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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:29, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Georgii Speakman[edit]

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Poorly sourced article that has been the subject of WP:COI and WP:SPA editing since its creation. She does not seem to meet WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG - a WP:BEFORE search shows plenty of PR stuff but nothing much more substantial. Melcous (talk) 23:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:08, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ivor Spencer-Thomas[edit]

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Promotional article. Not finding anything like enough to pass WP:GNG in the citations or anywhere else online or via Google Books etc. Edwardx (talk) 20:30, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The tone, style and lack of sources suggest that it is promotional. Promotional content is much more of an issue for BLPs, but people do sometimes start articles on their ancestors and other dead relatives. It was started in 2007, so subject was only dead for 6 years at that point. The article creator has edited Owen Spencer-Thomas, also up for deletion, who I presume is Ivor's son. Edwardx (talk) 10:44, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not really promotional then. Just personal interest. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. Edwardx (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 11:38, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Konrad (musician)[edit]

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Does not meet WP:NMUSICBIO. Mccapra (talk) 20:39, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 15:34, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2015–16 Sloboda Užice season[edit]

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This fails WP:NSEASONS as the Serbian First League wasn't a professional league until the following season. I was also going to nominate the 2016-17 article but that would fail as the league was professional by then.

I would also like to nominate for the reason that I mentioned above plus the fact there is also going under WP:PRIMARY.

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Comment Technically no they wern't as they were in the second division of Serbian football with the Serbian SuperLiga being the top division of the country. HawkAussie (talk) 02:28, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edited out an expletive but wanted to note an expletive was uttered) you're right - forgot the Super League was above the Prva Liga. Makes it more marginal. SportingFlyer T·C 06:04, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 00:33, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Atom Motors[edit]

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Only sources are LinkedIn and first-party, fails WP:GNG. Only other source I could find is this, which is only one source. If you find any other RS, I will probably withdraw. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 21:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was move to Draft:Ashley Maynard-Brewer. Some people directly suggested this, others went for keeping, others thought the NFOOTY requirements cause more harm than good and need re-evaluating. In all cases, a move to draft preserves the content while also satisfying concerns about minimal quality / notability requirements for biographies. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:25, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ashley Maynard-Brewer[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. The EFL Cup match against Swansea U-21 is not a match between two fully professional teams. Simione001 (talk) 21:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • That's fine and true, but we require as part of WP:NFOOTBALL a showing that a player played in a game between two fully professional teams. Swansea U21 are not fully professional, sorry. Also, it's helpful if you sign your posts instead of bolding your user name - you can do this by typing the ~ character four times after your post. SportingFlyer T·C 12:05, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@R96Skinner, ChrisTheDude, and Johnpacklambert: - pursuant to the above, I have initiated discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Proposal: Scrap the "one appearance" rule in favor of two mundane appearances or one unusual/remarkable appearance. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America1000 11:40, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aleax[edit]

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Minor, non-notable fictional creature. Aside from the handful of primary sources already here, there really isn't much out there regarding this one. Searching for sources brings up a few unrelated things with the same name, but no reliable sources discussing this. Rorshacma (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete, non-notable BLP. Note that I am therefore moving the now-unambiguous Mark Lindquist (sculptor) to this title. bd2412 T 00:07, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Lindquist[edit]

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My name is Mark and I am the subject of this article. I’m requesting it be deleted. I am not notable according to Wikipedia guidelines as I was only a locally elected official and also no longer serve in that capacity. The page has been used over the last few years as a political platform by someone prosecuted by my former office. While I appreciate someone apparently finds me worthy to put on Wikipedia, the article doesn’t appear to follow Wikipedia guidelines. As such, I request as a courtesy that the article about me be deleted. MarkLindq (talk) 20:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to One Life to Live. Tone 20:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mendorra[edit]

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This article currently fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 20:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. bd2412 T 04:19, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Felipe Nogueira[edit]

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In 2010 and 2010, the player had 9 appearances in the Brazilian regional league Campeonato Mineiro, which is listed at WP:FPL, and one appearance in the Copa do Brasil. Aside from that, the rest of the player's career appears to have been spent in 4th-tier, non-FPL-listed US and Brazilian leagues. Despite technically meeting NFOOTY, I can find no WP:GNG-satisfying sources. We don't appear to have any source material from which to write an article, other than statistics websites. Levivich 19:59, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Gigolo Aunts. RL0919 (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bloom (Gigolo Aunts song)[edit]

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Non-charting single. Single source is a guidebook which does not establish notability. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 19:03, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Firm consensus that he does not show notability Nosebagbear (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Francois Willie Cloete[edit]

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Cloete is not a prominent politician. His article clearly fails WP:POLITICIAN and WP:GNG. He has never been elected or held a public office. He has only ever been a candidate and held leadership positions in many minor, insignificant parties. Most sources are unreliable. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 18:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus that individual is not notable through any of their positions Nosebagbear (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Haggerty[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL. Bbb23 (talk) 18:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability is not temporary, so the fact that Wilma Chan isn't still in the state legislature now doesn't matter: if she's ever served in the state legislature at all, then she stays notable on those grounds forever. Once a person has held a notable political office, they don't suddenly become non-notable when they leave that role and go on to do something else — our job is to be a comprehensive reference for everybody who's ever served in the state legislature, not just a directory of the current legislators. But notability is also not inherited, so the fact that Chan has an article does not mean that her colleagues on the county board get to have articles, even if they haven't also served in the state legislature, just because she has one: each person is judged according to their own most notable office attained, and not anybody else's. And the fact that the transit board has an article about it as a company does not mean its chair automatically gets to have a biographical article about him as a person either: chair of a local infrastructure board or not, he still has to pass the same notability test as any other local politician: namely, enough reliable source coverage to make him much more nationally significant than most other people at this level of office. Bearcat (talk) 00:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In regards to being notable at the national level, Supervisor Haggerty currently represents Alameda County on the National Association of Counties, serving as Vice Chair of the Transportation Steering Committee and formerly as Chair for a number of years.[2] Additionally, Scott serves on the Board of Directors of the California Association of Councils of Government.[3] In regards to Supervisor Haggerty's participation in these organizations, the Supervisor has been exceptionally active/engaged at the national and state-wide level when compared with the vast majority of county supervisors in the nation. Based on these grounds alone, Supervisor Haggerty far surpasses the requirements for categorization as "notable" within the Wikipedia guidelines.--Dst20191 (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
None of those are NPOL-passing roles. Nobody below the state legislature gets an automatic notability freebie just because he exists — what has to nationalize to make a person at the county level of office notable enough for an encyclopedia is his range of reliable source media coverage, not just the list of organizations he happens to be on the boards of. And incidentally, happening to have staff profiles on the self-published websites of his own employers ain't evidence of notability either. There's no such thing as notability without media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 20:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Bionicle media#Games. Tone 20:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bionicle: Maze of Shadows[edit]

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Only received one review according to GameRankings and appears to lack any significant coverage. Toa Nidhiki05 18:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Tone 20:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo Miller[edit]

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mostly 1-event WP:1E. This is a minor player in a big event. MartinezMD (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. bd2412 T 00:06, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Bank-A anomaly[edit]

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Author recreated article that had been deleted within the past 36 hours. Possible COI based on editors name. Article is not well written and I am not sure it can be saved. It appears to me, that if this is indeed written by the man at the center of the case, that he is trying to extend his 15 minutes of fame.MensanDeltiologist (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Motto by Hilton[edit]

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Non notable, as yet unopened hotel brand largely sourced to press releases and promotional in tone "capturing local culture through its design and food and beverage offerings" Theroadislong (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 20:24, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Kingston (musician)[edit]

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Non-notable musician. Nothing in the article suggests he passes WP:NMUSICIAN and my searches didn't find anything in-depth and independent indicating chart success or anything else which might suggest notability. Neiltonks (talk) 15:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Pearls Before Swine (comic strip). MBisanz talk 15:33, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Pearls Before Swine characters[edit]

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Yet another example of how crufty we have become. A list of non-notable characters, consisting mostly of original research, and tagged for over a decade. Such content is simply not of any encyclopedic value, and is better placed on Wikia. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of The Walking Dead (TV series) characters#Judith Grimes. Tone 20:55, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Grimes[edit]

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Yet another entry from fandom. Zero real world notability. Nothing but mentions. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 15:10, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm not sure why this was tagged for deletion when there are WP:ATDs, onel5969? At worst, this would be a merge or redirect to List_of_The_Walking_Dead_(TV_series)_characters#Judith_Grimes, which it was originally. Alerting the creator of the actual article, AND722. Boleyn (talk) 15:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Boleyn - because I tried those routes (redirecting to list), and was reverted without significant improvement. Hence the need for a discussion. I honestly would be quite fine with it redirecting to the list.Onel5969 TT me 15:35, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, onel5969 :) Boleyn (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Withdrawn by nominator. No prejudice against renomination of individual articles. (non-admin closure) Smartyllama (talk) 14:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agol[edit]

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One line article with no reference since 2012. A neighbourhood article with no information or no practical purpose. Nizil (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Most articles in Category:Neighbourhoods in Ahmedabad have similar problems. Some of them have more information (mostly with no reference) than a sentence but not beyond demographics or local places. These articles have no practical purpose. They were created by Renamed user xwt3mg45c51n2y2j808. -Nizil (talk) 14:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So I am also nominating the following related pages (no reference/single sentence article):
I am also nominating the following related pages (some information, mostly demographic, poor references):
(Large article, poor to few references)
I am nominating these much for now.-Nizil (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Commissioners". Metropolitan Transportation Commission. Retrieved 22 October 2019.
  2. ^ "Honorable Scott Haggerty". National Association of Councils of Government. Retrieved 24 October 2019.
  3. ^ "Board of Directors". California Association of Councils of Government. Retrieved 24 October 2019.
  4. ^ "Disctrict Census Handbook" (PDF). Census of India. Government of India. Retrieved 22 October 2019.
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 Comment: according to WP:GEOLAND, populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable. But: it also says populated places without legal recognition are considered on a case-by-case basis in accordance with the GNG. Examples may include subdivisions, business parks, housing developments, informal regions of a state, unofficial neighbourhoods etc Indian government or census doesnt have the concept of "neighbourhoods". However, government/census recognises "nagar", "colony", "mohalla" (they are mostly used as synonyms for each-other though).
So, if the subject is part of city or village, or the so called "neighbourhood", then WP:GNG should be applied, otherwise everything deserves an article per WP:GEOLAND. —usernamekiran(talk) 16:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Usernamekiran the only thing missing in ur line is an obvious Keep. --DBigXray 17:05, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@DBigXray: lol. That's true. I would have done that, but then there are few articles like Anand Nagar (Ahmedabad). —usernamekiran(talk) 17:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Gareth Branwyn. Tone 20:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Street Tech[edit]

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Unremarkable personal website Rathfelder (talk) 14:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Donegal Tuesday[edit]

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Irrelevant unofficial student event The Banner talk 17:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:57, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Heebie-jeebies (idiom)[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary: The entirety of this article is just a definition of the phrase "heebie-jeebies" and its origins — Chevvin 19:43, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Ink Tank[edit]

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I am unable to locate any significant coverage with in-depth information on the company and containing independent content, fails GNG. At best, relevant content can be merged to R. O. Blechman. HighKing++ 11:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delate or merge: This is not primiary animation studio. i.e a studio that produce its own movies or frames them out in parts its only company that takes commisions from other so they don't own anything they do. DoctorHver (talk) 11:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:12, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Heinlein planets[edit]

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No real world information, no references to pass WP:GNG, no actual relevance because this doesn't even seem to be a connected universe, all WP:PLOT details only. Each novel should easily be capable of describing the important locations for necessary plot context. TTN (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:13, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dowling-Neven law[edit]

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A user with a declared COI on Jonathan Dowling renamed "Neven's law" to include Dowling's name in it. Article reads like original research aiming to show that Dowling came up with the "law" first. No secondary source is provided to support that statement, nor the use of the term "Dowling-Neven law". Ariadacapo (talk) 10:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I find exactly one external use of "Dowling-Neven law", and that's a blog article by Dowling (who also wrote this article). --mfb (talk) 13:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wordtheque[edit]

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Very short unreferenced article. Appears to relate to this: http://www.logoslibrary.eu/index.php?newsearch=1&code_language=EN Rathfelder (talk) 10:28, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete per WP:SNOW; borderline speedy as a disambiguation page that does not disambiguate anything. bd2412 T 17:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 4 Hours of Silverstone (disambiguation)[edit]

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This is a pointless DAB as the primary topic (2019 4 Hours of Silverstone) can simply have a hatnote (which it now has) pointing to the secondry topic (2019 ELMS 4 Hours of Silverstone, which is yet to be created) making this page (which was created from a page move (see Talk: 2019 4 Hours of Silverstone for details)) redundent.
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:13, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kidatz[edit]

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Subject is a Tanzanian actor and dancer. A WP:BEFORE on Kidatz and Chrisman dino found only user generated sources (social media). Gaining recognition in his Instagram page and no other achievements to suggest he meet the notability guidelines. Fails WP:NACTOR, WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG CASSIOPEIA(talk) 09:47, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chester Tam[edit]

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This has been recreated & deleted a few times, mainly by what looks like an SPA account. Credits are mainly on small internet projects, bit parts in movies, staff writer on minor shows, etc. Very little RS, questionable notability. JamesG5 (talk) 09:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America1000 11:48, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Silent Voices (2005 film)[edit]

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Another non-notable film article from the promoters of Paul Atherton HouseOfChange (talk) 16:22, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 09:41, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Teri O'Neill[edit]

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Article fails to demonstrate that WP:GNG is met. A local politician has no inherent notability. Only one ref discusses subject but not in any depth. Contested PROD. Since I prodded, there's been one new source with some substance but not enough to achieve GNG. Schwede66 08:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I'm confused by your comment, Enos733. I'm sure anybody commenting here would read the article first and yes, that is what they would find out about the subject. What is your rationale for making that comment? What does it mean? What does it add to this AfD? Schwede66 17:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My comment is two fold. First, it provides a placeholder comment about the best possible claim of meeting and the standard upon which to judge WP:NPOL. For local officials, we regularly do consider city size, not as the criteria, but as a criteria (especially for mayors and councilmebers from global cities). When the nom states "local politician" without context, it takes community members an additional click to understand the context of the discussion. --Enos733 (talk) 04:44, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tamatha Paul; has already been deleted. Schwede66 18:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 09:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Level 1(Cheat Codes EP)[edit]

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Fails WP:NALBUM - can't find any significant coverage, just mentions that it exists / has been released. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 08:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Elliot Eastwick[edit]

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No demonstration of notability. (Discogs is crowd sourced) Roxy, the dog. wooF 08:30, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I’m Elliot Eastwick. This page is constantly being trolled and edited with untruth and abuse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliot Eastwick (talkcontribs) 09:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect and merge to List of Macross characters. Note that the merge still needs to be done; the history has been retained. Yunshui  11:21, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Focker[edit]

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Fictional character bio that fails to discuss his significance/reception and I don't see much else there. Supporting character in a long running classic anime, but unlikely to be notable on its own. BEFORE shows some mentions in passing, but primarily summaries of his fictional character bio, and a little bit about merchandise (appearance in a video game, etc.). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Yunshui  11:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

H. D. Gunawardhana[edit]

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Fails to satisfy the criteria under WP:NACADEMIC. It has been identified as needing improvement since 2017 with no substantial changes made. When the article was PROD'd in 2017 it was deprod'd on the basis that it appeared to address criteria #3, which relates to a person a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor. There are no sources provided which confirm that he has been appointed as a fellow - which was identified as being an issue in 2017. Most of the other references/sources are dead links or mentions in passing. Dan arndt (talk) 06:24, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

St. John's-Kilmarnock School[edit]

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Last AfD few years ago closed by saying that all high schools are notable per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. Since then we had an RfC that clarified this. We need to show this passes WP:NCOMPANY/WP:GNG. And so far, the article fails at this, badly, and I don't see much else in my WP:BEFORE. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Betegy[edit]

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Run of the mill article about a start up. Most references are primary, press-releases and trivial business as usual report about attempts to get financing. Did get coverage in a WSJ blog [13], so that's something, even through blogs associated with bigger reliable news outlets are still, well, blogs (WP:SPS, depends on whether the parent company does editorial checks or not, and that's not really public info...). I think this story was also picked up by others, like [14], but in the end its a variant of WP:ONENEWS, and I don't think that's sufficient to make this company notable. WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES, WP:CORSPAM for further reading. Thoughts? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:20, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hasaris[edit]

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No indication this plot device (fictional alien race) passes WP:NFICTION/WP:GNG. Unreferenced too, BEFORE finds only mention in passing, primary brief in-universe descriptions with no indication of real world significance. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete per WP:SNOW. bd2412 T 17:48, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pantanal Linhas Aéreas Flight 4763[edit]

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Non-notable runway excursion with no injuries to speak of. runway excursions happen all the time are non-notable in themselves. The fact that the aircraft is an insurance write-off is not notable either. As the article states this is the 18th hull loss of an ATR, what makes this so notable to require an article?. Generally WP:GNG and WP:NOTNEWS Petebutt (talk) 03:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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This appears to be very closely related to TAM Airlines Flight 3054 - a fatal accident at the same airport, due to the same cause (i.e. aquaplaning on a part refurbished runway) the next day. As such Keep, as this appears to be part of a pattern of accidents and near misses at the airport.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Relevant content already merged into players' articles. Fenix down (talk) 07:35, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of international goals scored by Kyaw Ko Ko[edit]

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I am also nominating the following related page due to the low number of events that have occured in that list as well:

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Both lists are very useless and fail WP:GNG. They should be merged back into their respective players' biography articles. — KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 03:00, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There is a clear absence of consensus for deletion at this time, and nothing in the discussion lends to thinking that relisting is likely to resolve in that direction. bd2412 T 03:57, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Civic Community[edit]

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Lacks significant in-depth WP:RS to establish why it is notable, fails WP:GNG. Meeanaya (talk) 02:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: only given a passing mention; therefore, too thin coverage. Passing mentions are usually not counted, refer to statement in WP:GNG: "Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton,[1] that "In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice" is plainly a trivial mention of that band." From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 02:46, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The real political force that postulates Carlos Mesa is CC, like the MUD in Venezuela or other electoral coalitions that have an article. The FRI is only a minority party whose legal status serves this purpose.--FelipeRev (talk) 03:03, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @FelipeRev: How does your argument relate to notability? From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 03:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @AnUnnamedUser: It is notable for the fact that it is the second force in an election of importance to the country where the events occur. In addition, the article has numerous sources of different media, so I do not consider that the argument that there are no reliable sources can be taken as valid. The article can be expanded, it is not necessary to delete it.--FelipeRev (talk) 16:51, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't want to make this a back-and-forth, but I would like to note to future participants to look at the sources and decide if they give only passing mentions and actual in-depth coverage. I sincerely say that I may have misjudged and been wrong. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 18:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep It is useful to be able to click on the party's name and know what kind of party it is, if you are looking up the Bolivian general election. The information in this article seems too long to include inside the general election article itself. Also, the article has five references from three different websites. 2A00:23C7:8592:D500:5553:C40E:9AF0:3698 (talk) 08:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • This argument is fallacious. "Usefulness" of information does not impact notability. Preserving all "useful" information is not necessary. Mere references may just be passing mentions. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 18:37, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. After the , this is (about to become) the second biggest party in Bolivia in terms of representation. Seems pretty notable to me. -Xbony2 (talk) 00:17, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The second biggest political force in Bolivia is clearly sufficiently notable for Wikipedia. AsmodeanUnderscore (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:24, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Machine Group[edit]

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There is a lot of name-dropping in this article, but I can't find notability here. The sources given are either directly tied to the company, or are based on PR releases. My attempts to find independent, reliable sources did not turn up anything, but I'll admit my efforts were hindered by numerous results related to Big Machine Records, of which this label has no relation. I don't see that the label has signed any notable artists, nor does it seem to have had any impact on any regional musical culture, or played a significant part in the exposure or development of any genre. Therefore I currently judge this to fail both WP:GNG and any criteria by which notability may be assigned to a record label. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 02:32, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. This qualifies for speedy deletion as advertising-only. Drmies (talk) 01:51, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Palmer's[edit]

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Non-notable company lacking in depth coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains(talk) 02:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Yunshui  11:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Developmental dysfluency[edit]

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Reasons[edit]

(1) The terms "developmental dysfluency" or "developmental disfluency" are rarely used in the scholarly literature. For example:

A total of 209 results for the phrase (both spelling variations) might sound like a lot to some, but contrast those numbers with Google Scholar searches (any time; no patents; no citations) for stuttering (97700 results), or dyslexia (203000 results).

(2) When the term is used, it lacks a consistent definition. One sees three different definitions for the phrase:

(a) Normal development stage - Some websites and occasional articles define "developmental dysfluency" as the normal initial struggles young children(~ages 2–5) exhibit when learning how to speak, e.g., speech hesitancy, mispronunciation, or stuttering.[1]

(b) Classification - Other publications use the phrase as an umbrella term for speech disorders such as stuttering or cluttering.

(c) Speech disorder symptoms - Developmental dysfluency is defined as abnormal speech.[2][3]

(3) The article's statistics, including the fact that no other articles link to the page, provide additional evidence for the term's relative obscurity. Basic stats for the article: 30 revisions since 2007-12-03 (+56 minutes), 15 editors, 86 pageviews (30 days). (Note: Later today, I will add a couple of references to support my point #2.)   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 17:56, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I added a couple of citations as promised and copy edited the nomination (diff).   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 22:39, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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References

  1. ^ Ambrose, Nicoline Grinager, and Ehud Yairi. "Normative Disfluency Data for Early Childhood Stuttering." Journal of Speech, Language, and Hearing Research 42, no. 4 (1999): 895-909 ("Stuttering is shown to be qualitatively as well as quantitatively different from normal disfluency even at the earliest stages of stuttering.")
  2. ^ Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 9th ed., Kindle ed., edited by Marie T. O’Toole (St. Louis: Mosby Elsevier, 2013): loc. 70831 ("dysfluency, n. difficulty of proceeding, said of speech disorders such as stuttering.").
  3. ^ Culatta, Richard, and Linda Leeper. "The Differential Diagnosis of Disfluency." National Student Speech Language Hearing Association Journal 17 (1989): 59-64. ("Speech disfluency can be a symptom of many different disorders.")
I agree that the term is used in a smattering of reliable sources. Unfortunately, those sources assign different meanings to the phrase. If this article described those various definitions and noted that the term is used in only a small number of peer-reviewed scholarly articles and textbooks, the article would at least present accurate information, although I would still question the notability of the term. ¶ The speech disfluency article is only marginally better than this one. Adding a discussion about a confusing, obscure phrase to that article would need to occur along with an overhaul of the article as a whole. ¶ Most importantly, I appreciate you taking the time to comment! :0)   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 22:33, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Response from OP: I did not search Google, I compared use of the terms in the academic literature (Google Scholar) and in books (Ngram), so WP:GHITS is not applicable. ¶ Regarding "... the term is used in reliable sources", I wrote above: "I agree that the term is used in a smattering of reliable sources. Unfortunately, those sources assign different meanings to the phrase. If this article described those various definitions and noted that the term is used in only a small number of peer-reviewed scholarly articles and textbooks, the article would at least present accurate information ...."   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 20:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Response from OP: I wholeheartedly agree with your first two sentences. In your last sentence you wrote, "so maybe a move to that is justified". I initially thought you were referring to a Wikipedia article titled "Normal nonfluency", but there is not such an article on the English Wikipedia. I am therefore not sure what you mean by "moving" the article. Thanks!   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I am a man. The traditional male pronouns are fine.) 20:46, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Articles can be renamed or moved if another title seems better. See WP:MOVE. Slp1 (talk) 23:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. A large number of sources were presented here, but there's disagreement about whether the sources presented here, in the article, and/or found via other searches, meet WP:SIGCOV. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Psyop (company)[edit]

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A directory-like listing for an unremarkable production company. Reads more like a puff promotional piece than anything else. Does not meet WP:NCORP; significant WP:RS coverage not found. Please delete [edit: or draftify] per WP:NCORP and WP:NOTFORPROMOTION. Thank you! [Edit: The article was created by User:Justincone's single-purpose account, back when he worked for Psyop.]—Unforgettableid (talk) 21:32, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The Hollywood Reporter verifies that Psyop has won two Annie Awards in the Best Animated Television/Broadcast Commercial category: once in 2012 at the 39th Annie Awards for "Twinings 'Sea'" and once in 2016 at the 43rd Annie Awards for "Coca-Cola 'Man and Dog'".

    Ad Age notes that "Psyop easily could be dubbed the Pixar of the spots world, given its reputation as the go-to shop for top notch animation and design."

    Fast Company calls Psyop "a top animation studio".

    Design Week says Psyop is "the New York-based studio that is making TV animation as fresh as the best work coming out of London".

    Esquire notes, "It's the same formula New York-based Psyop has perfected on dozens of other campaigns that have generated millions of views around the world: Come up with a crazy concept first, then worry about inventing the technology to make it happen."

    Cunard (talk) 11:28, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Guideline section WP:ORGIND warns: "Trade publications must be used with great care. While feature stories[1] from leading trade magazines may be used where independence is clear, there is a presumption against the use of coverage in trade magazines to establish notability. This is because businesses often use these publications to increase their visibility.[2]"
  • Ad Age, Design Week, Digital Arts, Shoot, and The Hollywood Reporter: these are all trade publications. This source states that Fast Company is also a trade publication. So, it looks like the only non-trade source you've found is the Esquire source. Unfortunately, Esquire also used Psyop to help create its augmented-reality magazine issue,[18] so I'm not sure that we can consider Esquire to be an independent source.
  • In general: You've made numerous useful contributions to Wikipedia. However, the sources you've brought to AfD have sometimes been shot down before. (One example: During a Data Design Interactive AfD, you found six sources; but Lordtobi shot them down, and the article got deleted. Another example: During the Olde Boston Bulldogge AfD, you found multiple sources which Atsme shot down; that article, too, got deleted.) Here, too, I may have successfully shot down all of your sources. Our Psyop article was created by User:Justincone's single-purpose account, back when he worked for Psyop. It's pure promotion. Why do you want the article kept? Do you believe that a puff piece written by a Psyop employee really makes Wikipedia a better encyclopedia?
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 07:11, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ A feature story is usually a longer article where the writer has researched and interviewed to tell a factual story about a person, place, event, idea, or issue. Features are not opinion-driven are more in-depth than traditional news stories.
  2. ^ "Trade magazines: Still a marketer's best friend?". Inprela Communications. 30 May 2017.
As for sources, the Hollywood Reporter , LA Times, and Variety are the best sources for the industry. I'd certainly trust the HR over Esquire. Businesses frequently use all types of publications to increase their reliability. I know of no publication that is altogether free from it, especially for features. Fast Company is I think sometimes but not always reliable for notability. As for news asdistinct from features, that the HR reported the prizes is fully reliable evidence. There are undoubtedly other sources for this, including the official list, but HR is sufficient. There's no need for a quote farm to deonstrate a plain fact.
The other material in Ad Age is substantial, and I think goes somewhat beyond puffery, and supports notability But quotes calling something a "top company" is not evidence of its notability, no matter where published--it shouldn't be taken as a formal judgment.
As a more general comment: Even when I disagree with his conclusions, I find Cunard's style of arguments in general to be very helpful, and the need to deal with the sources in detail a reasonable challenge. A detailed analysis of sources is usually the best approach in discussions where determining independent and substantial is critical to the result. Using the information is a matter of judgment. In any honestly disputed case, I could generally find a plausible arguement for interpreting a source to be reliable or not reliable, or evaluating a subject as notable or not notable--the key word in this sentence is plausible. For exactly the same sources, reasonable people can come to different conclusions. The only way of making the actual judgement is consensus on the interpretation. Just like me, Cunard is sometimes, but not always correct. To find AfDs where he was not supported by the consensus is just as easy as to do the same with me, or with anyone who frequently comments here on non-obvious instances. The only way to be always right at AfD is to only comment at the trivial. DGG ( talk ) 19:35, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Dear @DGG:
You make lots of good points, including about Cunard's source-finding often being helpful.
In general, in cases like Psyop's, where a paid editor has created the Wikipedia puff piece, I start by assuming that it's best not to have Wikipedia cover the company at all. This is because the article may keep attracting more spam edits for decades, and it's very possible that there will never be enough watchers to catch and revise all of these spam edits. So, I start out with the presumption that the company is non-notable, and then I seek proof of non-notability.
I do accept it as true that Psyop has won two Annie Awards in the Best Animated Commercial category.
Perhaps it's true that Annie Awards for Best Animated Feature can be used to help prove notability. But perhaps Annie Awards for Best Animated Commercial, which are more-minor Annies, do _not_ help prove notability.
A) There isn't much well-sourced content in the actual Psyop article. The "Awards" table is completely unsourced, the "Original Productions" section is poorly-sourced, and the rest of the article is a mere stub. Perhaps we should temporarily delete or draftify the article until someone bothers writing some better-sourced content?
B) WP:GNG suggests that significant coverage in independent reliable sources is proof of notability, but does not suggest that awards can be proof of notability. Do you believe that, if you ignore the Annie Awards, and if you look only at the Ad Age and Cunard's other sources, Psyop is still notable?
Kind regards, —Unforgettableid (talk) 05:51, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. bd2412 T 00:30, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

G-Log[edit]

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I can't find any evidence that this company meets (or met) WP:NCORP. It's not traded, it doesn't have a notable product (even assumed by Oracle, the buyer). I'm not seeing a ton of in-depth independent coverage towards the GNG, either. There are a couple of claims of awards, but no references towards those and I can't find anything covering them, either -- plus they're about the founder, not the company itself. Mikeblas (talk) 17:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirects can be added at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 07:18, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hound (Transformers)[edit]

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The result was delete. The arguments for deletion have sufficiently more strength in their rationale than the arguments for keeping the article. A major topic of discussion was over whether or not the article subject has significant coverage to where GNG is met, or enough reliable sources that are independent of the subject that address the subject directly and in detail enough to where content can be written without the use of original research. Of those who argued that the article subject meets this criterion, one user listed a number of sources that they found, which was met by rebuttal showing that these sources don't provide significant or primary coverage of the article subject, but only trivial mentions that last only a few lines, or trivial mentions within page footnotes. Other users appear to agree with the notion that significant coverage isn't met, as well as the response in rebuttal. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 09:24, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ramesh Nagaraj Rao[edit]

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Fails WP:NACADEMIC.

As to WP:ANYBIO, nearly nothing apart from Martha Nussbaum's criticism. And, I am highly doubtful of the article, felling afoul of WP:BLP, if the article is indeed sourced to the sole significant third party coverage of his works (Nussbaum). WBGconverse 13:14, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject is not notable as an academic. They are notable per WP:GNG because they have been discussed by various independent writers, as cited in the earlier version:
A search in Google books for "Ramesh Rao" "RSS" gives a sense of the sorts of issue the subject is involved in. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:GNG necessitates significant coverage and it's pretty clear that you have not bothered to read a single of the afore-dumped sources. None apart from Nussbaum devotes more than a couple of lines towards him. Trivial name-drops in footnotes (first and last-but-one cites) and back-cover profiles (sixth, seventh and eighth cites) does not count towards a passage of WP:GNG. I also don't see where is Rao mentioned, in your second, third and last cite; please provide quotes. The interview (fourth cite) is from an unreliable media-unit and does not count any towards a passage of WP:N, either.WBGconverse 15:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sources tend to focus on what Rao has said or written, but that is sufficient to establish notability. For example,
A notable pundit. Aymatth2 (talk) 18:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • IMO, trivial coverage in the form of a single quote and a couple of lines. Even more vitally, negative coverage. Still thanks for bringing this up; I failed to spot it.
More than a couple of lines, more like a page - read it. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wot?! Clarifying the logic underlying such a view, Ramesh Rao, one of Hindutva's most vocal and popular contemporary advocates, state:- [A paragraphed quote].Finely carving out details with all the finesse of a hatchet job, Rao quickly conflates Moplahs with Khilafat and signals the danger of both by dropping the word jihad into the mix. Again, the essentialized Muslim is assigned the role of bogeyman, as no effort is made to understand or to distinguish between the peasant Moplahs of the Malabar Coast rising up against local landlords or the anti-Western imperialism nature of Khilafat or, for that matter, the complexities of the word jihad. WBGconverse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most trivial; a byte in a news-report does not contribute to WP:SIGCOV in any form or manner. I have landed on this news-piece earlier, FWIW.
A paragraph is significant coverage. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Meh.WBGconverse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They do not like the guy, but seem respectable enough to me. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Proving the onus of reliability lies on you.WBGconverse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you dispute the accuracy of this source, which appears to check the facts very carefully, you must demonstrate that they are unreliable through examples. Much of their extensive discussion of the subject is based on an analysis of the subject's own publications. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • We don't deem interviews to contribute any to WP:N. Check comments over the recent RfC on the t/p of WP:INTERVIEW and over other related community-discussions. FWIW, Swarajya is a BJP/Indian-RW-mouthpiece for all practical purposes and its independence is highly questionable. WBGconverse 18:58, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Interviews is an essay, but makes the point that interviews show the subject has been noted and contribute to notability. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I asked you to view the t/p of the essay; esp. the sections about clarifying the section on notability and why it was not promoted to a supplementary guideline. As TonyBallioni said:- The section on notability in particular is just plain wrong: interviews can under no circumstances count towards notability as they are inherently primary sources, and counting them as towards the GNG defeats the point of our being a tertiary source. As someone has noted on the t/p, the essay used to be much clearer on the aspect of notability from interviews, before two paid editors (who have since got banned) modified a lot much of the content. WBGconverse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I see nothing in any guideline that says interviews cannot contribute to notability. What the interviewee says is of course primary, although it may be quoted. The interview shows media interest in the subject. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Winged Blades of Godric: I am intrigued by your comment: "Even more vitally, negative coverage". How does this affect notability? Aymatth2 (talk) 19:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rao is not a high-profile-figure even in the RW eco-system; if we choose to exploit the two RS which covers him (Nussbaum and Bhagavan), we need to write some sort of overtly critical hit-piece on him, which has a high potential to fell afoul of WP:BLP. In case of low-profile-figures, whose sole notability is borderline and comes from entirely negative coverage, we generally exercise our discretion to not have an article 'bout them. WBGconverse 05:19, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Winged Blades of Godric: You may be confusing sources that provide verifiable information and sources that establish notability. When you gutted the earlier version of the article you threw out a lot of content from reliable sources. I propose to restore that information, and to add more from some of the sources that discuss the subject in depth. We cannot say that because much of the discussion of the subject is negative we are forced to write an over-critical and unfair article. We can let the facts speak for themselves. The interviews are useful in giving verifiable quotes by the subject himself. As "one of Hindutva's most vocal and popular contemporary advocates" he warrants an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:43, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Extended content (verging on the WP:BLUDGEON} ——SerialNumber54129 17:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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@Serial Number 54129 and GSS: He is not notable as an academic but as a pundit. Four sources are quoted in the "Reception" section: Krishnan Ramaswamy is very favorable to the subject, while Martha Nussbaum and Manu Bhagavan are less positive and the Coalition Against Genocide is downright hostile - but known for careful fact checking. Are there any inaccuracies? Which sources are not reliable or independent, other than the subject himself? Aymatth2 (talk) 16:43, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not either of them but (as I have iterated before):-
(1) Manu takes one of his quote, as one of the many examples, that he uses in his careful dissection of the broader Hindutva-oriented scholarship. Manu goes on to spend precisely a couple of lines in rebutting him. Non-significant coverage.
(2) Ramaswamy's passage in that much-talked-about book is not reliable (esp. for counting towards WP:N) except for attributing his own views in pursuit of WP:V; the work has garnered a plethora of scholarly criticism. It may be prudential to note the sage words of a Harvard indologist, who once commented[1] about these academics working in the intellectual backwaters of Hindutva :- ... churn out long identical passages, in book after book, sometimes paragraph by paragraph, all copied in cottage industry fashion from earlier books and papers; the whole scene has become one virtually indistinguishable hotchpotch ..... Much of these fringe academicians cross-cite each other but that does not add to notability.
(3) Martha Nussbaum devotes sole significant coverage, which is grossly negative. We need multiple instances of significant coverage.
(4) I personally like CAG but are they reliable? Any reputable scholarly volume which holds them in high esteem and/or references from it, extensively? The sole mentions that I am seeing across RS are mentions of it having successfully lobbied, to have prevented Modi from entering USA. WBGconverse 16:52, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Witzel, Michael (2001). "Autochthonous Aryans? The Evidence from Old Indian and Iranian Texts". Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies. 7 (3doi=10.11588/ejvs.2001.3.830): 24. ISSN 1084-7561.
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