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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 01:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

List of models with the most Vogue covers[edit]

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I don't really think that the number of covers for a magazine a model gets is a defining characteristic of their career. Only source is a forum. Not really encyclopedic. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:59, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete, deletion requested by sole contributor to article. —C.Fred (talk) 00:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

JMemCache(software)[edit]

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Non-notable software Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:59, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Keep. (Non-admin closure). Nomination withdrawn, three Keep votes, no outstanding Delete votes. Anarchangel (talk) 22:10, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Infrared interferometer spectrometer and radiometer[edit]

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Appears to be an individual part of a space probe that is not supported by multiple, credible, independent sources that cover the subject in-depth. CorporateM (Talk) 22:35, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I am surprised by the responses here. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. It is shown through multiple, reliable sources where this piece of the space probe is the subject of the article. No one has provided any sources that would remotely validate that this subject meets notability criterion. The keep votes are based on criteria like a link to a primary source on the NASA website and the fact that the page is linked to in a template, but these arguments have no basis in Wikipedia policy. CorporateM (Talk) 14:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I can see several reliable sources in the article and aside from sourcing the nominator gave no convincing arguments for deletion. The claim that it is not notable because it is an "individual part" of something else is utter nonsense. --W. D. Graham 18:03, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
When I nominated the article it didn't have a single good source. Now it does. Nomination withdrawn. CorporateM (Talk) 20:42, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:59, 14 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Goson Sakai[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that the Japanese version of article is well referenced. This does not address the underlying notability concerns. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 01:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jair Bogaerts[edit]

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According to this article's only reference, this guy isn't even a player anymore, having not even played in the minor leagues since 2011 and never having made it to the majors. Instead, he has apparently become an agent, but due to his very small number of clients (four according to the reference), he obviously is nowhere near as notable as an agent like Scott Boras, for example. I definitely do not believe that he is notable enough to have an article, at least at this time. If he becomes a major agent representing a lot of clients, his article can be recreated, but Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and he does not meet notability requirements at this time. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. j⚛e deckertalk 01:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

True Jesus Church[edit]

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fails WP:GNG, most Google hits seems to be address-books, Wikipedia or releated websites The Banner talk 19:36, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Strange indeed, but I'm not sure that the quoted text can be a copyvio since it is a summary of the communion rites of Christian religion and no doubt recorded in hundreds of documents throughout history. In other words, TJC don't hold the copyright in the first place.  Philg88 talk 14:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
But even when ideas are centuries old, their expression can't be assumed to be in the public domain. Google for the string Only one unleavened bread and grape juice shall be used, and you just get a three-figure total of hits, all seemingly derived from TJC. (In view of this, I'm about to delete the material.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(i) Perhaps if the 10 beliefs are each summarized in 1-3 sentences then it would be acceptable? For example, the Beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist Church are summarized based on their 28 Fundamental Beliefs and at the bottom of that pdf document it reads: "Copyright © 2013, General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists". --Jose77 (talk) 01:48, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(ii) User:Hoary mentioned the statement "given how recently its predecessor was deleted...". Not all readers of Wikipedia understand how to edit a page and where to leave their opinions. If you looked at the first afd of this article, you would see that someone had left his remarks Here instead of on the main afd page and as a result it had gone unnoticed by other readers. Had he known where to properly place his comments then the outcome may have been different today. --Jose77 (talk) 02:15, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Judging from Melton in 1917 it meant the church as compared to other churches. Now we know this AFD is closing as keep, I've watchlisted it, added more sources, started Talk:True Jesus Church and notified WP Christianity looking for a couple of other watchlisters. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:17, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:47, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Mills (musician)[edit]

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Does not appear to pass WP:MUSICIAN. Note that this is not the member of R.E.M. TheLongTone (talk) 19:32, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. His main claim to fame seems to be being a member of Toehider, a band of very unclear notability whose article just leads back here. Coverage provided is pretty much either not independent of Mills or his band, or comes from blogs or other sources that don't meet WP:RS. There looks like some session work there, and there's enough that he's probably pretty good at what he does, but I'm not seeing how he passes any of the notability criteria at WP:MUSIC or WP:CREATIVE. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC).[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Visakhapatnam - Chennai central Super Fast Express[edit]

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Non-notable service. No refs. I see lots of hits in google, but none of the independent ones seem to have in depth coverage. Stuartyeates (talk) 21:17, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:46, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Media determinism[edit]

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Duplicates technological determinism. The source the article relies on most, McLuhan, doesn't use the term, and I'm not finding sufficient reliable sources to establish notability through use anywhere. Most of the ghits I saw were using it in a synonymous sense with technological determinism. WP:OR, fails WP:GNG, neologism, duplicate. — Rhododendrites talk15:38, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Struck !vote above of blocked sock puppet, per WP:SOCKHELP. NorthAmerica1000 06:49, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. (soft) slakrtalk / 02:46, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Inkster[edit]

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Non notable individual. No reliable sources to prove notability. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 08:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sapphire Stagg[edit]

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Non-notable fictional character. All the sources in the article are primary, and a Google search does not turn up any obvious reliable sources. Could optionally be redirected to Metamorpho. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 02:49, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Orville Tiamson[edit]

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As per WP:NPOV, WP:SOAP, WP:AUTOBIO, WP:IRS, and especially WP:NOTE, I'm nominating it for deletion. Orville Tiamson does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (no major exhibitions or citations, 64 likes on Facebook (not the most official measure of notability, but still significant)), and the article is almost all self-written, with his own website and Facebook as two of the five citations. Pcwendland (talk) 13:37, 16 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 08:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Kurzon[edit]

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Fails WP:POLITICIAN, at present only a candidate for office. TheLongTone (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 11:44, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Giraffe Restaurants[edit]

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Not notable beyond its affiliation with Tesco. (If this must be kept, can someone please scrub it for copyright violations if it hasn't already been cleaned because its creator, Animal91X, has been indefinitely blocked for creating copyright violations.)Launchballer 17:37, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Danny Sheehan[edit]

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Non-notable boxer. Peter Rehse (talk) 15:55, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maxie Shapiro[edit]

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Non-notable boxer, a good number of fights some with notable people but no title fights. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED and he does not meet WP:NBOX Peter Rehse (talk) 15:51, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Sarnoi[edit]

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Non-notable boxer does not meet WP:NBOX Peter Rehse (talk) 15:48, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 16:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Ares[edit]

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Fails WP:CREATIVE. Autobiography/resume of U.N. employee who operates non-notable website. The website has no Alexa ranking due to insufficient data.[22] Her books are self-published and not notable, and awards recorded in article are vanity awards. What isn't original research is sourced to her website. AfD failed in 2009 based on alleged chapter about her in non-notable "Romanian encyclopedia," but the link provided ([23]) does not mention her, and only mention ofto her on the site[24] is an item on a vanity award. Link to alleged Romanian writers directory redirects to Chinese site. Figureofnine (talkcontribs) 16:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you please cite some reliable sources for her notability? I have yet to find any. Longwayround (talk) 11:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was 'procedural close. There are two AfDs currently open for this article and as the second has received more editor attention, I'm going to copy the data here and add it to the other AfD. The closure of this AfD is not meant to signify that the article should be kept or deleted and is only being done so the AfD discussion will be kept in one area as opposed to two concurrent AfDs. As they were both opened on the same day, this should not affect the admin decision unless it is closed early. Any further discussion should be held at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HSC Examination 2014 Question Leak (2nd nomination). Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 08:25, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

HSC Examination 2014 Question Leak[edit]

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The article does not have any useful information and violates and should be deleted upon patent nonsense, under the Wikipedia deletion policy filed under A1 (patent nonsense) as it has no useful or relevant information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronjacksonjohn (talkcontribs) 01:32, 25 May 2014‎

  • Delete: Its may real incident, but a lot of problem may happen out there. Its a country internal matter, let them solved it and this information dont have any other use beside political harassment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crazyscript (talkcontribs) 21:30, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:44, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ora Railsback[edit]

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Several searches have failed to turn up detailed discussion of this person, although there are a number of very brief mentions of him. I've found no indication that he meets WP:ACADEMIC or WP:PEOPLE. The article also says he invented the Stroconn but this seems inaccurate although it was based in part on his work.[25] (which is the sort of brief mention I'm finding). Without coverage in depth I'm not sure that the brief, mainly one sentence mentions of him establish notability. Dougweller (talk) 12:18, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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If that's all you've found, you haven't even followed up on the information already there. And you can't spell StroboConn. Funfree (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please read my explanation more carefully about what you need to show notability. I've read all the sources, they are among the trivial mentions I said exist. And I can spell Stroboconn (lowercase 'C' in the source I linked), that was a typo. Dougweller (talk) 15:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7. Bbb23 (talk) 00:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MobilePoint[edit]

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Poorly sourced article about a company. No evidence of notability. Fails WP:ORGDEPTH. - MrX 12:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Citybus route 12A[edit]

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PROD removed by article creator with a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. This seems to be an entirely unremarkable bus route. TheLongTone (talk) 10:48, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 11:42, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cal Poly[edit]

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There should be no confusion created if redirect page was removed and traffic sent to California_Polytechnic_State_University instead, given that there is a link at the top of the page to the other similarly named school. (i.e. WP:PTM) Ostronomer (talk) 08:57, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Labe Safro[edit]

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Non-notable boxer or football player Peter Rehse (talk) 08:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Khan (Pakistani boxer)[edit]

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Non-notable amateur boxer. Peter Rehse (talk) 08:12, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted by User:RHaworth per CSD G7. (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 00:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Doc PenPen B. Takipsilim[edit]

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Very dubious notability. The best claim to notability in the article is this award at the "Peace Poetathon" in Canada. No idea how notable that is, I'm not into poetry, but it does not sound very important, and in any case the page is only a passing mention, not the required in-depth coverage. SpinningSpark 07:49, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. j⚛e deckertalk 16:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RU-58841[edit]

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Article still needs sources JacobiJonesJr (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jytdog, I've added a couple of sources from seemingly reliable medical journals. If it's a sham and reliable sources have said so then we should say so too - no argument there. But is it a notable sham? Stalwart111 03:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
thanks for talking! those sources were there when i made my comment. :) they are primary sources, and all Wikipedia content should be based on secondary sources - we need secondary sources to judge notability. as I wrote, i didn't find any reviews (secondary sources) on pubmed. Jytdog (talk) 03:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The biological activity of a series of nonsteroidal, pure androgen receptor inhibitors was compared using the Syrian hamster ear skin sebaceous gland model. RU 58841, RU 56187, RU 38882 and cyproterone acetate were applied topically for 4 weeks on the ventral ear pinna of sexually mature male Syrian hamsters. Their order of efficacy was as follows: RU 58841 > RU 56187 > RU 38882 > cyproterone acetate. Maximal reduction of 60% in the size of the sebaceous glands was observed in hamsters treated with RU 58841 at a dose of 10 micrograms per day. This degree of inhibition occurred without any systemic side effects as shown by the absence of inhibition on the contralateral untreated ear pinna. Longer treatment did not produce greater inhibition since extending the treatment period from 4 weeks to 12 weeks showed similar data. The effect of RU 58841 was reversible since the inhibited sebaceous glands returned to normal size within 4 weeks after the cessation of the topical applications. The potent localized inhibition of sebaceous glands by RU 58841 demonstrates the excellent potential of this compound as a topical drug for the treatment of acne and other androgen-mediated disorders.

Frankly i don't know or care whether the research is right or wrong in its assessment of properties of this chemical, like whether or not it likely to be effective as acne treatment. But it is a basic thing, a chemical, and it is something that is studied. So it seems to me that it is obviously notable. Is there a wp:CHEMICAL-NOTABILITY standard or some other relevant guideline? Again i am not familiar with Wikipedia practices with respect to chemicals, but it seems to me that if a chemical exists, has a name, has been studied in literature, then it would seem obviously notable. So I stick with my "vote!" of "Speedy Keep" above, unless and until someone educates me differently. --doncram 05:35, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
you are right, doncram, i acknowledge that there was not and is not any bullshit promotion present. i was crabby when i wrote that, argh. sorry all. my point was that this is stuff is only "notable" for its being sold in a schlocky way as a hair growth product. Jytdog (talk) 14:08, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I don't know if those sources are of any value (there is some suggestion they are primary sources but I don't really understand that claim either) but I think there needs to be some separation between the the chemical and the pharmaceuticals subsequently created with that chemical as an active ingredient (or whatever term is used). We shouldn't be promoting the pharmaceutical applications with claims not supported by WP:MEDRS. But coverage of the chemical itself would seem to be okay. I think it's the former Jytdog objects to but the latter that doncram suggests should remain. Stalwart111 08:48, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It was invented as a drug candidate, and apparently picked up by internet shillers. As a drug candidate, it is health-related so we turn to MEDRS. The notability standard for anything health-related in WP:MEDRS is discussion in a peer-reviewed review article (secondary source), and as I said, we have nothing there.... Basic research articles, like the two that you found, Stalwart111, are primary sources and MEDRS warns against basing content (much less whole articles) on primary sources, even more strongly than WP:RS does. Jytdog (talk) 12:45, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think we're at cross purposes a bit. I get that they are primary sources insofar as they provide conclusions about the pharmaceutical applications of the chemical and those conclusions would need interpretation. I agree we couldn't use those as sources for any medical claims which rely on our interpretation of those documents. But for the purposes of providing significant coverage in independent sources for the chemical itself (without any medical application claims) they are okay aren't they? I mean for the purposes of confirming the chemical exists and has a real-world application (as doncram suggests) those sources are okay? They can be used to create an article about the chemical with its basic facts but we couldn't use them as the basis of an article that makes any treatment claims. Have I got that right? (If not, where have I gone wrong?) Stalwart111 13:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:42, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thunder Bay Geography Summative[edit]

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Original research. Statements include, "Thunder Bay Geography Summative By Ella Sabourin", "...Thunder bay that I was able to locate is Future Shop" and. "This is my collage of images. I photographed each image". What isn't original research can be found on Thunder Bay page or copied from thunderbay web site. Bgwhite (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 02:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cloudwear[edit]

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Initial review-- this company doesn't seem notable, it's very small, a search yields this page and the website of this company, and a Facebook page. JacobiJonesJr (talk) 05:41, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Why do you say salt, User:Xxanthippe? Is there any evidence that this article has been created multiple times? I couldn't find any. --MelanieN (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Prescience. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:49, 5 June 2014 (UTC).[reply]
LOL! --MelanieN (talk) 17:30, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Zeus t | u | c 22:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any WP:COI in this matter, such as editing for reward? Xxanthippe (talk) 00:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC).[reply]
- As you can probably see from my public profile, this is my first real foray into creating Wiki content. I'd rather not have it be a failure. Is there anything particularly biased in the article? Redfhendrix (talk) 3:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Redfhendrix, you could request the closing administrator to "userfy" it to you. If they agree, that means it would be put in your own space, not part of the encyclopedia, where you could develop it. Once you think you have enough significant coverage to pass WP:CORP (consensus seems to be that you don't now; and I agree with that assessment; all you have from third-party sources is a few passing mentions, not significant coverage), you could ask that same closing administrator if it is sufficiently improved for you to repost it. --MelanieN (talk) 12:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the insight MelanieN, I will probably do that. Redfhendrix (talk) 3:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
You can make that request here at this discussion, if you like. --MelanieN (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, you can copy the source of the article and paste it into your own sandbox. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC).[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 11:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Rauf Asghar[edit]

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Completely incoherent Gazkthul (talk) 05:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 02:52, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Mbonu[edit]

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Unable to find reliable, secondary sources meeting WP:BASIC. Originally taken from a no-doubt copyrighted alumni association obituary, as can be seen at [28]. j⚛e deckertalk 04:56, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Obits are not suitable for Wikipedia. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 11:37, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When My Name Was Keoko[edit]

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Delete: This article is about a novel that is not notable. The article is almost entirely a summery of the novel. -- Kndimov (talk) 02:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:41, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Andover Wheelers[edit]

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No evidence of notability. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:30, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hawaiian cuisine[edit]

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This WP:TWODABS page does not list any unrelated topics; rather, it lists the general topic of the Cuisine of Hawaii, and a subtopic of that general topic, the Native cuisine of Hawaii. These topics are not ambiguous to one another in the way that, for example, the mythical phoenix is ambiguous to the Arizona city, Phoenix. This is amply demonstrated by the fact that Native Hawaiian cuisine is itself discussed in the general article on the Cuisine of Hawaii. Delete and redirect to Cuisine of Hawaii. bd2412 T 01:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Hawaiian cuisine seems to be a better title than Cuisine of Hawaii, just as we have French cuisine, Chinese cuisine, African cuisine, &c. Note also that these cuisines are divided into more detailed cuisines, such as Provencal cuisine, Cantonese cuisine and Ghanaian cuisine. As Hawaaian cuisine contains different sub-cuisines with particular names, traditions and heritages, it seems appropriate to have a multi-level structure as we do for other complex cases. Andrew (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • And I'd have no objection to the primary topic being at that title with appropriate links and ((main)) tags to Native cuisine of Hawaii which is a sub-topic. I've spent quite a bit of time working on Christmas Island cuisine which has a similar issue. Australian cuisine is the primary topic. You could accurately describe Christmas Island cuisine as "Australian cuisine" but a disambiguation page wouldn't make any sense. People looking for native Hawaiian cuisine will likely include the word "native" in their search or will be directed to the primary cuisine topic with links from history and native cuisine sections. While "two parallel cuisines developed", it's not true to say that only one should be dealt with at Hawaiian cuisine. That article should deal with both and all other sub-cuisines too - anything that forms part of historical or modern cuisine in Hawaii. From there we should have sub-articles dealing with each of the notable sub-cuisines. The Hawaiian cuisine article shouldn't be limited to "food associated with the settlers from New England" with all others relegated to sub-articles.
Cuisine of the United States
(Parent topic)
Hawaiian cuisine
Cuisine of Hawaii
(Primary topic)
Cuisine of Hawaii
Hawaiian cuisine
(Redirect)
Native cuisine of HawaiiNew-England origin
Hawaiian food
Other sub-topic


I've created a little flow chart to illustrate what I mean. Stalwart111 00:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I actually think that this is the best solution, for consistency. I can see no reason for Hawaiian cuisine to contain content different from Cuisine of Hawaii. bd2412 T 01:02, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew, Stalwart111, and BD2412 make good points, but I believe they are mistaken, and the above flow chart is incorrect. Hawaii, a former Kingdom and sovereign nation, is home to the Native Hawaiians, and their food is discussed in terms of the cuisine of Ancient Hawaii, but this is not the primary topic. The primary topic of this article is the cuisine of Hawaii. "Hawaiian" specifically refers to a native person of Hawaiian descent. If we talk about "Hawaiian cuisine" we are talking about Polynesian, Ancient Hawaiian, or Native Hawaiian food. The cuisine of Hawaii is composed of Native Hawaiian cuisine, immigrant cuisine, and contemporary cuisine. Immigrant cuisine can be further broken down into subcategories leading to a total of five overall distinct types of food in Hawaii (Polynesian, Native Hawaiian; European, American, Missionary, and Whalers; Plantation immigrant, ethnic foods; Local food of Hawaii; Hawaii Regional Cuisine). This has been discussed extensively in the past, and community consensus determined "that Cuisine of Hawaii is a preferable name for the general article." Therefore, "Hawaiian cuisine" is not a better title than "Cuisine of Hawaii". "Hawaiian cuisine" has been a stable redirect for this reason. Clearly, there is an argument here for that redirect to do one of many things: 1) remain as before, a redirect to the primary cuisine article; 2) become a dab page 3) redirect to "Native cuisine of Hawaii". As for the flow chart, the primary topic here is "Cuisine of Hawaii". Native cuisine of Hawaii is a possible subtopic. There is no such possible topic as "New-England origin Hawaiian food" since that topic is Cuisine of New England, a related topic. It is discussed in the sources as a post-contact, "Kama'aina" food, one of many. This AfD should not be used in place of a requested move discussion. I recommend that the nominator withdraw the nomination and that a discussion take place on the talk page(s) to determine the course of action for the current redirect. We are not discussing a deletion topic here so this AfD serves no purpose but to muddy the water. Viriditas (talk) 06:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, my flow-chart was just to illustrate what I wasn't able to explain properly in prose. Your rationale with regard to the primary topic title makes sense and there does seem to be an existing consensus for that. The "New England" title was just a place-holder to explain where in that arrangement Andrew's suggestion would fit. I've amended the flow-chart to reflect your comment (I think). Stalwart111 07:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The most important point, I think, is that Hawaiian cuisine does not mean anything different from Cuisine of Hawaii, and that (as the flow chart indicates) there should be one general article on all the kinds of cuisine associated with Hawaii, with specific kinds of Hawaiian cuisine being treated as subtopics. bd2412 T 13:54, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Hawaiian cuisine" does mean something different, as I explained up above. "Hawaiian" refers to "Native Hawaiian" or "Ancient Hawaiian" cuisine. People who live in Hawaii are not "Hawaiians", they are either Native Hawaiian by ethnicity or they are residents of Hawaii. Long-term residents are called kama'aina or locals, however locals generally means that you are born and raised in Hawaii, whereas Kama'aina is often used for someone who was not. We already have a stable, general article on "all kinds of cuisine" associated with Hawaii, and it is appropriately titled, "Cuisine of Hawaii" for good reason. Whether we need to treat specific kinds of cuisine as subtopics depends on factors that have nothing to do with this discussion. Viriditas (talk) 23:56, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I see a distinction in the sources between "Hawaiian food" and "local food", and between "Hawaiian food" and "haole food", but no source makes a distinction between the phrase "Hawaiian cuisine" and the phrase "Cuisine of Hawaii". Since these are the titles at issue, please provide a source making this specific distinction. bd2412 T 00:13, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Hawaiian food" is a synonym for "Hawaiian cuisine". Therefore, you have already acknowledged the distinction. Are you making an argument from ignorance here? Are you seriously claiming that the term "Hawaiian food" and "Hawaiian cuisine" mean different things on Wikipedia? We don't call our articles "Food of X", we call them "Cuisine of Y" by definition and naming convention. I've already discussed how the word "Hawaiian" is generally used to refer to the Native people of Hawaii, not to the cuisine of Hawaii. Since you've already demonstrated the distinction, can you please stop with the fallacies and withdraw this poorly nominated AfD? Viriditas (talk) 01:16, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's an odd position to take given how easy it is to find sources which describe "Hawaiian cuisine" as an umbrella term with the same meaning as you proffer for "Cuisine of Hawaii", encompassing both native and imported cuisines - for example:
  • Bree Kessler, Moon Big Island of Hawai'i: Including Hawai'i Volcanoes National Park (2012): Hawaiian cuisine consists of several genres: “plantation foods," “local foods," and “Hawaii Regional Cuisine."
  • Xiaojian Zhao, ‎Edward J.W. Park, PH.D., Asian Americans: An Encyclopedia of Social, Cultural, Economic, and Political History (2013), p. 485: Hawaiian cuisine can be split into two categories: Native Hawaiian and “local.”
  • Corey Sandler, ‎Michael Roney, The Complete Idiot's Guide to Hawaii (2007), p. 26: Because of its history as a melting pot of cultures, Hawaiian cuisine borrows the best of many world cuisines, from Japanese, Chinese, Korean, native Hawaiian, and even Portuguese, to a fusion of them all.
I will therefore elect to follow the sources. Cheers! bd2412 T 01:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another fallacy, this time the search engine test fallacy. Will the fallacies ever end? "Measuring is easy. What's hard is knowing what it is you're measuring and what your measurement can mean." BIG FAIL. You did a Google search on your preferred term and then decide, based on three instances of erroneous usage in non-specialist sources, that your search results are accurate. Are you kidding me? Moon Big Island of Hawai'i isn't a book about the cuisine of Hawaii. It's a tertiary travel guide about the Big Island. The author writes about the Big Island and uses the term "Hawaiian cuisine" loosely and without regard to how sources about the cuisine of Hawaii actually use it. Why does Arnonld Hura, for example, name his 178 page book,Kau Kau: Cuisine & Culture in the Hawaiian Islands, rather than "Hawaiian cuisine"? Is it because he recognizes the distinction between traditional Native Hawaiian cuisine and the cuisine of Hawaii in general? As if one tertiary source that isn't about cuisine in Hawaii wasn't enough, now you point to a second tertiary sources that isn't about food in Hawaii to support your cherry picked fallacy, this time Zhao & Park's Asian Americans: An Encyclopedia of Social, Cultural, Economic, and Political History. Zhao & Park list their references at the bottom, Laudan 1996 and Takaki 1983, neither one of which use the term "Hawaiian cuisine" in this matter. So, as it turns out "Hawaiian cuisine" in Zhao & Park's tertiary sources was a naming convention that they chose to use for their encyclopedia about Asian-Americans, but not an actual term used in the literature about the cuisine in Hawaii. BD2412, this is not how we use sources. The sources about the cuisine of Hawaii, written by historians and food specialists, do not use the term "Hawaiian cuisine" to refer to the general food of Hawaii. That you found two tertiary sources who chose to use this term even though the sources they cite do not is not a big surprise. What's surprising is that you actually think that the fallacy of the search engine result is actually how we choose titles and write articles. It's not. First of all, we rely on secondary sources about the topic. Second of all, we choose authoritative sources about the topic. Third of all, we do the research and read the actual sources. I hope this is clear and that I've corrected your misunderstanding. Rachel Laudan provides an extensive bibliography on pp. 277-288 that you should pursue if you are interested in what the sources actually say. The next time you respond to this discussion please respond only with sources about the cuisine of Hawaii. Please do not try to cherry pick your preferred search term from sources about other topics. We use the title "Cuisine of Hawaii" because 1) that is an acceptable naming convention on Wikipedia, and 2) there is an acknowledged ambiguity with the term "Hawaiian", which is reserved for the Native Hawaiian people, not for the cuisine of Hawaii in general. This is the same reason why "Hawaii Regional Cuisine" is not named "Hawaiian Regional Cuisine". Given that the most contemporary style of Hawaii-related cuisine does not use the term "Hawaiian" in its name, I can still find many sources that use this name erroneously.[38] The fact that you can find this usage, does not imply it is acceptable or correct. It merely shows that many authors and editors are ignorant on the subject. If we were to follow your argument, we should now change the title of our article on Hawaii Regional Cuisine to "Hawaiian Regional Cuisine". Of course, this change would be wrong. I believe this counterargument directly refutes your central point. Viriditas (talk) 02:20, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Can you address this to the content of the article? At the time that I nominated this page for deletion, it was a WP:TWODABS page indicating that the phrase "Hawaiian cuisine" may refer equally to Native Hawaiian cuisine or to Cuisine of Hawaii. TWODABS requires the page to point to the primary topic if there is one, so the existence of a disambiguation page at all indicates that the term can have either meaning, which is particularly problematic where one meaning is a subtopic of the other, as is clearly the case with Native Hawaiian cuisine, one kind of Cuisine of Hawaii. Currently, the article states: "Hawaiian cuisine is the food and distinctive dishes of the Hawaiian islands. This is divided into two main strands:- native Hawaiian cuisine — the Polynesian food eaten on the islands prior to European contact — and the foods imported and eaten by more recent immigrants such as the settlers from New England". This would seem to differ from your above suggestion that "Hawaiian cuisine" does not encompass "the foods imported and eaten by more recent immigrants". If the current content is wrong, then the page should redirect to Native cuisine of Hawaii; if the current content is right, then all we have is a content fork of the existing Cuisine of Hawaii. The question is not whether it is wrong, but how it is wrong. bd2412 T 02:35, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
This is another false dilemma. This isn't an either/or situation, and the ambiguity of the term "Hawaiian" leads to the primary topic not to the Native Hawaiian fork. If that fork is ever to evolve, then with the existence of two pages, we would have a hatnote on the cuisine article, because that is the primary topic. You keep seeing this as a black and white situation when it is not. To recap yet again, previous move discussions left the article under discussion as a redirect to "Cuisine of Hawaii". Recently, a sockpuppet deliberately ignored this consensus and began disrupting the entire topic area and made a complete mess of the policies and guidelines in the process. This included removing the redirect and replacing it with a dab page, without any discussion, and forking content out of the main cuisine article into a new article. We already have a stable article on the "Cuisine of Hawaii', appropriately sourced to secondary sources about the subject. The latest version of the nominated dab page has forked the stable topic version, using two tertiary sources that cite the secondary sources incorrectly. Furthermore, those particular sources use the term "food of Hawaii" which is synonymous with the term "Cuisine of Hawaii'. And while it may seem logical to simply split this into pre-contact and post-contact foods as these tertiary sources do, by identifying two main strands, that's only a top-level perspective. Food historians like Laudan split the two types further into five distinct types (although at the time of her book, HRC was new, so she mostly focused on only four, but still acknowledged HRC). This is because each type builds upon the other, with HRC incorporating all four previous styles. As I said before, this nomination should be withdrawn, the redirect should be restored, and the discussion should continue on the appropriate talk page. We don't fork stable articles, we don't create them with tertiary sources that differ from the secondary sources, and we don't use AfD as a substitute for article talk discussion. There's a hell of a lot of disruption going on here, and it really needs to stop. Viriditas (talk) 03:13, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that we agree that the current content needs to go, and a redirect should exist in its place, which is the point of the AfD. Please note that my proposal was to delete the disambiguation page (which you seem to agree should not be at this title) and redirect this title elsewhere (which you have just advocated). I have no objection to the page redirecting to Native cuisine of Hawaii; I just don't think that it is a title requiring a disambiguation page. Turning a page with content into a redirect still requires deletion of that content, so I believe that an AfD is required in such a circumstance (and, indeed, we often have AfDs that result in redirects). bd2412 T 03:28, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Why is deletion required when all one has to do is revert to the previous redirect? I said before, there is an argument for a dab page, but it is a poor one at best. We could create a dab page that lists many different types of Hawaii-related food articles. But again, I think at present, the dab should be reverted back to the redirect before the commotion began and a hatnote placed on the primary. Again, a dab page is one solution to this issue, but perhaps not the best solution. Still, I don't see anything requiring deletion. At the end of the day this is a reqmove/dab discussion, not an AfD. Viriditas (talk) 03:34, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The nom is proposing a deletion by redirect (see policy WP:ATD-R). The policy says "If the change is disputed, an attempt should be made on the talk page to reach a consensus". Like talk pages, AfD is a forum for consensus, which the nom probably has a right to choose. -- GreenC 05:05, 5 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • People have the right to start an AfD, is my point. It's a type of consensus discussion, just like talk page discussions. The policy says "talk page" but again, that is a generic way of saying "work it out through consensus" which is what an AfD is. I may propose the policy be amended to better reflect as it's too restricting as-is, editors have the right to deal with WP:ATD-R in any consensus-building way. -- GreenC 16:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 01:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kea Wong[edit]

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Her most notable role according to the article is a cameo, barely noticeable. JDDJS (talk) 03:53, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Arti Film[edit]

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Advertising, fails WP:GNG. The Banner talk 14:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Gausur Rahman[edit]

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Not enough sources to establish notability. This is the only thing I could find. 舎利弗 (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Whitney (boxer)[edit]

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Non-notable boxer. The one reference is about another boxer who used his nickname first. Peter Rehse (talk) 09:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE j⚛e deckertalk 00:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Badi Door Se Aaye Hain[edit]

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No demonstration of notability per the general notability guideline and is covered by WP:CRYSTAL. Creator is a now blocked sockpuppeteer so I haven't notified them of this nomination. Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 05:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. j⚛e deckertalk 00:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mountain Mayhem 2008[edit]

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The event is itself notable but as an individual race, it isn't. The inclusion of this is like allowing individual school cross country contests to be included, which is hardly notable itself. Donnie Park (talk) 01:40, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 10:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Patricia Feerick[edit]

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I don't see that the sources demonstrates that this person meets WP:PERP. j⚛e deckertalk 00:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for WP:VER and WP:BIO1E.Blue Riband► 12:18, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was delete. slakrtalk / 02:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Bone Clocks[edit]

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WP:SPECULATION about a future novel. Only reference is publisher's page, no independent reviews or announcements. Mikeblas (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 10:22, 8 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Non-notable; no indication of significance; very short and not human-edited for several years Listroiderbobtalkeditsmore 00:12, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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