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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G12 by Amatulic (talk · contribs). Begonia brandbygeana (talk) 11:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Kauffman[edit]

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While the subject might be notable this article appears to mostly be an advertisement for the management company with a big dose of COI as well. Eeekster (talk) 23:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 19:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

R1soft Hyper-V VHD Explorer[edit]

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I found no significant coverage for this product. The only source in the article is the official website. Fails WP:N. SL93 (talk) 23:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bodo Sandberg[edit]

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No indications of notability. This article appears to be based entirely on a memoir written by the subject's son and self-published on webs.com. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 23:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Found a mention on Google Books and one in NRC Handelsblad (behind paywall). Not conclusive though to show notability. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 23:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Long-established practice is that major geographic features are notable.  Sandstein  06:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Valea Vacii River[edit]

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One-sentence stub, no reliable sources about 10 pages into Google, seems non-notable. Pilif12p 22:37, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Besides the river is part of the officially codified river network of Romania. The article indicates this official code which is used by authorities to identify the river. This in itself should justify the notability which been assessed by the water authorities of the country. Afil (talk) 05:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 19:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Barnes & Noble Nook Tablet vs Amazon Kindle Fire[edit]

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Bit of an odd one this, I can't really see how it's encyclopedic. The two subjects are clearly notable, but a comparison? My deletion rationale is based around WP:NOTCASE or WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Pol430 talk to me 22:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is that the incident is not notable enough to warrant coverage in an article.  Sandstein  07:07, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Air India Flight 829[edit]

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non notable incident. Doesn't meet WP:aircrash William 22:11, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn, consensus to keep reached (no more delete arguments) Tone 22:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cockbridge[edit]

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the subject is non notable, unverifiable (no sources at all) and has no prospect for expansion. U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 21:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I withdraw this nomination... didn't realise it has already been discussed. Sorry. --U5K0'sTalkMake WikiLove not WikiWar 22:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Numerous articles are discussed multiple times here. --Eleassar my talk 15:42, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Nice work with finding more content. Now happily changing my opinion to keep (though it is far from a comprehensive article). --Tone 16:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a sentence about why it is notable and a source. --Eleassar my talk 17:10, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Scooby-Doo Project[edit]

To watch the 9 minute video on YouTube, visit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMsA6_Qh_jw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.83.124.130 (talk) 23:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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This is also a non notable scooby-doo episode. I couldn't find any reliable source. mabdul 21:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 19:57, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jesse Abundis[edit]

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Doesn't look like much information is added to the article. It has no importance in my opinion. Creation7689 (talk) 21:19, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Khalifa Coastal Refinery[edit]

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Not notable and no notability asserted. This may partly because the refinery doesn't actually exist yet as both the only two references make clear. Speculative and crystal ball gazing.  Velella  Velella Talk   20:12, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to School District 44 North Vancouver. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Braemar Elementary School[edit]

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School through grade 7. Convention with such schools is (I understand) to delete and/or redirect. Appears to be non-notable. Zero refs here, and thus zero RS-supported text to consider merging. Delete (w/redirect to whatever makes sense would be fine) appears to be in order. Tagged for lack of refs for over 2 years. Epeefleche (talk) 19:29, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I can't see any clear evidence of Copyvio on that page. Please provide diffs or a Duplication Detector report. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fmph, if you are suggesting that School District 44 North Vancouver is possibly copyvio, there is other evidence that this school belongs to that district, so I don't see any problems with a redirect. NLinpublic (talk) 19:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 19:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lehigh Valley/Allentown AHL team[edit]

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article based on an assumption that a yet to be built arena (Allentown Arena) will host a specific team (Adirondack Phantoms). I don't believe there's been any acknowledgement, let alone statement, from the American Hockey League regarding any relocation yet. TerminalPreppie (talk) 19:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. Should this be userfied in case an announcement is made soon? Patken4 (talk) 23:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why? There nothing substantial in the article, and a lot of it is pure speculation (color scheme etc). TerminalPreppie (talk) 13:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I can't imagine that an announcement could be made "soon" or even "in the foreseeable future" when ground hasn't even been broken a contractor hasn't even yet been chosen to build the arena. Beyond that, look ... would it take any of us as much as a half hour to create such an article? Userfying is useful when there are references and information that would be difficult to compile. This isn't such a case. Ravenswing 00:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • They started demolishing buildings in November of 2011. I live a block from the arena. Everything's been official for awhile. Not sure why this was ever deleted.]]
      • Beyond that any admin can hit the undelete button and get everything back anyways. -DJSasso (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Consensus is that the subject is not notable enough for an article. The "keep" opinions do not address the analysis of the quality of the sources, instead going on at length about tangential issues such as other articles or user conduct.  Sandstein  08:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ehsan Mehmood Khan[edit]

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This analysis is essentially a summary of NLinpublic (talk · contribs)'s discussion here. Using this version of the page, there are seven sources. None indicate notability per either WP:N or WP:PROF. That is, none discuss the subject of the page in detail; instead, most are citations of the individual's work indicating he has written articles for newspapers and the like. Below are the seven sources used:

  1. [5] dead
  2. [6] An article written by Khan, which does not establish notability
  3. [7] A page indicating he is an alumni of "National Defense University"; a source, not an indication of notability
  4. [8] Khan is cited by another author - not an extensive discussion, merely two brief paragraphs in which Khan is quoted (it's a little more complicated than that, but irrespective does not establish notability)
  5. [9] One of Khan's articles is mentioned as a see also in an academic paper, no indication of notability
  6. [10] As with 5, Khan's work is used as a see also rather than an actual discussion of Khan himself; does not establish notability
  7. [11] A third example of Khan being cited, not being discussed (on page 28, footnote 5)
  8. A variety of external links have been added to the bottom of the page; these all appear to be written by rather than written about Khan and thus do not establish notability.

There is no demonstration of notability in that there is no discussion of Khan, his actions or his publications. An academic (or in this case an analyst) being cited does not establish notability. Since NLinpublic's analysis, additional pieces written by Khan have been added [12] but none are about him. There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding notability - merely having published pieces is not sufficient to pass notability; the page's subject must be demonstrated independently notable through discussion by others. Since the page's subject is from Pakistan, we could use Urdu sources per WP:NOENG if they can be located but to date none have been integrated into the page (and would require careful vetting due to translation issues, natch). WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 19:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm asking whether anyone knows of further sources. I don't. Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:16, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if someone knew of other sources it probably wouldn't be at AfD, would it? </dry> :p NLinpublic (talk) 19:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't follow. Cusop Dingle (talk) 19:48, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind... NLinpublic (talk) 20:01, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Per WP:NOENG, if such sources are available then they can be used to demonstrate notability. Naturally, this will open the unpleasant can of worms that is translation. However, until these sources are found, the point is moot. I'm willing to withdraw the nomination in the face of acceptable sources in Urdu or other languages, but until they appear... WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 20:19, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Second,in google search,if you a well known person with wrong spelling clicking,in google search automatically appear,"Do you mean that"? and then with wrong and right spelling both names information displays. For the surety, I searched again the names mentioned in your comment,but find nothing except actors,dancers and singers etc. Justice007 (talk) 11:45, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did mean different spellings (not necessarily wrong ones per se, because names in languages used in Pakistan can be written multiple ways in English). While alternate spellings may come up, they don't always. For instance I can search "Yugi Muto" (fictional character in Yu-Gi-Oh!) but Google won't tell me that there are many other ways of spelling both his given and family names (Muto, Mutoh, Mutoo, Mutou, not to mention ones with macrons and circumflexes) (Yugi, Yuhgi, Yuugi, and ones with macrons and circumflexes) WhisperToMe (talk) 14:53, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ok...where do I start? The allegations of sockpuppetry and COI? The WP:IDHT attitude regarding writing versus being written about? The comparison to Shakespeare? Ahh well...
JC Bills, first I want to thank you for the work you've put into the article. Whatever else may happen, you are quite dedicated to your topic. Now, you point to SubContinentalAnalyst's comment at the BLPN. I won't spend much time on it, since all he does is say that Justice has been editing in bad faith ("egoistic edit feud") and repeat the same stuff that you have been saying for a while: that he is notable "beyond any shadow of doubt" and anyone reverting you is in the wrong. Next, you say that both Justice and I have or had two accounts, while forgetting to note that Justice changed his name because of harassment just like this concerning his possible COI. (My second account, NLinpublic, is pretty self-explanatory.) You add that Justice, after getting his own article created, has made life difficult for other Pakistani BLP's because he has a COI. Here's another way of looking at it: Justice has been editing those articles because that's what he's knowledgeable in. There aren't many editors on Wikipedia who focus on Pakistani poets and writers, and its not a stretch to say that Ehsan is an "expert" in that area. There has never been evidence of malice on his part, and his rationales and understanding of policy have been surprisingly accurate for an editor of his type. Lastly, you make comparison to the article Ehsan Sehgal, saying that there is a lack of verifiable sourcing there and so on. Here's something you should know then. All of those newspaper articles are online, and completely verifiable. At this moment, I have images of all of them on my computer, and if you wish I can point you to the website where you can get them yourself. There's no double standard. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nolelover, I really feel sorry if the above description of facts has hurt your feelings yet if you (impartially, justly and cool-mindedly) visit the above blue-coloured userlinks of accounts of Ehsan Sehgal and yourself, it (unfortunately) exposes the kind of Nolelover’s love for Ehsan Sehgal. Both of you had, indeed, been reverting the edits made in Ehsan Mehmood Khan for inclusion of references and external links. Interestingly, Ehsan Sehgal (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) had been declaring various references and external links in Ehsan Mehmood Khan as self-promotional and reverting edits immediately within seconds after they were made by IPs and editors. Quite unfortunate that you still hold him to be a good faith editor - may be for his cherishing remarks about you as placed here and at a number of places in your talk page. Dual standard on the part of both of you is thus possibly irrefutable. I again request to drop such attitude and let this article on Khan kept and expanded. Thank you.--JC Bills (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I...I am speechless... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:32, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The editors !voting "Keep" need to review the guidelines on notability. Notability is demonstrated, it is not asserted. In other words - pages are kept because people can find reliable, independent sources that discuss the article's topic. Pages are not kept because the editors who are !voting delete are mean, biased or have edit warred - see WP:ADHOM. Pages are kept because somebody managed to find reliable source that discussed the page's subject at length. Stop talking about the motivation of specific wikipedia editors. Focus your efforts on finding sources that have lengthy discussions of Khan specifically, or you are wasting your, and everybody else's time as the closing admin will discount your !votes. Deletion is not a democracy where number of votes matters - the quality of arguments are more important. To date there has been no actual reasons provided why the current sources in the page are adequate to establish notability; per WP:LOTSOFSOURCES, they are not. Please review WP:GOODARG and the notability guidelines for academics to see what is required to avoid deletion. Please also review the expected etiquette during a deletion discussion and formatting required. Making a !vote BIG doesn't make it more valid, it just makes it more difficult to administrate the page. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 17:28, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion is about whether there are adequate sources indicating Ehsan Mehmood Khan is notable enough to avoid deletion. Please take tangential discussions elsewhere. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 12:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on sock/meat puppetry accusations - JCBills, the accusations of sockpuppetry by Justice007 (and daughters) need to either be backed up by filing a case at WP:SPI or retracted. As for accusing Nolelover/NLinpublic of socking, well as those are acknowledged alternate accounts, that's just ridiculous and should be struck. LadyofShalott 23:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lady, . . . the accusations of . . . by Justice007 (and daughters) need to either . . . or retracted probably does not justify here in the light of previous versions of his article's talk page some portion of which has probably been archived? (may be a wrong term here) by Nolelover or some other editor which can still be viewed on Talk:Ehsan_Sehgal. It establishes that he created this autobiographic stub Ehsan Sehgal by using names of two of his daughters for making requests to Wikipedians to avoid deletion of that article and that's what he has actually admitted on your talk page found here and now having been caught almost red-handed, he has himself proposed Ehsan Sehgal as AFD again under Nolelover’s courtesy by deposing himself to be a victim like Hussein ibn Ali. As regards, Nolelover or NLinpublic's running two accounts, that's really not the actual area of my concern but his dual standard. Calling it ridiculous by you also does not value being irrelevant. I have nothing to do as to why, how many, legitimate or illegitimate accounts he has been running. That's what the Wikipedia admins (like you) have to see. He, however, may be out of wiki-love, endorsed almost every 007-type edit Ehsan Sehgal did with Ehsan Mehmood Khan.--JC Bills (talk) 06:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 19:58, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alistair Slowe[edit]

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Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully professional league. Ytfc23 (talk) 19:04, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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DO NOT DELETE - this footballer came into the English Professional Leagues via Ghana and then Cyprus which has attracted media attention (I have added a couple of citations and could add more if required), plus he has been on the bench in many League games at Northampton and in FA cup matches at Yeovil and so is on the cusp of his first professional league appearance, plus he has represented both Northampton Town and Yeovil Town in many reserve matches and, in the case of Yeovil, in the Somreset Cup as well. Furthermore, the Academy he founded is sending young African players to Europe as well as making an important contribution to a poor community in Accra and running a semi-professional Ghanaian league team - see www.ghana-football-academy.org. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geogpmsp (talkcontribs) 17:19, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Doha#Education. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Qatar Canadian School[edit]

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School through grade 9. Convention with such schools is (I understand) to delete and/or redirect. Appears to be non-notable. Zero refs here, and thus zero RS-supported text to consider merging. Delete (w/redirect to whatever makes sense would be fine) appears to be in order. Tagged for lack of refs and notability since June. Created by an SPA. Epeefleche (talk) 18:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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NOTE for closer: if this AfD is closed as 'redirect', please remember to include the ((R from school)) on the redirect page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep.  Sandstein  06:52, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indians in Afghanistan[edit]

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This article is pure WP:OR and is being used as a WP:COATRACK. The article says "Indians in Afghanistan currently consist of those working in various construction projects, as part of India's rebuilding efforts in Afghanistan" but is actually about Indian intelligence apparently arming Baloch rebels and attacking Pakistan. Which also makes it a WP:FORK of the Balochistan conflict Darkness Shines (talk) 18:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong keep A very sound article which definately has a place on wikipedia taking note of possible terrorist activities by some organizations does not mean it is pov darkness shines must stop being offended with information he may not agree with 109.150.57.127 (talk) 19:52, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So you are saying it is a WP:FORK of the Balochistan conflict? It is not about construction workers at all? Darkness Shines (talk) 01:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is the article about construction workers or is it about Baloch rebels? Darkness Shines (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article is not about both in general. It is about all Indians in Afghanistan and their life there. These are two notable aspects which are in the scope of the article. Further, your opening statement says that the article says it is about construction workers which is wrong since the article is not just about construction workers and the article also mentions in proper weight about the intelligence activities. Feel free to add the cultural parts if you like. I support the expansion. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If it is not about construction workers the nwhy does the article start off with them? If it is only about Indians then why exactly are Baloch rebels being mentioned? Are Baloch's now Indian nationals? I am quite certain Balochistan is in Pakistan. Darkness Shines (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is crediting all notable reasons for Indians being in Afghanistan. These are just two. If you have others with references, you can add them. But then again, we don't say why is the article saying that Indians are doing these three.. because that's what their notability is there. You can surely object to this by providing references to other kinds of notability which would only support expansion. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:22, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What? You did not address my questions. Darkness Shines (talk) 01:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I did see for your self. --lTopGunl (talk) 01:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Informing the creator is not canvassing, infact it was actually your job which I completed. And I told him to inform all other major contributors since the current history only shows all other minor contributions and the article was once deleted on copy vio. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
He had already been informed Darkness Shines (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't see that... and there's no harm done in anycase if he already knows since it is not canvassing then. Or is it canvassing when only I inform the creator? Pretty self contradicting. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As I said above, the article is well sourced and staying on its scope and this debate about intelligence and construction is better to be started on the talk page of the article and is no reason for it's deletion. That content is already in very short prose and complies with weight as compared to the article size. The article needs to be expanded on all other expects and this (which is a notable part of it) will seem better suited with it then if that is the problem. --lTopGunl (talk) 17:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note the above user is a tad bit paranoid who believes you need a phd or something in that order to edit wikipedia ignore I suggest Suppositries (talk) 21:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A lot of the edits on the page by Pakistani editors seem to be in bad faith and a poor attempt to publish propaganda on Wikipedia. Why waste your time on this? Isn't there anything better for you to do with your time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.71.39.10 (talk) 20:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You should assume good faith when interacting with editors or perceiving their actions. --lTopGunl (talk) 00:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to BlackBerry Curve. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:51, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BlackBerry Curve 9380[edit]

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Article shows no reason for notability, or why it deserves its own article, I believe it should be merged into BlackBerry Curve. Gsingh (talk) 17:46, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 19:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indian Institute of Technology Muddenahalli[edit]

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Delete. This institute does not exist, and per WP:CRYSTAL so shouldn't the article. The cited undated articles are in fact from 2009: here and here are articles with dates, discussing the statement by Veerappa Moily, and verifying the date in which it occurred. Since then, the institute is still merely a proposal. here is a year old report that says again that "Mr. Moily had recently stated that there is a proposal to establish an IIT at Muddenahalli" (my emphasis). I can find no evidence that this was approved, nor that 200 acres were set for it - the news reports discuss 200 acres set for VIAT. Muhandes (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nom - institution doesnt exist so neither should the article. Fmph (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nacchatar Singh Jhajj[edit]

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Zero refs. Zero gnews hits. Zero gbooks hits. Tagged for notability since September, for lack of refs since 2007, and as an orphan for nearly 3 years. Created by a one-edit-only-ever SPA. Epeefleche (talk) 17:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Khaing Moe Lunn[edit]

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Bio with zero refs. Zero gnews hits. Zero gbooks hits. Appears non-notable and OR. Created by an SPA. Tagged for lack of refs for well over 4 years. Epeefleche (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 19:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Book Addict Diet[edit]

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WP:ESSAY ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 16:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete g3, blatant hoax, author created other hoax articles as well. NawlinWiki (talk) 20:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Aur Mrs Khambata[edit]

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Non-notable television program. No indications that it actually exists, based on Google searches. Based on the awards it has won, some internet evidence should exist. Possible hoax. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:56, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sotère Micberth[edit]

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This artist is largely unknown in her own country - or anywhere else, as far as I know. Her father is fairly notable, but she is definitely not. Take not that her (possibly self-promoting) article at the french wikipedia has been deleted four years ago for failing to meet the notability criteria. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, she does exist and works as an artist in France (probably makes a living out of it, too) as do thousands of other people, but that's it. As for the website you found, it actually offers free "virtual exhibition" services to just about anyone. All you have to do is send them 10 jpgs photos of your work and specify when you have done IRL exhibits and voilà, you're on their online catalogue ! (well, for honesty's sake, I suppose that they check that your art has some artistic worth) Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 06:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Tone 19:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MMA Fight Pit: Genesis[edit]

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Non-notable mixed martial arts event. Only a handful of notable fighters. Promoted by a non-notable promotion. Having aired as a PPV does not make the event inherently significant in any way. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:51, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Point-of-entry marketing[edit]

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This article is completely unsourced and I can't find any reliable sources. Also has been tagged as not notable. Kgeee65 (talk) 15:53, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete g3, blatant hoax. NawlinWiki (talk) 20:48, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Khushi Aur Gham/[edit]

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I believe this article may well be a complete hoax. Searches for this title generate no relevant results. Certainly a program that has been on the air for 17 years and received so many awards should have generated SOME internet footprint. At least one claimed award (2010 Indian Television Academy Award for Best Male Actor in a Negative Role) can be verified to be false. (Article claims it went to Ejaz Kapoor but the awards' own website credits Meghna Malik with that award.) WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per G11 (unambiguous advertising) by Jimfbleak (talk · contribs)

Uros Planinc Group[edit]

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Non-notable band. Claims of notability cannot be verified. Google search on name "Uros Planinc" returns only sites controlled by the band itself (myspace, facebook, youtube, etc). No independent sources to be found. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  06:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Meltemi (operating system)[edit]

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This article is pure speculation about a rumoured operating system. You will have to look through the edit history to see what content used to be there as it was blanked. See WP:CRYSTAL for more info. Millermk90 (talk) 05:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

* Delete Keep - no difficulty finding reliable sources - I have added a paragraph citing The Guardian's Technology Blog which is an allowable source (written by a journalist under a national newspaper's authority). I've also unblanked the former text, having checked it for copyvio: it seems OK on that score, though no doubt it needs further work. I agree with Millermk90 that the OS is not yet released: what we are documenting, encyclopedically, is the reporting in theWHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE reliable independent secondary sources of that system THIS IS STILL WP:CRYSTAL. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I just wanted to point out that these sources are not necessarily reliable, since Nokia has made no comments on the OS at all, and the root of all these news stories is a Wall Street Journal article citing "anonymous sources." Additionally, the article makes claims that are simply untrue, such as the claim that it "was announced in 2011", when it was never announced at all, and the given reference actually says that Nokia refuses to comment at all. Millermk90 (talk) 10:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment WP:CRYSTAL does not only apply to future events. It says, "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. While Wikipedia includes up-to-date knowledge about newly revealed products, short articles that consist only of product announcement information are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable. Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content." Despite sources, this article really is speculation and rumour because Nokia has not formally made any comment about the product, despite nearly 2 months passing since the first rumours. Additionally, "more encyclopedic knowledge" is not yet available. Millermk90 (talk) 17:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mmm, you're right, that has to be the policy. On reflection I'm changing my !vote to delete (above). WP:CRYSTAL does apply here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:23, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems You're reading from the policy exactly the opposite to what it states. The information about Meltemi comes with no release announcement, but it is verifiable, thus passing the WP:CRYSTAL test. Just to be more precise: the WP:CRYSTAL prohibits articles on topics that are reported as rumors; the Maltemi is reported as an actual product with The Register confirming its existence. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 14:30, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep It's based on sources, and I don't think "collection of product announcements and rumors" means that we must always delete - of course we don't want to list every single announcement, but this is regarding the number one smartphone and mobile device company. We seem to have articles before official announcement on everything regarding Apple, after all (see [15] still active). If people disagree, then might I also suggested merging with Series 40? The information itself is still useful, and shouldn't be deleted, even if the topic is deemed not to deserve its own article yet. Mdwh (talk) 00:17, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It's not about Series 40. So far analysts suggest that Meltemi would replace Symbian/S60 as the entry-level OS, i.e. the EPOC32 core will be replaced by the Linux core and the S60 UI from latest Symbian releases will be merged with MeeGo 'smartphone' UI. That's potentially dozens of end-user devices and dozen million sales - I don't see how it is unnotable when we have huge articles on Maemo and MeeGo which had very few end-user phones released and sold only several dozen thousands. Let it hang for now - if Meltemi doesn't really get any traction within a year or two, then delete it, right now it's quite promising to delete it right away. --Dmitry (talkcontibs) 10:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

David Yarar[edit]

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Article about footballer who according to svenskfotboll.se (SvFF's official website) has never played in a fully-pro league and which fails the general notability guideline. Earlier proposed deletion was contested with no explanation. Jogurney (talk) 13:16, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:50, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Frye[edit]

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BLP sourced only to IMDB. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  07:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pagnia Xiong[edit]

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Not notable. Unknown label (their front page is selling his latest album...). All links are promotional. No actual references in article. Can't find any that pass wp:rs when searching. Dennis Brown (talk) 17:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Lee style tai chi chuan. (The proposed redirect target is a redirect there.) (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Li Family Arts[edit]

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No notability justified, and the article is more a list of dot points. If the name is worth keeping then maybe convert it to a redirect to Li style T'ai Chi Ch'uanbillinghurst sDrewth 11:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect. CSD A10 would normally apply, except that there is a valid target to redirect to. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Scooby Doo! Music Of The Vampire[edit]

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per WP:CBALL, film/series not released. mabdul 10:00, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. There's actually another article on Wikipedia for the actual movie here: Scooby-Doo! Music of the Vampire. It's being PRODed due to WP:CRYSTAL. This article that's up for deletion right now should be speedied for being a complete hoax, so I'm tagging it now.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 19:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)tokyogirl79[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#A7. SmartSE (talk) 15:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NorthgateArinso Reward Solutions[edit]

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Paucity of substantial rs coverage suggests lack of notability. Tagged for zero refs for over a year. Epeefleche (talk) 08:46, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as a copyright violation. Article was cut-and-pasted from Beerware with only a few of the words changed. Also WP:SNOW. The Bushranger One ping only 23:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CandyWare[edit]

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Neologism - no proof given that this term has actually been used with this meaning. DoriTalkContribs 08:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--Rmartin271 (talk) 16:53, 3 January 2012 (UTC)If all the users had the right to delete articles than Wikipedia would be empty. It might not seem important to you, but can be important to others. In this case Martin Bestawros is trying to prove that he has his own license. When people buy his products from iTUNES or from the web how are they to believe that this license is real. They will search it in google and guess what the first result will be: it will be the wikipedia candware post. Hope you are now more educated about the topic and will reconsider and not just go around deleting pages on wikipedia.[reply]

Delete as a neologism. Wikipedia describes what is notable; it doesn't prescribe it. —Jeremy v^_^v Components:V S M 17:40, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete(G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject). JamesBWatson (talk) 08:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dj markomix[edit]

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Autobiography of a Wikipedian contributor. Abhijay ☎(Тalk)/✍ (My Deeds) 07:50, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bhola Pagal[edit]

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Movie lacks refs, gnews hits, and gbooks hits. Appears to lack substantial independent rs coverage. Tagged for notability and lack of refs since September. Created by an SPA. Epeefleche (talk) 07:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why Can't America Have Human Rights?[edit]

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This event lacks substantial RS coverage. Zero refs. Tagged for notability since June. Epeefleche (talk) 07:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, due to lack of refs and no evidence of notability. Sincerely, Akjar13 (He's Gone Mental) 10:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge to Breakthrough (human rights), no references available other than youtube and social media references and no evidence of notability, plus it's duplicated in the Breakthrough article.--Stvfetterly (talk) 14:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment It needs some RS third-party reviews and assessment of its impact. --Northernhenge (talk) 20:41, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a one-time event would probably need at least some evidence of long-term impact, and I can't even find much RS for original event itself. Nwlaw63 (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete all. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dylan Collier[edit]

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These players all fail WP:RLN as they have not played in a first grade or international match. In addition many have copyvio concerns as they look like they have been copy/paste from the official website. Mattlore (talk) 06:46, 3 January 2012 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related pages due to the above concerns:[reply]

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The result was delete all. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Plantation Open[edit]

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Should be deleted per tennis project ladies tournament guidelines. From 2008–2012 the ITF Women's $35,000–$100,000+ tournaments are the only ones considered notable. These do not meet notability in tennis project guidelines of a $35,000 tournament. Other pages of this low-level type tournament have already been deleted. see - other articles deleted Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:35, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Capistrano Unified School District. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Niguel Hills Middle School[edit]

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This school only teaches grades 6-8 and thus does not enjoy the assumption of notability accorded high schools in AFDs in recent years. Does not appear to satisfy WP:ORG, the relevant notability guideline, despite some run of the mill coverage in the LA Times, in its role as the local newspaper. Edison (talk) 05:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We have had some similar AfDs recently where editors have variously !voted Keep, Delete, Merge, and Redirect, so I think it is understandable that nom brought it here. In fact -- we've even had the situation of a sysop questioning another sysop's close in similar AfDs, so this may be less clear an outcome than it might otherwise appear to be.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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NOTE for closer: if this AfD is closed as 'redirect', please remember to include the ((R from school)) on the redirect page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Tone 20:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Matty Hughes (footballer)[edit]

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Has never played in a fully pro league and never played while at Celtic. Has only played in the Conference & therefore fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Also doesn't seem to pass WP:GNG. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 04:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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References[edit]

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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  07:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cartoon Wars (app)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, can't find any significant third-party sources indicating notability. Contested prod with reasons of unlikely notability as well Falcon8765 (TALK) 21:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Postal Address Verification[edit]

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unreferenced original research. Reads like an essay on the subject. Possibly notable subject but not in this form. Can be adequately covered in existing Address Verification System‎ article. RadioFan (talk) 21:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment there is nothing else you can do right now. This discussion must run it's course. An administrator will consider the discussion and determine if consensus has been gained to keep or delete the article.--RadioFan (talk) 04:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep as it is confusing in its current form. One, the first sentance of the article should explain the subject, e.g. 'Postal Addess Verification' is.. then describe how it differs from 'Address Verification System'. Two, Wikipedia cannot be used as source material as per WP:CIRCULAR. To learn how to cross reference to other Wikipedia articles see Help:Wikilinks. Mariepr (talk) 17:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the current article is confusing. It's not clear why a dedicated article is needed.--RadioFan (talk) 18:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Credit card AVS is used only to authenticate credit card ownership, where Postal Address Verification is used to determine deliverability to a specific address. I just clarified this in the article. Jwnacnud (talk) 01:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The internal (wikipedia) references have now been changed to inline links according to Help:Wikilinks and they no longer are shown as references for the article. Thanks for the heads up. Jwnacnud (talk) 05:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Author may want to consider working with somebody who has no knowledge of these address verification systems. In its present form it is very confusing and seems to be written for somebody having advanced technical knowledge of bulk mailing lists. Articles must be understandable to the average reader. Mariepr (talk) 16:57, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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Weak Keep Article content is not covered elsewhere, however is still in need of significant attention.

Comment Author might consider reworking the article to adopt a more international perspective, such as that used in Postal Code and Address (geography) articles. Postal Address Verification is in use in many other countries beyond the US, at the very least those with local subsidiaries of organisations such as Experian-QAS.M1rtyn (talk) 07:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete by NawlinWiki (talk · contribs) under WP:CSD#A7, as no explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content). (non-admin closure) Quasihuman | Talk 11:13, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wacko Bob[edit]

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Possible Autobiography of a Wikipedian user. Abhijay ☎(Тalk)/✍ (My Deeds) 03:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Boeing 737 rudder issues. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:39, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MetroJet Flight 2710[edit]

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Non notable incident. Isn't a hull loss. Doesn't meet WP:AIRCRASH criteria. Might be worth noting i 737 article only because of that aircraft's history of rudder deflections. William 21:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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The result was Withdrawn. SL93 (talk) 02:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jam 9[edit]

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I found zero sources. The band won a rookie award and only released one song according to the article. That was back in 2003. The official website is a dead link. Fails WP:MUSIC. SL93 (talk) 03:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jujutacular talk 06:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Single Remix Tracks[edit]

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Limited release, lacks notability. Article only consists of track listing and basic release info. —Andrewstalk 21:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Unfortunately, I cannot find anything. :( Jivesh1205 (Talk) 15:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Have you searched books? You won't find too many web sources. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Great idea. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 19:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 12:37, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sacramento entertainers[edit]

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Unsourced for more than four years, convert to a category. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 02:18, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CTrader[edit]

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doubt notability Lmatt (talk) 01:59, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep; clear consensus that the subject meets WP:POLITICIAN. (non-admin closure)  Gongshow Talk 09:20, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cynthia Thielen[edit]

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Does not appear to be sufficiently notable. Herp Derp (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep; clear consensus that the subject meets WP:POLITICIAN. (non-admin closure)  Gongshow Talk 09:20, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kymberly Pine[edit]

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Does not appear to be sufficiently notable. Herp Derp (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:57, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Richard of Flanders[edit]

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The existence of this individual is derived from a non-reliable, fantasmagorical 19th-century genealogical 'just-so' story based on nothing more than that the ancestor of the first Counts of Flanders had the role of Forester, so he must have been ancestor of everyone named Forster and even Foster. No modern account of the Counts of Flanders even wastes time refuting such patent nonsense. Agricolae (talk) 06:45, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Of the two links provided by DPHutchins, one is to a self-published web site, and thus not a reliable source. The other, as far as I can tell, has absolutely nothing to do with this concocted Sir Richard of Flanders, dealing with events 400 years later. A nihilistic portrayal of history is inconsistent with the need for sources that satisfy WP:RS, and this is not overcome by an WP:Other stuff exists argument. If you are aware of other pages similarly based on such genealogical fantasy, please identify them so they too can be nominated for deletion. As to whether Richard of Flanders existed but was not son of Baldwin, this too is untrue. He has no existence independent of this invented origin myth for the Forster/Foster families. Without the connection we are left with someone named Richard, of which there are too many to distinguish. Simply put, someone made up the whole thing to give the Forsters royal descent. Agricolae (talk) 19:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the fact that there is a dispute about this person according to http://minerdescent.com/2011/09/27/sir-richard-forester-of-flanders is evidence for keeping. Ultimately we're writing about the historical memory of the person, not the person himself, so existence is (usually) irrelevant, moreover if http://minerdescent.com/2011/09/27/sir-richard-forester-of-flanders finds the dispute over his existence notable, then a notable dispute is evidence for notability. I guess the question I'm asking is, if Richard of Flanders is a fantasy, is he a notable fantasy? I can't say I'm certain either way, but let's make sure the discussion takes this into consideration Jztinfinity (talk) 09:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There was an unfortunate period in genealogy when tens of thousands of such invented ancestors were wished into being, and for the past 100 years the only people who give them the time of day are the credulous descendants for whom the connections created are too good not to repeat. It takes more than just a couple of century-old non-scholarly books making the claim and a collection of self-published web sites saying 'is so', 'is not' to establish notability of such an invention. It is such obvious nonsense that serious scholars don't even waste their time refuting it, so there is no serious debate. This is not King Arthur or Beowulf we are talking about here, it is just the whim of one author who had more imagination than self-control, and an invention in no way unique among all of the genealogical fantasies so created - arguably this so-called Richard of Flanders isn't even the most notable invention in this pedigree, and doesn't merit a page, either as reality or legend. Agricolae (talk) 16:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No. The existence of Richard Le Forester and his 'sons' cannot be established. Were there Richards and Hughs that were foresters, yes, dozens. Do these bear any resemblance to the 'Richard the Forester' of Pearce, no. This is not just a question of scholarly guesses, which are hard enough to deal with in a context such as Wikipedia, but outright BS. Pearce and his ilk have taken any reference to anyone being a forester and merged them together, making composite characters and forging genealogical connections between people with no link except a shared occupation, with a healthy dose of invention as the glue to stick it all together (or even more correctly, they take an invented pedigree and decorate it with supposedly relevant historical documents). It is not just the linkage to the Counts of Flanders that is in question. The whole thing is 19th century historical fiction, dressed up as genealogy, and a non-notable fiction to boot. Agricolae (talk) 16:31, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, Delete -- I can think of several other examples, where the well-meaning "inference" - actually invention - of genealogists has led to highly misleading conclusions. The only merit in retaining this might be to provide a means of recording that the generalogy is spurious. However, I was responsible for disposing of one spurious link, previously existing in WP, and think that on the whole, the spurious is best excluded. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:30, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. After new sources were found.  Sandstein  07:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Latch Brothers[edit]

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Totally lacking WP:RS to satisfy WP:BANDor WP:GNGbeau coup links to IMDb are meaningless. — The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This was my first article and I stand corrected I had no idea the IMDB links were meaningless, so my apologies and hope to see this article stay. It is a work in progress and this will grow. Thanks, Kurt N. Kurtnardone (talk) 23:07, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of typefaces. I've unlinked the wikilink to Year Supply of Fairy Cakes from the target article. (non-admin closure) Steven Zhang Join the DR army! 21:53, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Year Supply of Fairy Cakes[edit]

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I found no significant coverage for this font. Fails WP:N. SL93 (talk) 21:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 21:21, 11 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sophia Grace Brownlee[edit]

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unremarkable viral video subject. limited media attention, lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources. contested 2nd'd prod. RadioFan (talk) 23:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy close. The issue requires a merge discussion, not AfD. --Bongwarrior (talk) 02:57, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2011–12 Los Angeles arson attacks[edit]

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Okay, something needs to be done. There are two articles about this topic. This article ("2011-12") is a poorly written version that is mostly the work of one person, with content from the other article pasted in. The other article ("2011") is a little better written and less clunky.

Can we just get on one page here, folks? tedder (talk) 00:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment sheesh… "worded better and more updated"—really? That ought to speak for itself, but your version comes with lots of speculation and unsourced claims, as well! And even better, you've now turned the other into a redirect to yours. Please consider just trying to work with the community. DoriTalkContribs 01:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This meets notability definately... $2 million dollars damage! Why can Wikipedia have articles about airplanes crashing with one death but not $2 million damage and the worst fires since 1992? BCS (Talk) 01:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I realize the mistakes I made and hopefully we can work this out... Maybe make a third title and redirect the other two into it. BCS (Talk) 01:54, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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