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Vancouver Thunderbirds[edit]

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Contested PROD. Non-notable association football club. No RSes and none can be found. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Jeremy Piven. (non-admin closure) Esquivalience t 01:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Spence Kovak[edit]

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Fictional character who has "been in four series", except that he was really only a central character in one of them and a one-off fictional crossover guest in any of the others. And even more importantly, the article just consists of a single sentence asserting his existence and a table of his appearances, while not demonstrating or sourcing even the first hint of a reason why he would warrant an independent article about his existence (such as, y'know, some real-world context for what might make him a notable television character.) Delete. Bearcat (talk) 22:44, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. After the success of the campaign, all opinions have been "keep"; a "delete" result seems out of the question now.  Sandstein  13:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Corbyn leadership campaign, 2015[edit]

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This article is a WP:FORK an unnecessary spin-off of Jeremy Corbyn. By developing an article of this nature on only one out of four candidates, it gives undue weight to one part of an ongoing political campaign in which four candidates including Corbyn are equally involved. There has been no consensus (and little discussion) at Talk:Jeremy Corbyn to justify the formation of this article. The article should be merged back to the Corbyn article, and relevant parts (balanced in relation to the other three candidates) should be added to the Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2015 article. In any event, the article title needs to change - leadership of what? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree on principle that Wikipedia must be seen as impartial during an election campaign – perhaps a suitable compromise would be to move the article to a sandbox and wait for the election result to be announced in September? Willwal, (talk) 11:14, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If the issue is bias, User:Ghmyrtle, create articles for the other candidates then.... AusLondonder (talk) 15:31, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Bias is one of the issues, but not the only one. More material on the four candidates and their reception should be included in the overall election campaign article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I think the problem is that there would not be enough content for an article about the other candidate's campaigns, but if there was one for just Corbyn it would seem unfair. Comparison with the USA is slightly unfair because their Presidential candidates are much more high-profile compared to our parliamentary system. Could you explain why you think moving the "responses" section into the labour leadership article would not be a fair compromise? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 15:41, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with that. Even if his is larger, the others would still meet WP:GNG as well. This is a high-profile election, and the first US-style primary. The candidates for US Democratic Party nomination in 2008 I mentioned weren't high profile. AusLondonder (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that articles for the other candidates would be needed if they didn't already have articles about them, but considering the fact they do, I don't see that there is enough content to warrant a separate article. I feel like we are not going to agree on this so maybe we should see what others have to say. Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 15:51, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It is really not that similar to a US presidential primary. It is for leadership of a political party, not a precursor for a democratic election of a head of state. We already have an article on the collective campaign. The relevant material - and material on the other candidates - should be included there, not in a freestanding article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is a precursor for a democratic election for a head of government. Can't see the difference. AusLondonder (talk) 16:14, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, it seems you can't. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What is it then? WP:GEOBIAS? AusLondonder (talk) 16:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And, frankly, you, as nom should be making clear the difference. Your argument thus far been nothing other than "The other candidates don't have articles". Well, in the case get to work and make them rather than nominating articles that meet WP:GNG within minutes of creation. AusLondonder (talk) 17:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AusLondonder could you please set out why you think putting the "responses" section into the leadership election article would not work - Ghmyrtle and I have explained why we think putting it into its own article would be a bad idea but you have not yet said why you think our compromise of putting into the election article would be inadequate Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 18:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've already said that I think an article for each candidate's campaign would be appropriate now the election has been more of a Presidential style campaign with a wider electorate and I believe an article for each candidate would meet WP:GNG. I think the campaign articles bring together all the information in one place. AusLondonder (talk) 23:25, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Four different editors (myself, Ghmyrtle, Willwal and GoldenRing) have set out why we don't think this article would be a good idea. There is enough space in the Leadership article to include all the media responses as well - surely that is the best place to collate them, and avoids the problems we have discussed. If you wish, we can ask a mod for help on this one as it is clearly a very controversial topic and any suggestion that Wikipedia was biased could be extremely serious Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 07:41, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We should note that Willwal, who created the Jeremy Corbyn leadership campaign, 2015 article, has offered to take it out of article space, and hold it in a sandbox, at least until the election result is known. We should accept that suggestion. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It does not matter. The article does not belong to the creator. No consensus currently exists to delete. This article, without a shadow of a doubt, meets WP:GNG. Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination for US president in 2012. He lost the election. He has the following articles, amongst others (including a campaign article): Business career of Mitt Romney, List of Mitt Romney presidential campaign endorsements, 2012, Public image of Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney dog incident, Binders full of women while 12 Republican candidates, including the obscure, have articles. WP:GEOBIAS. AusLondonder (talk) 15:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, the noms deletion rationale is concerning. Firstly, they cite WP:FORK, which says "Mirrors and forks of Wikipedia are publications that mirror (copy exactly) or fork (copy, but change parts of the material of) Wikipedia. Many correctly follow the licensing terms; however, many others fail – accidentally or intentionally – to place the notice required by these terms. Such pages are listed below in alphabetical order. If you find such links, please add them here." - utterly irrelevant to this article. They then claim this article gives undue weight to Corbyn because no other candidate has one. Create them then! You don't delete a good article which meets WP:GNG because other good articles don't exist yet. The nom says "In any event, the article title needs to change - leadership of what?" - the Labour Party (UK) is the answer to that question. AusLondonder (talk) 15:34, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Forget about WP:FORK - I must have misremembered the term used when part of an existing article is copy-pasted to form a new article. Whatever the term is, that is what happened here. Regarding the article title, you need to set out what a new title should be. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:59, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
With regards to the title of the article, I suppose it could be renamed Jeremy Corbyn party leadership campaign, 2015 – however none of the US presidential campaign article titles have had to specify the presidency of which country: Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, 2016 rather than 'Bernie Sanders United States presidency campaign, 2016'. Willwal, (talk) 20:40, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, with regard to those voting in favour of merging content with the Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2015 article, the section about 'Reactions' to the Corbyn campaign, has already been merged into a section on the aforementioned article entitled 'Media reactions'. Willwal (talk) 14:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We actually agree during an AFD! That's a change, User:E.M.Gregory! :) AusLondonder (talk) 10:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
True, and nice. I'm all about sources. This topic is well-supported.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:28, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
User:MilborneOne Are you saying that candidates for party nomination in US presidential elections deserve such pages but not British candidates? AusLondonder (talk) 10:52, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that is an other stuff exists argument and unrelated to this discussion. MilborneOne (talk) 10:57, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But you made that comment? You said "its not a presidential election just the leader of a British political party" AusLondonder (talk) 10:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That was to answer the comments above related to comparing this to American presidential election candidates to say that it wasnt relevant to this discussion, which it isnt. MilborneOne (talk) 11:23, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I really must question this assertion of "yesterdays (sic) newspaper stuff". Even if the Corbyn campaign were to very suddenly plunge into the abyss, lose spectacularly etc., that does not mean that Wikipedia should simply ignore the very considerable impact that Corbyn campaign has had on the Labour Party (UK) leadership election, on the size of the party's membership and the amount of national and international media coverage, high-profile interventions etc. that have occurred in the past 2-3 months. Furthermore, it is quite likely that the Corbyn leadership campaign – even if unsuccessful electorally – will have an impact on the policies of whoever the next leader is.
As it happens, there is very little evidence to sustain your argument that Corbyn's leadership campaign is yesterday's news and no longer relevant, given the fact that newspapers, magazines, online news outlets and social media are still reporting on his progress. Willwal (talk) 19:07, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I still stand by my opinion, I dont have a problem with it being mentioned in one of the election articles but it really is not that important for a stand-alone article, what the media and politicians get excited about doesnt mean that the general public actually take much note and would not consider an election for a leader of a political party to be worthy of an article. MilborneOne (talk) 19:22, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But it really seems that you are giving your opinion about the state of the general public's view of something. There is a great deal of evidence to contest your view – that the public aren't engaged in Corbyn's leadership campaign – but even so, the question of the article's notability and relevance (WP:NOTE) is largely covered by Wikipedia's general guidelines: "Significant coverage" backed up by a range of reliable secondary sources – where does this article fall short in meeting such criteria? Willwal (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AusLondonder, there are immense differences between an American Presidential election and leadership of a UK party, the second isn't even really comparable with US primaries. Only paid up party members, are eligible to vote. I don't see why the encyc content could not go into the general article until such time as the dust settles, maybe his campaign will prove very significant historically, but at the moment we are crystal-ball gazing. At the present moment the article reads as his manifesto, and I wonder whether that is the proper purpose of WP. Incidentally, I'm none too sure that articles about ongoing US election candidates are actually an asset to WP, we aren't a newspaper. Pincrete (talk) 22:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Pincrete one of the main controversies about the election campaign was because the Labour election DID allow anyone to vote and not just paid-up members. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 23:06, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't say it's fair to call the content of this article "his manifesto". There is a great deal of balance on the various subsections, with criticisms from anti-Corbyn voices represented. Willwal (talk) 22:48, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The main election page gives a far more rounded picture of the controversies, no mention on 'his' article that every living ex-Labour leader has opposed him, little mention of the various 'vote-stacking' controversies and counter accusations. The election does not allow anyone to vote and has been mired in controversy as a result, as I understand it it is party members, but disallowing 'entryist' voters. A 'manifesto' is precisely what it is and if that is its purpose, fine, what is our purpose in hosting it ?Pincrete (talk) 09:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Your comments here have been so fundamentally wrong and contrary to policy. What mannifesto includes criticism and media reaction? Why do you believe US presidential primaries are inherently more notable than de fact British political primaries? Primaries in the US require party support as well, not just anyone can vote AusLondonder (talk) 10:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AusLondonder, where exactly do I say or imply that US elections are more important than UK ones, please don't make assumptions about my comments. As it happens I'm an ex UK LabParty member, now living outside UK. Manifesto because it states his position on all issues, regardless of whether they have come up in the election, and are you seriously suggesting that unilateral nuclear disarming and leaving NATO has only caused two criticisms. As I said, I don't mind if it is a manifesto, but let's call it that, simply listing candidate's positions, not pretending to give balanced, objective coverage.
The present article fails to mention little details like every previous Lab leader and many ex-ministers vociferously opposing his candicacy, while Boris Johnson has applauded it! But all that is beside the point but goes to show how difficult it is to be neutral about unfolding matters, so what exactly is the encyc advantage while the election is underway? If you visit any of the US election pages, you find near constant edit-warring, AfDs etc, WP is not a newspaper. This article will have no impact on the outcome, voters will not look to WP for guidance, however I think it is not an asset to us. Pincrete (talk) 18:06, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Who on Earth is suggesting that the article would have an impact on the outcome? That certainly is not part of Wikipedia's guideline for notability. Reactions (negative and positive) to the Corbyn campaign have been merged with the Labour Party (UK) leadership election, 2015 article, as agreed above. This article was created to reflect the considerable impact that the Corbyn campaign has had on the leadership contest, the policies of other candidates and (as many in and outside of the party have suggested) the future of the Labour Party – not to promote Corbyn as a means to political ends. Willwal (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think it obvious that the 'this is not going to effect outcome', is saying that the clear lack of balance will not affect the result, not that it should do so. So, reactions have been moved to another article, that's an interesting way of agreeing that the article does not even attempt balance. So what is this article about, since it is not about his campaign? Why would impact be on a seperate page from the election impacted? There is actually more info about impact on the main page, (which everyone would probably agree has 'widened the debate' about what sort of party Labour wants to be). Thankyou, you have persuaded me that this page is little more than a PoV fork of the main leadership page.Pincrete (talk) 08:08, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst your arguments are about ignoring WP:GNG and WP:GEOBIAS. AusLondonder (talk) 09:19, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll happily ignore 'GEOBIAS' when the argument is simply 'Hillary' gets one so Jeremy should have one too. That is not because I think Jeremy is less important than Hillary. I think we would all benefit if our coverage of ongoing elections was more defined (US or UK or ?? … the BBC itself has such guidelines). I'd be a little more persuaded that this was not simply a PoV fork, if editors defending it were a little busier including criticism of JC (has no one in the UK mentioned that he has never even held a shadow portfolio ?), or writing articles for the other candidates to whom the GNG and GEOBIAS arguments equally apply. Ordinarily, the absence of an 'equiv' article, wouldn't be a factor, but in the limited time frame of this election, I believe it inevitably is, and is covered by 'NOT NEWS'. Pincrete (talk) 11:49, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Swarm ♠ 03:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Romanian expatriate footballers[edit]

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Past consensus has been that lists of this type are not notable. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Israeli footballers playing overseas, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indonesian expatriate footballers, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Costa Rican expatriate footballers, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Indian footballers who have played for foreign clubs, among others. Certainly there is no indication that this list meets the general notability guideline Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:32, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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It's useful is one of the explicitly enumerated arguments to avoid at afd. Since there is no indication these footballers have received significant coverage as a group so the list fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"This list brings together related topics in X and is useful for navigating that subject." Siuenti (talk) 20:29, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't change the fact that the subject itself is not notable though. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer to think of it as a sub-list of list of Romanian footballers, split off by the defining characteristic of where they played. Siuenti (talk) 14:24, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sir Sputnik, "WP:USEFUL" is not a fair rebuttal considering that Siuenti was responding to Spiderone's deletion argument above that the list wasn't useful in light of the category (an argument that is also contra WP:CLN). But regardless, utility is almost always going to be relevant to list AFDs, which are typically more about how we present information rather than the information itself. postdlf (talk) 16:24, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete - clear consensus that such lists are not notable. Additionally an inherently unencyclopedic list. A romanian who has moved to Germany and plays for a small team in a local five-a-side league meets the criteria for this list. Fenix down (talk) 14:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect. If you look at the article's lead you will notice that the list is limited to "professional leagues" and "football". Macosal (talk) 01:44, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm not against keeping the page - I know in Australia at least that players playing abroad in pro leagues do receive a lot of public attention (although I can't say I'm too familiar with the situation in Romania) but these improvements do need to be made (I might make some of them myself, but don't have the time/knowledge to do them all. I'd probably be inclined to wait until the result of this before doing anything too substantial only to see it deleted anyway. I'd also suggest something like List of foreign Premier League players being used as a template for how to structure the page and in particular its lead. Macosal (talk) 14:02, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also just noticed that this list is limited to "currently playing abroad. I think that needs to change too.... Macosal (talk) 14:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Inclusion criteria is a matter for editing. And it should be obvious that such a list should be limited to those who merit articles, by whatever standard. postdlf (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that inclusion criteria is a matter for editing rather than deletion. However, in its current state the article requires significant change or else I don't think it should remain. "Current" players is a clear concern to me (see WP:RECENT). I don't think the article should remain if it's just an index of Romanians playing overseas right now - it needs to be opened up to all time. Also I think players must not only be notable, they must have taken the field and that must have been in a fully professional league, or else the criteria for inclusion are too broad/indeterminate. If these changes were implemented then I would probably agree to keeping the list, but as I've said, in its current state I do have issues. Macosal (talk) 03:28, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it shouldn't be limited to current players. But deletion certainly won't fix that, and per policy (WP:ATD, WP:PRESERVE) we don't delete content for fixable problems (a problem that I've fixed in any event). postdlf (talk) 14:31, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Andrea Scholer[edit]

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Didn't realise there'd be a previous PROD. It's a BLP that's only sourced to amazon. I can't find any reliable sources. If BLPPROD was in place when this article was first created it would be gone already. Brustopher (talk) 19:42, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Will userfy for the purposes of merging upon request. Swarm ♠ 03:51, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The New Campus Anti-Rape Movement[edit]

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The article is a coatrack. The title of the article is taken from a seminar by Caroline Heldman and an unpublished book (since retitled) by Heldman and Danielle Dirks. However, the article itself mentions neither and instead argues what I assume is Heldman and Dirks' thesis with vaguely- and un-referenced content.

I proposed a merge into Campus sexual assault (see discussion). The only consensus we were able to reach was that more input was needed, preferably from AfD.

Delete as nominator. The article cannot be fixed without a complete rewrite and/or title change, the current title is not a notable subject, and there is no content worth saving. Second option, merge to Anti-Rape Movement. DPRoberts534 (talk) 20:26, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I've dug into the source (Dirk's manuscript), I also wonder whether this is notable as presented.Mattnad (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 18:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kishor Satya[edit]

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Delete. Fails WP:ENT. Might be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 12:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Deleted (A7) by Bbb23. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edgewater Commons[edit]

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Non notable mall fails WP:GNG Me5000 (talk) 16:05, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Will userfy for an established editor in good standing for the purposes of restoration. Swarm ♠ 03:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Young Conservatives (website)[edit]

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Delete per WP:G5 -- creator is a sock account of indeffed user Kbabej. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:55, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep. Looks like the user/(possibly IP?) has been blocked. With an Alexa rank that high, I think it improves WP and should have coverage. Can someone watch it for IP/sockpuppetry vandalism? --Cagepanes (talk) 16:44, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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*Comment. Added content and 10 sources. Pinging E.M.Gregory for reevaluation. I think we'd be doing a disservice to WP to remove a website with such a high Alexa ranking, even though it was from a (rightfully blocked) socker. Did some ref searches to flesh those out a bit, and none of the new sources are about the song/rapping. --Cagepanes (talk) 20:41, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Cagepanes, you may well be correct. The sources, however, still seem to be websites and blogs. Wonkette appears to be an edited publication. "The College Fix" is also edited, (and can probably support a Wikipedia article.) Are any of the others edited? (The Dartmouth ones are, but they are closely related to the topic.) Which of the sources are reliable and secondary?E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

:::Not including articles about the song/rapping: Yahoo, Russ Baker's WhoWhatWhy, author Scot McKnight, The College Fix, and multiple Dartmouth Review articles. If you include their rapping (which is still about the organization and how they got their start), there's also: FOX News, Huffington Post, Wonkette, ESPN, and others. While some may be blogs, the sources show that this website is well trafficked and referenced in a lot of conservative media, starting in 2009 and continuing now. --Cagepanes (talk) 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC) ::::I also just added another source from the Huffington Post where they mention Young Conservatives and talk about YC's writer Derryk Green responding to Sally Kohn. --Cagepanes (talk) 21:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 15:07, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of American and Canadian cities by minor professional sports franchises[edit]

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1)It was created years ago by an account that has not been active since 2012.
2)A better page with more guidelines has been created at List of minor sports teams in the United States by city and is actually listed by the census metro areas it is linked to (i.e., San Jose is part of the San Francisco Bay Area on the official census).
3)Is named US and Canada, yet there are no Canadian cities listed.
4)The page is very outdated and does not specify how minor a minor league team should be (there are at least 100 minor league baseball teams if you count AZ leagues and college summer leagues and independent leagues).
5)It has been orphaned since its creation with no attempts at integration, the above mentioned page has been created since then and is slightly better (only a bit). Yosemiter (talk) 02:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:17, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talkcyprus[edit]

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Internet forum that lacks notability or indications of importance. It seems it shut down between the article's creation date and today. TheGGoose (talk) 18:36, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:06, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Marilyn R. (Lynn) McDonald[edit]

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I'm not sure if this can be improved as my searches found no good results with this and this being the best results. It also seems there's no good move target aside from her son's article Ben Wikler. It seems several of the editors aren't very active aside from DGG (which removed the speedy and I know this subject interests him) and also notifying author Paulbaker55. Summarily, there's simply nothing to suggest improvement and nothing to suggest FAST is notable enough for its own article. SwisterTwister talk 07:14, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted by CambridgeBayWeather per CSD A1 (very short article lacking sufficient context to identify subject of article). (non-admin closure) • Gene93k (talk) 17:53, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Upper Hukuwa[edit]

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No references in article. Can't find anything about it, except for circular references back to this Wikipedia article. Onel5969 TT me 17:45, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Return Policy Project[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Three refs in article, one of which is self-published. Suspect COI in editing/creation. Searches for "return policy project" return mostly return policies, predictably. There seems to be a lot of WP:PROMOTION going on. New Media Theorist (talk) 17:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. To open an AfD about an hour after haggling over a redirect must be considered as disruptive as specified in WP:SK # 2b. Please continue discussion, if necessary, on the pertaining talk page. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Charlo Greene[edit]

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The consensus in the first AfD seems to have been a weak keep due to "Too Soon". Looking at her biography, the only notable thing she did was to quit her job on the air while throwing an expletive. Everything done since (working on a marijuana legalization campaign, having campaign finance dispute with a regulatory agency, and being evicted) are not notable to merit this article. My personal preference is to close as a redirect to KTVA#News operation, just in case she'll become more notable in the future, but we'll see how this discussion goes. Victor Victoria (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Chicago-style politics. Swarm ♠ 03:57, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago-style politics (meme)[edit]

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WP:NOTE The use of the phrase "Chicago-style politics" as a rhetorical political attack by Republicans against Democrats since 2008 is not a notable topic. A page about the phrase "Chicago-style politics" already exists and has since 2011. Springee (talk) 17:25, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep Obviously Chicago-style politics (meme) is notable as per WP:GNG. Significant, prominent coverage in multiple reliable sources includes secondary and tertiary sources, including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, International Business Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others. The political meme is more than adequately represented prominently in multiple reliable sources for its own, stand-alone article.

The nominating user has recently taken article Chicago-style politics in a new direction, a point of view fork of Political history of Chicago, while at the same time suggesting deletion of the article Chicago-style politics at Talk:Chicago-style politics; please see Talk:Chicago-style politics#Should this article be wiped and redirected to Political History of Chicago?. Hugh (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Political rhetoric is a legitimate academic discipline and a political catchphrase is a legitimate object of study. A Wikipedia article dedicated to a political meme is far from unprecedented, in fact we have a Category:Political terminology with numerous national subcategories including Category:American political catch phrases; member articles include Silent majority, Vast right-wing conspiracy, Binders full of women, and some 50 others. Hugh (talk) 00:50, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this account is the author of the nominated article. - Wikidemon (talk) 19:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Remove (see below) The article in question was created as a WP:CONTENTFORK when the original Chicago-style politics article was recently returned to it's original topic. This article appears to be nothing more than a WP:COATRACK used to discuss various political comments and attacks that happen to contain the phrase "Chicago-style politics". If the intent of the article is to discuss the phrase "Chicago-Style politics" then it should be merged back into the earlier article which at least had a history section. If the intent is to discuss political rhetoric it should be merged either into discussions of the various elections (2008 and 2012 presidential) or perhaps merged into a more general article on the subject. It seems highly questionable to devote an entire article to one of many political, rhetorical phrases. Yes, many examples of the phrase being used can be found and the editor of the article has done that. However, those articles largely discuss other maters, not the use of political rhetoric. Thus the large number of citations are really examples of WP:OVERCITE yet they fail to support the lead in showing that it is relevant to have an article about the phrase as a "meme". Thus the WP:NOTE of this article is in question.

background The original article[[1]], which is also of questionable merit, was created in 2011 to discuss the phrase "Chicago-style politics". (Initial:[[2]] March, 2014:[[3]]) In April 2014 the subject of the article was unilaterally changed to one which talked about "Chicago-style politics" as a rhetorical statement used to attack president Obama and other democrats.[[4]]. Previous content about the phrase was removed. All changes were done without talk page discussion and the editor in question did not reply to an editor who questioned the shift (See [[5]]). Additional editors questioned the WP:COATRACKing contained in the modified article and consensus was to move Chicago-style_politics back to its original subject. This article was created shortly there after to cover the material that other editors found questionable in the original article, thus a POV fork. Since the article was created the editor who created the article has added questionable (WP:UNDUE) links in other articles in attempt to prevent this one from being an orphan article. These edits, done initially without talk page justifications, can be seen in the recent edits of the following articles [[6]][[7]][[8]][[9]]. It should be noted that the original article was filled with tags by the creator of this article when consensus clearly didn't support the "meme" direction. Springee (talk) 19:18, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into either older article as subsection or into Chicago politics article as subsection. In the latter case we would also merge the content of the original "Chicago-style politics" article. The section talking about the phrase certainly can cover the more recent meme as HughD has called it. However, it should also cover the origins of the phrase and earlier uses. It should not be a WP:COATRACK as the new article has become and as HughD's associated edits to other articles have become. Springee (talk) 00:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Chicago-style politics (meme) is not a coatrack; it is well-referenced, more neutral, and much better referenced than Chicago-style politics. Explain your application of WP:COATRACK to Chicago-style politics (meme) at Talk:Chicago-style politics (meme). Depersonalize your comments on content. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 01:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The correct forum for a reversion discussion is article talk. Your position of merging Chicago-style politics (meme) with some previous version of Chicago-style politics to be named later by you is beyond the scope of this Chicago-style politics (meme) article deletion discussion. Take your Chicago-style politics article content concerns up at Talk:Chicago-style politics. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 01:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
HughD, this is not the first time you have offered a rosy telling of your involvement with an article[[10]]. The earlier Chicago-style article did need some referencing but you, against objections from others, totally changed the topic then worked to dump much of the content because you felt it was off topic. The current version of the article is in poor shape in large part because you have worked hard to wreck it. Yes, your current article is a coatrack (I'm not the only editor to say as much). You scoped it to avoid talking about the historic origins of the rhetorical phrase and you started the history only with the election of Obama. Either the topic is notable and thus we should include the dirty history of Chicago politics, especially the R Daily era, or the topic isn't in which case we need to dump the whole thing. I added some intro sources, including ones sourced by several universities to help us discuss the origin of the phrase. I'm not sure why you objected to their inclusion if your intent wasn't to coatrack. You never did explain why you moved the original article away from it's original subject to the new subject... but you were vocal when others tried to move it back. If you want to know why I think the article is a coatrack perhaps you should ask the others who said the same thing. Springee (talk) 01:43, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comment. "two articles that are or should be about the same thing." That there is in fact a political meme Chicago-style politics (meme), most notable for its usage by Republicans during the campaigns and terms of our first black President and our first President from Chicago, is beyond contesting given the copious reliable sources. As an analogy, drawn from more recent political rhetoric, our article Anchor baby focuses on the use of the phrase as a pejorative, and provides background only as necessary to provide context, but does not re-iterate the history of emigration policy in the US. On the other hand, much less clear is that there is a more general topic "Chicago style politics" independent of the Political history of Chicago. It is impossible to imagine neutral, balanced, verifiable content that would be appropriate in an article Chicago-style politics that would not be more appropriately added to Political history of Chicago. By their own revised, sadly inadequate lede at Chicago-style politics, "Chicago politics is a cliches used for a set of characteristics associated with aspects of the political history of the American city of Chicago, Illinois, (i.e., corruption, patronage, nepotism, authoritarianism)" the intention there is clearly a point of view fork of Political history of Chicago focusing on negative aspects. The recently revised lede and the recently contributed content at Chicago-style politics demonstrate an editorial direction toward a pointed telling of Political history of Chicago, free of our usual constraints of balance.
In summary, our article Chicago-style politics (meme) is focused on a distinct, well-referenced topic, and our article Chicago-style politics is the obvious point of view fork. Chicago-style politics should be merged with Political history of Chicago, where the proposed content will be subject to community review in terms of balance with respect to our neutrality pillar, but that is a separate issue from this deletion nomination. Thanks again. Hugh (talk) 20:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not familiar with that other article, but this sounds right — in which case, the other article should be merged into this one (and any content better suited to the political history of Chicago added to that article, if appropriate and not there already). - Wikidemon (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comment. Merging is a good suggestion. This situation is complicated by Chicago-style politics and Political history of Chicago both being very poor articles. Chicago-style politics has just a handful of well-referenced relevant statements, and most of those are cut and paste from Political history of Chicago. The kindest thing we can do to Chicago-style politics is fold whatever few statements and references are not already in Political history of Chicago into Political history of Chicago, where they have a chance of balance. I've summarized Chicago-style politics (meme) with two paragraphs (usage and reaction) at Political history of Chicago. Thanks again. Hugh (talk)
Thank you for your comment. Now that you know Chicago-style politics exists, could you please take a look at it? I think you will agree it is a very poor article. The merge suggestion is good but Chicago-style politics is untenable as a target for merge of Chicago-style politics (meme), or anything else. Not only is Chicago-style politics very poor, it is doomed: unredeemable given its recent lede proclaiming its charter as focusing exclusively on the negative aspects of Political history of Chicago, a blatant WP:POVFORK: "The most blatant POV forks are those which insert consensus-dodging content under a title that should clearly be made a redirect to an existing article." With its clearly stated scope, Chicago-style politics can never conform to our neutrality pillar. Of course a telling of the political history of Chicago, free of our usual constraint of balance, would be fun to write. Political history of Chicago is also quite sad, but not irredeemably so; Political history of Chicago is important to WP:CHICAGO and needs editorial attention. Of the three articles, Political history of Chicago, Chicago-style politics, and Chicago-style politics (meme), Chicago-style politics (meme) is clearly, objectively, the best written and best referenced. In summary, respectfully, I believe the way forward here is to merge the very few decent statements and refs, if any, from Chicago-style politics that are not already in Political history of Chicago, and keep Chicago-style politics (meme) and summarize Chicago-style politics (meme) in Political history of Chicago (as has been done already, please see). Let's write one, neutral, political history of Chicago, at Political history of Chicago. Thanks again. Hugh (talk) 00:12, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I suggest we delete Chicago-style politics and move Chicago-style politics (meme) to the title Chicago-style politics. The "(meme)" part in Chicago-style politics (meme) only exists to distinguish it from Chicago-style politics. Having only one of these would expand the scope, and we can talk about subjects discussed in both of the existing articles. As for Political history of Chicago, we can add a hatnote on Chicago-style politics explaining that Chicago-style politics is not an article informing the reader of the history of Chicago politics (we'd include a link to Political history of Chicago somewhere here), but instead an explanation of the term. In others words, we are mentioning the term, not using it. Mr. Guye (talk) 23:56, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think HughD offering only part of the story here. Prior to April 2014 the Chicago-style politics article was about the phrase, both its origin and use. In April of that year HughD changed the thread to only talk about the use of the phrase to attack President Obama. While that is a valid discussion topic, it is not the only valid topic related to the article. HughD is making it sound as though the article is meant to bad mouth Chicago politics (and some editors have used the article for that) but he is leaving out that the opening sentence of the article states the topic is the phrase. Thus it is appropriate to have some measure of the history that leads to the phrase. He is right that is shouldn't be a dumping ground. He is not being true to the lead when he claims it is just to have a POV fork. HughD used this claim as a way to remove reasonable content from the original article. In the end it doesn't really mater which article gets merged into the other. What does mater is that the final product should not ignore the origin of the phrase or be exclusive to 2008 and later as HughD has attempted to scope the article he recently created. In effect, HughD tried to change the scope of the original article. When editors objected he created a new article and now he is attempting to delete the content of the old article via tag warring. His edits are the primary reason why the old article is in such poor shape so to claim that the article is in poor shape and thus it should be deleted can be seen as both self serving and less than the whole story.
  • I would propose that we add the content of the article HughD has created to the older article thus preserving the edit history so future editors can fill in the citations which were missing from the older content that was removed without proper discussion. The new article effectively has no history of removed content and thus the loss of it's edit history isn't a problem. The subject of the combined article should not be Chicago political history in general but should contain sufficient material to explain why the phrase would exist at all. After all the phrase "Georgia-style politics" was never used haunt Carter nor did "Arkansas-style politics" taunt Clinton. Clearly there is some reason why people discuss "Chicago-style politics". That was the original article. The use of the phrase as a political meme is just part of the story of the phrase. Springee (talk) 02:30, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brown & Crouppen[edit]

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Not enough sources to satisfy WP:COMPANY. Drm310 (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted - WP:A7 and WP:G11. Just Chilling (talk) 16:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gerard Garrett[edit]

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WP:BLP, written very much like a résumé, of a person with no particularly strong claim of notability for much more than existing. The article's sole source is written by him, not about him, and is thus a primary source that cannot demonstrate his notability — and there's some unsourced personal information in here (e.g. "In 2010, Garrett was diagnosed with high functioning mixed affective states, which requires community support and medication. He currently manages his illness well.") which is "insider" enough to imply conflict of interest by someone who knows him personally. I'm willing to withdraw this if it can be rewritten and sourced properly as an encyclopedia article about a notable medical doctor, but in this state it's a delete. Bearcat (talk) 16:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sumaya Dalmar[edit]

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WP:BIO1E of a person notable primarily for dying. While her death did receive a brief two-day blip of media coverage due to speculation that it might have been a case of anti-transgender violence, this article somewhat pointedly avoids the sources in which the Toronto Police Service explicitly confirmed that she was not murdered, but instead continues to indirectly imply that possibility — and no further media coverage has taken place since that two-day blip, so we still don't know of any other reason why her death could be deemed permanently encyclopedic. And the article makes no particularly substantive claim that she'd qualify for an encyclopedia article for anything she accomplished before she died, either. Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if some stronger case for notability (e.g. a Rehtaeh Parsons-sized whopper of a legal or social consequence) comes to light — as sad as this story may be, Wikipedia does not exist as a space to memorialize every private citizen who ever died, and unfounded/refuted speculation about the circumstances of her death doesn't make her more notable than usual in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And what specific activist activities does the article document her as having ever actually undertaken and gotten coverage for? A person passes our notability guidelines by doing something, not by being something — it's not enough to just say she was an activist and therefore GNG is automatically passed just because the word "activist" has been invoked, if the article doesn't document and source any specific things she did as an activist.
And incidentally, the source which you claim credits her as "being the first prominently known Somali transgender individual in history" doesn't actually say anything of the sort — it merely says that she was the first Somali transgender person that specific writer had ever met, which isn't the same thing in the slightest. Bearcat (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I'm not even Canadian but have known of her since 2013, two years before she died, due to the documentary. In 2014 I again remembered her due to the fact that her story was among the first google returns as well as among the most numerous biographies when typing the word "somali canadian" onto google - one of the most prominent diaspora communities btw. She is also one of the few westerners that have documented the relationship between the trans and Islamic communities. There is one thing that springs to mind from this; that she was (somewhat) notable prior to her death. And I have since altered the text a bit. I like how u rotate (talk) 00:16, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Descendant of Thieves[edit]

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No evidence that this meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The two references are blog posts of no note. Derek Andrews (talk) 14:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews with the subject, in which they're talking about themselves, do not demonstrate notability. They can be used for additional sourcing of facts after notability has been covered off by stronger sources, but they cannot be the notability in and of themselves. And media, for our purposes, is newspapers, magazines, books, TV or radio — not most blogs. Bearcat (talk) 16:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bonnie Dodge[edit]

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustain article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, WP:ANYBIO and WP:NAUTHOR. All coverage is trivial and local. The source cited in the article is a local interest filler piece with no byline. ("Children's Book on Evel Knievel's Jump out by Local Authors".} The article seems to be a paraphrasing on this single article. The only references to 'awards' this author has won that I could find were:

The other awards mentioned by name in the article are minor. Being in the "Top Ten Idaho Fiction by Idaho Author Awards for 2014" or winning the ""2010 Idaho Writer's League Writer of the Year Award" does not confer notability. JbhTalk 14:17, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

History of Major College Football National Championship[edit]

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The subject of this article is poorly framed in this article and is covered more comprehensively at College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS, Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, Bowl Championship Series, and College Football Playoff Jweiss11 (talk) 14:00, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Gold Coast Football Club players. Courcelles (talk) 20:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jarred Ellis[edit]

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Fails to meet notability per WP:NAFL and has been delisted from the AFL. Flickerd (talk) 14:37, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Philippe Valiquette[edit]

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Not seeing much in terms of notability. Fails WP:BASEBALL/N Penale52 (talk) 12:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NuPinch.com[edit]

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It seems to me that notability was somewhat shaky... even when the site existed. It no longer does. Right now the article reads like a promotional blurb for a nonexistent site. I don't see any hope of this ever becoming a real article. Let's put it out of its misery. Ashenai (talk) 12:43, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DigitalX[edit]

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Orphaned and unsourced for nearly 8 years. The only relevant result on google is the guy's soundcloud page. Even the twitter page of the same name is a different musician in Kiev. The general wikilinks are blue but all the specific links are red. A poster boy for lack of notability. Bazj (talk) 11:51, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Louis Heffesse[edit]

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There is no evidence I can see that this meets WP:ARTIST. Most of the references are of poor quality and i can find no mention in independent news sources. It has been created by a WP:SPA so I suspect WP:CONFLICT. At best it is WP:TOOSOON. Derek Andrews (talk) 10:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Brewer[edit]

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Does not meet gng, certainly doesn't meet ncollath John from Idegon (talk) 07:33, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bradley Soileau[edit]

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apparently trivial career DGG ( talk ) 23:57, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Boyd (computer engineer)[edit]

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The article has largely been written as, or as if it were, an autobiography, and also largely in a highly promotional tone, by single-purpose accounts, which are quite possibly the sockpuppets of the subject of the biographical article in question. The subject's notability even in the his own specific field of computing appears relatively obscure, perhaps just falling short of the general minimum threshold for the purpose of Wikipedia. There is a bereft of reliably-cited sources for the subject in the article, and the very existence in Wikipedia of a biographical article arguably gives the subject, who, as an otherwise relatively obscure British expatriate computer engineer in China in his 60s, much undue additional notability, certainly through the conduit of Google and also of Facebook. If anyone who had ever done any sort of work whatsoever directly or indirectly on or about MS-DOS or IBM PC-DOS back in the 1980s and 1990s deserved to have based upon that particular fact alone an article for himself on his own life here on Wikipedia, there would probably be tens if not hundreds of thousands of new articles herein. -- Urquhartnite (talk) 22:23, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Debbie Majumder[edit]

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No actual notability besides 1 press release in a newspaper DGG ( talk ) 19:11, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Aguzzi[edit]

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No non-trivial coverage in third-party reliable sources to support WP:GNG, nor is there any evidence of WP:PROF notability. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:20, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Atria Senior Living[edit]

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No evidence of notability. DGG ( talk ) 04:51, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Neutral but leaning to "weak keep and rewrite" based on the references listed in the prior AFD. The existing article has problems that can be fixed outside of AFD. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 05:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:06, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Jan Terri[edit]

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    No evidence of notability. Article is entirely self-sourced. Jacona (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    The rolling stone "mention" states that Jan Terri is obscure. Obscure. As in "not notable." If that mention makes this person notable, is there anyone left who is not notable?Jacona (talk) 23:12, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    I apologize; I did not mean to cause you any pain. err, uh, maybe "What does not kill you makes you stronger?" Jacona (talk) 02:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Chetti Thanabalasingam[edit]

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    Non notable person fails WP:Biography ,General notability guideline and is not inherited by his association to ), Velupillai Prabhakaran . Mylai roja (talk) 13:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was userfy. Moving article back to User:Lizardbones/DRAFT/Marziah Karch Swarm ♠ 04:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Marziah Karch[edit]

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    Article lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources to establish notability. There has been no significant improvement in the sourcing since the previous AFD. Whpq (talk) 13:35, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    You really should have written me a note first. This was up for less than a day. What I kept trying to do is move this thing to AFC. But that didn't seem to be a choice other than copy and pasting, and I remember that being something I shouldn't be doing. It comes up in Google search, and that bothers me. I tried to move it to another page, and someone said I did it wrong. So I said "screw it" and just published it so if it was stuck in search, it would come up as a real page. Now it's stuck in debate, when it could have just been moved somewhere else or maybe some setting could have been toggled off so it wasn't searchable anymore but retained the editing history. That part seemed to be important. This whole process is messy, arbitrary, and frustrating. I'd rather have someone else tell me it was ready (or tell me where it should be fixed) than have everyone pounce on this as soon as it goes live. Lizardbones (talk) 17:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    As nominator, I am okay with moving this back to draft. But I do want to point out that an AFC review is the opinion of only one person and an article put through AFC is still may be nominated for deletion. As for the additional sourcing, I addressed that in the nomination statement.--Whpq (talk) 23:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    So can we just end this thing and move it? We both agree it's fine to move it. I don't want to spend time debating the definition of "significant" for the next month. Lizardbones (talk) 06:04, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was merge to Coach (TV series). Courcelles (talk) 20:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Coach (2016 TV series)[edit]

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    Television project in development that is uncertain to ever enter production; standalone article fails WP:CRYSTAL, and this show's development process is not notable. Section at Coach (TV series) discussing proposed continuation is suitable. -- Wikipedical (talk) 09:24, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Delete. Wikipedia does not keep articles about every television project that enters the production pipeline — we keep articles only about the ones that actually come out the other end as completed projects that actually get scheduled and aired somewhere. A brief subsection in the article on the original series is all that's needed here. Bearcat (talk) 08:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    The British Irish Ulster Forum[edit]

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    No evidence that this is a notable forum. Website is currently dead. Ricky81682 (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Marie Odee Johnson[edit]

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    I'm not sure being one of the last surviving female veterans from WWI and being among one of the first as a Yeoman (F) is a sufficient combination for notability. Ricky81682 (talk) 04:22, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Do you have any actual sources to add? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was no consensus. Nominator is a sock, so this could have been speedily closed a whie ago, but we're here now. The rest of the debate leads to no real consensus. Courcelles (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Nguyễn Phúc Bửu Chánh[edit]

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    This biography does not assert notability in any way, except as founder of the "Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League", an article with not even one source created by the same user. This article does not have any sources either, and in the article itself states he does not represent the royal family or have any legitimacy. Nor is he related to the royal family. Cagepanes (talk) 03:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Delete for or lack of notability. Sourcing is not the real issue here. – but notability per Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline is determined by sources, not assertions of importance or fame. Cunard (talk) 03:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for the opportunity to clarify my position. My point was that, even if you resolved all of the sourcing issues to everybody's satisfaction, you still would not have resolved the question of notability. If, as is the case here, the subject's main claim to notability is that he advocates the ascension of some other person to the throne, then he himself is not a notable person. And this remains true even if you succeed in finding reliable sources for that claim. NewYorkActuary (talk) 04:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    List of the best-selling boy bands in Asia[edit]

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    Same problems as these previous lists this same editor created: List of the best selling boyband in the world & List of the best-selling boyband in the world which have been deleted. Also similar lists has been deleted multiple times in the past: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of best-selling boy bands (2nd nomination). Basically this list is entirely original research, there's no official charts for boy bands alone, so although sales figures are cited, combining them in this way is original synthesis. The inclusion criteria of what a "boy band" is arbitrary. Krystaleen 04:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]


    Is that you ? LOL what a stalker. You must be jelous and a plain haters IMO .

    To admin,

    The page does not had any problem so far as the source are stated and directly taken from legit site such as Oricon Official Chart, RIAJ Official Chart / site and etc. For the catogery of Boyband, several group like B'z and many other are not included because they are known more as Rock-band pr just a band. Its like when people and World in general rarely refer to The Beatles as boyband . For the proof and support my statement, peopłe are aware that Backstreetboy is officially the best selling boy band in the world by over 180 million records, what does this tell us ? Yes thats right, The Beatles obviously did not include on this list. Reason ? Because they are known as Rock Band or a BAND. How can you tell ? Well, of The Beatles is include among Boyband catogery, Backstreetboy would never officually dub as the best selling boyband in the world in first place. Instead , The Beatles would take that title because they sold around 600 million records . However, in this case they are not consider as Boyband, thus Backstreetboy grab the title of Best selling boyband in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MugenDarkness (talk • contribs) 04:38, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • MugenDarkness, please assume good faith. Calling someone "jealous" or a "stalker" (among other things) does not reflect well on you and actually puts you at risk of getting blocked for making personal attacks. The thing is, without some official chart or list that specifically focuses on boy bands, there's not really a good way to definitively back this up. The term "boy band" can be considered fairly loose, to be honest, and there are articles that compare the Beatles to a boy band - some of which are through MTV. ([26], [27]) Would I consider them a boy band? No, but I can somewhat see where some people get the claims from, at least from the band's early days. However I'm pointing this out to show how loose this term can be for many areas, which is why you will need to find an official list of some sort that clearly labels boy bands. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:17, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    Um, no. That user had been dissatified about me before, i had a debate and doubt her credibility because there are a currently event happend that she edit Wiki page based on her own " experience " LOL and ignore the actual fact, prove , feat and real event.


    if you want, i can include groups like B'z , LArc en Ciel and many others on the list IMO. That would settle both issue and prevent this page from being deleted . Lets see what kind of excuse that user might bring after this solve — Preceding unsigned comment added by MugenDarkness (talk • contribs) 09:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    • MugenDarkness, You need to provide sources that clearly define the term boy band and also clearly identify the aforementioned bands as the best selling and as a boy band. The term is an extremely loose one, which is what is posing the biggest issue here. While it's nowhere near as nasty as your comments before, your post here brushes dangerously close to being a bad faith statement. The user in question is not the point of this AfD (comment on the article, not the editor) and I'll be honest, I've found that people making comments like yours makes people less likely to assume good faith from you and see things your way. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • (User has now been blocked - they were warned about making personal attacks at 3RR and a block was mentioned at one point. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:18, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Rabinder Lala[edit]

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    Minor government official who doesn't satisfy WP:BIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Yolanda "La La" Brown[edit]

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    This R&B singer was featured on one song that barely made the charts before being murdered. That doesn't seem to satisfy WP:MUSICBIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:54, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. Swarm ♠ 04:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Tristan Stephenson[edit]

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    Notanillty not established. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:36, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Could we at least all agree that "Stephenson was also included in the Evening Standard's Top 1000 influential Londoners in 2012 in the category of "scenesters and drinkers".[14]" could be considered 'peripheral'.Caveywavey46 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Backbase[edit]

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    I came across this via another user that pointed out that the article is entirely sourced by press releases. I would have PRODed this, but it went through one already.

    Long story short, a search for sources didn't really bring up anything other than more press releases and things that look suspiciously like press releases. I found one or two sources like this one and some brief sources like this one, but nothing that would really show that this company would fully pass notability guidelines. If anyone can work some magic on this and find better sources, I'm open to this closing as a keep, but it looks like this company has really only ever been covered in press releases. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:30, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Swarm ♠ 04:01, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    BC Biomedical Laboratories Ltd.[edit]

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    I'm not entirely sure if this is fully notable and my searches found nothing better with the best results here, here and here. There's aso no obviously good move target with the two links being List of companies of Canada and former employee Arun Garg. SwisterTwister talk 23:28, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Add - editor was editing under their real name. See their linkedin profile. So yes a COI/PROMO directory piece. Jytdog (talk) 08:18, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was no consensus. Courcelles (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Chris Jones (filmmaker)[edit]

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    Not notable enough for Wikipedia and cannot find many sources to support his relevance/notability for Wikipedia. Possibly written by the subject himself. Sheroddy (talk) 23:12, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    And that is only from a Google Book search, and the list goes on.
    Nothing found on Highbeam? Well what about this? -- Sam Sailor Talk! 08:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Adirondack Children's Troupe[edit]

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    Local children's theatre group that seems to be closed now (www.adirondackchildrenstroupe.org, no other contact details obviously available) and my searches found no better results than this and this. With no signs of improvement, there's nothing to suggest keeping. Notifying the only still active user and therefore presumbaly interested, Achowat. SwisterTwister talk 22:29, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Delete - No references, no indication of nobility. It's been a bad article since I tagged it four years ago, and it's still not worthwhile. Achowat (talk) 21:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    One Way V.A.[edit]

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    Article lacks sources that indicate notability. Couldn't find any details of it at all elsewhere, but I might not call it a hoax yet. TheGGoose (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Skills for Change[edit]

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    Deleted as expired PROD. I restored it per an email objecting to the deletion, but there is not much evidence of notability so bringing to AfD for full discussion. Rlendog (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Comment - Here is an article about them [39]. Looked for more but the rest were quick mentions or announcements. I will check some archives when I have access later in the day.--TTTommy111 (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was no consensus. Article was not expanded to alleviate the burden of proof. A WP:BEFORE search does reveal a seeming number of sources to support the two other participants in the discussion. Closing as no consensus for now as I expect a bit more time will demonstrate whether this article will definitively be able to meet to our notability guidelines. Mkdwtalk 16:19, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Static (Huntress album)[edit]

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    Not notable. Future album lacking coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Ang Iglesia Metodista sa Pilipinas[edit]

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    Article fails WP:NOTABILITY, relies too much on primary sources and original research (which includes citations that are mostly prescriptive/dogmatic rather than descriptive of the subject matter). In addition, based on the talk page, its primary editors have a close personal involvement to the subject of the article (Fails Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and qualifies as WP:PROMOTION).

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    The result was delete, WP:SOFTDELETE--Ymblanter (talk) 07:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    John LaMotta[edit]

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    Delete: as non-notable actor. Quis separabit? 00:55, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was redirect to Armin Shimerman. Been up 3 weeks and it's unlikely a 3rd relist would gain any votes so redirecting (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Kitty Swink[edit]

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    Delete: non-notable actress. Quis separabit? 00:51, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 20:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Michael Brin Prize in Dynamical Systems[edit]

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    No indication that the award itself satisfies WP:GNG. Based on the references given and my own search for additional sources, the only coverage appears to be listings of who won the award in a single journal. There appears to be no in-depth coverage of the award itself. Nick⁠—⁠Contact/Contribs 00:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    Comment. Somewhat more coverage turns up using the shorter search string "Brin Prize", visible in the "Find sources" links above. This includes assorted papers reviewing the works of the various award winners. Whether that's enough to keep the article remains for discussion. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was redirect to 2015 Chinese stock market crash. No discrimination against a merge but 2015 Chinese stock market crash already had a brief section about black Monday and overall responses. Mkdwtalk 16:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Chinese black monday[edit]

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    Can see no reason (as yet) for this to exist as an article separate from 2015 Chinese stock market crash, in my opinion a story with a long way to go. There may well be blacker Mondays or indeed Wednesdays ahead. Black Monday is merely the headline created by a very unimaginative sub-editor, which is why I do not think this worthy of a redirect. TheLongTone (talk) 12:54, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • @MPS: There's already an article, 2015 stock market selloff, about the global selloff (which has more info about Black Monday than the stub we're discussing). And there is 2015 Chinese stock market crash about the Chinese crash; both articles are relatively well developed. We don't need a third article about the same event. -Zanhe (talk) 19:32, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was delete and replace with a disambiguation page as Mark viking suggests. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:13, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Order of a polynomial[edit]

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    The title is usurpatory, as it has several common meanings, none corresponding to the content of the article. This cannot be solved by moving the article, because of the multiple issues listed in the talk page: the concept is not well defined. The only possible definition that fits the examples is not a property of the polynomial, but of an auxiliary basis. The article refers to a unique source, which is a book about splines, a different subject. It seems that the article is a WP:OR tentative to generalize the well defined notion of "order of of a spline interpolation", which is based on a misunderstanding of this notion. In any case, the article content is either WP:OR or non-notable, and, thus, cannot be saved for making an encyclopedic article. D.Lazard (talk) 10:02, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Comment. Look a little more closely at this page. In the example given, a degree one polynomial has order n, thus degree and order are not being used as synonyms contrary to what Wolfram is saying. The fact that the article led you astray speaks against keeping it.Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 22:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was redirect to List of primary schools in Singapore. As always most primary schools get redirected to school districts or towns, Pointless reverting but there we go, (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 00:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Saint Stephen's School, Singapore[edit]

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    This article about a non notable primary (elementary) school was originally redirected to the list of schools in Singapore according to the general consensus and oractice as documented at WP:OUTCOMES and in WP:DELETION policy as 'redirect' being an appropriate alternative to outright deletion in many cases. An editor has reverted the redirect, so based on policy, guidelines, and accepted practice, the community is asked to clarify that redirect rather than deletion is indeed the more appropriate status for this article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:56, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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    The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 07:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Lankadesigners.com[edit]

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    I don't think this meets the notability guideline. Was tagged CSD A7 twice, but I disagree. Adam9007 (talk) 01:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (This is a Fastest Growing Web Development Company in Sri Lanka .. I Will Update More details ASAP ) --Pathiranag (talk) 01:00, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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    The result was speedy redirect to Midwifery. (non-admin closure) Kraxler (talk) 20:30, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    Midwife[edit]

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    This article is basically a dictionary entry, but Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The basic concept of midwifery is already covered at the article midwifery. It is not clear how the scope of this article would be different than that article, other than defining the specific term "midwife" (which should be done on Wiktionary). Kaldari (talk) 00:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

    It was a redirect and was only recently expanded inappropriately. I don't think this AfD is necessary - we can just revert back to the redirect. Jytdog (talk) 00:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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