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The result was keep. Even the nominator notes that notability has been established, so WP:AFD's job is done. Kurykh (talk) 03:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Playerunknown's Battlegrounds[edit]

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I don't see many reliable sources reporting on this game (an article needs more than just one of these and a press release), and a quick google search brings up just the official website (only reliable if it's notable to begin with), a couple of fan pages (Facebook, Reddit), the storepage on Steam, a Twitch profile, and some articles on giving away beta keys. And while this isn't a real argument for deleting the page, all the article currently says is the most basic description of the game, everything else was removed by me due to it being WP:GAMECRUFT and ′not following MOS:VG. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources example - all major sources: [1] (2015 article in Fortune magazine) [2] (2015 article about PU's BR mod and ARMA) [3] (German article) [4] (English article 2016) [5] (2016 interview) [6] (2016 article with publisher background). [7] (Recent article on PAX East participation) You find a lot more about the developer if you search for ARMA Battle Royale, Playerunknown Battle Royale or H1Z1: King of the Kill Brendan Greene -
Notice the AfD creator created mentioned H1Z1 article, which is barely much longer than a Stub entry, and the article does not mention PU or BR at all, and since he reasons per WP:GAMECRUFT, see also WP:Competence (sorry to be blunt, but i feel it is required, judging from the delete fest from the editors contributions) prokaryotes (talk) 03:56, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Edit conflict, AfD creator added "not following MOS:VG", i don't think that is a reason for deletion, since that addresses a specific article section the AfD nominator removed. prokaryotes (talk) 04:01, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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"I don't see many reliable sources reporting on this game"

Every weekend during the Closed Beta Test, it gets on the top 10 on Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/directory

On top of that, go on YouTube and search for the game: https://www.youtube.com/results?sp=CAMSAggD&q=battlegrounds

And also it's on Steam, if you want to further see the game: http://store.steampowered.com/app/578080

That your source(s) right there. Azgoodaz (talk) 17:25, 5 March 2017 (UTC)azgoodaz[reply]

Tip: You need third party sources, from actual journalists/writers. Please see WP:VG/S for examples of valid sources. Sergecross73 msg me 21:37, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sergecross73, in my above comment are several RS, VG/S seems outdated, it does not include Twitch interviews, the one i used (see article talk page Features section), seemed reliable - interview, for additional information. Someone should add some of above links for background infos. I am personally too busy elsewhere. Good luck. prokaryotes (talk) 22:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Incorrect. I, and many other experienced editors, actively maintain it. Feel free to propose ideas, but it is indeed "up to date". Sergecross73 msg me|
It might be a bit insensitive, but if he doesn't have enough time to add proper sources in the first place, then he probably shouldn't be arguing in favor of keeping the article (as the creator). Anyway, it does seem like the game has established notability now, but should the WP:BURDEN for adding sources go on me for nominating it or the article creator for maintaining it? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No one !voted for deletion, so you can just withdraw the nomination and be done here, and the burden can be on whoever wants to have the article be improved at that point. Sergecross73 msg me 15:43, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 02:31, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of locations in Charmed[edit]

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Fails WP:FICT, WP:NOTE and WP:RS. Limited evidence of independent notability. Aoba47 (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 02:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

AcquasMagicalAdventures[edit]

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Promo article for self-published children's book, fails WP:NBOOK. PROD contested by article creator without comment. Creator's username indicates they are likely the author of this book. RA0808 talkcontribs 21:42, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A Summer Evening with Floating di Morel[edit]

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Non notable film. Fails WP:GNG. Koala15 (talk) 21:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 02:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Santanen algorithm[edit]

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This appears to be a hoax. The article has seven footnotes but only one of them supports the main content of the article; the rest are background. The one source for the content (Santanen 2002) does not appear to actually exist: the DOI is broken, Google Scholar does not know about it, and DBLP, which would normally list publications and researchers in this area, has no record of an R. Santanen (instead it knows only of unrelated researchers Jukka-Pekka Santanen and Eric L. Santanen). MathSciNet also does not list R. Santanen as an author. The phrase "Santanen algorithm" does not appear in Google scholar. The journal's table of contents for that year and page number range [8] do not list any such paper and list two other papers whose page numbers overlap the given page range. The claim that the main application of this algorithm is to pack people into a sauna is also highly suspicious. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Role-playing game terms. And partial merge. Of course, the target page can also be nominated for deletion.  Sandstein  17:55, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Total party kill[edit]

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All sources broken, couldn't find many replacements online. Generally seems like limited demographic parlance. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 21:22, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:55, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Ryan Wolf[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, and WP:MUSICBIO. No charted songs or award nominations. Unable to locate secondary sources to establish notability. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:14, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:55, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Queen Vodka[edit]

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When you take out the list of awards and the stuff sourced to Snow Queen marketing material, there's nothing but one sentence describing a not particularly notable product. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 21:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Callum Field[edit]

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Fails WP:RLN as not yet made debut for Wigan Warriors first team. PROD contested without reason by article creator. – skemcraig⊗ 19:59, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:56, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gabriel Fell[edit]

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Fails WP:RLN as not yet made debut for Wigan Warriors first team. PROD contested without reason by article creator. – skemcraig⊗ 19:58, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn; article now meets WP:RLN. (non-admin closure) --Jack Frost (talk) 21:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Liam Marshall[edit]

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Fails WP:RLN as not yet made debut for Wigan Warriors first team. PROD contested without reason by article creator. – skemcraig⊗ 19:47, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:04, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Eaves[edit]

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Fails WP:RLN as not yet made debut for St Helens first team. PROD contested without reason by article creator. – skemcraig⊗ 19:46, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If it fails a policy like WP:RLN because they player has not yet played, how on Earth can the article be simply cleaned up to pass? – skemcraig⊗ 19:09, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
From RLN..."Other players and personalities surrounding the game are notable if they meet WP:GNG." I'm not convinced that there aren't external sources out there yet. I'm not 100% sure that there are either, but I don't think any effort has been put into trying. South Nashua (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Same reply as here – skemcraig⊗ 21:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Same reply as here South Nashua (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:04, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Matty Lees[edit]

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Fails WP:RLN as not yet made debut for St Helens first team. PROD contested without reason by article creator. – skemcraig⊗ 19:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:06, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Josh Gannon[edit]

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Fails WP:RLN as not yet made debut for Wigan Warriors first team. PROD contested without reason by article creator. – skemcraig⊗ 19:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If it fails a policy like WP:RLN because they player has not played, how on Earth can the article be simply cleaned up to pass? – skemcraig⊗ 19:08, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
From RLN..."Other players and personalities surrounding the game are notable if they meet WP:GNG." I'm not convinced that there aren't external sources out there yet. I'm not 100% sure that there are either, but I don't think any effort has been put into trying. South Nashua (talk) 21:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As a passionate supporter of rugby league, I can assure you that youth players yet to debut do not pass GNG. – skemcraig⊗ 21:17, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Hell, I might actually agree, but as an outsider, I don't think enough effort has been made to assure this one way or another. South Nashua (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:07, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jonah Cunningham[edit]

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Fails WP:RLN as not yet made debut for St Helens first team. PROD contested without good reason. – skemcraig⊗ 19:43, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep I think this is a cause for cleanup, not deletion. It also seems likely that he will play at least one game with the senior team soon due to the new contract, so TOOSOON and CRYSTAL don't really apply here. South Nashua (talk)
Text book case of WP:CRYSTAL, he could suffer a career ending injury in training next week for all we know and never play for the first team... – skemcraig⊗ 19:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think the contract is the key here. Anyone drafted in North American sports leagues is notable, this seems to be an equivalent. He's on the roster. South Nashua (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That may well be the case for American sports, but RLN does not (yet) allow players just contracted to be notable enough, they need to play. – skemcraig⊗ 21:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:08, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Party President[edit]

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Original research. The leader of a party is unequivocally known as a party leader, not party president, in Norway, which is one of the few countries cited in this geographically limited text. Geschichte (talk) 19:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:08, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Amy Kitcher[edit]

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Politician who was an unsuccessful candidate for parliament and has not held office above local level. Fails to meet WP:NPOL on those grounds. Article contains no other assertions of notability, and she has only incidental coverage in the non-primary sources. QueenCake (talk) 19:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:08, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lionel Savery[edit]

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Was deprodded (rationale on article's talk page). While accomplished, does meet either WP:GNG or WP:SOLDIER. Onel5969 TT me 18:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of Charmed characters. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 21:02, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Major villains in Charmed[edit]

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This list appears unnecessary. It fails WP:FICT, WP:NOTE and WP:RS. Limited evidence of independent notability. The characters from the list that have notability already have their own separate articles: Billie Jenkins, Christy Jenkins, Cole Turner, and Barbas (Charmed). The other characters do not appear to have notability outside of the series, and the information relating to them can be covered in the lists on their respective seasons or in the general list of characters for the series. Aoba47 (talk) 18:34, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Fitt[edit]

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No clear evidence of notability. Most of the references provided are not reliable. This page looks very much like a promotional effort to market Marc Fitt. Mr RD 18:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jenn Karson[edit]

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I do not think this person is notable: she was a member of a band that may be notable, but per WP:NMUSIC that does not make her notable unless she has "demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band" and I do not think her founding of a "maker" group or being a university lecturer cross that threshold. Her solo album certainly is not notable as it seems to have received zero press. Coverage in reliable sources seems to be limited to local, free-weekly and blog-type coverage only: [9][10] Fyddlestix (talk) 18:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:09, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rupyal[edit]

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There's still no indication that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. -- Tavix (talk) 18:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping (film)[edit]

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Article created by now-blocked WP:COI. Sources don't demonstrate WP:NOTE as either non-WP:RS or non-WP:V (the one "press article" cited is really a link to the production company's web site, and searching that paper's archives didn't turn anything up). While the subject of the film is certainly notable, WP:BEFORE does not show any sources to comply with significant coverage in independent sources about the film itself. Unable to find evidence meets WP:GNG or WP:NFILM. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 00:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Timo Puustinen[edit]

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Not enough sources and presumably not notable. FriyMan talk 17:36, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - lots of news hits (though I assume the chicken farmer is somebody else). Sorry, don't speak Finnish well enough to be able to improve the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:24, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

AFF3CT[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:PRODUCT. Ahecht (TALK
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Please, let us give you some elements that will hopefully help you to better understand why we believe AFF3CT is elligible to be on Wikipedia. AFF3CT is a non-profit, open source (MIT licence) and academic tool to simulate Error-Correcting Codes (ECCs). As such, it fufills the Wikipedia philosophy of open knowledge and sharing. AFF3CT can be used as: a research tool to develop new codes, in industrial contexts to reproduce existing results and to simulate new configurations on big clusters. But AFF3CT could also be used by any random individual (a student, a maker, an Arduino addict, ...) that would like to improve its own communication system. A common application of AFF3CT is the wireless communications like WiFi, 3G, 4G, 5G, etc, but it could be extended to any other communication setup. It can also be used as a library like the Wikipedia referenced IT++ but it is simply more specific to the Forward Error Correction (FEC) domain. More generally, this tool helps to better understand what is an error correction code and thus modestly contributes in understanding the (technologic) world around us. Even more importantly, the most simple reason why we would like AFF3CT on Wikipedia is maybe that we would have loved to find out the existence of such a tool on Wikipedia (or elsewhere) when we started to get interested in ECC.

We hope that these few elements will help you better understand why we want to share the existence of AFF3CT on Wikipedia.

Please feel free to give us some tips in how to improve the AFF3CT page ?

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

UFO sightings in Portugal[edit]

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There is no indication of notability and the article is written based entirely on unreliable sources. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is that the subject is too known for WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE to apply here. Since this policy only uses the word "may" anyway, there is no prejudice to do so. Plus, removing the AfD tag indicates that the nominator maybe wished to withdraw his nomination anyway. SoWhy 14:34, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alberto Frigo[edit]

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This article is about me. I do not wish to appear public on Wikipedia, it conflicts with my own image and the information I wish to provide through my own website Alberto.frigo (talk) 15:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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That's a good question but not relevant to the discussion.104.163.140.193 (talk) 08:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It could be interpreted as an an attempt to revoke the request. Perhaps we could ask the subject? Mduvekot (talk) 23:50, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It would be faster to ask an admin to close this as keep, since it does not meet WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE-- the sole delete rationale.104.163.140.193 (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
He had a profile in Wired magazine and many newspaper articles... can you really say he is relatively unknown?104.163.140.193 (talk) 17:59, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There was certainly good pick up of the Chris Parsons Yahoo news piece -- and there was something in Wired back in 2006. I guess it comes down to how you'd interpret "relatively." I'd probably be arguing keep if it was up for deletion. I do tend to err on the side of WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE that may come close to WP:IAR, if someone isn't what I would regard as a prominently notable person. Which I'd argue this one-handed lifeblogger isn't. But I get that I am going to be on the losing side in this. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well said! You are correct about being on the losing side-- once notable, always notable.104.163.140.193 (talk) 22:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

James Gallagher (fighter)[edit]

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Same reasons as the first two AfD - does not meet WP:NMMA. The Db-repost was declined because the article was different enough however the second AfD was for a truncated version of the first. This version is pretty much the same as the first deleted version. No top tier fights and BJJ success was as blue belt (i.e. lower level.) Peter Rehse (talk) 14:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher King (options trader)[edit]

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Was deprodded with the following rationale: "This page is not finalized as more information from more third party sources are being compiled, due to copyrights In due time it will definitely become a substantial article with cogent information for research and knowledge.) " However, no improvements over the past week. Appears to be promotional piece, very poorly sourced. At best it might be moved to userspace of the article's creator in order for potential development. Onel5969 TT me 13:10, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. Speedy deleted per G3. Basalisk inspect damage⁄berate 14:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Australia at the 2018 Winter Olympics[edit]

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Rambling nonsense about Australia at the Winter Olympics that have not happened yet. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 13:07, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted per A1 RickinBaltimore (talk) 13:56, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A train arriving at a station[edit]

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Very short new article with barely any text and no context to explain what the article should be describing. Notability cannot be gauged as there is nothing to base it off of. (As of 13:02, February 28 2017) UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 13:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Poole (musician)[edit]

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Article relies on a dead link to prove its subject's notability JayCodec (talk) 12:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's not about what's in the article, it's about what you find with WP:BEFORE, otherwise it's just a referencing issue rather than notability. At worst, this would be a redirect to Queen's Players rahter than deletion. Boleyn (talk) 11:15, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nom is probably a student at the school who thinks nominating this will get it deleted .... unfortunately as he doesn't know policies he's failed rather miserably here, Anyway no valid reason has been presented for deletion and obviously meets SO etc etc etc. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 21:05, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cornwallis Academy[edit]

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Page not needed Stuart.eatwell (talk) 12:18, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Hamirpur High School. (non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 00:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hamirpur Board Primary School[edit]

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Non-notable primary school. Only sources are WP:PRIMARY ([11]), directories ([12]), Facebook ([13]), since it lacks independent notability. Propose redirect to the secondary school, Hamirpur High School, Hamirpur, Rourkela. O Fortuna!...Imperatrix mundi. 12:19, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Paul John Dykes[edit]

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Writer of sports biographies, which appear to have been well received (e.g. mentioned in Scotsman book lists) but are essentially narrow fan-interest publications, about notable subjects but of little notability themselves. Although the article cites several reliable sources, they are mainly news items of the "a book about a notable subject has been published" variety, rather than carrying any particular coverage of Mr Dykes, so I'm inclined to think it fails WP:AUTHOR. To be honest, I suspect a degree of promotion (possibly self-promotion) behind this article, as its creator's editing other than on this article is almost exclusively limited to the subjects of Mr Dykes' books. Until I removed them, it also included unsourced personal info, such as date of birth, and a link to a commercial Celtic books website. Jellyman (talk) 19:36, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article's creator, User:HummingbirdSong, left the following response on the talk page of this nomination, rather than directly here. I have copied it across as follows:

"These publications are not "narrow fan-interest" items. They include an authorised biography about a Scottish international World Cup player, and a Scottish football captain, who managed clubs in America and Australia.

Each book has been published by separate publishers, and they are not fan or self-published.

In terms of being notable works, two have been named in a national newspaper's end-of-year merit list, and the other was adapted into a feature-length documentary (as listed on IMDB).

On the subject of the edits being around one subject, my interest lies in Celtic literature, and the subjects written about here (The Quality Street Gang, Neil Mochan & Andy Lynch) all have Wikipedia pages that include references to their respective biographies and autobiographies. By expanding on the subject of the author in this case, readers of Wikipedia are able to research further, each of the respective publications. It is not relevant that I, as someone who has taken the time to make factual edits to this site, has done so exclusively to one subject. This is not something that should prevent me or other users from making updates (exclusivity of subject) unless there is a term of use preventing them from doing so.

To further speculate that I have done this as self-promotion would suggest an accusation that I am indeed Paul John Dykes. This is an unfounded accusation and not one that I take lightly. These updates about a notable, three-times-published, author and documentary producer are in keeping with the terms of Wikipedia (which were fully read and understood in relation to notability etc).

On the contrary, the reason that you wish for these articles to be removed would appear to be self-motivated, as they deal solely in speculation (that you believe the author to be the subject).

Perhaps the DOB information was unsourced, but it was factually accurate and obtained from other online sources (Amazon and IMDB).

In terms of the link to a webpage, again perhaps poor edits on my part, but this was a link to this author's publisher's homepage, and no more a commercial effort to sell books than any other link to an official website."

This is the full text their response, excepting quotations from my original nomination. Jellyman (talk) 12:12, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am not an expert on Wikipedia's deletion criteria, but I have seen many articles worse than this. I have also looked at WP:AUTHOR and to me this seems like a reasonable inclusion due to two of the books being nominated for awards by a national newspaper on separate occasions, and referenced accordingly. Obviously the books themselves are not notable but due to there being two such nominations I think there is at least a decent argument for the author being listed. The books relate to a fairly narrow subject but of course football is immensly popular and Celtic is a club close to many hearts with a rich history so it would not be suprising that books on the subject would be both popular and meritorious, and that readers would wish for the author to be more widely known having enjoyed the books. So overall my vote would be for Keep so long as nothing further is added which appears to be promotional in nature (obviously new works would deserve a new mention). That being said, I notice with amusement that User:HummingbirdSong does not actually deny being the subject of the article. It is a little atypical that a person would create a Wikipedia profile purely to create a profile of a fairly obscure sports biography author and link the subjects of the author's books to the author's profile, without being in some way connected to that person, therefore I wait to be convinced that if you are not Paul John, that you are not perhaps his agent or publicist. Crowsus (talk) 22:58, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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one thing I would point out is that the second Scotsman list is more of a collection, I don't believe the books are placed in any order of merit and a lot of them are based around Scottish/Edinburgh subjects so I don't think the book in question is a particular local sympathy vote.

@HummingbirdSong:, looks like this may be your final chance to keep your article on Wikipedia... Crowsus (talk) 20:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]


On the earlier point that a contributor remained unconvinced that I am not the subject of this article, I wish to state for the avoidance of any doubt that I am not.

In relation to the documentary adaptation, this was completed and released in 2015, and it is listed on the Internet Movie Database with Paul John Dykes as the Executive Producer. This documentary was adapted from the author's second book, Celtic's Smiler: http://m.imdb.com/title/tt5539538/

The question around his third book (Hoops, Stars & Stripes) being included in The Scotsman's list due to it being sympathetic to local subjects, I would point out that other subject matter of other books also on the list included Argentina, Real Madrid and Johann Cruyff. This is a list of football books of the year, not Scottish football books of the year.

There are numerous reviews of the three books and the documentary online. These links (and the IMDB link to the documentary) can be added as sources, and I am happy to do this in order to reference the subject more thoroughly.

Perhaps this listing was initially poor in its structure and referencing, but the subject should remain, as the author's work has been critically acclaimed (The Quality Street Gang and Hoops, Stars & Stripes in end-of-year lists) and adapted on to the big screen (Celtic's Smiler). 

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The result was redirect to Bong. Disregarding the blocked Denarivs's opinion.  Sandstein  18:48, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Water pipe percolator[edit]

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This is an article about subassembly within bongs. I assume that standard Wikipedia rules apply to this field. The article itself has no suitable sources, despite its length and detail. Due to the subject matter, I doubt any good sources are available. I searched and found this one, for example: Types of Percolator Bongs, published by ‘Best Bong Reviews’. It doesn't seem to meet WP:IRS standards. If editors think a properly sourced article is possible I'd be happy to withdraw this AFD, but I believe it's destined to remain a collection of original research and, at best, dubious sources. Felsic2 (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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keep for now the subject appears notable. There is likely a source somewhere -or- it's also possible the device falls under another name that is more popular in the industry. More research is required to determine why there are no good sources from a simple Google search. Unless a more comprehensive search and explanation is given, I see no reason to delete at this time. --David Tornheim (talk) 13:33, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I did a search. If you can't find any sources either then who are we thinking will find them? If good sources are found in the future then the article can be recreated using them. Felsic2 (talk) 16:05, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I realized that hookah is the same technology. It appears the appropriate term is waterpipe rather than water pipe percolator. There is plenty of WP:RS for waterpipe smoking (e.g. [14]), much of it having to do with safety concerns of "waterpipe smoking": [15] [16]. A search of "waterpipe smoking" gives an unlimited number of articles that constitute WP:RS. There are quite a few different terms for the device: "A medical librarian was consulted and agreed with the search strategy used. The PubMed search was carried out using a strategy employing synonyms of ‘waterpipe’: waterpipe OR hookah OR shisha OR goza OR narghileh OR arghileh OR hubble-bubble." [17] Example of article on shisa [18]. I think it quite premature to assume this is an insignificant device technology. There is also [19] and [20] regarding percolators used in pharmacy and chemistry. Our [Percolation] article is quite weak! I am surprised. --David Tornheim (talk) 11:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Bong and Hookah are fine articles. This article, though concerns a minor part of those water pipes. The first sources you offer don't mention the word "percolator" at all. The last two sources you provided don't concern water pipes but would be good for a general article on Percolator, if we had one. Felsic2 (talk) 16:19, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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That is why we will, often enough, take even a blog post as a good source. If a Nobel Prize winning academic with a solid reputation for expertise and veracity gives some neutral (not controversial or contended) statement of fact within his field of expertise on his blog (and assuming we're confident it he really wrote it), we're usually OK with that, even though it's just one guy writing.
Ideally, we prefer material that we are confident has been gone over by a rigorous fact-checking operation, though. But always in the service of answer the question "how confident are we that this information is accurate?".
And when you're getting down into more obscure areas, you often just are not going to find a reference from a major daily newspaper or a mainstream magazines or peer-reviewed journals. So then you have to go Plan B. And fine, unless you're just going to give up on covering large areas. Lots of our articles on comic books and music and a lot else don't ref to mainstream or peer-reviewed journals because they can't. Anyway, Best Bong Reviews is Plan B.
How confident am I that the article was gone over rigorously by a fact checker, who (for instance) called up manufacturers and talked to experts there and so forth, to make sure the writer got his facts right? Not very. Best Bong Reviews is not Der Spiegel.
But consider:
  • First of all, there's no reason for Best Bong Reviews to lie about this stuff. I can't see any incentive for that. There're no ideological issues in play. (It's not impossible that they get under-the-table money to push certain products or whatever. However, this article doesn't mention any products or manufacturers, so this seem quite unlikely here.)
  • And they do have some incentive to get this stuff right. If their stuff is riddled with errors, people are going to avoid their website, and they probably don't want that.
  • They seem to have expertise in this field. The internal evidence of that article indicates that it was written by a person who cares about this stuff and seems to know something about it. Same as with the Nobel Prize winning academic's blog: it's in their wheelhouse.
All in all, that adds up, to me to an answer for "how confident are we that this information is accurate?" of "pretty confident". Could be wrong. I wouldn't bet my house on the veracity of any fact in the article. I wouldn't use Best Bong Reviews as a source for an article on the Palestinian peace process. But for this? Looks OK to me.
Since it's OK (if you buy my reasoning) then a properly sourced article is possible, which pretty much knocks out one of the pins of the deletion argument. (The argument that this is too much detail for a general encyclopedia is still in play though.) Herostratus (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but I might go through and delete the unsourced material. Felsic2 (talk) 20:35, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Felsic2: How about putting a tag above the appropriate sections (or at top of article) warning about unsourced material instead? We have a number of articles on major subjects of law that have either no sourcing or almost no sourcing and have stayed that way for quite some time:
Also, it seems like much of the material in our article can be found in Types of Percolator Bongs. I am not going to say that is good WP:RS--I have not researched it. --David Tornheim (talk) 21:16, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Since no section of the article has sources, the tag could be applied to the whole article. And then the whole article, minus its first sentence, could be deleted. (The only sources are primary sources used inappropriately to reference one sentence.) As for the listed articles, while they may not have cited sources there are dozens if not hundreds of easily available sources that are eminently reliable which address common legal terms. They are very different situations. Felsic2 (talk) 21:27, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Felsic2: I agree there are plenty of high quality sources that are relatively easy to find on the legal articles I mentioned, so you are right this situation is different because of that. We will have to agree to disagree about whether there exists or is likely to exist sufficiently reliable sources for the article under discussion to justify keeping the article and any of the content. I have the feeling they must exist somewhere, but I just don't know where to look and I am not that motivated to spend more time looking. Hopefully those who have created or added substantially to the article will do some research to find better sources, or convincingly show any of sources identified so far meet WP:RS standards.
I would request that if the article is deleted, it is done in such a way that the material that was so diligently worked on is saved. From working at AfD, I see that there are different kinds of deletes. I'm not sure how to make the appropriate request to preserve the edit history if the article is deleted. (It bothers me how often we lose the entire edit history when there is not universal agreement to delete an article. It's not like the articles take up that space on the server. I will be happy to discuss that somewhere else that is appropriate.) I believe a redirect does that.
Please let me know If you are aware of any policy or guideline that discusses how long an article without proper sourcing might stick around--especially for the case where there is reason to believe such sourcing might be available, but simply has not been sufficiently researched by the authors. The law articles don't meet that standard since the sourcing is definitely available but no one has taken the time to add it. --David Tornheim (talk) 14:38, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The issue with the lack of sourcing, WP:V, feeds back to the lack of notability, WP:N. If a topic hasn't been written about in reliable sources, then it's impossible to write a verifiable article about it, and maybe we shouldn't try. As for preserving the material pending the discovery of sources, that's putting the cart before the horse. If we find a reliable source then we should write content based upon it, not simply add some citations to the existing text. If you'd like to keep working on it you can always create a copy in your personal sandbox or copy it to your own computer. See Wikipedia:Userfication. Attribution of any previously written text would be an issue to resolve if it's ever posted again. Another option would be to republish the material elsewhere. Wikia may have a "Stonerpedia". The content on http://bestbongreviews.com/types-percolator-bongs/, while not a verbatim copy, seems to cover the topic equally well. Felsic2 (talk) 16:36, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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Keep per the excellent points made by the guy above me. This is exactly the sort of high-value content wikipedia should strive to provide. Denarivs (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to bong or delete entirely. Felsic2 makes a strong point about the lack of available sources indicating a lack of notability. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:21, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To quote WP:NPOSSIBLE: "If it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate. However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface." There don't seem to be enough sources that people agree meet WP:RS. If such sources are found in the future, the article can be rewritten based on those sources. I agree with Felsic2 that the sources provided in this discussion by David Tornheim appear to be more about water pipes in general, not water pipe percolators in particular. I welcome them to be added to relevant articles, such as bong or hookah, but I don't think they suffice for this article. 786b6364 (talk) 17:37, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Lonzo Ball. MBisanz talk 03:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

LiAngelo Ball[edit]

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Meets neither WP:GNG nor WP:ATHLETE. Was deprodded with "He is the middle brother of the very notable Ball Brothers. His brother Lonzo has a page and even his younger brother LaMelo". None of which goes to notability. Onel5969 TT me 01:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The consensus is that, because the book has not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the book itself, and because the book does not meet any of the additional criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (books), the book is not notable for a standalone Wikipedia article at this time. Mz7 (talk) 02:47, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Cruel Streets Revisited[edit]

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Non-notable book; self-published vanity press. A WP:BEFORE reveals the only mention at Amazon shopfront. No independent reviews. Not the subject of others' writings. No literary awards, major or otherwise. Author (John F. Wake) is non-notable in his own right. Fails WP:BOOKCRIT and WP:GNG. O Fortuna!...Imperatrix mundi. 11:59, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wordcatcher Publishing is NOT a vanity publisher. As the Owner I can categorically state that the author paid us nothing to have the book published, and we will only get a return on book sales. It is a well-researched book, with extensive copyright attributions and thorough research on Cardiff history using reputable archives and with the assistance of Cardiff Library Service. David Norrington, Owner, Wordcatcher Publishing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.86.54 (talk) 16:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

House Afrika Records[edit]

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Article about a record company that fails WP:CORPDEPTH. My searches only turned up Owen, Threse (26 November 2014). "House Afrika home of SA dance music" – via IOL., which is already included in the article. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:15, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Flat Out How can you say that the Independent Online source is not independent? AusLondonder (talk) 08:26, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Kurykh (talk) 18:57, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Italian New Zealanders[edit]

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See AfD discussion on this DrStrauss talk 11:28, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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how does "many New Zealanders enjoy aspects of Italian culture" add to notability? LibStar (talk) 11:01, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Consensus is that the sources provided establish notability. (non-admin closure) J947 19:26, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Carola Insolera[edit]

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Does not appear to meet WP:NMODEL. I was unable to find any in-depth coverage of this person from independent sources (in other words, not interviews or stories about the clothing that she has modeled). Ahecht (TALK
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@Ahecht:I am afraid you overlooked the biggest Italian newspaper's article, La Repubblica http://d.repubblica.it/moda/2017/02/21/news/carola_insolera_modella_sorda_sfilate-3431564/ please check google translation. Magise (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That source is an interview, which means it isn't independent of the subject of the article. --Ahecht (TALK
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@Ahecht: Do you mean you need any article that talks about her without interviewing her? Something like this one http://www.vous.hu/hir/20170212-siket-modell-rendezo-sign-gene-carola-insolera ? Am I missing some links? Magise (talk) 23:45, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ahecht: In accordance to the WP:NMODEL, Carola

1. Has been working for numerous brands and campaigns 2. Has a significant "cult" following 3. Has made unique and innovative contributions to the fashion industry: again, his model is a native visual communicator (she only uses the visual language since birth). She does not use interpreters at all when working and this is mind blowing for many professionals. Her purpose is to have a direct contact with the photographers and the team so she can welcome all of them to her visual world. That's where the artistic chemistry starts. Lastly, 'thanks' to the deafness, like she states, she will just express limitless visually next to the camera. Results are outstanding. Her deafness is indeed a plus to her, one of her main assets. This is obviously a very new concept. A very inspiring approach. Here we are not talking about amateur models but professional ones. This is undoubtedly an unique contribution in the field of the fashion industry.

In few words, there are two worlds: sound world and visual world. She is the only model, ambassador of the visual world that invites the professionals to explore her world. This scientific concept should not be undervalued. There have been various articles about her, mostly just printed. Am I still missing something? Magise (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ahecht:

Apart the uncountable links about her modelling work here are a some works that are independent from the subject

http://www.acm5.com/vgs/1_tegnspraak/materiell/webhefte13/kopioriginaler/progr_kult_dager_04.pdf here it is a program of the show where she was an actress for ”Den fortapte sønn” Carola “Wisny”, it was her last name before meeting his husband.

http://www.ndhs.no/wp-content/uploads/dt/DT2007-7.pdf Carola Wisny in the role of a princess for a TV series

http://marinabrenere.com/moments/

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@Ahecht: Also please check she working for various TV series at http://www.dovesmediatv.no (just log in, search "carola wisny" and you will find a bunch of her work from there)

Lastly, another article independent from the subject http://www.corriere.it/reportage/cultura/2014/i-miei-suoni-senza-voce-la-storia-di-christine-sun-kim-2/ Magise (talk) 13:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Timothyjosephwood. I believe this article should not be deleted. DennisPietras (talk) 18:10, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just added more links. As for Robert McClenon's comment, we can alwaus delete the two Youtube links and the Instagram one if we have to. Rest of the sources are however very reliable ones. I agree with :@Timothyjosephwood: and :@DennisPietras: the article includes sufficient sources therefore it should "not" be deleted. Magise (talk) 11:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB (I know...don't lecture me) lists two films she was apparently in, but I can't find anything on them really at all, although again that may be a language issue. There may be other sources available using her maiden name, but I didn't find much other than this, which is trivial mention and so doesn't help notability. But overall, I think this one's pretty borderline as it currently stands. TimothyJosephWood 14:54, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Timothyjosephwood: Here it is what I just found, BBC links: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011m05c and http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011lby5 Carola on BBC for "Ways of Talking" (link from IMDB). I just added them Magise (talk) 10:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Both links give a "content not available on this device" error, which I assume, since I'm on PC, means the link is either wrong or I'm in the wrong country. TimothyJosephWood 13:08, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Timothyjosephwood: Thank you for your continued collaboration. Here it is another one, http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p011mlks or

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p011ws9f.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/clips/zqc6rdm&h=360&w=640&tbnid=bWMMDuF0gZMAiM&tbnh=168&tbnw=300&usg=__2En7DD2XfBM4OHI96LjWidvikss=&docid=phRwycXHDT4fJM#h=360&imgrc=bWMMDuF0gZMAiM:&tbnh=168&tbnw=300&w=640

Still image is an enough proof that it is Carola and plus she has been credited on IMDB. Same here, player is not working. BBC must have its own reason, monetary related Magise (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the enthusiasm, but a broken link doesn't really do anything as far as establishing notability goes. TimothyJosephWood 19:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have been adding many new links today. It looks good now. Magise (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This article stays. 212.67.117.30 (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This one is worth saving. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball! 21:26, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:14, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SAS: Zombie Assault 4[edit]

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This is a video game that lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources to establish notability. The article has no sourcing and my own searches turned up none. Whpq (talk) 18:16, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 22:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ricky J[edit]

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Article does not assert the importance or notability of the subject and therefore may not meet the notability criteria for musicians. The article does mention that the subject has a single that has peaked the "Billboard Canada single sales chart" but it's not verifiable since there's no citation. JayCodec (talk) 11:39, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets WP:MUSICBIO. JayCodec, upon further reflection, would you consider withdrawing your nomination? Boleyn (talk) 14:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:17, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

X-Trade Brokers[edit]

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Seems to fail WP:NCORP. Deprodded by anon, likely creator. Sources are mostly PR/self-published. Also, while this is not a notability criteria, if a Polish company doesn't even have a Polish Wikipedia article, it is a big red flag saying 'internationally-aimed spam' to me. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. WP:CSD#A3 -- Ed (Edgar181) 15:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nandamuri Balakrishna's 101th film[edit]

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WP:HAMMER. While the film could become notable in the future, and indeed there's already some coverage about it, given the lack of available information at this time, it's probably at best a case of WP:TOOSOON for this article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Article serves little purpose. Ajf773 (talk) 08:22, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Captain Video and His Video Rangers. Kurykh (talk) 04:17, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tobor[edit]

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Procedural listing. This article was blanked and redirected to Tobor (disambiguation) by User:Scifist with the following edit summary: Since this page was so filled with faulty information, I created a new disambiguation page, and redirected this page there. - Eureka Lott 00:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Kurykh (talk) 04:18, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Australia[edit]

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Non-notable event. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. See WP:BBLP and WP:BIODEL. Kurykh (talk) 04:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Shona Chhabra[edit]

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Requested by article subject via OTRS (ticket #2017020210005956), per WP:BBLP. Nominator offers no opinion as to whether this should be deleted or kept. Yunshui 雲水 12:23, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The consensus is that this article is unnecessary in light of existing coverage of the subject at Stamford Bridge (stadium)#Future. Mz7 (talk) 02:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New Stamford Bridge[edit]

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This isn't a new stadium. It's a redevelopment of an existing stadium, on the same site. Material already covered by Stamford Bridge (stadium)#Future. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 07:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Kuhn (entrepreneur)[edit]

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The firm varsity Books is possibly notable,party for the legal issues involved. But he isn't, neither for that are subsequently. DGG ( talk ) 06:41, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NGA Human Resources[edit]

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Article is little more than blatant advertising, and has survived CSD on the grounds of the creator improving it. Company could well be notable but as it stands would have to be totally rewritten to be encyclopaedic. Triptothecottage (talk) 07:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Bye Bye Birdie § Bye Bye Birdie Live!. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 21:11, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bye Bye Birdie Live![edit]

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At best, this article fails WP:CRYSTAL. The production doesn't exist yet and will not for 10 months, during which time anything can happen, including cancellation, despite plans. AussieLegend (✉) 07:29, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rahul Dé[edit]

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The speedy was declined with "Teaches at a notable school". Notability is not inherited and I didn't find any sources of him being notable. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 14:23, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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It's not exactly Harvard. Xxanthippe (talk) 01:21, 18 February 2017 (UTC).[reply]
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My rationale for the keep is based on the following considerations - WP:PROF#C5 is enough to qualify the notability test. Indian Institute of Management Bangalore can be considered as a "major institution of higher education and research", because

  • While it may not exactly be Harvard, according to the QS Global 200 Business Schools Report, students of IIM B have the highest average GMAT scores in the world, which at 780 was much higher than Harvard's 730. -[25][26]
  • Financial Times puts IIM B as the 49th best college in the world to pursue an MBA and the 19th best college in its Global Masters in Management 2016 rankings. - [27][28]

While notability is not inherited, since WP:PROF#C5 specifically allows for pages on professors like him (He is the Hewlett-Packard Chair Professor in ICT for Sustainable Economic Development - [29]), the article warrants a keep according to me.


WP:PROF#C7 can also be considered. Here are some media references.

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The only possible criterion which might have been applicable is WP:PROF#C5 - The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon). However, I see some problems here. The concept of a Named chair or Distinguished professor are applicable to a small portion of tenured faculty who have done exceptional research. However, at this institute, I do not see evidence that this is a tenured position. Management schools often have these "sponsored chair professor" positions, but these are not equivalent to the traditional named chair which has rigourous requirements. At this point, I do not think that WP:PROF is satisfied. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:04, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • You probably did not see the articles in which he is quoted as an expert. Only 3 of the 10 odd articles that I managed to find where written by him. The other articles quoted him, as he is considered an expert on the subject. WP:PROF#C7 doesn't require these sources to mention the subject's contribution. These sources that I mention are notable and independent institutions which consider the subject's contribution (which you seem to be looking for) to be notable enough to merit asking for his opinion.
  • The concept of tenured professorship is different in India. Unlike in other nations, Government jobs are largely permanent once you are appointed, similar to the broad idea of job security that tenured professorships offer in other nations. Being appointed for the position of Associate Professor or above in Government owned institutions (the concerned person is a Professor) is generally an appointment till the age of retirement. Also he is the chairperson of the Centre for Software & Information Technology Management, an autonomous centre within the university, something that won't be awarded to run of the mill professors, especially in major institutions like IIM B. And Sponsored chairs are as much named chairs as the other 'traditional' chairs (which are also sponsored by people or by the university), irrespective of what your Original Research may deem them to be.
  • As for GNG, professors are not always the toast of the town in India. But do consider the fact that he is on the Governing council of Institute for Development and Research in Banking Technology, the Central Bank of India, RBI's, research and development arm, which makes policy decisions affecting the entire nation. Also consider that he teaches a course on edX which is viewed by students by across the world. These and the regular press coverage he gets as a subject expert is as much notability a professor can possibly achieve. Jupitus Smart 17:54, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had another, but I am still not convinced for a keep.
  1. I had a look at every single news report. 3 are written by him, so it's not useful. 1 is an interview which is not useful either. Out of the 6, 5 of them are all in the same time period of Sep-Nov 2009. Many of them simply quote him but do not explain why he is notable or why is he an expert. The only other report was in 2013 where he was again quoted, but there was no mention about him being an expert in something. This isn't what we call "frequent quotation" and wouldn't help to fulfil WP:PROF#C7.
  2. The h-index is something which bothers me. Information science is a highly cited field, but I only counted an h-index of 11 in Google Scholar (Xxanthippe seems to have counted 10). This is quite less, much less than someone who I would expect to be tenured and in a "named chair" position.
  3. The criteria about "named chairs" at WP:PROF#C5 doesn't give a free pass solely due to an endowed chair, it requires tenure at full professor level and the intention of the guideline is to be highly selective (See Criterion 5 can be applied reliably only for persons who are tenured at the full professor level). In addition, simply because the appointment is to an endowed post, doesn't help to prove notability. If what you described as the tenure process (appointments for life) is true, then unfortunately it doesn't count as a selective process. I looked through some of the profiles of "Professors" in the subject's department and quite a few of them such as the Dean have an h-index around 8, which falls short of what is expected. (Most academics in this field would require > 20). I would really hesitate to call this selective.
  4. The autonomous centre is similar to the concept of research centres/labs. These are mostly administrative posts and not helpful for WP:PROF (the idea is to ensure that the subject's work had made an impact).
  5. I understand that GNG is hard for academics, which is precisely why we have WP:PROF. In this case, the significant coverage in independent reliable sources is not enough though.
Overall, I believe I will stick to my delete. WP:PROF is meant to be there for academics who may not pass GNG, but whose work in general has created an impact. If I do the "Average Professor Test": When judged against the average impact of a researcher in his or her field, does this researcher stand out as clearly more notable or more accomplished than others in the field?, I find it very hard to go for a keep. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't have anything to do with this professor. I have begun to realise the futility of fighting for retaining his article when it was not even made by me. I was sucked into this vortex because I voted Keep and had to maintain my perfect record at AfD's. I admit that I cannot even calculate the h-index, and its useless arguing with people who prowl Professor AfD's when I am more of a movie AfD guy. So I am taking the easy way out, and changing my vote per Lemongirl's assertions. Have a good day. Jupitus Smart 04:27, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Greg M Mercer[edit]

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Per WP:GNG. Sources provided are noted as potentially unreliable, and an internet search for "Greg M Mercer" comes up mostly with social media accounts and the sources that are already listed in the article. Not a ton of coverage on the accomplished listed as notable: starting a company in 2014, and publishing a case study in 2015. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 06:36, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 02:58, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Leslie Lynch King Sr.[edit]

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Notability is not inherited and aside from a single biological act this guy is a complete nonentity. I am unimpressed by the keep arguments advanced in the 2007 AfD. There doesn't appear to be anything of note about this man that is not already covered in Gerald Ford. If we have an article about a less consequential figure I can't think of it off hand. See also WP:1E. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:25, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Im wondering that as well. I created the AfD with Twinkle. Noting the absence of the previous AfD I added a link in my nominating statement. That said I have no objection to moving the AfD. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:36, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
AH HAH! I see the problem. There was a comma in the title of the original AfD that has since been removed from the article name. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:43, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, we can probably fix it then. I'd try to later, if no one else does. You've linked to it anyway. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:03, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:1E. The existence of sources is not the last word in notability. The bottom line is that this guy's sole claim to fame is one act which is more than adequately covered in Gerald Ford. Beyond that single incident he is a complete nonentity and there is no reason for an article. If this is not a case of 1E then that guideline should probably be done away with. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Saying that biological fatherhood is "one event" seems to be twisting WP:1E. Even if one does interpret biological fatherhood as "one event", WP:1E says "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. The assassins of major political leaders, such as Gavrilo Princip, fit into this category, as indicated by the large coverage of the event in reliable sources that devotes significant attention to the individual's role." Surely being a biological father is more important than being an assassin! Jrheller1 (talk) 21:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Surely being a biological father is more important than being an assassin! - I could not disagree more strongly. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:57, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Why? Gerald Ford's father put several years into the relationship with Gerald Ford's mother necessary to bring Gerald Ford into the world. An assassin might spend several days preparing for an assassination. Jrheller1 (talk) 22:13, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That might be worth some detail in an article on Gerald Ford's mother, and wouldn't be worth a stand-alone article even then. --Calton | Talk 06:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just to be clear, my !vote is based on GNG, which he pretty clearly passes (I obliquely refer to in depth coverage in reliable sources in my previous comment). I didn't find terHorst's 1974 biography, but added material from Cannon and Cannon 2013, as well as Gullan's book about the fathers of the presidents published in 2004. Smmurphy(Talk) 22:09, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There are exceptions to GNG including 1E of which this is an obvious case. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:17, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know that I've ever seen exceptions explicitly mentioned in notability policies for people (other than WP:IAR),[1E and NOT are both called "exclusionary criteria" in the BASIC section of N, sorry for the confusion] can you point me to what you mean? I agree there is some nuance when a person is notable for one event, but it isn't clearly spelled out where the line should be. Some examples are given, I can't say for sure if King is more or less notable than the examples at WP:1E or WP:WI1E and we generally do not compare articles at AfD. For some guidance, I might suggest WP:NEVENT, in particular, WP:PERSISTENCE. Gullan's 2004 book was republished last year, so to me, from 1974 (terHorsts book) until now, Ford's birth and the divorce of his biological parents has been considered notable. The divorce itself received significant coverage in papers in 1912 and 1913, and that coverage is mentioned in Gullan and in Cannon and Cannon. The meeting between Ford and King when Ford was in high school has also been a constant feature of stories on the young Ford since 1974. Perhaps Ford's birth and the divorce can be covered in the article on his mother and perhaps the meeting between Ford and King when Ford was in high school is trivial and perhaps the relationship between King Sr. and C. H. King can be covered in the article about King's father. So, you could say that no article is needed about King as most everything can be covered elsewhere and ultimately he is known for one thing. But coverage on him includes a lot more than one event and has been in depth, reliable, and persistent. Smmurphy(Talk) 02:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
King's biological relationship to Ford is his only claim to fame. His article clearly demonstrates that beyond being what another editor aptly described as a "glorified sperm donor" he was a complete zero. His influence on Ford was, while perhaps not non-existent, it was certainly trivial. And any relevant information is already to be found inGerald Ford. This is an unnecessary content fork about someone who does not meet our notability guidelines per WP:1E unless you believe that notability should be inherited. And if that is the case, this is the wrong forum for that discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've reread 1E, and I still don't understand your argument. For instance, it writes: It is important to remember that "notable" is not a synonym for "famous". Someone may have become famous due to one event, but may nevertheless be notable for more than one event. Notability is determined by in depth coverage by multiple reliable sources, and multiple aspects of King's life have that coverage, as would be expected by the son of a multi-millionaire, an individual who beat his wife and got a divorce in the 1910s, and then himself became massively wealthy after his father died. Smmurphy(Talk) 13:39, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Does this exception to our guidelines and policies apply only to the fathers of American Presidents, or does it also apply to the fathers of all heads of government globally? And does it also extend to mothers? I am starting to smell some of Wikipedia's more pervasive institutional biases here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
To be brutally honest, American Presidents are more important than many heads of government globally. I think we all know Donald Trump has more power, influence, and significance to our readers than Kersti Kaljulaid. I do believe this is an instance in which an exception to the normal approach is warranted. And in my original comment, I said 'parents', not just 'fathers'. Lepricavark (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your interesting and "brutally honest" reply. I am starting to see an RfC on this general topic in the not too distant future. I will wait until after the AfD closes so as not to muddy this particular discussion. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Some are and some are not. But the issue here is WP:1E and whether we are going to extend a blanket exemption to the fathers (and mothers?) of Presidents. And will it be just American Presidents or do other countries get the same exemption from our guidelines. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hilton Sharm Waterfalls Resort[edit]

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fails WP:ORG. coverage is very routine. LibStar (talk) 05:31, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. There are three main points to consider when closing this discussion:

1 Does the player pass the subject-specific guideline on the basis of having played in a fully professional league?
No. This is a problem for women's football, but the guideline, arrived at by consensus, is quite clear on this point. Arguments that the player has played in a countries top league are not relevant. Playing in a top league that is not of an agreed fully professional status does not confer notability for any player.
2 Does the player pass the subject-specific guideline on the basis of having played senior international football in either a Tier 1 match or a competitive match organised by a regional confederation?
No. The international appearances made by this player for a team specifically selected as U20 for a tournament organised by a sub-confederation of the AFC.
2 Most importantly of all, does the player pass GNG, namely that she has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article?
No. A review of the sources in the article clearly shows that none of the sources are significant coverage, as none of them are really about her, they are all about teams she has played for, squads she has been called up for and matches in which she has featured. There is nothing to show that she has given any significant interviews or been the subject of specific coverage herself.
More importantly, a review of the sources in the article shows that the ultimate sources for a lot of the references are: The AFC, The Football Federation of Australia, Sydney FC (or other clubs against which she has competed), or Football NSW; i.e. obvious primary sources.
In both the article and this discussion, I can see reference to only one article of that could be deemed to be both significant coverage and independent of the subject, namely this. One relatively short article is simply insufficient to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 15:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia Plessas[edit]

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One article from the "local sport" pages where she is one of six mentioned young players (14 years old at the time), and one entry list of a tournament where she played with the Australian U-20 team (not the senior national team!). No evidence of notability here. She gets mentioned in match reports and the like, and may very well become a notable player, but doesn't seem to meet WP:NFOOTY yet. Prod removed by an editor who thinks that the U20 matches do satisfy NFOOTY, as they were against senior national teams, but my reading of the guideline is different. For NFOOTY, one needs to have played in a Tier 1 international match, and such a match is [40] is either between two A teams (the U20 team is not the A team obviously), or between an A teaml and a Scratch team (again, the U20 team is not a scratch team). The matches she played in do match the definition of a Tier 2 match (between an A team and "any other representative team"). Fram (talk) 07:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Furthermore she plays in a top level league. It is simply ridiculous to follow WP:NFOOTY with women footballers when only 3 leagues are listed at WP:FPL (which doesn't include the top level leagues from countries ranked in the top 10: Germany, France, England, Australia and Japan). --SuperJew (talk) 17:25, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @SuperJew: just in case you missed it the criteria states "in a competitive senior international match at confederation level" and the ASEAN Football Federation which organises the AFF Women's Championship is not at confederation level, it is a smaller organisation within the Asian Football Confederation which is probably why Australia send U20s and Japan U23s. Domdeparis (talk) 13:48, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: whether she meets NFOOTY or not is in the end irrelevant: NFOOTY is an indication that players are likely to meet the GNG. If you want to keep this article, provide the evidence that she actually has enough significant, indepth, non-routine coverage about herself to be considered wiki-notable. Fram (talk) 21:52, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds to me like an irrelevant argument when there are male players who've played just 2 minutes at the end of dead-rubber matches and are considered notable. --SuperJew (talk) 12:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Want to talk about balance? How about the fact that any male player who plays 2 minutes at the end of a dead-rubber match in the top level league in most countries is notable, while a female player who plays even 500 matches in the top level league of most countries isn't notable on that basis alone, but has to show satisfaction of a broader notability guideline? --SuperJew (talk) 12:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Part of a vandalism spree by a large collection of sockpuppet accounts. Acroterion (talk) 12:45, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stray Animal Belt[edit]

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A quick look at a Google News search indicates that the subject is probably not notable. J947 04:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No evidence of notability, via significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, has been presented during this discussion. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:30, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Brandy Talore[edit]

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A BLP that lacks reliable secondary sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. Significant RS coverage not found; sources used in the article are interviews, industry publicity materials, and directory listings. The award listed is not significant and well known, thus failing WP:PORNBIO.

The most recent AfD (2015) closed as no consensus; I believe it's a good time to revisit. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:21, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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References

  1. ^ "Sponsors of the 2006 FAME Awards". Web.archive.org. 2014-10-16. Archived from the original on October 16, 2014. Retrieved 2015-08-20.
  2. ^ Steve Javors (2007-06-16). "F.A.M.E. Awards Receives Milestone Vote". XBIZ. Retrieved 2007-06-24.
  3. ^ a b "About the 2006 FAME Awards". Archived from the original on December 25, 2010. Retrieved 2015-08-20.[dead link]
  4. ^ "About the 2008 F.A.M.E. Awards". thefameawards.com. Archived from the original on 16 October 2014. Retrieved 21 August 2015.
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The comparison to the "People's Choice" awards is spurious; the awardgivers made the comparison on a promotional page, and even though that may have been picked up on a few unreliable pages, it cannot be an indication of significance, or even of notability. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 16:12, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regarding the number of career films, here is the link you gave me before.  The title of the section was "Invalid criteria".  The top of the page states "This page documents an English Wikipedia notability criteria." and "This page's designation as a policy or guideline is disputed or under discussion."  The words "notability criteria" are wikilinked to Category:Wikipedia_notability_criterias.  According to Wiktionary, the word "criterias" is "non-standard" and "proscribed".  So first of all I don't think we should put much weight on deprecated "criterias", much less from a disputed guideline.  For the rest, I repost the statement I made before.

    Thanks for providing the link, because it allows looking at the quality of the argument.  "Number of films (e.g., 'any actor with X films is notable'). Pornographic films can be made in a few days, thus performers can appear in dozens of films per year."  This is an argument based on production of films, rather than what Wikipedia cares about, which is attention given to the topic.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:15, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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The point is that there's absolutely nothing wrong with using an awarding organization's website as a citation for who won which award, period end of story. Guy1890 (talk) 01:20, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And no one said there was, which is why there was no point to your bringing it up. But if an award in principally reported on the awardgiver's site, or on sites associated with the awardgiver, it's very, very hard to make a case that the award is well-known or significant. Exclamation point. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 02:24, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's sheer & utter nonsense...what you continually try to do at AfD with just about every, single, solitary adult film award organization is to imply that absolutely none of them are "well-known and significant industry awards", but that's neither new nor relevant here. These tired, old arguments have been previously made & rejected by the community as it relates to this specific award organization in question here. Guy1890 (talk) 07:23, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Guy, that you have to resort to an uncivil personal attack underscores the bankruptcy of your argument. You are plainly wrong. The AFD you cite determined that the FAME award was notable. Being notable is a far lower standard than the "well-known and significant" requirement in the governing SNG. The argument that winning a "notable" award is sufficient to meet the PORNBIO SNG (or, for that matter, ANYBIO) has been rejected over and over and over and over. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 12:05, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, most of the keep votes argue that the award was significant and thus the PORNBIO is met. That it was indeed significant is a matter of some debate. However, the award alone, per outcomes of recent AfDs, have not been sufficient justification to keep the article. Please see: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2016_October_9#Vanessa_Veracruz, where the matter was reviewed and the article subsequently deleted. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:17, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We've already basically heard your own personal opinion on the award that's relevant to this AfD (which is obviously different than the award in question in the Vanessa Veracruz discussions)...it's the same no matter which adult industry award is in play in any AfD related to this genre. Guy1890 (talk) 05:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Consensus is that the available sources don't cover the subject in enough depth to satisfy the notability requirements. Hut 8.5 21:52, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Institute for Social Policy and Understanding[edit]

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I believe the reason given in the removed PROD is valid: "No references except its own web site. No evidence of notability. Promotional posting." Doesn't seem to meet notability guidelines. 331dot (talk) 17:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot: The organization comports to standards of notability for organizations and companies as its research has been cited in reliable, independent, third-party sources:
"An independent source is a source that has no vested interest in a given Wikipedia topic and therefore is commonly expected to cover the topic from a disinterested perspective. Independent sources have editorial independence (advertisers do not dictate content) and no conflicts of interest (there is no potential for personal, financial, or political gain to be made from the existence of the publication)."
These sources include mainstream news media,[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] which are considered "reliable sources", and thus comport to Wikipedia's standards of establishing notability beyond "trivial sources." Depth of coverage standards are also met as the organization has been referenced in "multiple independent sources." Finelinebilly (talk) 17:33, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/us/a-peaceful-muslim-majority-in-the-us-tarred-by-acts-of-a-few.html
  2. ^ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/since-911-muslim-society-in-the-us-has-been-transformed-trump-could-change-it-back/2017/02/09/3f75d060-eca9-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html
  3. ^ http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-silicon-valley-immigration-20170128-story.html
  4. ^ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/muslim-americans-respond-to-a-caustic-campaign-by-raising-money-and-mobilizing/
  5. ^ http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/10/31/michigans-muslims-can-stop-trump/93099778/
  6. ^ http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2015/12/08/mich-residents-trumps-muslim-ban-just-america/76966322/
  7. ^ https://www.abqjournal.com/947080/us-muslims-defense-the-constitution.html
  8. ^ http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Immigrant-families-ensnared-by-Trump-order-10892568.php
  9. ^ http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2017/01/university-charlottesville-community-celebrate-mlk
  10. ^ http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/ct-tech-trump-immigration-order-20170128-story.html
  11. ^ https://www.buzzfeed.com/talalansari/two-new-anti-sharia-bills
I've reviewed the sources given here and on the article talk page, and from what I see they tend to just name-drop this organization's name, or maybe quote a representative of it, without saying how this organization is notable as an organization. If they have conduced accepted research and/or studies, that's not clear from the sources I have seen. 331dot (talk) 17:38, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: Here are some select quotations from the independent, third party, reliable sources that cite the organization's research and studies:
"The Institute of Social Policy and Understanding, a research group that studies various aspects of Muslim American life, found that at least 128 anti-Sharia law or anti-foreign law bills have been introduced since 2011."(Buzzfeed News)
"Surveys by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding and the Pew Research Center suggest that the attitudes of United States Muslims about country and community are similar to those of adherents of other religions." (New York Times)
"As a result, according to one poll taken in January of 2016, Muslim support for Clinton is higher than among any other religious group measured. The poll, taken by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a research group focusing on American Muslims, showed that 40 percent of Muslims supported Clinton, compared to 30 percent of Jews and 13 percent of Catholics and Protestants."Five Thirty Eight
"According to the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a think tank that focuses on the American Muslim community, the number of Muslims registered to vote lags behind other faith traditions as well as the general population." (Chicago Tribune)
"The event — Islamophobia: Politics, Priorities and Prejudice in 2016 — was organized by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, a nonprofit founded in 2002 that conducts research aimed at empowering American Muslims to increase community involvement and participation in democracy in the United States." (Michigan Daily) Finelinebilly (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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@Thes0ciologist: All that does is explain what the organization is, without saying why it is notable as an organization. 331dot (talk) 16:32, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: The notability criteria are met because the institute has conducted research that has been cited by multiple, independent sources. See notability for organizations and companies Thes0ciologist (talk)
@Thes0ciologist: Any organization or individual can conduct research, but that doesn't tell us why this organization is an authority on this subject. Is their research independently peer-reviewed? 331dot (talk) 16:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: This is a very different question, I think you are moving the goal post now. Do you agree that we have established that the organization is notable, per Wikipedia's standards? Thes0ciologist (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2017 (UTC)— Thes0ciologist (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
My position remains unchanged. I haven't said anything different than I told the other supporter above. 331dot (talk) 16:58, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Finelinebilly: You are conflating two different things. What is needed are multiple independent sources that each discuss this in depth; multiple sources does not itself equal in depth coverage. 331dot (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: Once again, notability guidelines state as follows: "If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple[2] independent sources should be cited to establish notability."Finelinebilly (talk) 17:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)— Finelinebilly (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
@Finelinebilly: Now you are cherry-picking. The rest of that paragraph is "Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability.". The coverage cited here is all trivial; it provides no context as to why this organization's opinions or studies carry any weight. As ValarianB stated above, no sources have been offered that discuss this organization itself in depth. I appreciate this discussion, but I think it unlikely either one of us will change the other's mind, so I will most likely have little to add after this. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do Not Delete Wait... Before posting the above comment, I probably should have looked a little more. Just a little more looking into the organization, and it seems its notability can not be doubted. Just a google search for "site:cnn.com Institute for Social Policy and Understanding" turns up an extraordinary number of articles that expressly source this organization's research, or that are penned for CNN by fellows of the organization. That alone probably makes it more notable than countless articles and stubs that remain in Wiki. A similar search for "site:nytimes.com Institute for Social Policy and Understanding" shows literally thousands of pages on the New York Times site that reference this organization in one way or another. Notable, for sure! Does not an article like this-->(https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/20/us/a-peaceful-muslim-majority-in-the-us-tarred-by-acts-of-a-few.html?_r=0), which sites the organization alongside Brookings Institution and Pew Research Center, strongly suggest notability? I haven't got the time to look through hundreds of such articles, but I think just a cursory search lays the debate on notability to rest.
The article's references section is actually too long to be reasonable for an article with little content, and that's almost certainly because someone is trying to establish notability. The overload of references are there to stop deletion. After we reach on consensus on this (Do Not Delete!), most of the references could go, or they could go to the talk page quite soon and take them out of the public eye if they aren't referenced in the body of the article.
Notable, for sure. If it was too promotional in some earlier version of the page, it doesn't seem so right now. It's just too stubby. It needs more content, with an objective, non-opinionated phrasing. Anyway, that's all about editing, not deletion. I can't see any strong reason to delete this. zadignose (talk) 14:39, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Zadignose: No one disputes that there are lots of name-drops of this organization, but there needs to be more in depth coverage, as I state in prior posts(and won't take up space repeating). 331dot (talk) 14:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would add that sources written by "fellows of the organization" would not be an independent reliable source. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The most notable thing for a research organization is to have its research routinely cited by major media outlets, and this organization has that in spades. It would be nice to find a more informative profile of the organization somewhere, from a third-party, but I don't think it's necessary. With sources such as Fox News repeatedly "noting" and citing the organization, with brief descriptions such as "a collaboration of scholars in the field of Islamic studies who served as advisors to the poll...", this is a notable organization. The quoted section of the guideline on notability, "If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple[2] independent sources should be cited to establish notability" is relevant. It's included for cases like this where we're not going with just one or two brief mentions. E.g., if the only thing notable about a guy named Karl Schmidt was that he was mentioned in one article about a tornado, and the only thing stated was "Farmer Karl Schmidt witnessed the incident from his back porch," then that wouldn't establish notability. Here, it seems to me, the dilemma isn't notability, but just the difficulty of building a more substantial article without fluff.zadignose (talk) 01:26, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This organization's research being cited doesn't mean much unless we know why it's being cited. What makes this organization an authority on the subjects that it researches? 331dot (talk) 03:38, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on a repeated tangential issue In re: "What makes this organization an authority on the subjects that it researches?" This is not relevant. We don't have to certify the organization. Even if the organization had no expertise or authority, even if everything they said was certifiable bunk, that would not impact on the question of notability, and it would not be grounds for article deletion. It's not for us to judge whether all major media outlets should rely on a particular organization's research. The fact that they do routinely credit the organization makes it notable.zadignose (talk) 02:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You are certainly free to see it as unimportant; I disagree. It goes to notability. Any group can publicize its research or get its name dropped in the media. That doesn't mean the group itself has in depth coverage or that it is notable. I realize we won't see eye to eye on this, and I appreciate the conversation. 331dot (talk) 03:00, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The "multiple independent sources...to establish notability" clause is to be read as "several independent sources are needed that on their own each may give just a small piece of unique information, but when combined can result in something more substantial than a permastub". That is not the case here though, seeing as the same short definition is repeated over and over again in the presented sources. --HyperGaruda (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. For now. Sources are indeed available, as listed on the article's talk. If the article's condition does not improve and a strong case for deletion can be made, it can always be renominated. (non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 00:49, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Phonaesthetics[edit]

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Fails WP:DICDEF. Little to no significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources. Existing coverage consists essentially of simple definitions of the term with limited examples. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:22, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 00:50, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

AB Custos[edit]

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Company ceased to exist in 2006,[44] I am unable to find any reference that would merit significance. — kashmiri TALK 02:09, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:24, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday Inn Resort Goa[edit]

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WP:MILL hotel. Nothing substantial from independent sources, just booking sites. Article is written in a promotional non-encyclopedic tone Ajf773 (talk) 04:23, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete all. Kurykh (talk) 04:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Solo Darling[edit]

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Non-notable professional wrestler who hasn't competed in a major promotion (WWE, TNA, ROH, AAA, NJPW, Dragon Gate etc. etc.) and shows no evidence of passing WP:GNG. Only sources are Facebook, Twitter and Cagematch bio. JTtheOG (talk) 06:18, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian Tourism Journalist Association[edit]

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Fails GNG. One non-RS source and a second RS source. An additional check for information about this organization finds only a couple mentions in passing, but no substantive articles on the organization itself. DarjeelingTea (talk) 19:46, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Starcore[edit]

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This article fails WP:N. 50504F (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This proposal was made by a sock of the blocked user Fmadd 86.186.169.144 (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. See WP:SOFTDELETE. Kurykh (talk) 04:28, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Rising Phoenix World Championships[edit]

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Non-notable sports competition. Violates WP:Sports event (parent article was Prod'ed). Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 16:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC) Also nominating the following article for the same reasons:[reply]

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It's the highest professional female bodybuilding competition on the planet. It's not "non-notable". AHC300 (talk) 05:14, 14 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:29, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Whispers of Life[edit]

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Delete. Article about a short film, where the only claim of notability is winning an award at film festival which is not large or prominent enough to constitute an automatic notability claim. It would certainly be enough if the article were sourced properly, but of the five sources here one is the film's own self-published website, one is IMDb and three are non-notable and unreliable WP:BLOGS. A film, short or long, gets a Wikipedia article when it's the subject of reliable source coverage in real media that supports an WP:NFILM pass -- but if the strongest evidence of media attention you can show is Homorazzi and Vancitybuzz, that's simply not good enough. Bearcat (talk) 15:14, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:56, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Highest Grossing Telugu Films (Actors)[edit]

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per WP:PROMOTIONAL and WP:NOT. Seems to be developed on the lines of List of highest-grossing Telugu films. βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ) 04:11, 13 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:31, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edison Photos[edit]

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Shelved movie. Article was made before filming commenced, violating WP:NYF. Also filming never started as the project was dropped Jupitus Smart 14:15, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nigeria Teens Chef Hunt[edit]

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Non-notable TV show. Cannot find any sources for the show. Article created by "first winner." reddogsix (talk) 17:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Veronica Thorsell[edit]

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A search turned up YouTube, IMDb and some social networks, but nothing which looked to me like a WP:RS. No independent coverage, fails WP:BIO. Narky Blert (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Webster (ice hockey)[edit]

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Appears to fail WP:GNG by only WP:ROUTINE sources. Won a minor leadership award in the OHL but no preeminent honors to qualify for WP:NHOCKEY criterion #4. Yosemiter (talk) 19:30, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Undisclosed paid editing NeilN talk to me 04:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Friedhoff[edit]

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The only coverage of the subject in reliable sources that I can find is in this Forbes piece. That's not really got much detail about him (as opposed to the drug being researched) and with only a single piece of coverage, WP:BIO is some way from being met. SmartSE (talk) 21:19, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tyler Parsons[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG with only a few WP:ROUTINE sources. Very young, so WP:TOOSOON applies. Has played for the U17 USA National Team, but still fails WP:NHOCKEY as he has never played for the senior national team (criterion #6). Yosemiter (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was SNOW Withdrawn (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 23:28, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bar Keepers Friend[edit]

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:PRODUCT. This article is simply an advert complete with product comparisons and usage instructions. The only coverage I could find were advertisements and happy homemaker/life hack type articles. If there were an article on SerVass Labratories, its manufacturer, this could be redirected. Jbh Talk 02:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Addendum: Another source below. North America1000 18:38, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Only one of those are what could be considered significant coverage as is reqired by GNG;
  1. IBJ Bar Keepers Friend parent lands new headquarters normal course of business announcement
  2. Huffington Post How To Remove Scratches From Dishes: Bar Keepers Friend Product placement this is not an article with reporting as such/Mostly a reprint of Lifehacker blog entry [55].
  3. Old Home Journal "Its a great old product. A scouring powder that really works..." Advert/passing mention.
  4. Times Union - a blog titled Removing soap scum from shower doors – 4 methods and a winner!! - really?
  5. Homebrewers handbook "Bar Keepers Friend is a general cleaning agent that works particularly well on stainless steel..." Passing mention/product use instructions
None of these actually talk about the product and all of them, as well as the many similar articles, simply say it is a good cleaner, maybe mention some ingredients, and say what it can be used for. The Allbusiness article, on the other hand, does have some in depth coverage - it is the one good article mentioned in the previous AfD - however it is insufficient on its own to get this past WP:PRODUCT or WP:GNG. Jbh Talk 03:41, 28 February 2017 (UTC) Last edited: 04:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC) [reply]
I would just add that, to my eye, "Allbusiness" (which is really lifted from "Indiana Business Journal") is actually the single worst reference here. There's no way that shlock can be considered neutral, as companies pay to be listed on the site, and presumably in the previous print incarnation. WP:GNG states that "sources need editorial integrity". No byline, no criticism, no ref. I mean, right???184.145.42.19 (talk) 04:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Indiana Business Magazine seems to have been legit "Indiana Business magazine is published by Indianapolis-based Curtis Publishing Inc., which continues to produce the Saturday Evening Post. Curtis also published various state business guides, directories and community-profile magazines." [56] Do you have any evidence it was a "pay-to-play" PR shop or otherwise not independent? Jbh Talk 04:40, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose I'll dig for some. In the meantime, I'd point you back at your own quote. "...business guides, directories and community-profile newspapers." I've worked for such a company here in Ottawa on two separate occasions, delivering flyers, phone books, the "Auto Trader", etc. What they produce is not "news" by any stretch. Also, in that vein, media consolidation has largely forced any firm with a printing press to run anything through in hopes of making a buck. Oh, it may also be of interest that the editor in 1994 was Cory SerVaas. In case that seems like a coincidence (in spite of the uncommon name), Cory was preceded in the job by (wait for it...) Beurt SerVaas! I'd say that's a bit conflict-y, no?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saturday_Evening_Post#Editors 184.145.42.19 (talk) 05:10, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not finding anything to reinforce my direct allegation, but I believe my last point above puts the nail in the coffin of that particular ref. We cannot assume editorial integrity of a magazine that says wonderful things about a consumer product, when they're both produced by the same owners! That shouldn't even be controversial.184.145.42.19 (talk) 06:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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https://books.google.com/books?lr=&id=dOS38515sg4C&dq=%22bar+keepers+friend%22&q=Ber+Keepers+Friend#v=onepage&q=Bar%20Keepers%20Friend&f=false “Mary Ellen’s Guide to Good Enough Housekeeping” by Mary Ellen Pinkham and Dale Burg Macmillan, 2002, ISBN 0-312-28567-1

https://books.google.com/books?lr=&id=nkyrOr_jpEEC&dq=%22bar+keepers+friend%22&q=Bar+Keepers+Friend#v=snippet&q=Bar%20Keepers%20Friend&f=false“2,001 Amazing Cleaning Secrets” by Jeff Bredenberg Readers Digest Association, 2004 ISBN 0-7621-0489-9

Suppose that Wikipedia decides to have an article about a product. When you Google for the product name, you will find some articles that talk about how to use the product, maybe even some sites offering to *sell* the product. Neither of these would argue against us having an article. The 300,000 Google hits (including reliable sources, and many sites not affiliated with the manufacturer) appear sufficient to indicate this is a respectable cleaning product that is widely used, even when you ignore every sales site. See also ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Cleaning products. This turns out to be a large category with many individual products such as Ajax cleanser and Comet (cleanser). See also Cleaning agent, List of cleaning agents and 20 Mule Team Borax. EdJohnston (talk) 03:48, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
None of that, however, is significant coverage per GNG. In Mary Ellen's Guide to Good Enough Housekeeping a dozen passing mentions do not add up to significant coverage. The other book you link, 2001 Amazing Cleaning Secrets has no preview available. Does it have significant coverage or is it just more uses for the product? As to the rest WP:OTHERSTUFF. Jbh Talk 03:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the Bredenberg link for '2001 Amazing Cleaning Secrets' and it should now open to show you the hits. EdJohnston (talk) 04:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I only see three mentions. One that is a 'how to use', one which just mentions its name and an index entry. Am I missing something? Jbh Talk 05:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You would expect a notable cleaning product to be mentioned favorably in books about cleaning, assuming there is no corporate connection or hint of advertising. (Unclear how a cleaning product could achieve any other type of fame). On page 44 Bredenberg treats this product as the equivalent of Comet (cleanser) for a particular task. EdJohnston (talk) 05:16, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In reading other articles in the list provided by NA1k, it seems there are many ways. Advertising, controversies, mergers and acquisitions resulting in disparate use of names in different markets, etc. Wikipedia notability has nothing to do with how a cleaner is used, or how well it works.184.145.42.19 (talk) 06:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
They sell other products too. I don't see why they'd be particularly biased. Nfitz (talk) 06:15, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You not seeing a thing /= a ref being kosher. A Home Depot store manager, recommended a product Home Depot does sell, not one they don't. This is not rocket surgery.184.145.42.19 (talk) 06:28, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I still think WP:GNG has been met, and this is a keep. Nfitz (talk) 06:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You already voted "Keep". Do you think saying it more often will make your argument stronger?184.145.42.19 (talk) 07:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you have to respond to everything? Do you think if you get the last word against everyone who disagrees with you, it will make your argument stronger? Nfitz (talk) 07:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you've adequately understood my question. What I'm asking is how you merge a namespace with a list. As you seem to have the world by the arse, feel free to grace me with your acumen.184.145.42.19 (talk) 06:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your question. I simply was surprised that all those articles exist, and am even more confused why anyone thinks that this one should be any different. Fix the article, fine - it clearly has issues. But delete it? I don't see any reason to be rude - it's your tendency to do so, that gets you into trouble. Nfitz (talk) 06:15, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, you really didn't. First off, I said everything on that list has an article. Why would you yell my own assertion back at me? Secondly, "Good grief" is not politeness. If you find the word "arse" to be offensive in a context where it didn't refer to you, that's your issue. I use all the words in the OED, buddy. Now, what was that about rudeness???184.145.42.19 (talk) 06:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm starting to realise why you keep getting banned. You've got a major attitude problem! Nfitz (talk) 06:49, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the place for your mudslinging, OK? If you want to keep pushing the ad hominem button, have the courtesy to do it on my talk page, or yours, or anywhere else. You're being ridiculous.184.145.42.19 (talk) 07:02, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm being ridiculous? You took offence at "good grief". How is that possibly anything, anyone would ever take offence at? It was merely an interjection of surprise. No, this isn't the place for mudslinging - but I'm surprised one would start slinging mud, and then say that. Nfitz (talk) 07:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was referring to your sarcastic comment about their reappearance 5 years later. It's pretty easy to see from their edit history that they regularly contribute to AFD discussions, and that they were going through new AFDs just now. Not surprisingly, they recognized the product name, and edited. Is it possible that you are not that familiar with this product, because it is primarily an American product, and you don't live in the USA? I must admit it's not common here in Ontario - though not entirely unheard of. Nfitz (talk) 07:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
An editor's previous opinions on an article are relevant, or else they wouldn't be posted here. US products are advertised on TV...which we in Ontario get piped in from Detroit, Buffalo or Rochester. I've heard of Zud, which is equally (un)popular here. Nevertheless, my position to delete is based on the same internet they get down there, or that you do. It's a trash article, whose only purpose is to let people know that a cleaner exists. Well, the SerVaas family owns newspapers or whatever, so they don't need free advertising! Now, unless you have more ad hominem insults, I think you've made whatever contribution to this debate that you can. Bye.184.145.42.19 (talk) 07:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There's some Zud under my sink. The article has issues - no one disagrees with that. This debate isn't about whether the article has issues - issues can be fixed. This debate is about whether the article should exist. They are two almost entirely unrelated issues. You act like the product is unusual. However for "bar keepers friend" one gets over 300,000 hits. That's not a rare product. Nfitz (talk) 07:13, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A thing being common /= a thing being notable. I'm not acting like anything. How do you not know this after 11 years on here???184.145.42.19 (talk) 07:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Why again the rudeness? Why the straw men? I'm simply trying to understand your strong objection to this article in particular, compared to similar equivalent products, such as Vim, Comet, or Ajax. Nfitz (talk) 08:05, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that the article could be stronger, but I disagree that it is merely and advertisement. The comparisons with other products and statements as to its value are there to establish notability for the subject, not to advertise it. The factual information is not, so far as I can tell, in dispute, so as to whether or not the validity of an industry mag as a reference is made "suspicious" by having as the editor the son of an industrial manufacturer is largely irrelevant in my book, mainly due to the plentitude of other references. Industrial participation does tend to run in families, and that does not inherently make their behavior unethical. As to whether or not iconic is a weasel-word, I can understand that assertion, but I personally find that term fairly apt. This is a product that has stood the test of time with, so far as I can tell, very little alteration, while commonly being recommended by word of mouth. Word of mouth is how I found out about it, and its effectiveness is why I was surprised there wasn't an article about it, so I created one. The tendency to nominate articles for deletion mostly because the subjects don't *seem* important to you is one of the significant activities that discourages diversity among our editors, and in my mind, negatively impacts the effectiveness of Wikipedia as a general reference, both by decreasing the range of its content and by contributing to our poor reputation, as a very political place where female and minority perspectives tend to get deleted by young white men who have the leisure time to be relentlessly insulting to everyone who disagrees with them. I think this cleaning product is notable enough in and of itself to have an article, and that serves the interests of readers like me who do most of the household cleaning for our families. To delete it seems arbitrary and whimsical and not the rigorous enforcement of policy the nominator seems to think his actions embody. Netmouse (talk) 11:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • No, Zud is not similar in composition, it is much simpler and cruder. It is also prone to scratching glass, as it uses silica and pumice as abrasives, unlike Barkeeper's Friend which uses a softer feldspar. Barkeeper's Friend also contains a surfactant, which Zud doesn't, so doesn't need additional soaps or detergent in use. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:26, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "I agree with" simply means that I'm citing the same reasons as they did, so, yes, it is a valid reason to keep. You, on the other hand, have been warned on AN/I about WP:BLUDGEON, so you need to stop responding to every !vote posted here before some admin sees your behavior as being disruptive and blocks you for it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yet I am positive that we do not have a notability criterion that says trivial mentions somehow 'stack' and that we do address this issue in WP:GHITS specificly as an arguement to avoid. Jbh Talk 18:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the record, that essay means absolutely nothing to me as it tends to dismiss arguments that I believe are valid. Lepricavark (talk) 20:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"I'm fairly certain..." /= "reliable source". There are 633k results for "toenail art"...you gonna go write the article now? 184.145.42.19 (talk) 21:39, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, because the topic doesn't interest me. Also, I'm not obligated to write anything. This is a volunteer website. I'm giving my time and receiving no compensation for it. So drop your condescending attitude. Lepricavark (talk) 21:50, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I don't know if you can call me a "major" contributor. I did revert one of your edits, and earlier I excised some promotional content. My main interest is in creating an article on "Zud," a similar product, but alas there is a paucity of sourcing. Why cleaning powders don't interest The New York Times is beyond me. Coretheapple (talk) 17:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I've withdrawn the AfD but FFS if something is obviously notable should it not be trivially easy to come up with a couple of independent reliable sources that provide significant in depth coverage that demonstrate that notability? That is, after all, why we differentiate between WP:N and the dictionary definition of notable. Jbh Talk 19:12, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I could be wrong, but I think the fact that there is one "delete" !vote (the 184 IP) disqualifies the AfD from being withdrawn by the nominator. If all the !votes were "keep" you could withdraw it, because there would then be no "delete" votes, and the net result would be to keep the article. As I said, I might have that wrong, but that's my understanding. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:54, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I did have the idea it'd make a great DYK. EEng 02:40, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This thread is destined for the Off-Topic Hall of Fame. EEng 04:48, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a barnstar for that? Or perhaps a statuette fashioned from steel wool? Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITSUSEFULL, EEng. I guess I've never seen, or looked for, steel wool in the hardware store. So, BMK, you travel the country to buy Brillo pads? That's exciting. I'm still interested in Maile66's response; they're an administrator and so they should be good at cleaning things. Drmies (talk) 19:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, generally when I work outside of NYC, I go shopping to buy food, because if I ate out every night, I wouldn't have any salary left. I can't recall ever buying Brillo (or SOS, or steel wool, for that matter) when I'm out of town. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:25, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I find no road trip is complete without a stop at one of the better retail establishments for some steel wool. I find the No. 000 especially... soothing. Great for exfoliating. EEng 02:56, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Barkeeper's Friend (and Zud) are unusual in that they contain oxalic acid. This is uncommonly good at removing inorganic mineral staining from metals (i.e. water stain, rust), and commonly good at removing staining from non-metals. It's the convenient version of the old trick for cleaning a metal pan (canonically aluminium) by boiling up rhubarb or rhubarb leaves in it. It's also one of those products where you think, "If they hadn't been making that for a hundred years, they'd never get to make it new today". Certainly I wear gloves around it. There are health-nut life-hack web sites out there saying, "Don't get ripped off by Big Cleaner, just use bulk oxalic acid instead." This is stupid advice, it removes the abrasive from these cleaners, 100% oxalic acid is also not a household chemical to have just hanging around. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 19:03, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kanyakumari congress committee[edit]

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Not notable and no verifiable sources. An offshoot if Indian National Congress. βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ) 18:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:34, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Neal Blair[edit]

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The sources do not provide the indepth coverage asked by GNG. Instead they provide passing, one line mentions that are not enough to meet that requirement. John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Glenn Rawson[edit]

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As the creator of this article I hate to do this, but I have come to better understand what is needed to pass the general notability guidelines. The sources are all either not fully indepdent or only provide passing mentions. Rawson is an educator, public speaker, and media personality, but not at a level that makes him notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:50, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 00:51, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Rigby[edit]

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The sources tend to be more PR releases than news articles, and nothing shows that Rigby is actually a notable businessman. John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Meets WP:GNG with articles like this and this. Please do your WP:BEFORE work before nominating. Rikster2 (talk) 00:22, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:36, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reality Factory[edit]

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Could not find evidence of secondary coverage, fails WP:GNG WP:NSOFTWARE. MereTechnicality ⚙ 02:21, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:37, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rodica Silvia Stan[edit]

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Seems like a pretty run-of-the-mill academic to me. No independent sources, no indication of WP:PROF being met. - Biruitorul Talk 02:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Steven Blush[edit]

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Notability not established. Fails WP:AUTHOR, does not cite any reliable sources. Boomer VialHolla! We gonna ball 23:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yash talk stalk 00:54, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie Nawgu[edit]

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This is an interesting topic-area that I would want to keep. But I'm afraid I am unconvinced that the references that exist demonstrates that it meets our notability guidelines for persons. StellaDimokoKorkus.com and many other sources that speaks about him aren't reliable sources. Most of the other references in the article are centered on Bakassi Boys, not Eddy. The Academia paper looks promising but I'm not sure its sufficient. If significant coverage can't be found, I suggest the article is merged with Bakassi Boys, since this was one of their many popular cases or its Deleted. Darreg (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Now, if the issue or problem some persons may have concerning this article is subjects significance or notability then the 11th refrence provided duly covers that area accurately.
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@Midnightblueowl: Can you please provide us with the "various Nigerian news articles" you speak of? The few reliable sources in the article do not discuss the subject independently and in detail. The sources are centered around the Bakassi Boys, with the subject receiving trivial mentions. One reliable reviewed journal is not enough to establish notability.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 20:42, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Versace1608: an article not conforming to all the rules of wp:gng does not necessarily translate to its exclusion from Wikipedia. This article even conforms to all the criteria, it has reliable sources , it is independent of subject , it has been used as case study for a project by non-Nigerians what else do we really need to establish notability of subject? Article is properly written by me and has suffient references, I believe article should Stand alone. Please let us work together and Close up the information gap, information should be accessible to all Celestina007 (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The additional reasoning I'd offer to my Keep (which makes it a Strong Keep for me), is that I believe we cannot expect the same numbers of academic and other references for an article on Nigerian history than, for say, Western European or United States history. This is not a reflection on Wikipedia, but unfortunately a much deeper structural issue around the nature and reach of academic and other publishing; we must acknowledge that this continues to be primarily centered around Europe and North America. So even as I have sympathy for - and give thanks to - all Wikipedian patrollers who make sure that articles are to a reliable, verifiable standard, I think we must understand the broader dynamics at play.
It seems to me that while the article could do with some additional work, the main editor has, in all good faith, done their best to conform to Wikipedia rules, and to establish notability as best they can. It is now up to us to recognise that this _is an article that deserves to be on enWP, because of its significance in the Nigerian canon. As a reminder to us all, Nigeria has a population of over 190 million, making it the 7th most populated country in the world. We should be encouraging more articles about and from Nigeria, while supporting editors to conform to enWP standards. thanks, Anasuyas (talk) 22:11, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Which of the criteria in ANYBIO does he fulfill? Domdeparis (talk) 17:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:40, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Zaga[edit]

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Searches did not turn up enough to show they pass WP:GNG, and they do not pass WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 TT me 23:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. See WP:SOFTDELETE. Kurykh (talk) 04:41, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fear of the Dark (2001 film)[edit]

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Fails WP:NFILM. No claim of notability, no sources other than youtube and forums Rogermx (talk) 22:31, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Kurykh (talk) 04:41, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ZK_(framework)[edit]

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Advertisement, no notable news references Ziphit (talk) 03:23, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Beedi Naataka[edit]

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If the updated infobox is to be believed (and there are no references), this is an unreleased film, and unreleased films seldom satisfy film notability, and there is nothing in this mess to indicate that this is one of the exceptions. This article at present, and in previous versions, is an unsalvageable mess. A Google search doesn't turn up anything that would allow the article to be salvaged, let alone to establish notability. If it were notable, it would need to be blown up and started over. Partly not in English. Cast listing consists only of mononyms. Text is a hodge-podge. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Miechucińskie[edit]

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Meaningless dab page. NO place can possibly be called by this word: it is a plural form of an adjective. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:20, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:53, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hank Campbell[edit]

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I can't find any independent, reliable secondary sources covering Campbell in any significant way. The guy is the president of the notable advocacy group American Council on Science and Health and has a self-published website (science20.com) on the side. He wrote a book, writes opinion pieces for newspapers, and appears on cable news from time to time. However I can't find anything significant written about him by others. I believe all of the cited sources were written by Campbell himself, or by his organization. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 00:36, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, based on published work and news appearances, but article needs work to more concretely demonstrate notability.RudyLucius (talk) 19:54, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How do we concrete demonstrate notability as you suggest if there are no reliable, independent secondary sources with substantial coverage of Campbell? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:26, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hatting a completely unsubstantiated personal attack on another editor. "Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence" are impermissible personal attacks. Neutralitytalk 20:44, 7 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This looks more agenda-based than anything. I looked at the argument Dr. Fleischman made and his other edits and it seems more like a grievance with an organization subject joined after creating science 2.0, which has been around since 2006. If an editor removes someone from existence on a page, and suddenly that is the reason to delete an entire entry, it looks like an incredible coincidence. Also, looking through the edits history on the wp science 2.0 page he was removed at around the time he joined a new group which Dr. Fleischman also seems to now want banned. I created this page and various others in science media and entertainment, that's why i got the email about it. Perfectommy (talk) 00:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I don't follow, but this sort of unsubstantiated COI accusation seems inappropriate for an AfD. I suggest this content be collapsed. If Perfectommy really wants to press the issue then, as my user page suggests I welcome them to discuss it with me on my user talk or take it to WP:COIN. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 00:58, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please also warn Dr. Fleischman about personal attacks as well, since he began his criticism of the article that way. At this point, his conduct is so conspiratorial the wp community has no way to know if this warning was not generated by him. Perfectommy (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • J947, please look more closely. You only counted the ones that had the words "by Hank Campbell" in them. The remaining sources are by him but do not say "by Hank Campbell," or they are by his co-workers at the ACSH, or they are published on his science20.com website, or they are otherwise unreliable, or they do not include significant coverage about him. If you can find a single source that meets our criteria then I would very much appreciate it. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:22, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Can't find any so I've changed my !vote. J947 00:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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