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The result was speedy delete under criterion A7. —C.Fred (talk) 23:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hamoussin fouad[edit]

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Non-notable person. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. There is no consensus to delete the article. There is significant coverage from third-party sources and the attack has been repeatedly referenced by important figures long after the fact--establishing notability. Several commentators here have pointed out that a redirect is clumsy. Consensus as I read it is to keep the article. Malinaccier (talk) 21:19, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Hurghada attack[edit]

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Another WP:NOTNEWS incident that received a few days of coverage and faded away with no indications of societal impact. Fails WP:GEOSCOPE and falls under WP:ROUTINE media attention as well. Please do not confuse coverage with the 2017 Hurghada attack or passing mentions of this unnotable incident in reports about the 2017 attack as "continued coverage". I would also support a merge to a list like...I don't know this. Gregory has supplied a better redirect option: Terrorism in Egypt.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:57, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • PS - If anyone wants to claim this has WP:DIVERSE coverage -- please actually read the part where it says sources shouldn't just mirror each other. I also recommend WP:PRIMARYNEWS which does not consider news reports as secondary sources since they do not have in-depth analysis of the event. I have covered all the bases here; editors I urge you all to do the same. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 23:33, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Slick, Note that "mirror" does not apply to reported stories, such as those the 2017 stories in CNN, the NYTimes, that have the byline of a journalist; these are reported stories. "mirror" applies to wire service stories that are picked up by multiple newspapers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:00, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Oi, I knew you would falsely claim it is "back in the news cycle" because of the latest, completely unrelated attack. I appreciate how you are insinuating I do not have the expertise to improve a "plausible article". Only problem is this isn't a "plausible article" and I made sure of that. I checked the sourcing available, asked the opinion of another editor, reviewed the souring again, and read the related policies before making this decision.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:15, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And, just to make it clear, do you actually consider AfDing a news-type article that has been in mainspace for over a year as "rushing"? Honestly?TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Er... I had seen that this attack was in the papers again recently, because I stumbled upon the 2017 Hurghada attack while scanning the news; stories about the 2017 attack referenced this attack. I took material I found while building a basic article on the 2017 Hurghada attack and used it to make a very small improvement to Tourism in Egypt, an ADVERT badly in need of editing. I far prefer to spend my limited editing time on that sort of useful contribution to the project. Somewhere along the way I saw Terrorism in Egypt, (which is a potential redirect target.) My goal here is WP:PRESERVE.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well that is a non sequitur. If Trump is right then there is a lack of coverage; if he is wrong, you need sources beyond a regular news cycle to show otherwise. I've also seen this list used as a part of several failed rationales because, as you describe it, it is a list of 78 attacks briefly mentioning this one incident.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 21:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whoa, that is a total misrepresentation of the sources. Here is what the sources actually are: 1) a brief news cycle 2) A Trump list that passively mentions the attack 3) A completely separate attack that occurred a year, receiving coverage which briefly mentions the existence of the earlier attack. No in-depth coverage and no post-analysis. I'm all for preserving notable information but I'm against deceiving editors by falsely claiming there has been continued coverage.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 00:28, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here is Al Jazeera's mention of the 2016 attack in the 2017 attack article "A similar attack took place in Hurghada in January 2016 when two attackers armed with a gun, a knife and a suicide belt landed on the beach of a hotel, wounding two foreign tourists, according to security sources." [2].E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:20, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whoa, a whole sentence stating the existence of the 2016 attack happening in the same location? Try reading WP:INDEPTH, particularly this: "The general guideline is that coverage must be significant and not in passing". That article is focused on the 2017 incident. You know what a passing mention is and why it does not count toward significant coverage; I shouldn't have to explain this to you.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 01:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note, of course, that notability under WP:NCRIME, " "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded", has already been established by coverage at the time of the attack that meets WP:GEOSCOPE, WP:INDEPTH, and WP:DIVERSE. This little sub-discussion is about whether WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE, and WP:LASTING have also been met. But Note that all 5 of these indici of notability be met, let alone that each of them be met to the satisfaction of any individual editor or group of editors.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • You do realize that every single crime that occurs in a country with at least a marginal court system will have a trial, right? The fact that news agencies are simply doing their job mentioning the outcome is not significant, it's routine.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:19, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again. This is more than a "crime". It's a terrorist attack. What I think, editor E.M.Gregory is pointing out here is that he's trying to improve the article. What is the difference between the church bombing news articles and these articles on terrorist knife attacks? Why delete this one but not those? the eloquent peasant (talk) 18:57, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also this does have lasting societal impact - on Egyptian society, and Tourism in Egypt and tourists who had considered going to Egypt. http://af.reuters.com/article/africaTech/idAFKBN1AC16J-OZATP the eloquent peasant (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • LevelC this is truly one of the better votes I have seen in awhile, even from editors who come to these discussions regularly. I can assure you the Sunday Church bombing would never be considered for deletion, nor anything similar. All of the essential information from this 2016 incident would be merged to terrorism in Egypt so nothing important is actually being lost. Wouldn't you agree Wikipedia is not a news agency and should focus on notability? By the way, the source you provided is about the 2017 incident.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:19, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • In fact, the eloquent peasant did read the 2017 Reuters source he provided. 1/5 of this source is about the 2016 attack. It reads: "The incident was the first significant attack on foreign visitors since a similar assault on the same resort more than a year ago, and came as Egypt struggles to revive a tourism industry hurt by security threats and years of political upheaval."E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:44, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oi, WP:BLUDGEON, bludgeon, bludgeon. But thank you for literally asserting the fact it was referring to the mainly to the 2017 incident. That brief paragraph does not connect the struggles to revive tourism directly to the 2016 attack at all; it simply mentions that another attack in the same location occurred a year ago.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:55, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@TheGracefulSlick: This news article from The Independent does connect the 2016 Knife Attack to the "struggles to revive tourism". Regards, the eloquent peasant (talk) 02:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
the eloquent peasant a brief mention in an article does not constitute as significant post-analysis nor does it weigh how much this incident affected tourism. It merely notes it was tragic but tragedy does not equal notability on Wikipedia. Notice how the writer called the plane crash "high-profile"? That is the kind of article that deserves a standalone page. That incident is covered significantly for its impact -- not just bundled like in the Independent article you found; this 2016 attack has not been. Exactly why it needs to be redirected to terror in Egypt. Unfortunately, it appears XavierItzm's inaccurate and policy-less vote swayed you away from your previous, more thoughtful, decision.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:08, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please forgive my stupidity but what does Oi, bludgeon, bludgeon mean (because you're both doing it)? There are a lot of news articles that talk about how terrorism affects tourism in Egypt. So whatever, the problem is - it's that Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Ok. I agree with that. But how do we decide an Event has societal impact... We'd need some time to see // and data analysis to see how this event affected Tourism in Egypt? Keep do not redirect. Have a nice day everyone. Good-bye. I'm hungry. It's supa time. (note to self- so that's what it's like 'participating in a discussion!) the eloquent peasant (talk) 19:03, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@TheGracefulSlick: -- The graceful slick, the eloquent peasant -?? Did you notice the similarities? hm? Thanks for the compliment, before. I think there's no right or wrong answer here. I'm pondering this "events that have a demonstrable long-term impact on a significant region of the world or a significant widespread societal group are presumed to be notable enough for an article". Maybe it wasn't this knife attack that had (or will have) a demonstrable long-term effect on Egyptian Tourism. Maybe it was the revolution. 90 million people + 1 million more every six months- that's a big group of people. But that 1 event? Wikipedia is not a newspaper! I worked at a newspaper. Oh. No wonder I don't get involved in discussions. It's difficult. the eloquent peasant (talk) 19:51, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Due to this and other attacks, 2016 was a "tough year" for the tourism industry in Egypt.[14]"
This is already covered within the larger article Terrorism_in_Egypt#Red_Sea_resort_attacks. Insufficient lasting societal impact as a stand-alone article. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ridiculous puffery: Guys, we have WP:RS (already included on the entry) citing this attack as one of the reasons why tourists in Egypt went from 15 million to 5 million. The quoted source actually says: Before the 2011 uprising, nearly 15 million tourists visited Egypt a year. In 2016, the number totalled just 5.3 million, according to chairman of Egypt's Tourism Authority, Hicham al-Demairi.

The sentence in the article is blatant WP:OR as well: the Independent article does not say that 2016 was a "tough year" because of this attack. Indeed, the news article says: Although the country has been troubled, most of the popular tourist spots have remained largely undisturbed and are not listed as off-limits by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO). Indeed, the same newspaper actually published an article (linked in the source listed) in August 2016 by their travel correspondent, actually recommending Hurghada.

Please do not puff up the importance of the terrorist attack. If the attack was important, one can defend it at AfD without making up stuff. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 02:09, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The "Independent" article says " In January 2016 a knife attack at the Bella Vista hotel in Hurghada injured three foreign visitors. Just this Easter, two bombs went off on Palm Sunday, killing 45 Coptic Christians. Incidents like these are both tragic on an individual and community level, and devastating on a national one,..." Egypt, which is a country that depends on tourism saw tourism nosedive during the revolution. Once the country's government began to stabilize and tourism began picking up, terrorists began targeting tourism sites. (and it didn't stop and it continues and I think it's very important. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/06/11/world/middleeast/10egyptattacks_listy.htmlthe eloquent peasant (talk) 02:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • E.M. Gregory if you are going to continue to WP:BLUDGEON numerous AfDs, I will report you to ANI. Seriously, this is ridiculous and it disrupts any attempt of having a fruitful discussion. A "campaign" to shift the usual outcome? If the usual outcome neglects policy like you do, than I'd happily be a part of that change.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:25, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I know (sigh). I always do that and I know I'm not supposed to. I've been doing it for years on internet sites. I won't do it anymore. Peace the eloquent peasant (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:16, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Terry Tarnoff[edit]

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Very short, unsourced BLP with the only claim to significance being one book. Also the article was created by someone called Tina tarnoff who I think is almost certainly closely related to the person in question. BangJan1999 22:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 07:27, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

David Wallis[edit]

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Sheer puffery, fails WP:BIO. Appears self-created. Coretheapple (talk) 22:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The subject does not satisfy Wikipedia's general guideline for notability. Consensus is to delete. Malinaccier (talk) 22:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cynthia Cotts[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO. Frankly this should be speedied but it's been around for a while. Coretheapple (talk) 22:17, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Salting I'll leave to the folks at the SPI Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jai Prakash (singer)[edit]

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WP:BLP of a musician and film director, which makes no actual claim of notability that would pass our inclusion standards for either musicians or film directors -- as written, this just states that he exists and sources the fact only to IMDb, another IMDb-like directory of films and discogs.com. None of these are reliable or notability-conferring sources, but there's no evidence of reliable source coverage about him in media being shown at all. In reality, I would ordinarily have speedied this — it's that bad — but this is the third recreation after it's already been speedied twice before, so escalating it to AFD was necessary and I think so's a dose of WP:SALT. Bearcat (talk) 21:31, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, it's not identical in form to any of those, but then again they're not identical in form to each other either. The substance of the article is the same, however — it's still claiming primary sourced "notability just because he exists", rather than actually making a firm or reliably sourced notability claim — so I'd go ahead with listing the creator for sockcheck. Bearcat (talk) 15:40, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the check, I just found they also tried to hijack Jai Prakash too. GSS (talk|c|em) 16:05, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Since I note that you haven't done so yet, I've gone ahead and listed the creator (and the two SPA usernames involved in the prior speedies here) for sockcheck. Bearcat (talk) 17:35, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect, actually I was looking into another SPI and was busy in comparing similarities and differences. Thank you for saving my time. GSS (talk|c|em) 18:03, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The subject has not been the subject of significant third-party coverage. The most significant third-party source in the article (Huffington Post) can no longer be found. The other sources are not reliable in general. Consensus is to delete with no prejudice to be recreated if this artist receives attention later. Malinaccier (talk) 22:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Kukunis[edit]

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WP:BLP of a musician, whose only stated claim of notability is having a hit on iTunes and Spotify. This does not constitute an WP:NMUSIC pass in and of itself -- a song has to hit the Billboard charts to be a "hit" for the purposes of NMUSIC, not the iTunes or Spotify charts -- but the only other claim here is that a publication called him an "artist to watch", and while there are a couple of acceptable reliable sources here most of the references are either unreliable or blurby. No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when somebody can write more than three sentences about him and source them better than this, but right now it's WP:TOOSOON. Bearcat (talk) 21:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:55, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delta Iota Kappa[edit]

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Local Fraternity, no references and no claim of notability. Naraht (talk) 21:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:13, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kenneth G. Bostock[edit]

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WP:BLP of a writer and artist, which makes no claim to passing our notability standards for writers or artists, and cites no reliable source coverage about him in media to support anything. After stating that he exists, it just bulletpoints two résumé sections listing his work, while not providing actual notability claims for any of it, and the referencing consists of three primary sources and a blog entry. No prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can show stronger evidence of notability and better sourcing for it, but nothing in this version as written is enough. Bearcat (talk) 20:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jared Odenbeck[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:46, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. As noted, notability is not contingent on the sources being in English Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jeong You Jeong[edit]

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I didn't find any reliable English sources. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 05:42, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delhi Dynamite[edit]

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After conducting a WP:BEFORE search, I can find no sourcing in independent, reliable sourcing for this team. All the content out there appears to be promotional, and it doesn't appear that professional online chess has reached the level where such teams gain significant coverage. This seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON TonyBallioni (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Kiernan[edit]

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Not notable priest. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:49, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 07:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Hennigan[edit]

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WP:TOOSOON. Only notable role was as Gol D. Roger who is a flashback and not really active character in One Piece. Other roles in which he has lead parts are on shows that haven't appeared on any major television channels, only direct-to-video and Funimation broadcast dubs. No secondary sources besides cast announcements. No notable appearances at anime conventions. [5] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:36, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Those help in supporting that he has had bit and guest roles in major television shows, but doesn't show he has had significant roles in significant productions. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:17, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jakob Nybo[edit]

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Advertorially toned WP:BLP of a person with no clear notability claim per WP:NPOL; as near as I can suss from how badly the article is written, he's been a political organizer and an as yet non-winning candidate in a future city council election, but has held no political office. The sourcing isn't getting him over WP:GNG for anything, either -- there are two primary sources, two YouTube videos, one source which tangentially verifies the existence of a company named in the article but fails to contain Nybo's name in conjunction with it, and one source which namechecks Nybo in the context of being a local football coach rather than in the context of anything political. There's also a probable conflict of interest here, as the subject edited the article himself just 16 minutes after it was created (and how else could he have known it was here that quickly, but for the article being created by a friend or associate of his?) There's simply nothing here, neither in the substance nor the sourcing, that counts as notability for Wikipedia purposes. Bearcat (talk) 03:42, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to South Vermillion High School. (non-admin closure) - TheMagnificentist 12:06, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

South Vermillion Wildcat football[edit]

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Not notable high school football program. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Its roots date back to 1916 and the founding of indiana highschool football

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The result was redirect to Russian roulette#Notable incidents. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:15, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deaths by Russian roulette[edit]

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Challenged Blank and redirect. List content is almost all non-notable, and there is no clear criteria for inclusion. It also mirrors Russian roulette#Notable incidents. Mdann52 (talk) 19:47, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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A Train You make a good comparison with pokemon and I had that in mind also. I am not sure if you are aware of Wikipedia:Pokémon test but I think that applies here. There are 700+ pokemon and Wikipedia lists them all in various articles at List of Pokémon. Discussion around pokemon established the idea that Wikipedia can feature lists of items which individually are non-notable. I do not think that these individual deaths should have their own articles, but putting all deaths in one list article aside from the main article seems fine to me. Consider for comparison List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States. Those also get managed based on the Pokemon precedent. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Bluerasberry, I do indeed remember the great debate around Pokemon articles -- I was one of the editors arguing against individual articles for them back in the day. I would argue that there's a fundamental difference here between police shootings and Russian roulette deaths. Police shootings are in themselves an important social phenomenon and a lot of ink is spilled discussing them -- which makes for an encyclopedic topic. Russian roulette deaths are a (ghoulish) curiousity, and fairly rare at that. If we could find some articles that talk about the social impact of Russian roulette deaths (as we could about police shootings and Pokemon), then I'd change my tune. A Traintalk 18:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A Train I think that is a fair counterpoint and will say that I am not sure how important Russian roulette deaths are to log. Police shootings are more important. Russian roulette at least is a notable topic, so it merits an article more than some method which is not notable. I can agree that having sociological papers would contribute to establishing notability and that we do not have those. So far as I know this concept is more of a plot device in fiction than anything else. I still say "keep" but you have good points which prevent me from being totally convinced that my position is correct. I think that deletion is justifiable. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:59, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciated the thought-provoking discussion, Bluerasberry. Cheers, A Traintalk 19:12, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: If we do end up keeping this article, could I suggest moving it to List of deaths by Russian roulette? A Traintalk 20:58, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. SoWhy 07:37, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zabt Shuda Nazmein[edit]

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Not notable self made topic. Fails WP:GNG. Greenbörg (talk) 18:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. All uninvolved editors supported deleting the article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tamarack, An Institute for Community Engagement[edit]

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I am not sure that this meets WP:GNG. Everything I find by Googling does not appear to be independent sources. Only one such source was provided and its title suggests that it is not on the organization itself. Jasper Deng (talk) 17:55, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We would like to have our Wikipedia page up and running. What steps do you recommend we take in order to ensure our account doesn't get deleted? Connor - 9:50, 25 July 2017

@Connortamarack: The answer is, not much. Firstly, I notice you write with "we" and "our". Wikipedia accounts are required to be used by individuals on behalf of themselves, not groups. Secondly, your account will never be deleted; only the article is being considered for deletion. Thirdly, having a Wikipedia article is not necessarily a good thing. See WP:FAQ/Organizations for more information.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:21, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I believe this wikipedia page does not do justice to the Tamarack Institute. The Tamarack Institute won a UN award for their work in 2014. [1][2]. Yes it is true that the news articles that are related to this award are no longer on site. An issue with a organization in a small media market. It is also a core contributor to the CENTRE FOR PEACE ADVANCEMENT at the University of Waterloo [3]. It is apart of the centre along with christian peacemaker teams .

Tamarack has created a "Vibrant Communities: Cities Reducing Poverty" network of more than 100 municipalities across Canada working to reduce poverty for over a million individuals. Here is a list of some of the members

Tamarack also has Engage! which is an award winning e-magazine [4]

Tamarack is also working to create stronger communities including places like Grey county and bruce county, which are referred to as Grey Bruce as many of their programs are in both counties, and delburne [5].

- It is an important Non Governmental Organization in the Kitchener Waterloo Region and in Social Planning across Canada. The question was asked how to make the page last, or removed from deletion. Sure the question could have been worded differently, but there should be an education process rather than just stating it is advertising. There are many aspects to this organization that are not on the wiki page.

References

  1. ^ https://pluralplus.unaoc.org/2014-winners/deepening-communit
  2. ^ http://deepeningcommunity.ca/blogs/community-animator/youth-win-un-award-deepening-community-music-video
  3. ^ https://uwaterloo.ca/centre-peace-advancement/core-collaborators
  4. ^ https://books.google.ca/books?id=VyO1DQAAQBAJ&pg=PR15&lpg=PR15&dq=record+tamarack+institute&source=bl&ots=Mc8SoiLaL1&sig=5XallRptT8h7VcBLzVflqVadIxI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-9sSzpqrVAhVLMz4KHW-7BBMQ6AEIWjAJ#v=onepage&q=record%20tamarack%20institute&f=false
  5. ^ http://deepeningcommunity.ca/conversations

There is actually a lot that could be done to make this wikipedia page represent what work they are doing. Just cause the original wikipedia page writer is not up on how to make a good wiki page does not mean that it should be deleted @Jasper Deng:

I realized that I had to log in for my input to matter more. I do realize that you need independent and significant. So I have found some additional sources that are hopefully up to your standards

Since 2002, the Tamarack Institute has been guiding Canada’s approach to fighting poverty through the Vibrant Communities initiative in a dozen Canadian cities. The Tamarack Institute refers to their strategic action frameworks as “frameworksfor-change,” and cogently describes their value as follows: “A strong framework for change, based on strong research and input from local players, shapes the strategic thinking of the group, helps them make tough choices about where to spend their time and energy, and guides their efforts at monitoring and evaluating their work. Ask anyone involved in the effort about where they are going and their road map for getting there, and they will tell you. [1] That quote is from a paper Channeling Change:called Making Collective Impact Work By Fay Hanleybrown, John Kania, & Mark Kramer published by Stanford University.

Biosphere Reserves in Canada: Exploring ideals and experience [2] by Sally Lerner is a retired Associate Professor who at the time held an Adjunct position in the Department of Environment and Resource Studies at the University of Waterloo. Printed in ENVIRONMENTS a journal of interdisciplinary studies connected to the University of Toronto. The article discusses how the best practices developed by Tamarack can be adapted into use for building and protecting Biosphere Reserves. The discussion is on page 92-93

An Article written for the Horizon Policy Research Institute[3] Comprehensive Community Initiatives: Promising Directions for “Wicked” Problems? by Bob Gardner uses the research and work that the Tamarack Institute does to find solutions to social problems. "In May 2010, Tamarack - An Institute for Community Engagement and the J.W. McConnell family Foundation jointly sponsored a Strategic Dialogue to consider these kinds of questions, in relation to their Vibrant Communities and other comprehensive collaborative community initiatives directed towards poverty reduction. This article is based upon background research commissioned for this conference.1" [4]

There was a international study on 'knowledge to action' (KTA) done in relation to chronic diseases and public health. In their student of global work in KTA they focused on the work of the Tamarack Institute and Vibrant Communities Initiative. See: Health Promot Chronic Dis Prev Can. 2015 May; 35(3): 47–53.[5]

Here are additional news articles about their work CBC Article about their work with homelessness in the Kitchener Waterloo Area[6] Rockford_Register_Star About their work in Rockford to create meaning full changes in Rockford, by the newspaper's editorial board [7] Two stories about their work in The_Hamilton_Spectator , one where Maple Leaf Foods CEO is presenting at their conference [8] 

Another where the mayor of Hamilton is inviting Tamarack to hold their conference in Hamilton because of what was inspired from previous years [9].

Story about their work in Prince George [10]. Another story about poverty reduction projects in Sault_Ste._Marie,_Ontario [11]

True I did use a lot of 'inside' sources the last time. I hope that these sources are reliable, independent, and significant enough

"least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." - there is a sources from the US Government and Canadian Government sponsored research. The universities of Stanford University, University of Waterloo, and University of Toronto. News Articles about their work in Illinois, Hamilton, Kitchener/Waterloo and Sault Ste Marie in Ontario, Prince George in British Columbia.

I believe the issue started when one person noticed the wiki page could be improved but did not know what steps to take. Sorry forgot to sign it. Abutisechaba (talk) 15:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://hackathon.dmcbeam.org/human-potentials/care/calendar-folder/2014-january-25-care-meeting-folder/keynotechange.pdf
  2. ^ http://jps.library.utoronto.ca/index.php/ejis/article/view/14517/11544
  3. ^ http://www.horizons.gc.ca/eng
  4. ^ http://www.comprehensivecommunityplanning.org/uploads/8/2/0/5/8205408/promising_directions_for_wicked_problems.pdf
  5. ^ http://europepmc.org/articles/pmc4910433
  6. ^ http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/homelessness-upside-down-rethink-required-says-mark-holmgren-1.3628834
  7. ^ http://www.rrstar.com/opinion/20170719/our-view-hitching-our-horses-to-same-wagon-to-become-top-25-city
  8. ^ https://www.thespec.com/news-story/7220084-the-role-of-business-in-poverty-reduction/
  9. ^ https://www.thespec.com/news-story/7089446-poverty-reduction-summit-to-be-held-in-hamilton/
  10. ^ http://www.myprincegeorgenow.com/31662/city-prince-george-hosts-tamarack-institute-workshop-collective-impact/
  11. ^ http://www.saultstar.com/2016/08/29/local-group-continues-poverty-reduction-task
Unfortunately, this is still insufficient. The first two articles (the PDF's) are not more than passing mention, and do not count as "significant". Only two of the articles you linked are on the institute itself and overall this does not qualify as "significant".--Jasper Deng (talk) 20:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:41, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CYN (singer)[edit]

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WP:BLP of a musician, who has no strong claim to notability per WP:NMUSIC and lacks adequate reliable source support. Getting signed to a label is not an automatic NMUSIC pass in and of itself — being signed to a label counts toward notability under NMUSIC #5, in which two full albums have to be released on the label, but so far all she's got is one single that just came out ten days ago and thus can't be sourced as meeting NMUSIC #2 yet either. One of the two footnotes, further, is her own self-published website, which is not support for notability -- and while the other reference is an article that's surprisingly longer and more detailed than I was expecting, and thus counts for something, it doesn't count for enough by itself as we require multiple reliable sources to pass NMUSIC #1. No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when she has a stronger claim of notability and better sourcing for it, but right now it's WP:TOOSOON. Bearcat (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't delete CYN! She's an up and coming artist whose debut EP is expected before the end of this year. She has multiple stories published of her, including in Billboard twice, once here and another here, The Fader and The Chicago Tribune. I think she deserves to remain on Wiki as more and more people will be seeking information on her and her debut single, Together, which is already making gains in popularity. Update: I have filled in more information on CYN's page. There are now 4 published sources referenced in her article.

Wikipedia is not a free publicity platform on which someone gets an article for being an "up and coming artist whose debut EP is expected before the end of this year" — we're an encyclopedia, on which somebody gets an article for having already released two full albums, having already had a Top 40 hit, or some other marker which suggests that they've already arrived. Making it big comes first and then the Wikipedia article follows, not vice versa. Bearcat (talk) 15:15, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't about publicity, I'm not this girl's publicist - and don't misuse my quote, I was explaining to you that she is relevant. In any case, before it was about sources, and now it's about your marker of whether or not a pop singer has "arrived". Billboard, the music industry standard, has recognized CYN twice, in two different articles by two different writers. And I would argue that having one of the world's biggest pop stars recognize her talent, sign her to their label, and promote her song is a marker that she has arrived. Besides, her name is on other articles, so why wouldn't you want to make Wikipedia more cohesive and have her name be linked to an actual page? CYN should to stay.

Having a little bit of media coverage doesn't assist notability all by itself, if it doesn't support that she's accomplished anything that constitutes a pass of a notability criterion. A musician needs to satisfy both conditions, not just one or the other, to qualify for an article on here — if you're aiming for "she's notable just because media coverage exists", then she needs quite a lot more media coverage than just a couple of articles, because many musicians who've accomplished nothing that passes a notability criterion could still show two or three pieces of media coverage from somewhere.
And no, merely signing to a label — regardless of whether that label is owned by a major pop star or not — is not an NMUSIC criterion in and of itself: as I already noted, being signed to a label isn't a notability claim in and of itself until there are two full albums out on the market. It's still possible for a musician to get an article with less than two albums if she passes another NMUSIC criterion instead, but she still has to actually pass an NMUSIC criterion and is not exempted from that just because the article has a couple of sources in it that are covering her only in the context of "emerging up and comer that we just saw a press release about" rather than "person who has had a hit single" or "person who has released albums". Bearcat (talk) 15:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. The nominator failed to advance an argument for deletion and no one other than the nominator recommends that the page be deleted. (non-admin closure) — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie Leigh Jones[edit]

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I am creating this AfD on behalf of Truthwillsetyoufree123, who appears to be the subject of this article that is also requesting some properly sourced information be removed.

"Please delete page unless you will add in the unbiased information as added on the talk page. Also, the portion on Victor Scarano is not something that can be used on this wikipedia. Please see evidence on talk page. Furthermore, the EEOC did not say what the page says that it determined. The determination letter was also posted.
Please revert changes to reflect accuracy as represented by myself or delete immediately." jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) (for Truthwillsetyoufree123) 17:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The article is a biography of a living person, and the material is potentially harmful; The neutrality of the material is in question; One or more external links are in question; It is all based on nepotism on behalf of KBR Articles are misquoted to favor KBR It is highly biased against Jamie Leigh Jones — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthwillsetyoufree123 (talk • contribs) — Truthwillsetyoufree123 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 21:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dentacoin[edit]

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No evidence of notability per WP:GNG. The only sources I can find are self-published, promotional postings and a blog that seems to be promotional as well. ... discospinster talk 17:33, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:19, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Susan Bezner and Jack Bezner[edit]

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Per WP:MURDEROF and failing WP:GNG. Mdann52 (talk) 17:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep Added more sources and is thus in compliance of WP:GNG. Can't see how it fails WP:MURDEROF. The Holy Spirit of Coke (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC) banned user.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 07:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Växjö Arsons[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCRIME. Seems to be a fairly-routine crime spree with no real notable events or consequences. Mdann52 (talk) 17:01, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 14:11, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolas Estemar stabbing spree[edit]

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Seemingly WP:BLP1E - short of routine coverage around the event, appears to not meet WP:GNG Mdann52 (talk) 17:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • User:PsychoticInq, feel free to ping me if you, as article creator,, see something that I and others have missed, something that would have garnered the sort of attention in academia, the press, or elsewhere to meet WP:NCRIME. You would have to make such an argument with sources.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:12, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 20:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Knife-wielding Bank Robbers[edit]

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WP:LISTCRUFT - seemingly a few non-notable crimes put together in one page. Mdann52 (talk) 16:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Problems with promotionalism can be addressed while this is mainspace, for example by WP:STUBIFYing until someone has time to rewrite the promotional parts. SoWhy 14:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aung Soe Min[edit]

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Owner of a gallery doesn't seem to be satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people). Sources do not indicate that he is a notable activist or notable poet. Draft:Aung Soe Min submission declined on 5 September 2016. Phyo WP (message) 15:46, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Furthermore, have added several academic, renown local (Irawaddy, Myanmar Times, Frontier Myanmar) and famous international journalistic sources (National Georgraphic, Nikkei Asian Review, BBC)

E. W, Ng (2017). "Ian Holliday: Through Burmese eyes. ArtAsiaPacific, (104), 52". ArtAsiaPacific. 104: 52 – via APAFT.

Gaweewong, Gridthiya (March 2015). "Southeast Asian Museums : On a Slow Path to Maturity". The Gakushuin Journal of International Studies. 2: 57–66 – via GLIM Institution Repository.

Johnston, Nathalie (2015). "Myanmar". ArtAsiaPacific Almanac. 10: 155–156.

Alex, Palmer (2014-11-13). "The Race to Save Architecture in Myanmar's Biggest City". National Geographic. Retrieved 2017-07-16. ((cite news)): Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)

"Art finds its place in the new Yangon- Nikkei Asian Review". Nikkei Asian Review. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

Heijmans, Philip (2015-10-15). "Myanmar: The art of doing business in a country in transition". BBC News. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

Times, The Myanmar. "No black No white No red". The Myanmar Times. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

Times, The Myanmar. "Art association to encourage free expression". The Myanmar Times. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

Times, The Myanmar. "A new avenue for arts". The Myanmar Times. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

Gleeson, Sean. "Critical connections". Frontier Myanmar. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

Sardina Galacha, Carlos (2012-01-26). "Art for Rangoon's Sake". The Irrawady. Retrieved 2017-07-16. ((cite web)): Cite has empty unknown parameter: |dead-url= (help)

Alongside pre existing sources from reputable publications such as the Myanmar Times, Guardian, Germany's international broadcaster Deutsche Welle (dw).

Times, The Myanmar. "From Pansodan to Pansuriya:". The Myanmar Times. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

"Check out the counter-culture scene in Rangoon, Burma | Travel | The Guardian". theguardian.com. Retrieved 2017-07-12.

(www.dw.com), Deutsche Welle. "Artists in Myanmar: The challenges of newly-gained freedom | Art of Freedom. Freedom of Art. | DW | 02.01.2016". DW.COM. Retrieved 2017-07-16.

Legibility and clarity of article have also been ammended.

'Domslice (message) 01:23, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Aung Soe Min submission declined on 5 September 2016.

@ Article creator Domslice, Negative, the sources fail to satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people). According to given references, he is not notable artist, author, or activist. Most of the sources only indicate that he is an owner of a (marginally notable) gallery, and a gentle and kind man. Some sources just mention it in passing. Citation overkill to sources containing mere passing mentions of the topic is not added up notability. Phyo WP (message) 12:43, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]


These are just three examples showing that the subject of this article satisfies the General Notability Guideline and the article should not be deleted. — Hebrides (talk) 10:42, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Hebrides, in this case, we are discussing about notability of a person as an artist, poet or activist, etc., not about his gallery.
  • BBC News: the first one-third (not half) is about his gallery and politics of the country, excluding his narratives. Please take a deep look to the article. It shows that the gallery may be (marginally) notable, but not himself. This article does not support that he is a notable artist or activist.
  • The Guardian: only support that he is an owner of a gallery, not as an artist or poet. Please take second look to the articles. There are many names (interviews) in the articles including Aung Soe Min.
IMO, it is difficult to say that the article (not his gallery) has received significant coverage. In this BBC & Guardian articles, journalists interviewed many people, including Aung Soe Min. These references do not adequately show the subject's notability although BBC and The Guardians are reliable sources. The article is not an improvement compared to declined submission Draft:Aung Soe Min. Thank you. Phyo WP (message) 12:43, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Phyo WP & supporting ::@Hebrides
  • Source 1. Thukuma: "he has for many years been a leading figure in Myanmar’s contemporary art world." Directly supports that he is a notable artist.
  • 'Source 4, Future Cities: "The book-binder’s became a meeting place for dissidents in his village. At night, they read the books they bound during the day, then discussed human rights and politics. From the shop, pamphlets and manifestos were sent out expressing support for Aung San Suu Kyi’s opposition party. When the secret service again arrived to arrest him, his answer was always the same. ‘We want education and the freedom to express ourselves"
  • 'Source 7, Myanmar Times:"Magazine editor and film director U Aung Soe Min decided a way had to be found to help local artists recover and flourish again. He bought and curated as many works, especially paintings, as he could.He has been publishing Pansodan Art and Culture weekly since 2013, but is now re-launching it as a quarterly magazine. “It’s all about building an art culture for our future, for new generations. It’s not just about money,” he said."
  • 'Source 8, The Gakushin Journal of International Studies: "His purpose is not only to sell paintings, but to awaken the Burmese people’s interest in the arts" (p 63)
  • 'Source 10 Irawaddy. Your criticism of him only being discussed as a "gentle and kind man" seems both highly selective and biased. The last line in the article explicitly highlights his role as an important cultural figure and promotor of Burmese cultural and artistic life. Quote: "Faced with the neglect of the government, the conservation of the visual legacy of the country, as well as the promotion of the Burmese cultural and artistic life, depends almost exclusively on the enthusiastic work of people like Aung Soe Min."
  • 'Source 15, The Kite tales:"Aung Soe Min breathed life into Myanmar’s contemporary arts scene when censorship was at its height and mentored a new generation of creative talent. He was regularly hauled in by the authorities for questioning over his work, particularly as the junta launch sweeping crackdowns on expression following the 1988 mass uprising against the government, although he managed to escape prison.Now he is on a one-man mission to awaken an interest in arts and history that was deadened ding decades of military rule, when soldiers trained their guns on the history books and museums echoed with the self-justifying shouts of propaganda."
These sources directly supports that he was a 'cultural activist', as the article does not ever use the word activist, saying that he uses "artistic advocacy and attempts to fight against censorship and freedom of expression" and pro-democracy movement in Burma through his engagement with the arts. This is thoroughly supported by NY article, futurecities, and most of the other articles, and your distinction that the articles primarily refer to the gallery and not Aung Soe Min is an artificial one, as he is the founder and organises the cultural acticities these articles are discussing as being important to the arts scene in Myanmar. The very title of the MM Times article (source 20) answers your criticism of him as lacking notabilty as an activist "Art association to encourage free expression"
In reply, IMO, previously declined submission was wrongly declined. Sources already demonstrated extensive notability and @Phyo WP seems to ignore that notability in the art world includes contribution to fostering creative spaces, events and encouraging artistic expression, of which most of the sources highlight (other sources with passing mention are used to support other elements of the article, not merely notability).

Draft:Aung Soe Min. Thanks. Domslice (message) 18:06, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But, it still fails Wikipedia:Notability (people). Let others decide. I don't think Abdullah Alam wrongly declined Draft:Aung Soe Min. Did you create the page Draft:Aung Soe Min? Phyo WP (message) 18:52, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Feel the sources speak for themselves on the notability front.... And no, didn't create the Draft:Aung Soe Min declined in 2014. Thanks, Domslice (message) 13:42, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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The result was speedy keep. No policy-based reason for deletion given. This discussion cannot and will not handle legal issues. Legal has the information, if they deem the article has to be deleted, they can do so (cf. WP:CSD#G9). SoWhy 07:42, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CWM FX[edit]

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Owner of the CWM companies alleges that the company is in voluntary liquidation by Christopher Whiteoak an Insolvency pratitioner and a scammer is using the Wikipedia page to manipulate financial media and classic media .They are any fraud recorded in UK concerning CWM.ticket:2017072310011785 S Philbrick(Talk) 16:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Striking words not added bb me--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Update A representative of this company searched me out off wiki and directed me to delete the page. They say that they have no time for Wikipedia's discussion process and that the page is to be deleted immediately. They gave me court orders and said that they have legal reasons why this must be done. It is beyond my ability to address this person. I will direct them to legal@wikimedia.org and since discussion with them is beyond what volunteers can manage I recommend that others do the same. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I forwarded the OTRS ticket to legal.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deleted under G11 by Athaenara, whose rationale was "Unambiguous advertising or promotion: more at User talk:Mubazieric, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mubazi Eric J" (non-admin closure) - TheMagnificentist 12:09, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mubazi Eric J[edit]

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The many sources cited in this apparent autobiography are all affiliated or ordinary directory listings. Google turns up nothing useful for establishing notability either. Largoplazo (talk) 15:31, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. SoWhy 14:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Phillip King (tennis)[edit]

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Clearly non-notable tennis player. Has not achieved anything worthy of note. Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Tvx1 11:55, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Not all the sources are routine sports reports. STSC (talk) 10:50, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Besides, "Tennis figures are presumed to be notable if they have completed in the main draw in... ATP World Tour tournaments" per WP:NTENNIS. He has played in round 32 in some of these tournaments before. STSC (talk) 12:34, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, but the guideline WP:NTENNIS is superseded by the policy WP:GNG and this person does not satisfy that policy.Tvx1 21:02, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In Notability (sports), it clearly states, "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline OR the sport specific criteria." STSC (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The issue with notability? That this person does not have any. Notability:being worthy of note. This person has not achieved anything worthy of note in tennis. He played a couple of professional tennis matches. That's it. He won just one World Tour match ever in singles and none in doubles. WP:NTENNIS is a guideline which is superseded by WP:GNG and this person does not satisfy that policy.Tvx1 17:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Even in WP:GNG, it states, "A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets either the general notability guideline, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline." STSC (talk) 17:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, usually this works the other way. A player does not meet Tennis Project Guidelines so we reject him. But someone points out with proper sourcing that he does meet GNG, so he gets an article but no Tennis Project tag on the talk page because the player has done nothing tennis related to be notable for. You can certainly bring up at the project that we need to be more strict, but this guy played in the US Open! I don't think anyone at the project would want to throw out his eligibility if he's played in one of the 4 Majors. And as I looked he actually played in two US Opens. But besides all that, there's a reason we have included players who have made the main draw in any ATP world tour event... they usually wind up being GNG notable.
In the old days we'd argue a player didn't do enough to merit including in our tennis guidelines. One editor would argue that they meet GNG and they'd pull out 5 newspaper articles about the guy. Bang, he's in every time. After this happens over and over, to make things go smoother and to put our time to better use, we simply included any ATP world tour main draw as assuming notability. This guy played in 10 ATP main draws including two US Opens. He played against Pete Sampras. He has articles in the Los Angeles Times here and here. ESPN did a story on him also. He won the US Nationals as a Jr twice and was the No. 1 ranking jr in the US. When that happens you get writeups. We saw this over and over and realized we were wasting our time contesting these players. Almost all met GNG by the time they played in a main draw of the ATP or WTA. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, he was allowed into his home grand slam twice with a Wild Card and lost in straight sets in the first round on both occasions. Home players routinely get Wild Cards to play at their domestic Grand Slam tournaments. It happens at all four of them. So do go blowing up the importance and notability of his US Open appearances. He didn't get any more wildcards after that and there is a reason for that. I really can't understand why you are so desperate to keep an unencyclopedic article on a tennis player who hasn't achieved anything of importance.Tvx1 13:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There are probably quite a few players that, in my own mind, do not belong... GNG or not. I didn't make all the rules but I do tend to follow them when we reach consensus. Heck, I was against all players that win a Major getting a seasonal article. But I was crushed in that consensus and I now follow that decision with no reservations at all. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:36, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • He played at the level but didn't achieve anything worthy of note. As explained above WP:TENNIS is not a trump card to an article and it cannot be invoked to override WIkipedia's policies.Tvx1 13:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • ""A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets either the general notability guideline, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline." There you have it. Smartyllama (talk) 17:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Sure.Tvx1 18:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you really claiming that there was not much internet 15 years ago?? That's nonsense. The internet was already omnipresent in by the turn of the millennium. All the grand slam tournaments had their websites already back then. And why would these grand slam appearances have gotten special coverages. They were two Wild Card entries for a home grand slam and both of them ended with a straight set loss in the first round. There are 128 players in the first round of each grand slam and there are four of them per year. Do you genuinely believe that every single one of them gets some special coverage?Tvx1 18:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Far as the Internet comment, of course there was "much internet" 15 years ago. I just don't think much of it is accessible today and what is accessible by way of something like Internet Archive is hard to search - plus not everything is archived. So in other words, we presume sources were available, but has since been taken down. And yes, I do believe every one of them gets special coverage. Its not like its 128x4 - a lot of the players repeat. RonSigPi (talk) 18:59, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've also added a source from LA Times, an article about King when he's 17 years old in 1999.[9] - STSC (talk) 13:37, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
...Another one from ESPN: Tennis isn't waiting' for former junior champ - STSC (talk) 15:52, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. There hasn't been any attempt in the discussion to show that the subject is notable by referencing specific sources, as opposed to search engine queries. Hut 8.5 21:36, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ravi D. Channannavar[edit]

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BLP of a police officer, created by a COI editor (who claims to have taken the picture of the subject - nothing wrong with that as such, but it does indicate that there is a conflict of interest). The article contains a lot of promotional fluff, but no actual claim to notability. The sources are all local/trivial coverage. Having a job, even if one is good at it, does not automatically confer notability in Wikipedia. bonadea contributions talk 15:43, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@bonadea Please do check the number of people do search with keyword Ravi D Channannavar. Average of 230 people/Day do visit this page to get information Pageviews Analysis. Ravi D. Channannavar is a very famous Police officer unlike other police officers, He has gained lot of respect over Karnataka, India by his unique way of doing his duty. Most of the content here is referred from News papers (which has 6 crores of Readers) & TV Interview. He has been appeared in TV Shows Weekend with Ramesh where achievers are invited to share their story so that People can inspire from it. My sincere request it to not to delete this page. Please do search in Google about this person, off the wikipedia page you will get tons of articles and TV interview about him(Kindly use https://www.google.co.in for searching. This is India search engine). Please don't conclude about the notability. Please do let us know if any concerns. Thank you!

Please do use https://www.google.co.in for searching, this is what we get default search engine URL in india. Don't go by https://www.google.com which you are doing above. Before concluding about his notability check below.


@Razer Please refer my above comments to check notability.

Please do use https://www.google.co.in for searching, this is what we get default search engine URL in india. Don't go by https://www.google.com which you are doing above. Before concluding about his notability check below.

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 13:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jess Taylor[edit]

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The content of the article and its references do not indicate that this individual meets notability criteria outlined in WP:MUSIC. Peacock (talk) 14:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Harms[edit]

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Fails WP:PROF and WP:GNG: very few citations according to GS, no major awards, no coverage in independent reliable sources, written like a CV and not ashamed of it. Rentier (talk) 12:15, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. SoWhy 13:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harvey and the Wallbangers[edit]

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Article about a band, who have valid potential notability claims (touring, a six-episode radio variety show) but aren't reliably sourcing them to media coverage: apart from a couple of directory entries, this is otherwise referenced entirely to their self-published album liner notes and tour posters. WP:NMUSIC, however, requires reliable source coverage: touring is not a notability claim if the sourcing for it is the tour posters or routine concert listings, but requires editorial content to have been written by media outlets about the tour; radio programs are not a notability claim until media have written about the show, and on and so forth. No prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody can do better than this, but this is not the sourcing that it takes to make any of this suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Bearcat (talk) 01:07, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The band were active in the 1980's, prior to the internet era, and therefore there is little, easy available, recorded details about the activities of the band during that time. Information has been obtained in the article from independent sources such as media listings & television program listings. Bearcat points out that these are not necessarily a definitive point for accuracy, but to ensure that mistakes have not been made, all of the recorded information has been checked in interviews with some of the original band members to ensure its validity. Wikipedia is a global sharing space for information and it is important, as a historical reference for the future, that such details are not lost forever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nigel654 (talk • contribs)

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Note that Wikipedia does not have a requirement that our sources be web-accessible — if they actually got real newspaper and magazine coverage in the 1980s, then you can use that for sourcing regardless of whether it's possible to link to a convenience copy on a website or not. But what we do have is a requirement that the references represent reliable source media coverage and not just a band's own album liner notes and tour posters — so if they got real media coverage, you have to show it. It is not Wikipedia's responsibility to be about "everything"; it is our responsibility to maintain and publish articles about things that satisfy our notability and sourcing standards, and not to help preserve the details of things that don't satisfy our notability and sourcing standards. Bearcat (talk) 17:23, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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No NMUSIC criterion confers an exemption from the article having to be reliably sourced — it's not the claim to passing an NMUSIC criterion that passes NMUSIC, but the depth and quality of the reliable sourcing that can be shown to properly support the article. Bearcat (talk) 21:39, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete WP:G3 (pure vandalism and blatant hoaxes). (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Virtual console premium games for Nintendo Switch[edit]

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Article is unsourced speculation on something that has yet to be officially announced. Has no place in an encyclopedia. McDoobAU93 14:38, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Foodjunky.com[edit]

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Typical startup spam . nothing significant about it. Reads like press or company profile. Speedy Delete material. There is no significance for being a part of encyclopedia. Funding news and advertising about themselves. Light2021 (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 10:54, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BaYingQuan[edit]

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Article with many primary sources on a small school of martial arts, potentially self-promotional. The article is also very poorly written and referenced from blogs and even Facebook. Mountaincirque · Join the Karate Task Force? 14:29, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is for deletion. North America1000 04:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PartsBase[edit]

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Article about an apparently non-notable company. The only available sources are press releases, routine listings, and a mentions in connection with fraud prosecution.[18][19] - MrX 18:28, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Author's comment: I have included references in multiple news sources, as well as published journals and books. I believe it meets WP:GNG -- the platform has a very wide reach in the aviation sector; and clients include most big names in the industry. Silver Penguin (talk) 02:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Is there anything I can do to fix such issues? It's not my intention to "promote" anything or present anything in a non-neutral manner. Silver Penguin (talk) 00:36, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm not writing this article as a promotional piece. If there's anything in particular you think violates the neutrality policy, let me know. Silver Penguin (talk) 19:33, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete WP:G11: unambiguous advertising or promotion. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:23, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Oil Sands Innovation Alliance[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP right now. I can't check the book source (Google Books does not have a preview that I can find) but the article reads like a PR piece and all the web sources that I can find are either press releases or paid content. shoy (reactions) 13:50, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 11:13, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ScienCell Laboratories[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP. Sources that are in the article either do not mention the company at all or only mention it in passing, or fail WP:CORPDEPTH. I could not find any additional significant coverage. shoy (reactions) 13:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:20, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Arati Tagore[edit]

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de-PRODed, because "can't use a web search to assess notability of someone who died in 1975". (I disagree, much pre-internet content has been digitized). Written by editor with an apparent COI, according to whom all her relatives are famous (famous is most frequently used word after "in", "also", "of", "the", "was" and "and"), even though none of them have an article. No sources are provided. I did find one book that mentions the subject, Rao, D. S. (2004). Five Decades: The National Academy of Letters, India : a Short History of Sahitya Akademi. Sahitya Akademi. ISBN 9788126020607., but that provides no information beyond crediting her as a translator. Mduvekot (talk) 13:26, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of programs broadcast by Zee Bangla. Speedy deletion would likely be warranted here, but we will speedily redirect. As RHaworth points out, this may deserve an article if the show generates notice. Malinaccier (talk) 17:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Baksho badol[edit]

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I can only find one Bengali source about this TV programme: [21]. To quote from WP:NTV, In either case, however, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone. For instance, a purely local talk radio program can be notable enough for inclusion if it played a role in exposing a major political scandal, and a national television program may not be notable if it was cancelled too quickly to have garnered any significant media coverage. My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 13:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America1000 04:38, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alec Torelli[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG Kleuske (talk) 14:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Torelli has over 1.5M in tournament cashes and significantly more in cash game winnings.. He clearly passes GNG http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=74855&_ga=2.41462690.108718280.1500016818-478809225.1452494301#

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  • From the Bluff source posted below:

    He also won back-to-back events at the WPT’s Fiesta Al Lago stop last year for just over $200,000, and he’s even made a huge splash at the World Series of Poker the last two years, finishing second in the 2008 No Limit Hold‘em heads-up championship for $336,000 losing to poker superstar Kenny Tran), then final-tabling the prestigous $40,000 buy-in event at this year’s WSOP, where he finished sixth for $329,000.

    Doesn't this meet Wikipedia:WikiProject Poker#Biography article notability criteria? From the link:

    For purposes of notability, Wikiproject Poker does not consider the Additional Criteria for Athletes to be valid for poker players. The project considers a poker player generally notable only by:

    • Winning a WSOP/WPT/EPT/SBOP event.
    • Winning a million dollars in a single event at an established tournament.
    • Induction into the Poker Hall of Fame
    He won two WPT events.

    Cunard (talk) 04:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This person has received over 200 sources covering him this year alone, for example source such as PokerNews from 2015 say that he is among this first bloggers in poker. I wrote this article long before the angle shooting incident, receiving negative coverage should not nullify someone from GNG. He has also been a long time writer on Poker News [22], this person is notable and passes GNG. I have also replaced the former unreliable sources with reliable sources. Valoem talk contrib 02:51, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Apparently, the sources are inadequate to satisfy GNG Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Zhang Lijun (business person)[edit]

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Self-promotion. A previous version was speedied at Zhanglijun. The first sentence says he's the concurrent chairman of 5-7 organizations, ranging from a video game company to TV station to a bank, is this really believable? So I googled "Bank of Asia", nothing comes up. Googled "Dubai China and Asia TV", nothing comes up. "Capital Internet Association", nothing. "China Travel Entertainment Group", ditto. The third paragraph claims "Zhang Lijun was also well known as the first person of “introducing to be listed” of China.", what does that mean? The fourth paragraph then talks about the achievement of his company. In any case, the article is badly written and requires WP:TNT even if the person is found notable. The hatnote says one should consult the zh.wiki article, but that article has already been deleted for copyright infringement. Finally, notice how the creator of the article uploaded this studio portrait photo (and many more on Wikicommons) claiming own work, suggesting WP:COI. Timmyshin (talk) 12:44, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Mr Zhang is said to have been 'general manager' of several Chinese firms. This is translating a term used for middle managers. To compare an equivalently trumped-up term in English, 'sales executives' are not notable corporate leaders. Matt's talk 08:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. No consensus for deletion, has been covered by independent sources. Malinaccier (talk) 18:30, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kate Andersen Brower[edit]

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Some notability exists, but from my POV she doesn't pass WP:GNG Arthistorian1977 (talk) 08:22, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. The consensus of the experienced editors who have involved themselves in this disaster area of an AfD is, sadly, that Hanna Yuri does not meet our notability requirements here on English Wikipedia and is not notable. Nick (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hanna Yuri[edit]

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Non-notable model/artist. The article doesn't seem to be satisfy Wikipedia:Notability (people). Most of the references are local blogs and do not meet Wikipedia:Verifiability. References in Burmese language do not add up notability of the article. Phyo WP (message) 15:34, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hanna Yuri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) This article is written according to guidelines. References are also collected information of interviews from International news like 7 days journal and eleven media.

Eleven Media is very Popular and strong media of Myanmar.ref interview http://www.news-eleven.com/interviews/%E1%80%9C%E1%80%B0%E1%80%84%E1%80%9A%E1%80%B9%E1%80%99%E1%80%AD%E1%80%90%E1%80%B9%E1%80%80%E1%80%95%E1%80%B9%E1%80%95%E1%80%8A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%9B%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9-hanna-yuri-%E1%82%8F%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B7-%E1%80%B1%E1%80%90%E1%80%BC%E1%82%95%E1%80%86%E1%80%B6%E1%80%AF%E1%80%BB%E1%80%81%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B8

7day journal ref http://www.7daydaily.com/story/45112

You can see her famous from interviews. Next, I am newbie so I don't really know how to give the reasons. If there is some fault, pls indicate it 楊過007 (talk) 16:41, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, the article fails to show Wikipedia:Notability (people). These interviews fail to satisfy notability as a make-up artist. Phyo WP (message) 19:25, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Dr. I reject your comment.

http://www.news-eleven.com/interviews/%E1%80%9C%E1%80%B0%E1%80%84%E1%80%9A%E1%80%B9%E1%80%99%E1%80%AD%E1%80%90%E1%80%B9%E1%80%80%E1%80%95%E1%80%B9%E1%80%95%E1%80%8A%E1%80%AC%E1%80%9B%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9-hanna-yuri-%E1%82%8F%E1%80%BD%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B7-%E1%80%B1%E1%80%90%E1%80%BC%E1%82%95%E1%80%86%E1%80%B6%E1%80%AF%E1%80%BB%E1%80%81%E1%80%84%E1%80%B9%E1%80%B8 is interview showed her about. 楊過007 (talk) 20:54, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep Phyo WP (This is not my vote. It was created by another user.) Phyo WP (message) 19:25, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]


မြန်မာလိုပဲပြောပါရစေ အခုဆောင်းပါးမှာပေါ့နော် အင်တာဗျူးကEngလိုတော့ မမြင်ဘူးရှင့်။ မြန်မာဘာသာကနေ ဘာသာပြန်ပီး တစ်ချို့အချက်တေပဲ ကိုးကားထားတယ် ရှင့် magazine တို့ fashion bookတေမှာတော့ ခနခနပါတယ် ရှင့် အဲ့လိုအပြင်ဆောင်းပါးတေ မကိုးကားတတ်လို့ပါ အခု နိုင်ငံသိ သတင်းဌာနက အင်တာဗျူးလောက်နဲ့မလုံလောက်ဘူးးလား ရှင့် စာကလည်းသိပ်မများပါဘူး ​ရေးထားတာက​ ကူးချတာမျိုးလည်း မလုပ်ထားဘူးရှင့် ကိုးကားရှာရတာအရမ်းခက်တယ် စိတိလည်းညစ်တယ် နာမည်ကြီးလည်း ကိုးကားမရှိရင်ရေးမရဘူး အခု ဘယ်လိုလုပ်သင့်လဲရှင့် မကြိုက်တာဖျက်ပီး ထားသင့်သလောက်ထားမရဘူး လားး

ညီမတစ်ခြားGov profile & royal familyဆောင်းပါးတေလည်း ဖန်တီးဖူးပါတယ် အခုမြန်မာအနုပညာရှင်တေ ရေးတိုင်း မအောင်မြင်ဘူးး အခုလည်း ဘယ်လိုလုပ်ရမလဲ မသိဘူး စည်းကမ်းချက်တေက တစ်ချို့စာလုံးတေမသိဘူးရှင့်...engစာအနေတော် ရေးတတ်သူအဆင့်ပါ အခုမြန်မာလို ရေးရတာက engလိုဆို လိုရင်း ရောက်နိုင်မှာမဟုတ်ဘူးဒေါက်တာရှင့် ရေးလို့ရသလောက်တော့ထားချင်ပါတယ်楊過007 (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia မှာ ဖျက်ဖို့ အဆိုပြုတဲ့ ဆောင်းပါးအားလုံး ဖျက်တာ မဟုတ်ပါ။ စီမံခန့်ခွဲသူများမှ သင့်လျော်သည်ဟု ယူဆလျှင် ဖျက်မှာ မဟုတ်ပါ။ ဒီဆောင်းပါးလည်း သတ်မှတ်ချက်နှင့် ကိုက်ညီလျှင် စီမံ ခန့်ခွဲသူများမှ ဆက်လက် ထားရှိမှာပါ။ အကူအညီ လိုအပ်လျှင် ကျွန်တော်ရဲ့ talk page မှာ မေးမြန်းနိုင်ပါတယ်။ ကျေးဇူးတင်ပါတယ်။ Phyo WP (message) 19:25, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. phyo win pe , where????? 74.50.209.88 (talk) 09:55, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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she is actress and model of myanmar and also Makeup Artist. Scoures from Myanmar Celebrity Media

http://www.myanmarcuties.com/2016/05/hanna-yuri-said-she-is-not-evildoer.html?m=0&tag=visit

read that.

Thanks

01:21, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

http://www.pyoneplay.com/show/Woman-To-Woman/66f883bc5dc145f180badb63f5e50348/video/F0ZTBsYjE6h1pqxyAR7D2vRVXWA4OM3T/15/6/17 [1] I found this tv show and interview season link. she is popular artist in myanmar.I think this season is popular in Myanmar. (Name - Khit Thit Pyo May Season MRTV4)

Thank Limaocho (talk) 06:13, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

u can prove that !!!

'Keep' : that link is her Facebook page link https://www.facebook.com/Hannayuriofficial Her page is Get 'Verified Badge . Facebook Verified is get Popular celebrity and get government. Myanmar celebrity 12 people get in Verified.Hannayuri is one of in 12 people list. then she is popular artist of myannar. facebook verified is very authentic. not all user !! for top celebrity and government official acoount. diffcuts for get badge.Hanna Yuri get verfied reason for celebrity.

thanks

ref verified http://www.tricks99.net/how-to-verify-my-facebook-page-with-blue-badge/ http://uk.businessinsider.com/inside-the-facebook-mentions-app-which-is-only-for-verified-users-2015-9 http://itstillworks.com/register-official-celebrity-facebook-22519.html


00:07, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


info infomation https://m.youtube.com/#/user/MyanmarCelebrity/2016/05/bunny-phyoe.html

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'Keep' :I found Another interveiew and her about news.


Interview from The Irrawaddy Media(Irrawaddy Media is Popular and powerful media agency of Myanmar)

http://burma.irrawaddy.com/lifestyle/2016/05/02/113187.html

And Interview video from Myanmar Celebrity Media Channel

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_nnNx9XHwrY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ATAkhEQ_g

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr_aOGXgIQQ

I prove that for she is Popular Artist. Not fake artist. don't refused !i prove and vote.

Thanks Best Regards 楊過007 (talk) 01:11, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Although bolding a "neutral" !vote, FUNgus guy actually argued for keeping the article and despite two relists there were no further comments. A redirect can be created through normal editing. SoWhy 13:55, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Chippewas of Georgina Island First Nation 33A[edit]

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Everything in the article is adequately explained in the Chippewas of Georgina Island First Nation, there is no need for another article that also fails to be notable enough to warrant an article by itself. Also a stub. The Verified Cactus 100% 20:01, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chippewa Island The Verified Cactus 100% 20:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, even as a permastub. It is a distinct geographic entity, delineated by INAC, and separate from the municipalities and even the province surrounding it. I created this, and many other reserve stubs, in an effort to address Wiki's lack of indigenous content. It invites others to add content specific to the reserve. Also, Chippewa Island is a shared reserve, b/w Chippewas of Georgina Island, Chippewas of Rama and Beausoleil. FUNgus guy (talk) 06:21, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Distinct geographic entity...separate from the municipalities and even the province surrounding it" is not a claim that applies differently to a First Nations reserve than it does to a town or city: the exact same thing could be said of Toronto, Mississauga, St. Thomas, Greater Sudbury, Ottawa, Cobden and Hearst, which are all distinct geographic entities with defined boundaries that exist separately from other entities at that level of geography too. And the problem with reserve stubs is there's rarely if ever anything that can be said about the reserve beyond "it exists and is occupied by a First Nation", for the same reason that we don't keep one article about a city as a geographic entity and a separate article about the culture and history of the people who live in it: we discuss both aspects in one article. Bearcat (talk) 15:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A First Nation is an entity that differs from a municipally-delineated population. It encompasses the band government (or equivalent), all of its traditional territory and its off-reserve population as well. As such, I see this in a nation-to-nation sense: X First Nation and Y Reserve as separate pages in the same vein as Canadians and Canada are. FUNgus guy (talk) 06:15, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The difference being that there's actual substance that can be written about "Canada" and "Canadians" as separate topics from each other, beyond just "Canada is a place that exists and is populated by Canadians, the end" — but that latter is all that can be written here. We have a lot of names of First Nations reserves that exist solely as redirects to the article about the First Nation that populates them, rather than as separate permastubs that add nothing of substance about the reserve as a separate topic in its own right. Bearcat (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous examples of unincorporated white settlements that have pages, many of which are nothing more than permastubs. So why call out the indigenous lands as being 'not-noteworthy'? FUNgus guy (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Because that's not what I'm doing — those unincorporated "white" settlements you're talking about don't pass WP:GEOLAND either, and should properly be redirected to a parent topic (i.e. the municipality that they're located in) rather than standing alone as separate permastubs that aren't demonstrating or sourcing any proper notability. Per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, the existence of bad content about one thing does not reify into an exemption from our sourcing and notability standards for other comparable things just because you falsely accuse another Wikipedia editor of racism — it means the bad content about the first thing should be redirected or deleted too, and just hasn't been noticed yet. In actual fact, when I come across an unreferenced or minimally referenced one-line permastub about a "white" hamlet or neighbourhood, I regularly redirect it to its parent municipality in accordance with WP:GEOLAND. But I can only do that with articles that I come across — I do not have a responsibility to go on a comprehensive safari to track down every redirectable stub that might exist anywhere in the entire country, but only to address the notability and sourcing prospects of articles that are brought to my attention.
The unincorporated "white" settlements aren't supposed to be handled differently than my initial response to the nomination — this is not here because Wikipedia policy, or any Wikipedia editor, is treating First Nations reserves differently than what "white" settlements get. Both types of settlements are supposed to be handled in the same way I've proposed here, namely by redirecting the geographic permastub to a larger parent topic if they're not sourceable or substanceable as more than just "this exists, the end", and this just happens to be the particular instance that Cactus noticed at this particular time. Bearcat (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize, I did not mean to suggest racial bias. And you make a good point, perhaps this particular article is better served as a redirect to the FN page until more substance can be written. Nobody brought up GEOLAND in the discussion Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Canada-related articles#Naming conventions for First Nations reserves, so thank you. FUNgus guy (talk) 06:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose my only opposition is the fact that First Nations reserves are not seen by Wiki-policy to be equivalent to other municipal-level entities. So Neutral. I can see the argument against poor-quality stubs. But if I can reference INAC, describe its geography, and give you the link to an official government map, is that much different from a railroad stop in the middle of nowhere, like Armstrong, Thunder Bay District, Ontario (mentioned in WP:CANSTYLE)? FUNgus guy (talk) 07:44, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Armstrong isn't a railroad whistle stop, but an actual community with an actual population and a governing body that gets it past WP:GEOLAND — and even if its article isn't actually spectacularly good, there is some genuine substance present about a former Canadian Forces station. And there's no potential redirect target for it — it's not part of any larger municipal entity and we don't have a separate article about the society and culture and history of the people who live in it, which means it's not closely related to any other article we could even consider merging the content into. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
My biggest issue is that FN reserves are not seen in the same light as municipalities or municipal-level entities. Even Unorganized South East Algoma District got a pass. FUNgus guy (talk) 05:19, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Question: How far does one have to go to get proper notability? I can see your argument that "This reserve exists, is occupied by X FN, the end." is not the most thrilling Wiki page. But how much more does one need? How about Obadjiwan 15E? Two extra sentences with a ref. Does that satisfy notability requirements? Or how about Goulais Bay 15A? One extra paragraph with refs. IMO all reserves deserve a page as a municipal-equivalent, but that discussion is not yet complete. FUNgus guy (talk) 23:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also keep in mind that reserves are de jure federal exclaves within the prov/terr, where prov/terr laws do not apply. FUNgus guy (talk) 06:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Which is completely irrelevant to my point. Bearcat (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Bush encroachment in Namibia. Not much discussion here, but the redirect seems plausible, and WP:ATD argues for that over deletion. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:51, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

De-bushing Advisory Service Namibia[edit]

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Non-notable NGO.Purely promotional. Winged Blades Godric 10:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Certainly there is no consensus to delete- and the longer this goes on, the longer the production, with a concomitant growth in notability. In any case, as was pointed in the course of the discussion, AfD is not required or a pre-requisite for a merge / redirect to be discussed. (non-admin closure) — fortunavelut luna 16:16, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Network (play)[edit]

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Contested PROD (removed by creator with no rationale). This is an upcoming play which is written and directed by notable people, starring a notable person and based on a notable film. However, there's not much in the way of notability for the play itself as yet beyond the sorts of coverage that these things get when announced. I therefore question its independent notability. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 13:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Mitzen[edit]

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Uneventful life of a businessman None of his ventures have been particularly successful, and none of them have articles here,Trivial little notice and local PR. DGG ( talk ) 07:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:21, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alif Oil[edit]

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Non-notable company. WP:BEFORE searching fails to find any WP:RS to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. I found lots of advertising for their products, lots of WP:NOTDIRECTORY listings, but nothing that talks about them as a company in depth. This article has already been through the grand tour of process: WP:A7, deletion review, and WP:PROD (where nobody objected in a week, so it was deleted, then backed out per this conversation. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This article, which I have written says having a reference: It is the largest foreign investment in the local agricultural sector to date with a planned palm plantation and oil refinery project in Mindanao.Sarcelles (talk) 14:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MER-C 09:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

LawnMowingOnline[edit]

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The result was delete. MER-C 03:26, 28 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ParqEx[edit]

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The result was no consensus. The problem here- in terms of assessing consensus- is that GEOLAND does not require a place to be populated, only to have at some time been populated. There has been enough material presented- pace the GNIS and its definition of 'locale'- to suggest that the requirements of GEOLAND are thus fulfilled. However, although there is clearly no absolte consensus to delte this article, there is still an issue in clarifying these definitions and how a locale or ghost town are inter-compatible. That discussion, of course, is for another place. (non-admin closure) — fortunavelut luna 15:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bays, WV[edit]

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Does not seem to be notable enough, in addition to there being very few related results in an internet search. RES2773 (talk) 02:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The coordinates for the school and the church are for a different location, in the south of the county near Nallen. Peter James (talk) 15:28, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete per A7. (non-admin closure) Greenbörg (talk) 04:33, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Syed Mohammad Abbas Rizvi[edit]

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I can't find any reliable sources about this person. Vanjagenije (talk) 12:28, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Discounting the votes without arguments, there does not appear to be consensus to delete the article. Malinaccier (talk) 20:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

San Juan River Basin Recovery Implementation Program[edit]

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I see no indication of notability. No significant coverage in independent sources found via Google News, Books or Scholar. All sources that aren't obviously primary sources are authored or co-authored by the same person (and some of the co-authors seem affiliated with the program); that's not enough for an encyclopedia article. Huon (talk) 00:44, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Lists of Transformers characters. (non-admin closure) — fortunavelut luna 15:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Duocons[edit]

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Notability is not established. TTN (talk) 01:22, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Decepticons. No sourced information worth merging. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. SoWhy 13:06, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Porinju Veliyath[edit]

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Not notable businessman Arthistorian1977 (talk) 05:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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A person with mentions in Forbes India, Economic times, Moneycontrol websites & one have a mass following on Twitter isn't notable? - Any person investing in Indian stock market will be surprised with this. His success stories are a part of history as stocks shoot up as soon as he invests in a particular stock. Please guide me as why he is not notable. Vivo78 (talk) 18:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If Justin Bieber albums were only sold in Canada, then he probably wouldn't have a Wikipedia page, or it would probably be salted. KMF (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Frivolous nomination. He has truly extensive press coverage. "Famous individual investor", "Smallcaps czar". Clearly a major player in Indian financial markets. 84.73.134.206 (talk) 04:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 13:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fiiha[edit]

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An article about a price comparison site. The provided sources are poor: where they do mention Fiiha, it is in passing, such as an advertorial about ties with a final passing mention that they can be bought through this site for best prices, and announcement notices about the site's social media features from 2016. I see nothing to suggest this is more than a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL proposition: fails WP:NWEB, WP:GNG. AllyD (talk) 06:47, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 13:07, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hieronymus, A Musical Fantasy[edit]

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A community theatre production that does not appear to meet WP:GNG or other notability standards . There is some coverage but it is just local in nature. Boneymau (talk) 01:10, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete it's a community theatre and does not appear notable Jobscomforter (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. A few searches for independent coverage establishing notability was fruitless. No third-party coverage means that the play is not of note and therefore does not merit inclusion by the general notability guidelines. Malinaccier (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BakuBoy & Austin Blake[edit]

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Non-notable musicians. - TheMagnificentist 11:48, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Minimal discussion, so WP:SOFTDELETE. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BCS Sri Lanka Section[edit]

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Fails WP:ORG, unsourced, links to non-independent sources National Best Quality Software Awards which is an AfD, and Draft:Creately at MfD. Atsme📞📧 17:00, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Asphalt Streetstorm[edit]

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Unsourced, insignificant, non-notable game. - TheMagnificentist 15:04, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is that the concept satisfies the general guidelines for notabillity, but that the article's tone needs to be addressed. Tagging the article for tone improvement. Malinaccier (talk) 22:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Category Design[edit]

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Unremarkable lump of jargon. TheLongTone (talk) 15:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I have added those two resources Prof.Marlin (talk) 18:43, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated some more links info and sources, hope that suffice Prof.Marlin (talk) 21:24, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. SoWhy 13:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hazrat Wallar Baba[edit]

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Simply googling got me nothing but Wikipedia mirrors. Heck, I have had to turn Facebook upside down just to find the village in which this run-of-the-mill South Asian saint was buried. I was lucky enough that someone posted a G-Earth screenshot, saying it was Chajjar Syedna, so after some searching, lo and behold: 34°30′45″N 73°03′09″E / 34.512403°N 73.052362°E / 34.512403; 73.052362 actually has a marker in G-Maps with مزارشریف (حضرت ولاڑبابا جی) or "Mazār Sharīf (Ḥaḍrat Wallaṛ Bābā Jī)". Considering that the village is so small that Google does not even name it and that I get zero unique non-wiki-related hits, even for the Urdu-script variant, I'd say that this "saint" fails WP:GNG by a mile. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:15, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 13:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bimala Rai[edit]

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Non-notable musician, no significant coverage in independent reliable sources to pass general notability guideline and no evidence to satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. GSS (talk|c|em) 04:50, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 13:09, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Singer Arpita Mukherjee[edit]

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I am nominating this article for deletion as it fails WP:GNG for notable people. The musical artist is unremarkable, apart from being contestant of reality shows. I suspect this may also be a case of paid editing without disclosure. As the creater of the article is a brand new editor but the article especially infobox is properly formatted to a knowledge of experienced editor. Please join for a discussion Anoptimistix (talk) 18:02, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 13:09, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ofir Kremer[edit]

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She is still failing WP:NGYMNAST. Looks like WP:TOSOON for her. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 21:50, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 13:09, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Omar Hanoune[edit]

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Non-notable activist. It was deleted on ar.wikipedia for that same reason. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 13:10, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shukla Beharilal[edit]

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Fails WP:NPERSON. DrStrauss talk 11:17, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:41, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sanjay Kumar (businessman)[edit]

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Typical spam/promotion.PR sources half of which covers him trivially. Winged Blades Godric 10:34, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 13:10, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SD (rapper)[edit]

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Non-notable. Jennica✿ / talk 09:02, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Consensus is to delete. The artist does not appear to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines Malinaccier (talk) 20:46, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jayrope[edit]

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Nominated for speedy deletion, but has some borderline claims to importance including a significant body of work and several albums. However, at a cursory glance I can't find any in-depth coverage and can't confirm that any of his music satisfies the requirements of WP:BAND. Basalisk inspect damage⁄berate 17:17, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Currently including better (compliant) references. Please look back at this and reconsider. Thank you. Jayrope (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ambassadorial Brothers[edit]

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Each brother is notable by himself, but there is nothing, that suggests the brotherhood has something to do with notability. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 15:27, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Even though they are referred to here [25]as "Three Ambassadorial Brothers", I must accept that the group wasn't widely known as the Ambassadorial Brothers. Each having a different separate page will due. As the creator I agree that the page should get deleted. -ChiefWanag, 19:29, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. SoWhy 12:26, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

John Hoyle (died 1692)[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Prod was removed by creator with no edit summary or discussion. Notability is not inherited, and the only claims to notability here are being the son of a notable person and the friend of a notable person. Boleyn (talk) 06:32, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Boleyn, as explained in the Talk Page (I did not remove the deletion tag without discussing it), the article meet the WP:BIO John Hoyle is extensively present in the writing of Aphra Behn, one of the first women playwright in England, but he is also discussed in writing about LGBTQ History, due to his trial for Sodomy.
Boleyn and Kudpung, moreover when I tagged John Hoyle from the Aphra Behn page, the link from the Aphra Behn page was point to a "wrong" John Hoyle, lived almost 100 years after the right one. It's confusing to researcher, who, without the right page, could be mislead.
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Hi, Elisa.rolle, sorry, I've struck the comment that you removed it without discussion, but as you removed it without an edit summary and without pinging anyone to join a discussion, this was missed. Misdirected links can be corrected by removing the link, rather than creating an article. Boleyn (talk) 12:35, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Peterkingiron, It's not just one letter, one letter is what I have used as quoted text cause it was referring to the homosexuality of Hoyle. Hoyle is more present in Behn's writings, only that I do not think is the case to quote all of them. It has also being said that Hoyle was one of Behn's lovers, but that is all interpretation from their letters. We are talking of people from 400 years ago, it's difficult to discern what is true and what is implied.--Elisa.rolle (talk) 20:02, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, or at the very least a much more substantial presence in Behn's article. A surprising amount is known about this fellow. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, his father was Lord Mayor. However, consider how much is known about this 17th century person. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:54, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
.I was confused and didn't realize so much of the article content and sources were about his father and not him. That makes him even less wiki-notable in my eyes per WP:NOTINHERITED. Being merely documented is not sufficient for notability. He just seems like an average well-off 17th century guy who had legal problems and an association with a wiki-notable writer. GretLomborg (talk) 14:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Greenbörg (talk) 17:43, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Athar Tahir[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. Greenbörg (talk) 10:58, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 12:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Khawaja Reazuddin Atash[edit]

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No source. Tried to find but nothing came up. He fails WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR. Greenbörg (talk) 10:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. postdlf (talk) 20:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of NHL players who spent their entire career with one franchise[edit]

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Completely arbitrary list, which is not anything recognized either in the NHL itself or in hockey as a wider sport. Ten seasons is not some inherent mark of notability, and there is no reason such a list needs to exist. Kaiser matias (talk) 03:25, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy Delete. (non-admin closure) MassiveYR ♠ 15:12, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Munni Irone[edit]

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The article is awfully promotional, in my opinion, and I don't find much, if any, truly independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. I searched Google using "munni irone" -"Art For Peace Awards was hosted and given in Mumbai" to exclude one piece of boilerplate language repeated in many sources, leading me to suspect it was a press release. Largoplazo (talk) 09:51, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 12:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bannu Press Club[edit]

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Fails WP:ORG and WP:GNG. Greenbörg (talk) 12:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 12:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Fletcher (actor)[edit]

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Actor/Musician who doesn't pass WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR, or WP:MUSICBIO. Was speedy deleted via A7 on the 7th, then recreated later the same day and this time passed the A7 CSD, with the admin suggested an afD. I decided to address my concerns first on talk page here. No replies there in the 9 days since, and no indication of significant coverage being found, or improvements to the the blpsources, other than adding two references from a music blog. WikiVirusC(talk) 13:25, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to The Turtles#Discography. Consensus is that the album does not satisfy the notability guidelines for inclusion in Wikipedia. Of course, SoWhy makes a good point that this can usefully be redirected--closing as such. Malinaccier (talk) 16:58, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Out of Control (The Crossfires album)[edit]

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This is actually an interesting piece of history (for Turtles fans like me anyways) but the album doesn't have any coverage nor was it originally released on a major label -- or any label for that matter. I would say merge what little info is here but The Turtles article sufficiently covers the Crossfires. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 09:32, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tceqli[edit]

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Tceqli (formerly Ceqli) is an artificial language which lacks notability. There are no citations on the page except to websites maintained by the language's creator. Google searches for "Tceqli" and "Ceqli" does not turn up any coverage except for a handful of personal websites and Wikipedia mirrors. A previous AfD nomination also linked to its appearance in a list of conlangs in a magazine article: link (Russian). There were claims that the language has an ISO 639-3 code, but that does not appear to be the case. Besides the ISO claim previous arguments against deletion were mostly based on WP:WAX and WP:IKNOWIT. Delete per WP:NN.

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Best of the Web Directory[edit]

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I cannot find any indication that this directory meets the general notability guideline. My searches revealed no reliable, independent sources that talk about the directory in depth. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 22:13, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 12:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kuber Rai[edit]

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Non-notable musician, no significant coverage in independent reliable sources, this source published in 2003 mentioned him award winning musician but I failed to find anything to support this claim. I'm open to withdraw my nomination if anyone can prove that the award was notable and provide some reliable sources but for now it fails WP:MUSICBIO and general notability guideline GSS (talk|c|em) 05:53, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 12:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Porvata[edit]

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In Polish sourcers this god are didn't figure. This is fake. Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 10:00, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 12:19, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Surround (post-production)[edit]

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Fails WP:CORP - TheMagnificentist 14:56, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Balant odia[edit]

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This is very difficult, like an AfD I created yesterday, this has no English language sources, and has no Odia script of 'Balant odia', making it very hard for me or anyone else to find sources. I cannot read Odia, and I suspect that many readers cannot either, and GTranslate cannot translate that language yet. Thus delete, if we are stuck in this situation (because it fails WP:GNG) or keep if a miracle can happen, and someone who knows Odia comes along and finds some good sources for this. My name isnotdave (talk/contribs) 08:42, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. SoWhy 10:34, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Autobahn Police Simulator[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Topic lacks significant coverage from reliable secondary sources. The1337gamer (talk) 09:36, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Source 1 is a wordpress blog with no indication of editorial oversight or policy. Source 2 is authored by BIGJIM (experienced user), which implies it is not written by staff member. These two don't seem like reliable sources. The ComputerBild article seems useful and reliable, however one reliable source isn't enough. --The1337gamer (talk) 09:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Source 1 uses wordpress as an engine, but seems to be a legitimate game journalism site. The second source is a review by an 'experienced user' (whatever that title means), yes, but the site does not seem to allow self publishing so it must have been approved by the editorial team (i.e. editorial oversight), borderline but acceptable for a non-controversial article like this. — InsertCleverPhraseHere 10:23, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Source 1 is not a legitimate game journalism site. Their About Us page says that it is a community gaming site: https://inthegame.nl/wie-zijn-wij/. There is no indication that they have professional writers or an editorial team. User generated content is generally unacceptable. I don't agree that we should be accepting user generated articles as reliable sources to bolster a game's notability. Just because the site allows self-publishing, this does not imply that it is approved by an editorial team. WP:SPS. --The1337gamer (talk) 10:33, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In any case, here are two additional sources[31] [32]. I'll remove the disputed ones if you like as we have better. Edit: although please note that source 2 does not count as user generated content unless the site allows reviews to be posted without passing by the editorial board (i.e. like a forum), which does not seem to be the case at that particular site. Though I could be wrong as I am relying on G translate. — InsertCleverPhraseHere 10:36, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh here are a couple more [33] [34]. Also in Eurogamer.de that they had a presentation at Gamescom [35]. A mention in journaldugeek.com [36]. The list goes on. No not all the sources are awesome, but it speaks to the main point: it meets GNG. — InsertCleverPhraseHere 10:52, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. There's a clear consensus here to not keep this as a stand-alone article. Normally, I would be willing to stretch things to go with the suggested merge, with a nod to WP:ATD. But from some of the comments here, this is more of a WP:V issue than it is WP:N, and WP:V really is a bright line requirement, so I'm going with the straight delete.

It's possible a new article (or a new section of L. Ron Hubbard) could be written on this topic, but it would need better sourcing, and possibly a change in slant as proposed by User:Icewhiz. If somebody wants to try doing that, my suggestion (and it's only a suggestion) would be to write it in draft space and ping the participants in this AfD for their input. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:39, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Old Tom (medicine man)[edit]

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There is no historical significance to this article and it is questionable if this individual ever existed. Calvinwhitehurst (talk) 07:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:23, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Audrey Juma[edit]

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fails WP:BIO and WP:PROF. an unremarkable career, being awarded a USAID grant hardly advances notability. could not find any extensive coverage of her. gnews comes up with a lot of hits from Malawi where a namesake has been commenting on wildlife articles. LibStar (talk) 06:31, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 10:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bayshore Broadcasting[edit]

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Small radio broadcasting company whose operations are limited to a single region, and not reliably sourced as the only references here are a Facebook post and two CRTC decisions. Companies require sufficient coverage to satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH, but none is present here. Bearcat (talk) 05:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. SoWhy 10:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Olisa Odele[edit]

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Fails WP:Actor and GNG Rayman60 (talk) 04:21, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. SoWhy 10:20, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Angela Trusty[edit]

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I have to admit I hate nominating this article for deletion. I created this article, and in the past I helped it survive a speedy deletion (or maybe prod deletion) attempt. Wikipedia lacks adequate numbers of article on women involved in writing, adequate number of articles on African-American women, especially African-American Mormon women. The fact that my fiancee is an African-American Mormon woman makes me not want to delete any articles on people who are such. However I also firmly believe that we need to limit our coverage to people who meet notability guidelines. While when I created this article I though Trusty met notability guidelines, I have come to have a better understanding of the guidelines since then. The article is too dependent on staff bios from her employers, which are not independent, reliable 3rd party sources. My search for more sources turned up nothing helpful. I did find an interview on the blog podcast SistasinZion, but that probably does not rise to the level of a reliable source. There is just not enough to show that Trusty is notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I apologize for my hasty generalization but my point being Mr. Lambert that the Deseret News is partially owned by the LDS Church and whose publications mostly fall in line with their teachings. There is nothing notable at all with being an journalist (Mormon or not) with Deseret News by itself. If she was involved with the publication a noteworthy story or had any articles written about her than she would be notable. Inter&anthro (talk) 16:35, 29 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:23, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Blueprint Registry[edit]

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Not notable. Almost all the references are just mentions of the company i The NYTimes article barely mentions it,i n an article about the line of business. Forbes ditto, and also /Entrepreneur m, judging by the title--I could not identify the article. GeekWire is a classic promotional article, and reads just like a press release. The article in the Seattle Times is a local article about a local company. DGG ( talk ) 03:35, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — fortunavelut luna 15:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

French Quarter, Philadelphia[edit]

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This isn't a neighborhood. In 1999, some people tried half-heartedly to pretend it was. Now nobody does. TypoBoy (talk) 03:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:23, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bidisha Bezbaruah[edit]

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Delete: insufficiently notable as actress; tragic circumstances of her death cannot and do not confer notability. Not a fansite also relevant here. Quis separabit? 03:17, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) LibStar (talk) 04:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Serbian Museum of Corfu[edit]

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fails WP:ORG. I found nothing in Greek or English for this museum names. the foreign language versions of this article either have primary sources or one source only. LibStar (talk) 02:25, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2nd source is a primary source, 3rd source is a 1 line mention in a book, 4th source is a travel guide, 5th appears to be 1 mention in a whole book. LibStar (talk) 03:27, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What about the other seven nine sources I added? Dr. K. 03:45, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. North America1000 00:50, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

W. C. Riley[edit]

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Delete: does not appear to meet threshold for notability under SPORTS or ATHLETE.
Also, delete W.C. Riley (redirect) Quis separabit? 02:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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@Paulmcdonald : "we almost always find that any head college football coach who has coached for a few seasons achieves notability through WP:GNG" -- really? Will check out WP:CFBCOACH and WP:CFBWEST as per your suggestion but am not withdrawing nomination [yet, anyway]. Need to hear from more editors. Quis separabit? 11:33, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't expect you to withdraw your nomination, the discussion is always valuable and makes Wikipedia better. Let it run its course.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:41, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 12:17, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RKSV Nuenen[edit]

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Redirected, since it is a non-notable amateur club which meets neither WP:GNG or WP:ORG. Redirect was reverted with the rationale it clearly met WP:FOOTYN, although their is no indication that this club ever played for the national cup. Onel5969 TT me 01:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Italian supercentenarians. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Giuseppina Projetto[edit]

Non-notable supercentenarian. Should be redirected to the list of Italian supercentenarians. RightGot (talk) 01:31, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 09:00, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Danilo Kocevski[edit]

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Not sure if this person is notable per either WP:BIO or WP:PROF - or not notable per Wikipedia standards. References don't seem to indicate significant coverage in reliable sources when translated via Google translate or otherwise. However, I discovered on World Cat (please see link [37]) a list of books apparently authored by this person. Looking for input to either delete or keep. Steve Quinn (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of breakfast cereals per ATD-R. Clear consensus that at this point it has not been established that the subject is sufficiently notable for its own entry. The only argument against the redirect was that the search engine will find it anyway, however, redirects are not only for searching but also for linking and it's doubtful that any user will find the list when trying to link to the cereal. Also, leaving the history in place allows interested editors to try and create a better article that might actually pass GNG. SoWhy 09:18, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Grahams[edit]

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There is nothing encyclopedic to say about this brand; nothing for people to learn from. Wikipedia is not a directory, where every consumer product needs an article to be listed, on the basis that the product exists. Jytdog (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2017 (UTC) (redact Jytdog (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Have had many a bowl. Jytdog (talk) 01:06, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. No more comments from me. Nyttend (talk) 01:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Am not opposed to this being in a list somewhere. I don't see the need for a redirect; as crappy as our search engine is, it will find it if somebody searches for it. Jytdog (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The problem isn't whether it's still on the shelves or not; things that went defunct a thousand years ago or more still get Wikipedia articles if they can be sourced as significant — Pangaea, for example, does not still exist today and is about 300 million years older than any breakfast cereal, but it's still sourceable as noteworthy. The key issue, which no article ever gets an exemption from for any reason whatsoever, is reliable sourcing that properly supports the notability claim. Bearcat (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Changed my "keep" to mere "comment" - agree with Bearcat. So ... get busy, fellas. I see a lot articles out there on tons of stale old cereal needing a good deleting. Cheers! Maineartists (talk) 22:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I searched my library too and here is the kind of dreck I found:
  • Golden Grahams bars go king-size. Professional Candy Buyer. 16.5 (September-October 2008): p74., the entirety of which is (minus the picture): "GENERAL MILLS INC. offers Golden Grahams Treats, king-size cereal bars exclusively available at c-stores in two varieties: chocolate marshmallow and peanut butter chocolate. The items ship in 12-ct sleeves and have a SRP of $1.19. Circle No. 203 On Reader Reply Card."
  • Kellogg Goes Crackers; Kellogg Faces Battle Over Breakfast Table as Cereal Partners Launches Golden Grahams. Hoggan, Karen. Marketing; London (May 2, 1991): 4. (about battle between Kellogg and Cereal Partners for UK breakfast cereal market!)
  • General Mills is converting all its Big G cereals--including such brands as Trix, Golden Grahams, Lucky Charms, Rice Chex and Cheerios--to whole grain. Megan Rowe. Food Management. 39.13 (Dec. 2004): p56. The entirety of which (minus the picture) is "GENERAL MILLS is converting all its Big G cereals--including such brands as Trix, Golden Grahams, Lucky Charms, Rice Chex and Cheerios--to whole grain. Big G breakfast cereals made with whole grain will be available this winter and continuing into 2005. In taste tests, 9,000 consumers liked the new versions as much as or better than the existing cereal recipes. For more, check out www.generalmillsfoodservice.com Circle 108"
  • Research Notes: INNOVATION IS LIMITED TO BRAND EXTENSIONS da Costa, Ruth. Grocer; (Feb 14, 2004): 46. Abstract: "Kellogg's launches have included Special K, Fruit 'n' Fibre and Nutri-Grain Minis. Cereal Partners have also used the same route in the form of Cheerios, Golden Grahams and Nesquik cereal bars. Weetabix and McVitie's have also launched new products this year."
  • McTunes. Promo; (September 2002): 11. which says: "General Mills next month becomes the first cereal brand to offer on-pack DVDs. Through a partnership with Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment, Culver City, CA, more than eight million DVDs will be distributed via 20,000 retail locations. Consumers who buy two select Columbia DVDs will get one free by mail in a year-long program flagged on General Mills cereal packs. Among the Columbia titles offered on boxes of Cheerios, Honey Nut Cheerios, Lucky Charms, Golden Grahams, Honey Nut Chex, and Cinnamon Toast Crunch are Jim Henson's The Muppets and Jackie Chan films. General Mills, Minneapolis, handles in-house."
  • lots of false hits like: Golden Graham Dobkin, Matt. Harper's Bazaar; New York 3458 (Jan 2000): 74. which is about an opera singer named Susan Graham .
User:BU Rob13 you can consider yourself double-dog dared to create an encyclopedia article that people could actually learn something from, and not just a string of commercial dreck that adds up to a steaming pile of "INNOVATION IS LIMITED TO BRAND EXTENSIONS" nothingness. And don't forget to Circle 108! Or is it 203. Oh drat I forget. Jytdog (talk) 06:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There certainly is a lot of dreck. I waded through it, as one is meant to do when doing a WP:BEFORE search. For an example of what coverage I found significant:
  • 3 General Mills roster agencies pitch Golden Grahams account, Michael McCarthy and Trevor Jensen, ADWEEK Eastern Edition. 38.34 (Aug. 25, 1997): p3.
  • General Mills Moving Golden Grahams Back to DDB Needham, Trevor Jensen and Michael McCarthy, ADWEEK Midwest Edition. 38.44 (Nov. 3, 1997): p5.
  • Golden Grahams to relaunch with spoof cult campaign, Marketing Week; London23.29 (Aug 31, 2000): P. 6.
  • Kellogg Goes Crackers; Kellogg Faces Battle Over Breakfast Table as Cereal Partners Launches Golden Grahams, Hoggan, Karen. Marketing; London (May 2, 1991): 4.
All articles focus on the business and marketing aspects of Golden Grahams specifically, not all cereals under one company umbrella like the articles you quoted. The last one is probably the most significant. It takes up about 1.5 full pages in a newspaper and covers the brand's entry into the UK quite extensively as well as the success of the brand in the US. It could definitely be used to expand this article. Your "people could actually learn something from" standard is extremely subjective. You appear to think cereal is trivial and therefore doesn't get an article. That's just not true. Notability is determined by available sources, not the state of the article, and definitely not your opinion of what's encyclopedic (see WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC). I may circle back to improve this article, but I'm not going to do a huge rewrite two weeks before a major exam that will determine whether or not I stay in my PhD program... ~ Rob13Talk 06:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No that is not what I think. And I expect an admin to do better than making assumptions about other people think, much less write that. In any case I am sorry that you think our mission is not to generate articles that people learn from.... and I wonder what you think this is all for. You can give that some thought in breaks from your PhD work. Good luck with that work! (and I mean that.) And you can pick up my dare and re-create this when you get time. Jytdog (talk) 06:54, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I said the criterion you're going by is subjective, not wrong. We're obviously here to compile information so people can learn. The article as it stands already compiles information people can learn from in my opinion - that there is a brand of cereal with certain characteristics and a particular history. Based on your comments, you don't think learning that is "learning", which is why I said what I did. The article could have more information, but Wikipedia is a work in progress. Not all articles are going to yield the answers to life's great mysteries (though world hunger ... you never know). Documenting a significant brand is worthwhile in the opinions of many. ~ Rob13Talk 07:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Really? This page in WP has been a steaming pile of advertising shit since it was created in 2005 with the words "good stuff". I would say that is 12 years of evidence that nobody (yet) thinks it is worthwhile to document the history of this particular brand. In my own BEFORE (and yes I did a search, I write as I spit on your shoes), what I found was "INNOVATION IS LIMITED TO BRAND EXTENSIONS" nothingness. This is going to be deleted, and if you decide to give several hours of your own precious life to culling through sources and rehearsing a history of mundane marketing strategies to re-create this, your claim of "worthwhile"-ness might have been proven true. Of course you might find it to have been a complete waste of your time.
I will not be responding here further, as I have already given too much time to this. Jytdog (talk) 07:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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