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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 22:56, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Missoni Baia[edit]

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An article on an under-construction apartment building, neither WP:GEOFEAT nor WP:GNG is met. power~enwiki (π, ν) 23:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. – Joe (talk) 22:56, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Probasco[edit]

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There doesn't appear to be significant coverage in reliable sources. --Michael WhiteT·C 23:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm open to merging some or all of it to the article Henry Probasco House. (That said, on looking at it again, the German article implies much more can be said of him.)--T. Anthony (talk) 23:43, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Historically notable figure in Cincinnati and Ohio. There is a lot of historical information about the man and likely much more can be found. In just a short time I found historical information: Cincinnati.com, Cincinnatimagazine.com, Beardbarons.com, 1899 auction of items belonging to Henry Probasco, and one from the University of Cincinnati library. The Newberry Library in Cincinnati houses a large collection of Arabic and Turkish Manuscripts that came from the collections belonging to Henry Probasco. Otr500 (talk) 07:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. – Joe (talk) 22:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew G. C. Sage[edit]

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Only substantive coverage from a RS is from Barbarians at the Gate: The Fall of RJR Nabisco. Other RS coverage is fleeting and thus does not establish notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:16, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 00:52, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Behzad Qasemi[edit]

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Non-notable hacker/programmer. Doesn't meet WP:BIO or GNG. Vermont (talk) 22:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 00:51, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Stylianos Atteshlis[edit]

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Tagged as being unsourced for six years, and still unsourced. My own searching only turned up non-WP:RS sources. Not included in this nomination, but linked for reference, is Draft:Researchers of Truth. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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As per R Roy Smith's comment on Thursday24 May 2018 regarding the researchers of truth sandbox submission and suggested edits on I have added WP:RS cites and links on the Stylianos Atteshlis page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stylianos_Atteshlis for your consideration as requested. These are references to Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis (aka Daskalos) on the Oprah.com web site and in Oprah Winfrey's O Magazine and the Common Ground Magazine included below

Spiritual Energy article about Daskalos (Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis) by Mark Matousek in the July 2003 issue of Oprah Winfrey's O magazine. This past issue is not online but is on http://www.researchersoftruth.org/daskalos_researchers_of_truth_system-htm/written-accounts in its entirety including the magazine's cover showing the name of the article (Spiritual Energy) on the cover.

How to Radiate Positive Energy: Spiritual Energy article Daskalos (Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis) on Oprah.com see http://www.oprah.com/spirit/how-to-radiate-positive-energy-spiritual-energy

The Teaching Common Ground Magazine article about Daskalos (Dr. Stylianos Atteshlis) by Mark Matousek see http://www.commongroundmag.com/back-issues.html This artice is also located at http://www.researchersoftruth.org/the-teaching

A Cyprus newspaper article on his obituary OBITUARY The Cyprus Weekly, September 1 – 7, 1995 is reproduced here * OBITUARY The Cyprus Weekly, September 1 – 7, 1995


Are these 3rd party source citations, Please do not delete this article

Let me know if you need anything else

thank you for your consideration

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Attack of Life: The Bang Tango Movie[edit]

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I dug through all the references (there are plenty) and nearly all of them point to unreliable blogs. The one exception is to an LA Weekly write up where the subject (this documentary) is mentioned in passing, exactly once and the article is quite obvious;y not about about the movie, making it not in-depth coverage. For these reasons, and with my preliminary news search, this seems to fall short of WP:FILM. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 21:33, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have added more references. Hopefully this will help. Thatguy1987 (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 22:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bel'ange Epako[edit]

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Non-notable footballer who fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY --BlameRuiner (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:51, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Frances Kai-Hwa Wang[edit]

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Notability concerns. The references here don't suggest GNG is met, and on Google search I merely find articles she has written. Based on the longer bio at her website, I don't believe either WP:NAUTHOR or WP:NPROF is met. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:17, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Subject has over 50 awards, distinctions and is a published reporter with NBC. Notability includes: Michigan Historical Society State History Award for Best Article in Michigan History Magazine, "Vincent Chin: A Catalyst for the Asian-American Civil Rights Movement," 2017, Education Writers Assn. National Seminar fellowship, "A New Era for Education and the Press," Washington DC, 2017, Education Writers Association and Poynter fellowship, “Separate -- And Still Unequal,” Poynter, 2017, Columbia Univ Grad School of Journalism Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma Midwest Reporting Institute fellowship on Gun Violence, 2017, Education Writers Association fellowship,Univ of Penn School of Education, 2017, Michigan State University Asian Pacific American Heritage Month Keynote Speaker, 2016, Asian Pacific American Medical Students Association (APAMSA) Conf. Keynote Speaker, 2016, Clague Middle School Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day Keynote Speaker, 2016, University of Michigan Law School Korematsu Day speaker, 2017, 2016, 2014, Association of Opinion Journalists (AOJ) and Poynter Institute Minority Writers Seminar Fellowship, 2015, National Association of Science Writers Diversity Fellowship, 2015, University of Michigan A/PIA High School Conference Keynote Speaker, 2013, Purdue ImaginAsian Identity and Experience in Contemporary Asian Pacific America Art Exhibition, “The Dinner Party,” prose poetry and multimedia artwork, Purdue, Indiana; also Conf. Keynote Speaker; 2010, New America Media Ethnic Media Expo & Awards Fellowship, Atlanta, 2009. and Nominated for Michigan Governor's Advisory Council on Asian Pacific American Affairs, 2009 and distinctions that go back to 1988/1991, although her most serious recognition began around 2006. Strongly feel WP:NAUTHOR or WP:NPROF is met. Thaoworra (talk) 02:20, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@G.scaringi: One this page was first created (full of copyright issues) and again when it was nominated here I spent some time exploring notability. Others might find more/different things than I did but I did make a good faith search. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Billboard Year-End Adult Pop Songs of 1996[edit]

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per WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. There are no independent sources cited on this article, and even if they exist, this is excessive data with no clear encyclopedic value. Articles have been created for every year from 1996 to 2017 on this topic. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I have added the other articles for deletion per the nomination below this note. Polyamorph (talk) 10:51, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. I shall apply the Wikipedia:Snowball clause; the nominator obviously has this very wrong and their talk page is littered with notices that show a problem with understanding notability. Schwede66 09:45, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

John Moorfield[edit]

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Is this article really important? SB Shuvo 20:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding? Have you read WP:NOTABILITY? John Moorfield was a professor of Māori language. He created the Māori–English dictionary. The page has been reviewed by Snickers2686 (talk · contribs) - ask them. Tayste (edits) 20:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy Keep - Clearly passes WP:NACADEMIC both from 1, The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline and 2, The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level. The page is getting built so I'm sure more will be added soon but no reason for the deletion. NZFC(talk) 21:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per WP:NACADEMIC point 1, as given by NZFC above. Not sure if the QSO is sufficient for point 2.-gadfium 23:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to RuPaul's Drag Race (season 10). (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Blair St. Clair[edit]

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There is lots of coverage of St. Clair in RS however it all relates to their participation on RuPaul's Drag Race. Article makes claims to notability for WP:ENT and WP:MUSICBIO. Miss Gay Indiana does not seem to qualify for ANYBIO. Seems to clearly not meet MUSICBIO. Think the best case can be made for WP:ENT but given overlap of coverage with Drag Race, is currently WP:1E and so should redirect to season 10 of the show. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:27, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. copyvio from http://www.greenfrsh.com/vegetables-for-kids/RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:38, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fruit and vegetables for children[edit]

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Article is basically a how-to guide about childhood nutrition. I'm not sure what kind of encyclopedic content would fit the title "fruit and vegetables for children". Plantdrew (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC) Plantdrew (talk) 19:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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some lettuce?Quek157 (talk) 15:55, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep.there are so many lists which momentarily caused confusion. Carbon can be in many forms, diamond,buckminsterfullerene or graphite. under the onslaught of many graphite lists, inadvertly I mistakenly nominated this diamond(standard article) SKCRIT#1. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Quek157 (talk) 11:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of English football transfers summer 2018[edit]

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WP:LISTCRUFT/WP:FANCRUFT/OR/SYNTH/LISTN. Yet another per preceedence of all Quek157 (talk) 18:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 22:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Philips Entertaible[edit]

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This does not appear to meet the General Notability Guideline as all coverage I can find appears to be based on press releases. I've not actually been able to find any evidence that this product ever passed the prototype stage, therefore there can be no sustained coverage of it that isn't based on its announcement at 2006's Consumer Electronics Show. Exemplo347 (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I'm seeing the same lack of sources but I did find a publisher paper based on the technology for ACM Symposium on User Interface Software and Technology. The technology looks interesting and it seems like something that was ahead of its time along with board games (or even tablets?). Maybe if not an article, this could be incorporated into a similar article? – TheGridExe (talk) 18:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I saw that paper and immediately discarded it because it was written by Philips staff. Exemplo347 (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but it still didn't seem like it was written for a marketing perspective. The paper discloses from the start that the people writing it are part of Philips. The paper also has its own sources at the end as well. – TheGridExe (talk) 00:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that it's not an independent source, so it doesn't meet Wikipedia's GNG requirement. Exemplo347 (talk) 18:39, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
One can argue that scientific papers have some level of oversight from the editor which makes them sort-of, kind-of independent, even if not fully. But that argument is extremely weak in the case of conference papers (even for reputable and selective conferences, the editor will review the appropriateness of the paper, but not request changes to it, so oversight is minimal). TigraanClick here to contact me 11:54, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's understandable then. I will be ok with a delete per nom. – TheGridExe (talk) 13:47, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to List of Sliders characters. A Traintalk 08:57, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quinn Mallory[edit]

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Also including the other Sliders cast articles:

These are, virtually without exception, crufty articles created many years ago when we were rather less strict about referencing. There are no references in any of these articles, and all are written in a very in-universe way. — 🦊 07:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:11, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Azerbaijan football transfers summer 2018[edit]

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Do we really need this??? Not much references, WP:LISTCRUFT/WP:FANCRUFT/SYNTH or whatsoever. Per preceedence of all the transfer lists Quek157 (talk) 18:33, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Replace with Warpstone (magazine). And merge content from history as may be deemed appropriate. Sandstein 08:51, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Warpstone[edit]

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Purely fancruft description of a fictional material, no indication that it is independently notable or passes WP:GNG. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:07, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

John Whitbeck[edit]

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Runs afoul of both WP:GNG and WP:V. Of the sources cited:

  1. Trivial mention per WP:SIGCOV. The subject is mentioned twice in a 240 page book, and in both instances occupies no more than a passing mention.
  2. Can't tell what this. Possibly some sort of Who's Who.
  3. Published by the subject
  4. Published by the subject
  5. Doesn't exist? A google search returns only this article
  6. Doesn't exist? A google search returns only this article
  7. Published by the subject
  8. Doesn't exist? A google search returns only this article
  9. Published by the subject
  10. Dead link to some sort of case law page, not a real source as anyone with legal issues would have public court documents
  11. Amazon link
  12. Dead link to a domain that doesn't exist
  13. Dead link to a domain that doesn't exist

So, in summary, the subject does not appear to be notable and the statements made in this article are not verifiable. AlexEng(TALK) 18:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 15:04, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sirius Minnesota[edit]

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Non-notable local rec bandy team that fails to meet WP:GNG. DJSasso (talk) 11:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 00:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Senthil Nathan[edit]

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This was already deleted once at AfD. Recreated and tagged CSD, the A7 was declined because the article makes claims of notability. However, the sources are all either primary, promotional, or simple faculty listings. WP:BEFORE shows the only in-depth article about him to be the current Wikipedia one - and we are not WP:RS. The actual claims to notability are not substantiated. Not to be confused with many other people of the same name. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Details of Nathan's involvement in the project from book by John Wickham: [4] ff, though unfortunately Google Books is missing a key page, and [5],[6] original research articles, again not free, which suggest Nathan might publish as "MS Nathan". Another book ref [7] which also backs up the Tomorrow's World appearance; also [8],[9],[10],[11]. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:17, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Greetings. Let's examine your sources, Espresso Addict. The articles you cite only mention the subject in passing, their main focus being various medical issues and robotics: in the very long article in the Journal of Military and Veterans' Health, his name is mentioned only once; in the Indy article, "Nathan" comes up twice; the Googled-text citations lead nowhere, as you also acknowledge (one misses the page where subject is meant to appear, and the other two are works by "M.S. Nathan). Even if we accept that it's "our" Nathan who's the author, the mere existence of an author's own work does not mean anything at all in terms of his own notability. We need third-party, independent sources showing independent notability.
Onwards: the book 21st-Century Miracle Medicine only mentions Nathan as the "surgeon in charge" during a robot-performed surgery. The book Surgical Treatment of Colorectal Cancer mentions Nathan only once, in its timeline of "Robotic Colorectal Surgery Worldwide"; same goes for the book Biomechanics and Robotics and the articles "Surgical Robotics" and "Improving Lives with Electronics", i.e. only one mention in each text, in passing. Conclusion : We simply have no sources.
Here's what I see. Nathan has done something in the past that is described in various texts time and again, though only briefly and in passing, as important, i.e. he performed or supervised the "first pure robotic surgery". But we still lack substantial citations from the medical world or the world in general about the person. Me, I could not find much. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 09:45, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 22:41, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Elastic.io[edit]

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This appears to be a thinly veiled advertisement for a non-notable business. Of the sources, only one talks about the company in any real detail and that seems to be on a dubious website hosting lots of similar marketing churn. Among other sourcing problems is repeating the same one in german and English, and repeating the link in a footnote in the external links to make it look like the article has more sources than it really does. I cannot find anything substantial either. Reyk YO! 07:30, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 00:49, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The 3rd Storee[edit]

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I PROD'ded this album with the rationale: >>Album was unreleased; per the WP criteria for albums at WP:NALBUM, 'Unreleased material... is only notable if it has significant independent coverage in reliable sources.' This album has not received reliable media notice in its own right; while for the single If Ever has its own article with sources.<< The article's creator removed the PROD with the comment: >>There is an entire [Category:Unreleased albums]; in addition, the two singles charted.<< That is an insufficient other stuff exists argument that does not provide evidence on notability for this album (or the others in the category, for that matter). The truth is that this unreleased album has achieved no significant coverage as an entity in its own right. The only evidence points to the single which already has its own article as a notable song. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 14:56, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Allmusic isn't significant coverage? Erpert blah, blah, blah... 17:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to be a review of the album, but how is that possible when the album was never released? If it were a true review of the album it would discuss songs other than the two that are already known as single releases. Use that info to develop and expand the song articles elsewhere in WP. Otherwise AllMusic is usually significant, but here all they did was vaguely name-drop an album that doesn't exist. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Conceptually, an AllMusic review would generally help with notability. But the WP:GNG requires significant coverage from multiple sources that cover the subject in significant detail. AllMusic would only be 1 source, and its pretty short, so I think you'd be hard pressed to call it significant. This is a rather bizarre situation - an unreleased album with multiple singles charted. I've never heard of it, but I want to look some before I !vote delete. It could have gotten coverage for being such a bizarre situation. Sergecross73 msg me 18:06, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the singles were intended to be advance releases to promote the album, then the album would come out later with two songs that were already hits. But then the album itself was never released. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 01:37, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Market Sweep[edit]

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This is not a notable event. 2 of the references are dead links. This was one day in the longest war the US has been involved. Not notable for people involved. Not notable for casualties or results Speditup (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've advanced what may, possibly, be a better deletion nomination below.Icewhiz (talk) 12:52, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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*Speedy keep based on the nomination. (Also, length of the war has no difference on notability of specific battles or events within it.) WP:NOTNOTABLE is not a reason. – TheGridExe (talk) 18:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep per WP:SNOW, this is clearly notable, --Quek157 (talk) 20:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The length of the war is of course irrelevant. However event notability is the primary nom argument. The keep !votes are currently just that - votes. Arguments (or just a good citation or two) need to be raised Nosebagbear (talk) 21:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Added comments: whole book on it as well as webpage as well as another book. pretty on first page of google search. WP:BEFORE easily cover it. --Quek157 (talk) 21:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Now further SNOW, this is a SPA account nominating it. The only purpose is to nominate this AFD --Quek157 (talk) 21:42, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Quek157: - first source has as its first summary line "High Quality Content by WIKIPEDIA articles!". Therefore, it can't act as a recursive source to itself! Second book mentions the operation twice - but that's it. It's the most minimal of MENTIONs, so it doesn't qualify either. The webpage is an American military newspaper and so is going to be a fairly imbalanced source - it wouldn't count as sufficiently neutral. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:56, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
okay, first source out, but clearly notable. An American military newspaper but this is under NATO operation so secondary coverage. Anyway,fishy SPA, reported at AIV--Quek157 (talk) 22:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nom would appear to be a SPA, given a flawless submission as only action, so a checkuser is probably worthwhile. However - "obviously notable" still isn't a legitimate justification. Functional sources that actually satisfy source requirements for WP:GNG are needed! Nosebagbear (talk) 22:01, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Dear, all the sources in the page and my 2 added sources will be enough already. That's WP:GNG. --Quek157 (talk) 22:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I just explained why those given sources weren't appropriate. Regarding the sources in the article: 2 are dead links, and didn't come up when I sought them. Freeing Fallujah is a non-neutral blog, Global Security is also a non-neutral news source (more like an industry source), "Among Warriors in Iraq" is the writer's own actions. That said, that wouldn't necessarily rule the source out, but verifying any actual (more than) mention of the operation would be pleasant. The source quality, whether here or in article, is poor Nosebagbear (talk) 22:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why I am being accused of being a SPA. I'm new to editing wikipedia and trying to figure things out. Anyway, this is not a notable event. Anyone who has been in the military will tell you the same. There was more than one Operation Market Sweep. Even the entry itself claims, "nothing on such a small scale could net more than a handful of dealers and weapons" There was even an Operation Market Sweep in Baghdad which produced little according to Stripes. [12] --Speditup (talk) 21:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Plus you are a Single Purpose Account is because your only contribution is to AFD this. If you can contribute to other area before here, it will not be called a SPA. I don't know whether you are a sock or not - that 1 person using multiple account, that need someone called checkuser to confirm (just replying to edit summary of the above editor - why put there where here is better) --Quek157 (talk) 23:11, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteNo opinion after all the above. not snow , i will say it is WP:ROTM coverage and unclear what the operation is. the sources are main primary ones, without secondary sources that cover in depth. Confusing accounts. Likely to be several market sweeps or rather it's market sweeping but not as an operation kind. is an operation by troops to sweep markets not Operation Market Garden. I am convinced by above nominator points. --Quek157 (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per revised nom by Icewhiz. – TheGridExe (talk) 16:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Besides, nobody really dies in comics anyway... I'm not userfying articles, but somebody at WP:REFUND might. Sandstein 19:40, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of deceased American comic book characters[edit]

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It's never a good sign when a list comprises entirely in-universe events, cited solely to the works of fiction in which they appear. This survived AFD twice (2013, 2006), but our inclusion standards have tightened considerably since then.

The last AFD closed no consensus, in part because of arguments that "removal from publication with death being the cited as the cause" was a WP:LISTN-compliant inclusion criterion. Of course, when cited to the primary source, it is not. Nor does that even consider the half-page of somewhat contradictory inclusion criteria referenced on the Talk page in an effort to keep this list vaguely under control. It's also not a valid WP:SPINOUT from comic book death because, in that sense, it's largely indiscriminate.

It's possible, in a thought-experiment sense, to imagine a properly sourced, legitimate spinout list, indexing actually notable examples of the trope in the comic medium. At its most generous, that's a call to blow it up and start over, because in over a decade, that's not the direction this content has evolved. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:52, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 01:43, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strange Prison[edit]

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No evidence of notability. Slatersteven (talk) 17:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Hard to argue with the reliability of the references. Otr500 (talk) 03:35, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 22:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CompNation[edit]

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Fails to pass GNG. Zigzig20s (talk) 15:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. request of editor, to see if it can be improved. If not, I will relist. DGG ( talk ) 03:22, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ale Resnik[edit]

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Not yet notable,and the awards prove it. "...under35" or "..Young ... Leader" implies that the person is still considered a beginner. That makes sense, because his major contribution has been to start a company that failed in less than 3 years.. DGG ( talk ) 15:20, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. (non-admin closure) ~ Winged BladesGodric 00:43, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Gambetta[edit]

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The only sources that mention Gambetta are primary (IBM and APS). WP:GNG and WP:NPROF call for discussion in secondary sources. Waggie (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This long discussion has a couple of mentions about this article. StrayBolt (talk) 23:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Turns out he is now an IBM Fellow[1] Which IBM calls "289 Fellows colleagues from the past 55 years as some of the most creative engineers, scientists and designers IBM — and the world — has known." That passes WP:ANYBIO #1 Legacypac (talk) 00:37, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 22:31, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

West Virginia Explorer[edit]

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Not seeing any real notability. Slatersteven (talk) 15:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per WP:A7, WP:G12. SoWhy 15:42, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Engr. (Mrs) Mary Emiola A.[edit]

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Not seeing any notability. Slatersteven (talk) 15:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:04, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Naija news[edit]

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Non-notable media lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of nicknames used by Donald Trump. Sandstein 19:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pocahontas (nickname)[edit]

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Looks like we need an AfD to kill this article, otherwise it will be resurrected again and again. Is really everything related to Donald Trump which was once fixed in media notable? Are we looking forward to articles on Trump's sink or a favorite suit? Shoud we have an article on every Trump's tweet? Ymblanter (talk) 13:39, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Striking the Delete part of my !vote so as to retain the attribution history. Vadder (talk) 17:34, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Socialist system[edit]

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In response to not being allowed to completely overwrite socialist state with their POV that only Marxist-Leninist states can be described as socialist, a user who is now indeffed created this essay. While deliberately WP:POINTy, this essay effectively duplicates the topic we already cover at communist state. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:26, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 18:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pina Conti[edit]

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Poorly sourced article since its creation over 10 years ago. Searches turned up virtually zero in-depth coverage so she does not meet WP:GNG. Neither does she pass WP:ENTERTAINER or WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 TT me 11:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:04, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

H. David Archibald[edit]

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Biography of a person notable only as founder and executive director of an organization that does not have an article, referenced only to an obituary on legacy.com. This is not a notability-conferring source in and of itself, however, as it simply aggregates every paid inclusion death notice published in any participating newspaper, regardless of notability or lack thereof, and founding a non-notable organization is not an "inherent" notability freebie that automatically exempts a person from having to be referenced much better than this. Bearcat (talk) 01:18, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Getting named to the Order of Canada is not an automatic inclusion freebie that exempts a person from having to clear WP:GNG. It counts as a notability claim if, and only if, the person can be shown as the subject of enough media coverage to pass GNG for whatever it was they did to earn that distinction — but the presence of an OC after his name is not an automatic inclusion freebie that exempts him from ever having to be referenced much, much better than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:08, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why it wouldn't at least be a trigger to slow down, and put up any amount of templates encouraging expansion, sourcing, etc. The first instinct should not be delete. -- Zanimum (talk) 23:56, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Howzabout maybe I already did a WP:BEFORE check to see if I could find enough quality sourcing to salvage it? What's been added since the nomination is not coverage about him, but coverage which quotes him speaking in articles about something other than him — which is not notability-building sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 16:52, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant. It's still the paid-inclusion "every single person who died at all, regardless of their notability or lack thereof" section in the Toronto Star classifieds, so it is not a notability-assisting source just because it's in the Toronto Star. If the Toronto Star had assigned a journalist to write a news story about his death, that would count for something (but still not for enough all by itself as the article's only source), but the strictly WP:ROUTINE paid-inclusion death notice in the classifieds counts for nothing. Bearcat (talk) 16:08, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On the matter of the 'organization not having an article', it has a section in an article --> Centre_for_Addiction_and_Mental_Health#Addiction Research Foundation. I've updated the article accordingly. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:14, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 20:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Quartzy[edit]

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A directory-like listing for an unremarkable private company. Significant RS coverage not found. What comes is passing mentions, WP:SPIP, and routine funding news. Created by Special:Contributions/Encomiast3 with no other contributions outside this topic. Does not meet WP:NCORP / WP:CORPDEPTH.

The first AfD discussion closed as "no consensus" in 2013. NCORP has been tightened since then, so it's a good time to revisit. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:16, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Speedster (fiction). Sandstein 20:02, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speed Force[edit]

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Comic book fancruft that is entirely in-universe and sourced entirely to the comics. More suitable for DC Wikia than Wikipedia. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. A Traintalk 19:55, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fastball Special[edit]

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Wikipedia isn't TVTropes and the previous AfD for this article was laughable. This is a non notable fighting move that is largely just filled with example cruft. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:35, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect.to the stable, Nomination withdrawn per reasons below, I sincerely recommend the author to try to expand articles or to submit them as drafts to AFC for peer editing and more help(non-admin closure) Quek157 (talk) 12:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sunnybrook Stable Fire[edit]

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not news, one event. fails gng Quek157 (talk) 11:13, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will just say this is just news and WP:NOTNEWS will not allow inclusion. There is no point to keep the information anyway. I am always trying to do WP:ATD but this is a no. WP:N and WP:NOT must be together. Anyone searching for the stable will see the stable and by itself, the stable is weak in sourcing and this one event will not make the page better. I can even propose a deletion on that page based on WP:ROTM. --Quek157 (talk) 12:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since I seen author has added the same info there, no need for merger at all, will withdrawl this nomination and do it as redirect. To article creator, it is always good to expand on new articles, rather than doing such an article which is clearly one event. We don't allow people with only one event through, much less a stable, see WP:ROUTINE and WP:BIO1E. This is the best I can do as to WP:ATD Thanks --Quek157 (talk) 12:27, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. A Traintalk 19:53, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

X2vnc[edit]

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This software does not appear notable. The article has been sourced only to its own homepage for around a decade, and is written as a how-to guide for the most part. I can find no substantial coverage in reliable, independent sources. Reyk YO! 11:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Powers and abilities of Superman[edit]

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Comic book WP:FANCRUFT that is more fit for DC Wikia than Wikipedia. Predominantly referenced to the comics themselves besides some minor links. The Superman article already describes this information in a more succinct and encyclopedic manner. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:52, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Done some small bits, The Ages of Superman: Essays on the Man of Steel in Changing Times looks like a good source for expanding and tweaking. Hiding T 15:21, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lede is supposed to be a verbatim copy of what is in the Superman article. This suggests you are unfamiliar with practise on Wikipedia and are not following the debate, see the previously mentioned summary style guidance. Hiding T 08:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What I'm really getting at is that beyond the lead, there is no quality content sourced with independent, non-primary sources. If the lead as copied verbatim is short enough to fit in the relevant article (as it currently is), there is no need for a split. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 13:43, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 19:48, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dave McIntyre[edit]

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Advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician, who has no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and no strong reliable source coverage to carry it. Apart from a couple of pieces in his own local hometown pennysaver and an article in The Globe and Mail which is about Dave's father, and is thus irrelevant to the notability of Dave because it isn't about him, this is otherwise "referenced" entirely to social media posts, online music stores and PR blogs rather than reliable source coverage. The sourcing here simply isn't cutting it at all, and the article says nothing about him that's "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have much more reliable source coverage than this. There's a likely conflict of interest here, as the article was created by an WP:SPA named "Maplesyrupketchup" and has since been edited by another SPA named "Dave1010100" — but as always, Wikipedia is not a free public relations venue for aspiring future notables to promote themselves. Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and salt Sarahj2107 (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yuri Botnari conductor[edit]

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It would appear to me the assertions made in this article simply do not correspond to what can be be verified.

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 18:16, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

City Centre Patna[edit]

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As per the RERA regulation act we have to remove the data regarding the project [2] [3] [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beegeeroy91 (talkcontribs) 10:07, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 19:49, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of streets in Crawley and Nedlands[edit]

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WP:LISTCRUFT and Wikipedia is not a directory. Unsourced OR fails GNG and LISTN ,/INDISCRIMINATE Quek157 (talk) 09:56, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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In response to below. There are multiple hits in TROVE describing many streets in Perth, their naming and significance. I found these without trying hard. So yes, I respectfully suggest that there is sufficient WP:NEXIST to support WP:GNG for this article, potentially even in some cases the individual streets in their own right. This AfD NOM possibly demonstrates a lack of WP:BEFORE. Aoziwe (talk) 14:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
strong opposeI don't see why I need to give that kind of allowance, here is not afc , draft space or what, if you are in mainspace we had to apply mainspace rules. I am saying I want an opinion on whether it is notable or not, no use userify or draftify when it isn't notable. your argument is essentially why other stuff exists. just as how recently we had a list of non American place that have an american place named after it and now the Canadian version is up and debated extensively. no way procedural close and 2 hours, actually it's 20 mins allowance, is only for A7. my first article was taken to A7 in just 3 minutes FYI. This is AFD and author have 7 days min, up to 28 if 4 relists to polish up article. Quek157 (talk) 13:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am saddened to read about your first article. A similar thing happened to me but it survived. "..why I need to give that kind of allowance..", because unless the article is blatant POV or copyright or PROMO or bad BLP, etc., then it would be good to not treat other editors the same way as how you believe you were treated. Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 14:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
this is Afd not csd, the author is not that new and will be given time to improve, in order not to bite I didn't use csd can we have policy based discussion please?Quek157 (talk) 15:00, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
streets are but is the concept of a list notable? I didn't do before, see my Afd record pleaseQuek157 (talk) 15:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC) (moved some comments to the correct place for discussion to flow, see diffs for details --Quek157 (talk) 18:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC))[reply]
I would fully support sending to draft or sandbox. Aoziwe (talk) 10:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

:@Graeme Bartlett:, I am fully in support of this but given how bad the conversation above is, and with deletion votes here, we can't do it anymore as it had been to AFD. I don't mind relisting this 4 times to get the article up to shape or closing this as a no consensus default to keep but now we can't do anything already. However, given that draftspace is too much backlog + this user since they can straight bring this to mainspace and if the consensus was that it isn't notable / not directory, we cannot allow it back to AFC where I am afraid that they will just resubmit and clog the log. I will suggest delete with userification (to userspace but after a delete close - then we can G4 if such substandard article came up again) as the best solution. Main framework can be preserved, will not clog up draft space, will never enter into mainspace in such state, when appropriate (like when wikipedian in residence did this up), then resubmit to mainspace. And now 2 days still there is no work on this article. This is clearly A7 met. I hope you get what I am coming from. Alternate ATD can be redirect to the main city first (with the redirect can be resurrected if needed with just an undo).--Quek157 (talk) 13:48, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep a close look at the related lists shows that this part of an exercise to collaborate information available from the Museum of Perth, in Perth, Western Australia (note not just 'Australia' there are more than one...) - the major project is to compile lists of streets in various parts of Perth, Western Australia. The creators of these lists are new editors (note, less than 100 edits) and are yet to find the under construction, or hangon variety tags to try keep the afd hungry at bay. Speculation and the rest is better left alone at this point. JarrahTree 14:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I know that the creator is unable to defend or even explain the method by which the process of construction of the list entails, and being possibly away from the computer for possibly another 4 days or so, with WP:AGF some of comments above show a lack of understanding of the least that should be expected is for an under construction tag to be respected and understood.JarrahTree 14:42, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To make it crystal clear I did not tag for AFD with the underconstruction tag, it was added after this AFD started, page history don't lie. 1st edit and the page is started and after 1.5 hours I tagged for AFD, what tag is there??? --Quek157 (talk) 16:49, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:For those who wants draftify keep or whatsoever, do see this highly related Afd Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_non-Canadian_places_that_have_a_Canadian_place_named_after_them and what are the arguments will count or not. Final take AFD is not war zone. --Quek157 (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
fundamentally different subjects the Toodyaypedia stage 3 were not closely related subjects but individual articles who's inclusion was defined by a non-notable arbitrary process purely for maintenance purposes. Gnangarra 04:46, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Road naming in WA is subject to Land Administration Act 1997, Land Information Authority Regulations 2007, Australian Standard AS/NZS 4819:2011 they are also subject various other piece of legislation. Its an important part of Urban planning and a major feature of cartography. Add to that each name is subject to various additional regulations from Emergency service acts and Indigenous culture and heritage acts, each name goes through 7 different consultation processes. It is a very encyclopaedic topic as explained previously because it reflects many differing aspects of a community as it develops over time, a list article is a way to bring all of these elements into one place. Gnangarra 12:40, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A decision falling under lots of pieces of legislation is not remotely an argument for it being encyclopedic: by that logic, every suburban house is notable since lots of acts applied to their construction. If all you can find about a street is that it exists or if you're very lucky where its name came from, it just isn't notable and any claims of reflecting "many differing aspects of a community" are just hyperbolic. Perhaps, as I think Mitch suggested on one of the talk pages, one overarching article might be able to fulfill that role in an encyclopedic way, assuming sources for that in fact exist. None of these suburban street lists actually pass notability guidelines beyond demonstrating that these streets exist and have names: the sources to demonstrate notability simply don't exist. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:16, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
... as I think Mitch suggested on one of the talk pages ... - here. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
some of the streets could be linked to the article about the subjects of the relevant origin of the relevant name — I've been doing that, admittedly ad hoc, on this and similar articles. Examples: [18][19][20][21]. I'm sure I or someone else will finish the job at some point. Mitch Ames (talk) 01:34, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since people are still arguing for a keep without any good arguments, I will put forth one more, forget about sourcing, even sourced properly all the roads and information, it will be a SYNTH. Still cannot escape delete. Delete this, userify to an editor with good standing (but there aren't much information) if needed. --Quek157 (talk) 18:49, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Surely adding a street directory (one that includes suburb boundaries),and/or Landgate Map Viewer, as a reference would negate any claim of SYNTH. Mitch Ames (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you're reliant on a street directory as a source, I would say this mounts an incredibly strong argument for non-notability. There are millions of streets around the world, which is why no one to my knowledge has ever before tried to argue inherent notability for them: why are streets in this handful of suburbs uniquely notable because a couple of editors are personally interested in them? The sourcing certainly isn't any superior to any other average batch of streets in any suburb anywhere else in the world. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:16, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was not suggesting that a street directory was evidence of notability (my post makes no claim as to notability); I was pointing out that a list of streets in a suburb is not synthesis, because there are reliable sources that provide that information without having to "reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources". Mitch Ames (talk) 03:03, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is not merely a list of street names, it covers when they were built, how they were named, if they have ever had a name change, plus other aspects like change in alignment, closures, creation of pedestrian malls, why behind the names. Its not a synth as each street is within a clearly defined subset related to notable topics each is verifiable through multiple sources together they form level of knowledge that s creates an understanding of the subject as a whole. Gnangarra 04:46, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How is when a random suburban street was built and what it was named after notable enough for an article? Average suburban streets rarely (never) change alignment, get turned into pedestrial malls, get closed, or anything other than exist, which is why these suburban articles flounder so much more than the CBD ones. Beyond that, it mightn't be a case of WP:SYNTH, but it's definitely a seething mess of WP:OR: the very first one has five different editorial theories about the naming of a road, the only source-of-sorts being an archival document. Even the reference list that is there is highly questionable: for instance, this 1933 ad to sell a house being used to reference that the street is in its suburb seems just designed to make the list of newspaper sources look longer. The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:33, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What you're doing is advocating the deletion of an article that hasn't even been created. This is not an article about an individual street. It's a list of streets in a group of notable suburbs. In any case, according to Wikipedia:Notability (highways)#Australia, "There is [sic] no absolute rules for notability that are adhered to for Australian roads." You could liken this list to a list of international centuries scored by a notable cricketer (eg a cricketer who has played in at least one test match). Lots of such lists have been created in Wikipedia, and some of them are even featured lists (eg List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar). Why should a list of streets in a notable suburb be treated any differently if the information in the list is derived from reliable sources? Bahnfrend (talk) 16:03, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The quote you are quoting is from a page tagged with "It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints." --Quek157 (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, I was advocating the deletion of this article, because a list of non-notable streets in a random suburban area is inherently non-notable. The notability comparison to a list of performances of one of the most famous cricketers in history is so absurd it doesn't bother further response. The Drover's Wife (talk) 00:47, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a "random suburban area" at all, and you're not following the applicable guidelines in your comments about the list. According to WP:NOTESAL, "... One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list. The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable ..." See also WP:CSC: "... one of the functions of many lists on Wikipedia is providing an avenue for the retention of encyclopedic information that does not warrant separate articles ..." And the list is not a SYNTH either. As I have indicated above, the City of Nedlands published a history book as long ago as 1984 in which a whole appendix was devoted to a list of all of the streets in the City of Nedlands and the provision of information about the origins of all of their names (ie encyclopedic information that does not warrant separate articles). Supplementary information about those streets is also available from other sources, eg similar lists that have been published elsewhere from time to time. You might think that such information is not worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, but people who live in Perth are likely to disagree, and Perth is a big city, not a village. Bahnfrend (talk) 06:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - as Quek157 was blocked this am, I believe that the confused and somewhat odd material left here by the blocked user might need to be taken into account of any closing editor/admin.

For procedural and generally accepted practices on wikipedia, I trust other editors are able to take into account the loss of the nominator, and any relevant questions might be best served by closing this AFD and re-listing (if a new nominator so chooses.)

Otherwise the reading of the above discussion needs to be particularly considered and very carefully, so that whatever eventuates may take into account any bias towards the nominators original nomination, and subsequent conversation. Noting the now (almost disappeared) closed ANI report [22] may possibly be interpreted as regarding the blocked users understanding (or lack of it) of procedures relative to AFD and related issues. JarrahTree 06:43, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Other than one delete !vote provided with no clear explanation or reasoning, consensus is unanimous and strong to keep. (non-admin closure) Smartyllama (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Raquel Ochoa[edit]

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Subject has received one apparently non-notable award (which was named after a notable person). The link to the reference verifying this award, however, is nowhere to be found. Having publications does not make the author notable. The Portuguese article has no additional sources in it. If kept, the article should probably be trimmed down to what is known about her from reliable published sources (if any exist). A Google search shows this Wikipedia article and the Portuguese one followed by hits like Facebook and Linkedin and then Whitepages and Spokeo listings along with other people with the same name. A loose noose (talk) 08:58, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:13, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Go! (band)[edit]

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Fails WP:BAND – Lionel(talk) 08:57, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:12, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of lands at Six Flags theme parks[edit]

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Unsourced, original research and WP:FANCRUFT Ajf773 (talk) 06:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rita de Candia[edit]

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This appears to be an elaborate hoax. There was a real person named Rita de Candia, and the information about her family is correct, but I could not verify any of the other claims the article makes about her. There is no mention of her in any of the references given in the article with the exception of the first one which simply lists her birth. The claim that she was the inspiration for Sally Bowles is blatantly untrue; Bowles was in fact based on Jean Ross.

I searched for reliable sources regarding de Candia's life and found only [31], which states that she was sent to prison for indebtedness. Given the blatant factual errors in the article and the lack of reliable sources, I am inclined to believe that this article constitutes a hoax. CataracticPlanets (talk) 05:17, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The photo description says "An unknown woman in white and the naked dancer Hugo Biallowons (1879-1916) occupy the foreground." Article Godfrey Robarts Pearse doesn't provide any verifiable source, and simple google search doesn't give any useful answer. Everything this vandal writes is not an hoax, but a large part is, and the rest is often very dubious. I couldn't find a mention of Pelegrina Pastorino in the references given in her article, which doesn't mean she doesn't exist, but this is very problematic (see also the google search...); note that the 2 first pictures in Pastorino article were uploaded by a sockpuppet of Charito, and the third's origin in not verifiable.--Phso2 (talk) 17:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, this is quite interesting. If what you say turns out to be correct, then people have even more more weird ways of passing their time than what I knew so far. -The Gnome (talk) 07:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
After a bit more research, it seems to me we might be dealing with a case of narcissistic mythomania. -The Gnome (talk) 19:09, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this is probably more a psychological problem than "nasty" vandalism. Here is a little collection of some examples and ip/accounts that can give an general idea of the problem and of the pattern of contributions (by checking the global contributions, because of the cross-wiki factor).--Phso2 (talk) 20:13, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Israeli Pro Wrestling Association. A Traintalk 19:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IPWA Heavyweight Championship (Israel)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 05:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus here is that the topic is notable, even if the article needs to be cleaned up. Discussion on any name change can continue on the talk page. (non-admin closure) Smartyllama (talk) 13:12, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Criminal rock throwing[edit]

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Synthetic collection of non-encyclopedic incidents. Almost every single source in this article (maybe about 70 out of about 77) is from an everyday news incident, most with no broad or long-term analysis other than that synthesized by user E.M. Gregory. When the article says that rock throwing "could be" a felony or that someone "could serve 14 years" for it, it means that Gregory has found a local news article where someone was charged with a felony or sentenced to 14 years for it, not that it's even necessarily a specially enumerated crime in the jurisdiction mentioned.

E.M. Gregory is a longtime disruptive user in the I/P topic (see Palestinian stone throwing, the article that started it all) who really wants to make "fetch" happen, and isn't worried about pesky things like WP:OR or WP:POINT for it. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 04:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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David, got any comments, baby? -The Gnome (talk) 15:25, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Rocks thrown in combat - e.g. this Routlege book - would not be criminal (just as killing an enemy soldier, in combat, is not murder) - I could see how rock throwing (crime) could be separate from combat - but I agree it might be just for the best to cover rock throwing (or violent rock throwing? You do need to separate from Stone skipping and other forms of rock throwing not intended to do harm) in general and not just from a legal perspective.Icewhiz (talk) 15:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Steinstossen, Stone put, someone should create Tibetan stone throwing.[32]. There is indeed "such thing as friendly rock throwing or innocent rock throwing," an old-timey sport from which the title of this article needed to be differentiated. In addition to the criminal behavior of idle youth throwing rocks people driving on highways, this is an article about criminal rock throwing with political intent: in riots, at tense international borders, and by political movements (Stone pelting in Kashmir.) Dozens of articles about such events have been linked to this one. I can see moving it to rock throwing (crime), if other editors regard that as better form.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Trying to introduce athletics now into the discussion? This is getting hilarious, honestly. Funny but we never tried to introduce similar nonsense about guns, for example. Perhaps we have to make sure Wikipedia users understand the difference between firing a gun at a police officer and firing a gun as part of an Olympic event. Huge gap in Wikipedia this. -The Gnome (talk) 07:09, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Except for specifically forbidden weapons, such as poisonous gas, all else used in combat, including stone throwing is not criminal. But I won't be dragged into a discussion about legitimate use of force in war; I'd consider such mush to be a waste of time in the times we live in. As to skipping and throwing, they are entirely different practices; all their articles need is a "for/see" top hat. -The Gnome (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Criminal rock throwing" is limited to peacetime by definition. If a soldier in a regular army were to be ordered to throw rocks (editor trying to imagine the point of ordering a platoon to throw rocks at a Super Hornet,) it would not be a criminal act.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
More disingenuous arguments. In reality, throughout the history of human warfare, stones have been used in combat, and routinely too. Bring on yer ballistas, mangonels, and catapults! It's brush up time, soldier! Yes, rocks against a Hornet aircraft, I'd say no (except as a symbolic or maybe pathetic act of desperation; I have the images), but when doing siege against any of myriads of cities pre-gunpowder you sure need to throw rocks, stones, plinths, and ehven.
Now a I am curious. Those dudes who threw rocks at a Hornet, they were members of the official military of a recognized state?E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they were all elite commandos of the Eskimo state. I mean, they must've been since, as we all know, the so-called Palestinians, do not really exist. -The Gnome (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Inserting the word "criminal" in the title, as you did soon after putting the article up, is simply part of the agenda of some editors to introduce in Wikipedia a slanted view of Palestinian resistance. Or maybe their mission (old timers cannot forget this, this, etc). It's a redundant word. It only serves to take the focus away from the causes of Palestinian rock throwing and towards strictly the criminal aspect of rock throwing. We know from official history that, for example, even hunger strikes by arrested resisters have been officially labeled "terrorist acts" by Israel in the past. Perhaps, we should introduce the word "criminal" to that article too.
Or, better yet, perhaps some people need to own up and examine History a bit more critically and somberly. And learn, for instance, a few things about the honorable history of Jewish rock throwing.
In the middle of the neighborhood
The barricade stands
Nobody stays in the room
The police pass by running
Children throw stones onto the street.
That's Jewish children in Lodz in the 1920s. (See here.) Now, where's that boy David when I call 'im? Gonna whip 'is ass, when I see 'im. -The Gnome (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Please WP:AGF. As the edit record will show, I created the page a "rock throwing" and a few seconds later move it to "criminal rock throwing." This is the easiest way to create a redirect when creating an article on a topic with more than on COMMON name. You create under one name, and redirect to the name you prefer, in this case, for reasons of specificity.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:39, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? Why don't you just create the page under the most appropriate name and then create redirects as needed? Natureium (talk) 18:01, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's doubtful the contested article will be taken down. It's also doubtful, though not so much (Rod knows), that the nominator will be sanctioned. But the article will most certainly be improved, in that it'll be expanded in both scope and depth. No doubt about it. -The Gnome (talk) 07:16, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No "pranks" are covered in the article, which is about the crime of rock throwing.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:38, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. A Traintalk 19:46, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great Northern Exhibition[edit]

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Article about an annual event, not referenced well enough to clear our notability standards for annual events. The only "reference" cited here is the event's own self-published history of itself, not a reliable source that's independent of the event organizers, so the existence of the book is not a WP:GNG pass all by itself in the absence of any other sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 01:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator is assessing notability based on how Wikipedia notability works. Notability is not independent of sourceability — and it is not immaterial whether sources that establish notability are referenced in the article. An article without sources can be kept if better sources can actually be found to salvage it with, but is most certainly not exempted from ever having to have sources added to it if they can't — but I have looked, and did not find any evidence of the depth and range of sourcing it would take to get something like this into Wikipedia: it would have to pass WP:AUD, on sourceability to more than just local coverage in its own area, and I can't find any evidence of the kind of wider coverage that it takes. Bearcat (talk) 03:14, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"Notability is not independent of sourceability": that's what I said; but sourceability ≠ sources in article, and your nomination as stated was based on the latter. As for "... and it is not immaterial whether sources that establish notability are reference in the article": False. See WP:Notability#Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. Further WP:BEFORE calls for a search of one's own for sources before nominating an article for deletion for a lack of notability. If they do exist, then the editor may
  • add some to the article;
  • add appropriate maintenance tags to the article;
  • if the article is already tagged, then leave the tags there until someone does make the effort to improve the article.
Deleting the article in that case isn't appropriate. What would the deletion rationale look like? "I found sources that demonstrate notability, but they aren't in the article, so the article qualifies for deletion because I didn't have time to add them"? That wouldn't go over well.
And now you say you did do your own search. If you mean that you did that before nominating the article, then you ought to have said so in your nomination. I don't know why someone having a sound rationale for nominating an article for deletion would write up a rationale that isn't sound. The point of the nomination is to make one's case for deletion. Why make a bad case when you have a good case to make? Of course other editors are going to question an invalid rationale.
As for the remainder of your remarks to me: I wasn't arguing that this topic is notable, so I don't need to address them; they sound like you have now conducted due diligence, whether it was before your nomination or after I'd commented. Largoplazo (talk) 10:46, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It is not generally considered necessary, or even useful, for an AFD nominator to provide a complete summary of every individual step they took to determine whether the article was salvageable to outside sourcing or not — doing that would, in most cases, make the nomination statement so TLDR that nobody else would be arsed to participate at all. There have certainly been cases where it was obvious that the nominator even try, usually because they nominated a no-brainer notable like Justin Trudeau or Donald Trump — but normally, there's no value in the nominator listing every individual bit of WP:BEFORE that they actually did, and even less value in attacking the nominator for not listing all the BEFORE that they didn't have to list. Bearcat (talk) 19:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. A Traintalk 19:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Corey Hallman[edit]

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Poorly referenced article about a lacrosse player of uncertain notability. WP:NATHLETE lists no specific "automatic inclusion" criteria for lacrosse players at all, so I can only judge this against whether he clears WP:GNG or not -- but the only two references here are both primary sources published by directly affiliated teams and leagues, not reliable source coverage about him in media. And the creator's username was "Braves01", while the subject has been associated with a team called the Braves, so there was a probable conflict of interest. Bearcat (talk) 01:29, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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One local newspaper article in his team's own local media market is not enough to get him over WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 21:41, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Not the best argued AfD we've ever had but the keep arguments are ultimately insufficient for a BLP. A Traintalk 19:44, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Akash Ambani[edit]

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Why is this person notable? Norcaes (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment Hi FlyingBlueDream, thank you for joining the discussion. I'm glad we can all (so far) seem to agree that the article in its present state doesn't deserve a presence on Wikipedia. I'd like to address your points one at a time:
1. My quick Google search did not show up anything that warranted a Wikipedia page; in fact, I reached the sixth page of the search results before finding coverage (on a website called 'moneycontrol.com', which happens to be owned by Reliance, his father's company) that did not involve his and his sister's recent engagements or coverage in the context of his father, and as you know, notability is not inherited and Wikipedia is host to neither gossip nor breaking news.
2. The headline of the article in the Entrepreneur article is 'Here's What Heir to India's Richest Man Said at His Maiden Speech', which I'm not sure would convince everyone here about its validity as evidence of independent notability.
3. Since you mention the sources already in the article, it's worth pointing out that all the articles cited are in the primary context of his relation to his father, except for two articles by The Economic Times: 'Here's what made Akash Ambani fall in love with football' (which is hardly relevant) and a joint interview with his sister as senior employees of a company owned by their father. I'm not entirely sure the latter is a good source because it has indirect references to their father's wealth, their "style quotient", and the family's "private jet" but I can understand if someone else disagrees with that.
4. The link to the GQ article you mentioned features his name as part of a sublist of four, out of which two people do not seem to have warranted their own articles, therefore, I would agree that it's a valid source, but not enough to warrant an article on its own merit.
5. There's no doubt that Jio has been in the news but the question at hand is whether or not Mr. Ambani has received enough sustained coverage for non-trivial activities that warrant a Wikipedia page. Any further concrete evidence of that would be appreciated. It's important to distinguish coverage of Mr. Ambani from coverage of Jio, and I believe some of your citations mistake the latter for the former.
6. The two articles you mentioned in the context of Jio launching digital currencies both refer to a report by a website called Livemint, which fails to serve as a good source because (a) WP:CRYSTALBALL (b) WP:GNG requires a topic to have "...received significant coverage in reliable sources..." and Mr. Ambani is referred to all of once outside the context of his father within the article in question.
For the reasons above, I maintain my stand of delete. Norcaes (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment Hi Norcaes, thank you for your comments. I am happy to discuss the points made by you in relation to this article’s deletion. I have responded to the points you have made individually.
1. I believe one of the reasons why the search results seen talk about his marriage is due to the freshness of the story and the fact that this has been widely reported as both, an item of news and gossip across a multitude of platforms. Google prioritizes recent events and trending topics, which is why the results appear that way. Unlike in Wikipedia (and rightly so), breaking news and freshness of topics are key parameters based on which search engines display the results we observe. This factor I believe does in no way diminish his notability
2. I am curious as to why this article does not convince you of his notability. The entire piece talks about Akash Ambani and is an independent publication talking in detail about said individual. Moreover, the publication in question is definitely one with considerable authority and renown
3. I disagree with your premise here that the article text mainly talks about his relationship with this father as being the most pivotal note to warrant coverage on him. I simply think that’s some contextual relevance that comes up because Mukesh Ambani is India’s richest man. This is not too dissimilar to content about Amit Bhatia where you will invariably have a mention of his relationship with Lakshmi Mittal (just an example)
4. The GQ article is a detailed profile on him, covering both his work and personal aspects. It has highlighted facts right from the results achieved by the project he has had a part to play in to certain personal tastes. That being said, it is part of a wider range of online coverage received by him through the last few years. Additionally, while you mention the some individuals profiled in the same article do not have Wikipedia pages, others such as Roshni Nadar and Pirojsha Adi Godrej do
5. He absolutely has received enough coverage for non-trivial items. Because he is involved on the business side of things related to several things under the reliance umbrella, businesses and other aspects associated with the same will invariably receive some coverage in articles that talk about him. That being said, there is enough information about him or his role within the functioning of a particular entity
6. Livemint is a widely read newspaper in India and is very much a presence in the mainstream coverage of the financial markets. Hence, I disagree with your argument of having a citation that has ‘received significant coverage in reliable sources’ in this case
Apart from this, there are also places where he has received coverage, an example of this is India Today and also the cover of Hello! in the recent past. For these reasons, I do think that we should retain the page and continue to make edits so that is in much better shape than its present form. FlyingBlueDream (talk) 10:57, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Hi again, FlyingBlueDream. If I may comment on the new references, I'd like to point out that (1) the India Today article is a Top 20 list called 'The Inheritors', which makes it difficult to use as source establishing his independent notability (2) the link to 'Hello! India' isn't a link to the article itself so I can't comment on its content, since a celebrity magazine might not focus on his business career. As for your other points:
1. While I agree that recent events do receive more coverage, I don't know if we can give the topic (Mr. Ambani) the benefit of doubt here. For example, despite the Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal that's made headlines everywhere, you wouldn't have to scroll past the third result for 'Mark Zuckerberg' (let alone six pages, as in the case of Mr. Ambani) before finding an article or webpage unrelated to the event. Therefore, we can conclude that a major part of Mr. Zuckerberg's notability does not come from recent events. I don't believe the same can be said about Mr. Ambani.
2. My problem with the piece is that it covers an event (a member of India's richest family makes his first public speech) and developments in Jio's operations. It is not coverage of Mr. Ambani, he appears to be a instrument for communicating developments in Jio.
3. After re-reading the article, I'm unconvinced that his family relationships are not a primary context in the coverage, but I can understand that you may disagree. While I hadn't heard of Amit Bhatia before your example, his Wiki page has cited references to an established career in investment that preceded and was independent of his new family's business. The same can't be said for Mr. Ambani.
4. While I followed your link to the GQ article, I'm no longer sure we're looking at the same webpage. The link takes me to a short list, not a profile. Plus, the individuals you mentioned have some impressive credentials far beyond recognition in a lifestyle magazine: Ms. Nadar is 57th on a Forbes list of the most powerful women in the world, and Mr. Godrej has multiple other awards to his name, in addition to forming partnerships with the Clinton Foundation, as well as a short stint in government. I'd have to disagree with suggestions that Mr. Ambani has attained a comparable level of accomplishment.
5. "Enough information" about his role in an entity cannot be a sufficient criterion to warrant an encyclopedic article. If that were the case, Wikipedia would be filled with articles on senior employees of Fortune 500 companies.
6. I didn't mean to imply that the article was a bad source by virtue of its publisher; I believe the article itself isn't a good reference for justifying an article on Mr. Ambani because of the two reasons I mentioned previously.
I respect your suggestion to retain and improve the article, it's a productive outlook. However, I made and maintain my stance of delete because I believe that, at present, the topic does not have sufficient notability, and it is simply WP:TOOSOON to feature an article on Mr. Ambani. If he achieves sufficient independent notability in the future, we would not have lost much by deleting this article, except some tidbits on his personal life. Norcaes (talk) 13:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment Hi Norcaes, If we were to look beyond the barrage of stories that specifically talk about his recently announced engagement, there is indeed widespread notable coverage that the individual in question has received over the past few years. If a personality has received coverage for a wide number of reasons (topics), be it for being an "instrument for communicating developments in a company," or as a director of three firms or as someone who the media pays attention when he's speaking or speculating, I'm convinced (with a reinforced energy) that Mr. Ambani does warrant a page for himself on Wikipedia. Therefore, even I'm glad we can all (so far) seem to agree that the article in a refined state (with all the newly found sources) does deserve a presence on Wikipedia.
In the articles that have been brought up, I am not just referring the content by merely skimming the title. There is enough content inside (independent of Mr. Ambani - where he has been credited with building a team, redefining office culture, and spearheading an organization that is currently in the limelight. I know notability is not inherited, but after going through all these articles, I believe the sources talk about Mr. Ambani's actions as resultants for Jio and other ventures and not the other way around. There are also "multiple credible claims of significance" in both the Entrepreneur and GQ article. Don't just take these articles individually - I'm talking about combining their power to establish notability, which is where I would like to reiterate that the subject passes WP:GNG. You also brought up Mark Zuckerberg and the coverage he has on the mainstream media. I simply think that the degree of coverage is not something we can compare since these are two individuals in different geographies and have completely different roles within the business ecosystem in which they operate. Also, I do not think that comparing two individuals in terms of their notability where one has more presence across the mainstream media is grounds to render the presence of the other individual in this comparison moot.
As for the coverage, GNG states that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material" which is where I would like to disagree with you when you say that "whether or not Mr. Ambani has received enough sustained coverage for non-trivial activities". I am not mistaken; these articles also talk about Mr. Ambani's efforts. Of course, he is closely associated with Jio, so an article cannot be entirely about pomp and circumstancing a person. It has to take a blanket, journalistic approach. You might be talking about editorials, and per GNG, they are not to be trusted much.
The only reason I redirected you to those cover editions are to signify that there have been detailed interviews and feature stories of Mr. Ambani, which again, combined with all the references that we could together find, reinforces my stand for the article's sustenance. You mentioned that the GQ article is only a snippet; that's because it requires a subscription for full access. Just because an article is not freely available does not mean the content cannot be cited to establish or help in establishing a point. Nor does it impact its reliability per WP:RSC. If I were to take one point from that story, I would go back and refer to this line alone - "Ambani helped grow an initial 60-person team to a 17,000-strong workforce, achieving the goal of 100 million subscribers in just 170 days". There is no implication about his inheritance/family tie or anything about his glamourous life. WP:TOOSOON would have been the case had Mr. Ambani still been perceived as someone who is just interested in football, but the current scenario tells me that his actions (both in his personal capacity as well as a professional) are of universal interest.
Another reason for sustained and sufficient coverage is that these sources are only English publications. India being a multilingual country, its media scope is wide. In my research, I have also found sources in vernacular languages. Publications like Zeebiz, Jagran, Lokmat, ABP Live (which again are independent of the English ones above) are few such sources that have also covered him AND his company together. I'm sure you will be able to see where I'm coming from when I say and close that Mr. Ambani passes GNG and has received wide, not just sufficient, and sustained coverage ever since he has been in the business. Not to mention I don't know how WP:G11 is applicable to the article even in its current state. It, as I have argued above, passes WP:A7. I reiterate that the article should be kept and be expanded to the community's best abilities. FlyingBlueDream (talk) 16:00, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Thank you for the fruitful discussion, FlyingBlueDream. After reading your argument, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on Mr. Ambani's independent notability, but I hope our comments can help other editors make an informed decision. Have a great week. Norcaes (talk) 16:28, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. One full calendar month of discussion, three relists, and only one full-throated argument to delete. There's no real urgency on the part of the community to delete this article. A Traintalk 19:39, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

COSCO fleet lists[edit]

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Non encyclopedic fancruft. PROD was added in 2017 for the reasons being 'No value is added to an encyclopedia by inclusion of a list that is already available from the subject's own website. This article is correct only on the day published. It will require substantial maintenance, likely by hand, which is likely to fall further and further into disrepair' and subsequently removed by its author Ajf773 (talk) 09:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not following etiquette on PROD. The original proposer said I could remove it if I disagreed so I did. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Just commenting. there's no rule to proscribe the author of article to remove prod label. However, it'll be good if you inform the person who tagged it. The next step will naturally be an Afd. Quek157 (talk) 08:40, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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As I've said before, the information, as presented, is not available from the company website(s). All current information on Wkipedia is liable to fall behind, such as lists of cruise company ships, naval vessels, various statistics on geographical pages and so on. It is in the nature of Wikipedia. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:37, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was, originally, going to add them to the main COSCO shipping page but was mindful of the caution about overwhelming the main page. I'm quite happy to move them there if that is deemed preferable. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:34, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Murgatroyd49: I wasn't sure whether you meant now (in which case, please don't while we are discussing) or just as a "if that's what people want" - apologies if needlessly making sure. I believe you are right that it doesn't belong on the COSCO page.Nosebagbear (talk)
For clarification, if that's what people want. Certainly won't do anything until concensus is reached. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Eggishorn's point about too little information being contained on the list - presumably an argument of a failure to meet Wiki's quality standards/Incubation I wouldn't say matches what we see in most of its counterparts. Now while of course WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST is there, List of ships built by John Brown & Company sets the lowest level possible (I would say this actually needs modifying, but here for comparison), but quite a few of the other Lists of ships have equivalent information. This (and they) have more data than "mere vessels names and types" - certainly enough to meet the minimum quality standards. Nosebagbear (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As an example the fleet list at Royal Mail Steam Packet Company, for a long time, had less information than the COSCO list, I've been slowly filling it out as and when the urge takes me. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 10:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Simply only a handful of those ships have articles and even then the notability of those vessels isn't guaranteed. And I don't see the encyclopedic value in naming every single unit in a company's fleet roster. Ajf773 (talk) 22:18, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Clarified my point, by articles I really mean news articles/sources. Obviously only a small number of the ships will have articles/be individually notable. However even my brief look round gave articles on quite a few of the ships. As components in a list they aren't required to meet article-level notability. The list certainly seems beneficial and doesn't seem to breach WP:NOT. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:47, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • List entries being notable themselves certainly put forward a better case for the WP:LISTN being satisfied. Ajf773 (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • So how many entries in a list have to lead to a seperate article to make it notable? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 09:24, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • No specific number, depends on consensus. Ajf773 (talk) 10:21, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Are the company websites primary sources? The primary source for this data is the company's offical records and the various Maritime registries, the website information is derived from those records so is a secondary source. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:45, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they are primary sources. The company can publish the information in various ways, each way, be it book, film, or webpage, is a primary source because it is the company themselves who are publishing the information. A secondary source is a source independent of the company - not related to the company in any way (not paid or commissioned by the company, not working for the company, not a different branch of the company, etc). Completely separate. We can use primary sources for factual information, but we depend on secondary sources for notability. SilkTork (talk) 20:58, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Which is basically what I did, used the the company lists to get the ship names, often having to unscramble the Chinese-English translations, and checked the details with marinetraffic and other similar websites. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:24, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Frontiersmen (University of Houston)[edit]

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Fails WP:N. The article has one primary source. I tried to find third party reliable sources on the subject... but searching came up blank. Vanstrat ((🗼)) 03:31, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Midhilesh Sunder[edit]

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Fails WP:NBADMINTON] and WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:35, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The only keep !vote does not address the notability concern. – Joe (talk) 18:25, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alpine Games[edit]

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Has not been improved since 2007, still fails WP:GNG and Atari Times external link is not enough. Govvy (talk) 19:51, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Scratch (programming language). – Joe (talk) 18:20, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Scratch Wiki[edit]

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Fails WP:WEB. Only cited sources are from the site itself, a quick google search gave no reliable independent sources either. Possibly not even enough to justify its own section in Scratch. Omni Flames (talk) 08:55, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
*Week Delete - Per nom. || Regards // 12LA 12:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC) struck !vote by block-evading sockpuppet Yunshui  10:24, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 18:05, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

EPlasty[edit]

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Since this article was proposed for deletion in 2013, no new evidence for notability has come forward. It is still not indexed in even a single selective database (it is in PubMed because as an open access journal, it is included in PubMed Central, but it is not included in the more selective MEDLINE and Index Medicus subsets). It is not even included in Scopus, the least selective database among those that WP:NJournals considers "selective". Clear fail of NJournals. No independent sources, so also fails WP:GNG. Hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 09:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. After 24 days and several re-listings with no additional input, there is no consensus as to notability. SilkTork (talk) 22:57, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boze Hadleigh[edit]

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Deletion requested by article subject via OTRS (#2018050210000042). Proposing for deletion under WP:BBLP. Notability exists, but is borderline; current article focuses overwhelmingly on subject's LGBT work and ignores rest of output in arguable violation of WP:UNDUE. Yunshui  15:36, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leslie Carol Roberts[edit]

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Fails Wikipedia:Notability - all the sources are written by her, not about her. GRuban (talk) 02:06, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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That's not true. Some of the sources are book reviews in magazines (e.g. Orion) and institutional sources from where she works/has worked. MurielMary (talk) 23:53, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What category of notability does that pass? Xxanthippe (talk) 03:03, 24 May 2018 (UTC).[reply]
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Being well published (whatever that means) is not enough. The work has to be well cited. I can find only 6 citations on Google scholar. Compare this to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dorothy Cheney (scientist) with 32,673 citations. WP:Prof#C1 is not passed by a long margin: WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Leslie Carol Roberts is not only a research scholar and professor (like the example you provided), but also a journalist, book author, and the chair of a department at a major university. Google Scholar is best used for research, but it doesn't cover all of the bases. Jooojay (talk) 18:59, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Being the chair of a university department does not pass any category of WP:Prof. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:25, 16 May 2018 (UTC).[reply]
I wasn't implying that "being the chair of a university department does not pass any category of WP:Prof" either, I was simply stating that looking at one category is simply not a fair way of assessing a person if they are claiming multiple skillsets. That being said, I remove my vote because I think this is hard to assess considering the multiple skillset based on how poorly written and sourced the current article is. There may be a possible COI by an editor. Jooojay (talk) 22:05, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to California's 45th congressional district#2018 Midterm Election. – Joe (talk) 17:50, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Min[edit]

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The relevant notability standards here would be either WP:NPOL or WP:PROF, and I don't think he meets either one. Congressional candidates aren't notable for their candidacy alone, and I'm not seeing PROF here either. Marquardtika (talk) 02:57, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Disclosure: I tried to redirect this article and was reverted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:22, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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BrittonBurdick has been identified by Cullen328 as an employee of a rival campaign. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:35, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's true and I added that disclaimer to the relevant article's talk page. There have already been multiple edits from Min's team attempting to editorialize the article in ways that either flatter Min or discredit his opponents. That is why I think a redirect/deletion would be the best option. I agree with the other editors that suggest reinstating the article in November might make sense if Min wins the election.BrittonBurdick (talk) 03:41, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And yet, we have plenty of evidence of him passing WP:BASIC. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with that statement. The sources you posted are good ones but don't, in my reading, proving lasting notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:46, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I take it you're referring to WP:SUSTAINED? --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:18, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. – Joe (talk) 17:45, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew White (businessman)[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL. He lost a primary election and is not otherwise notable. Marquardtika (talk) 02:43, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Parcom[edit]

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unsourced advert for a web hosting provider Wolfson5 (talk) 02:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Advance Gold[edit]

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lightly sourced advert on a not notable company Wolfson5 (talk) 02:17, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. What an extraordinary feat of endurance -- the article has been up since 2004 with nary a source. I take no pleasure in deleting this, so if any sources do materialize, please make use of WP:REFUND. A Traintalk 19:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

McCoy Manufacturing[edit]

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This article on a defunct train company is unsourced and admits, in the article, the company is not notable: "although not widely known ..." Wolfson5 (talk) 02:16, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fresco Norway[edit]

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unsourced advert Wolfson5 (talk) 02:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 12:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alvexo[edit]

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article is sourced to press releases - not notable company Wolfson5 (talk) 02:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. A Traintalk 07:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ladder (company)[edit]

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A directory-like listing for an unremarkable private company. Singificant RS coverage not found. What comes up is passing mentions, routine notices, and / or WP:SPIP. Created by Special:Contributions/Budha_Everyday with few other contributions outside this topic. Does not meet WP:NCORP / WP:CORPDEPTH. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:47, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. A Traintalk 07:58, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish-Kurdish Regional Government Economic Trade Relations[edit]

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This appears to be a well-sourced essay or analytical paper, instead of an encyclopedia article. Chetsford (talk) 14:44, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The Gnome - just to clarify for the closer, since the weekend is now over and no substantive changes have been made to the article, your !vote has transitioned to delete? Chetsford (talk) 21:28, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. A Traintalk 07:56, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of highest paid mayors[edit]

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This is an absurdly incomplete list. It's very problematic that a number of individuals and cities are being described as having the highest salaries when there is no sourcing or comprehensive list to actually verify that the individuals in the top five actually have the highest salaries in the world. The only reason why Iceland has six of the top 20 highest paid mayors in the world is simply that editors from bothered to edit this page while editors from other countries have not. I don't know if this is right, but surely this page skirts WP:NPOV by giving such a misleading and incomplete portrait of mayoral salaries. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 00:19, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*comment- is incomplete yes, but the highest is in it, but data is woefully wrong, for political office holders from Singapore, they do not get the mayor pay but the office pay which is even highest. and that's good. passing remark, not voting on this --Quek157 (talk) 23:43, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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As a Singaporean, I can attest to the salaries of Singapore not being OR, but fact. But my previous concerns of inaccuracies are still there, as clearly Dr Maliki, being a SMS will hold SMS pay not mayor pay, whosoever did this list must be wrongly interpreting salaries. OR/SYNTH in general. --Quek157 (talk) 11:09, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Quek157: Even if individual salaries are accurate and sourced -- actually even if all the cited salaries are accurate and sourced -- it is still OR to place them in order in a list of "the highest paid mayors" as there are thousands, if not tens of thousands, of other mayors whose salaries were not checked. The only way this could not be OR would be if an external source actually listed all these mayors' salaries in order. Hijiri 88 (やや) 11:52, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
yes, do read, I said OR/SYNTH in general Quek157 (talk) 11:53, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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