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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

KVFA-LP[edit]

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Subject lacks the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 23:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete Dave Hettesheimer's monthly Arizona TV Station Update blog posts indicate that this station never operated. No, really.. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete: We now require actual significant coverage to establish the notability required for an article… and there are many actually-operated stations that fall short of that and are finally being removed from Wikipedia; there appears to be little-to-no evidence that KVFA-LP even got that far. Back in 2006, the in-practice "notability standard" in this topic area basically amounted to "it's licensed so it's notable!", but this nominally five-year station that may have never actually signed on demonstrates that was nothing more than the broadcast station equivalent to creating articles on places based solely on GNIS (and there have been many AfDs in that topic area lately as well). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete This TV station clearly lacks any notability whatsoever, especially since it never operated in the first place.TH1980 (talk) 02:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete Sammi Brie knows about this category of articles. Lightburst (talk) 04:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete: Per nom. So SIGCOV. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was snow keep‎. (non-admin closure) GSS ^💬 17:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nello Mascia[edit]

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The page has been tagged for six months as needing reliable sources, but nothing has been done. If we remove everything that is unsourced then there is nothing left. So either someone should improve it or it should be deleted. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Speedy Keep.@Ldm1954: Just because there is a tag and an issue has been unaddressed (for 6 months!!!!) does not mean that an article needs to be deleted. I'll improve the page but may I ask you to withdraw this, please? He is a fairly notable Italian actor as a quick look at any database can confirm...So either someone should improve it or it should be deleted.. I am sorry but no: either he deserves an article or the page should be deleted. Afd is about deletion not cleanup. Again,I will improve the page, but that's not the point. Anyone nominating a page for deletion should look for sources before doing so. Which is apparently not the case here. Thanks.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:18, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  If you improve it then I will reverse my nomination, but not until then. Please note that I did a WP:AfD so it could be improved, not a WP:PROD. Ldm1954 (talk) 23:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I said I would. I am currently doing it. I added some content and sources. But you SHOULD look for sources yourself before taking a page to Afd (or ProDding it, for that matter). Improvement of pages is not what Afds are for. Pages can be improved thanks to Afds but Afds are not meant for that. Anyway, see for yourself@Ldm1954: but this Afd should in my view be closed as Speedy Keep because you clearly have made no effort to even check if sources existed. At least from what I understand of your rationale and reply. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And please note that If we remove everything that is unsourced then there is nothing left. was not even true. There was one source and NINE links to notable films in which he played (not to mention an IMDb page, which, although not considered reliable for notability should have given you an idea that you would have to dig a little bit further than a tag on the page before initiating this). You could at least have checked that, in my opinion, even if you didn't want to bother searching the internet, not even for a minute. Please have a look at the page now so that we can avoid wasting more time on this. Thanks.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 01:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  @Geschichte, that was a completely inappropriate comment. The response by @Mushy Yank has been what was needed, improvement. However, the current version still contains a table with 15 films, only two of which have RS -- remember that Wikilinks are not considered reliable. If I was feeling nasty I would delete everything which has no sources, in which case... Ldm1954 (talk) 10:39, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Please.....Just CLICK on the films that have an article here!!!!! Is the page without any source at all????? Thank you. If you think further improvements are needed, feel free, but you opened an AfD......this is NOT the article talk page and, from what you are saying, I am sorry, but I fully agree with Geschichte. Hence my Speedy Keep !vote.....no Before has been made and Afds are not for cleanup.....the page is a stub and this is not a GA review.... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  You CANNOT use Wikipedia as a source, see Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Those links are considered irrelevant. Please look at Wikipedia:Proveit, the burden of proof is on the editor. I expect that you can validate that he was in those films, but until you do 95% of the article should be deleted. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Sigh......... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 14:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @User:Ldm1954 Are you at least watching the page so that you can withdraw as you had said? Sources for every feature film have been added. Only did this to save other users' time. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Yes, I saw the films (what about the role?). The TV needs the same attention. Ldm1954 (talk) 00:21, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  You must be joking. This is not a GA review! So, let me try to give an outline of what is apparently the Afd process according to you. You see a page on an actor, with a BLP sources tag, and although the actor is said to have a considerable filmography and the page has a source, nine wikilinks and a link to Imdb, you don't open those and, without checking at all if there are other sources to verify if the actor is notable or not, you take the page to Afd. When the fact that he is fairly notable is brought to your attention, you say If you improve it then I will reverse my nomination, but although the page is vastly improved, you don't. Instead you say I expect that you can validate that he was in those films, concerning his (selected) feature films, but even though this second bizarre request is immediately fulfilled, you still don't withdraw. No, instead you demand the names of the characters he plays when a simple click gives you most of them; and sources for all of his tv roles, when some are presented and external links allow you to verify most of the rest. In the meantime, you repeatedly state that most of the content of the page needs to be deleted if unsourced. It has not occurred to you that the actor looks quite notable enough by now? No? And that this is the only point of this discussion. I have no further comments. So much for saving other people's time. I stand more than ever by my Speedy Keep !vote, and will not edit the article any further. You can do it if you wish. Keep up the good work! -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Please reread the guidelines of material for a BLP:

  "Wikipedia's sourcing policy, Verifiability, says that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation; material not meeting this standard may be removed."

  This is not my rule, this is standard and applies everywhere. Ldm1954 (talk) 09:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  That is not the point of this Afd. Afds are for DELETION OF PAGES, not for cleanup. Remove everything you wish from the page. The point here is: is he notable? And why not withdraw as you had said? You can ask for improvements on the article TP, or improve the page yourself if that is what you wish. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:27, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment: WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 23:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Speedy keep, I added a Corriere della Sera article about him, and searching for "Nello Mascia" there are over 900 articles on La Repubblica archives. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP, and WP:BEFORE was clearly ignored. The cleanup/referencing work the nominator is asking for could have been done by himself, easily. Some of his comments here look ridicolously inappropriate if not disruptive (eg. 'If I was feeling nasty...'). Competence is required. Cavarrone 08:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Now Keep as the issues have largely been resolved, although he still has a loooong list of unsourced TV appearances. This compares to the original which had one RS (in Italian) that he was an actor/director in one play, and no other since Wikipedia is not a RS. Italian is not required.

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• Keep: Per above, deletion is not cleanup. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

White Light Tour[edit]

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I don't see any evidence of notability per WP:NTOUR, which requires at least a modicum of sourcing of the tour as a tour--a setlist and a few references about dates and audiences is not enough. Drmies (talk) 22:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete per nom. No evidence of WP:SIGCOV or meeting WP:GNG. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Kentucky Educational Television. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of former Kentucky Educational Television translators[edit]

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Could be converted to list and merged into main KET article. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:41, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Merge to Kentucky Educational Television. I can't see a purpose for a standalone article for such esoteric data. If possible, I think it would be best for the merge-to article to generally discuss the use of translators for a period of time, and cite/link to external data on such. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:36, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Merge is a sensible outcome. The title itself is ambiguous - do they mean translators for Spanish and Mandarin? Bearian (talk) 16:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn by mover. (non-admin closure)‎ TarnishedPath^talk 01:12, 14 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ian Narev[edit]

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nonnotable banker per WP:SINGLEEVENT, noted only by a bank scandal; also no notability by association (he was not personally involved in scandals; only wa involved as CEO) - Altenmann >talk 20:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Withdrawn. It looks like CEOs are presumed notable: there are thousands of such otherwise unimpressive bios. - Altenmann >talk 23:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Not only is this consensus almost unanimous, I don't think I've ever seen Cunard argue for Deletion before. When they can't find reliable sources, they probably don't exist. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jin Koh[edit]

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An online search does not reveal in-depth significant coverage of this person to meet our criteria for a notable businessperson, nor an artist/fashion designer. There are several people who share the same name, but all I'm finding on this Jin Koh is social media, primary sources and user-submitted content. Seems to also be a paid COI entry. Fails WP:NBUSINESSPERSON, WP:CREATIVE, WP:GNG. Bringing it here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 20:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Speedy delete couple of passing mentions, no indication of passing WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 20:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep - Satisfies the WP:BASIC guidelines by being supported by numerous reliable published sources, including secondary sources. Notable achievements include: founding several companies including Original Stitch. Please view the article's history as important information has been deleted by editors nominating it for deletion. For example an editor deleted the following fact: "In 2012 Koh founded Original Stitch, a fashion company based in San Francisco, that uses on-demand manufacturing to create men's shirts."^[1][2] With all the deletions the article is practically empty! In addition edit requests have been denied, for example, "In 2012, Koh served as the Vice-President of Mobile Solutions for Splashtop and oversaw its operations in Japan."^[3] What is going here? Added: I have a COI with this article. Greg Henderson (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Greghenderson2006 (talk • contribs) has a close connection with the subject of the article being discussed, originally UPE, which has since been disclosed.Reply[reply]

  Greg, why are you saying I deleted important information from the article? I did no such thing. The only edit I made on this was nominating it for deletion because it does not seem to meet WP criteria for inclusion; the community can decide the outcome. Netherzone (talk) 21:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Seriously Greghenderson2006, please get your facts straight before making accusations like that against another editor. Left guide (talk) 21:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete regardless of almost certain UPE status, none of the sourcing I've identified in the history or via a BEFORE makes it clear that Koh is a notable businessman. None of the material that was removed before deletion is relevant to notability as the fullest version was more unreliable, non independent sourcing about his companies to flesh out the article. Serving as VP sourced by a press release is not a viable edit request to establish notability. Greg Henderson, you know which sourcing works for notability, you do the articles and the subjects a disservice by pushing press releases connected with the company. See also WP:TECHCRUNCH. While a case could be made for speedy, I advocate for letting the discussion run to establish a firm consensus so this doesn't get re-litigated endlessly Star Mississippi 20:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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*Update Looks like a SPAM email was sent to Jin Koh. Below is the sender and what it says: Greg Henderson (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Please report them as described here: Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-01-31/Disinformation_report Star Mississippi 00:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete As requested by the undisclosed (at the time of creation) paid editor Greghenderson2006, I took a look at the version of the article on June 5, 2023 when the paid editor last edited it. What a steaming pile of crap! This shows that when people are paid to create promotional content, many of them will resort to using unreliable sources, non-independent sources, passing mentions, blogs and PR puffery to create a plausible confection that appears impressive but falls apart on closer examination. I also looked at the history of the article since last June, and saw that several highly experienced editors had to spend their valuable unpaid volunteer time trimming and cleaning up that shambolic mess. I happen to believe that there is a place on Wikipedia for the rare competent, ethical paid editors who scrupulously follow our policies and guidelines. They are as rare as hen's teeth. This article is not an example of competent paid editing. As for the spam/scam email, I think that the general principle is that scammers and con artists often try to prey on those who they perceive as other scammers and con artists, or their victims. Con artists love to con people who have already been conned, or other con artists. We should have zero tolerance for any of that unethical behavior. Cullen328 (talk) 03:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete I did not find significant coverage in reliable sources about Jin Koh. The article for Original Stitch, the company he founded, does not exist yet despite being notable. For evidence of notability for Original Stitch, see:
  1. "Don't Use This AI Tailor … Yet: After three shirts we ordered didn’t fit, Original Stitch took down its measurement software." from Bloomberg News
  2. "Why $100 Pokémon Shirts make sense: Two years in, Original Stitch’s Pokémon line is as strong as ever" from Polygon
  So I could not find an alternative to deletion to redirect this article to. Cunard (talk) 11:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete I did not find significant reliable sources about Jin Koh, and although a few exist in which he is mentioned they are about the companies and not him WP:GNG, such as those about Original Stich mentioned above. While WP:NBUSINESSPERSON is not policy, I would agree that the article could be merged into one about Original Stich, that page does not exist and so I can't see an alternative to deletion as Jin Koh's notability appears to be tied to companies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaws username (talk • contribs) 23:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete Fails WP:ANYBIO and doesn't pass GNG either. Graywalls (talk) 09:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rhett Walton[edit]

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This has some coverage but doesn't appear to meet WP:NACTOR/WP:GNG or have an obvious WP:ATD. Notability is not inherited. Boleyn (talk) 19:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep as a stage actor. He played Macbeth in Macbeth in Newcastle [1]. This production got two reveiws and two articles (more on one later) and while most are in the local paper, the last is in the national newspaper The Australian. He played Bassanio for Bell Shakespeare's 1999 run of The Merchant of Venice [2]. Rose, Colin (2 May 1999), "Pretty (awful) in pink", The Sun Herald - Hallett, Bryce (3 May 1999), "Lesson for today from the Bard", The Sydney Morning Herald - Carroll, Steven (20 June 1999), "The Merchant Of Venice", The Sydney Morning Herald - Phipps, Ian (2 May 1999), "Merchant gets pound of flesh", The Daily Telegraph - [3] [4] and so on. Played Paul in a run of Brilliant Lies from the plays debut [5] more at [6]. It appears to be a second tier character so significant role question is not so certain but he does get mentioned in reviews. This run got a lot of coverage, 6 reviews listed for the debut and another 7 for Playhouse (Vic) [7] +1. It has more from other stops on it's tour. Was one of four actors in Murder by Misadventure at Marian Street Theatre [8] and it has 5 reviews listed. One of the articles mentioned above for Macbeth is Ken Longworth, Shakespeare veteran at 33, Newcastle Herald, 25 February 1993 which appears to have Walton as the primary focus. When he played alongside his wife for the first time in many years in Worst Kept Secrets the was an article Connellan, Matthew (12 November 2014), "Coupledom comes in many flavours", Northern District Times that told us about that. He played a lead and the play had multiple articles/reviews - Hook, Chris (13 November 2014), "Man maketh his mark in mysterious ways", Daily Telegraph - Keene, Neil (15 November 2014), "Just playing with politics", Daily Telegraph - - Gorman, James (19 November 2014), "Powerful Secrets", Central . Some additional notes, was in The Philadelphia Story at the Sydney Opera House [9] but I've only found two reviews (not too bad for 1986) "Two good performances, no doubt, help. There is the assured acting of Rhett Walton (only one year out of NIDA) as C.K. Dexter Haven - the Cary Grant role. He has the required eaze, naturalness and spontaneity on which the Barry charm depends."Kippax, H.G. (11 October 1986), "Philadelphia fails to live up to its legend", The Sydney Morning Herald + [10]. Appears to play either Tybalt or Mercutio in Romeo and Juliet [11] which has 10 reviews listed. "Credit as well to Michael Hurst who has choreographed the most exciting duel I've ever seen on stage and to Richard Roxburgh and Rhett Walton who bring it off."Evans, Bob (2 June 1989), "Full-blooded bard", The Sydney Morning Herald. [12] [13] duffbeerforme (talk) 13:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep as per the notable stage performances reviewed in reliable sources identified above that shows a pass of WP:NACTOR so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep. The sources presented by Duffbeerforme show he is notable as actor. (NB-I must have missed something because I cannot see why "Notability is not inherited" is mentioned in the nominator's rationale. Is it because his wife has a page? Then, one obvious ATD would have been redirect there with a source, I suppose).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tertiary enrollment[edit]

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This has some coverage but doesn't appear to meet WP:N or have an obvious WP:ATD. It doesn't appear to be a specific term written about. Boleyn (talk) 19:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete Looks both outdated and copyvio from the first source. The Banner talk 18:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Delete per nom. Okoslavia (talk) 12:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete - See no relevance to this article as of 2024.BabbaQ (talk) 14:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted‎ by Spicy per criterion G5. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

B Major SA[edit]

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I actually just want an admin to IAR delete this. This is yet another recreation attempting to bypass the salting of B Major (musician), B Major (Music Producer), and B Major (South African musician). Page creator admits to being a sockpuppet Mach61 (talk) 19:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Subby Valentine[edit]

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This has some coverage but doesn't appear to meet WP:BIO/WP:GNG or have an obvious WP:ATD. Successful career but not quite notable; 14 years in CAT:NN doesn't appear to be just neglect. Boleyn (talk) 19:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Not seeing WP:SIGCOV. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 22:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transgender Law and Policy Institute[edit]

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This has some coverage but doesn't appear to meet WP:ORG/WP:GNG or have an obvious WP:ATD. It exists but isn't notable. Boleyn (talk) 18:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: I could not find significant coverage of this organization. voorts (talk/contributions) 03:58, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete The only mentions of it in reliable sources were passing mentions, such as in [The Telegraph] and [CNN] either as a source or a resource. Not for significant coverage. Shaws username (talk) 23:36, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete: No SIGCOV. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Comment - Can someone check out Google scholar? I'm sure that Boleyn, with whom I usually agree and know is an experienced editor did some searches, but can we get another opinion before deleting? I'm just concerned about the optics. Bearian (talk) 16:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Paul Luna[edit]

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No consensus at last AfD, low participation. It is hard to read through the fact that this is written by a nearly-WP:SPA in a promotional way, but it doesn't appear that there are the sources available online to establish he meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG. It has been in CAT:NN for 14 years, so I really hope we can now find a consensus, either way. Boleyn (talk) 18:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Question: There are a number of references in the article, and in the last AfD, Jfire offered several more: [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]. Boleyn, why do you feel that these sources don't add up to notability? Toughpigs (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete: I don't find any mentions of this person from Atlanta, multiple Gsearch hits on a person in the LA area that lost their son. Delete for not meeting notability requirements. The one source used calling him "controversial" is not the best, but it's about all we have. Oaktree b (talk) 21:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oaktree b, that comment and vote makes no sense, as there are dozens of articles on Luna from Atlanta, and there were six already in the wiki article even when it got AFDed. Persingo (talk) 01:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep -- same as I voted in the prior AfD. There's enough sustained coverage in Atlanta-area papers to satisfy WP:GNG. See the newspaper coverage above. Jfire (talk) 21:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep. Targeted keyword searches yield abundant significant coverage in reliable sources. Just searching with the added keyword "Atlanta", I find dozens of good results, for example: [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37]. Persingo (talk) 09:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep per the sources identified here and in the last AfD. Toughpigs (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• I would go along with a keep per WP:HEY, if and only if the citations and sources found were added to the article, with some content for context. Bearian (talk) 16:49, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:27, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Azizul Hakim (poet)[edit]

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Non notable person, fails WP:GNG and WP:NPEOPLE, BEFORE searches bring up one blog and a bunch of stuff about an actor with similar name. No significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. v/r - Seawolf35 ^T--C 17:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete fails WP:GNG and notability cannot be inherited from notable relatives. Theroadislong (talk) 18:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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• Keep According to Bengali Wikipedia, he is a notable poet in Bengali literature. But, If he not eligible for English Wikipedia, you can delete it (also added that; The Article was translated from Bengali Wikipedia). I always respect to the rules of Wikipedia. BANEN24 (talk) 02:36, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @BANEN24, It seems you translated many article from Bengali Wikipedia without giving proper attribution. Please provide proper attribution including a link to Bengali Wikipedia's article in edit summary. See WP:TFOLWP. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 16:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete Fails. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO plus there's no such thing as inherent notability on WP.Signal Crayfish (talk) 06:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep It was translated from the Bengali Wikipedia article at bn:আজিজুল হাকিম (কবি); see its history for attribution.

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• Speedy delete: No verifiable source and input. Fails WP: POET, WP:GNG. The article lacks context and basically doesn't show why the subject is important. Otuọcha (talk) 09:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Keep He is notable for few Historical letters, which was written by Kazi Nazrul Islam (The National poet of Bangladesh. For this reason, he is notable in Bengali community around the world.

  But, There not too much source about him on Internet. Although, he is notable in Bengali Literature. So, I think it is eligible for Wikipedia (Already have on Bengali Wikipedia, (bn:আজিজুল হাকিম (কবি)). BANEN24 (talk) 12:00, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Virtual Radar Client[edit]

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I couldn't find enough to show it meets WP:N. Boleyn (talk) 17:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: fails NSOFT. Owen× ☎ 00:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Alpha Group International[edit]

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Routine investors news, no single good reliable source; Reuters is not about this company; fails WP NCORP BoraVoro (talk) 16:13, 2 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Trinity Foundation (Unicoi)[edit]

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It exists and there is some coverage, but not enough yo meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 14:11, 2 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Lists of endangered languages. Owen× ☎ 23:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of endangered languages[edit]

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Duplicated article. See Lists of endangered languages. It was a redirect since 2009 until the author's recent edits. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 16:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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"List of endangered languages" was a redirect to "Lists of endangered languages", which is a seperate page. If someone types in "List of endangered languages", they don't want to tab through some 50 articles on every region's endangered languages, and there should be one single comprehensive list of every endangered language. Rotprince (talk) 16:47, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is a poor quality article in many ways, unlike the existing Lists of endangered languages. For one all the language links go to Simple English Wikipedia, rather than the Wikipedia we are on. Second, it seems that the assessments of current status next to each language seem to be unsourced and completely subjective assessments fabricated by the author (you, as it were). There is no apparent rhyme or reason to these assessments; for example the author (again, you) claim your own language, the Frisian languages are only in "steady decline" while Catalan is in "very fast decline" (an absurd claim to anyone who knows anything at all about these two languages). It also makes outlandish, unsupported claims, e.g. it lists Sanskrit as an endangered language (in fact, it is extinct), and also makes the debunked claim that Sanskrit is the mother of all Indo-European languages. All in all, it would be an extremely poor article even if there weren't already another article that accomplishes the same function, but better; but given there is, the article should absolutely be deleted post-haste. Brusquedandelion (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

i think i need to remind you that articles of poor quality can be repaired instead of nominated for deletion. Fix it instead of whining about it. Rotprince (talk) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There is no need to fix a broken article that is duplicating a good article. Your point would only stand if the subject of the article were not already covered well elsewhere. Brusquedandelion (talk) 00:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete or Redirect. A perfectly good article already exists on this topic. Brusquedandelion (talk) 09:46, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Redirect, as per above. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:49, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Redirect as above. The editor working on this appears to be in good faith in attempting a single list of all endagnered languages on one page rather than taking the list of lists approach of the redirect. Unfortunately this has two problems. Firstly it forks the list, and that divides editor effort and allows inconsistencies to arise. As such it is a redundant content fork (WP:REDUNDANTFORK). The other problem is that a single list of all endangered languages would need some 2,500 entries, and that is too long for a single list. Thus the current approach is better and redirect is in order. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  On second thought, i agree with this user. Can i delete the article manually given i "authored" it? Rotprince (talk) 16:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  The person you are replying to is suggesting a redirect, not a delete per se. You can implement this redirect yourself just by changing the content of the page to a redirect- as the nominator Super Dromaeosaurus did previously, but which you reverted, as you might recall.

  For future reference, you can refer to these instructions on how to delete pages that you created, but note that such requests are unlikely to be granted if other people have also edited the article. Brusquedandelion (talk) 00:14, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep Not sure if my vote is within the policy but I do find this article to be encyclopaedic enough for keeping. Agletarang (talk) 11:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  That was never in doubt. The issue is that it is a redundant fork. see WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• I don't see what's wrong with a redirect. Bearian (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Donovan Slacks[edit]

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At best, a bit of overly enthusiast in-universe writing or an attempt to promote the film.[38] Created in 2004‎, tagged with needing additional citations since 2010, and only sourced to the sites connected to the film and geocities-ish sites. But this is just a non-notable character from a small, independent film. I searched Google, ebsco, proquest, newspapers.com, proquest, and archive.org. From the Vimeo listing (my emph) Iranian-English director Kivmars Bowling has found a new way to bring period drama to a modern audience and bring this original story to life. [39] Nothing in the archived director statement or any other marketing materials claims the movie is based on a real person (press kit: [40]). The movie was in production when the article was created (see [41] from the film's blog: The script was written in 2002/3 and we shot the film in England in 2004.). Our article links to [42] which has documents that purport to be official government documents but are likely made for the film). (I think the movie is of questionable notability (zero published reviews) but the claim that it was the last movie be filmed with "Kodachrome 40 Super 8 film" [43] is interesting but I can't find any independent, reliable sources repeating the claim. I think creating a fresh article on the film if sources are found would be the path forward.) Skynxnex (talk) 14:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: It's an article, written in an in-universe fashion, about a non-notable fictional character made to promote a movie. No reason to keep this. You could probably request speedy deletion under G11 or maybe even even G3. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  @StreetcarEnjoyer I considered that but perhaps doubted my ability to be sure I was correct. I also don't think it's "unambiguous" for G11 and G3 is probably a bit edge too. I don't have any objections to an admin deleting it that way since I doubt we'll need a deletion discussion to keep it deleted. Skynxnex (talk) 21:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: I don't find anything about a film or whatever this stub is supposed to be about. Plenty of hits on Donovans, nothing for this thing. Oaktree b (talk) 21:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete this article about a fictional character in a movie I can find no RS independent coverage for. ResonantDis_tortion 11:54, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete Wasn't obvious reading through at first, so worth noting the film and character have the same name. The character is non-notable and the film wouldn't pass WP:NFILM. hinnk (talk) 21:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Freshmen Up at Yale Get No Tail[edit]

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Not finding any meaningful coverage in reliable secondary sources. Does not satisfy WP:GNG or WP:NSONG. Cielquiparle (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete per nom. Sergecross73 msg me 17:04, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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• Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I could not find significant coverage about the song "The Freshmen Up at Yale Get No Tail" in my searches for sources. I found lyrics for the song in the 1982 book Poems: Lewd and Lusty and sheet music for the song in the 1971 book Immortalia: Ribald Songs but they do not provide significant coverage. The article cites this source, which may not be reliable. The subject does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 10:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete: There are no references and after searching for sources it Clearly fails to meet WP:GNG. 1keyhole (talk) 06:16, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete - in agreement with the nominator and previous voters due to lack of reliable sources. (Note: The song survived a previous AfD but that was for purely procedural reasons that had nothing to do with notability, which has been lacking all along.) ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:19, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete: Uncited with no evidence of notability and SIGCOV. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 07:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Massage for Relaxation[edit]

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Doubtful notability. Most of the sources look to be just mentions and run-of-the-mill. Article itself is basically WP:PROMO. PepperBeast (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Merge/Redirect to Massage, this really doesn't add anything more than the promotion of a ho-hum instructional video, one among many. It may merit a one-sentence mention over there, but since it doesn't even seem to have been the very first one, probably not even that much actually. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep. Received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. (i.e. reviews). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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"Massage for Relaxation" was the first instructional internationally-distributed video on the market. I can safely say this as co-owner of New & Unique Videos, a production and distribution company established in 1985. Our company attended many VSDA and NATPE conventions at that time to make distribution deals and there were no other professionally produced massage videos in existence until Sherri Belafonte came out with hers in 1987, two years AFTER "Massage for Relaxation."

If Chiswick Chap using wishy washy language ("may merit" "doesn't seem" "probably") believes there were any other professionally-produced and distributed instructional massage videos prior to this one, please post evidence. BTW, most instructional videos made in the year 1985 are now considered "ho-hum" because they are nearly 40 years old and cannot possibly compare to today's standards in video. There is an industry now that exists merely to poke fun at VHS tapes from the 1980s.

"Massage for Relaxation" was the first video to introduce the idea of self massage and show self-massage techniques, which makes it notable. It was a three-camera shoot in a San Diego studio, also notable at the time. It was produced by a woman (me) which is also notable for its time. Try not to compare what happened in the 1980s using today's standards, or you will erase history the way a bunch of men burned down the Alexandria Library to eradicate the work of Hypatia. The result: Historians now have to cobble together any pertinent history about her via letters she wrote to a student. Her more important works were burned down and went up in smoke with the library.

You may notice that just about every Youtube video about massage these days is called "Massage for Relaxation." However, New & Unique Videos holds the copyright for that title.

To conclude, Wikipedian Michael Q. Schmidt, is the person who wrote the "Massage for Relaxation" article. In his opinion, and mine, too, it is better to improve an article than to summarily delete it. Patty Mooney (talk) 21:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jaime Ayala (entrepreneur)[edit]

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Not meeting GNG, ANYBIO. Only found one reliable source: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-22854440, the rest are press-releases-like stuff. BoraVoro (talk) 10:10, 2 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Chris McGrail[edit]

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I couldn't find any SIGCOV of him so he fails GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 12:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: Primary coverage on the Blackburn Rovers web site, that's about it. Some match reports, nothing for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete Although he played league football, it's way below the current threshold we are using today. So delete failing WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 22:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 13:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete per nom. Idiosincrático (talk) 17:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Owen× ☎ 23:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Types of nationalism[edit]

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I wonder if there’s any appetite for this proposed deletion. To my mind, the article is a complete mess. Not only is it almost entirely a synthesis of material, but I’m not convinced it warrants an article even if that problem were resolved.

All such an article would do is summarise the "types of nationalism" contained within the Template:Nationalism_sidebar, but given those types already all have their own articles, does that information actually need to be repeated here in an article of its own? Yr Enw (talk) 08:09, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Comment - this kind of thing is difficult, IMO. It is clearly true that scholars have defined the topic in different ways and have focussed on different aspects. But I don't really think it is the role of Wikipedia to tie these things together, and it is hard to see how to do that without WP:BIAS and WP:SYNTH. On the other hand, we do have "overview" articles on various topics and I can see that this could be useful for at-a-glance basic information and navigation. It's also possible that printed overviews of the topic exist, so perhaps we are not here creating something new. I'm not sure how to resolve these tensions. JMWt (talk) 08:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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• Keep. Typologies and taxonomies of nationalism have definitely received scholarly study. For example:

• Wirth, Louis (May 1936). "Types of Nationalism". American Journal of Sociology. 41 (6): 723–737. doi:10.1086/217296. ISSN 0002-9602.
• Maxwell, Alexander (November 2010). "Typologies and phases in nationalism studies: Hroch's A-B-C schema as a basis for comparative terminology". Nationalities Papers. 38 (6): 865–880. doi:10.1080/00905992.2010.515970. ISSN 0090-5992.
• Hall, John A. (1993). "Nationalisms: Classified and Explained". Daedalus. 122 (3): 1–28. ISSN 0011-5266.
• Symmons-Symonolewicz, Konstantin (January 1965). "Nationalist Movements: An Attempt at a Comparative Typology". Comparative Studies in Society and History. 7 (2): 221–230. doi:10.1017/S0010417500003625. ISSN 1475-2999.

As such, the article meets our inclusion guidelines. Editorial concerns like WP:SYNTH can be dealt with via normal editing. The problems are not so bad that wholesale deletion is warranted. Jfire (talk) 05:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The taxonomy of nationalisms is not really what that article deals with though. At present, it’s entirely repeated information or synthesised material. Yr Enw (talk) 06:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What, in your mind, is the distinction between a taxonomy of nationalism, and the existing article, which, for example, has divisions of "ethnic nationalism", "civic nationalism", and "ideological nationalism", subdividing the first into "expansionist nationalism" and "romantic nationalism", and the last into "revolutionary nationalism", "liberation nationalism", and "left-wing" or "socialist nationalism". You don't consider that a taxonomy? Jfire (talk) 06:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Right, of course that's a taxonomy, but you said "Typologies and taxonomies of nationalism have definitely received scholarly study" and the article doesn't deal with that. In other words, the article presents a taxonomy, but it isn't about how typologies and taxonomies of nationalism have been dealt with in the literature. But that isn't the only issue with the article. Even if we dismiss that semantic distinction, the divisions in the article all have their own articles anyway, which renders this specific article redundant per WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Yr Enw (talk) 07:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep. While it needs expansion and explanation, I don't see how this fails WP:GNG. Bearian (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  It's more a WP:REDUNDANTFORK than failing notability. Yr Enw (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep per others. This isn't Wikipedia's finest article. At the same tie, sidebars are slimy things, and there's evidently scope for different types of nationalism to be afforded more discussion than a mere listing, as the sidebar offers. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 23:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) GSS ^💬 04:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tantamount Theater[edit]

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The basis of this article's notability isn't for the bulding, and there's insufficient sources available to satisfy WP:NCORP,which is the relevant guidelines since it is about the theatre as an organization rather than the structure in which it was located in. Graywalls (talk) 07:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep The article could be improved, but it's not without merit or interest in the context of California history. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep: I added six newspaper references from the Santa Barbara News-Press, San Francisco Examiner, The Californian and the Santa Cruz Sentinel, all from 1957-1961, about the opening of the theater and early productions. Examples: The Californian, San Francisco Examiner. Toughpigs (talk) 13:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment Hello @Toughpigs:, so I reviewed all six sources and am not convinced they're a lot of shallow routine coverages like opening announcements occurring shortly, not unlike those that happen for the first Home Depot opening in town. Others are about plays. I am not finding significant, fully independent coverage WP:ORGING in multiple sources with at least one being widely circulated WP:AUD. These plays are taking place, the venue is opening, and such do not count as significant coverage. Significant coverage in newsletters and hyperlocal like Carmel Pine Cone don't satisfy WP:AUD. Lots of tiny coverages like opening announcements and advertisement of plays occurring at the venue is not an indication of notability itself. @Cl3phact0:, in which sources is it covered in depths showing it is of interest in the context of California history? Graywalls (talk) 15:58, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The San Francisco Examiner piece is neither local or routine. San Francisco is more than 100 miles away from Carmel Valley, and the article specifically says that the theater is special:

"Having heard reports of an extraordinary new playhouse in Carmel Valley where puppet productions were staged this summer, I decided to find it last Sunday afternoon. The Tantamount Theater is located on an enchanting hilltop where it stands against the horizon with striking elegance... There are 144 seats, a remarkable lighting system and a splendid curtain, painted by Martin, depicting a group of Moliere's 17th century actors. The puppeteers (with three assistants) have just finished an engagement of Midsummer Night's Dream which was preceded by Uncle Tom's Cabin and Le Bourgeous Gentilhomme."

This is an independent major city newspaper, giving detailed and specific coverage of the theater's architecture and productions. It is not a "first Home Depot opening" type report or the routine announcement of a new play. Toughpigs (talk) 16:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's more of a commentary by a journalist and it's far from even being in-depth coverage, as required to meet ORGDEPTH. Graywalls (talk) Graywalls (talk) 16:20, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep: Sourcing seems fine, interesting local history "thing". Could use a bit more info, but the guy travelling 100 miles to see the place and writing about it shows it was important at the time. Oaktree b (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  It was the largest "marionette theater in America" at the time [44] Oaktree b (talk) 16:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep - The theater is connected with poet and artist Jeanne D'Orge who helped in the theater's creation and productions. Secondary sources by Adam Miller and others prove WP:SIGCOV and WP:NBUILDING. The building is notable as a result of its historic, social, and architectural importance. Please view the article's history as important information has been deleted by editors nominating it for deletion. Greg Henderson (talk) 16:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep Comparing Stanley Eichelbaum's beautiful and informative writing about this theater with a routine announcement of a Home Depot opening is, well several words come to mind. I will go with ludicrous. Eichelbaum was a widely respected film and theater critic San Francisco for decades, and his critical assessments are quoted at least 20 times on Wikipedia. Carmel Valley is 130 miles from San Francisco so this is not local coverage and it is significant coverage. Added to all of the other coverage, I believe that notability is established. Cullen328 (talk) 23:52, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Interesting. Perhaps we should have an article about Stanley Eichelbaum (wikidata:Q124476277) too? Cl3phact0 (talk) 14:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Keep, after gutting vast swathes of material cited only to self-published sources and tagging for notability, I was initially convinced the article was headed for deletion. But I have since been proven wrong, thanks to the sources added to the article and this discussion, which show direct detailed independent reliable coverage. Left guide (talk) 01:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. (non-admin closure) TarnishedPath^talk 15:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dai Paterson[edit]

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I couldn't establish that this meets WP:MUSICBIO, WP:ENT or WP:GNG. It has been in CAT:NN for 14 years; hopefully we can now resolve this. Boleyn (talk) 18:49, 17 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep. Satisfies NACTOR with main roles in Dreams for Life and Happy New [45], the latter of which had reviews in Agenda, A3 and The Herald Sun in addition to the linked Age article already in the refs. And a significant role in Dog's Head Bay (as David Paterson). Also a significant role in God, the Devil and the True History of Mankind with short reviews in The Age and Herald Sun but that might not reach the bar of notability without more coverage being available. He was also a big bad in the second series of Beastmaster but online coverage of that series is severely lacking. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Keep per duffbeerforme above Llajwa (talk) 18:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BEFORE searching for the subject name showed nothing from IRS with SIGCOV, a review and search for Dreams for Life which seems to be their most significant role, turns up no SIGCOV for the individual. BLPs require strong sourcing, and notability is not inherited.

The only source duffbeerforme provides [46] is a database record of an event, their rationale fails per NOTINHERITED. Llajwa is just a me too vote. If WP:THREE sources are added to the article that meet WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth, ping me.  // Timothy :: talk  02:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Most of Tim's boilerplate vote is about the contents of BLP, not their existence. NACTOR is part of NBIO so a pass of the former is not a fail of the latter. Tim dismisses the above link I provided as merely a database record but fails to look at what is contained in the record

Review: Bill Perrett, Agenda, 13 June 2004, 23

Review: Helen Thomson, A3, 8 June 2004, 8

Review: Kate Herbert, The Herald Sun, 16 June 2004, 62

When combined with the also mentioned Age article it shows that this production is notable and as Mr. Paterson has a significant role in the production it counts toward NACTOR section about significant roles in notable production. This is not a NOTINHERITED failure but a direct application of the relevant SNG.

A look at the article for Dreams for Life (which if all else had been found wanting would be a good alternative to deletion target so no deletion would be required) shows that it too is notable and that Mr. Paterson has a significant role (as acknowledged above by Tim above). So there is another role that directly addresses that same NACTOR criteria. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:09, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Reply: Notability is not inherited. Source eval:

Comments	Source
Database record, no info except photo	1. "David Paterson". United Agents.
Official video on Youtube, fails WP:IS, no WP:SIGCOV about the subject	2. ^ "Silverchair - Emotion Sickness (Official Video)". YouTube. 28 September 2012. Archived from the original on 19 December 2021.
Official video on Youtube, fails WP:IS, no WP:SIGCOV about the subject	3. ^ The chicken or the egg?
	From above
Database record for event, no info about subject, has links to other subjects, notability is not inherited	https://www.ausstage.edu.au/pages/event/65671

BLPs require strong sourcing, not just editor opinions.  // Timothy :: talk  03:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• • Oops, sorry, forgot that it has been confirmed at Deletion Review that editors can ignore the existence of any relevant source that exists but is not currently refbombed into the page. That and they can ignore any relevant notability policy if it doesn't suit their arguments. Oh, and your source review sucks, maybe check it again. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 23:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Harpa Dei Choir[edit]

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Barely any noteworthy coverage out there. None of the sources here are independent. Aintabli (talk) 06:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Strong delete zero ProQuest results. Mach61 (talk) 06:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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On the other hand, I would suggest that as Harpa Dei are essentially a front group and cash cow for the Agnus Dei Community sect, and its leader, convicted s*x abuser Herbert Grundberger; and that as they have hundreds of thousands of social media followers and seem constantly to be on tour worldwide; they are notable because of these things! Their music is actually very good, and they have recorded many CDs. As they rarely mention the Agnus Dei Community by name (or the reasons why the sect was kicked out of Ecuador), it is unlikely that most fans or journalists have more than a vague idea about their background.

It is true that there is not much news or other non-social media coverage of Harpa Dei, except for articles saying that they will soon perform somewhere, or that their concert was nice. Even so, I believe that Harpa Dei are notable! But I admit, I am not an expert on Wikipedia standards of notability.

Thanks for considering my comments. Meadowlark12345 (talk) 13:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete per Mach61. No independent sources, no clear claim to notability. IgnatiusofLondon (talk) 23:08, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

John Harrold[edit]

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Completely unnotable mayor holding unnotable offices in a small city. No sources found to indicate that the subject meets WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Previously nomination in the 48-article bundle at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fidel Vargas, closed as procedural keep due to the bundle's size. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk)

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• Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete. Not notable and fails WP:NPOL. popodameron ⁠talk 05:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Delete the secondary sources are WP:ROTM for any local politician and not enough to establish WP:NOTABILITY or significant coverage per WP:POLITICIAN. While there may be physical papers that mention him that I don't have access to, the only sources I could find are the two already in the article. Shaws username . talk . 22:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lara Larramendi Blakely[edit]

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Unnotable politician holding unnotable offices in a small city. No sources found to indicate that the subject meets WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Previously nomination in the 48-article bundle at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fidel Vargas, closed as procedural keep due to the bundle's size. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 06:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete per nomination. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 21:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete I couldn't find any sources to establish WP:NOTABILITY or significant coverage per WP:POLITICIAN. Shaws username . talk . 22:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Capture of Harput (1465)[edit]

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No source includes a very detailed account of the skirmish or attributes any significance to it and its aftermath. A separate article is unnecessary. On a different note, none of the sources here include exact page numbers. Several other articles created by the same editor were deleted based on the lack of WP:V. Aintabli (talk) 06:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:46, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rachel Montes[edit]

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Non-notable mayor of a small town in California. A Wikipedia article for a different El Monte mayor, Ernest Gutierrez, was recently deleted as he was found to be non-notable. Also nominating another mayor of the same town who is equally non-notable:

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Delete both per nom. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 06:15, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete The secondary sources are all fairly WP:ROTM for any local politician and not enough to establish WP:NOTABILITY or significant coverage per WP:POLITICIAN. While there may be physical papers that mention him that I don't have access to, the only sources I could find are the two already in the article. Shaws username . talk . 22:53, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rafe Sadnan Adel[edit]

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The sources are small author profiles on websites he wrote for and a press release for getting a non-notable award. There is no claim to notability or significance in the article. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 06:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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• Delete Per Nom, Not Notable at all. Untamed1910 (talk) 03:56, 10 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
• Keep' as there is independent coverage from The Business Standard and the Daily Star - both of which are reputed sources in Bangladesh. Arman ^(Talk) 05:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  I hate to tell you this but Daily Star is an deprecated source and an unreliable source, there is no reliable sources. Untamed1910 (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Is there any specific reason for your categorization of Daily Star, or this is just your POV? Furthermore, the subject has coverage in Prothom Alo and Business Standard as well. Are these deprecated and unreliable sources as well? Arman ^(Talk) 11:04, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  Daily Star (United Kingdom) is a deprecated source not The Daily Star (Bangladesh). Either way, the sources are based on a press release on his appointment to the World Ovarian Cancer Coalition, an entirely non-notable organization. While the sources are reliable, they are not in-depth.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Delete Searching in English and Bengali finds no significant coverage in independent reliable sources. The only hits are things written by him or a company with which he's connected, press releases, and passing mentions. The Prothom Alo, The Daily Star and The Business Standard[47] pieces are plainly copied from one original, and their structure and tone scream "press release". The creator seems to have an undisclosed close connection to Somoy TV. They claim the photo, taken three years ago in Adel's office there, is their "own work". They've also been blocked as a sockpuppet for pushing the creation of another bio of a Somoy TV news presenter. --Worldbruce (talk) 05:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. No consensus established after multiple relistings. (non-admin closure) The Herald (Benison) (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeomanry Cavalry (disambiguation)[edit]

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