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The result was keep. Yunshui  11:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cashel Palace Hotel[edit]

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unnotable and lacking sources Dlabtot (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ami Yamazaki[edit]

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A BLP that lacks sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. Sigificant RS coverage not found. The article is cited to online directories, interviews, commercial websites, and other sources otherwise not suitable for notability. Does not meet WP:PORNBIO, WP:NACTOR, or WP:MUSICBIO. No significant awards or notable contributions to the genre. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tom bolema[edit]

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I can't find any reliable sources that even mention this person, much less discuss them in depth. Thus, this article is not verifiable, meaning it should be deleted. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 22:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The original creator of the article is assumed by this editor to be the subject himself. WP:COISELF is obviously trodden upon here. If this article was written about his work in the penal system and his previous music/organizing experience added as additional biographical information, there may be an article here. I cannot find substantive changes he has made in WP:SECONDARY sources to support such an WP:AfC. This article should be deleted, and (perhaps) properly created with the subjects name as a proper noun: Tom Bolema. (The man didn't even capitalize his own name....) Users Bishonen and PamD nailed it. Ventric (talk) 22:49, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Mira (AK-84). Yunshui  11:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Robert M. Emery[edit]

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Fails the notability guideline for military personnel. It's a great honor to have a ship named after you and those of us from the US are certainly all proud and grateful for this man's service. However, since the naming of that particular class of ship is designated to be winners of the Distinguished Service Cross and our cut-off for presumed notability is at the Medal of Honor, a higher award, without further reason, that alone is not enough to show notability. It would need to be shown that this person would meet ANYBIO, and it does not appear he does. John from Idegon (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Yunshui  11:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Scandinavian Airlines System Flight 901[edit]

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Not notable aviation incident. Runway overruns are common. No need for an independent article. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:20, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Porch Pirates[edit]

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If Wikipedia were to have an article on this topic, it would need to be a rewrite at Package theft. This article is marketing copy from a personal security equipment company. Υπογράφω (talk) 20:44, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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It was tagged as a copyvio already, and then the article creator (and, I presume, the source website owner) added a CC license to the source. So I don't think G12 is applicable. Υπογράφω (talk) 22:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn See comment below. (non-admin closure)Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 06:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Harry Light[edit]

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Not seeing evidence of notability here. Sources are only brief mentions or not reliable sources. I couldn't find anything better when I searched. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 20:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, the first source, which the article is based almost entirely on, is ok. But the issue is that the only good one. The rest are trivial mentions or not reliable source. Wikipedia generally requires multiple good sources. However, if sources are difficult to come by for this topic during this period of history, perhaps I have misjudged this one. A bit of a borderline call anyway, so I'll withdraw my nomination. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 06:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ansh666 10:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Obasi Igwe[edit]

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Non-notable person. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:09, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:52, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sousa Dias[edit]

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I can't find the slightest indication that this person passes WP:GNG or WP:NPROF. Admittedly I'm hampered by being restricted to searching in English only, but I don't see that he would pass any of the NPROF criteria based on the checks I've done. ♠PMC(talk) 12:37, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as expired WP:PROD. ansh666 10:14, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Soma Sonic[edit]

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I've done my best but can't find enough substantive content to justify keeping this article. The most significant coverage I can find are two reviews on Exclaim.ca ([6] and [7], one for each of their albums) and I just don't think it's enough. I've checked AllMusic, Google, GNews, GBooks, and Highbeam and come up dry.

That being said there may be electronic music RSes that I've missed, so I am happy to withdraw if anything substantive is located. ♠PMC(talk) 12:22, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:34, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Jews from New York City[edit]

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Still fails WP:LISTN despite being a recreation of an article previously deleted via AfD. Most of the items in the list do not have sources indicating that they are members, and we already have an article named Jews in New York City. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 18:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 275 people, NINE sources in the article. I'm tired of 'keep it because they're famous' articles with a paucity of sources here. Improve or don't bother with these articles. Nate (chatter) 05:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Hart (basketball)[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:GNG with only some WP:ROUTINE coverage and local mentions. Also WP:TOOSOON for WP:NHOOPS as he is currently with a fairly low level league and is in his first pro year, would likely get more coverage in one of the European leagues. It seems his most significant depth of coverage article is this one from The Buffalo News, however, he was only covered in that paper because he was once a high school athlete there and seems to fail the intent of WP:NHSPHSATH (local coverage of a high school player/former player and signings/transfers/trades are also commonly considered routine). Yosemiter (talk) 18:01, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shelby Welinder[edit]

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None of the sources seems to be independent, and only one of them has more than two sentences about her. She doesn't seem to meet any relevant notability guidelines. KSFT (t|c) 17:59, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ansh666 10:17, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Murder of Nikolai Volkov[edit]

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While tragic, this is simply coverage of a murder. As per WP:NOTNEWS. Onel5969 TT me 17:50, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Yunshui  11:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tyrell Fortune[edit]

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Lacks the coverage to meet WP:GNG and fails to meet the notability standards for MMA fighters or sportspeople. He never competed at the highest level of his sport--only at junior or university competitions. Not sure how he was an 8 time high school American (an undocumented claim) while winning only 2 state high school championships.Sandals1 (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of tallest buildings and structures in Blackpool[edit]

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Following the demolition of Walter Robinson Court, Elizabeth Court and Churchill Court, this list article is reduced to effectively comprise three entries: the Blackpool Tower and two theme park rides. Given that there are no plans to build any structures of significant height in Blackpool beyond this, I am nominating this article for deletion because it is not notable for these reasons. Beeperbeeper5 (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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By the way, if Walter Robinson Court has in fact been demolished, then someone should update List of tallest buildings by United Kingdom settlement which maybe now should drop it, and perhaps update List of tallest destroyed buildings and structures in the United Kingdom which maybe now should add it. --Doncram (talk) 04:15, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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the page has been deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:9019:1800:10D0:DD3E:13BF:F851 (talk) 20:33, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aria Networks[edit]

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Though the article was kept at a 2010 AfD, this was based on one article in The Express (which I've added), a press release and an 'article' on an independent financila advisor company website. I can't imagine that would take it past today's WP:NCORP notability threshold. I can find nothing else of substance online about the company, other than press releases, the usual company directory profiles and the occasional blog. The company claims to be a pioneer but I can't see any independent proof. This company is operating in the digital age so I'd expect to be able to find coverage if it existed. All this, combined with the continual attempts by IPs to re-write it advertorially, had led me to think it's better the article is deleted. fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. Sionk (talk) 13:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per CSD G5. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dada Pamma Ram Mela[edit]

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Notability per WP:NEVENT uncertain for me. Was going to A7, but good coverage is found in those sources. Appears to be an insignificant local event, but if it were anything else it would pass WP:GNG probably. The page creator has not done a good job of explaining its significance. Bringing here for discussion and community consideration. !dave 13:01, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. As Women's football in Liechtenstein. Sandstein 12:15, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Liechtenstein women's national football team[edit]

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The article clearly states there's no team and hardly any plans to create one. WikiArticleEditor (talk) 12:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. No reason why junior teams shouldn't have their own article, especially those that have played competitive matches, so not sure why this is being used as a holding pen. I think at this stage the U-16 team is the same as the U-17 team given when they both competed, but I see no reason not to have Liechtenstein women's national under-17 football team and Liechtenstein women's national under-19 football team, as viable standalone articles.
  2. The Background and Development section should be moved to Football in Liechtenstein as well sourced prose, but nonetheless prose that is more closely related to the women's game in Liechtenstein as a sport rather than the national team specifically. I will look to do this shortly. Fenix down (talk) 11:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have now moved relevant sourced prose to Football in Liechtenstein where I think it is more relevant and where it is appropriate that content discussing a team which does not exist should be held. Fenix down (talk) 11:47, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr. Blofeld: @Megalibrarygirl:, do we really need to split Football in Liechtenstein at this point in time? Not really sure there is sufficient content in that article to warrant one article on men's football and one article on women's football. Fenix down (talk) 09:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's enough content to justify it's own article without bloating the other but doesn't really matter that much. Why not? We're not paper.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's just not really how things are done. There are only a couple of articles specifically on women's football in individual countries, the sport is normally documented without the need to split by gender. Here we seem to want to split a four paragraph article into a couple of two paragraph articles. Not saying that there won't be a need in the future, but just don't see the need here now. More importantly, such a split actually serves to make it more difficult for readers to find out about women's football in Liechtenstein. As Template:Football in Europe templates shows, the conventional heading is simply "Football in ...". Fenix down (talk) 12:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's only one editor I know who was heavily into Russian topics and a curious interest in Bhutan and that was Russavia. It's highly unusual for an editor to have a major interest in both. Just saying. ;-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:28, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if that's the case, I suppose the redirect from the original title should be deleted. The very fact that Liechtenstein is on the list of women's national association football teams seems misleading. It also seems the whole list should be revised. Turkmenistan is the first link I clicked on... WikiArticleEditor (talk) 16:57, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ansh666 10:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Amer Hakeem[edit]

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Clearly fails WP:NFOOTY. Happy New Year!!! Babymissfortune 11:23, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus (NPASR). (non-admin closure) Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 10:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nice Evening[edit]

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Non-notable talk show lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 15:56, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Harut111: If what you're saying is true there should be a lot of coverage of the show in Armenian secondary sources. Are you able to produce some news sources/reviews from Armenian reliable sources talking about the show? I'd look for them myself, but I know zero Armenian. Brustopher (talk) 16:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Aren't we going to finish the discussion? It has been more that 10 days... Harut111 (talk) 17:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Flawed arguments on the keep side QEDK and Eloquai, please read WP:INHERITED) but no one has specifically rebutted Thinker78's sources (or the last-minute additions from CASSIOPEIA) which seem to be robust enough to support a BLP. A Traintalk 12:51, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rich Riley[edit]

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A man with a job. Unreliable. Article seems to be a result of COI, sockpuppetry, subsequent removal/redirecting and subsequent restoring. The Banner talk 21:34, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think AfD is appropriate for this. We've played this cat and mouse game many times before with determined COI/SPAs. It's been up for discussion before. The same person(s) (as per behaviour) regularly try to revert the decisions formed by consensus by established editors - often with sticking in a cheeky dig too, perhaps out of spite or perhaps out of deception by distraction (e.g. in this instance the editor who'd never used this site before said 'removed sockpuppet edit'). I've just undone their edits as there doesn't seem to be significant coverage (other than that associated with the company's take-over) of the subject and this is just another attempt to circumvent. Rayman60 (talk) 22:11, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Could be, but deserves the community to suffer from this? Why not protecting, salting or what ever other trick that is possible? The Banner talk 22:18, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
When the time is there, and the decision is to delete it might be a good idea to salt this article to avoid the sockpuppetry, cat-and-mouse and other games played in the past. The Banner talk 18:03, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I found it notable. Please add a threaded comment under my findings above to discuss it. And, per WP:SPIP, in my opinion, " people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it—without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter" (see the references I included in my comment above). Also, per WP:ATD, "Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases. The content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used first..." Thinker78 (talk) 06:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I found it notable. Please add a threaded comment under my findings above to discuss it. Remember that decisions are taken by consensus so other comments should be read and comment on as well if they are against your opinion. Thinker78 (talk) 06:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ansh666 10:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Guardic[edit]

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I got nothing. Fails WP:GNG. Coin945 (talk) 09:54, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I could also not find anything - Shame. Looks like a fun game Lee Vilenski(talk) 15:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ansh666 10:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Color Lines[edit]

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I've searched...and come up with nada. Coin945 (talk) 10:03, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I could find nothing either: No reviews on GameRankings either. Lee Vilenski(talk) 15:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. ansh666 10:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Abyss (video game)[edit]

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I'm getting bupkis. I'm convinced it exists, but the literature doesn't have much to say about it unfortunately. Coin945 (talk) 09:49, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete – some reviews in print sources but fairly trivial. It's possible more exist that aren't findable online but I doubt enough to make it notable PriceDL (talk) 17:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Rivet#Installation. Content is still visible in history if anyone wishes to merge or copy to draft (with attribution of course). ansh666 10:26, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bucking bar[edit]

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This article currently consists of an unsourced dictionary definition, and any additional future content could easily be included in Rivet or Rivet gun. The topic has no significance outside of its role in the riveting process. –dlthewave 04:00, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. It seems like this is dlthewave's payback for me mentioning that I felt Stephen Paddock should not be given an article. I posted comments about thinking it didn't seem right that a murderer like Stephen Paddock be considered notable and be given an article - now with an expanded personal life section - versus someone like Heather Meyer who was killed at the Charlottesville Rally back in August. The user has edited articles on both the Charlottesville Unite the Right Rally and the Las Vegas Shooting article. I've expressed my opinion that victims should be notable because focusing on criminals gives the criminal more attention and incentives further violence. In regards to the Bucking Bar article which I created after being surprised there was no article on Wikipedia about it, I have discussed with someone in the past on Wikipedia who agreed that since there is likely an article for Hammer, which is a tool which could be made of many different things, there should be an article for a Bucking Bar. I actually didn't know if there was an article for Hammer but was pretty confident there was one. Indeed, there is a very nice article for Hammer. There are whole companies which sell Bucking Bars. I feel there should be a Bucking Bar article. Synesthetic (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well... leaving aside the motivation here... there seems to be a lot to say about hammers, seeing as there are a gazillion types and they have been around since some Australopithecine got tired of bruising their knuckles. Is there much to say about bucking bars, beside the dicdef? "Piece of metal behind rivet" doesn't lend itself much to informative coverage in secondary sources... maybe etymology, but that's still within dicdef territory. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:41, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Okay so there is an article for anvil already which a bucking bar appears to be a type of. I would still think bucking bar deserves a page. Think about all of the things in your life which are riveted. Bucking bars helped create them. Synesthetic (talk) 04:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't mind if there could be a stand-alone article having been an automotive technician and paint and body man for over 30 years. I have used a pneumatic rivet gun, that will not work without a bucking bar set, that actually is like a mobile anvil and similar to a dolly used in bodywork. Given some of the other options above I would prefer stand-alone considering there is Hammer (firearms), Trigger (firearms), and other like articles.
To some, the apparent "sourcing thing" might be deemed a thing of the past but at present, and no viable options offered, (there are no references), I have a hard time with other options. Otr500 (talk) 04:36, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. JPL's BLP concerns appear to have been addressed. A Traintalk 12:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oskar Keymer[edit]

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WP:BLP of an actor, with no strong claim of notability per WP:NACTOR and no reliable source coverage to support it. His roles so far appear to be minor ones, not "major" roles for the purposes of clearing NACTOR, because none of the ones that have Wikipedia articles list him in their cast lists at all, and several of them don't even appear in his IMDb credits either, and the article doesn't cite any references at all. As always, every actor does not automatically get a Wikipedia article just because he has an IMDb profile -- he needs to be the subject of media coverage for an article to become earned, but there's no evidence that Oskar Keymer has been. And his article on de: doesn't cite any references either, so we can't just salvage this by copying anything over from there. The only reason I'm not also listing the German article for deletion is that I don't speak or write German in order to navigate the process. Bearcat (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Kusma, this is an unreferenced blp. Do you have multiple, independent sources to confirm notability? Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 19:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am aware that this is currently a completely unreferenced BLP (so I'm not voting "keep"), but he does meet WP:NACTOR per his films (which unfortunately don't have articles in English). Possible sources: [22] (mentioning his date of birth), [23], [24]. (Just from a Google News search for his name). —Kusma (t·c) 21:41, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. The keep !votes have failed to address the nominator's concern that there is no significant coverage in reliable sources. – Joe (talk) 16:45, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tanner Buchanan[edit]

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WP:BLP of an actor, with no strong claim to passing WP:NACTOR and no strong reliable source coverage to support it. His "most notable role" is as a recurring supporting character, not as a main one, and his other listed roles are all one-off television appearances or minor characters in films -- and the only source present here is a post to his sister's Instagram account. As always, an actor does not automatically get a Wikipedia article just because he's had roles -- he has to be the subject of reliable source coverage in real (not social) media about him and his performances in those roles before an article becomes appropriate, but there's no evidence of that being shown here at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've seen articles about cast members of say Survivor, do nothing after and keep an article, while Teck Holmes cannot have one, despite having an accomplished career in entertainment, because he "only did MTV" as a castmember of Real World. Notability shouldn't be so subjective. Just my 2c — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.206.94.35 (talk) 20:42, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 04:34, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vada O. Manager[edit]

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A CV-like page on an unremarkable business executive. Does not meet WP:ANYBIO and significant RS coverage not found. Article is cited to passing mentions, WP:SPIP and other sources otherwise not suitable for notability. Created by a banned sock Special:Contributions/Salmonthelovedog. Not notable for public career either. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:22, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 16:49, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Garry Roost[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO and WP:NACTOR. I found this and this, but it hardly supports notability. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "Three references are about the same thing and it is considered as one towards notability" - seriously? --Michig (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. A Traintalk 13:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lily Jay[edit]

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most of the claimed notability is not in my field, but I don';t see how any of it meets my standard. The Huffington Post does not have sufficient editorial control for a BLP, and the Inc item is a Inc Profile , which any privately owned business with an English language website can get for $30 a year.[29] . (I suspect we may have to check every article on a business using an Inc reference to remove the ones that are Inc Profiles.-- I did not realize how useless they wee until I read all the details on the linked page--by expanding the faqs at the bottom) DGG ( talk ) 07:12, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • As John Pack Lambert pointed out, IMDb is not a reliable source (see WP:IMDBREF), and a list of television appearances does not show notability regardless. Unsure what the significant coverage of her modelling career you're referring to is. Only independent source (that is, not self published or based on a press release) is an interview with her on blogging platform Medium. Kb.au (talk) 09:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(correction The Inc articles was not a link profile, as Litholdor pointed out to me on my talk p. I'd say it would be more accurately classed as a press release, or at best an advertorial. The give-away was the author, "By Wanda Thibodeaux, Copywriter, TakingDictation.com", and the expected line at the bottom: "The opinions expressed here by Inc.com columnists are their own, not those of Inc.com." DGG ( talk ) 18:11, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete as expired WP:PROD. ansh666 10:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Herois e vampiros[edit]

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Article seems to fail WP:GNG. Coin945 (talk) 03:19, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ansh666 10:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

D3 (expo)[edit]

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A one-time Expo in 2006. Coin945 (talk) 03:00, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. A Traintalk 13:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Next Selangor state election[edit]

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No notability and references angys (Talk Talk) 10:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply But why? The election aren't held at others time like Sarawak. It is not necessary to create an articleto describe it. If this keep, there will same article like Penang, Johor and other states. angys (Talk Talk) 11:36, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep and move to Thunder Fox (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim!  15:40, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ThunderFox[edit]

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Pre-internet games are notoriously hard to source, but this one seems harder than most. Coin945 (talk) 01:32, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ansh666 10:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prolific Publishing[edit]

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Three line stub. Does this really have enough notability for a whole article? Coin945 (talk) 01:39, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of arcade video games: Not released[edit]

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Completely unsourced, this article contains a list of games struggling for independent notability due to all being unreleased. It's essentially a list of redlinks. Coin945 (talk) 01:37, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Zxcvbnm FWIW this was split when the main article was separated due to size concerns (June 2013). Talk:List of arcade video games#Size split?. The decision to separate "Unreleased" games seems to be an editorial decision of the user making the alphabetical split. Ben · Salvidrim!  07:17, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously. Ben · Salvidrim!  07:17, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus (NPASR). (non-admin closure) Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 11:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Harobots[edit]

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Article is confusingly written and scope is not clear. If this is notable is may be better to nuke and start again. Coin945 (talk) 01:35, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as expired WP:PROD. ansh666 10:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Assassin 3D[edit]

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Unsourced wall of text. Coin945 (talk) 01:29, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ansh666 10:29, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regional converter[edit]

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Can't find enough coverage about this particular term. Coin945 (talk) 01:21, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. ansh666 10:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fishing video game[edit]

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I don't think this is a sub-genre in the video gaming literature. Coin945 (talk) 01:16, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Do they classify themselves as "fishing video games", and do critics bunch them all together into a 'genre'? Or do they all just happen to share a common theme?--Coin945 (talk) 15:35, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, they classify themselves as fishing games or simulators and there is a niche market for them. I remember there being various fishing rod peripherals. So I think there's enough for an article that would be unfit to merge into "action game".ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:51, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Military simulation. (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim!  15:39, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual battlefield[edit]

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Is this a neologism? Coin945 (talk) 01:02, 25 December 2017 (UTC) Fails WP:GNG--Coin945 (talk) 01:42, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete as expired WP:PROD. ansh666 10:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gallagher's Gallery[edit]

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I can't find any sources. It's part of a larger series. Could be merged? Coin945 (talk) 00:59, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of Macintosh games. (non-admin closure)MRD2014 Talk 03:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

AmoebArena[edit]

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I can't find sources. Coin945 (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2017 Long Beach shooting[edit]

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A tragic but otherwise unnotable shooting. The coverage was limited to a day (maybe two at best) but Wikipedia is not news and the death of the perp means no trial so continued coverage or a lasting impact are both highly unlikely. Some of this may be attested to a more recent shooting in the same region but an excuse doesn't suit our notability guidelines. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 09:50, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:54, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Full Grown. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gavin Munro[edit]

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Depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, and is about the company, not about the person. cnzx (talkcontribs) 08:32, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vaild point. Blackash (talk) 10:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy redirect to 2017 Long Branch, New Jersey shootings as a duplicate article; no need to have two discussions ongoing at the same time. ansh666 05:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Long Branch shooting[edit]

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Per WP:NCRIME cnzx (talkcontribs) 08:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, a run-of-the-mill incident (by the US standards)--Ymblanter (talk) 10:47, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus (NPASR). (non-admin closure) Optakeover(U)(T)(C) 10:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

James deSouza[edit]

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Catholic priest of below bishop rank. WP:MILL biography, no indication of meeting WP:GNG. Cited coverage is passing mentions or dead links. Sandstein 09:54, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 16:51, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WiFi Map[edit]

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Fails GNG. No significant coverage found. Third-party sources provided appear to be sponsored content without editorial independence. James (talk/contribs) 16:13, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think we can safely draw that conclusion from just that comment. Assume good faith. It is a reasonable expectation that a Wikipedia article one creates will become visible on Google - article creators want their article to be read, otherwise what would be the point of writing it - the article creator may not have known about Google's indexing delays or other possible benign explanations for the issue.--greenrd (talk) 07:58, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Extra comments: There are potential legal ramifications. When an app goes beyond broadcasting Public WiFi hotspots, to arguably stealing "private WiFi", otherwise referred to as “Piggybacking” or "WiFi squatting" and many have likely done this on a neighbors WiFi, but provides the location and passwords of "private" connections, this should be scary to many.
A friend can visit, ask permission (legal) to use your WiFi, then post this information (not legal) so others using the app can now use the WiFi which is stealing (unauthorized use) and if this person does not have unlimited WiFi (a lot of us don't) there is a monetary loss, but certainly a breech of privacy. If you look out your window, and see a strange vehicle do not be alarmed, it is just a person checking his/her facebook and not "casing the joint". If you are the person in the vehicle, do not worry (even if you are "casing the joint") just explain to the officer you were just checking your email using this cool app you learned about on Wikipedia (it could happen), apologize and you will just be directed to leave. There are plenty more private connections on the app you can "explore".
There have been arrests, litigation, and even corporate lawsuits (Comcast, Google) on the legality of "WiFi squatting" as violating the 1986 federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. If you walk or drive down the street and your cell phone (or other tech equipment) hits on an open "hotspot" (intentionally open), this is not considered to be illegal but "IF you know" (your app is seeking out more than "open" WiFi) there can be culpability. At the least you are an accidental criminal. Now we have Wikipedia providing a vehicle to advance this with provided instructions.
"IF" consensus decides to keep this instruction manual , it should be reduced to the content of the lead as a stub (there will still be reliable sources issues concerning notability as opposed to advertising) either by consensus or an administrator. Wikipedia can surely (I hope) do better than this. Otr500 (talk) 14:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Mashinsky[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO due to lack substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources that are intellectually independent from the subject. Rentier (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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For the record, The Economist article is also a trivial mention, its main subject is one of his companies. The coverage of him is limited to seven words: "Israeli with a background in commodity trading" [31]. All in all, the collection of brief mentions clearly fails the spirit and the letter of WP:ANYBIO. As far as I can tell, no independent reliable source has ever dedicated more than half of a sentence to Mashinsky. Rentier (talk) 12:34, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There is no way to tell from Google Books snippets whether the coverage in the Economist article is significant or not. I have access to the full text via a university library and can confirm that there is very little coverage of Mashinsky himself - certainly none beyond the first paragraph, which contains the seven words quoted by Rentier and that he had the idea for his company's business model while lying in his bed in 1993 and had an office above a Manhattan disco. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 09:51, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, thanks for your insights. What do you think of the following references? I think the following references definitely makes him eligible for a Wikipedia page. Looking forward for your insights.
Listing in Internet Telephony Magazine(Top 100 voices of IP Communication) with one full paragraph dedicated to him[1]
A full article dedicated to Alex Mashinsky on New Jersey Journal[2]
Listed in Business Insider's list of Top Entrepreneurs of 2011[3]
A complete article on Crains New York about Alex Mashinsky[4]
Winner of Einstein technology award from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu[5]
Technology Foresight Award from the Wall Street Journal and WCA at the International Telecommunications Union’s Telecom ’99 event[6]
Alex received the “Star of the Industry” award from the Computer Telephony Magazine for building the world’s largest PC switch and the world’s first soft-switch[7]
Another article from LightReading that discusses about Alex Mashinsky and his achievements[8]REMIAH (talk) 05:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not convinced. The awards and "top 100" and "top 35" listings are all the kind of thing that one gets if good at self-promotion, and kudos to Mashinsky for being good at that, but not the kind of thing that denotes real notability. The information in those sources all seems to come from Mashinsky himself, rather than any independent source. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 17:55, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 18:47, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Bartlett[edit]

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Couldn't find any feasible third-party independent sources in accordance with the notability guidelines to back this article up. Sources at the moment are just small mentions that are affiliated with him. FiendYT 19:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Ilias Kanchan#Filmography. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ilias Kanchan filmography[edit]

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Pure listcruft. No sources, could be original research and the films the actor starred on doesn't even have their own articles. Happy New Year!!! Babymissfortune 07:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for pointing this out. I have restored the full filmography in the Ilias Kanchan article. --Michig (talk) 20:17, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Philippines Memory of the World Register[edit]

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This article is no more than a WP:CFORK of Memory of the World Register – Asia and the Pacific. It contains a list of the Filipino documents listed in the UNESCO register, which is the same content that can be found in the parent article, plus what seems to be a long and unencyclopedic rant by the author about what documents they believe should be included on the register (a violation of WP:NOR).

Unlike the similarly-titled UK Memory of the World Register, which concerns a distinct national list maintained by the British government independent of UNESCO, there is no indication anywhere other than this Wikipedia article that such a list exists in the Philippines. The website of the Filipino delegation to UNESCO mentions nothing about the existence of such a register. Rfwang4 (talk) 07:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Killiondude (talk) 07:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Someone Like Me (novel)[edit]

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Does not appear to be a notable novel; I couldn't find any significant coverage at all online, though as it's from 1997, it's possible that there might be offline coverage out there. The book's author does not have an article and does not appear to be notable either, so there's no possible redirect target as an alternative. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:08, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jumana Nagarwala[edit]

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Considering there are just charges, this may be a BLP violation. DGG ( talk ) 06:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. If somebody wants to recreate it as a redirect to List of members of the AVN Hall of Fame, feel free. – Joe (talk) 15:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Janet Jacme[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO. The sources are not reliable enough for notability, and searching on Google does not give even a single result at all. Steve Quinn tried to draftify this, but the draftification was reverted by Malik Shabazz. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:58, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Please provide sources that show GNG is met and the AVN hall of fame is not an independent reliable source as its function is to promote the porn industry and its actors. Notablity is not inherited. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 07:49, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NookieChat[edit]

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An advertorially toned page for a nn business. Significant RS coverage not found. Article sourced to passing mentions and / or WP:SPIP sources. Created by Special:Contributions/KingofEnggs currently indef blocked for abusing multiple accounts. Fails WP:NCORP / WP:CORPDEPTH. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:58, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:15, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Picasso[edit]

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Only trivial mentions in sources. Of the sources cited, 3 are one sentence descriptions of shows he did, 1 is a 3/4 sentence description of a show he did, 1 is a column by the author, and 1 is an explanation of a trick he developed. See Talk:Tony Picasso#Source content. Fails WP:GNG. Awards mentioned are not notable so fails WP:ANYBIO. PriceDL (talk) 04:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prince Caperal[edit]

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Fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:51, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anjo Caram[edit]

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Fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:51, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Echavez[edit]

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Fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:50, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mat McCoy[edit]

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Can only find trivial mentions. Fails WP:GNG PriceDL (talk) 03:37, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ashi Singh[edit]

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This orphaned article fails WP:NACTOR: "has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions". Actor has had a lead role in one (singular) television show, plus one minor role in a different show, and also appeared in a YouTube video. The one TV show she has had a lead role in is produced by a minor Indian (sub top 5) TV network. A search on Google News fails to find significant coverage in RS, with mentions of her limited to indianwikimedia and a few other non-RS sites. The only source currently in this article simply establishes that she is currently alive, and provides no further information including DOB, place of birth, or any other basic biographical data. May be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Chetsford (talk) 02:50, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shin Mi-na[edit]

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This orphaned article may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. While we have two WP:RS that establish Shin Mi-na is, in fact, a real living person, neither of them provide any substantive information on her and only mention her in passing. We don't even have a source to confirm her DOB. Three years ago she published a poem on a small geocities-esque website (http://creationandcriticism.com/) and she has another poem scheduled to be published on the same website. Chetsford (talk) 02:41, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:07, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reid Lamberty[edit]

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Fails GNG and JOURNALIST, in terms of notability. He's just an on-air journalist (as was I) for TV stations that do not have national reach or significance. He's also a freelance journalist, of which there are many in the US. Kiteinthewind Leave a message! 20:52, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. If any participants (or others) want a copy of the article to incorporate content into other (appropriate) articles, I can userfy or email you a copy. There seems to be clear consensus that this article, as it stands, violates WP:NOT. As an interesting note, there was something like 17 redirects pointing to this page, which I deleted. Wow. Killiondude (talk) 07:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Disengaging from an abuser using the no contact rule or grey rock method[edit]

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This is a how-to guide, not an encyclopedia article. Worse, it's a how-to guide giving advice on a mental health topic, which arguably makes it medical advice, something Wikipedia explicitly should not give. It may be possible to write separate encyclopedia articles about the "no contact rule" or the "grey rock method", but this page is not an encyclopedia article and cannot be turned into one. If someone has an idea what alternative outlet might be interested in this kind of content, moving it somewhere else before it's deleted here may be an option. Huon (talk) 01:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Extra comments: We have comments to keep the article, I suppose just to "push the envelope", even offering "Rename to "Self-help advice" (or delete)". Three references each on both "concepts make it seem well referenced but is actually just ref-bombing. A problem is the "combining" of Disengaging from an abuser, with one "method" the self-explanatory "no contact rule" and a totally different "grey rock method", is a problem when the combination is synthesis (even in the title), which is part of the no original research policy. Moving the title to "Grey rock method" would just be a shorter title and combining two different concepts. There should be no place on Wikipedia for any of this combining. I am not stating either "concept" is not likely notable on their own but this article and the self-help concept is more often than not biased. Both have controversies (like references, "no contact rule after breakup" and conclusion that it dosn't work and "Do You Sabotage Yourself With the Gray Rock Method?) but the "feel-good" concept of "helping yourself" will usually leave that out, certainly against WP:5P2. Note: I am against sites like lownerwolf (not reliable source) because the articles almost always conclude with advertising to buy, as opposed to just editorials: lonerwolf.com; COMPLETE WORKS MEGA BUNDLE, so a person reading and identifying with the reference, would need to invoke some form of "grey rock technique" to avoid being sucked into the bundle offer. Otr500 (talk) 01:35, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:02, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Whitehead[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL JMHamo (talk) 00:56, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. – Joe (talk) 15:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Child Lying[edit]

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Indiscriminate POV fork, article is not focused on one topic, written like an essay. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:49, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The citation placement fosters and advances an article full of possible WP:OR. Open a paragraph with from three to five words, hit it with relevant (for that content) references, then follow it with a whole lot of content that is not sourced. Pretty cool idea if we can get away with it.
Now we have editors already wanting to expand this interesting "theory" or study into other areas and articles. This one could have been pieced together from a dissertation, and by "expanding" we can have more made up, unsourced, or wrongly sourced piece-meal articles. We can create another article revolving around "It would also be a good idea to research what religious authorities say about the topic.", as "research" surely can equal; make a new article. Want to see verified original research?: Look no farther than every single Results sub-sections. There are three of them with lots content with percentages and not one reference to back any of it up. Look at the third paragraph of the Significance section: "Both Piaget and Kolhberg neglected to observe the significance of how younger children fit into the equation of moral development. The experiments of Kang Lee and others have led to differing conclusions that have shed new light on how the moral and cognitive development of young children works.". I just looked up one of the four sources and what I see is a conclusion drawn by an editor, not the sources, and I would wager that will be the case for the other three. The sources have to conclusively back up content that is relevant to the subject (Child Lying), or it is just added "crap", and who are the "others"? How is "...differing conclusions that have shed new light on how the moral and cognitive development of young children works." related? To me the idea is interesting but someone please explain how we can actually "save this article". Cut it back to a lead only stub? Where should it go since the current title is certainly inappropriate? If notability is the main issue how will those be a solution? I can't even see an instance where we can ignore "the rules" and keep. Then again, a lot of things on Wikipedia don't make sense right? Otr500 (talk) 17:55, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 15:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Echoes of War[edit]

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I found nothing. At least it could theoretically be merged to the larger franchise. Coin945 (talk) 01:28, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim!  15:45, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eat Them![edit]

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A nothingburger of an article. Appears to fail WP:GNG. Coin945 (talk) 01:50, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Killiondude (talk) 07:01, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The B-Girlz[edit]

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Not notable, does not meet WP:NMUSIC, no coverage other than local or passing mentions. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:56, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Update: there's more that can be done here still with more time and effort, but for the time being I've got it to something quite a lot less advertorialized and citing 14 proper sources. Bearcat (talk) 17:28, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 15:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Spider's Sunny Patch Friends: Harvest Time Hop and Fly[edit]

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A nothingburger. Found no sources. Coin945 (talk) 12:12, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Im unfamiliar with it personally, but the WikiProjects list of sources (WP:VG/S lists GameDaily as a reliable source. Sergecross73 msg me 13:58, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just because the links are dead at the moment, doesn't mean they're discounted from notability discussions. We're just discussing if the coverage exists. Metacritic doesn't just make up reviews. They exist, even if you can find it this instant. (Especially the Detroit Free Press, which obviously has physical copies in existence, because, you know, that's how a newspaper works.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:55, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just want to echo the above comments. The fact that some of the sites are dead does not negate them as credible sources; one could also try to find the references through a website archive. Aoba47 (talk) 18:36, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Coments: I checked and it is not April 1st. Maybe it is a test? I was confused that I am debating policies and guidelines with two editors with a total edit count of over 46,000, and one is an admin. There are tags on the article for "no sources" and "notability" since July 2015 or almost 2 1/2 years. In my short time here I have NEVER read broad community consensus that we should keep an article indefinitly because there "might be sources out there somewhere in the universe", and if someone refbombs dead links we are suppose to either just keep digging, or let the article languish. I mean, crap, notability is not important right?
There is only one policy that can almost over-ride policy, which would be that we can ignore such silly things as policies and guidelines if it improves Wikipedia. Wait! What constitutes "improvements" can be subjective and there is that little thing we call consensus.
There are two "keep" editors ignoring policies and guidelines by what seems to me to be Wikipedia:wikilawyering. Two editors could not find reliable sources and stated thus, so they are branded as liars, and some dead links are pointed to, by these same "keep" editors, that the dead links are still considered reliable because there wasn't enough research done to uncover some correct links.
  • I have a splendid idea! How about one or both of the two editors, that wants to keep the unsourced stubby-stub, do the legwork instead of trying to pawn it off, and properly source the article. If not then two lowly editors, following the above mentioned policiies and guidelines, and a host of others, still find there is not "enough" to denote notability. "I WP:CHALLENGE all the unsourced content", (and it has been since 2015), and 2 1/2 years is far over any thought-up criteria for a continued article. This is really a content issue but **Y-E-S** a dead link can be discounted from proving notability. If a source can't be checked to verify that there is no original research, or that WP:NPOV is being followed, and that the article does not run afoul of what Wikipedia is not, it simply cannot be verified, and so the subject lacks notability for a stand-alone article.
The entire concept of WP:notability:"This page in a nutshell: Wikipedia articles cover notable topics—those that have gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and are not outside the scope of Wikipedia. We consider evidence from reliable and independent sources to gauge this attention. The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic should have its own article.", and "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. **WP:NRV :
  • Please, cool it with the hyperbole and walls of texts. My argument was that multiple third party sources covered the game, and that it meets the GNG. That's valid and none if your ranting above changes that. Sergecross73 msg me 13:51, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will have to echo Sergecross73's comment above. There are four reliable sources and the above argument for deleting the article is extremely weak and not based on policy. There is not reason to be rude during the discussion, as it in fact takes away from argument and your professionalism. Aoba47 (talk) 22:25, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The above is an incorrect argument as Metacritic is a reliable source that has been used in several featured articles. Also, Sergecross73's response is correct. Aoba47 (talk) 22:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am iffy on the reliability of Metacritic. Often the metascore is based on many unreliable reviews and only one or two reliable ones. Anyone and their mother can make their own review site and get added to Metacritic. I add Metascores to articles because it seems to be Wikipedia policy but it certainly is not indicative of whether the game passes GNG unless the amount of reviews is large.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Youre both right. MC is an RS, but not every website they aggregate reviews from is - there's a number of discrepancies between what MC uses and what WP:VG/S deems reliable. But no ones !vote was contingent on all of them being reliable - mine was more based around the fact that multiple very mainstream, not-niche/obscure websites covered it, like IGN and DFP. Sergecross73 msg me 00:56, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Discussion to rename the article can be continued on the article talk page. AustralianRupert (talk) 06:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lion Division[edit]

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This group isn't notable enough to claim the moniker Lion Division. Searches show it referring more to any kind of group or organization that involves lions. Compare to 106th Infantry Division (United States) which are known as the Golden Lions. Also 35th Signal Brigade (United States) which is known as Lion Brigade. Also Lions of the East Army in Syria. If this is to be kept, it should be renamed something like Division 3 (Sudan army). AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:38, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks Icewhiz. That looks more helpful. The rename is a more specific name, and Lion Division can be used instead for dab purposes. Some of the sources you listed are just name drops though, they don't really go into the specifics of Division 3 other than a passing mention: they exist, have a headquarters or mention of a division leader. participatAngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC) updated 18:05, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
These are not great sources (I would prefer a balance of forces document, or something covering South Sudan which probably does exist as this is a hot conflict) but they do show this passes WP:V (including UN sanctions on the commanding general noting the formation). Seeing they pass V, I cited MILUNIT which would create a presumption of notability for a division (and even for a brigade or in some cases independent battalions).Icewhiz (talk) 18:44, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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