fantastic at all, the article is an apalling mess. It's that big, and it lacks a single reference. ≈ The Haunted Angel 00:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note - The page does have a single reference. Please familiarize yourself with the page.Dpmath (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Still, one reference is pathetic. ≈ The Haunted Angel 22:31, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I didn't just cite WP:NPOV. Please read the other things. And "culturally relevant" is POV. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Actually, now that you mention it, I am opposed to the existence of the topic as it is arguably non notable (you are either a metal fan or not) and I think it's hideous to have such a topic as an article. That is POV, though. A comprehensive rewrite is not enough. It would be easier to delete it and redo it, if that is what you wanted. The whole article is messed up. Full of weasel words, peacock terms, orginal research, point of view, misinformation and no citations, references or sources. There's no chance of rewriting it. Besides I think article about a certain subculture's attire are inane. The attire or "fashion" is what you make it. Just because there is a thin thread of commnality of "fashion" in a subculture (due to people imitating the bands and such) does not constitute a wikipedia page designed to iterate such said inaneness. It's totally non notable IMO. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note - There is a source. But only one.Dpmath (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The problem is that you can't document it. There is no research on it that is comprehensive. It would be impossible. People would disagree. It's up to the individual. Did I also mention that this article is full of wrong info?
Comment - I think that some aspects of this topic can be documented, regarding origins and influences. I think that "what's cool and what's not among the rocker fans" is what cannot be documented.

Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NOTE - Also, I should point out that there are no fashion articles about such things as rock, emo, pop, country, jazz, etc. There's a reason. There are only a few music fashion articles on wikipedia. Hip-hop fashion, punk fashion and gothic fashion that I can find. All of these should be deleted as well. Same thing with subculture. There is no heavy metal subculture article (as it would be inane), but there is a punk and goth subculture article. Both should also be deleted. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Those books you mentioned talk more about genres, the music of heavy metal and how it developed more than anything else. Some of them may talk slightly about subculture, but I don't think any talk about "fashion." The thing with subculture and fashion is, is that it changes person to person and everyone's interpretation will be different. Therefore it should not be made into an article. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note - This article also breaks WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a primary source nor is it a crystal ball among other things. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 00:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some of them, such as this one very clearly talk about fashion. Have you attempted to find any sources? It is part of Wikipedia guidelines that you do so before nominating an article for deletion on the basis of "no citations/sources". --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 00:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I nominated it for deletion for a number of reasons. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 00:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right, and as others have been pointing out in this discussion, WP:NPOV and WP:OR and "this article is horrible" (all from your initial statement) are reasons to tag or improve an article; they are not reasons to delete an article. It is part of Wikipedia guidelines that you make your own attempt to find sources before nominating an article for deletion and declaring "no sources". Okay, end of lecture. :) --Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 14:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT - I should also point out that having a fashion article about a subculture (one that is still continuing) is unencyclopedic in nature. Everyone has a different perspective of what constitutes "fashion" and it differs from person to person. Therefore it cannot be discussed in an encylopedic way. Everyone's POV is different and will come into effect in this article. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 00:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Note - There is a single reference.Dpmath (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think metalhead deserves to be deleted moreso that heavy metal fashion. --Bardin (talk) 04:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Go discuss it over there. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 08:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Note - There is a single reference.Dpmath (talk) 18:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment I agree, the title should be heavy metal attire or something on those lines. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ kaiden 17:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have changed my vote to delete and merge. I propose that the article be merged with with Heavy Metal for now, and possibly be recreated if more cited text can be added to the topic. Weltanschaunng 09:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment - While the nominator claims that he/she did not know which way the above user would "vote", I feel there might be a cavnassing issue here: [10]. Wisdom89 (T / C) 16:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Sorry but I did'nt CANVASS and your point is totally moot as I asked about 10 people to vote here and most voted for keep. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Agreed. If this article survives, which it looks like it will, I am going to personally go through the article and delete about the whole last half of it among other things.'

Please Note[edit]

IMPORTANT - I'm not sure why people aren't getting this, but let me reiterate. Having a fashion article about a subculture (one that is still continuing) is unencyclopedic in nature. Everyone has a different perspective of what constitutes "fashion" and it differs from person to person. Therefore it cannot be discussed in an encylopedic way. Everyone's POV is different and will come into effect in this article. Secondly, there are no fashion articles about such things as rock, emo, pop, country, jazz, soul, funk, blues, etc and they all have subcultures as well. Should we make a fashion article on all those genres? NO, because it makes no sense, much like this article! Any fashion article about an ongoing subculture perpetuates POV and is non-encyclopedic. Lastly, if this article is kept, as it look like it will be (unbelievably, even though no one's cited pollicies), then I move to rename this article Heavy metal attire as a few users mentioned above. At least we would get rid of the blasphemous "fashion" word. And yes, I always talk with a certain amount of POV on most talk pages, but that doesn't mean that my main points are wrong, damnit. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 18:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you've already made your point. Let the discussion proceed unabated. Wisdom89 (T / C) 19:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot cite WP:POINT to me. Read it, perhaps. I am the one citing policy so it is you that needs to stop bring up your points, if you were making one. I'm not breaking any part of that or any other rule. Pleas stop accusing people Wisdom89. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the salvageable content from this article (if there is any) can be merged to Heavy Metal#Attire. I really don't think it warrants its own article in absence of refs. Just an idea though. Weltanschaunng 19:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps. If the article is kept then I am liable to agree with you. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Note to the nominator. I'm going to ask you politely to please stop canvassing. Thank you. Wisdom89 (T / C) 19:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to strike your comment as you obviously did not read my above response to your ridiculous allegations. Someone already warned me on my talk page and then striked out their own warning after seeing what I actually did and after I explained it. Please read above or my talk page if not satisfied. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 20:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The influence of modern military fashion on heavy metal fashion is significant with metalheads been known to wear modern military clothing like field jackets and articles of camouflage and olive drab green uniforms like shirts and/or trousers to wear alongside their black T-shirts and black combat boots. This influence could be due to the impact of the Vietnam War on popular culture in the United States during the 1970s and the 80's, with images of American Vietnam veterans wearing their old combat uniforms in civilian life, as well as the fresh memories of the conflict were still in the minds of many Americans.

wear modern military clothing like field jackets and articles of camouflage and olive drab green uniforms like shirts and/or trousers to wear alongside their black T-shirts and black combat boots.

As I was saying in my introduction this is one view which can be aquited to America, and my second point this is the 80's. Not when the founders of the fashion were in the 70's.

Furthermore, this article goes away from the 'heavy metal' era and into the modern 'power metal' era in the 90's with blind guardian being primed example in 'other influences'. In Hairstyles they get mixed up between Glam Era and Gothic era amongst others.

Either the article has to change it's name to 'metalhead wear through the ages' or it should be deleted.

--METALFREAK04 (talk) 11:51, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 19:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lords of Thannhausen[edit]

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Delete unsourced one-liner about a noble German family, no indication that this family is notable, whether this is some recognized peerage, a bunch of landowners, or a series of mayors, or what? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uhh, dude. You're an admin. Can't you speedy delete this? Cuz this article definitely fits the criteria of speedy delete. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strictly speaking, it does not meet the speedy criteria due to the fact that being a noble family asserts some sort of notability and the fact that sources have allegedly remained from 1100 which would suggest that there is something notable about a family whose records have (possibly) lasted nearly a thousand years. I'm not sure if sources exist and it is unlikely for there to be online sources, therefore I cannot judge on the notability of this article, as there may or may not be sources regarding this family in book form. (and my German is too poor to go through Google Books :) EJF (talk) 22:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

R.... R.....[edit]

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Unreleased album (crystal ballism) with little or no media coverage and only primary sourcing. Fails WP:MUSIC#Albums. Prod removed without comment. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 21:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Old Forge-Taylor Football Rivalry[edit]

Proposed for deletion, proposal expired without comments, deleted by me. Author contacted me for undeletion (twice, on account of my sloppiness), so I undeleted it. I am nominating it for deletion purely out of procedure. I have no arguments either for or against its deletion. JIP | Talk 20:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Monster Radio RX 93.1. I'm going to redirect the article, and if anyone feels content should be merged, feel free to do so. The people who are wanting to keep make no argument in defence of notability, backed up with reliable sources that the nominator made clear. I decided against an outright delete because many of the people who commented to outright delete held no prejudice to a merge. Ryan Postlethwaite 21:31, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jumpstart (radio show)[edit]

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An article about one radio program in Manila, doesn't appear to assert any notability, or at the very least a reason why it can't be merged into Monster Radio RX 93.1? Author has already claimed he or she will "report it" if it is speedied again (whatever that means). SGGH speak! 20:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bzzt! False dichotomy! Ten-yard penalty. --Calton | Talk 21:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not to mention the fact that Notability is one of the core values that Wikipedia runs on... -- JTHolla! 21:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Like all so-called "policies" on Wikipedia, "Notability" is absolutely non-binding. We're expected to exercise our own judgment based on the given situation, not defer to a bunch of arbitrary and non-binding "rules" and "policies". Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 21:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Except there's absolutely nothing special about this situation that would warrant a special exception. -- JTHolla! 22:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure there is. Well, it's not "special", because it applies to every single subject, but, keeping it in would make the encyclopedia better. That is the fundamental criterion by which all actions must be judged. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 01:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes, I don't like your idea that "notability is one of the core values that Wikipedia runs on" - it's only a guideline. The likes of IAR, NPOV, NOR and V are far more important. Even so, this radio show is not notable and I would endorse either a merge or a delete, whichever there is more consensus for. EJF (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Eh...I would put Notability right up with any of those issues...except maybe NPOV. But whatever.  :) -- JTHolla! 00:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Turning Wikipedia into a undifferentiated bulletin board, directory listing, spam host, or solid mass of crap does not in any way, shape, or form make the encyclopedia better. Time to haul out the Jorge Luis Borges:
...In that Empire, the craft of Cartography attained such Perfection that the Map of a Single province covered the space of an entire City, and the Map of the Empire itself an entire Province. In the course of Time, these Extensive maps were found somehow wanting, and so the College of Cartographers evolved a Map of the Empire that was of the same Scale as the Empire and that coincided with it point for point. Less attentive to the Study of Cartography, succeeding Generations came to judge a map of such Magnitude cumbersome, and, not without Irreverence, they abandoned it to the Rigours of sun and Rain. In the western Deserts, tattered Fragments of the Map are still to be found, Sheltering an occasional Beast or beggar; in the whole Nation, no other relic is left of the Discipline of Geography.
From Travels of Praiseworthy Men (1658) by J. A. Suarez Miranda --Calton | Talk 01:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, my Speedy was upheld yesterday, hence why he remade it. I shall Speedy it again, I suppose. -- JTHolla! 21:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If the show cannot be verified by a 3rd party source, it should be deleted. -- JTHolla! 21:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I stand by my merge considering that no one is disputing the fact that the show exists and is part of the lineup of the radio station. I don't think I made the argument that this was a keep, but you don't need primary sources to prove the show is on the air with this particular station.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 21:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If so, reference it, and it's immediately notable, and verifiable, otherwise, not.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 03:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 15:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ghulam Rasool Dadda[edit]

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Delete Article is unsourced and unreferenced. I cannot find any sources anywhere. Notability not identified Dreamspy (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Can't really dig up much, 18 unique ghits (google search, google scholar gives zero, google groups gives zero, well, I think that's the idea), all are wiki mirrors of one sort or another. I know ghits aren't normally a black-and-white test, but in this case, I think it works fine. And in all honesty, it sounds like a memorial a friend wrote. Yngvarr (c) 20:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. Keilana|Parlez ici 23:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fanny Grace[edit]

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Doesn't seem to be a notable duo in any way. Their only single didn't chart (shame, since it was a good song), and their only album was independently released; they seem to utterly fail WP:MUSIC. Page was apparently deleted before, given the history. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 20:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[[dark.]][[arias.]] (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You do make a good point about this, but we can't have every little thing be in an encyclopedia. I mean we can't have every local high school athlete or every small town band, it would just be too many articles. Hatmatbbat10Talk to me 21:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Too many for what? Disk space? Not relevant. Deleted articles still take up disk space, and this AfD takes up even more disk space. Indexing limits? No. For someone's limited conception of what an "encyclopedia" is, a conception that contradicts Wikipedia advertising? Yes, perhaps. The advertising is "The sum of human knowledge." and "The encyclopedia that anyone can edit." Let me point out that if the fine print differs from what will be common, normal, human interpretation of this, it is going to cause continual trouble and resentment, not only among active editors, but among casual ones, who will simply go away with a very negative impression of Wikipedia. Once again, what is the actual harm of having a sourced, verifiable article on a topic of minor notability? If it is sufficiently notable to meet WP:V, then an article can exist based on what meets that policy. Notability, by the way, contrary to what has been said, is not a policy, it's a guideline. It is not a "core value." The advertising, in fact, reflects core values, adding only one that is also important: verifiability, and we can do a much better job with ensuring that articles are not only verifiable, but actually verified, and this is what will improve our reputation, not getting rid of the details of human knowledge. If you could take a drug that would do that with your knowledge, it would make you notably stupid. (Maybe this explains more than I might imagine!) Notability remains very important as a relative standard for what is placed within articles. There is no absolute standard of notability for human knowledge, except one that every article meets if created in good faith: a human knows it what that human put in the article. I personally gloss "notability" to require that the knowledge be shared, which is covered by WP:V.--Abd (talk) 18:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why can't we have everything in here? Why would that be "too many"? Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 21:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because there's already something with everything in it. It's called the universe. We're a little less ambitious here... Clarityfiend (talk) 22:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. We only aim to create an encyclopedia with "the sum of human knowledge," which is tiny compared to the universe. Truly tiny. Ambitious enough, I say, but some like to be much less ambitious: "the sum of what me and my friends think is important." To each his own, I suppose. But I'll turn around a comment that is often made against inclusionists: why don't they get their own wiki? They can strip it down as much as they like, no fuss. As to our response to that argument, why, what a great idea! It's one of the possible solutions to the disagreement over inclusionism/deletionism, but it is, necessarily, a rather cumbersome one, and could, in fact, threaten the stability of the project. I'm not sure it's the best way to go.--Abd (talk) 18:25, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The universe isn't searchable via software, only hardware. :) Tlogmer ( talk / contributions ) 23:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some parts are searchable that way, and google has no particular trouble finding them, but nothing really obviously stunning crops up when you do that.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 03:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 00:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jessica Utts[edit]

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Inadequately sourced biography on one of the two people who conducted a review of the remote viewing program, after which it was terminated. There were two of them, and it will come as no surprise whatsoever to those who watch the walled garden of articles surrounding RV that only one has a biography, the one who came out as saying that RV exists (which the scientific mainstream say it doesn't). So: this biography, with its tiny few sources, appears to me to exist solely to boost, as with several other deleted biographies of similar lack of sourcing, the remote viewing nonsense. Guy (Help!) 20:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Three, by my count, in that article. Guy (Help!) 21:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OOPS, wrong button, sorry...but I still vote keep due to other things mentioned here. RlevseTalk 23:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shift (video games)[edit]

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Delete Fails WP:RS and WP:N. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 20:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedily deleted as spam --Stephen 00:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Arts and Sciences[edit]

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per talk page of article, seems to be a proposal for field of study for someone's school; just not workable as an article - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I won't ... he's requested a change. I told it would be easier to just start a new account. Daniel Case (talk) 20:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Keilana|Parlez ici 23:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Iowa Alliance for Reformation[edit]

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highly POV; needs serious reworking to identify notability and neutral facts; uncertain if it's worth it - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 19:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Keilana|Parlez ici 23:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Zö Christien[edit]

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Not notable per WP:BIO. Doesn't appear to meet the basic criteria of notability, and being the presenter of television programmes (especially in the cases of several of these programmes where there are multiple presenters) does not automatically confer notability in itself. Consequently doesn't appear to meet the basic criteria or additional criteria of notability per WP:BIO Fritzpoll (talk) 09:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 19:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Re. 'possible vanity article'- bar one other edit, the article's creator has only contributed to this article. There is no bio on the editor's user page and no talk on the talk page. How do we know who created the article? Dreamspy (talk) 11:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The reference refers to her being on the Avago channel. SHe was one of many, many presenters - as such I'm not sure she qualifies as the main presenter of the programme, which diminishes her notability. Fritzpoll (talk) 09:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. I chose not to merge since there was nothing to merge (one sentence), chose not to redirect since I doubt this will actually be typed in ever. Wizardman 23:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heriot-Watt University Students Association[edit]

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Article about a non-notable Students' Union, that doesn't link to any external third-party sources to confirm notability. TalkIslander 19:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is it notable for though? Being a student union? A university with a student union? How is this notable, couldn't this be merged with the university? There's nothing in the article, it's completely empty.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 03:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • While I am not going back on this view, it is clear that this article has not been expanded to the level that many other student union articles have (including several that have been recently brought to AfD and kept). Unless this article is significantly expanded by the time this AfD is closed, I recommend merge to the university article, until such material is found and added there. I would have a go myself, but I am too busy and it would be more time consuming to do it from here in Australia than by someone who had access to libraries in Edinburgh. --Bduke (talk) 23:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. If the article creator wants the information userfied to try and get it to establish notability, then I can do that. Wizardman 19:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moslanka[edit]

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Biased, no third-party sources to establish notability or verify facts. MaxSem(Han shot first!) 19:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pearllysun (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)dear administrator : i really respect your concern that wikipedia must be a place free from spam and add based pages , and since my article has been added to those needed editing / deletion i have completely revised the article with respect to your concern and wikipedia policy , i moreover have removed infos that might look like a promotion or something of some sort of an add , me being a medico never wish to use wikipedia for any wrong intention or any , so i wish to hear from you if my article needs more editing or revision to bring it to encyclopedia standard , i would welcome any type of assistance / mail from you since the same would encourage me and assist me in creating great articles in future and would add boost to my wish to become an administrator in future .[reply]

regards pearllysunPearllysun (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The 'inexperienced contributor' 'willing to co-operate' has been blocked for sockpuppet use, and others have provided evidence that the article was submitted before at different article name.- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 08:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep doesn't seem to be an add support or a sock puppets work , but an inexperienced contributers work .moreover the inexperienced member has shown full support and willingness to if at all edition is needed try negotiating directly first . Heavy-handed approach is not warranted. Бриллиантжемчуг (talk) 15:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. Google cache caught it, see: [14] - (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In fact FWIW it's been deleted 3 times so far: [15]- (User) WolfKeeper (Talk) 22:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I'm not even going to go into details of why I believe it's so ridiculous, because it's self-evident. - Vague handwaving: always a winning rhetorical strategy. --Calton | Talk 23:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sikkimese people[edit]

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Delete unsourced one-liner that the Sikkimese people are those who inhabit the Indian state of Sikkim, not overly encyclopedic, but we can quickly geto 50 more articles by writing identical ones for each US state, and probably run to the next millionth article by doing this with each county's subdivision... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G12. We don't mess around with copyvios folks. You speedy delete first and then bring to AFD if a real article resurfaces and it still doesn't pass muster. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Papadimitriou Dimitris[edit]

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Certainly a fine musician, but too marginal to allow for the construction of a significant article. Current content is a copyvio of http://www.c-alanpublications.com/composers/papadimitriou-dimitris.html but deleting it through AfD rather than copyvio speedy deletion would prevent recreation. Pichpich (talk) 19:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then the article can be turned into an article about him. We don't need to use AfD for that. —BradV 20:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Virtues of Ultima[edit]

Delete due to lack of real-world notability and a lack of reliable third party sources about the subject. Wikipedia is not a game guide or a fan site for in-universe repetition. Coccyx Bloccyx (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 14:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mode magazine[edit]

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Original research about fictional magazine. The first line of the article seems to indicate that there was at some point a magazine with that name, in which case this should be replaced by some stub on the subject. Otherwise, I don't really see why we would leave a redirect to Ugly Betty since this is an unlikely search term. Pichpich (talk) 18:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 00:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marvin Pierce[edit]

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Father of Barbara Pierce, not sufficiently independently notable.--Michael WhiteT·C 18:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC) --Michael WhiteT·C 18:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment So? There are lots of living people in similar positions who we don't and wouldn't have articles on today.--Michael WhiteT·C 19:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I didn't mean it that way, I meant, were we to have this debate about someone of a similar level of importance today, I don't think there would be as much debate as to their notability - disagree? Would we have an article for every publisher of several magazines who is not covered by reliable sources (or at least I can't find any, on Google)? --Michael WhiteT·C 21:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Given when he lived, I wouldn't consider Google to be the likeliest place to find references on him. Building this article past its current stub status is likely going to take someone willing or interested in hitting the stacks in some library. We need to keep and expand this article to combat Recentism See WP:CSB. Caerwine Caer’s whines 23:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What conflict are you alluding to? Wisdom89 (T / C) 19:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. GRBerry 21:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swingfly[edit]

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Procedural nomination. This was previously tagged CSD but doesn't qualify as A7. King of ♠ 06:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 21:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karrox technologies limited[edit]

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Seems like Advertising, Wikipedia is not a directory and according to Wikipedia:Corp there are very little sources. Kingpomba (talk) 11:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 14:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Myers[edit]

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Autobiography/vani-spam for NN person running for Congress in a district in California. If he's elected he'll probably be notable but he hasn't been elected yet. Has done nothing yet that satisfies WP:BIO. A Google search reveals no hits for his name except a couple blog entries and his own website. Wikipedia is not a voter's informational pamphlet. Prod and Prod-2 were removed by an IP addy. IceCreamAntisocial (talk) 17:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agreed with above.Thright (talk) 19:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)thright[reply]


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The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 14:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mynheer[edit]

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This article is just a definition of a word (a Dutch one that is not notable in English). It has also been transliterated here OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 17:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Keilana|Parlez ici 23:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rouge (Sonic The Hedgehog)[edit]

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The article is for a compleatly none notable character, using a dubious name!  Doktor  Wilhelm  17:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment This doesn't even seem like real information, and it's supported by the fact that there's no citations. There's no evidence of the fortune teller's name in any game or official source, not to mention even if there was, the character would fail WP:FICT anyway. This seems to me like an attempt at vandalism by creating an entire article, getting everyone looking up "Rouge", expecting to find Rouge the Bat. But that's just my opinion. Redphoenix526 (Talk) 03:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was No consensus. Keilana|Parlez ici 00:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Florinda (TV series)[edit]

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Article about a Philippine television series that is about to be produced, violating WP:CRYSTAL. Starczamora (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BOT response. Read the article first please. Starczamora (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pot meet kettle. Catchpole (talk) 17:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Keilana|Parlez ici 00:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Wedding (TV series)[edit]

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An article about a Philippine TV series that is about to be produced, violating WP:CRYSTAL. Starczamora (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BOT response. Read the article first please. Starczamora (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was No consensus. Keilana|Parlez ici 01:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My Girl (Philippine TV series)[edit]

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An article about a Philippine TV series that is yet to be produced, violating WP:CRYSTAL. Starczamora (talk) 16:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BOT response. Read the article first please. Starczamora (talk) 17:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This should not be deleted also. Jennyandalizapurok4|Talk 10:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Keilana|Parlez ici 01:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Amnesia (2008 film)[edit]

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An article about an upcoming Philippine movie, that is yet to be produced, violating WP:CRYSTAL. Starczamora (talk) 16:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BOT response. Read the article first please. Starczamora (talk) 17:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I don't think that response is helpful. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

.Tommie —Preceding comment was added at 02:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The source presented does not mainly talk about the movie and merely mentioned Amnesia in passing that the movie will not be produced as soon as possible, as shown in this translation...
Follow-up sa naisulat na report ng PEP (Philippine Entertainment Portal) tungkol sa pelikulang Amnesia starring Marian, Dingdong Dantes, and Iza Calzado. Sigurado pa ring matutuloy ito as one of the scheduled movies of GMA Films, but this will have to wait dahil mas una na palang natanguan ng manager ni Marian na si Popoy Caritativo ang first team-up ng Comedy Kings na sina Dolphy at Vic Sotto sa pelikula.
TRANSLATION... In a follow-up on what Philippine Entertainment Portal reported about the movie Amnesia featuring Marian (Rivera), Dingdong (Dantes), and Iza (Calzado), it is confirmed that it will be one of GMA Films scheduled movies, but this will have to wait because Marian's manager Popoy Caritativo has already nodded on his ward's first team-up movie with Comedy Kings Dolphy and Vic Sotto. Starczamora (talk) 04:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sources need to confirm the start of shooting after shooting has begun. --Howard the Duck 03:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. Wizardman 18:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Culture Killers[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSIC. This is a typical nn band. The references do not assert notability and are not from reliable sources. Shalom (HelloPeace) 16:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Encouraging the use of Wikipedia as a dumping ground/spam site for every half-baked musical act/garage band around does NOT make the encyclopedia better: just the opposite, in fact. --Calton | Talk 21:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How does keeping information out make Wikipedia better? Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 21:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
By not turning Wikipedia into a site where any garage band can put unsupported crap about their upcoming high school gigs. Delete, fails WP:MUSIC. Corvus cornixtalk 23:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with having articles about garage bands and their gigs? Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 01:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then how would we be any different than MySpace? Corvus cornixtalk 01:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For one, because of our focus on NPOV rather than publicity-whoring. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 02:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And how do we ensure NPOV if all of the references are to band-created websites? Corvus cornixtalk 18:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let's keep it friendly now, there's no need to comment on the nominator. The article has been looked at by all the editors who are discussing it in this debate. Secondly, I'm not sure I understand your vote. Are you saying you would like to see the article have more time to be worked on? If this does get deleted, I'm sure no one would be against userfying the content and allowing the creator or other interested editors to improve it. Seraphim♥ Whipp 01:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Userfication is an anti-solution, as it goes against the whole concept of a wiki. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 01:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But if consensus says it's not suitable for main space at present and there is a chance that it can be improved within months, isn't that better than outright deletion? Seraphim♥ Whipp 01:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then consensus is totally ass-backwards. Suitability for mainspace is determined by the subject matter of the article, not the current state of the article. The right solution for a poorly-written article is to leave it in the mainspace so that people can actually find it and fix it! That's how wikis work--it's not really supposed to be one or a few people just work on an article in the skunkworks and then unleash it on the world; rather, it starts out as maybe one or two poorly-written sentences, then as people come along they add their own bits of information, maybe fix some of the prose so it reads better, and over time it grows and improves organically. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 01:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikis don't always work in that way. Take Binh Danh for instance - this article started in my sandbox and was not unleashed into the wiki until I knew it was up to a standard that would pass db-bio criteria. I can't speak for others but I didn't vote delete because of the current state, I voted because of the subject matter. It fails the relevant notability guideline (WP:MUSIC) and that is coupled with the fact that the information isn't verified against any reliable sources. Seraphim♥ Whipp 01:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note The above user is currently involved in a debate regarding vote canvassing at AfD and has copied this same statement to multiple active AfDs. [18] --Torchwood Who? (talk) 23:07, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Klebs Junior[edit]

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I've tried to find notability here, but this is nn. Kingturtle (talk) 16:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 00:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

George Mason Civil Rights Law Journal[edit]

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the current editors do not want a Wikipedia entry Shannonez (talk) 16:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think it's possible that the nominator meant himself as the editor (editor of the article, rather than the editor of the journal). Seing that Shannonez (talk · contribs) is the only contributor to the article so far, he/she can request speedy deletion under WP:CSD#G7. SWik78 (talk) 16:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is a hard one. Although it is not in conflict with wiki policy, it does open wiki up for liable as the content can be used to defame. Due to the nature of this article it will also hold some level of bias. I think the best measure here is to act with caution.Thright (talk) 19:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)thright[reply]
Also, is the article title correct? The website from the article has university in the title. KnightLago (talk) 21:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reply Google Scholar ( scholar.google.com ) has 6 hits for the journal. 2 aren't relevant and 2 are to articles in the journal. Two are citations (with links to further cites). That isn't very impressive for an academic journal but its enough. The journal is notable enough for occcasionally other people in other more notable journals to reference it.Nick Connolly (talk) 01:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(1) You are affiliated with the journal in someway. (2) The journal's website has the name as George Mason University Civil Rights Law Journal. (3) The editors of the journal are irrelevant as to whether or not this merits an article. (4) We agree with you that real legal citations are better than Google. If you read above, you will see that someone asked for a Lexis search. That has not been done yet, so someone quickly ran a Google search. KnightLago (talk) 14:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge/redirect to Dell XPS. Keilana|Parlez ici 01:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dell Inspiron XPS Gen 2/Dell XPS M170[edit]

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Non-notable commercial product. This article is up for merge, but the target article is already a wreck because of original research problems. This article has no references, and has been flagged for merger (for about three months) and for references (for about 10 months) with no substantive improvement. Since unreferenced material must be aggressively removed, the best solution seems to be to delete the article. Mikeblas (talk) 16:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC) Note that this article was previously nominated for deletion. I had expected the aft templates to pick this up, but they're quite broken when used on articles with strokes in their names. -- Mikeblas (talk) 17:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy delete this version of the article, because of hoax content. Addhoc (talk) 18:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forrest Peterman[edit]

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Borderline notability (WP:N); requires immediate referencing or removal, per WP:BLP. Some references without in-line citations are shown, but it's unclear how they are related ("Mein Kampf"?!) Marasmusine (talk) 15:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete: as an unreferenced BLP. I had tagged it for speedy under A7, after being unsure if it really qualified for G10. Certainly BLP violation. Toddst1 (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: not notable minor fictional character in Seinfeld, currently with false info Toddst1 (talk) 13:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hoax? and the book on slaughterhouses refrenced, was written by 'a bullock'. hmmmmmmNick Connolly (talk) 18:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See Nominative Determinism [23] ("the tendency of people to gravitate towards areas of work that fit their surname") :> Marasmusine (talk) 18:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Add another quote from the article to the list of quotes from Tim McGraw. Everyone should have their own opinion and be able to voice it... is also taken from here. SWik78 (talk) 20:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 00:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James H. Wear[edit]

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Ancestor of the Bush family whose only real claim to notability is being director of the St. Louis National Bank. Is that enough? I am neutral. --Michael WhiteT·C 15:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep diffently enough! There are many articles that should go before this one.Thright (talk) 19:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)thright[reply]

*Delete, The St. Louis National Bank isn't notable, and there are thousands of banks and therefore thousands of bank directors. I also don't think every distant member of the Bush family deserves an article simply for being a Bush. KnightLago (talk) 21:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep, knowing that certainly changes things, nice find. KnightLago (talk) 21:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:04, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish auction[edit]

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The article describes a type of auction, invented by a Swedish real estate broker, see promotional material http://www.swedeauction.se (for example see here). The only active use of this type of auction appears to be via swedeauction.se. No reference shows that this type of auction is in active use in Sweden. No reference is given to some material in English. The only credible reference is to a Swedish handbook, where this method is described as a experimental method worth trying; Zacharias, Claude (2001). Some references are given to newspaper articles - probably created as a result of promotional efforts by the inventor.

The similar page Swedeauction has already been deleted, see [24] Ulner (talk) 15:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. - Milk's Favorite Cookie 00:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bura-Chaty[edit]

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No reason given for notability. Citation of WP:NPT in favour however no criteria in it passed. Suggest deletion under WP:N and WP:NOT BigHairRef | Talk 00:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See also discussion on mine and another's talk page for an opposed view. BigHairRef | Talk 00:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dictionary of Words in the Wild[edit]

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Not quite notable, and not cited. Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 23:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

EC (programming language)[edit]

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No evidence of notability. Creator(s) apparently sock-puppets based on November 18 edit history (not confirmed). Apparent advertising or vanity article. Foggy Morning (talk) 03:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete if the information is already covered there is no merge to do. Spartaz Humbug! 22:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysia Airlines destinations from Kuching International Airport[edit]

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Squarely goes against WP:NOT#TRAVEL. Info is covered already in Malaysia Airlines destinations and Kuching International Airport articles. Russavia (talk) 20:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stowic poetry[edit]

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Concerns a non-notable poet (all refs found are self published on lulu.com); the actual article is unreferenced, most likely original research, and either it's a hoax or the quotations are a copyright violation. PROD removed by the author without explanation. Ros0709 (talk) 15:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Article deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daemonicflame (talkcontribs) 10:39, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John James Holliday[edit]

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  • That would be a "her", then, not a "him", yes? Powers T 19:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, I guess I didn't parse what Carter was saying well enough, you know how that happens? --Michael WhiteT·C 22:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Scott Draves[edit]

The result was keep. per WP:SNOW non-admin close - Milk's Favorite Cookie 02:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The article raises notability concerns due to the irrelevant subject matter and is blatant self promotion, vanity and hawking of wares. There are violations of NPOV and COI since Scott Draves wrote the article about himself. Linking to his own websites draves.org and scottdraves.com is gross abuse of Wikipedia.--Editor5435 (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Linking to his own websites..." No, it is not gross abuse, nor is it reason to delete an article. If you think there's been a problem that hasn't already been resolved, report it at WT:WPSPAM. --Ronz (talk) 01:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How strange it is that you apply the opposite to other articles you involve yourself in. You recently trashed an entire article over an issue with a single link. I feel like restoring the link I voluntarily removed. If you delete I again I will make a complaint. You should be unbiased in your editing activities.--Editor5435 (talk) 23:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please help list the individual references in Talk:Scott_Draves#Notable? so they can be reviewed by others for possible inclusion. --Ronz (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ronz, I made a list of about 20 good sources. If anyone is not convinced please let me know what you need to hear and maybe I can find it. It would be great if the bio page could be expanded to include them, of course I can't do it. Spot (talk) 07:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A conflict of interest by an editor is not reason to delete an article. --Ronz (talk) 17:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article lacks notability, its irrelevant, there is no reason for it to exist in Wikipedia.--Editor5435 (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See Talk:Scott_Draves#Notable?, because we are quickly coming up with enough sources to show notability per WP:BIO. --Ronz (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Uhhhhhh, Editor5435, you don't get a vote. You nominated it for deletion. OF COURSE you want it deleted. So, without your vote, nobody else thinks it should be deleted. I think that unless you can find somebody else you agrees with you, we should write this one off to sour grapes and resolve this to a speedy keep. RussNelson (talk) 04:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


- isabelwh

-kenny s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.172.80 (talk) 11:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Karjala[edit]

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This article looks like it just restates info available on a personal website. I can't really see why this person is notable. Also, it looks like every paragraph starts with "he claims", without listing any secondary sources. Tnxman307 (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Karjala is a whisleblower who reported fraud inside the mega-ministry Focus on the Family. You can verify Karjala's employment by contacting the human resources department at Focus. You can verify that he was not fired. By contacting Focus you can also verify that the organization has doubts about the Tom Papania audio testimony it once sold. This Wikepedia article is relaying disinformation and takes Karjala out of context and doesn't accurately portray the real reporting and ministry of Karjala, nor does it cite the sources for information Karjala quotes on his web pages. Examine the Tom Papania Wikepedia article to find the source of the disinformation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthteller0717 (talk • contribs)

Do you have any sources that don't involve conducting original research? Powers T 12:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone has slandered Karjala by claiming he was fired from Focus on the Family. Why is that unverified claim not yet removed? Reporting fraud within a major "evangelical" organization is not notable? This from the Wikepedia folks who give space to trivial celebrity figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.187.232 (talk) 01:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Being reported as having been fired from Focus on the Family is hardly slander. As for notability, if you can find reliable, independent sources that indicate notability, please provide them. Powers T 02:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Writing that someone was fired for behavioral issues is slander when it is not true. I guess truth is irrelevant to Wikepedia. Just delete the article. It was created by an enemy of Brian Karjala. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.187.232 (talk) 02:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look, if you're really concerned about possible slander, drop a note at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. This isn't the best forum for such concerns. This is here just to decide if we need an article on this person. If you feel we do, then just provide some reliable sources that indicate notability. That's all you have to do. Powers T 13:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Videoecology[edit]

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The study of "interactions of human and visual environment". To judge by the references, only Vasiliy Filin uses this term. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 13:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 13:56, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was withdrawn by nom. Non-admin closure. – sgeureka tc 19:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Rugrats characters[edit]

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All information is already included in the main Rugrats article. So my vote is: Delete TheProf | Talk 13:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Snthdiueoa (talk) 13:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do Not Delete Garr1984 (talk) 02:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If this article is not deleted, another editor is going to remove the character section of the main Rugrats article. Without it, that article is going to look terrible! Because basically, it will have very little notable content left. Thanks TheProf | Talk 14:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The content in the Rugrats article not currently in this article can be merged here. A ((main)) template can be left in the Rugrats article pointing to this one, like the one seen here: The Simpsons#Characters. And I have to disagree with Quasirandom's idea of the "growing consensus." --Pixelface (talk) 16:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, if this article survives the AfD vote, which it looks like it will! I will edit the character section in Rugrats in the same style as The Simpson. Thanks TheProf | Talk 18:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You can, if you want to, withdraw this AfD nomination, and start reworking the character section in the main article right now. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to this. – sgeureka tc 18:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd love to withdraw this Afd. However, i don't know how! Maybe an admin should now close this vote. TheProf | Talk 19:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was moved to userspace by author, and blanked. Non-admin closure. --Dhartung | Talk 09:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dario de Judicibus[edit]

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Dear Sir,

since it looks like several people think that the article at issue should not be in this Wikipedia, I removed the page myself. I moved it in my personal user page and I removed also the automatic redirection from the original article so that it cannot be indexed or searched anymore in Wikipedia.en. I assume this is absolutely correct according to Wikipedia rules.

I do not want to debate about the existence of that page in Wikipedia nor to criticize the opinion of people here, but I was really disappointed by the fact that someone said that I was not a writer or that I never published the books I wrote. I do not think it is correct.

So I took this decision. Thank you everybody. Regards --Dejudicibus (talk) 09:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's really time to delete ALL the post about M. de judicibus (in french, english and italian). please do it to ensure the full credibility to our favorite encyclopedia 90.33.77.151 (talk) 13:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC) Text copied from article talk page. ➨ REDVEЯS dreamt about you last night 13:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, the original article in Italian was NOT written by me, but by a reader of my books. Then, it was completely changed by other wikipedians. I translated the resulting Italian page to English only. As far as linking the article may concern, since the articles exist, I see no reason why I should not link them. For the same reason I link my LinkedIn profile. I am often interviewed by journalists and I found simpler to tell them to look at Wikipedia when they ask for details about me. Vanity is to say that I am the best writer of the world, or that I am a great journalist. I never said that. I do my honest job and that's all. In any case, before you judge me, you should at least read my works.--Dejudicibus (talk) 17:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Version vom 18:58, 30. Nov. 2007 (Bearbeiten) (rückgängig) Logograph (Diskussion | Beiträge) K (hat „Dario de Judicibus“ nach „Benutzer:Fragola70/DdJ“ verschoben: zur Überarbeitung) http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer:Fragola70/Dario_de_Judicibus&diff=39547921&oldid=39547917 --82.120.58.56 (talk) 07:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear sir,

I received just now a request to reply to a request of deletion in this page. I read what you wrote and it is absolutely false. Here is the list of my publications:

BOOKS
Dario de Judicibus: La Lama Nera, Gruppo Editoriale Armenia, 2006, ISBN 88-344-1882-4
Dario de Judicibus: Le 10 Regole per Vivere Sereni, Gruppo Editoriale Armenia, 2005, ISBN 88-344-1803-4
Dario de Judicibus: Le 10 Regole dei Buoni Genitori, Gruppo Editoriale Armenia, 2003, ISBN 88-344-1505-1
Dario de Judicibus: TCP/IP in Pillole 2a Edizione, Tecniche Nuove, 2002, ISBN 88-481-1441-5
Dario de Judicibus: XML in 6 ore, Tecniche Nuove, 2000, ISBN 88-481-1098-3
Dario de Judicibus: TCP/IP in pillole, Tecniche Nuove, 1999, ISBN 88-481-0798-2

ARTICLES ON MAGAZINES
Dario de Judicibus: 9 articoli, Tecniche Nuove, in: Internet.Pro, 2005-2006, ISSN 1824-8403
Dario de Judicibus: 136 articoli, Tecniche Nuove, in: Internet News, 1996-2003, ISSN 1123-6027
Dario de Judicibus: 5 articoli, Tecniche Nuove, in: e-business News, 2000-2002, ISSN 1590-0355
Dario de Judicibus: 45 articoli, MC, in: MC Microcomputer, 1988-1992, ISSN 1123-2714

OTHER ARTICLES (NEWSPAPER AND TECHNICAL)
Dario de Judicibus, Paolo Gerosa: Il valore della gestione elettronica dei documenti, 
FileNET, in: iged.it, 2007, ISSN 1720-6618
Dario de Judicibus: La riforma dell'affido, Avvenire S.p.A., in: Avvenire, 2003
Dario de Judicibus: Knowledge Extended Framework, IBM Technical Bulletin, in: FR8-2002-0119, 2003
Dario de Judicibus: Il ruolo della tecnologia nella gestione della risorsa più preziosa: il tempo,
Edizioni Ritman, in: Logistica Management, 2003, ISSN 1120-3587
Dario de Judicibus: Quando le comunità si fondono: il caso Nextra, IBM, in: OL3, 2002
Dario de Judicibus: La gestione della conoscenza, FileNET, in: iged.it, 2002, ISSN 1720-6618
Dario de Judicibus: Deep-flat Connectors (DFCs), IBM Technical Bulletin, in: GB8-2000-0150, 2001
Dario de Judicibus: Vivilmare 2000, IschiaPrint S.r.l., in: Il Golfo, 2000
Dario de Judicibus: Intellectual Capital Management, IBM, in: Read.me Magazine, 1998
Dario de Judicibus: Reuse Overview, Reuse Technology Support Center, in: Z325-0700-01, 1994
Dario de Judicibus, Susan Henshaw: Expanding a field to fill in more information or clarify its content,
IBM Technical Bulletin, in: RA8-92-0194, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Re-engineering the Software Development Process, 
IBM Reuse Technology Support Center paper, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Stacked shells, a multiple workplace shell environment, 
IBM Technical Bulletin, in: IT8-93-0006, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Reuse: A Cultural Change, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, 
in: International Workshop on Systematic Reuse, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Hypercode: an hypertext approach to programming, IBM, in: SOFT-HYCD-04, 1993
Dario de Judicibus: Lo sviluppo industriale del software., IBM Foundation, 
in: I seminari organizzati, 1989
Dario de Judicibus: Object-Oriented Cookbook: The organization of OO in IBM, IBM, in: OOPS-9005-01, 1990 
R. Nernst, Dario de Judicibus, et al.: OBSERVATION OF THREE P STATES IN THE RADIATIVE DECAY 
OF UPSILON (2S)
American Physics Society, in: Phys.Rev.Lett.54:2195,1985, 1985, ISSN SLAC-PUB-3571
D.P. Barber, Dario de Judicibus, et al.: A PRECISION MEASUREMENT OF THE UPSILON-PRIME MESON MASS, 
American Physics Society, in: Phys.Lett.135B:498,1984, 1983, ISSN DESY 83-067

As you can see I wrote about 200 articles on monthly magazines, so I am a journalist. I also published five books (not self-publishing!) with very well known publishers in Italy (not minor ones) and I am going to publish a sixth one and writing a seventh one (for one of the major publishers in Italy). So I am a writer. I work for IBM since 1986 and I have a reputation of expert in knowledge management and social networking.

Now, I do not care if you decide to keep me in Wikipedia or not. It is up to wikipedians to decide. I am a wikipedian just to contribute for what I know (articles on Italy and on KM, Web 2.0, semantic web, and so forth) and because I believe in Free Internet. But for NO REASON I will accept that someone may say that I am an usurpator. I hope I was very clear. --Dejudicibus (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You probably used one of the many search engines for ISBN which are based on Amazon. Amazon is providing this service to many sites. However Amazon does not exist in Italy (but it exists in Germany and in France) and you will hardly find ISBN which begins by 88. You have to search in the equivalent of Amazon in Italy like BOL or IBS. You will surely find at least the most recent titles. The XML book is no mor ein catalog since was written many years ago and XML evolved since them. I was writing a new essay but I got a contact with the biggest publisher in Italy and I have a chance to publish a book with it, so I changed my priorities. You can find the covers of my book in one of the social network I attend, NING Publishe Authors. The problem of non English authors is that Internet is more and more the favorite choice of everybody to find info, and most Internet is in English. English is killing the other languages, especially those like Italian are not spoken in many other countries. In few dozens of years only few languages will survive, surely English and Chinese, probably Spanish and French. Even German and Russian are in danger. If you do not write books or articles in English, or sing in English, you risk to disappear. There are a lot of great singers in Italy, France, German, and other European countries that are mostly unknown in the rest of world because they sing in their own language. Wikipedia was great because is one of the few multilanguage initiatives in the web, but it is not only important to have encyclopedias in various languages, but to have multicultural content. If Wikipedia will use as a criteria how much is "famous" somebody in world, soon or later all artists which do not express themselves in English (but the historical ones) will disappear. It is a problem that is not very well known in the English blogsphere, but it is really critical. Just think that if a book writer in Italy sell 100.000 copies is a success like an American author to sell 10.000.000 copies. You can easily understand why more and more Italian singers are singing in English today. The problem for book authors is that if English is not your native language you cannot compete with native writers. But this is a long story and it is not the right place to speak about. In any case, if you still have problem to find my books, I am available to provide links to bookshop catalogs, but privately because this is not the right place to put links to commercial sites.--Dejudicibus (talk) 22:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This person is simply an usurpator : he is neither a journalist (cf. hte previous posts), nor a real author (absolutely not published, no books, no ibsn,...), just a self proclaimed so called web expert ! a blogger beyon millions of other public bloggers !

  1. Every expert can (and usually have to) publish articles in magazines and journal (ISSN). That does not mean the expert is a journalist
  2. You mention your five books. I've made many search on IBSN databases and well-known libraries unsuccessfully. That's the reason of the doubt I've raised about the work may be not published or self published
  3. Should you have written published books, that's not enough to be considered as a relevant wikipedia entry. If all the authors with well know IBSN works, even reference books for famed universities and libraries should be mentioned as well-known authors, considered as major event of their birth year and birth date, we would have a proliferation of wikipedia information and thereby a less relevant quality of the information. As an expert of KM you should understand what I mean....--195.68.44.206 (talk) 19:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I do not want to debate about the fact that my name should be or not in Wikipedia. This is something that has to be decided by Wikipedians. It is not suitable that I speak to defend that page. This is not the way Wikipedia works. Everybody should judge independently. The only criteria is consistency. For example, if someone decides that you must have at least 4 published paper books to be here, that criterion should apply to everybody. But I suppose that good criteria cannot be simply based only on number of publications. As you correctly said, every expert writes many articles in technical journal. However the magazines where I wrote were not technical journals but magazines like BYTE or PC Professional. 200 articles on monthly magazines are a lot of years of collaboration with national-wide publications. I undestand, not so famous as BYTE, but they are Italian one only. Sorry. Not my fault. About ISBN I already replied to you in the previous section. I am honestly worried by what you said, because it is a signal of what's happening. Not your fault of course. You rely on Internet and site like Amazon. Amazon and other reliable sites do not index most of Italian books, you do not find the book, so the book does not exist. So, simply because they are not interested to Italian market establish if a book exists or not. I understand how difficult is to let English people how discouraging is that. Thank's God Italian Wikipedia ha a lot of contributes, but what will happen if we slow down to maintain it? What will happen if Italian wikipedians will stop adding contributes. Today it is that which tell you if your culture exists or not. The day an Italian Wikipedia will disappear, the only Italian people you'll find in the English one will be Dante or Pavarotti, probably. Still today, if you ask an America person the name of an Italian modern singer, they will mention Modugno!!! No mention of De André, De Gregori, Dalla, Guccini, Britti, Povia, and many others. If we disappear from search engines, we will disappear from history. Funny :( --Dejudicibus (talk) 22:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Patrick Joseph Meehan[edit]

The result was Nomination withdrawn. Non-admin closure. Snthdiueoa (talk) 17:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Joseph Meehan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Delete Contested prod. Google search shows only 7 ghits outside wikipedia [26]. No significant coverage in secondary or third party reliable source. Fails WP:RS and WP:BIO. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 13:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep According to Wikipedia guidelines on notability, the following persons are generally notable: "Politicians who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature." So, given the importance of the UK, I would argue that all members of the UK House of Commons, at least within the 20th and 21st centuries, are inherently notable. Ghits are not always a useful guide. PatGallacher (talk) 13:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per PatGallacher. However, it does need some references: at the very least there must be a link to something about him somewhere on the UK Parliament website. Snthdiueoa (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable per WP:BIO (service in national elected body). Google Book source. --Michael WhiteT·C 15:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am withdrawing my nom per the above arguments. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was No consensus. Keilana|Parlez ici 01:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mondo Cane (album)[edit]

Mondo Cane (album) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Unreleased album (crystal ballism) with little or no media coverage. Fails WP:MUSIC#Albums. Prod removed under the (mistaken) assumption that an album by a notable artist is automatically notable. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 12:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have most of that I think. I'll find some more sources if you like, what specifically should I look for? Pwrong (talk) 15:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In the one reference given, the album in question receives a proportionately small amount of coverage (compared to the entire interview). In fact, it reads to me that he plans on calling the project Mondo Cane but is unsure if he'll use it for the album title as well ("I'm not quite sure what I'm going to call the album, but that's the name of the project and I think I'm going to stick with it."). To show notability there needs to be significant (non-trivial) coverage in independent sources. While the interview given as a references helps establish verifiability, it's not enough for notability. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 16:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 22:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pokémon (subculture)[edit]

Pokémon (subculture) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

Notability problem? - Face 12:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I understand those Spanish sources enough to see that the kids are being described as the "pokemones" rather than the Nintendo characters. However, yes, I created the article without fully understanding this thing. I do not live in Chile, I just have a friend who does. I would really like someone to try and improve this article by using those video sources from TVN. As far as "notability" goes, wouldn't that be determined by the mention in several reliable, notable, third-party sources? Esn (talk) 12:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not the news. We do not repeat every Chilean 2-minute "OMG look how kids are dressing these days" news clips. --Cheeser1 (talk) 12:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we do, if it meets the notablity guidelines.. and for someone that doesn't speak spanish to be given bearly two hours to track down sources is ridiculous. Fosnez (talk) 12:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: actually, Cheeser1 nominated it for speedy deletion only 23 minutes after its creation. The AFD nomination came later. Esn (talk) 13:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's what people do when articles fail our criteria for inclusion. There is no grace period for new articles. Either they are acceptable or they aren't. Furthermore, Fosnez missed the fact that this was in discussion long before this article was created because this is a fork of some unencyclopedic content from the main Pokemon article. --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: When it was on the main Pokemon page, only the China Daily article had been found. I found the TVN reports just before I created the article. However, I'd say that even the China Daily article has some relevant sections. Esn (talk) 13:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sections??? It's six pictures and no news story. What sections are you talking about?? The captions are virtually identical, and at most they establish one thing: kids in Chile dress crazy (gosh, don't kids everywhere do that?) and have goofy names for their cliques (also ubiquitous). --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's a short article, but it goes like this (along with captions for individual pictures): Pokemon, the popular Japanese series of cartoon characters whose name comes from the combination of the words "pocket" and "monster", is the most popular new wave among the Chilean youth, who dress and make up their hair accordingly and gather at afternoon reggaeton dance parties. 1) A Chilean girl dressed in a style known as Pokemon poses at a public square in Santiago. 2) A member of a group known as Pokemon combs his friend's hair outside a subway station in Santiago 3) Youths following a style known as Pokemon dance in a discotheque in Santiago 4) Members of a group known as Pokemon gather outside a discotheque in Santiago Esn (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the pictures showed quite large groups of people. Obviously it is very short, but it comes from a very notable source. I thought that this would be enough to hold the article over until more sources came along. Then I found the TVN sources, which seemed to confirm it. Esn (talk) 13:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've already explained to you once that you are completely misunderstanding notability, which has nothing to do with sources. Please familiarize yourself with policy before citing it. --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant coverage in two TV news reports found so far and an article in China Daily. Isn't that enough for now? And besides, notability alone should never be the sole reason for deleting an article; it is a guideline, not a policy. Especially when some reliable third-party sources do consider this notable. Esn (talk) 13:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
notability alone should never be the sole reason for deleting an article - clearly you are unfamiliar with the AfD process. --Cheeser1 (talk) 14:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the creator of an article doesn't fully understand the AfD process (due to being away from the wiki for a couple of months and forgetting some basic rules) is irrelevant to the AfD process in question, because the wealth of sources which were recently found already indicate notability. Esn (talk) 01:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Bloody hell I have walked into the middle of a shitfight here havn't I! Fosnez (talk) 13:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (edit conflict) Well, that's exactly why I made this nomination: to have others take a (neutral) look at it. We need some calm water here. - Face 13:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Chester1 Cheeser1 has already accused me of it on that talk page, so I'll defend myself here: It was not my intention to disrupt wikipedia to illustrate a point. The reason I created this article (and abandoned trying to add it to the main Pokemon article) was because Chester1 Cheeser1 said that the notability guidelines apply only to articles, not to portions of articles. I assumed he meant that he did not want this in the Pokemon article because it was unrelated to the Nintendo characters, which is why I decided to start a new article and not attempt to add this information to the existing article. I had a fairly good notion that he would try to delete it as soon as he saw it, but I figured that AFD would be a great way to improve this article; to get many different people to look at it (functionally, this is often the best use of AFD; it gets many people to look at an article who would otherwise not have bothered). So, if anything, I was trying to improve wikipedia, not disrupt it. Esn (talk) 13:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The AfD process is not the place for you to seek help in improving this "article." Also, please take the time to spell my name correctly. If you don't want to look like you're disrupting Wikipedia, don't take obviously hypothetical suggestions like "you may as well create a Pokemon subculture article" as your opportunity to say Ok, you win. I'll just quietly disappear now... From this article, anyway. (Ellipses added since you added the second part later.) That's plenty more than I had to say on this matter. --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
With all do respect Cheeser, but I do think you could use a small break. You sound pretty frustrated. - Face 13:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's a bit frustrating when the consensus on the Pokemon article was that this was unsubstantiated, non-notable, unencyclopedic musings, but when it gets forked away from that consensus and I bother to try to fix the situation, I get the run around as if I'm persecuting this poor subculture. This "article" is nonsense, it has on content, no context, no verifiability, no encyclopedic merit and was created when somebody decided to fork out nonsense content from the original Pokemon article when consensus determined that not only was it not Wiki-worthy, it had nothing to do with that article. If that's not a reason to delete an article, I don't know what is. --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There was no consensus, Cheeser1. You were against including it, I was for, and two other people weren't sure. Esn (talk) 13:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I'm sorry about the name - this was not intentional. Keep in mind that I may well have found a different way to improve this article had you not immediately nominated it for CSD. I would have called in some editors who understood Spanish and asked for their help. I honestly thought that the article, stubbish as it was, had enough reliable sources to survive until that time. I didn't think that your suggestion was hypothetical; I realized that you were being sarcastic, but I also thought that it could be a good idea. I did briefly decide to just forget about this, but I changed my mind a bit later. I do stand by the other part of what I said, though: I won't attempt to edit the main Pokemon article. Esn (talk) 13:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"I can back this up with anecdotes because I live there" is not a valid keep rationale. --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can you tell us what they're saying in those two sources from TVN, Gorgonzola? Esn (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think we have to wait for that translation, as Gorgonzola/Bukharin said that he/she hasn't got the time now. - Face 13:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to direct all participants to Gorgonzola's recent comments on the talk page (13:56, 10 March 2008). Esn (talk) 14:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Found another source by googling "pokemones" and "pelolais". This one is from Canal 13 (Chile). It describes them as one of Chile's "urban tribes": "The Pokemones dress very similar to those Emos. Pants fallen very, very produced hairstyles and haircuts that seem tijereteados, chaquillas chuecas and much gel, but unlike the Emos are not depressive enjoy the holidays and reggaeton." Esn (talk) 14:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A great source. Emos are depressive and They call themselves Emos because they are very connected to their emotions, on the verge of depression. That's obviously a highly reliable source. Those are the kinds of sources that were summarily rejected when Emo (subculture) was not only consensus-backed as "do not create" but Emo (slang) was deleted entirely. And at least that one had more sources. --Cheeser1 (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted? Hmm, ok. Well, although this is apparently Chile's 2nd largest TV station, it does look a lot like MTV (that is, very "pop" and not very reliable). Well, I'll try to find something else Esn (talk) 14:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And who ever said that it did? This is not an article about the Nintendo franchise.Esn (talk) 14:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Read his first comment. --Cheeser1 (talk) 14:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just because one topic has the same name as another one else does not mean that an article shouldn't exist about it. Pixelface, I don't think that this is enough justification. Esn (talk) 14:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This page at chinadaily.com say "Youths following a style known as Pokemon dance in a discotheque in Santiago January 16, 2008. Pokemon, the popular Japanese series of cartoon characters whose name comes from the combination of the words "pocket" and "monster", is the most popular new wave among the Chilean youth, who dress and make up their hair accordingly and gather at afternoon reggaeton dance parties." Is the name of this subculture pronounced differently? I have to say I'm a bit confused here. What is this article talking about and where does the information come from? --Pixelface (talk) 14:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here, I just found this article. That should clear it up a little. It's, according to that article, currently the most widespread of Chile's urban tribes. Esn (talk) 14:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It has been determined time and again that journalists are poor sociologists. "Most widespread" requires more than speculation. How did they determine that? When? Compared to what? Urban tribe, subculture, and who is this person writing the article? Do they have the authority to make claims about sociology? Is this the same person who's going to tell us that emos worship death? Because I'll find you a newspaper article for that one if you want. --Cheeser1 (talk) 14:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll try and correct that. I also found a Reuters article. Esn (talk) 14:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I don't think we'll find many English sources, for the simple reason that this is an important yet local phenomenon within a small country whose main language is not English. Google does an OK job of translating the Spanish articles, though. Esn (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment OK folks, I'm taking a break. Hopefully this article can survive for the next 24 hours or so without me. :) Esn (talk) 15:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Ok, sorry folks, last comment for a while... I found a few more potential noteworthy articles (I'm not sure yet which of them would actually be considered notable): [27], [28], [29]. (that last one looks rather ominous...) Esn (talk) 16:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: some sources, two minutes googling in chilean media:

http://www.universia.cl/portada/actualidad/noticia_actualidad.jsp?noticia=127020

http://www.lun.com/modulos/catalogo/paginas/2008/01/28/LUCSTDI02LU2801.htm

http://www.wikipediars.com/wiki/Plan_anti_poke-eva

http://enbocadetodos.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/pokemones/

Now, from my "personal experience"... This is not just "another teen trend". believe me, chilean teens love fashion trends, and every year theres is a new one (sk8ers, raperos, hardcores, capoeiristas, lanas, etc), but i had never seen a teen trend that 1.- is so clearly the result of media pushed stereotyping, 2.- has incited such a deep and heated moral debate about the sexual habits of our youth 3.- has sparked concerted campaigns to take violent action *purely* on the basis of style and fashion reassons, as opposed to political reassons, like the traditional beatings of punks and neonazis. I can translate the above if necessary, and if i find the time. Gorgonzola (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kids get beat up for how they dress. That's new? --Cheeser1 (talk) 16:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I will again reiterate that this reeks of Emo (slang), which was deleted by consensus as a nonsense WP:OR/WP:SYNTH-fest. I'm so bothered by how this article should have been nipped in the bud when somebody said "hey, let's not put this nonsense into the Pokemon article" and instead we've got a big, growing pile of "this is a subculture, look at how many news articles about it we can find" nevermind how reliable or sociologically sound those journalists / bloggers happen to be. --Cheeser1 (talk) 16:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
so your argument for deletion is? this is a chilean subculture. How is that in itself reason enough to delete it? there are plenty of good and pertinent articles about subcultures, like casuals, chav,gamer,hipster, juggalo (!), lad culture, lolitas, otakus, pachuco, preppy, teddy boy, teenybopper, wigger, etc. THIS IS GOOD! Subcultures are part of human knowledge, and having entries for them in an encyclopedia does not make such encyclopedia a database.
even although i believe that as a subculture it has enough notability, i also think that this particular subculture is even more interesting because of the impact it has had in chilean media and society in general.
all the above has been supported with sources that prove that this is not my personal experience only, although i believe that, as a chilean, my personal experience can be of help to put the article together and look for further references.
so please, what are the reassons that make this particular subculture article a suitable candidate for deletion?
Gorgonzola (talk) 18:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In response to Cheeser1: Has the U.S. government started a campaign to stop discrimination against emos? If so, you'd have a comparison. Second of all, I'll note that the person who said "hey, let's not put this nonsense into the Pokemon article" was you, and the emo article still has a section about the recent usage of the word, despite, I'm assuming, your best efforts. You still haven't said how this differs from other subculture articles which Gorgonzola mentioned above. Esn (talk) 17:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's not directly related to the Nintendo characters. The word just somehow ended up getting applied to them, apparently first as an insult and then as an accepted description. Esn (talk) 17:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Naming is a bit tricky. The only English-language source says "a style known as Pokemon" (yes, the accent on the "e" will have to go in any case). "Pokemones" is used only in Spanish so far, so we'd be creating a new English word if we were to call it that. We could possibly make clear in the article that they are called "Pokemones" in Spanish. Question for Spanish-speakers: is the normal plural for "Pokemon" in Spanish also "Pokemon"? Esn (talk) 03:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment with reagrds to the japanese anime, at least in chile, they are pronounced with an emphasis in the last sylable, wich would normally be written with an accent, according to the spanish rules af written accentuation (acute word ending in N). Since this is a proper name, normal rules wouldn't apply, so the name of the series is written however the producers want to write it in romaji, i guess. I don't know anything about the plural, i think i have never heard of it, but i can find out. NOTE: i'm no language expert. I'm no pokemon (anime) expert either.
With regards to the chilean subculture, in wich the word has lost its semantic relation to the original meaning, and we would be in presence of a neologism, the correct spealling would be "Pokemón", plural "Pokemones", because being that this is a generic term and no longer a proper noun, normal rules of accentuation should come into effect.
Finally, i am not sure if the article should be titled "pokemón (subculture)" or "pokemones (subculture)". A thik the first is correct, in keeping consistency with other subculture articles.
Coincidentally, i happen to know a chilean linguist specialized in phonetics. i'll see if i can get him to take a look at this. ps: should we talk this here or in the article talk page?. Gorgonzola (talk) 12:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is an issue for the talk page. This discussion is just for keeping or removing the content. Powers T 14:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. Non-notable on its own, and the information is already available at Grayson Space Navy; no-one is going to be typing in this article name as a search. What I have done, though, is to alter the High Admiral dab page to direct the reader to the above. Black Kite 18:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

High Admiral (Honorverse)[edit]

High Admiral (Honorverse) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

A fictional rank whose definition is apparent from name, unsourced, non-notable plot summary. No independent notability (WP:N), does not follow WP:WAF. Written from a in universe perspective. (Was a prod, but has previously been deleted via prod.) Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 12:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The entire article says, "High Admiral is the rank of the Military Commander of the Grayson Space Navy." Well duh, an Admiral is the rank of the Military Commander in navies. The rest of the article talks about Wesley Matthews who could have his own page that could say the same thing. Therefore it is "[a] fictional rank whose definition is apparent from name[.]" Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 18:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article is a mere two days old. We should not expect it to have to be more than a stub but two days after its creation. Look at how this article looked when first created versus its Mario current version. It usually takes time for editors to write and revise good articles. Two days is not a reasonable amount of time to allow readers for something that does not have a deadline. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How are we to find articles that should be deleted if not new page patrol? Random article patrol is to random to be effective and many of the articles that need to be deleted are orphaned, uncategorized, and not marked for clean up. Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 18:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
New page patrol is for hoaxes, personal attacks, and copy vios, or otherwise nonsense articles. An article that is a stub and is not an obvious hoax, not a copy vio, not a personal attack deserves time to possible expand. There is no "need" to delete this particular article. We are here to write a comprehensive encyclopedia, not find articles to delete. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see. On March 8th, the same person created new pages for six different classes of ships from the Honorverse. And with comments such as 'We can assume', and '(Note: At this time, the SLN should be considered 2nd class. They don't have anywhere near the firepower represented by a pod-laying ship. This could be subject to change if the SLN woke up and smelled the proverbial coffee.)' I can't recall, but I think there are some more classes. And all the planets. Etc. I think I have every book, but this is getting ridiculous.--Doug Weller (talk) 18:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That reads more like a case of Wikipedia:SOFIXIT than AfD, though. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They are all already covered in various other articles. If this isn't, it should be.--Doug Weller (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then, that would mean that we would merge and redirect the article without deleting it. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 19:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, then, the article has no usable information and should be deleted. Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 20:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see no rationale for an outright deletion in this case, i.e. a decsive decision that could benefit the project. Regards, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 22:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What article would we redirect to? Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 23:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Honorverse, List of Rankings, or something. I'm sure we could come up with something reasonable, but again, the young age of the article still strikes me as we should give editors some time to definitively indicate that no sources are to be found before just writing it off. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If an article should not be on Wikipedia why do it matter that that it has only been degrading Wikipedia or a few days instead of years? Zginder (talk) (Contrib) 00:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think stubs actually degrade Wikipedia. We humans have reached a stage in our development where just about anything has some kind of sources on it and as our population continues to grow, so does the segments of the population that finds any random topic or aspect of a larger topic notable. Even if the article never improved, its existence does not somehow detract from an article on say Basset hounds or Napoleon. Because Wikipedia is paperless, we don't have to worry about the same presentational issues that face a book. But even then, you take a printed encyclopedia (say The Harper Encyclopedia of Military Biography) and you'll have maybe a page on Alexander or Caesar and only one sentence on some less well-known general, but that doesn't mean that the guy who gets one sentence is necessarily "unencyclopedic" or that the overall quality of that book is rendered less than it would be without that sentence. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think that stubs degrade Wikipedia rather that articles that only state the obvious, that can be easy derived from other articles by using common sense, degrade Wikipedia. I can see it now: "Do you know why Wikipedia has over 2.5 million articles?" "No, why" "Because they have articles that only say: 'High Admiral is the rank of the Military Commander of the Grayson Space Navy.'" "Well duh, an Admiral is the rank of the Military Commander in navies. Wikipedia the fraud!"
I'm not too worried about anyone who wants to criticize WIkipedia for having such articles. I'm far more concerned that we do not discourage editors from contributing by deleting their good faith contributions or diminish our ability to catalog human knowledge. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Does it differ from other kinds of admirals? If so, it furthers our undertsnading. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, it does not. Blast Ulna (talk) 01:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Even then the decision would be to merge/redirect without deleting. There is absolutely no compelling reason to delete and certainly no benefit to our project by doing so. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This line of argumentation you are using it part of your larger agenda to save all fiction-related articles. As such, it violates the spirit of the arbcom ruling. Blast Ulna (talk) 02:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So are you saying that you have a larger agenda to delete all fiction-related articles in violation of the arbcom ruling? Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 03:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Blast Ulna is clearly not saying that, and I am sure you know it. This argument is ridiculous. The it about the High Admiral should be in the Grayson Space Navy article. It fits there logically and rounds it out and as far as I am concerned, as an Honorverse fan, that works better for me. Now I may have just transgressed against protocal and if so I'll undo it, but Wikipedia:SOFIXIT was mentioned, and so in that spirit (I think)--Doug Weller (talk) 08:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC) I have incorporated the bit about the High Admiral into the Grayson Space Navy article, something which I think it should have included anyway.[reply]
Comments he made in the ArbCom case suggest such ideology on his part. If you believe that this information can be successfully merged and the article redirected without deletion, I would support such efforts as a fair and reasonable compromise. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 16:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think it is worth noting that I have a mix of delete, merge and keep comments at AfD, whereas Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles consistently argues to keep every article that he has ever seen, and (worse) argues endlessly, as can be seen here. This behavior must stop, as it is disruptive. Blast Ulna (talk) 12:10, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Your dishonestly and misrepresentation of facts needs to stop immediately as do your weak arguments. For the record, I actually argue to delete a good deal of articles, consider yesterday alone: [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], etc., i.e. at least five delete arguments I made in a row. I prefer spending my time improving articles and spreading Wiki-love by welcoming new users and making other positive contributions, which has netted me a good deal of nice feedback and support (see here and here). As far as discussing thoroughly in AfDs, well, there's a reason we no longer call it "Votes" for Deletion. We are encouraged to discuss the articles' merits. Spirited disucssion is perfectly acceptable and should not be squashed. There's plenty of times I may disagree with someone, even strongly, as others do with me, but that doesn't mean at the end of the day we aren't "cool" with each and ultimately respectful. In any event, I urge you to stick to the topic at hand and not distract from it with inaccurate Ad hominem mistatements. If you wish to discuss the article constructively, then that's what we do in AfD, or at least are suspposed to do. If you wish to make mean and dishonest comments about others, refrain from doing so. And on one last note, if you ever want help improving, referencing, and expanding an article, let me know as that's why we're here, not to diminish our collection of human knowledge, but to catalog it in the most effective means possible. Anyway, to get back on focus, I still think the article can be either saved or merged into an article on Honorverse rankings. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 15:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Apparently the above post I made has borne fruit! Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 16:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The High Admiral information is now where it should be, part of the Grayson Space Navy article, it doesn't need an article of its own.--Doug Weller (talk) 16:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then if we merged it, we need to redirect this article without deleting it per the GFDL. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 16:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Since I said I would, I don't see the problem. If it is not prohibted and I publicly said I did it, I don't really see how it could have undermined the whole process. Which is a real tempest in a teapot (IMHO of course) which is why I did what I did.--Doug Weller (talk) 13:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete — no reliable sources produced to demonstrate notability of the subject. Indeed, many arguments were made that sources cannot be found for conlangs — however, this was disputed by the demonstration that sources do exist for some, notable ones. As such, the argument that guidelines should be ignored is not compelling. --Haemo (talk) 02:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Verdurian language[edit]

Verdurian language (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)

This constructed language claims to be quite well known in the conlang community but I have failed to find any coverage whatsoever in reliable secondary sources. All Ghits [35] are personal web pages, wikis and the like. Although this article survived a previous AfD, it did not address this issue. Snthdiueoa (talk) 12:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please could you provide us with a specific selection of such hits that meet Wikipedia's criteria on reliable sources? As far as I can see, none of them do. Being unrelated to Mark Rosenfelder is not good enough: they need to be sources that have a reputation for fact checking and accuracy (e.g. scholarly journals etc.) Snthdiueoa (talk) 22:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well of course you arent going to find anything like that on a conlang. Not even the big ones like Klingon get much mention in linguistics journals. But if youre going to use that strict of an interpretation of WP:RS, that effectively bars not just Verdurian, and not just all conlangs, but all non-academic content from Wikipedia. Soap Talk/Contributions 22:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite, I just gave scholarly journals as one example of reliable sources. Newspaper articles, books by publishing houses that have some form of editorial control (ie not vanity publishers), and so on, can also help establish notability. 62.136.34.82 (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you pick a source criterion and stick to it. It was mentioned in Le Monde, among others. Slac speak up! 06:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My source criteria are WP:RS and have not changed. Please can you provide us with references to where it was mentioned so that we can verify that these mentions are non-trivial. 213.208.81.149 (talk) 08:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The issue at stake is not whether WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but whether there are any reliable third party sources for Verdurian in particular. Any Internet conlangs that can satisfy WP:WEB in their own right can stay. So far, however, no reliable sources whatsoever have been forthcoming for Verdurian. Snthdiueoa (talk) 14:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No but these are the standards that Wikipedia requires in order to fulfil the criteria of no original research and verifiability. If Le Monde really has written about it, someone will be able to give us a link to the article concerned. It's certainly not true that other conlangs don't get written about: Esperanto and Klingon are most definitely the subject of non-trivial coverage in reliable secondary sources all over the place. And as for the number of Google hits, that is one of the arguments listed in WP:ATA as invalid arguments in deletion debates. All we need are non-trivial references in reliable secondary sources, and it doesn't take many to carry the day -- it seems that two or three often suffice -- but so far the number that we have is zero. Snthdiueoa (talk) 17:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Le Monde article mentioned is this. As you can see, it's just a brief mention, not something that could be used as a source. --Ptcamn (talk) 18:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just one sentence? Clearly trivial and insufficient. Snthdiueoa (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but going by Wikipedia's notability criteria -- coverage in reliable secondary sources -- this is simply not true. A search of Google News will give you some comparison with other conlangs. Esperanto: about 13,300 [37], Klingon: about 6,020 [38], Lojban: about 23 [39], Quenya: about 185 [40], Verdurian: zero. [41]. The assertion that Verdurian is among the most well known conlangs simply does not hold up to scrutiny. Snthdiueoa (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Haemo (talk) 02:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Howling Creek[edit]

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Crystal ballery about a non-notable horror movie. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 11:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

InfoCepts[edit]

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This article has already been speedy deleted twice as blatant spam. The latest incarnation is a lot less overtly promotional, but I still think that there are significant WP:CORP issues here that need to be addressed. 149 Ghits which is pretty low for an IT Consulting firm, especially when most of thise hits seem to just be various job vacancy advertisments placed by the company.

The most recent speedy tag placed on the article was removed without comment by User:Abhose, but to their credit they have at least trimmed most of the blatant advertising out of it. Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Please let us know the point where you think we are violating the wikipedia criteria so that it will be easy for us to edit the content as required- abhose

please highlight the content, you think is not coming in wikipedia's criteria, thanks... abhose

Delete as advertising: Wikipedia is not the place to promote your company. It needs coverage in reliable secondary sources (ie that are independent of the subject) in order to meet Wikipedia's criteria for verifiability and no original research. Snthdiueoa (talk) 13:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


InfoCepts is doing notably good in the field of Datawarehousing and BI field. One thing people should know about infocepts is that while working at remote location at Nagpur in Maharashtra(India) where not much significant companies are presents still this organization is doing good and providing the boost to the local environment to highlight this region on the global map.We are considering the revison, Thanks.... abhose —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhose (talkcontribs) 13:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article should be cleaned up, not deleted. Sсοττ5834talk 14:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have revised the content to make it mere informative. Please dont consider it's spam. As infocepts has become a favourite destination of younge talent pool in this region which is the good remark for its work in this region. Though infoepts doesnt highlightd much in informative sources, still we think you should consider the visionary efforts of the InfoCepts....Thanks Abhose —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhose (talkcontribs) 07:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Revised or not there is still a sourcing issue with this article, if you can find sources that meet WP:N and WP:RS I would gladly change my mind to support you.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 12:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for your consideration…. InfoCepts works on the Business Intelligence (BI) Technology which is a niche field. By the Technology profile, we are the only company of Central India which works in this field. More importantly InfoCepts is a consulting and education partner of MicroStrategy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroStrategy) which is a respected name and a global leader in Business Intelligence. (http://www.microstrategy.com/Partners/Directory/detail.asp?id=161).

Also InfoCepts is the only Authorized Training centre of MicroStrategy in India. InfoCepts is also proud to be a part of the Micro Strategy’s major international events every year (please refer http://www.microstrategy.com/Events/MicroStrategyWorld2008/index.asp?CID=2604b0 ).

We agree that InfoCepts currently does not have as many secondary sources as other organizations. This is primarily because the company is less than 4 years old and works on a niche field which everyone does not know about. If you still think that not having a lot of secondary sources is an issue, we would be happy to withdraw the listing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhose (talkcontribs) 13:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not actually up to me to ask you to withdraw, but Wikipedia REQUIRES secondary and sources to establish notability (the bar that wikipedians have set to decide what should be covered and what shouldn't). Please read WP:CORP and if you feel your company can satisfy the guidelines there should be no reason not to include it. That said, I think there is going to be a big issue of finding what wikipedia considers reliable sources, please read WP:RS. You've said that your company is young and I'm sure if the work you're doing is as cutting edge as you assert you can always reopen the article at a later date when more sources become available, provided it's not a WP:COI.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 13:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was deleted by User:Haemo per WP:CSD#G6. Non-admin procedural close. --jonny-mt 14:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FlyArmenia[edit]

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No evidence exists that such a company exists. No orders exist with any of the aircraft manufacturers mentioned. It is a hoax pure and simple; an airline founded in 2008, but expecting its first aircraft in June 2007? Russavia (talk) 11:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. Keilana|Parlez ici 01:17, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Young Democrats of North Carolina[edit]

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Non-notable state federation of Young Democrats of America--RedShiftPA (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Young Democrats of North Carolina was the founding chapter of the Young Democrats of America, they are an historic chapter with 80 years of history with notable state leaders such at Governor Jim Hunt and U.S. Senator Terry Sanford as past Young Democrats of North Carolina presidents. This historic value of this organization alone is enough of a reason not to delete it. --Kalliope O'Donnell (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was NO CONSENSUS. There was no need for all this relisting; it is plain that there is no settled opinion on what to do with the article. Note also that the injunction is now lifted with the closure of the case in question. -Splash - tk 00:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Shortland Street episodes[edit]

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The article is about episodes of a soap opera that is slow moving and airs daily. The page is already very out of date and I don't think it's fesable or nessecery to have an article about every single episode of a daily sopera opera. Perhaps an article for a few notable episodes yes, but not every single episode that has aired. As far as I know, no other soaps do that. IvanKnight69 (talk) 00:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete --JForget 01:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uno de Juno[edit]

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I suspect this to be a hoax. I've never heard of this holiday, the text never explains what it's about, the references don't say anything about this holiday and even more important: the first of June is Primero de Junio in Spanish, not Uno de Juno Mixcoatl (talk) 10:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Potential military conflict between the United States and China[edit]

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Previously nominated under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sino-American War about a year ago, this article hasn't improved much since. Original research (via synthesis), crystal balling, should be merged, etc etc. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 10:09, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete. -- Longhair\talk 09:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rock Chikz[edit]

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According to the article this is a major series shown on multiple networks. But there are no third-party references to substantiate this and in fact it appears the reality is that a single pilot has been made, there is no sign of any commissioning of a series, and there is no major third-party coverage of the show. Currently this article fails WP:V, WP:N and WP:CRYSTAL and is demonstrably misleading. It was speedily deleted on its initial creation and was recreated by an author knowing this was the case. Ros0709 (talk) 10:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted by User:^demon. Deli nk (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AdultMerchantPay[edit]

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Non-notable merchant account provider. Google Search has a few hits, ([47]), but they all appear to be copies of press releases and the like issued by the company. No third-party comment or coverage that would indicate notability, as far as I can see. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Institute for Middle East Understanding[edit]

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Fails to meet WP:ORG. While being quoted by many news outlets, the IMEU has not been the subject of coverage in any reliable, independent secondary source. -- Gabi S. (talk) 08:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article is not about a website, it is about the organization. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
While their coverage is light and the org is only a couple of years old, this unscientific Google text string search hints that their press releases do get some coverage by many third-party outlets. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This does not make them notable. Wikipedia policies are clear: the site should be the subject of coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Not "quoted by many sites with similar agenda".


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WolfTeam[edit]

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Was listed for speedy as "advertisement consisting of game guide material only" or words to that effect. After declining the speedy I re-read the article and it does have severe problems with notability - no independent reliable sources are cited. The references section and even the talk page freely admit that since the game is in beta, coverage from external sources is lacking and the info comes from playing the game itself - in other words, original research. Strong delete. Pegasus «C¦ 08:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy delete G1 Patent nonsense by Jmlk17 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Non-admin closure. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 10:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Starships of Bru na Boinne[edit]

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WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not your personal webspace - Jameson L. Tai talkcontribs 07:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 01:33, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Chapman (construction)[edit]

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No sources. Can find no mention of this person anywhere. See hoax tag previously applied. Talk page admits that the article was written by "An individual covered by or significantly related to this article". The Talking Sock talk contribs 06:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Delete --JForget 01:35, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Wierzbicki[edit]

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Contested prod. Non-notable actor. Highly probable that the show itself is a hoax.seresin | wasn't he just...? 06:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was nomination withdrawn. While I honestly thought this would be fairly straight-forward based on my past experience, the discussion below presents undeniable consensus in favor of keeping the articles and brings up a number of good points that I cannot refute. As such, I am withdrawing the nomination. --jonny-mt 08:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2007 in Costa Rica[edit]

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Large bundled nomination of this and similar articles created by the same editor. Despite the overall high quality of each article, Wikipedia is not a news source.

Although I named this discussion after the most recent article, I am including the following articles in the nomination as well:

Hopefully I haven't missed any. --jonny-mt 03:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) To be honest, I did the whole nomination by hand, and so it's entirely possible that I was simply too tired to fully elaborate on my reasons. Basically, the WP:NOT#NEWS rationale applies to their status as indiscriminate lists--rather than focusing on a specific event, such as a timeline of World War II, they are simply reporting on events that, with a couple of exceptions, are not necessarily notable. This falls under the above policy, which notes that "News coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, but not all events warrant an encyclopedia article of their own." As these are simply collections of news stories that are not notable in and of themselves (despite the fact that they involve notable topics), I consider them as falling under this heading.
Additional background for this nomination can be found in Articles for deletion/Current events in Hong Kong. Although the scale is a little different (given months in a single city vs. given years in a single country), I believe these two nominations are the same in substance. It is also worth noting that current and historical news is typically covered by a country or region's portal, which means that these articles are redundant to Portal:Antarctica, Portal:Brazil, Portal:China, etc. --jonny-mt 06:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete all three. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:15, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Cosmos 1951[edit]

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I'm also nominating the newly created articles List of Miss Cosmos titleholders and Miss Cosmos Special Awards. I hope its okay to tack onto this, otherwise I'll create a new entry. PageantUpdater talkcontribs 05:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable pageant instance. Perhaps there might be sufficient grounds for notability for a Miss Cosmos article (although I honestly have no idea) but I think that individual year articles on an obscure pageant (compared to the much more notable pageants such as Miss Universe and Miss World) is wrong.

I just want to add that obviously finding news sources for 1951 on the internet is pretty much an exercise in futility, but I did check the Google News archive for "miss cosmos 1951" and there were no hits.PageantUpdater talkcontribs 04:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Adding another note. The more I look at the "delegate names" the more I wonder whether this could be a joke? I checked Pageantopolis which has a wealth of information on historical and obscure pageants, and that site doesn't mention it. PageantUpdater talkcontribs 04:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The same reasoning applies equally to List of Miss Cosmos titleholders and Miss Cosmos Special Awards. Unless there is some documentation that Miss Cosmos is real, they also should be deleted. --Orlady (talk) 13:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Keep (non-admin closure), nom withdrawn per notability clarification. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 14:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FC Knyazha Schaslyve[edit]

:FC Knyazha Schaslyve (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD) Apparently not eligible for speedy but appears to fail guidelines as it's not the top league, it's 2nd division. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 03:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC) Withdrawn, see below[reply]

  • Comment if that's the case I'll withdraw in the morning when I get back online, but there have been a number of non-professional teams here, at least two of which have been deleted. I believe there's some precedent for this. In addition this one has no evidence of RS coverage and paltry ghits in any language so I'm not sure it passes WP:ORG TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 04:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I imagine the name would be more commonly written in the Ukrainian alphabet, so that's not so surprising. I'll wait for a subject-expert to chime in. Zagalejo^^^ 04:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not necessarily if there were international coverage. But we'll see what happens. I'll bee offline for the next bit TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 04:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge. I have redirected to Wheeling, West Virginia; knowledgeable editors are encouraged to merge relevant and verified information. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wheeling Police Department[edit]

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Is a specific police department notable? Doesn't look like it in this case, wails WP:N and WP:RS. Wizardman 03:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While that is something to be discussed, that is not the current bar. The current bar is notability through reliable sources. Sources which I have provided above. And since this department is so old, I am sure I could find more sources if needed. KnightLago (talk) 19:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I removed those sections as copyvios. KnightLago (talk) 22:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was KEEP. Orlady (talk) 16:34, 16 March 2008 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Diaper bag[edit]

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Prod removed with a note from the creator and while I understand it was a requested article, I don't see any encyclopedic notability for a diaper bag and its contents. The contents are pure OR and vary from one bag to another. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 03:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Upon looking over my previous comments I note that they might be unduly harsh so I would like to clarify that I agree with Ten Pound Hammer (below) that this article was created in good faith and so am not disparaging the author, just commenting on the Wikiworthiness of this specific article. OlenWhitakertalk to me or don't • ♣ 03:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC) 03:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've added a few references I found @ my local GP. :)--Thecurran (talk) 15:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Struck out my earlier comment. Article is dramatically improved; it no longer resembles a dictionary entry. --Orlady (talk) 16:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On a semantic note, I wrote, "An average full bag 'might contain". I don't know if that's weasel wording, but at least it makes the sentence true.
On to notability, people that haven't taken part in infant rearing are often unaware of what the term "diaper bag" means, what a diaper bag is meant to be, and what a diaper is meant to contain. A sum-of-parts analysis would yield that it is a bag for diapers alone and I have seen people making that mistake, fetching a bag of diapers instead, come to dire consequences.
How to care for children does not come naturally; it must be taught. Teaching is what Wikipedia does. I believe many people have tried to look up diaper bags on search engines or Wikipedia before and there was a person desperate enough to explain its need on Wikipedia:Requested articles/Culture and fine arts#Fashion. I don't know if that person posted the original request or not.
I just googled "diaper bag" and found many sites selling them under that name as well as under "baby bag" and "nappy bag". Somehow, we don't have a page for any of those terms. "Baby bag" at least should have a page and maybe the others should link to it. A baby bag is neither a bag a baby can play with, a bag a baby owns, nor a bag full of baby / babies. Now, while you may view the idea of not knowing what a baby bag, diaper bag, or nappy bag is as laughable, please remember that we do have an article for hat.
At King Eddie's (King Edward Memorial Hospital http://www.kemh.health.wa.gov.au/ ), the public hospital for maternity in Perth, Western Australia, there are several posters designed to help new mothers and other carers of infants. They detail how to breastfeed a baby, how to hold it, how to blanket it, how to lay it down, how to respond to it, how to bathe it, how to change its nappy and so forth. Some of these things are public health announcements necessary to prevent cot death (SIDS - Sudden Infant Death Syndrome). Perth has some of the highest literacy rates in the world and the world's most vast rural network for a megacity, besides deep ties with Asia, Africa, Europe, the Americas, and the rest of Oceania, so the potential readers are neither idiots nor far from reality.
Babies are very delicate, and people can become carers of infants without passing omniscience tests. This situation is why infant mortality rates are so high in the world. The health and hygiene (mental included) of both the infant and carer are therefore notable topics. Diaper bags have played an important part of infant hygiene for millenia. Giving no information to genuine seekers of it on this topic is hard to believe for me..
As far as OR goes, this is a topic most well-versed infant carers (probably >10% of the world population) know by heart and I think most of them would not see it as OR. It's one of those funny things that still manages to be notable because non-versed infant carers (probably >10% of the world population) don't know any of it.
As far as NPOV goes, I tried to be very balanced in what I put in, favouring neither disposable nor reusable culture, favouring neither breastfeeding nor bottle-feeding, being careful to not specify with "parents" but to generalize with "infant carers", as well as specifically attaching "perhaps" to things that are vital to some people but not to all. I should probably attach it to keys and wallet as well.
I'm not trying to dominate other cultures with my own. I'm trying to help guide carers of infants so that both they and the infants can survive at least until the baby attains the age of 5. This is part of the UN millenium development goals designed to decrease infant mortality and systemic difficulties faced by women. I would like you and anyone else who can to edit the article to improve it, but I disagree with questioning its notability and proposing deletion. :)--Thecurran (talk) 04:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree, it's OR because it's wholly uncited and what one person puts in a bag could be totally different from another. A diaper bag could be explained with a dictionary definition at wiktionary. People aren't going to look in an encyclopedia for what to put in a diaper bag, that's a google/parent website question. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 11:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think the fact that someone did come to Wikipedia to look it up contradicts "People aren't going to look in an encyclopedia for what to put in a diaper bag". http://www.google.com/parent/ yields a 404, so I don't see where you're going with that. Besides, Google usually ends up linking here anyway. Yahoo has a nice directory over search engine feature though that just gave me a new reference but keep in mind that many people don't understand search engines and directories as well as you do. :)--Thecurran (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just want everyone to know I appreciate their hard work. :)--Thecurran (talk) 08:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was nomination withdrawn. Looks much better now. Wizardman 16:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cheah Thien Soong[edit]

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Semi-procedural nom, as it's been tagged as lacking notability/context since April. Also fails WP:V and WP:RS as it stands. Wizardman 03:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cold scale[edit]

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Orphaned stub on a scale whose existence I can't verify. I haven't encountered it in any book I've seen on music theory or scales. No relevant ghits (particularly damning since guitar learning sites will frequently list nearly every scale known to man, from the common to the vanishingly obscure). And, on the face of it, it makes no sense: the article claims that the scale is a six-note scale that skips two steps of the major scale...which is a seven-note scale. It also says that it's a combination of pentatonic and blues scale, but there are several pentatonic scales. Article creator (and the only editor of the article who wasn't simply adding stub notices and the like) is Coldscale (talk · contribs). I have a sneaking suspicion that Wikipedia is not for things made up one day applies here. — Gwalla | Talk 03:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was speedy delete no context. Redirect to Impossible Creatures could be made. Pegasus «C¦ 01:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Frownodon[edit]

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Non notable video game character. Beeblbrox (talk) 03:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn. Canley (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No Strings Attached Tour[edit]

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Sole sentence of article: "No Strings Attached Tour was 'N Sync's 2000 world tour in support of the album No Strings Attached." The article then lists the setlist and where they went. No sources are provided. Paddy Simcox (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Save one of the biggest tours, sources were added. Had its own TV special, along with 2 DVd releases to go along with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.242.45.169 (talk) 03:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nissae Isen[edit]

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Non-notable voice actress. Searching yields IMBD, flimsy/empty TV.com etc..etc.. [57] Wisdom89 (T / C) 02:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Speedy Delete. EVula // talk // // 04:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Watsonslip[edit]

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Apparent hoax, no such place, 3 ghits directly associated with article Grahame (talk) 02:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Keilana|Parlez ici 01:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Son of the Bride of the Return of the Revenge of the Terror of the Attack of the Evil, Mutant, Alien, Flesh Eating, Hellbound, Zombified Living Dead Part 2: In Shocking 2-D[edit]

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The horribly obscenely long title aside, this film doesn't meet notability standards. It mentions a review in the New York Times, but that is the only reliable review I am able to find on Google (where, by the way, it gets less than 400 hits, and you can be sure they're all relevant with that many search terms). In short: fails WP:NOTFILM and WP:RS.

Included in nomination:

Sequel to this film, it suffers from the same problems - except the Times didn't review that one. Hersfold (t/a/c) 01:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - IMDB isn't the most reliable of sources, and WP:NOTFILM specifically states that an entry there does not confirm notability. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1. "The film is widely distributed and has received full length reviews by two or more nationally known critics." It meets half of this by being available for purchase at several retailers and video rental outlets and obviously the Times article.
2. "The film is historically notable, as evidenced by one or more of the following" this particular film holds two claims to notability under this guideline... Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release: Yahoo Movies, New York times , and VH1.com... "The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release." This is also true in 2005, 14 years after release it screened at Microcinefest and The Pioneer Film Series.
In addition to those sources directly addressing the notability standard there are sources like The Guardian: Unlikely But True Movie Titles and the DVD review at Mutant Reviewers From Hell (a surprisingly respected genre commentary site) which clearly illustrate the cult status of the film in the popular culture. Beyond those sources there are blog entries and directory listings like those at All Film Guide and IMDB.
Lastly, based upon the cult status of this movie the director has been interviewed in sources like this [58] and gained significant coverage like this [59]. Additonally he may be a notable person (adding to the case that this film easily meets the standard due to his involvement) because he authored this [60] popular book six years after the making of this film. --Torchwood Who? (talk) 13:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, the film IS 16 years old at this point and is consistently shown at art house theaters and colleges, online evidence of which has been provided.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 14:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can you link to where 2 of the sources are data scrapes? I checked to make sure they didn't match each other and I want to make sure I'm not mistaken.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Both sources clearly have identical text and are credited to "Jeremy Wheeler, All Movie Guide". Original AMG source is here. PC78 (talk) 17:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. I didn't check the Times link, I thought you mean yahoo and Vh1 were the same. But I still think there's something to be said for the notability of the filmmaker per WP:NOTFILM section 3.1 and the festival interest.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 17:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I had a look on google and managed to find a few things. This article in the Daily Record names it as the longest film title, while this article states that the film was shown at the New York City Horror Film Festival. Also found another review via Rotten Tomatoes, and this review for the second film. PC78 (talk) 18:08, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Because of the film's title (verified as the longest film title in the source I provided above), the festival screenings, and the (possible) notability of the director (for whom this would be a significant work), I'm inclined to think that this does just about pass WP:NOTFILM. Note that my change of heart only applies to the first of these films. For the sequel I say delete or perhaps merge, because with the exception of a single review, all of the sources so far provided relate exclusively to the first film. PC78 (talk) 23:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on Multiple Nomination
  • I'm not sure I understand you - are you saying that these should have been prodded, or not brought in a joint AfD, or something else? There doesn't appear to be an article for the first film, unless the link in the infobox for #2 is wrong. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually part 2 is the first movie, 3 is a sequel. I'm saying that they shouldn't be in the same AfD because 3 and subsequently (if it existed here) 4 would better be served with a prod.--Torchwood Who? (talk) 19:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's brilliantly confusing. Ok, thanks for clarifying. :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 20:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Burton[edit]

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Not really notable, references are to minor stories of no significance. No evidence to back up some claims, and even if they were backed up doesn't make him notable anyway. I had to do a minor edit and it still seems like some of the page is actually a kind of personal attack page. Canterbury Tail talk 02:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete --JForget 01:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fund Raising Instructions[edit]

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Contested prod and prod2. Nothing in this article but instructions on how to make a fundraising successful. Wikipedia is not an instruction manual.

Also nominating:

Fund Raising Guide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (one of the numerous redirects to the long maze of redirects created by this user).
Fund raising process (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (another one).


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The result was No consensus (default to keep). Keilana|Parlez ici 01:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Irene Hirano[edit]

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Someone posted a tag on Daniel Inouye's article that this should be merged into it. There's really nothing to merge because the article is almost nonexistent. Unless there's other information to add to this article to make it substantial, I recommend deletion. Enigma msg! 01:12, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--Dhartung | Talk 03:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment What, did you worry nobody read your nomination? --Dhartung | Talk 19:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Traditionally, the nominator votes as well. Enigma msg! 19:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Traditionally, the nominator's rationale is considered as part of the WP:CONSENSUS. AFD is not a vote. --Dhartung | Talk 02:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep, but the sources found should be included. seresin | wasn't he just...? 20:20, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Joanna Eden[edit]

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Notability, per WP:MUSIC ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was snowball keep, non admin. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 10:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dude[edit]

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The article is a dictionary definition; it is all about the word dude - its usage, pronunciation and origin. But Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I do concede that much of the "in popular culture" should be trimmed to include only verified and truly notable occurences. --ZimZalaBim talk 00:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some more: this article from the journal American Speech, Deborah Hick's book "Discourse, Learning, and Schooling" and this paper also from American Speech. Gwernol 01:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • We already have proper articles on concepts like Youth vote and Dude ranch. All that's left is discussion of the word as a word and that is dictionary material. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. BencherliteTalk 20:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Giant Monster[edit]

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The result was speedy keep per bad-faith nomination. Barrier, mate (talk · contribs) has been flooding the AfD with various degrading comments, and masking as other editors.. seicer | talk | contribs 02:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Prussian Blue (duo)[edit]

Non-notable, unimportant. No one cares about it, espeiclaly not by now.Barrier, mate (talk) 21:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You misspelled sources! I don't like that. Just keep inmind; I'm only a grammar nazi, not a skinheads nazi, and I'd like to see this deleted. And the articles about Prussian Blue's albums and singles are even more non-notable. Barrier, mate (talk) 01:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was featured on ABC a long time ago. Even if they were notable at one point, that was not now. Prussian Blue were totally ephemeral and by now they're 15 minutes seem to be over. Barrier, mate (talk) 01:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not temporary. This article undoubtedly meets the WP:MUSIC criteria. May I ask why you would like to see it deleted? --On the other side Contribs|@ 01:55, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Even if I were a racist idiot like you, I would'nt see how this helpful, since they can't sing at all. Barrier, mate (talk) 02:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, please. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(personal attack edited) Nate (chatter) 06:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Keilana|Parlez ici 01:37, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History of For Better or For Worse[edit]

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One of the many things Wikipedia is not is a plot summary. This article, on the other hand, is one, and nothing more. I clicked on it expecting to find a real-world history of the development of the comic strip For Better or For Worse, but instead it's a synopsis of the major plot elements of the strip from 1979 to the present. Please delete as unencyclopedic. —Angr If you've written a quality article... 21:06, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was keep. John254 00:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1 Night in Paris[edit]

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Without encyclopedic relevance. Camachista 22:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Comment Nominator appears to have inadvertently voted for own nomination. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 21:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
'KEEP' Now more important then ever. Seriously, it was the most watched film of that year. --HungryJacks (talk) 03:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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