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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 00:57, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Quality, California[edit]

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One quality this place did not possess is permanence, as there is nothing at all there today. According to various topos and aerials, there was a siding here along with at least one large warehouse-like building and some other buildings. One topo labels the whole thing the Quality Ranch. No sign of a notable settlement. Mangoe (talk) 00:50, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not an important article which will likely have no expansion in the future. Copyrightpower1337 (talk) 11:58, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This location has no significant notability.TH1980 (talk) 03:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kareem Knights[edit]

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Footballer who fails GNG and NFOOTY --BlameRuiner (talk) 23:37, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 00:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ali-Naghi Farmanfarmaian[edit]

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Doesn't seem to be notable, and the sources appear to have been written by his relatives. Based on its current condition, it needs to be deleted. Keivan.fTalk 23:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 00:59, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hamad bin Khalifa Al Nahyan[edit]

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There is no any reliable sources of Hamad bin Khalifa Al Nahyan being part of the Al Nahyan Royal family. All the references are related to Israeli football club or singer Omer Adam. His site and his organisation sites are registered several months ago. There is no any information in Arabic about him. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 19:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Lot of keep votes here but very little in them that point to sources clearly indicating gng. More discussion needed I think.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 23:03, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
wallyfromdilbert, That is exactly the case. He is not a son of Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, being a very distant relative of a ruling family, who changed his name several years ago. He is known only for purchasing the Beitar and while it's itself a news, I don't belive it grants an independant article Arthistorian1977 (talk) 13:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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comment response: @Arthistorian1977: So is your argument for deleting a page is that Haaretz didn't verify their report??? Thats a very strange standart to apply to deleting pages from Wikipedia. Here is someone who did verify their information and saw his documents https://www.kan.org.il/Item/?itemId=81167, they even got pictures of his ID card, he is not the son of the president. Aside of Haaretz saying he is son of the president, do you have any other reasons for deletion? Shemtovca (talk) 03:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reply The Hebrew words for Prince, Chief, and President are the same, so the error may be in translation rather than in fact. The word (nasi, sorry I can't type Hebrew letters on my machine) is more vague in Hebrew than in English and it would not be inaccurate to describe his father as such. This may have then been translated incorrectly as "President" at which point a copy editor in English may have noticed the "President" had the "wrong" name and "fixed" it. Without seeing the original Hebrew I have no way of knowing, though. In any case, that's not a reason for deletion. Smartyllama (talk) 17:01, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ReplyShemtovca, no this is not my argument. My argument is that he is not member of the ruling family of Dubai, he is a distant relative, who changed his name several years ago. Hence he is known only for purchase of Beitar. The notability is not inherited, so, I don't see any reason for him having an independant article. Smartyllama, the translation does not matter - he is not a member of a ruling family, he is distant relative. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 13:08, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @Arthistorian1977:
1) majority of media coverage disagrees with you and refers to him as a member of the ruling family, wikipedia pages need to be based on the coverage / reliable sources. See sources cited above.
2) The notability is also based on media coverage that predates the purchase of Beitar see [10] & [11]
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References[edit]

  1. ^ "מסמכים מעידים: המשקיע בבית"ר ירושלים - חבר במעגל הרחוק של משפחת השלטון". כאן-תאגיד השידור הישראלי. Retrieved 2020-12-09.
  2. ^ "UAE and Israeli healthcare companies join forces". The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  3. ^ "מסמכים מעידים: המשקיע בבית"ר ירושלים - חבר במעגל הרחוק של משפחת השלטון". כאן-תאגיד השידור הישראלי. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  4. ^ "Soccer-Israel's Beitar Jerusalem says Abu Dhabi ruling family member looks to buy stake". nationalpost. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  5. ^ Staff, Reuters (2020-12-08). "Abu Dhabi ruling family member buys 50% stake in Beitar Jerusalem". Reuters. Retrieved 2020-12-16. ((cite news)): |first= has generic name (help)
  6. ^ Swissa, Eran (2020-10-11). "Israeli pop star Omer Adam celebrates Simchat Torah in Dubai". JNS.org. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  7. ^ staff, T. O. I. "Sheikh who bought into Beitar Jerusalem vows to show anti-Arab fans the light". www.timesofisrael.com. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  8. ^ "Dubai sheikhs throw party for Israel's biggest pop star". ynetnews. 2020-10-25. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  9. ^ "New Emirati owner of Jerusalem soccer club says 'door open' to Arab players". Haaretz.com. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  10. ^ "UAE and Israeli healthcare companies join forces". The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com. Retrieved 2020-12-20.
  11. ^ "Dubai sheikhs throw party for Israel's biggest pop star". ynetnews. 2020-10-25. Retrieved 2020-12-20.
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The result was procedural close. Article is already at AfD. The Bushranger One ping only 22:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ghazi Bismillah khan[edit]

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Unsourced one-liner BLP, there is already an existing Draft:Ghazi Bismillah khan by the same author with the same in formation so I can't move this JW 1961 Talk 22:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ghazi Bismillah khan[edit]

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Unsourced recreation of an article previously deleted under A7. I don't know how the article looked back then, but there is nothing now to suggest the subject is notable. I have not found any sources either. Modussiccandi (talk) 22:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:00, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ryuki Matsuya[edit]

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This is essentially the same case as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shun Sato (footballer, born 1990), only this footballers played 4 league games for the same club, not 1 game. At least 70 AFD discussions (with more being added every week) say that this is not enough because of the WP:GNG fail. Geschichte (talk) 22:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Ronaldinho. Closing early due to solid consensus. Missvain (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of international goals scored by Ronaldinho[edit]

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Per this, this, this, this, and this, we don't keep these types of articles unless they are or were the top goalscorer for their country.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:42, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Arjen Robben. Closing due to early consensus. Missvain (talk) 23:37, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of international goals scored by Arjen Robben[edit]

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Per this, this, this, this, and this, we don't keep these types of articles unless they are or were the top goalscorer for their country.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Zissou (jurist)[edit]

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Aside from an implausible unsourced section - this guy's claim to fame is having the same name as a fictional character. Paultalk21:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Softcom[edit]

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A7 borderline eligible UPE article on a non notable organization that falls short of WP:ORGCRIT as they lack in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. I probably should have used the A7 but from my experience in dealing with UPE I have observed an AFD is imperative for a future G4 use. Celestina007 (talk) 21:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, I'm skeptical of the UPE allegation, mainly because the work is of such a poor quality that I have a hard time believing that anyone is paying for it. If it's true, then someone's not getting their money's worth. But I'm not involved in the case, so I'm just sharing my observation. Edge3 (talk) 02:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Edge3, good question! The first and second source you linked are long announcements which do not discuss the organization itself per se with WP:SIGCOV. The third one is also an an announcement but even worse is, it is written by a guest editor which means it is probably a sponsored post which per WP:RS we consider to be unreliable. I’m happy to provide further clarifications if you need me to. Celestina007 (talk) 05:51, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie Morgan (actress)[edit]

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Doesn't appear to be particlarly notable; most film appearances appear to be bit-part roles in unnotable B-movies. All refs are to listings and IMdB. Black Kite (talk) 19:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC) Black Kite (talk) 19:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Social Credit-National Unity[edit]

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"Social Credit-National Unity" was not a party, merely the banner used by a single candidate in a single election, who won a paltry 1.1% of the vote.

And that's about all we know for certain. About half the article (which, granted, is so short that "half" amounts to only a few sentences) is spent talking about each half of the banner, and saying it's unclear whether the candidate actually had the backing of either party, or if he had any affiliation with a similarly-named "National Unity" candidate. If there's so little information out there on what this political designation even meant, it's hard to say this justifies its own article. — Kawnhr (talk) 18:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

National-Unity (candidate)[edit]

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"National-Unity" was the ballot designation of a single candidate in a single election. It is apparently the candidate's personal variation on the "National Government" label that the Conservatives used at the time, as he was endorsed by the party and ran with their full support. With that in mind, there isn't a compelling reason why the banner merits its own article, and that the information— the little there is— can't be covered on the Conservative Party's page, under the section that deals with their one-off use of "National Government". (Indeed, there's so little here that there's a sentence to say it's unknown if the candidate had any affiliation with another candidate who used a similar banner…) — Kawnhr (talk) 18:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prohibition Party (Canada)[edit]

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The "Prohibition Party" was the ballot designation of a single candidate in a single election. Said candidate received 0.8% of the vote. There's nothing to suggest this was a real, organized party, or that the person and/or their candidacy was in any way notable. In fact, there's so little to say about this so-called party that the page has remained unchanged (except a calculation of their vote percentage) since its creation in 2004, and I can't foresee any significant information being uncovered about a forgotten fringe candidate. — Kawnhr (talk) 17:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK2 - bad-faith AfD nomination by a pretty obvious sock. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas Alahverdian[edit]

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This article fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG and is a BLP1E. The article may have many references but he was not a public figure with notability enough for a encyclopedia article. Aroundthebends (talk) 16:58, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:14, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rajesh Singh (film producer)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. The sources provided are all paid articles and do not add up to establishing notability. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 16:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

K N George[edit]

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not notable, not written in an encyclopediac tone VERSACESPACE 16:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:06, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Calico, Kern County, California[edit]

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A siding apparently put in to serve a warehouse complex that is still in business at the same location; the original building is still in use. Just another NN rail spot. Mangoe (talk) 16:45, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Views are split fairly evenly between keep, redirect and delete and I don't think there's going to be any agreement soon. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:24, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cheese sandwich[edit]

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This one seems to be a catchall for any sandwich made with cheese. All of the mentioned sandwiches also have their own articles, and there is no source that ties them all together as a single topic or supports the first-sentence definition of a "basic" cheese sandwich. Any content that could be added here should instead be used to expand the main Sandwich article. –dlthewave 16:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The title of the article is not a word; it's a phrase. It contains no etymology, pronunciation, spelling nor grammar. It could hardly be less like a dictionary entry. See WP:DICDEF for an explanation of the difference and the "perennial source of confusion". Andrew🐉(talk) 21:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Could you give an example of a cheese sandwich cookbook? I didn't find anything like that in my search (just loads of stuff about grilled cheese), but it would certainly contribute to establishing notability. –dlthewave 18:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was deleted as G11/12. (non-admin closure) —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 11:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Melody Nayeri[edit]

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Non-notable musician. ... discospinster talk 16:10, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Not convinced that those sources are anywhere near enough even for WP:BASIC, sorry Spiderone 10:25, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Patch, California[edit]

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I'm guessing that Durham calls this a locale, and the topos make things reasonably clear: there might have been a church in the area, but it appears to have been the sole structure there until a set of sidings was built to serve what is now the "Headquarters and Cold Storage" unit of Kirschenman Enterprises, whose business dates back to 1939. The spot is still in the midst of a patchwork of farmland outside Lamont, and I do not see that it is a notable location as it stands. Mangoe (talk) 16:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Floehr[edit]

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While the company he founded may be notable, not enough in-depth coverage about him for him to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 16:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Waqar Ihtisham[edit]

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Has never played in an official match for Pakistan nor in a game between two clubs playing in an WP:FPL, failing WP:NFOOTBALL. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources, failing WP:GNG. Spiderone 15:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted per WP:G5. Sir Sputnik (talk) 13:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Waheed[edit]

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Has never played in an official match for Pakistan nor in a game between two clubs playing in an WP:FPL, failing WP:NFOOTBALL. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources, failing WP:GNG. Spiderone 15:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 06:02, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Avi Belkin[edit]

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Insufficiently notable per WP:BIO Sonnenradical (talk) 13:40, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Changed to Speedy keep. Nominator created a dormant, double blank (user/talk_user) account in February 2019. On 15 December 2020, nom started and finished editing with the immediate nomination of just one single article and a COI comment on its talk page and here. Never touched anything but Avi Belkin. As I mentioned above, the nomination intro does not hold water. Even more about this nomination seems wrong. gidonb (talk) 04:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 22:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Vogt[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Only assertion of notability is for playing 97 mins in the W-League. Has now switched code and plays in the semi-pro AFLW. No evidence of significant coverage from independent sources; passing mention here and good coverage here but the source is a primary one. Spiderone 12:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Closing early due to early consensus. Missvain (talk) 23:38, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

James Watts (British businessman)[edit]

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No real claim to notability other than a lot of WP:NOTINHERITED - all I can see is that his son became a politician, a house he lived in was an inspiration for a fictional house, and two books were dedicated to him. Per WP:GNG, no significant coverage exists in any reliable sources, only passing mentions, and key details are sourced to Find A Grave, which is specifically deprecated at WP:RSPSRC. ninety:one 12:44, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

London Buses route 110[edit]

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I don't see how this article is significant enough for a place on Wikipedia. I understand that it may be of interest of importance to some, but there is little content. There is some data on this in the List of Bus Routes in London page, and this should be enough. Quoll662 (talk) 11:38, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:38, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nora Peat[edit]

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Only assertion of notability is playing 124 mins in the W-League. I could not find one example of significant coverage of Peat, failing WP:GNG. She is an active player but only in the lower divisions. Spiderone 12:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Closing early due to early consensus. Missvain (talk) 23:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bamidele Adams[edit]

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Not properly sourced and fails in GNG Akronowner (talk) 12:00, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lesley Evans[edit]

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The subject fails all criteria at WP:MUSICBIO, having appeared on one concert and one album track. Notability is not inherited from notable siblings. There is nothing in this article that could not be accommodated in one paragraph of the Bee Gees article. WWGB (talk) 11:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Fenix down (talk) 12:08, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammed Sagar Ali[edit]

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Sagar Ali has never played in either of the two Indian leagues listed at WP:FPL and has never had a full international cap, failing WP:NFOOTBALL. The coverage, in my view, is not strong enough for a WP:GNG pass. In terms of WP:ATD, this could be sent to draft, however, we generally only do this if a footballer is very close to passing NFOOTBALL. Spiderone 11:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per WP:A7. SoWhy 08:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Midnite String Quartet[edit]

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I could not find any evidence to suggest that this passes WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. Coverage was difficult to find in WP:RS. Spiderone 10:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm assuming that they make most of their money from streaming on Spotify but their stats aren't even that high on there, really Spiderone 17:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, there just seems to be nothing out there. I can't even find basic info like number of band members, what city they're from, names of band members... Spiderone 18:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then they are not notable. My delete vote is still standing. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 06:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I've now tagged it. Spiderone 21:45, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:40, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

911 Nightmare[edit]

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Non-notable film, does not have significant coverage by independent, reliable sources, there are a number of self-published/blog style reviews but nothing with editorial oversight, does not meet WP:NF BOVINEBOY2008 10:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Minus the various socks, rough consensus is that this spy story should not be covered as a separate article, because of WP:1E and WP:BLP concerns. Sandstein 17:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Christine Fang[edit]

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Non-factual suspicions in Axios article [6]. WP:NOT forum for espionage allegations. No case or allegations by authorities, so does not meet WP:CRIME, therefore not factually notable WP:N. Single news event WP:BIO1E mentioned under Eric_Swalwell#Ties_to_alleged_Chinese_spy. Inconsistent with List of Chinese spy cases in the United States. Consensual sexual activity disclosed must WP:AVOIDVICTIM. No real name or biographical details so fails WP:V. Fang is WP:LOWPROFILE. Likely defamatory under WP:BLP. Travelmite (talk) 10:13, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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    • But here is the thing though just because the FBI didn't make a comment on the Axios investigation doesn't mean they didn't accuse her of anything which it turns out they did. They got together reps and senators not run of the mill ones I'm talking big-wigs like Pelosi and apparently Swalwell too back in 2015 to tell them about the intel ops that Fang was running and after that Swalwell cut off ties wth her. If that's not a red flag that says Fang committed a crime then I don't know what is. [7] Afalfafa (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Afalfafa (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
In your link Nancy Pelosi may have contributed to Chinese espionage in the United States, but didn't mention Fang. Private discussions between FBI and politicians are not RS, nor do they turn BLP suspicions into facts. Travelmite (talk) 01:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Axios - and the media overall - have zero legal authority to create a legal case against a person like this under our BLP /CRIME aspects. This is the type of stuff we're supposed to avoid with a 10 foot pole. --Masem (t) 03:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Axios investigation isn't creating a legal case against Fang, that was already done by the FBI. (surveillance, meet with Congress, etc) It's merely reporting on the accusations that have been levelled against her. I got no idea where you got this idea that Axios was trying to play the role of judge, jury and executioner. Forevertruthsayer (talk) 19:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
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  • Keep - i would say that the article should be keept. The event has been discussed in much depth by multitude of references (Wikipedia:Notability (events)/Depth of coverage) and the intense backlash against not just fang, but all the politicians she got associated with shows that the event has had lasting effect. (Wikipedia:Notability (events)/Lasting effects) the votes which say that the article should be delleted only because fang is notable for only one event (Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Subjects notable only for one event) appear very much to be mistaken. There are three conditions which have to met and one of them is "If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented." i think it is safe to say from the many references and lasting consequences of her event that this ha not been met. Festerhauer (talk) 18:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC) Festerhauer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
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  • Strong keep: none of cited policies in the OP justifies deletion of the article.
1) WP:N (more specifically WP:NBIO and WP:NEVENTS) is satisfied: the article satisfies the basic criteria of notability for a person (as was noted by another editor) and all five parts of the inclusion criteria for an event.
2) WP:BLP1E does not apply because:
a) §1 is invalidated because the nature of Fang's activities eo ipso means that she is notable for more than one event.
b) §2 is invalidated because Fang is not a low-profile individual but rather a public figure: the background and activities sections of her page indicates that
(i) she had participated in an attention-seeking manner (most notably as a bundler for a sitting US Congressman) in publicity for multiple election campaigns
(ii) she held a position of power
(iii) she was engaged in high-profile activity as a lifelong endeavor, but is now attempting to be low-profile
(iv) the allegations she's been involved in has been noteworthy, relevant, and well documented (as has already been mentioned) and
(v) these allegations have been documented by a multitude of reliable published sources (as has also already been mentioned)
c) §3 is invalidated by the article's satisfaction of the aformentioned basic and inclusion criteria: the events have been significant (they've been significant enough for the FBI to put her under surveillance) AND the individual's role in relation to the events have been BOTH substantial AND well documented.
3) WP:SUSPECT does not apply because
a) Fang is a public figure (and therefore not a non-public figure)
b) does not categorically rule out the inclusion of criminal accusations against a person - it only advises that editor's not include such material
4) WP:AVOIDVICTIM does not apply because she's not a victim but the accused perpetrator
5) WP:V does not apply because all of the sources which have been used in the article are reliable.
6) WP:CRIME does not apply because of WP:NCRIME which says that an article that documents phenomena that is deemed to be both notable and likely criminal/a crime should remain even if it has been subsequently established that no crime actually occurred as that finding would not diminish the notability of the phenomena. Specifically:
a) her acts were deemed illegal by U.S. law enforcement authorities (the FBI put Fang under surveillance and also notified Congress about her activities) - WP:NCRIME defines criminal acts to include those that have been suspected by law enforcement agencies as likely to have been committed.
b) U.S. law enforcement agencies deemed it likely that Fang's disappearance was caused by her criminal conduct (From Axios: "U.S. officials said China’s intelligence operation broke up in mid-2015 when Fang left the U.S. amid the FBI-led probe.") - WP:NCRIME makes it clear that this condition applies regardless of whether the perpetrator (in this case Fang) is identified or charged.
c) some of the victims of her criminal acts/crime are or have been important politicians, which the activities section of the article documents
d) Fang's criminal acts and the motivation for and execution of them have been sufficiently notable as evidenced by the article's satisfaction of the aformentioned basic and inclusion criteria
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The "nature of Fang's activities" are being president of a student group (not a position of power), helping political campaigns, having sex and catching a plane to China. These are not what is meant by events. The rest are unproven suspicions. Fang is not a WP:PUBLICFIGURE: What is her real name? When and where was she born? What's she doing in the last 5 years? As the page main author you have included hearsay criminal accusations of espionage by the Axios website. This response presumes all Axios criminal suspicions are facts. FBI made no case. We must WP:AVOIDVICTIM of defamation, being investigated and leaks of sexual activity. Travelmite (talk) 02:45, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All of your queries have already been addressed by my analysis. All of the phenomena you cited are events (what else do you call catching a plane to China?), she is notable for her involvement in all them (and more) and that is why §1 of BLP1E is invalidated: because she's notable for more than one event. Just because I don't know the minutiae of her biography does not then mean that she is not a WP:PUBLICFIGURE and WP:AVOIDVICTIM does not apply because she's not a victim but the accused perpetrator (as I had already said). Forevertruthsayer (talk) 04:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Catching a plane is an event? This logic invalidates WP:CRIME, WP:PUBLICFIGURE, WP:BLP1E and the presumption of innocence.Travelmite (talk) 09:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In her biographical context, yes (as I noted in section 2a of my argument). Forevertruthsayer (talk) 09:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
The only event here is the investigative report from Axios and how additional sources added to it. Yes, there may have been multiple events in the past, but none of those were reported on before; it is only this discovery of the purported spying by Axios that is the event to be considered by BLP1E. --Masem (t) 03:24, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is incorrect and irrelevant. Incorrect because she is notable for both the disclosure of her purported spying AND the events she performed (actual and purported) on which the disclosure supervened - this explains the qualitative difference of the responses to the Axios report in comparison with other types of spying as demonstrated, for example, by the significant Congressional reactions to Fang's relationship to Swalwell. The fact that the events she was involved in wasn't reported on previously doesn't diminish the significance of those events in much the same way that you wouldn't say just because you didn't find out a person had committed murder, then that would have diminished the significance of the murder. Your explanation is also irrelevant because even if you were right about what the event was, your argument would still fail to satisfy WP:BLP1E because it fails to meet the stipulations in §3 as the event (disclosure of the purported spying according to you) was significant and Fang's role in relation to it was BOTH substantial and well documented. Forevertruthsayer (talk) 04:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
The politics are relevant to Eric Swalwell's page, but not Fang's guilt or innocence as per WP:CRIME. Congress and the media are not courts. Today's politics doesn't change what Christine Fang actually did. Three times [8] [9] [10] you inserted that Fang actually acted as an "intelligence operative". Travelmite (talk) 09:19, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They are relevant to both Fang and Swalwell's page - it's not an either or proposition. Your arguments about WP:CRIME has been met in section 6 of my argument. Forevertruthsayer (talk) 09:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
I disagree with your BLP1E analysis: §1 - the 1E is indeed the Axios report as the following coverage by other RS relies on that original report. §2 - being a campaign fundraiser or bundler (campaigning) does not make her a high profile person. She's drawing attention to the candidate not herself. If she's trying to draw attention to herself, she's not being a good alleged spy. This should also invalidate your defense against WP:SUSPECT §3 - the suspected role or activities are not actually confirmed or significant, only the event (the Axios report itself) is. Morbidthoughts (talk) 01:14, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1) Wrt to your analysis of section 2a of my argument - this is incorrect. As I said: "she is notable for both the disclosure of her purported spying AND the events she performed (actual and purported) on which the disclosure supervened - this explains the qualitative difference of the responses to the Axios report in comparison with other types of spying as demonstrated, for example, by the significant Congressional reactions to Fang's relationship to Swalwell. The fact that the events she was involved in wasn't reported on previously doesn't diminish the significance of those events in much the same way that you wouldn't say just because you didn't find out a person had committed murder, then that would have diminished the significance of the murder."
2) Wrt to your analysis of section 2bi of my argument - this is incorrect and incomplete. Incorrect because she's drawing attention to both herself AND the candidate - it's not an either or proposition. She had to make a name for herself because that was a key part of at least two of her suspected M.O. (campaign financing and networking) - there's no contradiction between being a (suspected) spy and having a high profile such as a bundler (see the "How Fang rose to prominence among Bay Area politicos" section of the Axios article) And incomplete because you didn't address subsections 2bii-v of that section of my argument.
3) Wrt to your analysis of section 2c of my argument - this is illogical. Even if you were right about what the event was (disclosure of the purported spying) your argument would still fail to satisfy WP:BLP1E because the event has been significant (as demonstrated by the article's satisfaction of the aformentioned basic and inclusion criteria) and Fang's role in relation to it has been BOTH substantial AND well documented - the entire Axios investigations is about (you guessed it) Fang's role in the suspected spying operation. Forevertruthsayer (talk) 19:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Let me clarify 3). The report itself is significant. However, the only thing that event/report confirms is that the intelligence community is suspicious of her and her activities. That she is a spy or her purported activities in furtherance of that role are not confirmed nor well documented beyond that one report. Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep it's not true to say she is only known for one event and that she's entitled to privacy. She is known for doing something (suspected illegal spying) which got her involved in doing an unlimited number of events and if people are saying the one event she is known for was the spying then that hardly makes any sense because spying isn't an event. As for privacy, she is not "entitled" to that when her name is already out there. Literally it is plastered on the news all over the world in all languages, everybody knows her now and all the people especially the men that got caught up in her honey potting are getting raked over the coals. Afalfafa (talk) 00:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Afalfafa (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
okay well there is a lot that is not accurate in your comment. I did not say Swalwell will lose his job i said he will probably lose his job and it is not really an unreasonble thing to say. just because his seat was rated as safe Democratic in the past does not mean it will be safe in the future. I made that prediction about his election future based on what i am seeing in terms of how Swalwell's colleagues in Congress and the common man is reacting and just going on that it looks like at a minimum this will be a godsend for his opponents because they are going to use this issue like a millstone around his neck. And i would appreciate it if you could please quit it already with the SPA accusation like just because i am new and i voted doesn't mean it counts as any less of a vote than people who have been here for a long time. yeah i know my vote makes it look like i'm an spa and it's not the greatest look but you gotta understand i wasn't the one who started this vote it was Travelmite who did. i would have prefered to have gotten more familiar with things on wikipedia before i voted, but as i have already voted and you've drawn attention to it, it is what it is i guess Afalfafa (talk) 19:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC) Afalfafa (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Your contributions to Wikipedia are welcome. I'm sure you'd agree it would be a catastrophe if Wikipedia became a political battlefield. The policies we are discussing protect Wikipedia, maintain it's academic integrity and prevent it from being accused of defamation. Travelmite (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The espionage is suspected. This reasoning presumes these suspicions are factual. Let the politicians or FBI prove these suspicions, if they can. Travelmite (talk) 00:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, when I did a copyright analysis, it appears that some of the article was taken from the Axios article and statements simply have quotation marks put around them to make it not a violation. Liz Read! Talk! 03:09, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is deleted, we should consider removing her from other articles like List of Chinese spy cases in the United States#Christine Fang. Liz Read! Talk! 21:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Please see section 6 of my argument which should address your concerns about WP:CRIME. Forevertruthsayer (talk) 19:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
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Please see sections 2b, 3 and 6 of my argument. Privacy conerns do not apply because she is a public figure and the concern about her presumption of innocence (a high bar, to be sure) does not invalidate WP:NCRIME which would clearly advise that the documentation of Fang's activities (i.e. the main article) should remain if they have been deemed to be both notable and likely criminal/a crime (they have) even if (emphasis are mine) it has been subsequently established that Fang did not actually commit the crimes she was accused of. Forevertruthsayer (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
I strongly disagree that being a fundraiser or a Bundler (campaigning) makes her a public figure. Raising money by targeting specific communities like the Bay Area's asian voters on behalf of a political candidate does not mean that she's trying to draw attention to herself but to the candidate, and she is doing a shitty job with her suspected spying activities if otherwise. Section 6 does not require a standalone article outside of Swalwell. WP:NCRIME describes the notability of the suspected criminal act, while WP:CRIME discusses the notability of the alleged criminal. If your argument rests on NCRIME, then the article should be renamed to describe the case rather than the person. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:49, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
See the above where I responded to your comment. Forevertruthsayer (talk) 19:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC) Forevertruthsayer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Waskerton (talkcontribs). ST47 (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) [reply]
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I've no sympathy for sock-masters. GoodDay (talk) 21:16, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that most sock-masters are in general affirmation seeking master-baiters, its best not to take the master’s bait even post-mortem in order to avoid pleasuring them yourself. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Illuminating Engineering Society. Compromise between delete and merge. Content can be merged from history if desired. Sandstein 17:45, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edwin F. Guth Memorial Award for Interior Lighting Design[edit]

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A generic award written by an editor with a Conflict of Interest with no notability, fails WP:GNG. JayJayWhat did I do? 09:04, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Closing early due to early consensus. Missvain (talk) 23:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Christos Arfanis[edit]

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Non-notable film maker, fails WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER. The awards — or I should say alleged awards, as they are only supported by a single close source — don't appear major enough to establish notability. The sources cited are poor, and I couldn't find anything better, either.

An earlier speedy tag was removed without explanation (by a mystery IP editor), so here we are at AfD, let's see what the community makes of this one. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I've only just noticed that this AfD got '2nd nomination' added in the title; turns out the speedy was requested on G4 basis as a recreation of an article already deleted earlier. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Closing early due to early consensus. Missvain (talk) 23:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian Crosses[edit]

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This article is a purely revisioned/falsified/fictional version of Khachkars article. There is none/has never been any evidence of existence of Albanian Crosses similar to Khachkars. The article also disputes/contradicts several other article, e.g.

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Thanks for comment. But Khachkar is an Armenian cross stone. Redirection from Albanian crosses may be misleading for a common reader, in a sence that Armenia and Albania is the same --Addictedtohistory (talk) 22:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 09:03, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Superstar (2009 film)[edit]

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Fails WP:NFILM and lack of WP:RSAmkgp 💬 15:40, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Here, here and here. The Chicago Reader one is dubious as to whether or not its SIGCOV, but it doesn't matter, it passes WP:GNG anyway. Devonian Wombat (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Universal Coin & Bullion[edit]

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essentially an advertisement. The references are either promotional links, or links to events where the subject was of only peripheral concern--or awards to an individual, not the orgnaization DGG ( talk ) 09:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 09:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bradys, California[edit]

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Topos show a single building at the site, which is currently occupied by a gas station named Bradys Market. I can find no evidence that WP:GEOLAND or WP:GNG is met here. Hog Farm Bacon 07:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted as a redirect to a deleted or non-existent page (CSD G8). (non-admin closure) SK2242 (talk) 13:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NEWJ[edit]

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The subject of this article is a private media organisation which does not meet notability guidelines and has been repeatedly created and deleted three times. Most of the sources cited are either press releases or primary to the subject of the article. Northern Escapee (talk) 06:51, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:44, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Phuthi Nakene[edit]

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Prod removed by creator without comment. Original concern was "Not enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, and with only a single significant role, doesn't meet WP:NACTOR." Gbawden (talk) 06:15, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete (A7, G3, G5). (non-admin closure) AllyD (talk) 07:46, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DJ S UNIVERSE Q[edit]

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This article has three different subjects and non of its subjects has notability. All sources cited do not show credibility. Northern Escapee (talk) 06:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. czar 06:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gosford, California[edit]

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Topos show a siding with two buildings there. Newspapers.com results are for an oil well, a region within an oil field, and the Gosford Milling Corporation. No evidence that this was a legally recognized community, so WP:GEOLAND is not met. Hog Farm Bacon 06:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 06:23, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gulf, California[edit]

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Topos show a railroad spur going into an oil refinery. Newspapers.com results are for the Gulf Oil Company. WP:GEOLAND and WP:GNG do not seem to be met. Hog Farm Bacon 06:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. czar 06:21, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hilltop, Grayson County, Kentucky[edit]

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Not in Rennick's Grayson County directory. Topos show two residences and some sheds here, and all of the newspapers.com results for "Hilltop" in Grayson County, KY newspapers are for a Hilltop Christian Church. Gbooks brings up a lot of search engine noise. I'm seeing no indication that this was ever legally recognized, so WP:GEOLAND is not met, and WP:GNG does not seem to be, either. Hog Farm Bacon 05:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 06:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Certificate of Annuity[edit]

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This article has been tagged for ten years for notability and factual accuracy. It is also unsourced. The external link does not appear to show any instance of the term being used, and I can’t find any other instances of its use either. Mccapra (talk) 04:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Sycamore Community School District. Nothing sourced to merge. czar 06:20, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sycamore Junior High School[edit]

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The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NSCHOOL / (WP:ORGCRIT), lacks WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV that address the subject directly and in-depth. There is basic, run of the mill, routine, normal, coverage. No sources in the article. BEFORE revealed nothing with SIGCOV. A nice, perfectly normal school, but not an encyclopedic topic.   // Timothy :: talk  04:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Christel House International per nom. (In general, please pursue such alternatives to deletion before nominating an article for deletion.) czar 09:34, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Christel House South Africa[edit]

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The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NSCHOOL / (WP:ORGCRIT), lacks WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV that address the subject directly and in-depth. There is basic, run of the mill, routine, normal, coverage. No sources in the article; BEFORE revealed nothing with SIGCOV. A nice, perfectly normal school, part of a wonderful organization, but this individual location not an encyclopedic topic. Redirects are cheap, no objection to a redirect to Christel House International   // Timothy :: talk  04:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect. Geschichte (talk) 09:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Frederick Nel[edit]

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No evidence of subject receiving significant coverage in reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. NCRIC falls under WP:NSPORTS, which says "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia." It also says "A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]" as well as "Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability. This includes listings in database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion, such as Sports Reference's college football and basketball databases."

This has zero significant sources; it cites only a database source of the single game played, which is specifically excluded by WP:SPORTCRIT from being able to establish notability. Hence there is not basis for the bulk-creation of this article. A possible redirect target is List of Border representative cricketers. Reywas92Talk 04:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, but you're wrong here, as the article meets the notability requirements. And please don't make attacks against me. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking the SNG page. But you're wrong, because even with "or the sport specific criteria set forth below", it doesn't meet the SNG because the SNG explicity excludes the use of only databases for notability. Reywas92Talk 17:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect. Geschichte (talk) 08:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Nelson (cricketer)[edit]

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No evidence of subject receiving significant coverage in reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. NCRIC falls under WP:NSPORTS, which says "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia." It also says "A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]" as well as "Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability. This includes listings in database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion, such as Sports Reference's college football and basketball databases."

This has zero significant sources; it cites only a database source of the single game played, which is specifically excluded by WP:SPORTCRIT from being able to establish notability. Hence there is not basis for the bulk-creation of this article. A possible redirect target is List of Border representative cricketers. Reywas92Talk 04:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect. Geschichte (talk) 08:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Collan Nicholas[edit]

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No evidence of subject receiving significant coverage in reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. NCRIC falls under WP:NSPORTS, which says "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia." It also says "A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]" as well as "Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability. This includes listings in database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion, such as Sports Reference's college football and basketball databases."

This has zero significant sources; it cites only a database source of the single game played, which is specifically excluded by WP:SPORTCRIT from being able to establish notability. Hence there is not basis for the bulk-creation of this article. A possible redirect target is List of Border representative cricketers. Reywas92Talk 04:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, but you're wrong here, as the article meets the notability requirements. And please don't make attacks against me. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking the SNG page. But you're wrong, because even with "or the sport specific criteria set forth below", it doesn't meet the SNG because the SNG explicity excludes the use of only databases for notability. Reywas92Talk 17:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Border representative cricketers. Missvain (talk) 01:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Norton[edit]

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No evidence of subject receiving significant coverage in reliable sources; fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORTS. NCRIC falls under WP:NSPORTS, which says "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) is likely to meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia." It also says "A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published[2] non-trivial[3] secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]" as well as "Trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may be used to support content in an article, but it is not sufficient to establish notability. This includes listings in database sources with low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion, such as Sports Reference's college football and basketball databases."

This has zero significant sources; it cites only a wide-sweeping database source of the single game played, which is specifically excluded by WP:SPORTCRIT from being able to establish notability. Hence there is not basis for the bulk-creation of this article. A possible redirect target is List of Border representative cricketers. Reywas92Talk 04:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, but you're wrong here, as the article meets the notability requirements. And please don't make attacks against me. Thanks. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:54, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking the SNG page. But you're wrong, because even with "or the sport specific criteria set forth below", it doesn't meet the SNG because the SNG explicity excludes the use of only databases for notability. Reywas92Talk 17:55, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 08:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Normandy Village, Berkeley, California[edit]

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The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD: "Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." Does not have coverage that meets significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV and article makes no credible claim that there is historic, social, economic, or architectural importance. The location was renamed Thornburg Village. WP:BEFORE revealed advertising, promo material, WP:ROUTINE, WP:MILL coverage, and directory style listings.   // Timothy :: talk  04:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 04:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Ali Apartments[edit]

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The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD: "Buildings, including private residences and commercial developments, may be notable as a result of their historic, social, economic, or architectural importance, but they require significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability." Does not have coverage that meets significant coverage by reliable, third-party sources to establish notability WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV and article makes no claim that there is historic, social, economic, or architectural importance. WP:BEFORE revealed advertising, promo material, WP:ROUTINE, WP:MILL coverage, and directory style listings.   // Timothy :: talk  04:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 04:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vyapar App[edit]

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Fails GNG; run-of-the-mill bookkeeping app. I can't find a specific guideline for notability regarding apps, but applying WP:PRODUCT, I reckon we're good to go. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Twillingate. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 02:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Twillingate Museum[edit]

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Not a notable museum or relevant on a provincial or national scale.--UserNL2020 (talk) 03:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. No prejudice against redirection but it's currently not mentioned in the district article. czar 04:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Leo Burke Academy[edit]

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Not a notable school or relevant in any way. No sources.--UserNL2020 (talk) 03:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 05:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Taler (cryptocurrency)[edit]

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Non-notable, fails WP:GNG. No valid RS, mostly non-english sources. Possibly promotional. HiddenLemon // talk 02:47, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ Erlanger, Steven (8 March 2017). "Russia's RT Network: Is It More BBC or K.G.B.? (Published 2017)". The New York Times.
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 04:00, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fuller, California[edit]

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Another series of former railroad spots, generally sidings, in Imperial Valley, these being found among the various fields instead of out in the open desert. A few of these had post offices at some point, but there's no sign of any significant settlement other than a farmhouse here or a warehouse there. I'm not seeing any notability among these. Mangoe (talk) 02:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Fuller, California

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David Jubb[edit]

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Not sure that this meets WP:FRINGEBLP. The New York Times article is a solid source that is about Mr Jubb, but the Washington Post is just a brief passing reference, NYM is also only a brief section in an article about someone else. The Village Voice article is about Raw Foodism generally, and mentions Jubb in passing. There's certainly some coverage here and the deletion case is borderline. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:56, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas R. Harper[edit]

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This deletion proposal largely follows in the footsteps of this archived Reliable Sources discussion, in which a majority of participants felt that Douglas R. Harper, the self-publisher of Online Etymology Dictionary (A.K.A. etymonline), is not particularly reliable (though probably well-intentioned). I think, therefore, the existence of an article for the author himself holds even less water; certainly, citations are lacking and some of the personal knowledge is strikingly specific and probably original research. (By the way, he is not, as the lead claims, a "lexicographer" any more than an uncredentialled blogger is a "memoirist".) Wolfdog (talk) 01:48, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 06:21, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alice Smith School[edit]

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This article is about a non-profit primary and secondary school that lacks multiple in-depth reliable sources about it. Since all the references in the article are primary and all I was able to find in a WP:BEFORE was a single name drop in a school directory. Which is extremely trivial. So, there is nothing about that passes either WP:GNG or WP:NORG. The article is also promotional in tone, was a more so more before I removed a lot of un-referenced material, and I see no way that could be written not to be promotional without there being multiple reliable sources that discuss it in detail. So, WP:TNT likely also applies. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:31, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The trivialness of them aside, per the guidelines your "sources" only count as a single source because they aren't independent of each other. Also, I said in my nomination that there name were some name drops in books, but nothing in-depth. So do you have an example of in-depth coverage of the school in a book or are you asserting that name drops or otherwise extremely brief mentions are enough? I assume its the latter and you found nothing different in books then what I did given the briefness of coverage in the single reference you have provided already. Adamant1 (talk) 02:10, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get your question about which "sources" I've found. Since I was referring to the ones you provided. As far as why they don't pass WP:GNG, I was pretty clear it is because they do not contain "Significant coverage" that addresses the topic directly and in detail. That aside though, I was asking what book you found that you claim passes WP:GNG and also stating that all your "sources" only count as one, because they are not independent of each other. So, what book did you find that has "Significant coverage" that addresses the topic directly and in detail? --Adamant1 (talk) 03:56, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm asking you specifically which books you looked at which you would consider "name-drops." SportingFlyer T·C 12:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The important thing is which book you looked at that contains "Significant coverage" that addresses the topic directly and in detail, or are you saying that you didn't look at any that do? --Adamant1 (talk) 13:08, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 08:49, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David Hamilton Golland[edit]

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Certainly accomplished, but not nearly enough in-depth coverage to pass WP:GNG, and doesn't appear to pass WP:NSCHOLAR, with an anemic citation count with a high of "2". Oh yeah, also appears to be an autobiography. Onel5969 TT me 14:46, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Heber, California. Missvain (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bradtmoore, California[edit]

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Normally, I would not be nominating a place with a post office for deletion. However, I believe there is good reason to this time: The Bradtmoore post office seems to have been a short-lived name for the Heber, California post office. I think this result, which I have clipped from newspapers.com, so it should be viewable to all who stop by this AFD, explains what happened. When they went to put a post office in Heber, it was named Bradtmoore for some reason. This proved to cause problems, since the town was actually called Heber, but USPS called it Bradtmoore. I've found a handful of other newspapers.com clippings mentioning Bradtmoore, but nothing that proves my theory wrong. One present a report about beet sales, and includes a letter to Mr. J. J. Post of Bradtmoore. However, the same article, in the part written by the newspaper and not reprinted from the letter, says that Mr. J. J. Post is a resident of Heber. There are a handful of other mentions in newspapers.com, but none describe the place, or mention Heber. So, I'm not really sure what to do with this. The article as it stands appears to be false in calling this a former settlement. There's a good case to mentions this in the Heber article, but I'm not sure if merging this dodgy content is a good idea, and it would be a WP:OR violation for me to put my theory in the Heber article without a really solid source. Hog Farm Bacon 16:10, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 05:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Kutcher[edit]

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Per WP:BLP1E and WP:SPAM. Only claims to notability appear to be that he is Ashton Kutcher's twin brother (WP:NOTINHERITED) and that he visited the White House once to lobby for an advocacy group which is itself not notable. The "Career" section makes clear this page is intended to be promotional, not informational. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 17:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Refo Çapari[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC Serv181920 (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Don't know how been mentioned one or two times in Robert Elsie's 2001 work makes him Notable?Serv181920 (talk) 07:39, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Since I only was able to view the work through snippet view, it's hard to be sure, but I am reasonably sure it devotes about a paragraph and a half to Capari. That is very borderline on whether or not it constitutes SIGCOV, but I'm willing to be lenient on that front because this is a historical figure who operated in a language other than English. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:00, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Studies in Communication and Media[edit]

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Article PRODded with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded with reason "Improved the page by adding 2 extra sources that mention this journal (International Communication Association and International Association for Media and Communication Research". "Sources" added are promotional blurbs (probably provided by the journal itself, given that both associations use the same text). PROD reason stands, hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:10, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria Jancke[edit]

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same as last time, she still doesn't meet inclusion criteria. There's no actual in depth coverage of her, just passing mentions and interviews (and black hat SEO trying to pass off promotional gibberish as journalism.) Praxidicae (talk) 16:49, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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BethNaught, fair enough, I was unaware the Deletionpedia version was out of date. The notability issue identified before still isn't helped by the reduction in sources in the live version. Either way, clearly G4 is ineligible so I've changed to a simple delete on the basis of lack of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Thanks, SITH (talk) 22:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The german sources are neither in depth nor reliable (and don't constitute anything close to being coverage in rs.) Praxidicae (talk) 18:23, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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I don't believe you actually looked at them, as I noted, they aren't reliable and aren't coverage. There's a reason why they don't have wide use and aren't trusted sources. They're spam. Praxidicae (talk) 22:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 16:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nikolaos Okekuoyen[edit]

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Player appears to fail WP:NBASKETBALL, not improved upon in last week or two. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 20:11, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to The Knife. Sandstein 16:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Knife - Live At Terminal 5[edit]

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Fails GNG, fails all 5 WP:NFO criteria and 3 extended criteria. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 16:04, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday Reinhorn[edit]

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Fails WP:AUTHOR Serv181920 (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Jeepday, How is someone notable "Due to the relationship" with a notable person?Serv181920 (talk) 09:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Serv181920 As the spouse of a notable person, they are often named in references. Same goes for other family members. "relatives of a famous person may be merged into the article on the person; articles on persons only notable for being associated with a certain group or event may be merged into the main article on that group or event." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#cite_note-7 if the spouse is also notable but less so, it can be difficult to sort through the references to find the ones the support the notability of the less notable spouse or family member (but still notable on their own). Jeepday (talk) 13:42, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BIOFAMILY "Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person. Articles about notable people that mention their family members in passing do not, in themselves, show that a family member is notable." My keep vote is because I believe the subject is notable on her own. Jeepday (talk) 13:48, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - additionally, being the author of a work which passes WP notability criteria is not the same as being the author of a significant or well-known work. I am however, modifying my !vote above as per Coolabahapple's comment. Onel5969 TT me 23:41, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Isle of Man TT. Content can be merged from history if desired. Sandstein 16:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Isle of Man TT[edit]

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Cancelled event, only sources are the proposed schedule and sources to say it's cancelled. Usually notable events that are cancelled struggle to meet WP:GNG, and no way this event does Joseph2302 (talk) 17:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment There has been a recent talk:page Requested merge of cancelled events discussion in regard to the cancelled 2020 Isle of Man TT and also the cancelled 2001 Isle of Man races. The consensus of the discussion was generally against a merge to the main article. There is also a further editor consensus that any general (historical) information may only be incorporated at the year page of other article/section as appropriate and not in the main Isle of Man TT article.
There was held instead a virtual 2020 Isle of Man TT races, although some editors may not consider incorporating these race results into the 2020 Isle of Man TT article as being encyclopaedic. However, information about the economic impact of cancellation of the 2020 event may be considered to pass WP:GNG which may be difficult to incoprate into the main Isle of Man TT article. Agljones (talk)19:09, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A virtual race is not notable, and there is nothing in this article to merge (other than saying it was cancelled). This is an AfD discussion, and shouldn't be muddied by the consensus of that merge discussion. This article shouldn't be kept if it doesn't pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Moreover, there is nothing to merge as the main article already has the line of useful content, that this race was cancelled. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:15, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just a caution that a blanket statement that virtual races are not notable probably shouldn't be made. Some will be. Probably not this one though. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:10, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Actual esports races may be notable, but virtual versions of events tend not to be in my experience. And definitely not here. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Palace of Buddies[edit]

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Non-notable band per WP:MUSIC. SL93 (talk) 01:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. I see a consensus that the existing sourcing is insufficient. As this is a bit of a TOOSOON situation, I'm willing to restore to draft/userspace if more sources are located. ♠PMC(talk) 03:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Giorgi Abuashvili[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL.

We do keep some pages on promising youngsters that don't pass NFOOTBALL but I'm not convinced that Abuashvili has enough coverage yet. Suggest delete or draftify. Given that he has only played at under 17 level, I don't think that he is that close to passing NFOOTBALL. Spiderone 10:34, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I've taken the Lelo article into consideration. It's extremely brief and says little more than "16 year old makes debut and plays well". Even if we take World Football Scouting to be a reliable source, that's still just one source covering Abuashvili in-depth. WP:GNG and WP:BASIC both clearly state that sources (plural) are required and that the sources must be reliable, independent and must cover the subject in depth. This clearly is not the case here. At best this is WP:TOOSOON; the player has played 27 minutes in a semi-pro league one and a half years ago and hasn't played since. At international level, he has still only played U17. This is way too soon. Spiderone 10:19, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't go so far as to call this source "extremely" brief, although it si quite moderately sized. And it literally starts with "Remember this guy!", and goes on telling how it has "Something different, a lot of talent and football intelligence", the potential to become "leader of the Georgian national team" and concludes with "who will say that talented boys are no longer growing up in Georgia? If you are skeptical, watch Giorgi Abuashvili's game!". Sure more in-depth coverage would be better, but compared to some obscure english 4th division players he definitely has some notability on a national level. And regarding WP:GNG, those are qualitative and not quantitative standards, so in theory one only good source would be enough. Regarding his career, he also played in the national cup and captained the U17 side. --Coco (talk) 17:16, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GNG says "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" which strongly implies that there needs to be more than one source showing that level of coverage otherwise it would just say 'source'. Unfortunately, there are no inclusion criteria that says we presume someone notable for playing in a national cup or for being captain of the U17 side. Spiderone 19:02, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources suggest that he is notable among Georgians? Spiderone 11:00, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 05:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

McCoon Crossing, New York[edit]

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Topos show this was a railroad crossing, not a hamlet, and even if so, the single residence at the former railroad crossing is not automatically notable. Unclear what the purpose of the source added is supposed to be: it merely mentions a "Martin McKoon" among a list of about 100 people who lived around Columbia, New York in 1810, not anything about this locale. Notability not established with substantive sources. Reywas92Talk 00:57, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. czar 05:09, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ragas in the Guru Granth Sahib[edit]

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It appears that all of the information in this article is already in Sikh music. Lede does not explain in encyclopedic detail the relationship between these raags and the Guru. Few sources are given, and there are no inline citations. The two lists that follow are poorly formatted and confusing, and their relevance is inadequately explained. The "Raag data" at the end of the page is copied verbatim from the source and not remotely encyclopedic in tone, using highly subjective and affective language to describe the music. I am not convinced that this page is either necessary or salvageable. To be continued, HarrySay hello! 00:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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