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Roman Savchenko (footballer)

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An AfD was recently created for this page, and the outcome was to delete it. It has now been created again with no meaningful improvement. Anwegmann (talk) 23:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Does G4 apply here? C F A 💬 00:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, it was soft deleted. C F A 💬 00:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article can stay because: 1. There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia, e.g. Artur Rudko, Jon Šporn and so on. 2. On the other hand the article about Roman Savchenko (footballer) will grow and get better over time. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 08:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per the last AfD and consider full protection. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why delete? The footballer played/plays for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and his contract belongs to the champion of Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:22, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I didn't understood the first delition, and can't understand the current one: he played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, his contract belongs to the champion of Ukraine. He has similar coverage as his teammates. --Noel baran (talk) 10:08, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About evidence of notability: He played for two clubs belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football. For sources please see References/External links in the article. What is SALT? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vladyslav Kalyn

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Appears to be a very young player who may have WP:SIGCOV one day but does not currently meet those standards. Anwegmann (talk) 23:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Firstly, the age of the player (old or young player) is imho not a criterion for deciding whether to delete an article or leave it. The article can stay because: 1. There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia, e.g. Artur Rudko, Jon Šporn and so on. 2. On the other hand the article about Vladyslav Kalyn will grow and get better over time. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 09:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are other articles of size and shape on Wikipedia That's not a compelling argument; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. On the other hand the article about Vladyslav Kalyn will grow and get better over time. The article could made a draft for now then and be re-published when there is WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no guarantee that the article will improve or that Kalyn will become notable over time, this would appear to be a WP:CRYSTAL argument. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (Dynamo Kyiv). About improvement of the article: I try to do my best since I've created the article. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For example: External link 1, External link 2, External link 3, External link 4, External link 5, External link 6 Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Web-wiki-warrior, the sources you found are match reports from UEFA which do not contribute towards WP:SPORTBASIC. This footballer needs to meet GNG in order for his article to be kept. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About links: There are not only links from UEFA. I've also added links with Kalyn's profile at upl.ua, pfl.ua, Soccerway.com, footballdatabase.eu, worldfootball.net, fbref.com.

1. On the page you meant (WP:SPORTBASIC) I couldn't find any WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria if we talk about a soccer player/footballer. Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. 2. What is GNG? Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those are all football database/stats entries that don't provide significant coverage of the subject and do not count towards SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. C F A 💬 19:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Imho at least soccerway.com provides significant coverage of the subject. The same can be said about uefa.com. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails SPORTBASIC. C F A 💬 14:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please give an example of a wikipedia article which provides WP:SPORTBASIC (notability) criteria for a football player. Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Joel Waterman. C F A 💬 19:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. It is ok, but imho article about Vladyslav Kalyn's has similar coverage as some of his teammates who don't provide wikipedia articles for deletion. And as I mentioned above: Kalyn is already notable. He plays for club belonging to the highest tier in Ukrainian football, and he played/scored for Ukraine national U17 football team in the 2023 UEFA European U17 Championship qualification. His contract belongs to the runner-up of the Ukrainian Premier League 2023/24 (Dynamo Kyiv). Web-wiki-warrior (talk) 20:09, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎. CSD G4 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yaroslav Kysil

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Nicolaus von Braun

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This is a weird one. This guy was quartermaster of the garrison regiment of Malmo, Sweden in the early 1700s. Which seems to have been the town guard. Obviously in modern terms being a department chief in a city's police department wouldn't warrant a Wikipedia article by itself, but does it historically? I don't honestly know. The impetus for the Wikipedia article is a 30-page article in a local history yearbook, the citation for which I've cleaned up with a URL which I invite commenters to look at, especially if you speak Swedish. I doubt there are any other internet-accessible sources.

The source material is written in an academic style with citations, but many seem to be general ones for historical context, rather than ones that actually mention von Braun. He seems to only be documented in primary sources found by the chapter's writers, which in theory is fine. Their book chapter is a secondary source which Wikipedia can cite. It is likely to be the only valid source for Wikipedia on von Braun, though. Is that enough? Again, I don't honestly know. This is an AFD where I'm asking what you all think, rather than saying we definitely need to delete the article.

Reading the source through auto-translation it seems to be much more speculative than the Wikipedia article implies, with much of the information about von Braun being guesses and suppositions. It does seem like a bit of hyper-local history. In Wikipedia terms, it will probably be difficult to create meaningful inbound links (I found this article trying to create links to old orphan articles). And it's hard to imagine who's going to be getting useful information from a vague article about a city guard quartermaster from 300 years ago. I know you could make the "it's not useful..." argument for lots of Wikipedia articles, and Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia so it's fine to have articles on very obscure things, but in this case, I mean... who actually is needing this vague information about a city guard quartermaster who didn't do anything notable?

The article was created by a user who was long ago banned, with the central issue seeming to be stretching sources way too far to write content on hyper-local topics... which sounds exactly like what might be going on here right? Here2rewrite (talk) 22:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I ran the name through Project Runeberg [1] and nothing pops up. If there's no biography there, I'm going to say this person isn't notable. Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Notability is not importance so the significance of his office or whether he "did anything notable" is not relevant. All that matters if whether there are enough reliable sources to write a basic biography. Between the thirty pages written about him in the academic edited volume already cited and the literature list therein (most of which are not primary, and several appear to contain significant coverage based on how Norström & Bjernehed cite them, e.g. Den Aran Pommern harstammande svenska atten von Braun and Den med skoldebref forldnade men ej riddarhuset Introducerade svenska adelns attar-tailor). This is a local historical subject but that doesn't exclude it from Wikipedia – Malmö is a city of 350,000 people with an 800 year history, lots of people will be interested in it, even if the nominator isn't. What it does mean is that we shouldn't expect the sources to be an easy google away; they'll be in local libraries, in Swedish, and likely not digitised. – Joe (talk) 07:20, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But we don't have these sources, likely existing isn't good enough. All we have is one biography. Oaktree b (talk) 04:14, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I listed three specific sources. There's Nörstrom & Bjernehed, "Nicolaus von Braun - the major city of Malmö 1705–1710", available online; Schlegel, Den med sköldebref förlänade men ej å Riddarhuset introducerade svenska adelns ättar-taflor, available online; and Sundberg, Den Frȧn pommern Härstammande svenska ätten von braun, available in several libraries. And that's just from a five minute search by somebody who doesn't understand Swedish very well. Sources don't have to be easy to find to be useable. – Joe (talk) 08:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTGENEALOGY and the latter two are certainly genealogical reference books. Geschichte (talk) 10:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTGENEALOGY says family histories should be presented only where appropriate to support the reader's understanding of a notable topic. What part of that excludes considering independent, secondary, reliable sources on genealogy when assessing notability? – Joe (talk) 10:53, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do those sources contain WP:Significant coverage, i.e. non-genealogical coverage, of the subject? TompaDompa (talk) 12:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I do not agree that the sources mentioned above are significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 13:46, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chorzew Siemkowice railway station

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It exists, but this railway stop doesn't meet WP:N. Boleyn (talk) 22:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Polish wiki has two articles that seem to be about the place [2], [3]. It's talked about here [4] and here [5]. Could probably bring enough info together to make a basic article... They seem to be wanting to bring trains back to the line (or have done so already) in 2024, based on the bits I could translate. Oaktree b (talk) 23:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Oaktree b. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Polish Coal Trunk-Line, with positive prejudice for recreation once someone will write an article with some substance. In theory, there is nothing wrong with having this article. In practice there is. It's a premature SPINOFF and shouldn't be kept in present form. gidonb (talk) 21:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - as an editorial matter, I agree with gidonb that redirection is the best outcome. No prejudice toward future expansion. Suriname0 (talk) 16:39, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - there seems to be more material for expansion. There was an incident in 1975 (pl wiki). The station was opened in April 1939, managed under German occupation until 1945. Considering we have no article for the adjacent village, I think best to retain the article. --Soman (talk) 11:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melvin Wandelaar

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. No sources. --Bocanegra (talk) 22:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong delete, next to nothing outside of Wikipedia mirrors. An embarrassing article to have. Geschichte (talk) 08:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Very far from passing the GNG. gidonb (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Superleague Formula 2009: The Game

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This game fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NVIDEOGAMES. Looking at it via WP:BEFORE, not a single review exist for this game. Neither a single source exist for it too. Sank without trace like the eponomous race series. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Seems highly obscure; I fail to see the sourcing here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Superleague Formula#Other ventures per WP:ATD. IgelRM (talk) 08:46, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Superleague Formula#Other ventures per above as an alternative to deletion.Timur9008 (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gunnar Malmqvist

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 14:53, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – same as my argument for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry Long (speedway rider) thathe was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Commenting here to note to the closing administrator that no such criteria exists in NMOTORSPORT. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 09:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've added one additional reference from a Swedish newspaper, but I've only got access to things far more recent than Gunnar Malmqvist's career at home. A search in he newspaper archive of the Royal Library of Sweden gives some promising results, if someone's got access to it through e.g. the university connection (though it's the wrong time of the year to be present on campus, I suppose). /Julle (talk) 03:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - Sources are third party sources. Passes WP:NMOTORSPORT.BabbaQ (talk) 13:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources are not third party. Can you state which criteria of NMOTORSPORT is applicable? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 15:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did BabbaQ actually look at this article? LibStar (talk) 16:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note BabbaQ (talk · contribs) voting 5 keep !votes in 5 minutes. LibStar (talk) 01:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Narendra Bhooshan

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Non-notable civil servant. Civil servants aren't eligible under WP:NPOL, therefore notability needs to be established per WP:GNG, but the sources cited don't come even close to achieving this, being a mix of appointment announcements, primary sources, and ones where the subject is commenting on something ex officio. BEFORE finds nothing better.

This has been draftified (twice) already, so that's not an option, and I didn't think A7 would stick, hence here we are. The last discussion had minimal participation, so hoping for a bit more this time. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:01, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Disagree: While not cited in this article, this person was head of the early COVID-19 pandemic response in a nationally significant city in India as "the most senior official in the Gautam Budh Nagar district".^[1] Probably warranting an article. Tsarivan613 (talk) 14:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any sources that discuss what he accomplished during his time as the head of the COVID-19 pandemic response team? If not, this would end up being just like every other regular announcement article. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 19:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like he helped arrange an oxygen generation security plan for Noida city during early 2021.^[2] India had been experiencing shortages of supplemental oxygen during the delta variant wave.^[3] Tsarivan613 (talk) 23:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The TOI source only mentions his comment on the issue. He gives out interview bytes all the time, since he is the head of the team. This falls under routine coverage and the journal entry does not mention him. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I see a lot of trivial coverage and then some more significant coverage that isn't independent or from WP:RS. But I think this has potential for a !keep if the only concern is notability. Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Rajput, Vinod (31 March 2020). "Greater Noida CEO to handle Covid-19 crisis after DM is shunted - Hindustan Times". Hindustan Times. Retrieved 2 August 2024.
^ Sinha, Snehil (24 May 2021). "Noida to form four oxygen supply chains". Times of India. Retrieved 2 August 2024.
^ Moonis Mirza; Madhur Verma; Soumya S. Sahoo; Sanjay Roy; Rakesh Kakkar; Dinesh K. Singh (2023). "India's Multi-Sectoral Response to Oxygen Surge Demand during COVID-19 Pandemic: A Scoping Review". Indian Journal of Community Medicine. 48 (1): 31–40. doi:10.4103/ijcm.ijcm_665_22. PMC 10112770. PMID 37082381.

Delete: The person's biography doesn't indicate any notability. Routine career and education coverage that reads like a resume of any mediocre official. The 3 articles noted by Tsarivan613 all mention the official as the one who is a part of the Indian Health organization. They don't actually highlight his special role of something really important he did during Covid-19 except for being elected as a supervisor in a specific region. Obviously too early for a separate Wikipedia page. 50.46.167.81 (talk) 00:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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LineLab

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Relatively new product where the only sources about its uses are by the original creators; some third party sources are not relevant as they do not discuss the software. Page was previously tagged by @Chaotic Enby and Jlwoodwa: for promotional tone and other issues. Tags were removed without a significant change in tone, and without adding sources to demonstrate notability. I find nothing in Google search except the company itself, so it is time for an AfD. Ldm1954 (talk) 21:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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East African Air

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I haven't found any sources, and the sources only show an 404 error. And the doing research I only find articles about an private airline from Kenya, so it's probably a hoax. Protoeus (talk) 21:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as either a hoax or, just possibly, a project that never came to fruition. The article cites no sources, and the purported archive link of the "official site" doesn't exist. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:GNG. Despite searching for sources mentioning "East African Air", there exists, from my research, no sources on this topic. The airline's website doesn't seem to work properly with its archived page revealing nothing. Either, this is a hoax article or this was a failed project with limited coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baloch yakjehti committee

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Questionable notability per WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Note that this appears to be a rewrite of a declined draft about the same organization by the same author: Draft:Baloch Yakjehti Committee (BYC). The same issues regarding formal tone appropriate for an encyclopedia noted as problematic in the declined draft seem to afflict this version. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 22:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: per NORG, though the article should be rewritten. Significant coverage in this Asian News International article, this Dawn article, this Times of India article, this The Wire article, etc. C F A 💬 23:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Funny how they left "Sure, here’s how you can add a zone category list to your infobox:" in while copying from ChatGPT. C F A 💬 23:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Merge with Mahrang Baloch~~~~: or Baloch Long March. This organization itself may not satisfy SIGCOV~~ — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Baloch Long March was a past and single event, so it cannot represent the whole BYC. See my comment and the VoA and Al Jazeera sources as justification below. Balochpal (talk) 14:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge: Fails WP:GNG as many sources listed are from unreliable news sites (some of which I've removed) and also lacks WP:SIGCOV. Would also support content worth merging to Baloch Long March Axedd (talk) 22:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. It does meet GNG; the sources just aren't in the article.

Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:CFA
https://www.dawn.com/news/1845830/baloch-yakjehti-committee-postpones-sit-in-after-agreement-with-govt	Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable	About the organization	✔ Yes
https://theprint.in/world/pakistan-baloch-yakjehti-committee-establishes-central-organising-body-mahrang-baloch-chosen-central-organiser/2131286/	Listed on WP:NPPSG as reliable	About the organization	✔ Yes
https://m.thewire.in/article/south-asia/a-baloch-national-gathering-against-enforced-disappearances-and-human-rights-abuses/amp	Listed on WP:NPPSG as generally reliable	About the organization	✔ Yes
https://www.geo.tv/latest/556473-baloch-yakjehti-committee-sit-in-enters-third-day	~ Listed on WP:NPPSG as "leaning towards reliable"	About the organization	~ Partial
https://www.newsx.com/world/baloch-yakjehti-committee-to-run-endbalochgenocide-campaign-against-pakistan-atrocities/	Not listed anywhere, but no reason to assume it's not reliable	About the organization	✔ Yes
https://www.aninews.in/news/world/asia/byc-urges-rights-body-to-intervene-amid-escalating-abuses-in-balochistan20240724190635	~ No consensus on reliability	About the organization	~ Partial
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/baloch-yakjehti-committee-criticises-pakistan-for-atrocities-against-people-of-balochistan/articleshow/111632036.cms	~ No consensus on reliability	About the organization	~ Partial
https://www.lokmattimes.com/international/baloch-yakjehti-committee-steps-up-efforts-for-national-gathering/	Not listed anywhere, but no reason to assume it's not reliable	About the organization	✔ Yes
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That is a source assessment based on significant coverage by major news outlets. Even if we discount the non-listed or no-consensus sources, there are still three reliable sources that offer significant coverage. They just need to be added to the article when it is rewritten. C F A 💬 23:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources like ANI and Times of India are not reliable for the topic. WP:RSPANI Look here for further information. Any India related news site is unreliable when it comes to political topics about Pakistan as the govt has vested interest involved. Other sources do exist but they fail to demonstrate WP:SIGCOV as of now. Axedd (talk) 00:26, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, which is why I marked them as "No consensus" on the chart above. There are still at least 3 reliable, independent sources that offer significant coverage of the organization, which shows that it meets WP:NORG. We can't say something fails GNG just because other unreliable sources happen to have also covered the topic. C F A 💬 00:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per user:CFA. Plus, also check other sources like VoA, Al Jazeera, ABC News, etc as they also mention the BYC. Additionally, please fix the capitalization in the article title (with B, Y and C in capital letters).Balochpal (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC) — Balochpal (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Hello user:CFA. Can you add the above recent sources, plus Amnesty International, Arab News and The Diplomat, to your table as well? They need to be added to the article also. Balochpal (talk) 16:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom as the article fails WP:GNG and is already covered in the Baloch Long March. Ainty Painty (talk) 10:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question: as per the Voice of America, a reliable and authentic source, the Baloch Long March was a past event, not a present event, that happened months ago. (The Al Jazeera news doesn't event mention the long march when discussing the BYC). How would you use it to cover the broader topic of the whole BYC? VoA: Late last year, BYC led a 1,600-kilometer march to Islamabad with families awaiting the return of their loved ones gone missing in the fight between the state and Baloch separatists. Protesters faced severe police action as they tried to enter the capital. Demonstrators, braving the cold for days, eventually left after authorities warned of an imminent security threat. Balochpal (talk) 14:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The coverage provided by CFA is sufficiently convincing to meet the GNG, so I propose that we keep this article. At the very least, it should be merged with Mahrang Baloch rather than being deleted entirely. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 07:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would not agree with merging as the BYC is a significant political movement and the article on BYC has room for expansion using the existent reliable sources. Yes, Mahrang Baloch is one main leader, but the BYC also has other well-known leaders, like Sammi Deen Baloch, as well as many male leaders. Balochpal (talk) 22:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Balochpal, You don't need to respond to every comment. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is a conflict of interest due to the name of the deletion subject and the word before pal in their name Felicia (talk) 14:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Felicia, I have no conflict of interest. My involvement is purely to ensure accurate representation of the BYC, based on verifiable sources (e.g., Dawn, Al Jazeera, Voice of America, The Diplomat, Amnesty International, etc). Balochpal (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The table doesn't include the recent sources like Al Jazeera, Voice of America, etc.; also it's missing Urdu language reliable sources. All of of these will make the topic even more notable. Do you think we can update the table? Balochpal (talk) 09:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Balochpal, Feel free to create a new table below to mention any coverage that you think could support establishing GNG and add this one to the table, as well. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thanks I will try to create a table. If anyone else wants to make one they're also welcome. Balochpal (talk) 05:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Balochpal, Please address this ASAP, as this is the final relist and the AFD will be closing soon. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG Although some of the sources maybe reliable but the status of BYC as a notable group or a party is not established. It would be best to merge it with Mahrang Baloch while one of its significant activity is already mentioned in detail in Baloch Long March. Muneebll (talk) 18:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Educational Basketball

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Disputed draftification, whcih leaves AfD as the route for articles with insufficient referencing and failing WP:GNG. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete with no opposition to draftify, but my BEFORE doesn't show any promise this passes NCORP as I did't find any sources about the organization that satisfied all three of independent, reliable and SIGCOV. Though, happy to be proven wrong by a demonstration of WP:THREE, as always. Bobby Cohn (talk) 00:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Keep as it is mentioned in multiple sources. As an academy it has produced some upcoming notable players. LocomotiveEngine (talk) 10:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Farm Credit Bank of Texas

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Fails WP:NCORP. Haven't managed to find a single independent piece offering significant coverage. There are a few trivial namedrops here and there and that's about it. C F A 💬 19:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kingo Root

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Same as previous AfD (Possibly malware, few and unreliable sources, written somewhat like an ad) – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 16:59, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Support~~ as nominator. Additionally, KingRoot and Kingo Root may be different. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 19:54, 26 July 2024 (UTC) (your nomination is your "vote", this could be seen as a duplicate vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC))[reply]

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Keep CNET from 2016 and DigitalTrends are reliable according to RSP. 1/4 of the content is devoted to the malware suspicions so I don't see how it's writen like an ad, nor is "possibly malware" a valid deletion rationale. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Denny Draper

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Only secondary sources in the article and found during WP:BEFORE check are match reports with surface level coverage of the subject. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:25, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I am happy with the sources in the article, young player with on going career, although somewhat primary heavy, there seems enough to show basic. Govvy (talk) 23:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources do you believe contain significant coverage of the subject? AlexandraAVX (talk) 06:01, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GNG and SIGCOV is only intended for non-specific topics per WP:SNG. Please see BASIC and SPORTBASIC for notability of people (basic criteria) as well as for athletes (additional criteria per WP:SPORTSPERSON). Hence there is a distinct difference for people compared to general topics: "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". CNC (talk) 16:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. All I see here are primary sources, passing mentions, and some YouTube clips. Let'srun (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (contributor). I tried improving this to bring it back to mainspace, based on elements of BASIC per SPORTBASIC (the guidelines that covers the notability of people and athletics), as a combination of secondary sources, rather than the need for exclusive SIGCOV (the guidelines that covers the notability of general topics). So far there is Sky Sports and BBC for this, which I believe is beyond trivial, and borderline BASIC per Govvy comment. It's otherwise unfortunately that the BBC's Women's Football Show episodes are no longer available, as I remember distinct post-game coverage of Draper after her initial goal; that of her international career, prospects and style of play (beyond ROUTINE), that would certainly cross the threshold for basic notability (people and sports-related). I'll try find a copy of this somewhere to see if it could be used as a cite av media ref, even if not possible as an online source. I think it's also fair to assume basic based on "they have achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level", that of being top scorer in the U17 Euro qualifying, as subjectively the U17 Euros are the highest level of competition at that age range, though I can understand how this is intended for senior competitions only, as well as only a guide to likelihood of notability, as opposed to notability itself. Either way, it wouldn't be too much of a loss if the page get's deleted, as I suspect there will be SIGCOV soon enough for it to return. It would be unfortunate for an active WSL player to have their page deleted, but based on policy/coverage it'd be understandable. I can only assume it's age-related as to why there isn't further coverage, given she would be one of the very few active WSL players to have scored a league goal and not have an article. CNC (talk) 16:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Have added a third source for notability [6], so per above comment, that should cover SPORTBASIC. The online source is unavailable, but can be verified here, or otherwise by requesting archival footage from the BBC for non-commercial purposes if preferred (but otherwise nothing wrong with citing media as RS per WP:PUBLISHED). I realise as well that ROUTINE only covers local sources for sport, so with BBC and Sky Sports, game coverage counts for multiple sig cov. At least, I think it's hard to argue that coverage of scoring the winning goal in an important game isn't significant. We can get round to the YT argument if needed, but as it's a verified account from a reliable source (Sky Sports Football) it is "inheriting their level of reliability" per WP:RSPYOUTUBE so shouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 17:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Routine is definitely not restricted to local sources; per policy: For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage. NSPORT's requirement that local sources cannot be routine game coverage does not mean only local sources can be routine game coverage. The video is primary and does not contain encyclopedic coverage: it is routine match commentating and amounts to no more than a sentence or two at most: absolutely not SIGCOV. If this was sufficient for NSPORT purposes we would have articles on every DI and probably DII college football player. JoelleJay (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for the reasons stated above, but also worth adding here that Draper recently signed a pro contract with Leicester. Until now, her WSL appearances had been as an academy player mostly coming off the bench, so reasonable chance of her making match day squads more often. Delete this article and we could end up having to restore it long before Christmas. Leonstojka (talk) 17:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources present in the article seem enough to WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:52, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sourcing is far too weak and transactional to meet GNG and especially YOUNGATH, and SPORTCRIT is absolutely not met by one or two sentences of unscripted video commentary on one match. JoelleJay (talk) 23:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is no instance of WP:SIGCOV in an independent, reliable source as required under WP:NSPORT, and thus the subject also fails WP:GNG which requires multiple instances. Sourcing is limited to WP:ROUTINE match coverage, stats pages, and coverage in affiliated sources. Per a "keep" voter's assertion that she may become more notable in the future given her career prospects, I would be open to a "draftify" outcome if others believe that would be productive; ping me if so and I'll reconsider my current !vote. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify as this appears to be the case that notability is not quite there, but due to the age of the subject and current state of the article, 'sufficient' notability could exist within the next year. C 679 10:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Space Launch System (Turkey)

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Not notable enough to have its own article. No objection if anyone merges it into Space program of Turkey as an alternative to deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: Seems to meet GNG, various independent sources Lordseriouspig 20:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eatliz

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Non-notable band. Searches show up only one newspaper article, and most links to their music on various streaming sites. (Note: searching for the band's name in Hebrew is practically impossible, since their Hebrew name just means "butcher shop", according to Google translate). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Added the band's three albums. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I found this review in Calcalist. Several articles as well but perhaps not independent. Could help for data support. Perhaps someone can find a second review? gidonb (talk) 21:26, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now. On a search of their Hebrew name (easier than OP suggests - I found a lot upon typing "אטליז (להקה)" or "Eatliz (band)" on Google), I found stuff like this from Haaretz (locked under a pay/registration lock but what I see of it looks good) and this from a site called Mako, along with this article from from Israel Hayom (which looks good but I'm not sure about the news outlet that published it). There's more where that came from, although most of them are interviews (admittedly from what look like sizeable news outlets). I'm not familiar with Israeli sources or the Hebrew language, so I could've linked to some unusable trash for all I know, but it sure is there. Good day, Wuju Daisuki (talk) 00:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Idaho Freedom Caucus

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Fails WP:NORG. All coverage I can find is either routine and trivial. The best article available is this short routine AP piece about starting it. Most other coverage focuses on members of the caucus with trivial namedrops. WP:ORGTRIV applies here. C F A 💬 17:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete created by User:IdahoPolitics a sock puppet of User:Tyler Ricks fails WP:NORG. Theroadislong (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not notable. Axad12 (talk) 18:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kerry Chen

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Fails WP:GNG. Non-notable entrepreneur who lacks in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them. Promo article. Fjnat (talk) 16:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, meets WP:GNG. They are at least three sources in the article that gives him significant coverage. Subject had won and received nominations for various awards alongside notable Chinese entrepreneurs. Nothing looks promotional in the article but if they exist AFD is not a place to treat promotional issues, it should be cleaned up. Ednabrenze (talk) 08:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has received WP:SIGCOV in RS and satisfies WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. LocomotiveEngine (talk) 10:17, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the subject has received WP:SIGCOV in RS because he has not appeared in RS at all. None of the refs cited in the article are reliable sources and most of them are written in a promotional tone, especially the Chinese ones. A further in-depth search also failed to show any reliable, independent secondary sources about him. Fjnat (talk) 12:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think you’ve fully read the link that the page already contains. Alternatively, you might be viewing the page from your own perspective, questioning the media’s fairness without providing reliable evidence, simply claiming it’s unreliable. The latest update I’ve seen comes from the Retures articles.[[7]] 114.45.26.245 (talk) 16:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~: No effective references to establish notability. No sign of independent sigcov. The subject has NOT received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

1).None of the references cited in the article are reliable sources and most of them are written in a promotional tone, especially the Chinese ones.

2).The "Fortune China's 40 Under 40 List" is NOT published by Fortune Magazine, but by the Chinese version of the magazine. The Chinese version of the magazine is far less reliable than that of the English version. The "Fortune China's 40 Under 40 List" is far less influential and recognizable than that of the Fortune Magazine's 40 under 40 List. Being included on the "Fortune China's 40 Under 40 List" doesn't establish notability. As for the rest of the nominations and awards, they do even less to establish notability.

3).A further in-depth search also failed to show any reliable, independent secondary sources about him. Fjnat (talk) 12:50, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are the nominator and your nomination statement is your deletion comment/vote. You cannot vote twice. Closing admin please take note of this. Ednabrenze (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it passes notability guidelines. This reporting by China Daily [8] and this from China News Network [9] are reliable and significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. Aadditionally, the subject has been listed in the Fortune China 40 Business Elites Under 40 and has also appeared in the Shanghai Top Ten Internet Entrepreneurs as well as being nominated for Green China Person of the Year 2020-2021. These are significant business notability particularly in China – a country of over a billion people. The Fortune China 40 Business Elites Under 40 is credible, reliable and notable in China and all count for the subject’s notability. Teto Amo (talk) 18:58, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are the creator of the article and it's no surprise that you voted to keep it. The content of the China Daily story is clearly promotional. Both China Daily and China News Network have low reputations and little reliability. None of them are reliable and significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. Fjnat (talk) 07:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being selected as one of the "Top 10 Internet Entrepreneurs in Shanghai" and being nominated for "Green China Person of the Year" doesn't mean anything. They don't matter at all because their influence is insignificant. The "Fortune China's 40 Under 40 List" is far less influential and recognizable than that of the Fortune Magazine's 40 Under 40 List. More importantly, the "Fortune China's 40 Under 40 List" is a commercialized project, and any Chinese entrepreneur under the age of 40 can apply on his or her own by filling out the form. Therefore, being included on the "Fortune China's 40 Under 40 List" doesn't establish notability. Fjnat (talk) 11:18, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s really funny to see you using such discriminatory and offensive language. Moreover, I think you might not know how the internal process system of Under40 works.First of all, while the platform does allow for public submissions, it is not open to just anyone, so please don’t confuse the facts. There are certain thresholds for financing, profitability, and even the requirement for having outstanding products in the industry. Whether it’s Forbes or Fortune in China, or any regional version, they all adhere to principles of fairness and justice. It’s not about buying a spot on the list with money or getting selected by just filling out a form. I hope the editor can understand that international media groups have very strong principles of media integrity, regardless of the country. The list itself does not involve any fees, and only if additional sponsorship is required after the list is produced will there be any business expenses. For more information, please check the link below:FAQ link 114.45.26.245 (talk) 15:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, the subject has not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Fjnat (talk) 13:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep before search and review of the cited references show WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable secondary sources. Runmastery (talk) 09:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Forbes has become deprecated. Does not pass GNG. Bearian (talk) 00:47, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no mention of Forbes in the article and Forbes is not cited as reference in it. Could you please point out the Forbes that has become deprecated and rendered the subject of the article non notable? You may need to review the article and its sources again. The 40 under 40 listed in the article comes from Fortune Magazine not Forbes. I think this is an oversight on your part given your experience as a former admin. Ednabrenze (talk) 05:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to point out that "The 40 Under 40" listed in the article IS NOT from Fortune Magazine but Fortune China (the Chinese version of the magazine). The Chinese version of the magazine is far less reliable than that of the English version. The 40 Under 40 List in the article is actually the "Fortune China's 40 Under 40 List". Fjnat (talk) 08:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it was an oversight on Bearian's part, as he is an experienced lawyer, teacher, and Wikipedia user. He has become worried, as of July 2024, that certain sources cited are not as reliable as they used to be. In particular, Who's Who, Forbes, and the "Grey Lady" have made editorial decisions that make them less reliable than even four years ago [10]. Bearian is worried about RS, especially Forbes. The first sentence expresses his concern about the reliability of Forbes, and the second sentence is his opinion that the subject Does not pass GNG. I agree with Bearian that the subject does not pass GNG. And I think his opinion is important because the subject does not appear in RS. Fjnat (talk) 13:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t quite understand why this editor differentiates between Fortune and Fortune China, and then directly claims that their information is unreliable. I’d like to ask: would you differentiate between Fortune and Fortune Middle East or UK and say that they are unreliable? Fortune is a reputable global media group, and they establish branches in different countries to delve into regional issues. According to the editor’s perspective, does that mean other versions are unreliable and only the main Fortune is credible? This is my concern. 114.45.26.245 (talk) 16:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the website of Fortune, and their own site is very clear about these matters [[11]]. I wonder if this editor has a bias against China, to the point where they believe that any news coming from China is unreliable, even if it’s from international media's Chinese editions. This attitude seems to reflect a lack of understanding. After all, foreign media in China is neither controlled by the government nor by commercial interests. 114.45.26.245 (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have added a new citation[12] from Reuters. Other editors and admins please take note of the new citation. The subject is mentioned at least 12 times in this latest citation and helps strengthen its WP:GNG. Teto Amo (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - The only two reports that fit the profile of a recognizable source are really just propaganda reports, and while the China Daily is certainly authoritative, this one is very brief and not in-depth, with a distinctly propagandistic tone, like a press announcement. So does the China News Network's. And there are no other valid third-party reports.Jimike yep (talk) 22:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please list the two sources that "fit the profile" and then list the ones that you said are "just propaganda". The WP:GNG requirement states that a significant coverage in at least three reliable sources are needed to show notability of a subject of an article. You need to know AFD discussion is based on policy issues and strong evidence to support your view. There are already more than three sources with significant coverage from Reuters, China Daily and China News Network among others. This is your first ever vote in the AFD and you do not appear to understand the policy before voting in this AFD. You should have taken time to study and understand the policy before voting here. You have never created a single article; how will you understand the policy? Teto Amo (talk) 02:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You created this page and I have to say that you may have a special relationship with this person, and I read your comments above that are defending this person, and crucially you have an attacking tone to them, I think it would be a good idea to ask Wikipedia or someone more authoritative to comment on this deletion option. Jimike yep (talk) 07:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The content of the China Daily story is obviously promotional. The content of the China News Network story is still written in a promotional tone. The two sources do not provide significant coverage. More importantly, articles (even if they are initially published) can be published on China Daily [13][14][15][16] and China News Network [17][18][19][20] by paying a fee. The Reuters story (actually published in Chinese rather than English) is an interview, which is not independent of the person being interviewed. None of the three sources provide WP:SIGCOV. Therefore, your assertion that there are already more than three sources with significant coverage does not hold water. Fjnat (talk) 08:41, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the article has now been updated with more citations from internationally and Wikipedia recognized sources including Reuters, Bloomberg and other RS news sites. Teto Amo (talk) 02:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Reuters ref is an interview, and from its content it is clear that it is not independent of the subject. The Bloomberg ref does not provide an in-depth introduction to the subject. Neither reference is an effective source. In addition, there are no other RS news sites in the article. T607^Talk 08:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, seems to meet GNG based on the sources now in the article, which include fairly detailed profiles in independent reliable sources. As far as I can tell, Forbes is not cited in the article, so I'm not sure why its reliability was brought up above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:36, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mx. Granger, the Reuters interview just mentions in passing the information that he is the CEO of the company. The interview focuses on the company founded by the person rather than on the person himself. It's obvious from all the "he said"s and "he explained" that this is just a write-up of an interview. Based on the content of the interview, it is a primary source, and is clearly not independent of the subject. This ref does not provide an in-depth and effective introduction to the person. Therefore, this interview does not provide SIGCOV for him.

The Bloomberg ref emphasizes the company founded by the person, not the person himself. It mentions in passing that the person is the founder and chief executive officer of Shanghai Yueyi Network. This source does not address the topic directly and in detail. Therefore, it is not significant coverage.

The newly added refs above fail WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. The person still does not have received significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources. Therefore, it does not meet WP:GNG. T607^Talk 06:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Editor, it seems you may not have fully read the interviews by Reuters and Bloomberg, which has left you in a rather confused state. Both articles were interviewed Kerry, the person featured on this page, and have already been validated by reputable media outlets. Are you questioning the credibility and reputation of Bloomberg or Reuters?! 2401:E180:8850:CAFA:3069:8CB2:54E3:42CD (talk) 08:43, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're just an IP account and this is your first edit. Prior to this, you hadn't made any contributions. I tell you explicitly that I have carefully read the Bloomberg and Reuters articles. I'm not questioning the credibility and reputation of Bloomberg or Reuters at all. You deliberately misinterpreted me. As I have analyzed in detail above, these two sources are not significant coverage. T607^Talk 09:40, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disagree with you there – the Bloomberg article is clearly significant coverage, mentioning Chen many times and discussing two of his business ventures. The China Daily article has fairly detailed coverage too. Cunard has found more sources below, which seem to be reliable as well. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Zhou, Jiali 周佳丽; He, Caili 何彩俪 (2021-05-30). "复旦学子"收垃圾"撑起一个IPO：估值250亿" [Fudan students "collect garbage" to support an IPO: valued at 25 billion]. Jiemian News (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Kerry Chen was born in Huangshi, Hubei in 1980. He studied undergraduate at Tongji University and later obtained a master's degree in computer science at Fudan University. After graduating from university in 2006, Kerry Chen followed the rules and worked as a technical manager in Shanghai for a while. ... As early as when he was studying at Fudan, Kerry Chen met Sun Wenjun, who was working in research and development at Fudan Guanghua, a subsidiary of Fudan. In 2008, a piece of news left a deep impression on Kerry Chen - "a paper clip for a villa". An American man used a barter method to exchange a paper clip for the right to use a two-story villa for one year in more than a year. So, the idea of starting a business came to the minds of the two."
2. "2018年《财富》中国40位40岁以下商界精英: 陈雪峰" [2018 Fortune China 40 Business Elites Under 40: Kerry Chen]. Fortune (in Chinese). 2018-09-12. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article notes that he was 38 years old in 2018. The article notes from Google Translate: "Kerry Chen graduated from Tongji University with a bachelor's degree and from Fudan University with a master's degree in computer science. His characteristic is "focus"."
3. Xu, Ziming 徐子茗 (2022-11-28). "万物新生（爱回收）创始人兼CEO陈雪峰获"2020—2021绿色中国年度人物"提名" [Kerry Chen, founder and CEO of Wanwu Xinsheng (AiHuiShou), was nominated for "2020–2021 Green China Person of the Year"]. China Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Among them, Kerry Chen, founder and CEO of Wanwu Xinsheng (Aihuishou) Group, was nominated for "2020-2021 Green China Person of the Year". According to reports, Kerry Chen founded the 3C electronic product recycling and environmental disposal platform "AiHuiShou" in 2011, and founded the urban green industrial chain business "AiHuiShou·Ailei" in 2019."
4. Wang, Danqin 王丹沁 (2021-05-17). "爱回收创始人陈雪峰：创业如登山，无所畏惧才能在迷雾中找到出路" [AiHuiShou founder Kerry Chen: Starting a business is like climbing a mountain, only by being fearless can you find a way out in the fog] (in Chinese). China News Service. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Aihuishou founder Kerry Chen is a mountaineering enthusiast. He once took all the executives of Aihuishou to Siguniang Mountain in Sichuan. ... This is the second time that Kerry Chen has fulfilled his promise to climb a snow-capped mountain after crossing the Kubuqi Desert."
5. Qian, Yujuan 钱玉娟 (2020-12-23). "爱回收创始人陈雪峰：不是烧钱就能搞定二手手机交易市场" [Kerry Chen, founder of AiHuiShou: You can't just burn money to conquer the second-hand mobile phone trading market]. The Economic Observer (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article notes from Google Translate: "Kerry Chen, the founder of AiHuiShou and a fan of outdoor mountaineering, once led a team of more than 30 executives to climb Mount Siguniang, which is 5,025 meters above sea level, in September this year. Kerry Chen believes that starting a business is like climbing a mountain. When he moved the real second-hand recycling market to the Internet and started the online second-hand trading business with the bidding recycling business of mobile phone electronic products, the entire Internet industry experienced rounds of changes in the trend, but he never deviated from the "big track" of second-hand 3C. ... For the whole year of 2014, AiHuiShou's financing had no results, and even its TS was torn up twice. When Kerry Chen was desperate, his wife's support gave him a "boost"."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Kerry Chen (simplified Chinese: 陈雪峰; traditional Chinese: 陳雪峰) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have analyzed the references you listed and none of them are reliable sources. The WP:GNG states that a subject is notable if it has been discussed in multiple, independent, reliable sources. However, the subject has not been discussed in multiple, independent, reliable sources. T607^Talk 11:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Kabiri

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Not seeing how they satisfy WP:NPOL. He only served as a "deputy of cooperative affairs in the Ministry of Cooperation, Labor and Social Welfare". Does not meet WP:GNG at best. Jamiebuba (talk) 15:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the correct title would be Deputy Minister. This is backed up by Farsi sources, that his title was 'معاون وزیر'. Deputy Ministers of national govts are notable, and in this case also member of Steering Council of national govt. --Soman (talk) 11:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure this is an NPOL pass - generally, presumed notability would be for cabinet-level posts, but as far as I know deputy ministers in Iran do not serve at cabinet level. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 00:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matthew Immers

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Immers fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. The sources are more focused on Steven van de Velde than Immers. Dougal18 (talk) 12:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect – I made a good faith effort to try and expand this earlier but Dougal18 is right, the sourcing is almost entirely about his connection to Steven van de Velde. They did win a match but I don't think that translates to a medal where WP:NOLYMPICS comes into play and even then that's presumptive notability. It's possible I'm not looking in the right places and the current coverage is just drowning out other aspects of this guy's career but I honestly haven't found anything. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect (& delete individual page). Athlete is not independently notable, which fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Even the German page about him has no independent sourcing. All notable mentions in the media are connected to Steven van de Velde. Silvymaro (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:19, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I improved the article with a couple of his merits that are not related to van de Velde. Commonssense (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The improvements - two youth appearances - are the definition of routine coverage, and passing mentions relating to non-notability-establishing tournaments, at that. And only two, but even if there were three (bare minimum of continued coverage), it's not sigcov. Kingsif (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect even after the improvements my Commonsense this still lacks Notability as it only came from one source, which I still don't know if it is WP:RS Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 06:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - Steven van de Veldes article was a Keep and deemed notable per WP:GNG. This person is as well notable per good third party sources and Olympic appearance and sports career.BabbaQ (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The premise of the AfD is that Immers' connection to someone notable (van de Velde) does not make Immers notable - arguing that someone else is notable is not a !keep argument, let alone a strong one. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Immers has now consistent top ten placements in the European Championships, World Championships and the Olympics, so he clearly belongs to a very narrow elite in his sport. His European championship title as a junior may not be enough in itself (I and BabbaQ have expanded the article considerably since most people here argued for redirect) but even that is important in the big picture, how consistent this player has been throughout his career. The argument to keep has nothing to do with the global infamy resulting from his association to van de Velde. As a beach volley player he is equally notable in his own right as van de Velde is in that regard. Commonssense (talk) 08:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was responding to BabbaQ's argument that since Van de Velde has an article, Immers should. Your response, about how great you think he is and how much work you put into adding two lines to the article, is irrelevant to that. Kingsif (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Does meet WP:SPORTCRIT, and has more coverage in Dutch. Geschichte (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strongly oppose redirect: Matthew Immers has played on a high level with a number different people (such as Yorick de Groot, together with whom he won silver at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics). It is common in beach volleyball to play with multiple partners during ones career. To redirect him to one specific partner is not very helpful. In particular when that specific partners fame is based on the combination of being an Olympian and a convicted child rapists. There is no sports reason to redirect Immers to van de Velde rather than the other way around. The only reason would be that van de Velde is more famous due to being a convicted child rapists. Since Immers is not a convicted child rapists having a redirect that way seems like an (unintentional) character assassination. As per Geschichte and others I would prefer keep due to his results as a player. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 19:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The proposed redirect target is surely Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. Kingsif (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst that for sure is better than Steven van de Velde that is not an obvious target. It is only the competition that is most recent right now. Beach volleyball at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics would likely make more sense, since that is the global competition in which he won a medal. In general redirects are quite overused on Wikipedia in ways that are not very helpful. If not considered noteworthy a simple deletion would probably be better since then search tools can show any of the articles in which he is mentioned. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 06:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. I struggle to see more that routine coverage and no coverage that is focused on the subject. --Enos733 (talk) 20:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Honoré Lechasseur

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This is a character so incredibly obscure that I didn't even know we had an article on this guy until today, somehow has two separate notability tags on his article, and is lucky to receive two pageviews a day according to statistics. A source search yields quite literally nothing except for the books the character starred in. There is no coverage on this character, and is better off being redirected towards Time Hunter, the series in which the character stars. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Time Hunter (though that article is, itself, in pretty terrible shape). There are no valid sources currently in the article, and searches did not turn up any coverage in reliable sources about this character. Rorshacma (talk) 22:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect to Time Hunter, which should be developed to basic standards before diving into character subarticles. Nothing here but OR and PLOT. – sgeureka ^t•c 10:46, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Redirect per sgeureka. If the topic doesn't satisfy WP:N, there aren't enough sources to fix WP:OR and WP:PLOT problems. Shooterwalker (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zaur Darabzada

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Fails WP:BIO. Significant coverage in secondary reliable sources is lacking. There is not a fact in the person's activities that would make him notable. Being a member of the Board of Directors of CinemaPlus alone does not make a person notable. Also, this article was deleted from azwiki as a result of a discussion and was subsequently requested for restoration several times. Additionally, the article was previously created under the name "Zaur Darabzadeh" on enwiki, then deleted, and after its deletion, the article name was protected due to repeatedly recreating attempts. Sura Shukurlu (talk) 16:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gary Goh

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Fails WP:BIO, WP:NAUTHOR, WP:NPROF and WP:GNG. I can't find a single reliable secondary source on him, and this version of the article (recreated in May 2024) is sourced only by press releases and the author's own works. I could find no independent reviews of any of his books in a WP:BEFORE search, and nothing remarkable about his academic career. His press releases say he was a visiting/emeritus professor at the now-defunct California International Business University in the US (which appears to have a been a visa mill), South-West State University in Russia, and an online outfit called "SABI University" in France which appears to be a degree mill.

Outcome of the last AFD was to draftify per creator's request in April 2019. The draft was abandoned, and deleted in March 2021. Editors searching for significant coverage, please note that there is an unrelated Singaporean film producer with this name, and an unrelated Malaysian athlete. Wikishovel (talk) 16:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can't find significant secondary coverage, all of the sources are either written by the subject or press releases. hinnk (talk) 03:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He seems to be a prolific writer of self-published books, which could be a claim to notability if we could find enough reliably-published reviews of them. But I didn't find any. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:37, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYWC-AM

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Previously deleted and salted as DYWC * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dujon Dujonar

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Fails WP:NFILM, without reviews in independent, reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG as well, coverage is limited to WP:PRIMARYSOURCES and tabloid coverage disallowed per WP:SBST. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Bangladeshi films of 1999 -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:12, 9 August 2024 (UTC) (invited nominator to do so in my DeproD edit summary; not opposed to Keep myself, but his is a standard alternative to deletion when sources exist and cast is notable. I am inviting users who find films/series not notable enough for a standalone page to always consider this possibility.)[reply]
Didn't see that in your edit summary. Not opposed in principle to a redirect but I'd rather have it be stable via an AfD consensus than subject to a revert war. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would not characterize Prothom Alo, Bhorer Kagoj, Samakal, Somoy News, or Manab Zamin as tabloid coverage, but all of them make only passing mention of the film, and I could find no better sources, so I agree that it is not notable.

Redirect would be a good choice if I believed that the film might become notable in the future, but I don't. Wikipedia's internal search is much better than it used to be, so without a redirect it will return three lists that include the film and eight biographies of people involved in it. Readers can choose the result(s) they're most interested in.

Delete is the better choice, given that the article was created by a block-evading sockpuppet, and is only ineligible for G5 because it was then extensively edited by someone about whom it was concluded "There's certainly some UPE or meatpuppetry going on", even though they could not be linked by technical evidence to the same sockfarm. (They're currently indefed for advertising and promotion.) --Worldbruce (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BridgeWay Station

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Recreated by a now-blocked sock after prior soft deletion in 2023. Fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:NBUILD with significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dandenong West Football Club

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Contested redirect (courtesy @Nyttend:) and N/C a year ago at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dandenong Football and Netball Club, but still no evidence of independent sourcing leading to notability for this team. Star Mississippi 13:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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When I came along, I found that it had been redirected on notability grounds, while other clubs in its league still had articles. I have no opinion on notability, but I believe it absurd to have articles on some clubs in a league while redirecting others. If this concludes in deletion, others ought to be handled likewise. Nyttend (talk) 23:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There's a few non-AFL club articles which are pretty rundown and poorly maintained, I've just done some work fixing this one and there's plenty of independent news coverage about it Totallynotarandomalt69 (talk) 00:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect (or delete, either would be appropriate) The references added since the original nomination all fall under the banner of WP:LOCALCOVERAGE (since most are from the local council newspaper) or non-independent sources. There are two references to the club from the website of the Herald Sun, which ostensibly meets the threshold of being a major statewide newspaper – but a closer look would suggest that those are both the 'Local Footy' section of the newspaper's website, which tends to be an online mirror of affiliated council newspapers – plus they're quite WP:ROUTINE. On the balance of everything I don't think it quite meets a GNG hurdle. Aspirex (talk) 12:05, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rakesh Varre

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NACTOR (with only one significant role in a notable film). The available sources are all tabloid coverage under WP:SBST and/or of questionable reliability under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Repeatedly recreated by UPE/COI editors. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He seems to have more than one significant role in notable productions. Significant does not mean "lead" role only. Did you have his role in Evvarikee Cheppoddu in mind? His role in Badrinath could be considered significant too; and at least a couple of other roles. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom; no evidence of notability. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, passes WP:NACTOR. Just go to Baahubali 2: The Conclusion and ctrl-f his character Sethupathi. He has played negative roles (in films such as Badrinath) which may have garnered more recognition than Evvarikee Cheppoddu.[29] DareshMohan (talk) 15:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: per DareshMohan. Multiple significant roles in notable productions. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Draftify. The subject's whole career is from unreliable source 123Telugu.com. If you take out everything from the career that is solely from unreliable source, nothing is left. 2 other unreliable sources are Indiaglitz and idlebrain. TimesofIndia source WP:NEWSORGINDIA is also just an interview for WP:PROMO of upcoming film. Fails WP:SIGCOV on the subject's career to consider a standalone notable page but also opting for draftify if the page can be improved with significant coverage with reliable secondary independent sources. Page also fails WP:NBIO. RangersRus (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Henry Long (speedway rider)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources provided. Nothing found when searching ["Henry Long " speedway] LibStar (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep for that he was one of the title clinching finalist of a world championship event, thus he should be able to pass WP:NMOTORSPORT. WP:ATD will be to draftify for expansion. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That isn't a criteria of WP:NMOTORSPORT? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That criteria can be summed up in two words - utter ******* - too overly biased on circuit racing and overly biased on multi-round championships too IMO, because the sport attracts their fanboys. As with #9, how many classes are there at the Bonneville Speed Week? How many records are up for grabs there by SCTA? Or that does not count as notability despite media talking about the cars in that event?
  I think the criteria for world championship speedway should be at least 2 or more appearances in title clinching finals. SpacedFarmer (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - You can't appeal to your ideal version of the guideline. It doesn't say what you want it to. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 05:25, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A criteria for WP:NTRACK above says "Finished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic Games and world championships." This means all finalists at those two events pass notabilty as there are 8 lanes on an IAAF approved track. This is what my point is based on. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    NTRACK is for track and field athletes. The IAAF is the old name of the governing body for athletics, not for speedway. I don't understand why you would build your argument on a notability guideline for an entirely different sport. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree with above comment from 5225. LibStar (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Primary sources only, no indication of notability. No sources presented to prove otherwise. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matúš Viedenský

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Article fails WP:GNG without significant coverage. The closest news source I found regarding him is SME which mentions that he has a brother named Marek. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails the GNG, and any iteration of NHOCKEY, with a brief career in the Slovak minor leagues. Ravenswing 18:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge What little information is in the page can be safely added into the page of his much more famous brother Marek Viedenský. 193.87.134.38 (talk) 07:39, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly no prejudice against a redirect. Ravenswing 13:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swissôtel Amsterdam

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Google news search yields hardly anything. 2 of the 3 sources merely confirm winning a non notable award, in any case the sources are primary. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In addition to the new sources, could find the following:

(supports notability) Stadsnieuws. DE NIEUWE LUNCHROOM. "Het nieuws van den dag : kleine courant". Amsterdam, 11-05-1901, p. 3. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010128190:mpeg21:p003

(supports notability) Lunchroom. "De Tĳd : godsdienstig-staatkundig dagblad". 's-Hertogenbosch, 12-05-1901, p. 6. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010407942:mpeg21:p006

(data only, not notability) Vervolg Nieuwstijdingen. STADSNIEUWS St-Nicolaas-wandelingen.. "De Tĳd : godsdienstig-staatkundig dagblad". 's-Hertogenbosch, 05-12-1896, p. 4. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010991206:mpeg21:p004

(data only, not notability) Stadsnieuws. Officieele Kennisgeving.. "Het nieuws van den dag : kleine courant". Amsterdam, 10-04-1901, p. 10. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=ddd:010128163:mpeg21:p010

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Could you please translate these? LibStar (talk) 07:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just stick it in auto translate. Like any other editor. No need to reply to every opinion that makes a different proposal. Each respondent will reach their own conclusion. Of course, I thoroughly read the intro, and had already taken it into full account when drawing my own conclusions. gidonb (talk) 14:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are images of newspaper clips so can't stick them in autotranslate. " No need to reply to every opinion that makes a different proposal." I am merely seeking clarification which is permitted. LibStar (talk) 00:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Tekst" on the right hand side will open the article after OCR. gidonb (talk) 13:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(data only, not notability) AMSTERDAM. "De morgenpost". Amsterdam, 02-08-1902, p. 2. Geraadpleegd op Delpher op 06-08-2024, https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=MMSAA06:165560029:mpeg21:p00002

Notability supporting new RS: [30][31][32][33]. Do note that the range of coverage is 2021-1896=125 years. gidonb (talk) 01:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SIGCOV. Every hotel will get some brief coverage in the local media. See also my standards. Bearian (talk) 00:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, my friend! Not sure what you mean with "some brief coverage in the local media". Nieuws van den Dag was distributed in all of North Holland and carried national and international news. De Tijd was a national newspaper, then merged into a leading news magazine. Also national. AD is a national newspaper, the second-largest of the Netherlands. If it hasn't passed De Telegraaf, the largest. While Het Parool comes closest, it is distributed in the Amsterdam region and also carries international and national news. Still a regional newspaper, formerly national. FD is also a national newspaper. The six articles that I indicated in these newspapers are not short either. The list is not conclusive at all. Three other articles are short, yet important for whomever wants to integrate sources in the entry, so I added them anyway and clearly flagged these here as "data only, not notability". gidonb (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like any other editor. No need to reply to every opinion that makes a different proposal. Each respondent will reach their own conclusion. LibStar (talk) 09:21, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For sure :-) gidonb (talk) 14:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. The sources found by gidonb (talk · contribs).
2. Here are some English-language sources I found:
  1. "travel42 Hotel Review: Swissotel Amsterdam". Travel Weekly. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
    The review notes: "This hotel is as central as one could hope for, plunked down on one of the city's busiest byways, in the shopping district, steps from the Royal Palace and Dam Square (Amsterdam's version of Times Square—without all the lights), and a short walk from the rail station and Amsterdam's famous cannabis cafes. From the outside no one would ever guess this to be a clockwork-efficient Swissotel, but it is one of the best business lodges in the city, though its casual..."
  2. Frommer's reviews:
    1. Legarde, Lisa (1995) [1981]. Frommer's Comprehensive Travel Guide: Amsterdam (8 ed.). New York: Macmillan Publishers. p. 69. ISBN 0-02-860459-8. ISSN 0899-3181. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Internet Archive.
      The review notes: "If you like to stay at elegant, small hotels wherever you travel in Europe, you'll be pleased by the Swissôtel Amsterdam Ascot. Opened in 1987, this hotel, like so many in Amsterdam, was built anew within the walls of a group of traditional canal-house buildings. The location is superb, just footsteps off Dam Square and directly across from De Bijenkorf department store. The service is personal and thoughtful, guest rooms are large and quiet (thanks to double-glazed windows), and the baths are fully tiled in marble. You'll have to go elsewhere to find a health club or a hairdresser. But aren't these all the reasons why you choose a hotel such as this one? Dining/Entertainment: Le Bistro (see Chapter 5 for details) has the ambience of an intimate bistro. Services: 24-hour room service. Facilities: Newsstand, souvenir shop, jewelry shop."
      The review notes about Swissôtel Amsterdam's Le Bistro Suisse: "Just off Dam Square, down a small alleyway that leads off the Damrak, you'll find Le Bistro Suisse. Even though it's the restaurant of the Swiss-owned Ascot, it looks like a bit of Paris dropped into the heart of Amsterdam. Dark woods and crisp white linens give a semiformal yet warm feeling to the place, and a newspaper rack with papers on wooden braces invites you to linger if you're dining alone. The menu is varied to suit a variety of appetites and budgets. To start you might try the famous Swiss Rösti (shredded baked potato) with different toppings, then choose an elaborate French dish to follow. Or try the chef's special wild boar steak."
    2. McDonald, George (2001). Garcia, Matthew (ed.). Frommer's Amsterdam (11 ed.). New York: Hungry Minds. p. 62. ISBN 0-7645-6264-9. ISSN 0899-3181. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Internet Archive.
      The review notes: "If you like to stay at elegant, not-too-big hotels wherever you travel in Europe, you'll be pleased by the Swissôtel Amsterdam. Opened in 1987, this hotel, like so many in Amsterdam, was built anew within the walls of a group of traditional canal-house buildings (Damrak was at one time a canal). The location is superb, just footsteps off the Dam and directly across from De Bijenkorf department store. The service is personal and thoughtful, guest rooms are large and quiet, thanks to double-glazed windows; and hair dryers, coffeemakers, and in-house movie channels are standard. The bathrooms are fully tiled in marble. All guest rooms and the lobby have been renovated in the last few years. You have to go elsewhere to find a health club or a hair-dresser, but the Swissôtel offers very good value for money in this prime location. Dining: Olio takes its inspiration from Mediterranean cuisine. Amenities: Concierge, 24-hour room service, dry cleaning and laundry, newspaper delivery, in-room massage, baby-sitting, secretarial services, express checkout, gift shop."
  3. Winkelman, Carol (1997). Travel & Leisure: Amsterdam. New York: Macmillan Publishers. p. 79. ISBN 0-02-860698-1. ISSN 1088-4793. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Internet Archive.
    The review notes: "This is one of the better hotels near Dam Square. Although it's in the midst of tourist throngs on the outside, the hotel's interior is calm, tasteful, and immaculate. It is also just around the corner from the Royal Palace and close to shops, restaurants, and cafes of the Jordaan and Prinsengracht neighborhoods. Getting around town is effortless, as most trams stop near the hotel, while excursions can easily be made from Centraal Station, a 5-minute walk away. Rooms are stylish and well-equipped, and although the hotel does not have parking, there is a 24-hour parking garage at the nearby Grand Hotel Krasnapolsky. Proximity to Dam Square may be an asset, but not at night, especially for women alone (see "Safety" in "The Basics"). Amenities: Minibar, air-conditioning, fax and secretarial services available, restaurant, bar, 2 floors of special business rooms with safes, conference space up to 50, 1 room wheelchair accessible."
  4. Wilbur, Luan (1992-04-09). "Tiptoeing through the tulips". Hinckley Times. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
    The article notes: "Our next visit was the Swissotel Amsterdam Ascot Hotel where we were greeted by our hosts Erik Delmee, Sales Executive, and Karin van der Zee-Samuels, Director of Sales and Marketing. The hotel was charming and after a tour around some of its finest and most deluxe rooms, I fell in love with the idea of spending a weekend surrounded by the luxury of the Ascot. We entered the hotel's in-house restaurant, "Le Bistro", to sample some of its predominantly French cuisine, and I think I can speak on behalf of everyone in our group when I say that the food was exquisite. And what's more, the cosmopolitan atmosphere of Le Bistro and the hospitality of Karin and Erik, made the lunch stop definitely something to write home about."
  5. Hartford, Mavis (2006-04-16). "Eye-catching Amsterdam". Penticton Western News. Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12 – via Newspapers.com.
    The article provides two sentences of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "The Swissotel Amsterdam opened in 1987. It is a small luxury hotel built within the walls of a group of old traditional canal-house buildings, where prices start at $172."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Swissôtel Amsterdam to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hotel reviews may come under WP:PRODUCTREV. From above 5 by Hartford is not significant coverage. I note it says the hotel opened in 1987 when most of gidonb's sources predates this (may further the argument that the building rather than the hotel is notable. Source 1 comes from https://www.travelweekly.com/About-Us , not sure how independent it is. LibStar (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This text covers Damrak 95 well: "Al in 1883 was in Amsterdam een Vereeniging tot bevordering van het Vreemdelingenverkeer opgericht. Maar die deed niet veel meer. Uit ergernis daarover werd in 1902 de concurrerende vereniging ’t Koggeschip opgericht, die een inlichtingenbureau opende. Damrak 95 zou tot in de jaren zeventig het adres blijven van de VVV Amsterdam, in 1937 ontstaan uit een fusie van beide verenigingen en tegenwoordig Amsterdam Marketing geheten. Het inlichtingenbureau zat op de eerste verdieping, boven een bijkantoor van de Amsterdamsche Bank en NV Wisselkantoor Amsterdam. Met het oog op het evenementrijke jaar 1913 (o.a. scheepvaarttentoonstelling ENTOS en expositie De Vrouw 1813-1913) gaf ’t Koggeschip eind 1912 in 10.000 exemplaren een Gids van Amsterdam met plattegrond uit."[34] Ons Amsterdam is an independent magazine. We have more sources on Damrak 95. The Bodega/Lunchroom at Damrak 96 is covered in other sources above. No objection to a rename to Damrak 95-96.[35] User:Ruud Buitelaar, do you want to chime in? gidonb (talk) 02:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pure (programming language)

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Fails WP: N. There are some AfDs in the past that mostly made arguments that weren't based on Wikipedia policy (plus some off-site canvassing). There is a short article in iX about the language, but this alone isn't enough to meet notability guidelines. If voting Keep, please provide sources that are reliable and substantially more than a few sentences about the language -- there needs to be enough to write an actual article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I should also add that Albert Graef is the creator of the language -- sources created by them or their close affiliates shouldn't be considered for establish notability. HyperAccelerated (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. A lot of the previous AfD arguments were based on non-arguments such as "under active development", "unique language", and "not an orphan". IntGrah (talk) 18:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Well, one of the previous AfD arguments mentioned a refereed article from the Linux Audio Conference 2009 proceedings, this ACM paper, and Michael Riepe. Rein ins Vergnügen : Pure – eine einfache funktionale Sprache. iX 12/2009, p. 147. ( http://www.heise.de/ix/artikel/Rein-ins-Vergnuegen-856225.html ). This seems like three decent sources to me. No? jp×g 🗯️ 12:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The iX article is fine, but the ACM paper (An LLVM backend for GHC) only mentions Pure in a list of other languages that use LLVM (Pure: A functional programming language based on term rewriting. Pure uses LLVM as a just-in-time compiler.), and the LAC2009 paper (Signal Processing in the Pure Programming Language) is by Albert Gräf so it's not independent. Looking at other citations of Gräf's papers, I couldn't find any that discussed Pure in depth - it's sometimes mentioned as an example of a term-rewriting language but only in passing. It was a nice design and somewhat unusual when it came out, but I don't think it meets GNG. Adam Sampson (talk) 14:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Rewriting - I think the best outcome here is probably one or two sentences on the language in a new paragraph inserted under Rewriting#Term rewriting systems#Use in programming languages. I agree with Adam Sampson's assessment of the sources, and it seems like there's been almost no uptake of the language in either academia or industry in the last 10 years (which would make me want to ignore the lack of WP:SIGCOV). I do think this should likely exist as a redirect, and I'm not confident my proposal is the best; there's some argument for expanding its discussion on LLVM or for including a sentence in Pattern matching instead. Happy to keep instead if there are sources I missed. Suriname0 (talk) 17:52, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of career achievements by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

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Similar to other articles in the Career achievements of basketball players category, this is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections, which is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS and does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NLIST. The most pertinent info is already included in the main article. Let'srun (talk) 00:58, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but with severe pruning. Ditch the NBA statistics and Career high sections and trim the NBA records, but that still leaves a notable boatload of the last, e.g. most points scored, most blocks (both now second), etc. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Too many for one regular bio page. KatoKungLee (talk) 23:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep unless there's a solid reason to delete it beyond being statistics-heavy. Kareem is one of the sport's greatest players, something which has drawn extremely extensive commentary, so I don't think this is really indiscriminate.

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Delete Unneeded WP:CONTENTFORK packed with WP:UNDUE, indiscriminate, trivial stats minutiae. Major, defining achievements should be captured in the main bio. The basic achievements are already at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § NBA career statistics, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Athletic honors and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Legacy. Also fails WP:NOTSTATS: Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing As most of this page is unsourced (tagged since April), there's no opportunity to merge either. Consistent with consensus against standalone odes to other Basketball Hall of Fame players and "top 10" of all-time like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Hakeem Olajuwon and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Larry Bird.—Bagumba (talk) 10:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. ~~The sole delete vote recommends merging the material into the main article.~~ However, that article is very long (8098 words), and WP:SIZESPLIT applies. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not recommend a merge at all: As most of this page is unsourced (tagged since April), there's no opportunity to merge either. As also mentioned, WP:NOTSTATS applies for the trivial numbers as well.—Bagumba (talk) 11:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First all-time (second now) scoring, rebounding and blocked shots are "trivial numbers"? Also, why are you typing "*:"? ":*" actually does something with the asterisk. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:41, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As mentioned previously, major stats such as those are presented in prose at Kareem Abdul-Jabbar § Legacy. It doesn't need a standalone list conflated with unsourced trivial stats. As for the indenting question, I was using the reply tool, and its formatting seems consistent with Wikipedia:Colons and asterisks § Best practices—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Colons_and_asterisks#Best_practices says to use things like ":::" or "***", not a mixture. If the reply tool is doing something else, then it's faulty in a minor way. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:23, 5 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]

There's a mixed example there showing *****: sixth reply.—Bagumba (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Armoured One

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Looks like not meeting NCORP, no reliable media. BoraVoro (talk) 12:25, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fight Dem Back

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Fails WP:GNG. Can only find trivial mentions of this website/group. Traumnovelle (talk) 10:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per nom. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 12:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NRT News

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Even though the acceptance of WP:TNT is very far from universal, I think this article is of such a low quality that deletion on this ground is reasonable. The article is short and disorganized, the phrasing is unencyclopedic, and it cites just one relevant source. Is this article suitable for an encyclopedia in its current state? No. Is its current state useful as a starting point for improvement? Again, no. Janhrach (talk) 09:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep - AfD is not the place for article cleanup. If you feel article needs to be improved, edit it. This article is by no means an extreme case that would warrant WP:TNT. --Soman (talk) 11:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Since the nominator asks for deletion and not for cleanup, there is no procedural reason to close early as keep. The discussion has to come down to whether TNT deletion is warranted or not. Since 1 person thinks it is and 1 person thinks it's not so far, the discussion should be allowed to continue. Geschichte (talk) 11:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 5 interwiki links, de:Nalia Radio and Television looks good for notability, WP:Deletion is not cleanup, and this one is short enough to clean up or expand easily. I removed two wonky sentences and added a source. – sgeureka ^t•c 11:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of electoral firsts in New Zealand

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Fails WP:NLIST. Closest thing I can find is this: [36]. Ultimately this is WP:LISTCRUFT with no reliable source dictating which 'firsts' are notable and worthy of inclusion. All MPs are presumed notable so having them be notable by other characteristics typically involves original research. Traumnovelle (talk) 08:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DISAGREE Re ‘’ List of electoral firsts in New Zealand ‘’ Wikipedia articles on individual MPs frequently refer to an individual MPs claim to fame eg being the longest serving MP (Rex Mason), and the parliamentary website itself has a list of “longest serving Members of Parliament” [[ https://www.parliament.nz/en/visit-and-learn/mps-and-parliaments-1854-onwards/longest-serving-members-of-parliament/ ]]. There are similar lists for other countries eg List of electoral firsts in Canada and List of electoral firsts in the United Kingdom. Hence I do not see the need for an item by item justification of this or similar lists. Hugo999 (talk) 10:49, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OSE and what Wikipedia writes isn't relevant here. WP:NLIST is which states: 'Notability guidelines also apply to the creation of stand-alone lists and tables. Notability of lists (whether titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs") is based on the group. One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been'. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment can you explain your logic with All MPs are presumed notable so having them be notable by other characteristics typically involves original research.? I don't follow at all, and your point here seems to be adding 2 and 2 to get 7. Turnagra (talk) 20:22, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many of these entries involve original research, for example Iriaka Ratana's source here: [37] does not say she is the first. Instead someone has come to that conclusion via their own research. Stating that these MPs are notable for their 'firsts' is also typically original research, as without a source that states it it's an assumption that their 'first' made them notable rather than the fact that being an MP makes one notable. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having sourcing issues doesn't necessarily mean that it's original research, though. A cursory google search of that specific example found this within about 20 seconds. I also still fail to see how their inclusion of a first leads to the assumption you're stating at the end, or how that somehow diminishes the notability of the list. I think at the moment I'm leaning heavily towards keep. Turnagra (talk) 20:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That still doesn't state she was the first MP to give birth. NLIST requires it to have been discussed as a group by a set of independent reliable sources and I do not see any group discussing it. I see no evidence of notability of a list of 'firsts'. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, tag it with Template:Citation needed. MPs are discussed as a group and first things are notable to mention - not to mention there are dozens of other "lists of firsts". I'm tapping out of this one now, so no need to continue responding to try and push your point further. Turnagra (talk) 23:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and NLIST. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Are you proposing to delete all "Lists of Firsts?" Hugo999 (talk) 04:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Any list (and especially lists of "firsts") should be discussed in reliable sources as a topic AND the criteria must not be indiscriminate. (see this recent discussion). So, this fails NLIST and WP:TRIVIA. --Enos733 (talk) 04:49, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kenneth Edward Gentry

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Complaint on talk page from 2017 that notability has not been demonstrated. -- Beland (talk) 06:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:PERPETRATOR Lacking motivation for the crime. Sketchy info on his background, and other details. Too much info is missing. — Maile (talk) 01:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as the article has cited 5 sources and is only assessed as a stub, so will be missing information at this stage of development. The 2017 complaint on the talk page was not followed up at the time by a deletion proposal, so I think it is difficult to judge if the complainant was really serious in their comment that the article isn't notable because the murderer's last meal wasn't, or just trying to be provocative. The fact that someone wrote a book about executed prisoners last meals, and this meal is cited on page 36, contradicts the complaint's suggestion that the article is not notable because the meal is not notable. This person was executed in 1995, for a murder that occurred in 1983. This is before most news went on-line, so editors researching this article need to read old paper newspapers or books to find sources that will demonstrate notability. Another cited source indicates that the subject's religious faith is also notable. There are also uncited sources that indicate the subject was denied his constitutional rights to access the court system. I think a better reason is needed to justify deletion than the complaint that is made on the talk page. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per PERPETRATOR. Nothing special about this particular murderer. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. I agree with Cameron Dewe that the rationale given to suggested deletion is flawed (and the rationale given vis a vis WP:PERPETRATOR is misunderstanding policy, that is not what it means), but after a more thorough search I do not see clear-cut sigcov. I checked newspapers and old books as suggested but there is very little other than the announcement of his execution and a brief burst of coverage in 1984 for the prison escape, there is next to nothing. The murder itself was barely covered - I'm surprised by this, given it was egregious enough to warrant the death penalty, but oh well. There is this and this, which are probably almost sigcov. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sivaiah Potla (Surgeon)

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Article about a non-notable orthopedic and surgeon that does not meet WP:GNG. Sources are PR and paid pieces. Jamiebuba (talk) 15:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Balalin Theater Troupe

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Lacks notability, significance. Not much found when search performed on Google etc. Thewikizoomer (talk) 09:49, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Symbol-intensive brand

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Some kinda essay or dictionary definition, not an encyclopedia article. I am also nominating these pages for the same reason: Icon brand & Cult brand. Polygnotus (talk) 07:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment the "See also" in your nomination is somewhat confusing. For clarification, I would recommend changing it to something a long the lines of "I am also nominating these pages for the same reason" -1ctinus📝🗨 17:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@1ctinus: Thanks!

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Weak delete: The one possibly reliable source I could find is this: [38], a scholarly article that uses the concept extensively. Additionally, I can find a Forbes Contributor article (which does not count for notability): [39], and an interview with the professor who coined the term: [40]. These are either unreliable or non-independent. If anyone could find one additional independent source, I would change my delete to a keep. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cult brand

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Some kinda essay or dictionary definition, not an encyclopedia article. I am also nominating these pages for the same reason: Icon brand & Symbol-intensive brand. Polygnotus (talk) 07:10, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as this article is mostly OR and its topic is a sub-category of Symbol-intensive brand, above. If that article is kept, I could support a partial merge of this article with that one. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 23:39, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kelman's source characteristics

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:N or have a good WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 15:22, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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See https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=kelman+compliance+identification+internalization. It seems like this concept is pretty notable in the communications literature, with Kelman's original paper having over 6,000 citations. However, that doesn't change that this article needs to be renamed and rewritten from scratch (in my opinion). Mathwriter2718 (talk) 12:12, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seneb-Neb-Af

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I can only find sources and content unduly taking about mastaba. ~~If there should be ATD, then redirect.~~ Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: mastaba is not an appropriate redirect target, as he is not mentioned there. It's clear that he's only notable as the person who was buried in his mastaba, though, so the AfD discussion here should centre on whether Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af is notable (we can rename the article after the AfD if so). -- asilvering (talk) 18:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks for that, Asilvering. I think we should redirect this article somewhere for now since Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af hasn't been created yet. Is there any target you can think of? I wouldn't support renaming because the article is a mess; lacks sources and sufficient context. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Mastaba is a generic term for a type of tomb. Redirecting there would make no sense. It could be mentioned at Dahshur#Tombs and cemeteries, though. XOR'easter (talk) 19:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like this target but how is it connected? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's where the tomb of Seneb-Neb-Af is. XOR'easter (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if having a tomb dedicated/made by/for someone establishes their notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your comment. We know it belongs to him; it's got his name on it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe, it's much better to respond to comments as a reply rather than rewriting your initial talk page comment. To reply to your new comment: XOR'easter is not making any kind of claim about Seneb-Neb-Af's notability. They're saying that the tomb could be mentioned in the article Dashur, since that's where the tomb is. -- asilvering (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh! Danke. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear on my stance, I think the tomb could be mentioned there, but that it's not so important or well-reported (at this point) to be worth doing so. -- asilvering (talk) 19:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Okay, having looked into this a bit more, I don't think we should redirect this at all, since this is a very new finding that has only just been reported on in popular press. We don't even have a site report yet as far as I can tell? I don't think a mention is due on Dashur, and I don't think anyone searching for this name will be well-served by a redirect, either. -- asilvering (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Red Ink Awards

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Non-notable award. References are all announcements of winners and the majority are unreliable, falling under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. A WP:BEFORE was unable to locate significant coverage that talks about the reward itself. CNMall41 (talk) 03:05, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but move: It looks like these should be written as "RedInk Awards". I don't see WP:NEWSORGINDIA really applying here: These are awarded by the Mumbai Press Club, so any reporting is unlikely to be paid. Coverage of almost any journalism award is going to be a little iffy on independence due to sources written by journalists with personal and organisational interests, memberships, and possibly voting participation (although these ones are juried). If the Mumbai Press Club had an article -- and I'm not sure it should -- I'd be happy with a merge to section. In the absence of that ATD, because there is post-event reporting in national sources and the awards presenters have included a Chief Justice of India, a State Governor, a State Chief Minister, and a federal Minister (indicating a particular level of repute)[41][42][43][44][45], and it's reasonable for the awards to [continue to] be listed at recipients' articles and this list article facilitates interlinking, I'm landing on retention (possibly slight WP:IAR). ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 13:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking for a good redirect as an WP:ATD but unfortunately one does not exists. "Press Trust of India" and "News Express Service" bylines fit the definition of NEWSORGINDIA 100% though. I am wondering which ones you feel do not fall under that criteria as I would be happy to go back and look (I may have missed something). I think it would be more of WP:ATA as opposed to WP:IAR. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sophia Moestrup

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Last AfD almost 7 years ago was no consensus. I don't think she meets WP:BIO or WP:PROF. LibStar (talk) 04:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 17:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I'll make some edits, and you'll see if it still should be deleted. Sophia 71.191.12.87 (talk) 15:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. My opinion from 7 years ago remains valid today: for someone whose most prominent activity is book editing, we'd need a lot more evidence for notability as a book editor such as heavily reviewed books with reviews discussing her role as editor rather than the scattering of reviews of co-edited volumes that I found ([46] [47] [48]). Nothing else stands out as likely to provide notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This person doesn't meet WP:NPROF and I agree with David Eppstein that there's not enough to substantiate notability as an editor. Qflib (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Willy Decker

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Questionable notability. I could find limited sources with a Google search to satisfy the inline citations template. Therefore probably fails WP:GNG. TrueCRaysball ^💬|✏️ 02:17, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Someone who directed a Henze opera world premiere and is listed in Who's Who? is notable. I have no time to look today but will next week unless this is closed by then. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Čarapić

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6 out of the 7 citations are for Google Books, and I see no inherent notability. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 04:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Courtesy ping to AfC accepter SafariScribe. Curbon7 (talk) 03:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Additionally, can the nominator please clarify their rationale. I do not see how having coverage in books is an indicator of non-notability, and is actually quite the contrary from reality as we want coverage from (among other places) books. Inherent notability is also not a thing. Curbon7 (talk) 03:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Curbon7, I still don't understand the nominator's rationale. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I had it in my watchlist but never saw a mention of me. "Inherent notability" is just notability but I put an "inherent" in front of it, probably a bad choice of words on my part. I just see no notability besides a few books, and that's why I AfD'd it. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 14:36, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The nominator should be willing to reply in this discussion, but on the other hand the article doesn't make me grasp what Marko Čarapić did. WP:NOTINHERITED is possibly being failed here. Geschichte (talk) 13:58, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I dont see anything wrong with the information provided. Yes, there should be more information but this article is fine as a stub. Боки ☎ ✎ 18:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 17:34, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yorktel

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Lack of notability established with WP:RS Amigao (talk) 03:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Which sources are unreliable? BarnyardWill (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Could someone please inform me as to why this is being flagged for deletion? The page is written from an neutral point of view BarnyardWill (talk) 17:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and WP:COMPANY. The only non-routine coverage is no. 8, but that newsletter article seems rather promotional and not really genuine. (The last sentence is "Contact a Yorktel Microsoft Specialist today at LearnMore@yorktel.com.") Clarityfiend (talk) 02:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P-GRADE Portal

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The article lacks of WP:GNG, since it is a project of cloud infrastructure in grid computing with little overall impact and very few available sources, mostly self-published sources of the authors of this project. It seems there are a few other project-related articles that are related to the Institute for Computer Science and Control (SZTAKI) of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences that seem to lack considerably WP:GNG as well. Recently, other related articles have been already deleted: [49] and [50]. The targetted articles, like this nomination, GUSE, and the deleted article of MTA SZTAKI Laboratory of Parallel and Distributed Systems, were all created by the same user many years ago. Chiserc (talk) 07:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lynn Davis (singer)

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Fails WP:GNG. A lot of this article relies on Discogs links, leading to a timeline of album appearances or background vocal appearances. The proclaimed singles "I Want You for Myself", "Indigo Waltz", and anything else mentioned does not list her as the singer or featured singer. Furthermore, this articles fails WP:SINGER. There is a dead "Billboard World Music" link which simply stated the release of her song "Can I Come Over" but it never charted. Everything else is unsourced and there are sources available to support the information in the article. Sackkid (talk) 04:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment 163 incoming links to the singer, usually in song lists saying "(featuring Lynn Davis)". I've listened to two such songs in youtube, and (at best) there are undicernable female background singers in it; no mention of her on the cover. If I had to guess, I'd say the singer's wiki presense largely exaggerates her actual influence. – sgeureka ^t•c 13:04, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well she has no chart entries in her own name. And everything else is just about her singing backup on who's who album or song. And there is nothing to support the claim that she is fluent in Italian or Japanese beyond any of the songs that she sang backup on, where of course singers are coached or rehearsed to do. Sackkid (talk) 23:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Catfurball (talk) 17:35, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. I can only find coverage in random obscure music blogs. C F A 💬 02:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Luigi video games

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This article seems to be highly OR in terms of what is considered a "Luigi video game." A quick BEFORE yields little to no results for an overarching series bar Luigi's Mansion, which seems to be notable as a separate series. However, every other entry just happens to be every time Luigi starred in a game, with no clear reasoning as to if it's meant to count as a "series" or not. (As no source I can find links together a Game & Watch Luigi game and Mario is Missing! to any of Luigi's later solo games, for example) The Luigi's Mansion series seems notable, but every other entry this list doesn't seem to have the citations needed to really verify that they're part of a series of video games, nor do they verify that these games are even notable as a group beyond starring Luigi in them. The current article feels very unneeded, given there's nothing claiming notability for this being a notable sub-category of games, and a grouping of video games that just so happen to star a notable character just doesn't hold water. Even if the article were to be focused on Luigi's Mansion, it would need a complete TNT. This list feels better off deleted, with a Luigi's Mansion series article being made if editors find that the subject can be made into a separate article, but the concept of "Luigi video games" just doesn't seem to hold weight as either a series or as a notable sub-collection of videogames. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I could definitely see this as a useful article. The reader (mainly gamers) would be able to tell which games are more focused on Luigi even if there is no leading "Luigi" title for game (ex. Mario Is Missing!). However I do think it should have been created after there were more than 15 installments, rather than 9. I feel like it leans more on the Luigi's Mansion series for notability. Sackkid (talk) 04:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are definitely a lot of my problems with the current list. There's very few entries, most are unrelated to each other bar a shared protagonist, and it leans heavily on the Luigi's Mansion series as it's the only really notable "series" there. If people want to see what games Luigi featured in, his navbox is still there (Even if that also needs work) or, at worst, this article could be lightly merged into Luigi's article, so that way those interested in seeing Luigi's starring games can find them there. (Not my preferred outcome, but definitely an idea if people feel it worthwhile). Outside of the Luigi connection, these games don't really hold much water as a group, and a guy starring in a set of games does not make that subcategory of games separately notable. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Are we really claiming the Luigi games aren't a spinoff? Seriously? Nintendo even did a Year of Luigi promo which is currently a Good Article. While it's not as large a sub-series as Mario, trying to deny it exists boggles the mind and we certainly aren't hard-up for hard drive space that would necessitate folding it into the Mario series. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I literally cannot find sources indicating it exists under one banner, and outside of Luigi's Mansion, the only separate game series I can find relating to Luigi is Mario & Luigi, which is a separate series and not entirely focused on Luigi. As it currently stands, the list is just a miscellaneous assortment of games starring Luigi with no verification of the series' own separate notability. Compare this to something like Wario (series) or List of Yoshi video games, which have multiple successful series that can be verified even with a quick Google search. You are right in saying that these games are spin-offs, but they aren't really tied together in a way that shows inherent notability bar happening to be associated with Luigi.

As a note, Year of Luigi doesn't really focus on the Luigi games as one series, with the games released under that year being variations of pre-existing games. Dr. Luigi is a spin-off of the Dr. Mario series, Mario & Luigi: Dream Team is a single entry of the wider Mario & Luigi series, and the various Luigi "remixes" are just variations of pre-existing games. There was a focus on games having Luigi in a starring role, but trying to say that immediately makes a random collection of games notable is like saying Shadow the Hedgehog has his own series because he's had big roles in several games and had a whole year dedicated to him as well. Luigi's Mansion is really the only one here that can be uniquely verified as part of a wider, notable branch of games. A list like this is the equivalent of attempting to make a "List of Pikachu games" and just lining it up with Pikachu's assortment of unrelated spin-off games that aren't branched under one umbrella (Games, for example, like Hey You, Pikachu! and Detective Pikachu (video game) focus on the character, but are not part of an umbrella franchise starring the character like characters like Yoshi and Wario are).

My problem with this list is not a matter of "trying to deny the Luigi games are spin-offs" or some bizarre thing like that, but rather that this list doesn't verify how the games featuring him are individually notable of the original Mario franchise, nor does it contain sourcing verifying the Luigi games as one major umbrella property like other notable Mario characters happen to have. This list is simply unverifiable. If you or anyone else can dig up sources noting these games are part of one whole umbrella, with notability and description inherently separate from the Year of Luigi or the Luigi character, then I'd be happy to withdraw since I just happened to miss stuff in my search. But right now as it stands, the list just lacks the things it needs to really meet guidelines and justify a split off any other article. I do hope this clears up my viewpoint a bit. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 05:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Leaning keep but I see where the nom is coming from. Luigi is too interlinked with Mario (being his sidequick) to really rise to stand-alone Wario (series) or List of Yoshi video games status, but he's also further along than Princess Peach and Toad (Mario) (who both have several games named after them but no sub-franchise article). It seems Nintendo keeps pushing for a new stand-alone franchise, even if it's currently mostly Mansion. Since Mansion doesn't have an overarching series article yet (but could have) and instead hatnote-links to this list, I'd rather keep this list and see where Nintendo takes it, until we can decide how to best present the information. – sgeureka ^t•c 07:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sidenote, how List of Wario video games is featured and how it is different from Wario (series) doesn't make sense to me. IgelRM (talk) 18:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is... bizarre. I didn't even know there were separate articles for both of these until now. There's a lot of content overlap there that should probably be merged, but that would require a heavy amount of editing and decision making to accomplish that's not within the scope of this AfD. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - While I can see an argument for there not really being a Luigi series, maybe there's an argument to be made about repurposing it into a Luigi's Mansion series article instead, which is more of a concrete, actual series? Just a thought, currently undecided on what to do personally. Sergecross73 msg me 15:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I do agree that something like this might have potential (specifically the potential for a Luigi's Mansion series page), but I'm also agreeing with Pokelego's stance on how to handle this. It's hard to tell what exactly a "Luigi video game" is, and this list has nothing worth saving even in the event a Luigi's Mansion series article, or something on the lines of that, is created. λ NegativeMP1 16:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Luigi's game appearance are covered on Luigi#Appearances and I think the article is below WP standards as is. But considering the Mario franchise has similar lists like List of video games featuring Mario, I don't think the scope of this AfD can resolve anything. IgelRM (talk) 18:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That list very much feels like it fails Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE given it's covering every time a video game happens to feature Mario, one of the most iconic characters of all time who is so frequently referenced and parodied that a list like this seems very useless in terms of use. It feels like it'd be better off rebranded to being a list of Mario franchise videogames, but that feels like a separate discussion that would take place outside of the scope of this AfD. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Luigi#Appearances. Agreed with the nom that there isn't a "Luigi series" and that this list presents original research issues in implying such a series exists apart from appearances of the character. The alternative to deletion is to redirect to the existing section on Luigi appearances, which is what a reader looking for this topic would be least astonished to arrive. czar 02:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It falls under WP:COMMONSENSE given that all the games both have Luigi in the title and star him as a main character. Original research is going out and confirming something that isn't obvious. We shouldn't be spending time debating whether grass is green or 1+1=2. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If these can't be verified as unified group, then it's just a collection of every game Luigi's happened to star in with no other real connecting thread. Yes, we can verify these games happen to star Luigi, but that's not really the point of this. The point is that this list simply is not verifiable as defining what a "Luigi video game" is, nor is it able to show why this subset of games is notable beyond happening to focus on Luigi. The collection of games themselves are not unified by a connecting thread like other Mario series articles, such as Yoshi or Wario, and no sources verify if they can be. This list simply does not meet Wikipedia's standards. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 16:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. If there is no "Luigi series" and this is a list of games featuring Luigi, then we should view it as a summary style split from Luigi#Appearances. I don't think the sourcing warrants the split. czar 18:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think it is definitely notable even it does lean on the Mansion series. But overall, it is definitely helpful to readers including myself. Sackkid (talk) 23:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Split out Luigi's Mansion series, then delete - it seems to be the only notable series involved here. (Oinkers42) (talk) 13:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nandini Balial

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Complete lack of notability slygent (talk) 04:06, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There still does not seem to be any notabilty. Odd closure of the first AfD. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:19, 9 August 2024 (UTC),[reply]
Delete - so some published articles in notable publications, but no sources talking about her as a subject. There is one brief mention of one of her articles in one book. I don't see how the threshold for WP:GNG would be passed here. --Soman (talk) 11:16, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We have the usual problem with articles about journalists, that it is difficult to find sources about her because they are masked by so many other articles that are by her rather than about her. But it is the sources about her that we need to have an article here, our current article doesn't supply any, and I didn't find any. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaveri–Vaigai Link Canal

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete as clear case of WP:CRYSTAL. We don't make articles on projects that are merely "envisioned". Mangoe (talk) 13:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic

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Basically a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of Gaza humanitarian crisis.

More importantly, off all the given sources, only a single one (The National) uses the term "epidemic" in its own voice, with 2 more quoting the Gaza Health Ministry's declaration of an epidemic. RS hasn't been using the term epidemic (probably because as of now there haven't been any confirmed cases yet. There are strong fears of a coming epidemic, and polio has been found in the sewage, but thankfully no infections). At the very least the article needs to be considerably shortened, and name changed to "Polio discoveries" or something. Violates Crystal Ball. It's also not being (significantly) covered by RS on its own, but rather as part of the broader crisis. Hydromania (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - Wouldn't be opposed to recreating the article later if more sources begin to call the Polio issue an epidemic, but a redirect would suffice for right now. Jdcomix (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Redirecting the current title if the term "epidemic" is not being used by multiple reliable sources would violate WP:NDESC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. My first impression is that we should probably redirect. Now to read with care... Yeah, merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The result was Withdrawn‎. Sources presented (non-admin closure) PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nya Doxa

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Swedish book publisher, zero sources I could find. As with all book publishers, finding sources is very annoying as you get swamped with the books they write, so there could be something, but if there was I could not find it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There's a 1400 words long article about Nya Doxa in Svenska Dagbladet from 1997 and an 1100 words long article in Nerikes Allehanda from 2003, as well as additional shorter articles, like a 470 words long piece from 2002. I've added sourcing to the article. /Julle (talk) 08:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me - tried to find stuff like that myself, but could not. I will withdraw this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per Julle’s rationale. Clear case of WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhu Yudong

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I can’t see any in depth coverage in RIS to indicate that this subject is notable. There may be sources in Chinese I didn’t manage to turn up - if not this article should go. Mccapra (talk) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I have been finding Chinese language sources for this subject, who seems to be a pretty famous director. I haven't yet found any RS that demonstrate individual notability, but I'll look again later today and report my findings or not findings as applicable. Our article is longer than his Baidu page, which seems kinda sus. Folly Mox (talk) 11:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are some sources I found:
1. Wang, Xiaoye 王小野 (2021-02-18). ""数字文创展——来自四维空间的线圈世界"展览开幕：用科技与艺术传递光与爱" ["Digital Cultural and Creative Exhibition - Coil World from Four-Dimensional Space" Exhibition Opens: Delivering Light and Love with Technology and Art]. china.com [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "中央新影集团著名导演朱昱东". From Google Translate: "Zhu Yudong, a famous director from China Film Group"
2. "电影《海霞》要拍续集了" [The movie "Haixia" is going to have a sequel]. Wenzhou Business Daily [zh] (in Chinese). 2012-08-30. p. 文娱 14.
  The article notes: "月中旬到10月初开拍。执导此部电影的总导演为中央电视台副台长、中央新影集团总裁高峰。导演为中央电视台科教节目制作中心导演朱昱东，他的电影剧本《达西的季节》、《他们》曾分别获得国家广播电影电视总局夏衍杯剧本奖、中国台湾“行政院新闻局”优良剧本征选大"
  From Google Translate: "...Filming will start from mid-October to early October. The chief director of this movie is Gao Feng, deputy director of CCTV and president of China Film Group. The director is Zhu Yudong, director of CCTV's Science and Education Program Production Center. His movie scripts "Darcy's Season" and "They" have won the Xia Yan Cup Script Award of the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television and the Excellent Script Selection Competition of the "Executive Yuan News Bureau" of Taiwan, China..."
Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Chinese Wikipedia article was deleted in December 2010 after a sparsely attended discussion at zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2021/12/04#朱昱东. The sources I found suggest Zhu Yudong is notable but are not by themselves enough for him to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline or Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. If more sources cannot be found, I would recommend delete. I hope more sources can be found. Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for looking into this. Mccapra (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Otago

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Can't find any sources that talk about this flag. The current sources are a passing mention related to the designer's opinion on something else, and flags of the world which is a deprectated source. couldn't find any books, news articles, even on the council website wasn't anything. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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clarifying im not saying this flag is inaccurate just saying its not notable enough to have its own article TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Very odd that it's not on the council website - it is the official flag and is flown outside their headquarters. Also not quite sure why FOTW is a deprecated source - it's still active and currently undergoing a major upgrade. I'll look for more sources. Grutness...wha? 01:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FOTW ->Flags of the World has been written off as an unreliable source in general. Although some of its pages might refer to reliable sources, it is self-published content without editorial oversight, and the hosts "disclaim any responsibility about the veracity and accuracy of the contents of the website." TheLoyalOrder (talk) 01:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 00:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not understanding what the problem is. Otago is a region of the South Islands, and the region has a flag, and Wikipedians have written an article about that flag. Wikipedia's flag collection includes many articles on regional territorial flags. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the flag doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability to have its own article, there are literally no sources that I could find TheLoyalOrder (talk) 05:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, it looks like most if not all the sources are print only :/ They do exist, though. And while I hesitate to use OTHERSTUFF as an argument, I'd agree that if other regional authorities' official flags are notable enough for articles, it seems like a double-standard to have this one face deletion. Grutness...wha? 12:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]