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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Limbo (2004 film)[edit]

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Non notable film with no independent 3rd party reviews. Donaldd23 (talk) 23:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete . Academic Challenger (talk) 18:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reel Horror[edit]

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Non notable film with one questionable review. PROD was removed because "Ross Hagen is notable", but notability isn't inherited. Director is notable, but is film? Donaldd23 (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete . Academic Challenger (talk) 18:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nate McMurray[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL. Compositionally identical to the 2018 article, except for one section. scope_creepTalk 23:18, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Academic Challenger (talk) 18:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whitton, Illinois[edit]

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GNIS stub with no evidence of notability. Historic aerials and topos show there was never more than a handful of buildings here, and there's no sources available to establish notability. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep "Roland was born on July 10, 1922, the son of George F. and Laura E. (Beckett) Unangst in Whitton, Illinois" [1]. (from what looks like the findings of fact in a legal case - hard to tell the context because of snippet view) "That the branch of petitioner's railroad running between Aurora, Kane County, and the Twin Cities of St. Paul and Minneapolis, passes through and serves an unincorporated community in Hanover Township, Jo Daviess County, known as Whitton; that said community contains a population of approximately 40 persons. [2]. Since Whitton was at one time regarded as a community, and as a place at least one person was from, it passes WP:GEOLAND as a (once-)populated place that is/was recognized as a community. −−− Cactus Jack 🌵 23:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of note; I did try to search census records from the early 1900s, presuming there was population to be reported. I ran into problems with spellings of the name, and conflicts with similarly named places (ex; Wheaton, Illinois). My search was inconclusive. --Hammersoft (talk) 19:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Modèle 1978 helmet[edit]

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Article does not give third-party source and none can be found. Possible failure of general notability guidelines. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 22:28, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lauren Barrett[edit]

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Non notable actress, Found this one-bit mention but other than that nothing, Fails NACTOR & GNG –Davey2010Talk 22:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Noting that User:Xannir has been blocked for sockpuppetry. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Snoboy, Fremont, California[edit]

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Yet another GNIS stub with no evidence of notability and no sources to be found. It appears to have been a railroad siding without even a station to its name. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hungry (Fergie song)[edit]

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Not notable per WP:NSONGS as it did not chart, nor did it receive sufficient coverage independent of the parent album. Additionally the information could be and is largely already sufficiently covered at the album's page. ≫ (Lil-Unique1) -{ Talk }- 22:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Thanks for the reminder Aoba47, I am aware that chart placement isn't a deciding factor necessarily however many of the sources listed above and already in the article speak about the existence of the song or the music video. This coverage could be neatly and succinctly on the album's page. As another indicator why this may not be notable, according to the page views analysis, it receives on average 8 views per day compared to the album which receives an average of 282 views per day. In terms of where people are more likely to be informed about the topic, its likely to be the album page. ≫ (Lil-Unique1) -{ Talk }- 08:36, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the response. I would slightly push back against the part that the above sources only cover "the existence of the song or the music video", as some do talk about the song's lyrics and sound and provide critical commentary. However, I will leave any further discussion to other editors. Page views are not really relevant to a conversation on notability. Aoba47 (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Smallman[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO. The Seattle Times article is about the school, not the subject. The other sources are self-generated or dead links. No SIGCOV on Google. Rogermx (talk) 22:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. North America1000 00:48, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trisha Silvers[edit]

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Fails WP:BIORELATED. Lettlerhello 21:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Consensus that she passes WP:NARTIST, despite COI concerns. (non-admin closure) Devonian Wombat (talk) 10:27, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Savedge[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:NARTIST. Cursory check on Google news returns one trivial mention, and scholar.google.com returns a number of articles with trivial mentions. Nothing significant by the subject. Article was created by a contributor with connection to Richmond Artists Association. Article subject as well as the contributor have both served as the president for RAA. Graywalls (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Museums sometimes do not have the money to get all the metadata for the objects they hold into searchable digital form. For example if they pay someone $25 an hour to digitize material, and they have 1000 objects that take two hours each, then that is $50,000. See this source from July 2017. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Graywalls: Several is two or more: we have the Chrysler Museum and VMFA both sourced in the article. Plus lots of Google books mentions.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:51, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I once suggested we change that from several to "two or more", but it was pointed out that it was intentionally vague to prevent gaming the system. Anyway, she is in two confirmed collections and therefore meets WP:ARTIST.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I agree she's been in VMFA's permanent Collection. I see it in Chrysler Museum: https://chrysler.org/chrysler-museum-shakes-up-contemporary-collection/ and https://chrysler.org/exhibition/remix-redux/. Can you enlighten me if this is permanent collection? Graywalls (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Graywalls: "From ancient art to works from the modern masters, our permanent collection rivals that of any American museum."ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • comment so I'm not firmly insisting a position for deletion at this point; however I do challenge the line of argument that appearing in an inventory of liquidation or estate sale of this nature automatically gives a Wikinotable cred to anyone and everyone who appears in an inventory list. This bankruptcy auction was notable, because of some notable contents. I would argue that it would be hinging in inherited notability, which for orgs/companies is explicitly denounced, however, other notability guidelines are silent on. This could merit further discussion elsewhere. Graywalls (talk) 18:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I see where you are coming from. All other !keep voters have basically agreed that the two collections (VMFA and Chrysler Museum) mean she meets WP:NARTIST. This is in line with established criteria that we apply all the time for artists. So objecting to that is to some degree rejecting established criteria. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:07, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was suggesting that based on the above, the Polaroid Collection should not be part of the consideration. Graywalls (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Technically it could be, as she was in the collection once, making three collections ("once notable, always notable"). But even without it she meets the "several notable collections" guideline of WP:ARTIST.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Vexations: My thoughts exactly.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Deleted per G5 by Ponyo (non-admin closure). Whpq (talk) 17:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shaji Thumpechirayil[edit]

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The original articel was a copy of the subject's Facebook page and has since been hidden via revdel. The remaining stub is refbombed with unreliable sources, music streaming services and directory listings. Of all the references, only [6] and [7] might be considered for establishing notability, but the coverage is not substantial. Whpq (talk) 20:48, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. As a historical note, this is the last article in the once-enormous Orphaned articles from February 2009 category. May it rest in pieces. ♠PMC(talk) 01:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

St. Luke's House[edit]

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Seems to be a WP:MILL health service provider. I can't find anything besides passing mentions in any WP:RS. Nothing for Cornerstone Montgomery either, the company St. Luke's House merged into. Mbdfar (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of European dust devils and dust devil outbreaks[edit]

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These events are simply not notable. They typically do very little damage (see this pic of the very limited extent of the damage for the March 2020 dust devil listed in the article.) I'd be surprised if these even made the local news. Pichpich (talk) 20:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:13, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Flesh (musician)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Not the easiest name to search for, but even in conjunction with the names of various releases there doesn't appear to be any coverage of this artist in reliable third-party sources. Current sources are the artist's own Bandcamp and Soundcloud sites and the YouTube channel of his record label, and there doesn't seem to be anything better than this online. Richard3120 (talk) 20:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, thank you for bringing up the suggestion to delete the article. Granted, Flesh is not the most covered artist in history. I didn't know the standard for how notability is measured on Wikipedia (I understand it better now). When I created the article, I thought that several million views on one platform alone in theory warranted a dedicated article for the artist, especially given that comments have been left on the artist's music videos requesting additional information. Of course, this is not the same as third-party coverage. That said, now may indeed not necessarily be the best time to include this article in the main namespace for the reason you mentioned. I'd be happy to hear any other thoughts on the matter. Thanks again for reviewing! Thraex64 (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Thraex64, pretty much any artist nowadays can get millions of views on YouTube, so it's not really anything out of the ordinary. Per WP:NOTDIR and WP:INDISCRIMINATE, Wikipedia isn't a place to just place album track listings just to provide information without context – there are plenty of other sources like Amazon or iTunes or Discogs which provide this service. Richard3120 (talk) 21:04, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Richard3120, understood- thanks again. Perhaps the current content can serve as a basis for a future article should the need for it arise. Sorry for the trouble, feel free to delete the article as I don't know how to.
No problem – you can read WP:MUSICBIO for the notability requirements and WP:RS to understand what kind of sources are required for an article. You can keep the content in the sandbox section in your user page to work on it there, or as a draft article, but if it's in draftspace it will be deleted after six months if you haven't worked on it. The AfD will run its course and the article will be deleted once it's completed. Richard3120 (talk) 21:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi DOOMSDAYER520, thank you for your input. The lack of coverage certainly didn't go unnoticed when I created the article. However given that some articles about related artists seem to be based almost entirely (if not entirely) on self-promoted sources or a type of circular-reporting, I wanted to give it a try as I've looked for the article myself on Wikipedia (and no doubt have other people). But in principle I agree that it doesn't meet the requirements to be in the main namespace at this time. In the meantime, the draft can be developed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Flesh_(musician) Thraex64 (talk) 21:44, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Remember that Wikipedia is an all-volunteer site, so if there are other articles with the same deficiencies as this one, that merely means that nobody has noticed them yet. If you happen to see an article that is propped up with unreliable sources, you could try to improve it or even nominate it for deletion yourself. Sorry your attempt at an article for this musician isn't working out, but you are already contributing. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 23:28, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's certainly unlikely to go unnoticed and that's a good thing. To be fair I haven't found any articles that would perfectly meet the criteria for deletion as I understand it but then again I'm relatively new to editing. Thanks again in any case! Thraex64 (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Extraordinary People (2003 TV series). Nothing notable to merge. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Girl Whose Muscles are Turning to Bone[edit]

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I am unable to locate reliable sources for this documentary film, an article which is the product of student editing. The article does not seem to meet NFILM or GNG. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 03:50, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bikini Royale[edit]

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Non notable film with no coverage as to why it should have its own article. Donaldd23 (talk) 20:16, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to A Star Is Born (2018 film). (non-admin closure)  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 19:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson Maine[edit]

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The article does not contain enough information that are not already present in the articles List of accolades received by A Star Is Born (2018 film) and A Star Is Born (2018 film). The main part of this article, the 'Character arc' section is basically the summary of the whole movie. Sricsi (talk) 18:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to A Star Is Born. KidAd (talk) 00:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:05, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Lloyd (DJ)[edit]

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Non-notable local radio presenter. Article doesn't meet WP:GNG criteria. More like a CV than an article - Funky Snack (Talk) 17:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Unanimously, if one ignores - as I have done - the wall of text by VirtualSwayy. Sandstein 10:00, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Imagined interaction[edit]

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Non-notable behavioural theory, once you look past the obvious COI editing. Fails WP:GNG on the following points:

  1. Significant coverage, so that original research is not required: Significant coverage does not exist (not even mentions on popsci sites, which is a low bar). We cannot write about the topic without doing original research, extracted from sources (ie the original paper, and derivatives thereof) written by the author.
  2. Reliable: failed
  3. Secondary sources: non-existent
  4. Independent of subject: It's either discussed by the author(s), or by parties directly linked to the authors (same department at the same university). Not independent.

WP:GNG certainly fails here. Also see AfD on the author: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/James M. Honeycutt. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Please remove the non-notability deletion flag on this article

... and please forgive any errors I made in the process or formatting of this comment. I've never edited a wiki before and made an account specifically to object to this deletion.(here and on Honeycutt's personal page linked above page). I may not be an SPA forever, but I guess it's fair to call me that now. I am a much younger communication professor that teaches this guy's theories in multiple courses (as do lots of others). If I have a COI, it is simply that I object to the gross mischaracterizations made here (one example of many detailed below is "no reliable sources" including the study published in the top journal in the field of communication and a book that won the distinguished book award from the top academic association of this discipline.) VirtualSwayy (talk) 01:29, 21 June 2020 (UTC)


THIS THEORY IS CLEARLY NOTABLE BASED ON WIKIPEDIA GUIDELINES WP:GNG
Flagging this for deletion based on notability is completely without merit and would set a precedent for ridiculous applications of the notability guidelines which would go FAR beyond "what wiki is not: a collection of random information" and reduce Wikipedia to nothing more than the small portion of theories in any given field which are the most popular. Deleting this topic would harm many communication undergraduate and graduate students, the majority of whom are required to learn this in a Comm Theory course. See, for example, this widely used textbook by Communication super-star Leslie Baxter, in which Honeycutt's Imagined interaction Theory comprises an entire chapter. (<--- a secondary source; see below).


1. Significant coverage: PASSED.
A wealth of clear evidence of significant coverage exists. The Wiki itself cites 20+ publications across MULTIPLE PEER-REVIEWED JOURNALS Many more (141 publications + 7 books cited 4100+ times) can be found with a university library search, including a lengthy Entry in the INTERNATIONAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF COMMUNICATION, the flagship academic encyclopedia in the field (<--- a secondary source; see below).
This topic CLEARLY meets the significant coverage and OR requirements, which specifically state: "Primary sources may or MAY NOT be independent sources... a scientific paper documenting a new experiment conducted BY THE AUTHOR is a primary source". Exactly like the majority of the 141 peer-reviewed publications listed on this authors CV; social scientific research studies. The reliability guidelines specifically say "PRIMARY SOURCES that have been reputably published MAY BE USED in Wikipedia" and that they are "are often accounts written by people who are directly involved." That guideline is common sense, if Wikipedia were to prohibit sources which are "the original paper, and derivatives thereof", as the flag says, that literally would exclude every scientific theory in every field, because ALL good research is derivative of the original. Academic papers have literature reviews specifically to link a given study to previous studies as a replication, an extension, an or an improved research design, for example.

2.Reliable: PASSED.
The flag simply says "failed" which is not an actual argument. However, the reliability guidelines are also clearly met. It is comical to say these are unreliable! They guidelines state that "an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable, where the material has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources". So, here are but a few examples: This article in HCR, a well respected journal, won top paper when it was presented at NCA in 2012, this book won distinguished book of the year in 2006, also from NCA, the top acdemic association/conference in the United States for this discipline. In 2015, this study on imagined interactions was published in THE most prestigious journal in the field of communication. I could go on and on presenting evidence here, but then I would get accused of bludgeoning.

He meets this criteria in another totally independent way, not just the general notability, but this meets a context specific reliability criteria. Scholarship specific reliability guidelines say that we can "confirm that discussion of the source has entered mainstream academic discourse by checking what scholarly citations it has received in citation indexes. He has [4100+ citations on Google Scholar!!] That's a lot in this discipline. A lot! I give a detailed analysis of why this is a lot on the personal Honeycutt page linked above.

3.Secondary sources: PASSED.
Again, the flag simply says "failed", and again, that's not an actual argument. Although many more exist, above I linked two secondary sources, the ENCYCLOPEDIA and the TEXTBOOK. They are clearly reliable under the reliability guidelines, which make plain that a researcher who publishes primary research can ALSO author their own secondary sources: [Secondary does not mean "independent" or "uninvolved".]. Wikipedia guidelines bolded that, not me! The guidelines make it clear that the EDITORIAL PROCESS ALONE CAN ESTABLISH RELIABIITY REGARDLESS OF AUTHORSHIP, which is why the guidelines say AGAIN, on the page for secondary sources, as context specific as you can get, that "[sources are not necessarily independent sources]" THE EDITORS OF THESE SECONDARY SOURCES SHOULD BE BEYOND REPROACH. The encyclopedia is published by ICA (THE TOP academic association for the discipline worldwide), and is "edited by an international team of the world's best scholars and teachers" The textbook, published by SAGE and edited by Leslie Baxter, a distinguished scholar of NCA as well as a Distinguished Professor at Iowa. who is held in extremely high regard by scholars in this discipline.

4. Independent of subject: PASSED.
The independence standard is clearly met. The guidelines exclude citing works that are a) "produced by the article's subject" or b) "someone affiliated with it". Clearly, a) can't be violated because the subject of the article is a theory and theories don't produce works. The standard in a) isn’t applicable to theories and is meant to disallow things like Bubba’s’s Auto Shop using it’s own press release that says it’s “internationally known” as evidence of notability. Also, b) is also not violated, because the guideline isn't intended to prevent citing works of researchers that are "affiliated with" the theories they research (which all researchers would be if “affiliated with” was construed to include “published on”). The standard in b) is intended to limit things like "advertising, press releases, autobiographies, and the subject's website" as stated in the examples in the GNG:independence guidelines. Here the subject is an academic theory, so let's use an academic theory as an example; the Wikipedia page on the subject of "Evolution". Can we use Darwin? Not according to this deletion flag, Darwin is clearly "associated with" evolution so the standard the flag uses would disallow Darwin. What about establishing notability with something more modern, by citing H. Alan Orr, widely published on genetic adaptation? Nope. He is also "associated with" evolution so the standard the flag uses would disallow him as well, and so on, and so on, until we exclude every published expert on evolution from being used to establish that evolution meets the notability guidelines. Clearly, b) does not preclude citing James Honeycutt on the theory he published on for decades any more than it would exclude citing Darwin on evolution, and Darwin, or Orr, could write a review article that could be a secondary source for evolution, becasue AS LONG AS THE EDITORIAL PROCESS IS SOUND RESEARCHERS ARE ALLOWED TO AUTHOR THEIR OWN SECONDARY SOURCES. The guidelines literally say it in bold as the link above shows. Furthermore, as discussed above, this article’s many primary sources, which are published in reputable peer-reviewed journals, meet the OR guidelines, which specifically state: "Primary sources may or MAY NOT be independent sources... a scientific paper documenting a new experiment conducted by the author is a primary source". VirtualSwayy (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2020 (UTC)VirtualSwayy (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

These are responses to the comments below. It is collapsed to avoid the appearance of bludgeoning, but it contains relevant discussion nonetheless.

MANY MORE LINKS TO SECONDARY & PRIMARY SOURCES NOT AUTHORED BY HONEYCUTT! (scroll to bottom)

VirtualSwayy (talk) 01:37, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


REPLY TO: Delete a muddy mess. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC),
Delete. Xxanthippe couldn't have said it better: a muddy mess. – Majavah talk · edits 17:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Delete - The topic is probably notable, but significant portions of the article are incomprehensible. This is one of the clearer cases where an article should be blown up and started over. The collapsed argument by the SPA and the article have more or less the same quality. This does not mean that the SPA is a suckpoppet, but it may mean that the topic attracts this sort of rhetoric. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)


Let's just group these three because they are all the same. They are unexplained "votes" in the truest sense of the word. (2nd one is literally just a ditto).

  1. All of these completely punt on the issue that was flagged, notability. Hell, one flat out concedes it. Deletion for an unflagged issue violates the discussion period requirement. participants can't choose to comment on a new issue brought up late in the discussion.
  2. None of these reference ANY specific guideline that is violated and so the claims impossible to objectively judge against a wiki criteria.
  3. None of these reference ANY portion of the page so we are forced to imagine what the violation might be. This is presumably why the admin instructions say "valid arguments citing relevant guidelines will be given more weight than unsupported statements"
  4. None of these "consider alternatives to deletion" as the admin instructions ask. Alternatives are especially important here, because...

MOST IMPORTANTLY, DELETION IS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE. MESSY/UNCLEAR CONTENT IS NOT ONE OF THE CLEARLY ENUMERATED REASONS FOR DELETION [[8]].

Rebuttal to: the flag says "discussed by the author(s), or by parties directly linked to the authors (same department at the same university). Not independent."

This flag isn't even factually accurate. Even briefly Googling these authors shows that several of them are at different universities. For example, Honeycutt: LSU, Mapp: UL-Monroe, Ford: Chair at Montevallo, Keaton: Ashland University, Vickery: SUNY, Hample: Maryland, Hatcher: LA Tech, Madison: UL-Lafayette, Rold: Texas A&M. I stopped Googling there with a certainty this claim is false, but even if it weren’t, it would simply mean that the flag evidences a misunderstanding of how academic research and publication work. It is the norm for researchers in the same department to collaborate, and for Ph.D. students to publish on their advisor’s theories, both while they are students, and throughout their career as Professors.

Rebuttal to:The flag says "not even mentions(sic) on popsci sites"

Literally, so what? Why are "popsci sites" more definitive than textbooks, countless peer-reviewers and editors of multiple communication journals, and the edited, peer reviewed flagship academic encyclopedia of the discipline?

REPLY TO:*Comment - The argument by User:VirtualSwayy that "Deleting this topic would harm many communication undergraduate and graduate students" is nonsense. Either the topic is discussed in Communication Theory textbooks, or it is not discussed in Communication Theory textbooks. If it is discussed in the textbooks, it will still be in them after the article is deleted. If it is not in the textbooks, then it is outside the usual scope of study. If it is being studied because it is in Wikipedia but not in the textbooks, then it is original research, which is a misuse of Wikipedia, and is not notable. I have not reviewed whether the article should be kept. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:32, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

This is an obvious logical fallacy, called the forced-choice or either or fallacy. Things can be in textbooks AND ALSO students can benefit from supplement material, which is actually why supplementary material exist, you see? Wikipedia is usually quite accurate, at least in my discipline (communication). I don't allow citation to wikipedia in papers, but I encourage use of several wikipedia pages as supplements in intro comm. Also, there is no "IF" about it, its in textbooks, like the one I linked.— Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualSwayy (talkcontribs)

REPLY TO: Comment - At least one statement by User:VirtualSwayy is clearly true. They say that they created an account to object to the deletion. That is true. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


see Admin Instructions. "commenting on other users rather than the article is also considered disruptive." And... If a statement could be more than 100% irrelevant to the discussion, this would be. It demonstrates another fallacy (non-sequitur) while simultaneously demonstrating one of the most intellectually lazy rhetorical techniques that exits, paralipsis, where you imply that I made false statements, but you don't actually say it, so you don't have to make any actual argument.— Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualSwayy (talkcontribs)

REPLY TO: *Delete – this is based entirely on primary sources, and there don't appear to be any reliable, secondary sources that discuss this subject. Fails WP:GNG. – bradv🍁 01:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


Well if the ones I linked above didn't convince you, there are countless others, so...

HERE ARE MORE SECONDARY SOURCES ALL REPLUTABLE AND NOT BY HONEYCUTT:[edit]

  * This textbook not written by honeycutt
  * Another textbook not written by Honeycutt
  * This Encyclopedia Entry not written by Honeycutt
  * This book chapter not by honeycutt
  * This review by Jim Abbot of Honeycutt's award-winning book


HERE ARE MORE PRIMARY RESEARCH STUDIES NOT BY HONEYCUTT:[edit]

There are A LOT more since he has been cited 4100+ times, but here is a sampling including this

recent article in the NCA's most prestigious journal.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10417940903006057

https://search.proquest.com/openview/e3db9d4595a9fe3984b3459cb084d84e/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=2029838

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01463373.2011.597273

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1041794X.2014.939295

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0093650212438392

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/F760-0671-2402-K65N

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08934215.2014.936563

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1041794X.2012.726688

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4899-2623-4_15

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/IC.30.2.d

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/IC.32.1.c

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v53n03_04

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/IC.32.4.b

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0276236616683897

https://proa.ua.pt/index.php/jdmi/article/view/913

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1348/014466610X524263

REPLY: If a statement could be more than 100% irrelevant to the discussion, this would be. Thanks for lowering the bar even further with this 2 for 1. It demonstrates another fallacy (non-sequitur) while simultaneously demonstrating one of the most intellectually lazy rhetorical techniques that exits, paralipsis, where you imply that I made false statements, but you don't actually say it, so you don't have to make any actual argument.— Preceding unsigned comment added by VirtualSwayy (talkcontribs)
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The result was delete. See, mutatis mutandis, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Imagined interaction. Sandstein 10:04, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

James M. Honeycutt[edit]

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Non-notable academic, once you look past the obvious COI editing (most of which was cut down), for the following reasons:

Under WP:NPROF, only (1) or (5) could possibly apply. Analysing both:

  1. The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.: We do not need to consider the limitations of the former "broadly construed" part, because this individual's impact cannot be demonstrated by independent reliable sources (the 2nd condition).
  2. The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon.: Being "Professor Emeritus" simply means retired professor. His position is listed simply as "professor emeritus" on Louisiana State University's website: https://www.lsu.edu/hss/cmst/people/faculty/JHoneycutt.php -- no reliable sources to call him distinguished. So this criteria also fails.

On WP:GNG: we fail on significant coverage, secondary sources and independence of subject (the few books on the matter are all authored by him, or he's a key contributor).

We do not give every single lecturer and/or professor a Wikipedia article. The criteria to determine the cases where an article is warranted is not met in this case. Also see AfD for his theory: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Imagined interaction. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 17:49, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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PLEASE REMOVE THIS DELETION FLAG. IT DOESN"T EVEN PASS THE SNIFF TEST!

... and please forgive formatting or procedural errors. First day on wiki, I joined specifically bc I object to these two flags (here and on the theory page). I may not be an SPA forever, but I guess it's fair to call me that now. I am a much younger communication professor that teaches this guy's theories in multiple courses (as do lots of others). If I have a COI, it is simply that I object to the gross mischaracterizations made here (one example of many detailed below is "no reliable sources" including the study published in the top journal in the field of communication and a book that won the distinguished book award from the top academic association of this discipline.)

UNDER WP:NPROF, BOTH (1) AND (5) ARE MET.

As the flag correctly states, "Being "Professor Emeritus" simply means retired professor." So what logical gymnastics moves does one use to get from there, to where it ALSO means "not distinguished". When distinguished Professors retire they become... wait for it.... Professor Emeritus. But that's not the worst thing. The worst thing is...

YOU ARE NOT EVEN READING YOUR OWN "EVIDENCE" THAT YOU LINK!!! YOUR LINK clearly states he received the distinguished faculty award at LSU in 2012. This can be verified with the office of academic affairs' HERE. Just in case you don't think a distinguished faculty award makes you a "distinguished professor", let me clear that one up. It awards "sustained excellence" and carries with it a permanent salary increase.At LSU, an award with a salary increase is classified as a "designated honorific". Recipients of designated honorifics at LSU are unambiguously and explicitly considered "distinguished professors". You should actually READ my evidence. It's really, really good, and by "my evidence" I include your link, because every link here from both you and me supports James Honeycutt meeting NPROF(5). Nothing supports your claim. NADA!


THE END! THIS UNABILGOUSLY AND VERIFIABLY MEETS THE ONLY CONDITION THAT NEEDS TO BE MET, NPROF(5). Please Remove the deletion flag. VirtualSwayy (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]



FOR THE DECIDING ADMINISTRATOR (or anyone interested):

Here is a detailed analysis of other objections (quoting specific guidelines and presenting evidence-based arguments that the standard is met.

This is collapsed to avoid the appearance of bludgeoning, but it contains relevant discussion nonetheless. VirtualSwayy (talk) 07:11, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As the discussion policy indicates: "the conclusion is almost never reached by simply counting votes, as [strength of argument is also very important]. The strength of these thoughtfully argued replies should be evident in comparison to the "votes" they respond to. These "votes" assert evidence-free objections with brief buzzwords ("unreliable", , "fails", "borderline") accompanied by a non-specific link to a page full of numerous, specific, and varied criteria and I guess we are supposed to assume the buzzword inherently demonstrates a violation of one or more of them. The guidelines say "A "vote" that doesn't seem to be based on a reasonable rationale may be completely ignored or receive little consideration... It is important, therefore, to also explain why you are voting the way you are."

  1. significant impact: ->

Flag says: On WP:GNG: we fail on significant coverage, secondary sources and independence of subject (the few books on the matter are all authored by him, or he's a key contributor).


Doesn't even apply. This is flat out ignoring what BOTH GNG AND NPROF EXPLICITLY SAY, which is NPROF is "explicitly listed as an alternative to the general notability guideline" and that "A topic is presumed to merit an article if: (1) It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline" (like NPROF). QUOTE: "failure to meet either the general notability guideline or other subject-specific notability guidelines is IRRELEVANT if an academic is notable under this guideline." VirtualSwayy (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

REPLY TO: * Comment ...Google scholar puts his h-index at 34.... perception that large chunks of it were written by someone with a COI.(talk) 21:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

While this is overall irrelevant since (5) is met, it may be somewhat relevant under (1), but it doesn't seem definitive, or even terribly important given that the NPROF guidelines for impact don't place value on any particular metric. If h-index was important it would say so, because it does give general and specific notes regarding the many ways to establish impact, none of which include h-index. The general notes simply indicate the standard is impact above the "average professor", a low bar which the comments [[9]] indicate he has met. Even if you place stock in the H-index, hirsch himself said 20 was good and 40 was outstanding. 34 is well above good and closer to outstanding, so you don't have to do any math once you realize that if there are some professors with BAD scores (there are), even if the average professor has a good (or even above) score, it is highly unlikely that 34 would not beat the average, so even this comment would say don't delete, this criteria is met under the "average professor test" enunciated in the general notes to NPROF.

Additionally, NPROF specific notes for criteria 1 indicate that it can be met by by a substantial number of citations. He has over 4100 citations according to the link above, which is nowhere near average. It is very high for a communications researcher. Let's be generous and just dock him the 800 citations that seem weird on google scholar, bringing him to only (LOL) 3300+ citations, STILL way higher than anything an "average" professor will ever see. Here are some numbers to help you realize how much higher, put in terms of citations per article rather than a career total. 44% of publications are not cited AT ALL. Simply getting 10 citations puts you in the top quartile (top 24% actually). Honeycutt has THRITY-SIX ARTICLES OVER 25, AND TOO MANY TO COUNT IN THE TOP QUARTILE! He has 5 publications with over 100 citations, which puts a paper in the top 1.8% of papers.

Also, NPROF specific notes for criteria 1 include "contributing factors... significant academic awards and honors... may include, for example... awards by notable academic and scholarly societies". Among other awards Honeycutt has received BOTH the top article of the year award AND the distinguished book of the year award from the National Communication Association (NCA), the flagship association of the discipline for the United States (top article of the year TWICE). NCA has also awarded him top paper 12 different times. The International communication Association (ICA), the discipline's most prestigious association worldwide, has awarded him top paper 3 different times. That is so far above average that you can't even see average from up there. VirtualSwayy (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

REPLY TO: Delete – from the number of citations this is a very borderline WP:NPROF case.... lack of reliable sources....cannot be easily solved.... needs to be deleted per WP:TNT. 🍁 01:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

This is a non-specific evidence free assertion these citations lack reliability (I guess ALL of these many citations are unreliable? why are they unreliable? Maybe make an actual argument ab out the unreliability of just one or two?) In this case the [|reliability guidelines] are clearly met. They state specifically state that "article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community is regarded as reliable, where the material has been published in reputable peer-reviewed sources or by well-regarded academic presses. DO we have any articles in reputable peer-reviewed journals? Why yes we do! Comm Monographs is literally THE TOP JOURNAL in the discipline. Check! DO we have any, let's say, books that have been vetted by the scholarly community. Indeed! Distinguished book of the year award from the discipline's top scholarly association in the US. Check! Both are already cited on the wiki page. Need I go on? VirtualSwayy (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

REPLY TO: Delete per WP:TNT. While I think that the subject is probably marginally notable per WP:NPROF C1 and possibly C8 (although certainly not C5), the case doesn't look so strong per previous comments. The unreferenced mess that is the existing article would need complete reworking in order to be a useful article. Blow it up. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 12:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

There is nothing marginal about it! He IS a distinguished professor. It's an evidentiary slam dunk above! A bizarre reluctance to acknowledge that affects the credibility of your "unreferenced mess" arguments, since some may perceive it as an end-run around the slam dunk on notability.

UNREFERENCED? It has plenty of references. I address their reliability above and extensively on the [AfP page]. You literally say NOTHING about their unreliability. MESS? How? I see a introductory paragraph describing the who he is, very well delineated sections for his early education, later career, and his varied research interests, followed by sample lists of books, and then of peer-reviewed articles. It's an extraordinary claim to say that is such a "mess" it can't be fixed. VirtualSwayy (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is indeed odd that some of the GS entries do not contain his name as author. Xxanthippe (talk) 08:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]
I am changing my comment to delete, and have edited my top level statement to reflect that. Read through WP:TNT and that seems a good fit for the current incarnation of the article. Entirely independent of any conclusion about the underlying subject's notability either way. MoneciousTriffid (talk) 23:16, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
HERE IS A LONG LIST OF SECONDARY AND PRIMARY SOURCES NOT BY HONEYTCUTT.
This list is linked literally 10 lines of text above you, as well as linked in the very first post in this discussion, all were easily found via google. VirtualSwayy (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And... REFER TO ME BY MY USERNAME. "Affiliate" is a transparent and petty little attempt to assault my credibility, and an unfounded one. I disclosed my interest in this topic as the very first thing I wrote. You SHOULD be focused on the arguments rather than the user that posted them, but you will need to actually READ the discussion first.

Not only did you completely ignore the link to this list above (Quote: "It has plenty of references. I address their reliability above and extensively on the [AfP page].") but also you seem not to have read ANY of the discussion, OR the guidelines you link. IF you did you would know the reason this long list of sources is linked to another discussion. It's because the guidelines and the posts above both make it clear that in this discussion...

Your argument is COMPLETELY IRRELEVENT ACCORDING NPROF, which states that "Academics meeting any one of the following conditions... are notable" and there is 100% incontrovertible evidence at the top of this discussion, from the LSU Office of Academic Affairs that he was a distinguished professor, meeting NPROF (5). The plentiful sources below that you were "unable to find" pertain ONLY to the requirements of NPROF (1). Even if everyone conceded your argument, IT WOULD STILL BE IMPROPER TO DELETE THIS PAGE FOR NOTABILITY, EVEN IF NO SOURCES EXISTED.

HERE ARE MORE SECONDARY SOURCES ALL REPLUTABLE AND NOT BY HONEYCUTT:

  * This textbook not written by Honeycutt
  * Another textbook not written by Honeycutt
  * This Encyclopedia Entry not written by Honeycutt
  * This book chapter not by Honeycutt
  * This review by Jim Abbot of Honeycutt's award-winning book

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HERE ARE MORE PRIMARY RESEARCH STUDIES NOT BY HONEYCUTT:

There are A LOT more since he has been cited 4100+ times, but here is a sampling including this

recent article in the NCA's most prestigious journal.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10417940903006057

https://search.proquest.com/openview/e3db9d4595a9fe3984b3459cb084d84e/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=2029838

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01463373.2011.597273

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1041794X.2014.939295

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0093650212438392

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/F760-0671-2402-K65N

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08934215.2014.936563

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1041794X.2012.726688

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4899-2623-4_15

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/IC.30.2.d

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/IC.32.1.c

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v53n03_04

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2190/IC.32.4.b

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0276236616683897

https://proa.ua.pt/index.php/jdmi/article/view/913

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1348/014466610X524263


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:45, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ramada, California[edit]

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Yet another Sacramento Northern siding, now vanished into the orchard the line sliced through. Not a community of any sort. Mangoe (talk) 13:01, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Birdhouse Skateboards. (non-admin closure)  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 22:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Beginning (2007 film)[edit]

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Non notable film with no coverage as to why it should have its own article. Donaldd23 (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. While the article has needed work for a long time, and possibly may always, consensus is that it passes at least WP:GNG. Hzh has provided several great print sources. (non-admin closure) Ifnord (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Crab soccer[edit]

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This was the subject of an Afd discussion back in the early days of Wikipedia, and was kept on the basis of a large number of variations on "I can't personally find any sources but I'm sure they exist" and nothing even remotely based on policy, even the relatively laxer policies of that time. Thirteen years later, and the purported sources still consist of a Wikipedia page, a four-sentence entry in a Boy Scouts directory, a dead link, and a single paragraph in a blog entry from 2014. I've looked—hard—for anything approaching a reliable source; while I can find a fair few mentions on blogs and personal website, I'm literally finding nothing (on either Crab soccer or Crab football) that even remotely could be considered a source for Wikipedia's purposes.  ‑ Iridescent 16:51, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Craig-Morgan[edit]

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This article has somehow existed since November of 2005 and had a one source tag since 2009. However the one source is IMDb which does not meet the requirements of a reliable source. IMDb has obaque and clearly not working fact checking, and it seeks to cover everyone in what amounts to directory style, so it is not an indication of notability. Biographies of living people especially require a reliable source, but we do not have that here. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Stone[edit]

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The sourcing is very bad. Some of the link do not exist anymore (not even on wayback machine). But the real point is that there is nothing in the source that proves notability. I looked myself for better sourcing but i couldn't find anything that proves notability. not even searching his real name "Patrick Marano".AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 15:25, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Diesel Washington[edit]

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the sourcing of this article is one short article on Xbiz about him signing exclusive and the list of the winner of Hookies Award (definitely not an important prize). I searched some significant source myself but I couldn't find any. AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 15:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Pillory. (non-admin closure) buidhe 10:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pranger[edit]

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History

  1. This article was created on 9 July 2004 by user: Husnock. It had no sources — but that was not usual for articles created at that time.
  2. The ((1911)) was added 25 March 2006 by user:Fastifex
  3. The title parameter, "title=Pranger", was added on 7 May 2017 by user:DerbyCountyinNZ
  4. Today I am going through the backlog of ((EB1911)) and came to this article (Pranger) which is listed in "Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica without Wikisource reference"

As there currently is no German entry for this word (and it is a German word not an English one), there is no reason for English Wikipedia to have an an article under this name. Particularly as English language sources that mention it seem to not be certain whether it is best related to a "Scold's bridle" (EB1911) or the "Pillory" (The American Cyclopaedia: A Popular Dictionary of General Knowledge, Volume 13: Pillory).

This article was created with no sources and after 16 years there are still none (and no evidence that it is anything but a German term for something in English, so it is not a notable item in English), it is time it was deleted. PBS (talk) 14:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • What is notable about this a foreign word and how do you reckon that it is a different type of pillory? (people have been tied to a post and pilloried in many countries).PBS (talk) 12:49, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • What part of the unsourced text in "Pranger" do you recommend merging into "Pillory"? -- PBS (talk) 12:47, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 00:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

K.M. Akhtaruzzaman[edit]

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I just blocked the creator of this article for undisclosed paid editing. The article is terrible and might be nominated for G11 as well. Even if it turned out that the person was notable, the article as it stands is not acceptable. Note also that an article on the Akhtar Group, by the same creator, was deleted twice in 2015 for being promotional. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Patton[edit]

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Sourcing is irrelevant and there is nothing pointing toward notability. I searched for more sources and all I could find is that somehow spread the world that Mike Pence is a former porn star and got confused with Brad Patton and this is definitely not something relevant. AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:29, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • actually i also searched for sources about his skater career, with his real name, but I didn't find anything that would make any difference. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:54, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coylet Inn[edit]

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Reviewed as part of NPP. I kind of wanted to keep, this is the sort of article I like, but I can't see how it meets NBUILDING (for the building), NCORP as a business, or plain old GNG. Current sourcing is a 404 link to a commercial website, a listing in a directory, a brief mention in a local newspaper article about a fire at the building, and a brief mention in a local newspaper article about a spooky encounter at a hen do there. I've checked sites like Historic Environment Scotland and Canmore to see if they have anything, but all I could find was a passing mention in Canmore's description of the nearby (and similarly named) Coylet Hotel, a related but separate archaeological site. Can't find any better sourcing, so I can't find a route to notability. GirthSummit (blether) 13:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 05:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DSOGaming[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG / WP:NWEB. Non-notable gaming website, created by a possible WP:COI. (IceWelder, I've went through the proper channels). soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 01:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Guevara[edit]

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YouTuber (with 237k subscribers) that does not meet GNG. Eostrix (talk) 13:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Chester, South Carolina#Police. (non-admin closure) —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chester Police Department (South Carolina)[edit]

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Not enough for its own article. Merge to Chester, South Carolina. Fuddle (talk) 13:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was deleted as A10. (non-admin closure) —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 09:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of MasterChef Junior episodes[edit]

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Unnecessary list creation, all info is completely copied and pasted from the exact same information in the individual season articles. In addition no such list exists for the parent show MasterChef (American TV series). SanAnMan (talk) 12:32, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn. The nomination has been withdrawn. (non-admin closure) ~ Amkgp 💬 17:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SC-76 Thunderbolt[edit]

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Fails GNG. The one primary source used to cite this article is well short of RS, a google search found nothing attributable. Cavalryman (talk) 12:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn – notability established by FOARP. Cavalryman (talk) 14:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was no consensus, with no prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation.

Some notes: it seems unlikely that this film is a hoax, as evidenced by the film having a page on Rotten Tomatoes (here) (although there are no critic or audience reviews), and having received some coverage in some publications, such as Medium (here), despite this being essentially a reprinted press release. Furthermore, the article does not qualify for WP:G5 speedy deletion because it was created before its creator was found to be socking. Also, please note that these side notes are not an !vote within this closure. Rather, they are just notes to address some aspects of the nomination for deletion. North America1000 03:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dajjal: The Slayer and His Followers[edit]

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WP:HOAX and WP:NOTPROMO, no mention in any RS or verification that this film even exists. Created by the same sock farm that made the now twice AfD'd Rana Abrar (the director here) article. Other promotional articles (now deleted) for non-existent films by the same sock farm include: Son of Kashmir: Burhan, The Evil Marriage. A prod was removed without any improvement to the article (adding simply references to editable databases). I cannot find a single RS which reviews it or even verifies the existence of this film besides trailers. Gotitbro (talk) 13:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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These pages are being removed by those who are against the movie of another controversial film "Son of Kashmir: Burhan" which is also a very notable film as its news was aired on famous Pakistan and Indian News channels but it got removed out of animosity of those who opposes the topic of the film.

One can search about Dajjal Film and see its presence on media is very notable. A speedy deletion of this film has been rejected just a month ago which was made by the same person who is now putting it for deletion again and again.--JonnyK.2 (talk) 08:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheep Films[edit]

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Not a notable website. Wikieditor600 (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Tigris.org[edit]

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Not a notable website. Wikieditor600 (talk) 15:54, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Captain Galaxy (talk) 16:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sadochismo[edit]

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I only found about four sources for this album, and three of them were just lists of weird metal subgenres that used it as an example of Pornogrind. There was one album review in German but I’m not sure that’s enough to prove notability on its own. Dronebogus (talk) 04:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Somatosensory rehabilitation of pain[edit]

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This article was previously proposed for deletion on the basis that there wasn't a peer reviewed trial. Whilst that is not a good reason in its own right, there are a lack of appropriate sources for this technique. No textbooks in the field of pain management describe the technique, no sources from people who are not the article's author support the existence/common practice of the technique. Several of the claims are dubious or pseudoscientific, wikipedia seems to be a major outlet for the spread of the beliefs with no independent outlets. The main author of the page previously tagged each medical entry in neuropathic pain and created a host of other unreliable content with this dubious medical practice. The article describes original research and none has been removed over 9 years since the first objections raised about the page. PainProf (talk) 17:28, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Peer-reviewed open-access Official e-Journal of the Somatosensory Rehabilitation of Pain Network

Peer-reviewed open-access Official e-Journal of the Somatosensory Rehabilitation of Pain Network http://www.neuropain.ch/research/e-news The somatosensory Rehabilitation of Pain Network is a non-profit association.

The 64 issues of the past 17 years were written by some of the best experts in the world about neuropathic pain:

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Prof Bernadette NEDELEC, PhD, McGill University, Montreal, (Qc), Canada School of Physical and Occupational Therapy

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Prof David LE BRETON, Professeur de sociologie à l’université de Strasbourg. Membre de l’Institut Universitaire de France et de l’Institut des études avancées de l’Université de Strasbourg (USIAS : University of Strasbourg Institute for Advanced Studies)

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Prof Joseph-Omer DYER,PhD, pht, University of Montreal, Montreal, (Qc), Canada Faculty of Medicine, Rehabilitation School, Physiotherapy Program,

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Alpert Prof Marshall Devor, PhD, Hebrew University of Jerusalem (Israel) Professor & Chair Department of Cell & Animal Biology, etc.

This e-Journal is on the website of the University of Fribourg (Switzerland) http://blog.unifr.ch/e-NewsSomatosensoryRehabilitation/

Since 2012, this is a peer-reviewd e-Journal with an international editorial board.

It is written in English and in 29 others foreign languages.

This is neither an advertisement nor a promotion. Spicherc (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]


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  • KEEP This article is currently a work in progress. Many certified therapists of pain are trying to improve it at the moment so it can be clear and helpful for patients suffering from neuropathic pain while respecting the Wikipedia policy in the meantime.

You mention the lack of secondary sources. Here are two articles that could help you understand the method while respecting MEDRS. [1] [2]

CSTP.SB (talk) 00:54, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scientific review articles conducted by groups without COI are the secondary sources we need. The Bouchard article above is promotional material published by ENewsSomatosens, an online blog promoting the therapy whose editor in chief is Spicher. The Morier article describes one clinical group's success with the "Spicher method" which it describes as "internationally renowned," no doubt because Wikipedia has for more than a decade permitted this promotional article to exist, despite lack of scientific backing or even scrutiny for the method. HouseOfChange (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP Medicine, surgery and rehabilitation are not hard science. In Europe, we are stil using the expression lega artis when we are describing the results of the clinical examination signs. In 1996, Sackett in the British Journal of Medicine (BMJ) from the University of Oxford proposed the evidence-based medicine. In 2020, a concensus consider this scale as the best manner to assess the quality of a treatment. To treat Complex regional pain syndrome's patients, the use of somatosensory rehabilitation of pain got a level 2c of evidence (Packham et al., J Hand Ther 2018). This study in clinical practice (Cohen's index = 1.64) was a part of her PhD Thesis https://macsphere.mcmaster.ca/bitstream/11375/20621/2/packham_tara_l_201609_PhD.pdf. The director of this thesis was Prof Joy McDermid https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joy_Macdermid. She is as well the Editor-in-Chief ot the journal of the American society for Hand Therapy https://www.jhandtherapy.org/ Motor imagery is another program to treat this patient. Quintal, I., Poiré-Hamel, L., Bourbonnais, D., & Dyer, J.-O. (2018). Management of long-term complex regional pain syndrome with allodynia: A case report. Journal of Hand Therapy, 31(2), 255-264. doi:10.1016/j.jht.2018.01.012 proposed a treatment with both of them Spicherc (talk) 12:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is important to point out that the consensus is that 2c refers to the level of evidence that can be obtained from the study, it does not mean the study is high quality. Secondly, 2c refers to one the study itself not the therapy, it does not mean that this therapy now has strong evidence it means you have a chart review and case studies. Regardless it is a primary source. Therefore claims should not be made about efficacy in the article. Realistically, there is little-no evidence of the efficacy of this method. Finally, it appears the author misinterpreted the scale, there is no control group in the study, so the study is an actual fact an uncontrolled case series, this would give level 4 evidence on a 5 point scale. Some of the comments on the article page have made me further realise the article as present is exceptionally problematic, one therapist said the article is important because it helps patients get in touch with people who can help. Either way the author has not demonstrated substantial coverage in sources that meet the strict definitions of medical sources on wikipedia, whilst it is possible that it will meet this standard in the future, it doesn't at present because the sources don't exist. If there is substantial coverage by many unrelated authors either negatively or positively this could merit an article. PainProf (talk) 13:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FAKENEWS PainProf, how can you, alone, pretend to know better the evidence-based medicine than, all of these experts of this topic: Prof Joy McDermid, PhD, PT (McMaster University - Canada), Susan Michlovitz, PhD, PT, Norman Buckley, MD FRCP (Mickael DeGroote Institute for Pain Research and Care – Canada), Prof Tara Packham, PhD, OT (McMaster University) and the anonymous reviewers of the Journal of Hand Therapy and Eve Chaput, pht, MClSc (Manipulative Physiotherapy), FCAMPT, BSc (Physiotherapy), BSc (Speech-therapy), lecture (University of Montreal - Canada), Prof Joseph Omer Dyer, PhD, PT (University of Montreal), Prof Sibele de Andrade Mel Knaut (Phd, PT (UNICENTRO, Brazil), Giorgio Pietramaggiori, MD, PhD (Universities of Lausanne – Switzerland - and Padova - Italy) and the anonymous reviewers of e-News Somatosens Rehab and the scientific comittees and the whole participants of several congresses (Paris, Montpellier, Osaka), where these informations have been communicated without any controverse. Conclusion: Level of evidence-based practice to treat CRPS's patients: 2c Spicherc (talk) 11:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One PhD thesis whose dedication fulsomely thanks Spicher as "Thank you to Claude Spicher, teacher and trailblazer" is not evidence of independent third-party scrutiny of this medical treatment. Neither is the existence of a website run by Claude Spicher and devoted to articles that praise and promote his method. Let me also point to the userpage of Claude Spicher which promotes him and his therapy and then says "I report no conflict of interest." HouseOfChange (talk) 16:56, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations HouseOfChange You have made more than 4,000 contributions to Wikipedia. However, I am not sure that this honorably gold medals gives you the autorization to accuse me of a conflict of interest. I assume my ressponsabilities. our daily activities in clinical practice with neuropathic patients are registered in a data base with the autorization of the Swiss Association of Research Ethics Committees https://swissethics.ch

Our community of pratice proposes informations to neuropathic patients who have much difficulties to survive - thir life have no colour anymore. Their first complain: restless nights for ages: months, years, even decades. I am an occupational therapist and in Switzerland, in the Netherlands, in Canada, in our rehabilitation field, we have the ability to choose the best NON-pharmacological treatment which corresponds the best to the patient and its values. We are NOT promoting this physical treatment. We are giving them the opportunity to interrupt their neuropathic pain. This method is NOT the Spicher's method at all. We are trying to build bridges between rehabilitation, medicine and neurosciences. For this reason some of my 54 co-authors are occupationnal therapists, physiotherapists, Medical Doctors (neurologists, surgeons, pain doctors, etc.), anatomists, neuroscientists, anthropologists, and so on. https://unifr.academia.edu/ClaudeJSPICHER Spicherc (talk) 15:33, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Claude, it is best to to avoid ad hominem statements in general, I try my best to avoid them in all debates. I think HouseOfChange's point is that it could be perceived that you have a conflict of interest if you don't mind I cite here the ICMJE guidelines which I feel are fair in general. http://www.icmje.org/recommendations/browse/roles-and-responsibilities/author-responsibilities--conflicts-of-interest.html. I understand this might not be wikipedia's policy but I believe they are functionally similar, but I hope you understand that running/owning/operating a clinic, receiving book royalties or charging fees for the training of this technique can be perceived as a conflict of interest. I do notice that some of the links in the bibliography are to amazon pages. People could argue that this is an attempt to sell books on the topic, I do not know the specifics of your deal with the publisher, but it could be perceived that a motivation for the page is to sell these books. Similarly, linking to your own websites which have details for yourself, your training, etc could be perceived to have a financial motive to funnel patients to certain therapists or to advertise training. As you have published books, and a blog, and own/operate a clinic/training courses, there is a financial incentive for you. I would recommend you declare this as a conflict of interest, noting that this doesn't preclude you from editing, but should be allowed to be taken into account by other editors. Similarly, it is an important factor in this deletion discussion. I would similarly ask any editor who has received speaking fees, royalties or grants from the pharmaceutical industry to declare this so I do think it is a fair and collegial request. Cheers PainProf (talk) 16:23, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
fair and collegial

You are too funny anonymous Professor-post-doctoral-in-philosophy-fellow, Dear fe·male, gosh, YOU are asking me to be “fair and collegial”? you are making me laugh.

Boris Cyrulnik one of the most clever and alive man in the world wrote that: “a numeric relationship is impossible.”

The only one thing that you know about you is that you dislike the “foreign languages” and that you are a native English speaker. Are you a professor of philosophy from the Wales, are you a Scottish postdoctoral fellow in biomedicine, are you an unemployed person who never published any article apart from her·his thesis? No idea.

What we know is that, since May 20, you are trying to destroy a work of hundreds engaged clinicians. Why? What is your motivation? No idea. What our community of practice knows is that business is NOT the only value in the world. Do YOU really want to talk about money on wikipedia? Do you know that in Europe, especially in Switzerland, it would be considered very rude? In Europe, perhaps NOT in Australia, to swear the hand on the Bible, would be an unappropriate manner to say that: “I declare no conflict of interest”? However, I do it. I am working in several different Universities, and fortunately, I exactly know what a conflict of interest is. Dear anonymous Professor-post-doctoral-in-philosophy-fellow from New-Zealand, may I tell you, that in Europe, to publish in French a book cost a lots of money? Between the 3rd and the 4th edition of Somatosensory Rehabilitation of Pain in French, 40 members of our community worked very hard during five years. Some of us waked up at 5 a.m. some others went to bed after midnight. And, could you believe that, Dear anonymous Professor-post-doctoral-in-philosophy-fellow from British Columbia, they didn’t receive any dollars for this job. Nothing. What is their motivation? To decrease pain of the patients, that they are, anyway, obliged to welcome with attention, hours after hours, as clinician. These patients who are fighting NOT to suicide because they are not sleeping anymore for 10, 100, or even more than 1000 restless nights.

As I started with him, I will conclude, as well, with Boris Cyrulnik – who published about 30 books in a foreign language: “It is hard to say ‘no’ when one opposes a greater number. It is also critical as one finds himself in the role of the offender. By saying that the Earth is round, whilst we clearly see it is flat, we stand as a deviant, almost abnormal. The statement is considered profane if the inference conflicts with the Literature. He who could think such a thing should be burnt at the stake.” (Cyrulnik, 2016) קלוד ספישר~ Spicherc (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Claude, I think per WP policy remaining anonymous is not a problem. I disagree with the characterisation that I dislike foreign languages, I kindly ask that you withdraw that statement. I prefer not to make personal attacks, my comment is perhaps unclear and taken in the wrong way, I think there is a perception of a conflict of interest, sometimes this can be as important as a conflict of interest. Much in the same way a perception of underlying tissue damage can be just as important as underlying tissue damage. I in no way mean to say that you are not doing what you think is right, and indeed you might be helping lots of people, but we need the evidence. My personal belief is that even spending sufficient time with a patient, fully understanding their concerns can help, and even placebo treatment can be very powerful in relieving pain and we know that a treatment administered in the context of a therapist where there is really active involvement such as in acupuncture can be more effective than a placebo pill (but just as affective as sham acupuncture), this is really why I'm trying to push for the evidence here. And, I hope that however this goes, you are encouraged to find clinical collaborators to pursue independent RCT, comparing your treatment to a sham. Regardless, this is off topic and not a useful line of discussion, the most important thing for the article is to find independent sources and reviews. Here is what I have found for you for citations so far:
https://app.dimensions.ai/discover/publication?search_text=claude%20spicher&search_type=kws&search_field=full_search&and_facet_researcher=ur.014153021553.44&order=times_cited
I believe this only accounts for pubmed/medline. Could you please point us to more independent sources that cite your work.
Cheers,

PainProf (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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That duplicate article has been PROD-ed. HouseOfChange (talk) 16:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Deleted per CSD#A10. Black Kite (talk) 01:09, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Steel Panther. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 02:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hole Patrol[edit]

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Non-notable EP. No evidence of charting, awards or in depth coverage in independent sources. PROD'd and deleted >3 years ago, but recreated. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:45, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 10:12, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Simon & Garfunkel: The Complete Albums Collection[edit]

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I PROD'd this three years ago. The PROD was removed but there are still no references nor claim of notability. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Err.... how do you describe a collection without talking about the albums and the songs in it? The reviews are explicitly reviewing the collection though, as they discuss the remastered sound etc. FOARP (talk) 07:25, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:10, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

K. S. Narayanacharya[edit]

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Non-notable person. Fails WP:GNG. - MRRaja001 (talk) 12:07, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 19:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Subhash Jha Vines[edit]

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Article asserts significance, so not probably not A7 and I don't feel tagging it as G3. However, this individual does not meet GNG. The article makes some claims regarding Tech Guruji, however that is run by a different individual: Gaurav Chaudhary. I think User:Tech Guruji's username is of concern here, and the article was rejected a couple of times at AfC.Eostrix (talk) 08:53, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 10:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Grigoriopol transmitter[edit]

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Absence of sufficient citations. Therefore WP:DEL#7. Also possible WP:DEL#8 Nightvour (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 05:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sri Aurobindo School of Integral Education, Chandigarh[edit]

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Over the top promotional article of a private school. Needs to make WP:GNG and WP:NCORP, and it doesn't. This businesses activity as a school really has no bearing on its notability. It doesn't even meet the qualifications of what little remains of any presumption of notability schools once had. John from Idegon (talk) 20:14, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Withdrawn - ProQuest sources found by Nfitz put it over GNG easily. Thanks, I don't have ProQuest access so wouldn't have been able to find those. ♠PMC(talk) 02:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Schleese Saddlery[edit]

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I did a reasonably thorough (IMO), including Newspapers.com, and came up with only one source that meets WP:CORPDEPTH: This one, from Canadian Business. The other three that are mentioned on the talk page are not suitable. The one from American Horse Publications is bylined to the company, the one from Horse Journals is a short fluff post about a new saddle that reads like a press release and lacks a byline, and the EDC "is a Crown corporation dedicated to helping Canadian companies of all sizes succeed on the world stage," so it isn't independent when making blog posts about its own clients. I found nothing else on a search that meets CORPDEPTH (particularly keeping in mind WP:AUD, which requires topics to have garnered attention in general-audience media, not solely niche and/or trade publications). ♠PMC(talk) 07:29, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 16:11, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Better Brain Health[edit]

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No evidence of notability: only sources are a primary source from the producers and then reports on the experiments documented (rather than the film), many of which are just the primary reports. The only content is a summary of things that the film discusses, which does not support notability. Kingsif (talk) 07:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of Victory Day Parades in Minsk. Sandstein 18:03, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Minsk Victory Day Parade[edit]

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Wikipedia is not news and this parade seems to have no long-term impact. There is no indication that this event will have a lasting effect. There is some coverage of Belarus flaunting coronavirus guidelines by holding the parade in sources like the BBC, but to merit a stand-alone article it would need to be demonstrated that the parade had a long term impact or was in some way far more notable than a routine parade, which is not established in the article or in any sourcing I could find. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merrills Landing, California[edit]

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Places called "landings" in GNIS are almost never notable, and this isn't an exception. The oldest topo maps put the label on the opposite site of the river; more recent maps move the label to the east, next to a pair of (apparently no longer there) buildings on the river bank. Then the river moved, and now there is a "Merrill's Landing Wildlife Area" encompassing the area between the river and its old bed. But there isn't a town, and from what I can tell, there never was one. Mangoe (talk) 18:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Withdrawing my nomination, I believe sources have now been found. (non-admin closure) Sam-2727 (talk) 16:08, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Midnight Chase[edit]

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This doesn't meet WP:NALBUM. There isn't any indication that it received any award or was on a chart, and the only "review" I can find is this which doesn't seem like a reliable source anyway. Sam-2727 (talk) 18:27, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) buidhe 10:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ICity[edit]

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Potentially non notable building, sources are potentially a bit sketchy regarding the name of the skyscrapers, previously deleted page, failing to see what is notable about the skyscrapers.   Kadzi  (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Dr. Kadzi: So why, for instance, these stub articles about German stations Dresden-Pieschen and Dresden Bischofsplatz by a no name architect are notable without any independent sources and iCity skyscraper in Moscow by famous German architect Helmut Jahn at the cost of 350 million US bucks is not notable?--Александр Мотин (talk) 15:05, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
because I didn’t write those articles and have begun a discussion here on this one; to which other members of Wikipedia will add to until a conclusion is reached. Thank you.   Kadzi  (talk) 15:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr. Kadzi: You didn't say why a skyscraper by a famous German architect is not notable. Thank you.--Александр Мотин (talk) 15:11, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's irrelevant as to whether they're notable or not in the context of this discussion,@Александр Мотин:, if you feel they are not notable feel free to start a deletion discussion around them, otherwise you're just employing WP:WHATABOUTX.
It is not a part of MIBC.--Александр Мотин (talk) 00:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ah my mistake, I see now that it says that it will be situated across from the MIBC. signed, Rosguill talk 00:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) buidhe 10:07, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Strategic Humour Initiative[edit]

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Article about a transnational one-off television special, not properly referenced as passing WP:TVSHOW. The footnotes here are one participant's own self-published filmography on her own website, the self-published website of its own production company and an IMDb profile of a different show only tangentially related to this one -- but the notability test for TV shows hinges not on verification of existence, but on verification that it got media attention from journalists, and there's none of that being shown here at all. Further, the article completely fails to mention a critically important detail that any article about a TV show always needs to mention: when did it air? Even with stars involved, the show still needs to have better sources than this before it can be considered notable enough for Wikipedia. Bearcat (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Considering that all of the arguments are flatly WP:AADD (i.e. WP:ITSNOTABLE) I don't think it's worthwile continuing a discussion which as yielded no new comments in 2 weeks. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IndexMaster[edit]

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Not notable. Wikieditor600 (talk) 14:23, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 18:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Scott Edell[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV. Lots of names and passing mentions in relation to companies, but very little specific to the person. Fails WP:THREE. No secondary sources. scope_creepTalk 21:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have added four more reliable sources (Hollywood Reporter, IndieWire, Deadline and Venture Count Star) - this should meet the requirements for WP:THREE --DaJerm (talk) 03:22, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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You have 5 reference that are all same notice. There is a single decent source amongst the lot of them. scope_creepTalk 14:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn with no delete proposals. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 00:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ars (film)[edit]

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Non notable film with nothing to support it having its own article. Donaldd23 (talk) 02:18, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination withdrawn. Books referenced below establish notability. Donaldd23 (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Consensus is that the article subject is notable. (non-admin closure) buidhe 01:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arcane Legends[edit]

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Poorly formatted, with description focused primarily on the game at the expense of the rest of the article. SuperUserCode (talk) 22:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 03:44, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Raymond McLeod[edit]

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PROD removed. PROD reason was No independent reliable resources, Fails WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 10:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gayle Lloyd[edit]

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Fails WP:NBADMINTON. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Sportsfan 1234: Jersey? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It appears there's no regional sorting category for Guernsey. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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@Abishe: I think the nomination is because the criteria that mentions the Commonwealth Games requires them to have 'competed in the quarter-finals' Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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I'd imagine first criteria too look at is the sport the athlete competes in, which is badminton. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:12, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes that is what I meant, the #2 criteria of WP:NBADMINTON. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SportsOlympic: being 'named' in an article isn't enough to satisfy GNG, there needs to be significant coverage. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:37, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I know, but if you could have seen, the BBC article is not only “named”. It’s an article about her, including title, of the main news media of the UK. SportsOlympic (talk) 14:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@SportsOlympic: WP:INDEPTH says the coverage must include "analysis that puts events into context, such as is often found in books, feature length articles in major news magazines". The BBC article just reports the results of her two matches, with no such analysis. Neither is it WP:SECONDARY coverage - it doesn't tell us what the writer thought about per performance in the matches, there's no analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts. See WP:SIGCOV. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A better way to phrase it is it's WP:ROUTINE.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 03:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Malcolm Reed (Star Trek)[edit]

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This remains mostly in universe - the kind of thing I would love to be at Memory Alpha but not what we demand of the articles for our fictional characters. I do not believe that there is enough of the right kind of coverage in sources to suggest notability. The coverage that includes Reed is instead things like lists of characters or general coverage of Star Trek Enterprise. There is no doubt we should have coverage of Reed in Wikipedia just not as a stand alone article. This should, instead, be a redirect. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The character has passing mentions in many secondary sources. The ones I have chosen, however, all have some analysis/evaluation within them, so they are not passing mentions. "insufficient per his own admission" is a misrepresentation of what I wrote. If SIGCOV does work differently than I think, please point me to where it says "significant coverage has to be within one source, other sources have to be discounted". Image how much smaller and poorer Wikipedia would be if we did that overall. Daranios (talk) 07:28, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A sentence long analysis is the very definition of a passing mention. You cannot combine passing mentions from different sources to make “full” sources, that’s not how SIGCOV works. Also, SIGCOV is at least a paragraph of coverage, and in reality is almost always more than that. You have consistently misrepresented sentence-long coverage as significant. Devonian Wombat (talk) 07:57, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1) If a source contains analysis, that's not trivial, no matter the length.
2) Some of the eight sources found so far have only one sentence, some have more.
3) You tell me that that's not how SIGCOV works. Please show me in the guidelines, so that I know that that's indeed what the community has decided, and not your interpretation of it. Daranios (talk) 10:06, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There is an actual definition of a passing mention, and that's not it. WP:GNG says, "Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton, that "In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice" is plainly a trivial mention of that band." That's not one sentence of analysis, it's mentioning that something exists while you're talking about something else. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:58, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Anyone can create a redirect as a normal editing action if so desired. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paul M. Kanitra[edit]

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A non-notable mayor of a town with less than 5,000 people. No significant, reliable coverage or events has been found in a search. Tinton5 (talk) 00:08, 16 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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