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The result was speedy delete. Just spam for a company with no verifiable evidence of notability either Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Music Registry[edit]

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Promotional. Not notable Rathfelder (talk) 23:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mundo Arts[edit]

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Not notable Rathfelder (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. No consensus on a redirect. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:45, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

James O'Toole (tax lawyer)[edit]

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This cropped up after a block for NLT by an account claiming to be O'Toole's lawyer. Having looked at it, he's not notable per BLP1E in my book. This is a lawyer whose name appeared in the Paradise Papers and therefore got some coverage in reliable sources. The Guardian article is about him (bear in mind the Guardian published a ton of articles about PP), the BBC one is about a selection of "dodgy" tax advisers. Not convinced. Black Kite (talk) 23:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was merge to Peano curve. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Murray polygon[edit]

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Doesn't seem to be notable. Google Scholar gives only 7 results for "murray polygon", 3 of which are by the original creator. I've been unable to find any mention of this in any pop. lit. as well. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:12, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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...thank you for that immensely well-reasoned drive-by, I guess... --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was redirect to Burning Spear. The nominator has indicated that they would be content with a redirect also. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:22, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Burning Music[edit]

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Not notable Rathfelder (talk) 22:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Etzedek24 (Would it kill ya to leave an edit summary?) 17:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alena (graphic novel)[edit]

I feel like it is WP:TOOSOON, seems somewhat notable to me. Has been a stub for over two months with little to no activity. Etzedek24 (Would it kill ya to leave an edit summary?) 22:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Roman Vyahirev[edit]

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. I can find no evidence he actually played in the KHL as the article claims. Joeykai (talk) 22:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Most likely what has happened is he used a different transliteration of the name. He has done that a few times and I have had to redirect articles because they got created twice. -DJSasso (talk) 14:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Actually I see that 18abruce found him. Dolovis has done this a few times too. Call the MHL the KHL when it is in fact not. -DJSasso (talk) 14:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Actually at the time of article creation he likely had the name right, see here. Makes identifying the earlier Ukrainian players a real nuisance, while the russians have a few more clues. Does not change that this article should be deleted.18abruce (talk) 01:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:46, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Robyn Maby[edit]

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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment: Indeed you don't; with the exception of the Olympics (covered under a different standard), women's hockey has never generated the press coverage necessary to grant presumptive notability to every player competing ... or indeed, more's the pity, much coverage at all. Ravenswing 00:41, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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  • There's no provision for half-notable people in Wikipedia. If there's show it to me. It is binary: Either notable or not notable, period. What ever come in between is pedantic verbiage. And less I forget, this is not the comment that requires your split-second response, it is not even a question, nobody sought for response. It is the Unanswered questions that you decided to sweep under the carpet, that should have response. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:32, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was redirected to International Space Station. No need for an AFD here. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:48, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Google International Space Station[edit]

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Appears to have made headlines in July 2017, and otherwise does not appear to be WP:NOTABLE at all. Home Lander (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. (the 2022 one softly). T. Canens (talk) 06:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2026 Asian Para Games[edit]

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Per WP:CRYSTAL. Mattg82 (talk) 21:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because WP:CRYSTAL:

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 06:02, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Marvell Technology Group chipsets[edit]

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Overly specific listcruft, no sourcing found. important only to gearheads if at all Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 21:29, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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I called it expertcruft, I only pointed to fancruft for something related to link to. My idea of what cruft is, is probably different to yours. But however you want to define the contents of this page, there is a lot of excessive detail here, including a lot of WP:HOWTO make it work on Linux, making it hard to read. Mattg82 (talk) 21:02, 20 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bond Gideon[edit]

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Delete: as insufficiently notable actress. Quis separabit? 21:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Detrended correspondence analysis[edit]

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Incoherent mess of buzzwords, no sourcing found. Prod declined without comment. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 20:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) LaundryPizza03 (talk) 03:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rejecta Mathematica[edit]

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Non-notable "journal" which (according to our article) only ever published two issues, and no longer exists. My initial feeling was, This looks interesting, followed by, Hmmm, The Economist and Ars Technica as sources; looks pretty solid.

But, looking at the cited articles closer, they were published on Jul 20th and 29th, 2009, which coincides with the first issue. My own searching found an item in MAA, also dated Jul 29th, 2009. I can't find any other WP:RS, and even the blog posts and such I've found, are mostly clustered around that date. I assume, then, that they're all in response to some press release, and thus not really independent coverage. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Based on the better sources people have found, I withdraw my nomination. Who am I to argue with Science and Nature? -- RoySmith (talk) 23:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I've struck my vote as the nom wishes to withdraw and I have no objection.Smmurphy(Talk) 00:04, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:29, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sam Ancliff[edit]

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Nominated for deletion due to blatant self-promotion and would-be political posturing.

Article was created by the subject, Sam Ancliff, as who is non-notable (see WP:COI, WP:SOAP), initially posting as ActivateUK, then as Sam Ancliff (politician) and now Im Cheating.

Fails WP:AUTO, WP:GNG as the (poor) references cited are little more than passing mentions (one being semi-crowd-sourced by university media students), others relating to an organisation Sam Ancliff is involved in Activate (organisation), (see WP:MASK). Sam Ancliff is advertising at LinkedIn for paid media consultancy work at £25,000 p.a. requirement.

The prod was challenged by a suspicious new username/SPA established within the hour of template removal. Likely CU needed (now? or in future, this is for posterity), together with the following IP.
*Im Cheating worklist SPA indicated
*82.24.215.175 worklist SPA indicated
*UKPoliticalEdits worklist SPA indicated.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:31, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect to ZeniMax Media. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:31, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mud Duck Productions[edit]

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Completely unsourced for over 2 years. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 18:10, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. I will note that while this page has been speedy deleted as the creation of a sockpuppet, the overwhelming majority of the discussion is in support of deletion, so regardless of who creates the article in the future, it will still be eligibly for G4 deletion (if the issues here have not been addressed). Primefac (talk) 14:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Stewart Levenson[edit]

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Candidate only - no evidence of notability. PamD 16:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Haven't you noticed the annual ads featuring Jimbo's mug, asking for cash? The servers are not free; see WP:NOTWEBHOST. Pburka (talk) 00:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, no, I didn't mean "without cost to someone somewhere", I meant "without charge to the general public to access and create and add to", as in "...the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit"... but I think we are talking past each other. IvoryDinn (talk)
We still have inclusion and notability and sourcing standards to determine what contributions are or aren't appropriate. So it's not "free" in the sense of "any possible topic at all is always fair game", which is what Pburka was talking about. We're "free" in the sense of not charging a fee to read or contribute, yes, but we're not "free" in the sense of "there are no rules about what people can or cannot do on here". Bearcat (talk) 16:15, 20 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That wasn't what I was saying either— I like rules. I wish they applied more often. IvoryDinn (talk)
  • Keep I realize that most of the requirements at wp:NPOL say that in the case of a political candidate,the subject has to actually win or hold office, or be his or her party's nomination, to qualify as wiki-notable as a politician, but paragraph 3 there says that a political person can also qualify as notable under other criteria such as being the subject of discussion in reliable independent secondary sources— like, for example, the Boston Globe and National Public Radio. How many people are interviewed by the Globe and NPR but still don't qualify as wiki-notable?? I am not arguing that he meets wp:NPOL and never did; I am arguing that he meets the general notability guidelines, and shouldn't that be enough? Isn't that enough for virtually any other Wikipedia article? He has multiple news services reporting his movements and he is showing up in the media almost daily now. That makes him seem pretty darned notable to me! How can it not to others, unless you decide to apply a set of criteria that will de facto exclude him as a politician? And if a person meets the GNG but fails the subject specific requirements, doesn't that mean they usually get kept for meeting the HIGHER inclusion standard?
I am finding it confusing as a new editor to see my work getting lined up for deletion only because on one wants to admit that the reasons are the wrong reasons! Am getting the sense that I may not choose to stay around here very long. Levenson's wife died of ovarian cancer; so did mine. That was why I wanted to write about him. And my God, he certainly looks plenty notable AS A PERSON to me! IvoryDinn (talk) 10:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Strike sock. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:11, 23 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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  • I'm not arguing his inherent notability. Not at all. Paragraph 3 of NPOL states: Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article". The subject here, a candidate for political office, has just that kind of coverage: significant, reliable, and independent. His being a candidate for political office should not be used to DIS-qualify him, which looks to be how this is being done here. The subject-specific criteria are useful for including articles which would otherwise fail to meet the primary notability criteria, but not to exclude those which already do, no? (In other words, if a person who clearly qualified as a university professor decided one day to run for office, would we then delete his/ her article for not having met the notability criteria for politicians??)IvoryDinn (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • You're right that WP:NPOL doesn't exclude subjects who pass WP:GNG. However, I believe it's generally agreed that political campaigns are news, rather than encyclopedic, and Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Specifically, campaigns usually have little enduring notability. Pburka (talk) 14:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
*I get the sense that you are looking for reasons to exclude this article. "Wikipedia is not a newspaper" is not the same as "Wikipedia articles cannot be based on newspapers." There is not, so far as I know, any policy saying that newspapers cannot be the sole basis for an article (is there?). Plane crashes are news. Hurricanes are news. This news story is not a routine announcement like an obituary or a celebrity spotting, and there are tons of articles that began with only newspapers for references. So far this one has been in the papers, on tv, and on the radio for over six months, and is ongoing (meaning that it is not "breaking news", which is what the "Wikipedia is not news" thing is meant to address). At what point do we call that "enduring"? Are the sources reliable? Are they independent? Are they verifiable? Do they talk about the subject in depth? WP:NPOL says nothing about the likelihood of a campaign being notable or enduring. Where is the policy page that outlines durability so that I can review it? ("...generally agreed..." makes me a little uneasy). IvoryDinn (talk) 07:47, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Plane crashes are a good example. Wikipedia doesn't include articles for most plane crashes because they're newsworthy, but not encyclopedic. They are included if they had an enduring impact, e.g. the crash investigation led to a change in regulation or design. (I said "generally agreed" because very few, if any, things on Wikipedia have universal agreement.) Pburka (talk) 14:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We just had an AfD about a plane crash, the standard is much lower than you suggest, for example if there is serious damage to the aircraft or airport, or if there are fatalities, it is considered encyclopedic. Jacona (talk) 23:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • When you say, "generally agreed", you make it sound as though you are speaking on behalf of others who may or may not exist. This is why I asked for a policy page, which so far no one has shown me. It is very confusing to show readers a set of policy guidelines and then contradict them in practice because it is "generally agreed" that those policies don't actually apply to the thing at hand. I also recently created an article on another politician from NH, Mark MacKenzie, a man with far less news coverage, which was approved without question. The double standard there is remarkable. Maybe this campaign will result in an election, maybe not, but that isn't the point. The point is that the notability criteria appear to have been met, but that it is "generally agreed" (despite the absence of any supporting policy) that this doesn't really matter. Please justify that for me, because I still don't get it. IvoryDinn (talk) 16:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:34, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gigacity[edit]

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Procedural nom: PROD contested without improvement. Most of the ghits seem to discuss cities with bandwidth ≥1 GBps or a fictional city in Mega Man X, not the term discussed in the article. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 15:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete. This article is suitable for a dictionary entry, which it already has one. Perhaps in the future things will change, not it is not notable today. --Frmorrison (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 06:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Candy Maaka[edit]

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Subject does not meet the GNG. No significant coverage in independent sources. Only coverage I could find was a 2012 article on the QANTAS award and a 2014 article on her Kickstarter campaign for a vegan-fashion line, both from local newspaper Manly Daily. Much of the article also fails WP:V. Kb.au (talk) 15:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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— I'm a brand new user who has only written, well attempted to write, one article. Of course there are few or no other edits outside of this topic. But for your information, I have also signed up to help tackle the backlog of orphaned articles (now that I know what they are). We have to start somewhere, right? Doesn't mean we're a single-purpose account. JF1982 (talk) 01:59, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*Keep In response to the local press comments, the subject lives in Australia and press articles are from Australia, New Zealand, America, Europe and UK. Mostly print. JF1982 (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*Keep Not sure if this is the right place to say this, but I wrote this article and I am not the subject. I have 3 others to write, and I am still trying to find my way through this. This is the first time that I have heard of the term 'orphan article,' so I will try and figure out how to fix that. If anyone is willing to point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it a lot. I did read Wikis regulations and purposely didn't add business names/fashion label names and the subjects current book title to article, because I didn't want my first article to seem 'promotional.' But it appears to have come across as promotional, COI and now vanity. Please understand how frustrating it is to have everyone point out the errors in your article without offering how to better it. I genuinely welcome any tips. Thanks.JF1982 (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Not opposed to moving it to draft or userspace if others think the notability is borderline. Kb.au (talk) 10:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm afraid notability is not borderline. If one looks carefully at the sources, they're almost all webpages. The Qantas airlines award is not notable. Moreover, the source for that doesn't even list Maaka, but is rather about the award itself. Most of the article is OR (is currently earning her diploma in Master Herbalism, etc). I think we must bear in mind that this is a BLP and that means sourcing is relatively stringent. Broad searching doesn't turn up anything that is even close to demonstrating notability. WorldCat shows that her book Lightwarrior is held by 0 institutions, Google searching just turns up GoFundMe/blogs/Twitter/FaceBook cruft, GNews nothing, no citations in books, and nothing in GS or HighBeam. It seems the only real RS are a few local news pieces, as the nom stated originally. Agricola44 (talk) 16:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • There's borderline notability of course that's why WP:GNG is guideline not hard-coded policy. What you think is not notable someone may think otherwise and your view cannot summarily trumps theirs. Your search is limited by several factors both technically and physically. I am not saying it is outright notable but I can't say it's not either. There is a reason CSD A7 was designed very strict. On use of local sources, that's your opinion; there's no policy or guideline that prohibited them. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:44, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I hear that you are asserting this is a borderline case, but you don't seem to make a case beyond EXISTENCE of a few local sources. We generally don't accept notability at this level, otherwise a large fraction of humanity would be notable for WP purposes. It is true that my search is limited "both technically and physically", but no more than those done for numerous other AfDs here every single day. I don't think your strawman of the subjectivity of notability is helpful here. The fact of the matter is that most of the article is OR, most of the "sources" are unacceptable for a BLP, and there's very little else convincing that turns up in a broad search of the standard, conventional information databases that we use here at WP every day for this purpose (GS, WorldCat, etc. etc.). So, if you feel that this level of "evidence" is enough to say that notability is borderline, then I think you and I just have to disagree. Agricola44 (talk) 17:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • What does "most of the article is OR" mean? I have mentioned that I am doing this through trial and error. I have looked at other pages and used that as a guideline for what info to add. I added what the subject has studied and is studying, because I also added that she is a conservationist and humanitarian - it backs up those claims. I could add the subject's sustainable fashion/social enterprise as a page, but then I'd get blasted for promotional use. It seems that you want more info, but then I'm doomed because I'm not allowed to add it. Or is there a way to add that page, without being promotional? Also note that I did not add the subject's book to the article (again with the promotional stuff), Lightwarrior, even though it was sold by several of the largest bookstores in the world (I was able to see which stores sold the book through a google search). Regarding 'google searching and only finding GoFundMe/blogs/Twitter/FaceBook cruft' - note that the GoFundMe fundraiser was a recent event (Dec 2017), and social media is also recent/current; of course they're going to show on google regardless. But, the subject won the Qantas Award in 2012, and websites/media sites don't always hold articles for that long - it is 2018 after all (hence why print media is important and the clippings are available online). I have shared a print press clipping regarding the Qantas award win; it is notable. "It seems the only real RS are a few local news pieces" - The Dominion Post is NZ's largest newspaper, how is that local news when subject lives in Australia? Again, I have shared the clipping. The press articles are mostly print (local and international) and I have shown you where to view some of the clippings. But you keep saying the sources are only local. You will not find these clippings/print press articles in a google search or on worldcat - perhaps deeper research is needed because worldcat etc obviously can't pick up everything. "If one looks carefully at the sources, they're almost all webpages" - that happens when press is mostly print; how else am I supposed to cite relevant media articles, if not from the web? I add webpages and it's not good enough; yet in your opinion, the subject's notability is based on a web search. You can't have it both ways. JF1982 (talk) 03:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • IMO, the most notable thing that the subject has done (asides from winning the Qantas award) was rebrand the successful fashion label that she won the award for in the first place. Subject rebranded to sustainable fashion and became a social enterprise instead. If you researched it, you would find that info easily. Although 'notable' to me and not 'notable' to you - I at least agree with 'borderline notability,' and that's why I wanted to write this article in the first place. JF1982 (talk) 03:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. FGS. Bishonen | talk 19:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Girther movement[edit]

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WP:NOTNEWS. The daily Trump flash in the pan event doesn't need an article in an encyclopedia. Recreate if and when it has shown to have enduring impact and notability in a few months time. Fram (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Scjessey, my friend, if you seriously think this is notable, please allow yourself to WP:IAR sometimes. JFG talk 16:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are simply too many reliable sources and too much widespread coverage for this to be an IAR situation, as much as it pains me to admit. -- Scjessey (talk) 16:54, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This indeed has received a lot more coverage than I realized - I sympathize with your !vote - quite a lot of it seems like 109 newspapers reporting though, mostly on the same twitter posts.. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:24, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Lots of coverage, yes - but literally all of it is from within the past 24 hours. There's nothing to suggest this will become a subject of enduring value or notability. --MelanieN (talk) 18:08, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • That WP:NOT#DICT defense doesn't make a lot of sense. The article is not about the word "girther", but rather it is about a growing movement of people who dispute the report given by the White House physician. Moreover, the fact that it easily passes WP:GNG means WP:INDISCRIMINATE doesn't really apply. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:12, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If such an article were someday to be created, it would be called "Health of Donald Trump" and would include the entire picture. And that will only happen only if his health becomes an ongoing story of importance to his biography and his presidency. It will not be about a silly 1 inch discrepancy in his reported height. --MelanieN (talk) 17:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Did someone suggest a redirect? To what topic? (Btw I note that you are the author of this article. No offense to you is intended if it gets deleted.) --MelanieN (talk) 18:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Melanie, none would be taken. (Emir talk) had mentioned a broader article be created on Trump's health. It may also pertain to an article on Anti-fat bias as a public figure and how he both gives and receives this bias of weight.Susangrigg1 (talk) 18:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:57, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Donald Trump chessmaster meme[edit]

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Despite a bunch of good citations, this concept does not seem to have significant notability as a meme. Barring outright deletion, I would suggest moving the text to a section of Donald Trump on social media. — JFG talk 14:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:38, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Urban zone (disambiguation)[edit]

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Dab failing WP:TWODABS: a primary topic with 1 valid entry no 2. Urban Zone is to be deleted (NN + promo), 3. Urban zones of New Zealand is a WP:PTM covered by the primary topic. So, even if either 2. or 3. are retained, then it still fails TWODABS, so may as well SNOW delete now Widefox; talk 14:47, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as G12 - copyright violation. Primefac (talk) 15:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Department of European-Central Asian Affairs (People's Republic of China)[edit]

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unencyclopedical article that lacks the basics for an article on an official departement, it does not even state which ministry it belongs to is, where it is based is totally unsourced. IMHO a clear candidate for PROD but as it was Unprodded without being improved it must go through AFD. Tagged since june 2017 without improvement. Domdeparis (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was speedy delete as G12 - copyright violation. Primefac (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Department of West Asian and North African Affairs (People's Republic of China)[edit]

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unencyclopedical article that lacks the basics for an article on an official departement, it does not even state which ministry it belongs to is, where it is based is totally unsourced. IMHO a clear candidate for PROD but as it was Unprodded without being improved it must go through AFD. Tagged since june 2017 without improvement. Domdeparis (talk) 13:45, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 05:55, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Aehsaas[edit]

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Fails WP:NFILM. No independent notability given, and the award appears to be one for participation. A Quick google reveals no third party sources discussing this. Killer Moff (talk) 13:25, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:40, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Versatile (music)[edit]

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This seems rather pointless - like a dictionary definition inflated with some commonplaces. References are all illustrative rather than descriptive. I suggest this can be deleted w/o a redirect. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was no consensus. T. Canens (talk) 05:59, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Harkamaya College of Education[edit]

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Article on a for-profit college, sourced entirely to the company's self-published report. I could find no significant, independent coverage and certainly nothing that meets WP:CORPDEPTH. Deprodded because "deletion of articles on accredited degree-level colleges is far from uncontroversial", but accreditation does not equal notability. – Joe (talk) 16:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The standard is the same whatever the organisation and wherever it's located: significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. I have made a good faith attempt to find it for this college, and found none. This isn't a major centre of higher education, it's a small, privately-owned teacher training college. I don't know about you but I have absolutely no idea what it takes to get a "B grade NAAC accreditation" so I don't think it's a good idea to presume that it's an indicator of notability. – Joe (talk) 00:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I thought about that, but it only says it's "affiliated to", not part, of Sikkim University (which itself is a very minor regional university). The Sikkim website only gives it the barest mention, as one of fourteen (!) affiliated colleges [20]. – Joe (talk) 00:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pharaoh of the Wizards: You added a primary government document that just includes Harkamaya in a table; a book that mentions it once in a directory of colleges (and doesn't verify the statement it is attached to); and, most bafflingly, to support the statement "the college was founded in 2003, and was initially affiliated to North Bengal University in West Bengal," you added a reference that mentions neither Harkamaya nor North Bengal University, and was published ten years before the college even opened! What on earth were you trying to achieve with that? – Joe (talk) 10:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think any of those facts are disputed. But being affiliated to a notable university or accredited by a notable body does not make this college notable. Where is the significant coverage in independent reliable sources? – Joe (talk) 11:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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  • As I said above, I see no reason to suppose that this is a for-profit institution. A large percentage of the world's universities and colleges teaching to degree level are private but not for-profit, for example all of the Ivy League universities, and I see no evidence that this is any different. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 05:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Untouchable (2011 short film)[edit]

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Non-notable student film lacking in-depth sourcing. Perhaps redirect to Kelly Marie Tran. reddogsix (talk) 00:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Comment - According to her IMDb profile, she is most known for this project next to Star Wars. Also, she is a main cast member in Unotuchable according to the film's poster on IMDb.Viapicante (talk) 12:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment If someone spammed the site enough she could be 'most notable' for a thanks on a random film or even something like an adult film that would violate WP:BLP. That's why we don't use IMDb as a source. Nate (chatter) 01:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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  • Brief mentions and single line entries are far from adequate coverage to establish notability. reddogsix (talk) 14:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was no consensus (WP:NPASR). T. Canens (talk) 05:54, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2018 Boys' U18 Volleyball European Championship Qualification[edit]

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Unnecessary article about Qualifications, either delete or possible merge into 2018_Boys'_U18_Volleyball_European_Championship Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:37, 2 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think most of qualification pages are separared from main competition pages. So, I want to know 1.what criteria to tell which one should have or shouldn't? 2.The qualification page of previous edition (2017) will be deleted or not if this page delete. Noncommittalp (talk) 20:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was merge to California State University, Chico. T. Canens (talk) 05:53, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Meriam library[edit]

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Library of California State University, Chico. Nothing significant of the building as it fails WP:GEOFEAT. CASSIOPEIA (talk) 12:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America1000 12:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Muslim Model High School, Lahore[edit]

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fails WP:GNG.. Saqib (talk) 12:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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WP:OUTCOMES is not a policy page. --Saqib (talk) 13:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Muslim_Model_High_School,_Pattoki.  M A A Z   T A L K  14:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is case-study. Störm (talk) 18:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, it is. How does that make it unreliable? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • How is a 20-page paper about the school in an academic journal a passing reference? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 17:08, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ma'az: I realised you added a couple of unreliable sources. Please avoid. --Saqib (talk) 13:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Saqib: Yes thank you for mentioning that. Those sources were mentioned before (not after the article was AFD), and they are excluded in the list of 7 RS mentioned above. The other sources are removed now. :)  M A A Z   T A L K  13:32, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was no consensus. North America1000 12:56, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Customs Public School[edit]

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fails WP:GNG. cited sources are not RS, except this which is a clear press release. An RfC on secondary school states "Secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist." Saqib (talk) 12:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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WP:OUTCOMES is not a policy page. --Saqib (talk) 13:28, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You appears to be completely misinterpreting the WP:N. I leave the discussion here and let the closing admin decide whether to keep or delete this page. --Saqib (talk) 13:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ma'az: You giving me good chuckle. Cared to look at the reason of that AfD closure? --Saqib (talk) 14:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You really know which sources are WP:RS. For your information, Google map, Bilqees Sarwar are not WP:RS. This article lack significant independent coverage so I'll lean delete. Don't bring single-mention sources because they have nothing to do with notability. Three arguments above are usual reasoning which they do on every AfD, not policy-based. Störm (talk) 18:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do these sources mention google maps?  M A A Z   T A L K  21:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ma'az: Why don't you stop cluttering this nomination by constantly and repeatedly citing the sources. You've made your point so let the closing ed decided whether to keep or delete this page. No one needs to be so overzealous. --Saqib (talk) 16:10, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was keep. This is a Keep rather than no-consensus because there is no real dispute that the allegations are well documented, the only substantive question hinges on whether this can be covered adequately in the main article. The arguments appear to me to credibly support the idea that a separate article is the best way of covering these allegations with adequate nuance and context to satisfy WP:BLP, but without overwhelming an already lengthy main article. Guy (Help!) 11:34, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Woody Allen sexual assault allegations[edit]

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Delete - Virtually the entirety of this simply repeats what's found at Woody Allen — a verbatim copy-paste. The material is certainly important in the context of his life, yet since anyone can allege anything, and no proof of any sexual assault or harassment, let alone criminal charges, has ever been documented despite multiple proceedings and trial-by-public, this entire article outside of its context is hugely WP:UNDUE and seems to exist only to "shame" the subject. Tenebrae (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Strong Keep per WP:ARTICLESIZE. The section about this in the parent article at Woody Allen is too long and it became necessary to split it into this subarticle. Dylan Farrow's allegations against Allen are obviously of lasting significance and have garnered a huge amount of news coverage especially since she has written about the alleged incident and multiple actors and actresses have expressed regret for participating in his films because of it.--The lorax (talk) 02:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure it's good policy to reward someone for refusing to follow split-discussion protocol. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Comment Saying that editors should follow split-discussion protocol is not IDONTLIKEIT. Also, no one is questioning the validity of the content, only that it completely duplicates part of an already existing article. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:04, 13 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Bearcat, the issue is extremely complex, and only part of it has been explained in the Allen BLP. I don't want to list the things not mentioned because they would have to be written carefully and in context. The section can't be lengthened because it is arguably already too long for a biography. Another issue is that there are three principal figures: Woody Allen, Mia Farrow and Dylan Farrow, all living people. In the Allen BLP, there is an effort (rightly) to make sure the text is BLP-compliant as it relates to him, but there is no corresponding effort (in that bio) to do the same for the women. Moving the issue to a stand-alone article solves both problems. We will be able to explain what happened clearly without having to worry about overwhelming other sections, and it will become more obvious that there are multiple, competing BLP interests.
    Another two points are worth noting. First, Vox recently called this "one of the most visible and acrimonious scandals of the early 1990s". [22] (That article is a good summary of the key issues.) Had Wikipedia existed then, we would have had a stand-alone article rather than splitting it between BLPs. Second, the sub-section in Allen is likely to keep getting longer because people are discussing it again; since December 2017 five actors have apologized for having worked with him. None of that can be explained properly within the BLP. For example, for length reasons, we can't discuss actors who have spoken positively or actors who have been discussed but won't comment. We can't discuss the rewards ceremonies that were marked by online protests from two of the principals and another family member. None of it can be mentioned because it would overwhelm the biography. When you find that happening in an article, and where the sources are high quality, it indicates that a split is needed. SarahSV (talk) 00:31, 14 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is all fine, but it's the discussion that the editor who created this page was supposed to have initited before he unilaterally took it upon himself to decide for the rest of the community.
The honorable thing for that editor to do would be to agree to the deleting of the article and then do a WP:SPLIT discussion the way every other responsible editor would have done it. If we're going to circumvent the established protocol — which was designed to prevent contentious duplications just like this — then why have a SPLIT process at all? --Tenebrae (talk) 01:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If this is kept, I was thinking we could move it to Allen–Farrow family dispute or Allen–Farrow custody dispute. SarahSV (talk) 04:50, 15 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment Actually I can see the Moore issue being a big one in the 2020 election. Orrin Hatch's decision to not run for reelection may have in part been brought about because his unwillingness to totally distance himself from Moore outraged the Utah electorate's total non-acceptance of Moore. I can see both potential primary opponents and general election opponents of Trump playing the Moore card in 2020. I can see Trump himself trying to emphasize that he did not support Moore before the primary election. The allegations against Allen have just never become so broadly covered in the media as those against Weinstein and Moore. On the other hand, I see lots of good arguments to keep this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:20, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Relisting comment: There is one question here and one question alone: Is this fork an UNDUE fork, or is it not. Closing administrators are not interested in the notability as that is practically an obvious: yes this is notable. That would happen to almost any allegation like this, but especially one involving 3 notable persons who we have BLPs on here at this site. I will likely be closing this, as I see that there are some gender-related arguments already being presented in this discussion and I want to be sure that such arguments are thouroughly taken into account as well, as I'm strictly against us pushing a pro-male or pro-female bias (the former seeming to be the most common due to the editor ratio here). I will consult (or close the discussion concurrently, if they'd prefer) with someone who I think everyone will agree has the same viewpoint but from a female perspective, to ensure my gender isn't also an issue here. Some may take this concept as me saying I will supervote, that is not the case, I will only apply the consensus that we are able to determine from the discussion while ensuring no personal biases get in the way, and am doing as such to ensure that all systemic biases are also taken into account. This has the potential to be a highly contentious discussion, due to the nature of the topic, so I ask that everyone remember that we all want this to be the most accurate encyclopedia it can be (even if there are bad apples around sometimes... but I don't see anyone in this discussion who doesn't seem to have the right intentions). Let's try and work together to see if there is any firm consensus that can come out of this, as of now, the consensus remains unclear.

Please pose any questions about this atypical type of comment in a relist (and one that isn't necessarily "orthodox", although our lack of female editor retention tends to be) to my talk page if you can, as I do not intend to distract from the goal of finding the best way forward with this article via further discussion (while ensuring this discussion is not toxic for our female contributors... after already hearing several complaints about this over the past few years).

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  • We can continue to discuss this to the end of the world. The reality is that this is notable. Notability is notability. Period.BabbaQ (talk) 13:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Coffee, if the result is no consensus, that's how it should be closed, and there was no need to relist it. It does sound as though you're planning to cast a supervote, so I'd appreciate it if you'd let someone else close it. Timely action would be appreciated because an interview with the alleged victim is about to be broadcast by CBS, which will mean the need to add even more to the BLP if this article doesn't exist. We need a decision. SarahSV (talk) 01:00, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Then I would advocate the decision is that we follow proper protocol, delete this improperly started article, and do a WP:SPLIT discussion the way we're supposed to, and which will also provide the opportunity to detail what to leave on the old page should a split occur. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:10, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @SlimVirgin: Common practice is that if consensus cannot be determined within the first 7 days, a relist is conducted for up to two more 7 day periods. I will not be casting a supervote of any form (nor will my colleague), I am purely stating I plan to close it with another administrator. It is because of the unorthodox nature of a two-admin close that I am making the point to state this will be happening before it does, that is all. I hope you at least give the close a chance before making a decision about its merits. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:57, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • As the reviewing administrator I specifically determined that discussion sufficient enough to determine any consensus had not happened before the relist. This type of relist is standard procedure, as these discussions are not votes. Even if every single person who commented here after this made the exact same arguments for deletion as above, the arguments for retention would hold no less weight. And I surely doubt that having two administrators (of two genders) close this can possibly be this contentious. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:43, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

D 2D & D 3D[edit]

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No evidence or claim of notability & sourced entirely by self-authored papers. See also power~enwiki's PROD removed by the author. Cabayi (talk) 11:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete These appear to be handy but completely non-notable programs. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 08:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete - I couldn't find any mention in any reliable source. Elmidae's "completely non-notable" may be an understatement.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 05:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was merge to Ghulam Ishaq Khan Institute of Engineering Sciences and Technology. Consensus was clearly to merge into the parent article. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 TT me 15:34, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

GIK Institute Clock Tower[edit]

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Local tower in the university, clearly not notable. Nothing in WP:RS. Fails WP:GNG. No WP:COI here please as I can see from nom three years back. If you are from Ghulam Ishaq Khan Institute of Engineering Sciences and Technology, then please don't comment here. Alternate would be to redirect. Störm (talk) 08:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 05:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Volotea destinations[edit]

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Wikipedia is not an online catalog. List of Volotea destinations is non-encyclopedic and belongs to Volotea's website, where it is kept up-to-date. Staszek Lem (talk) 22:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Changing to wait until February then probably redirect. Another relist for procedural reasons will fulfill that. J947(c), at 00:40, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was no consensus. North America1000 13:13, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

James D. Zirin[edit]

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This WP:AUTOBIO was speedily deleted twice (2x), followed by five (5x) rejections at AfC, before being accepted on the sixth attempt.

Unfortunately, I can't see how it's improved to pass WP:GNG.

I recommend that, if deletion is approved, this article then be WP:SALTED or we will be in a revolving carousel of continual recreation for the next decade.
(Pinging previous persons active on the draft and deleted versions of this article: User:Chrissymad, User:Ladypaperclip, User:Kvng, User:Sulfurboy, User:C.Fred, User:Mr. MacTidy.) Chetsford (talk) 21:27, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Reality check 1. Book reviews do, in fact, establish notability as per WP:AUTHOR #.3; Contrary to Chetsford's assertion, below, it is impossible to pay for a marriage announcement article in the New York Times (you can pay for a boxed ad announcing anything you choose, but weddings are editorial and cannot be bought); and Contrary to Chetsfords assertion below, there are many articles with WP:SIGCOV, in addition to article Zirin wrote.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're right, it looks like you just fill-out an online form and the Times will run your wedding announcement for free [23]. Chetsford (talk) 23:35, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Trivial as this is, you are wrong. The NYTimes gets inundated with requests to cover people's marriages. So they have a system: you fill in the form, they decide if you're notable (highly accomplished bride and/or groom, or child of highly notable parents, or unusual and interesting couple) they assign a journalist to fact check and writer the actual copy. It is important to read links you use to support an assertion carefully, or to know what you're talking about. This link reads: The Times does not charge for publishing these reports, but space is limited and we cannot guarantee publication. If it is published..." E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Book reviews don't establish the type of deep biographical information necessary for a BLP. They don't tell us about his birthplace, his DOB, his education, his career background. They only prove he is a living human. Being a living human is not sufficient to establish notability. Chetsford (talk) 22:01, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
According to the notability criteria for creative persons book reviews do establish notability for an author. "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work."

"The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention" I think it would be strange of an artist or authors works were notable but they weren't. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
*Comment The article was speedily deleted twice due to copyright violations not because the subject was found not notable. The number of attempts at AFC is not so relevant as there were more copyvios which were corrected, and there is a learning curve for new writers. I am surprised to read this long opinionated assessment of the nominator here today, when he has been so busy at AFC reviewing over 100 articles in 24 hours on his first day of AFC reviewing, with 21 in one hour during that time. 2 to 3 minutes per draft is hardly time for most editors to even read over the draft and do a copyvio check. It looks like perhaps that your speed has made the AFC process and wikipedia suffer, much less the probable loss of many first time editors. Lacypaperclip (talk) 21:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If we're going to play this game I'd note you have a 59.1% match rate [24] here at AfD while I have a 91.6% match [25]. So perhaps we should keep the comments focused on notability of the article, and not attack each other's competence as editors and reviewers. Sound good? Chetsford (talk) 21:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*Keep Yes FloridaArmy it does. There are multiple reviews of his books in WP:RS and with the other references as well the subject certainly passes WP:GNG. Also the nominator stated will never be able to be sourced. New sources come online all the time, as well other sources which were not found previously could turn up. One really cannot make that statement accurately. Lacypaperclip (talk) 22:03, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Book reviews (can) establish the notability of books, not authors (see: WP:BKCRIT). Per our WP:GNG: significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail. The two book reviews only establish that he wrote two books. Notability is not demonstrated simply by proving a person is real and alive. As Chrissymad explained to Mr. Zirin on her talk page after she rejected a version of his autobiography substantially similar to the one you approved: "The issue is that neither of these sources are coverage of the individual." [26] Chetsford (talk) 22:10, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great question, SeraphWiki. I think the reason federal judges are notable, and prosecutors are not, is that (according to our article United States federal judge), there have been 3,294 in the 242 history of the United States. Meanwhile, there were 5,300 federal prosecutors just in the year 2008 alone. [27]. (To be clear, though, the 93 United States Attorneys are notable, however, Zirin's unsourced claim is that he was an Assistant U.S. Attorney; of which there are 5,000+ at any one time, ranging from seasoned litigators to freshly minted 25 year-old JDs). Chetsford (talk) 07:34, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*comment The claim you state is unsourced is because you keep removing the sourced citation for it as part of your disruption to the article. [1]Lacypaperclip (talk) 08:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Lacypaperclip - could I kindly ask you to please properly thread your comments so they're easier to follow? It can be disruptive when you push each of your comments into the first position and slap a new bolded alert onto them. Also, I know I've asked this before but if there's a way I can convince you to focus your discussion on the notability of the subject instead of attacking the intentions of other editors that would be great. It does sidetrack the process a bit. You created a dedicated space here to question my competence so perhaps you could corral your commentary about me to that space? I appreciate your help. Chetsford (talk) 08:29, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*comment When an editor makes a comment they can use comment to delineate it. I have done nothing disruptive here. I was pointing out that your statement that the claim was unsourced is not true. I have the right to point that out and explain that you kept removing it so everyone could understand why the statement is unsourced at the moment. I am keeping other discussions now at their proper venues. You do not need to convince me of anything or "tell me how to focus on discussion". Please keep your comments on the content not the contributors. I was focusing on the notability of the subject and a claim about him which is supported by a reliable source. That is not attacking others intentions. Lacypaperclip (talk) 08:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ "International Academy of Trial Lawyers". Home. January 10, 1940. Retrieved January 10, 2018.
I saw that too and was thinking the same thing! On further investigation, though, it appeared to be a quote in the same AP story about a single trial. Because it was an AP story it was syndicated/reprinted by dozens of papers. And, unfortunately I don't think Mr. Zirin's 14-word quote about a criminal defendant in 1970 contributes to his own notability (though, perhaps, about the defendant). I agree that, if kept, this would be an exceptionally odd bio. It's unusual to have so little RS on the subject that we can't even reliably say what he was doing during the 43 year period between 1973 (when he was a junior prosecutor) and 2016 (when his book came out). Mr. Zirin is truly the J.D. Salinger of American jurisprudence! Chetsford (talk) 09:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*Keep This article subject has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources which are currently found in the article. It should be pointed out that when this article was nominated it had only 7 references and the coverage on the subject has been increased to over 40 references which include New York Times, La Times, Forbes plus many others too numerous to mention here. Also, as FloridaArmy stated there are several reviews about his books which are from reliable sources. Another editor mentions a lot of coverage on newspapers dot com from several decades ago. Remember sources only have to be available, not necessarily already placed in the article. This article with it wealth of sources passes WP:GNG and needs to be expanded not deleted. Bythebooklibrary (talk) 22:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"over 40 references which include New York Times, La Times, Forbes"
Note that all of these are op-eds written by Jim Zirin himself. IOW, the NY Times, LA Times, and Forbes are not writing about Jim Zirin. Getting the NYT to publish your letters to the editor and op-eds doesn't meet the requirement of BLPS for sources WP:INDEPENDENT of the subject, as Chrissymad explained. Chetsford (talk) 23:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

:::15 of the 40 are op-ed pieces not all. Please do not mis-represent the facts Chesterford. Thank you. Bythebooklibrary (talk) 19:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually there are 17 total, 15 are op-eds, 1 is a paid obituary [28] and 1 is a paid marriage notice. Chetsford (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

:::::Don't try to obfuscate now. There are 15 op-eds not 40 like you wrote previously. More importantly now there are even more references listed than before, the largest majority being from mainstream sources. I was wondering Chesterford do you have a COI regarding this matter? The reason I am so politely asking is that you seem to so adamantly object to anything at every juncture. It has even come to the point where you have marked a New York Times paid death notice as unreliable? You must be confusing the fact that a paid notice can, of course not be used to help with notability, but to call the New York Times unreliable? Maybe you need to step back from this article, and let the article and AFD be judged fairly by the community. Bythebooklibrary (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hmmmm, that doesn't seem right. By my calculations we have 17, not 40. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. And that's okay! As for paid notices, please see WP:RS. Advertisements are not considered RS. A paid death notice is simply a classified ad that appears in the obits section of a newspaper. It is not subject to the editorial control of journalists. Chetsford (talk) 03:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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*Comment Gee, Chetsford, why can you not just admit your error? Bythebook librarian said 15 were op ed pieces, yet you keep saying the two other items are as well. The two paid notices are not op eds. I really think By the book gave you some good advice. You seem to have claimed WP:OWNERSHIP of the article, and most of the time will not let improvements stay in the article. Part of AFD is working to improve the article. On another topic, I would like to know the answer to the question you skipped above? It is an important issue to note. Simply do have a COI with this article subject, have you ever met him, do you know someone in the family? Is there any link to him, or maybe do you not like attorneys? Please just leave a simple yes or no answer. Because if you happen to say yes, your arguments here may be seen under a different light, and the closing admin has a right to know the information. Thank you. One other thing I have found a source about the books being on the bestsellers list. I am going to try and find one or two more then I will add that info back to the article. Lacypaperclip (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm sorry, Burley22 but the claim that being included in Marquis Who's Who is a "scam" is absurd, baseless, and borderline conspiracy theory territory. What 'scam' is involved in getting your biographical information in published books year after year? True, if self-nominated it doesn't prove notability on its own (this is explicitly noted in Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#cite_note-note4-6. But the Who's Who entries don't need to satisfy notability, Zirin's books do: read WP:AUTHOR. And there is no compelling reason to doubt the information therein, especially if it is not contradicted by other sources (and yes, even reliable sources may sometimes contain errors or contradict each other, but so what?). In an earlier time, many journalists and researchers would start with a Marquis book or other biographical directory. --Animalparty! (talk) 02:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We are not using his opinion pieces to satisfy notability. Read WP:AUTHOR: "The person's work (or works) ... has won significant critical attention" Zirin has authored two books (The Mother Court and Supremely Partisan), which have received significant critical attention from independent sources. Zirin's work has undoubtedly been recognized. In addition to the reviews Coolabahapple has listed above, Zirin's work has been reviewed by The New York Times (here), The Federalist (here), Above the Law ( here ), and Foreward Reviews (here). In addition to print, Zirin's work has been discussed on television: Here's Zirin on Morning Joe. Here's Zirin on C-SPAN. Here's Zirin on KTTV, Los Angeles. If someone is invited on air for national or major regional television, I think that indicates notability. Zirin's own syndicated talk show (Conversations In The Digital Age) appears in public television outlets in New York as well as Kentucky,[29], Texas[30], and possibly elsewhere. From existing sources, Zirin's works have received attention in England and Scotland, as well as the United States.
And while Zirin's op-eds alone do not vouch for notability, the reception of such Op-Eds can. Zirin's essays have been cited in multiple books,[1][2][3] and at least one essay has been reprinted in an anthology.[4]
Lastly, I want to remind everyone that Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the present state of an article. A person need not be covered extensively since birth to meet notability criteria. WP:BASIC states "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability" For Zirin, we have two notable books, and sufficient verifiable biographical information to flesh out a short biography. An article need not be long to be notable. A concise biography of two or three paragraphs is probably all that is needed to neutrally and accurately assert what Zirin is known for. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:47, 14 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ Weidenbaum, Murray; Hughes, Samuel (1996). The Bamboo Network. New York: Free Press. p. 137. ISBN 9780684822891.
  2. ^ Torr, James D. (2005). The Patriot Act. San Diego, Calif.: Lucent Books. p. 47. ISBN 9781590187746.
  3. ^ Nancy S. Lind; Erik T. Rankin (2015). Privacy in the Digital Age: 21st-Century Challenges to the Fourth Amendment. ABC-CLIO. ISBN 978-1-4408-2971-0.
  4. ^ Friedman, Lauri S. (2006). The Patriot Act. Detroit: Greenhaven Press. p. 30. ISBN 9780737735253.
Policy states that notable works establish the notability of a subject. He's an author so producing notable books establishes his notability. What would you have an author be notable for? And being an author is only one aspect of his notability.FloridaArmy (talk) 22:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FloridaArmy That would be true if there were any other non-primary, run of the mill sources. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:09, 15 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
what makes sources such as this New York Yimes Book review about his work run of the mill? FloridaArmy (talk) 23:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*comment No, of it is not run of the mill! It is the new york times! lol. I would like to update my !vote, to add that due to Zirin's two notable books he passes WP:AUTHOR, since there has been critical discussion about him and the books in RS, and that, as well this article subject clearly passes WP:GNG for significant coverage over some 45 sources which are WP:RS. Also, please let me remind everybody, when this article was nominated there were only 7 citations in the article. I feel that with the help of several editors, we have greatly improved this article. Lurkers and commenters that have not placed a !vote and rationale yet, there is still time to do so if you wish. Pinging participants here who have only commented, but placed no !vote yet: FloridaArmy, DocumentError, SeraphWiki If I missed anyone who has not voted, I am sorry! Also wanted to let every one know, I updated and added a new section for Philanthropy with multiple citations from The Associated Press and the New York Times. Please read over the article if you have not lately. Thanks. Lacypaperclip (talk) 12:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • But the books aren't notable either; read the "articles"; they're just like the bio: trivial coverage like perfunctory reviews, so they don't pass WP:GNG either. — SMcCandlish ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ʌ< 16:27, 16 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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  • Er... wrong question. The fact that Zirin has penned op-eds and articles (some may have been paid placements - I don't know) is irrelevant, raised by some iVoters as a straw man. The question for editors here is the usual question at AfD: Is there WP:SIGCOV in secondary WP:RSes?
  • This argument is attacking the (imagined/inferred) method by which Zirin's books became noticed, not the fact that they have achieved notice. If all media coverage were merely repackaged press releases, then a case might be made . --Animalparty! (talk) 19:51, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was no consensus. North America1000 13:22, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of Gimme Gimme Gimme cast members[edit]

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Not encyclopedic. WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Main cast already listed at the series article, the "guest cast" barely deserves a mention. --woodensuperman 09:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Faqir Muhammad[edit]

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Run-of-the-mill bio of teacher. Fails WP:ANYBIO. Störm (talk) 10:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flight 73 (book)[edit]

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Doesn't meet the notability guideline for books, and a lot of the content is a duplicate of the existing article Pan Am Flight 73. | Naypta opened his mouth at 11:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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@Etzedek24: I was meaning that the only factual content on the page was covering content already in existence at Pan Am Flight 73. Whilst I agree most of it is ads, I wasn't sure it was matching the strict criteria for unambiguous advertising. | Naypta opened his mouth at 20:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of park golf courses in Aomori[edit]

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No indication of notability, content is about ten years out of date. A similar article Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of park golf courses in Miyagi has already been deleted I am also nominating the following related pages because the article is of similar nature:

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:47, 25 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2014 Muzaffarnagar triple murder[edit]

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A tragic incident that did not receive much coverage except for a few days. Media did report on this, but just as a news story, of which there are many everyday. In my opinion wikipedia articles should only feature those incidents that have had lasting coverage (more than a few days) in the media. Elektricity (talk) 07:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep as villagers organized a mahapanchayat to protest againt the killings http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/after-triple-murder-up-braces-for-mahapanchayat/story-kZnfBRR6QcOx2rXzkVcGgJ.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.110.140.185 (talk) 10:48, 20 January 2018 (UTC) — 42.110.140.185 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Reply[reply]

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The result was keep. The subject passes Wikipedia:LASTING and Wikipedia:SUSTAINED. (non-admin closure) FITINDIA 08:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2006 Bhiwandi lynching[edit]

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Tragic as this may be, it did not receive much coverage except in a few newspapers. As there was no lasting coverage of this single event, it should not be given a separate article on wikipedia. Elektricity (talk) 07:19, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Please note that one of those links is a self-published book, another is an advocacy group and by no means long after the event, and some of the others are passing mentions which wouldn't satisfy WP:GNG. - Sitush (talk) 21:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 21:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Marilyn Barnett[edit]

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Fails GNG, BLP, NPOV... edit: appears to be a personal bio, reads like a CV rather than encyclopedic.Angryredplanet (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just FYI... I am a novice editor, just getting into the nuts and bolts of WP:xxx etc. I also am new to Twinkle, but, you know, be bold, right? My first AfD, sort of testing the waters. Found this page on ANI (I think creator got blocked), and it just doesn't belong. Angryredplanet (talk) 05:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. ♠PMC(talk) 21:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bangladesh Railway Fan Club Association[edit]

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Fails WP:ORG. Existing sources are simply namechecks; WP:BEFORE revealed nothing better. John from Idegon (talk) 05:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was keep. The conversation can continue on the talk page J04n(talk page) 20:42, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2017 Kandel stabbing attack[edit]

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WP:NOTNEWS article is mostly a collection of statements from various politicians with no indication of lasting impact SeraphWiki (talk) 04:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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RAPID has been used a lot to keep these articles, and nothing has ever come of it. These articles are created at a low level without any indication of whether they would even be due for inclusion in an article about violence against women in Germany, or violence committed by refugees in Germany. There is no analysis at all and no indication of how they would fit into a higher level article because no sources have ever discussed these particular incidents. RAPID should not be used to keep these dead-end breaking news articles that have no hope of ever becoming neutral, balanced articles because they have a very narrow topic. Each one is basically a POV fork of the actual encyclopedic topic (in this case violence committed by refugees, or violence against women in Germany) where the main article would have to also include content about racism and other neutral content about domestic violence, etc. SeraphWiki (talk) 08:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I hate to say this really, but there is a tremendous amount of violence against women in Germany - It has been the subject of publication after publication and we don't even have an article about Violence against women in Germany. That is embarrassing. Until clear guidelines are set these articles are going to keep proliferating. One particular crime being committed by a refugee from Afghanistan is so narrow that it would be WP:SYNTH to bring in the broader discussion, but the POV presented in the context of a one week news-cycle about the crime, largely based on rhetorical statements from politicians, is allowed to stand in these articles without any hope of ever balancing them. If there were policy changes, the higher level article would be written first and the relevant articles would be created as link development, but that is not what happens.SeraphWiki (talk) 08:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The incident occurred on 27 December 2017. Business insider (AP reprint) ran a story on 16 January - which would be 3 weeks later. You seem to mixing your personal opinion of whether such incidents should be notable - and actual coverage. We don't decided on notability based on editor opinion. We do decided based on coverage. RAPID is a valid argument for an in-the-news event receiving wide international coverage. If you want to claim lack of SUSTAINED - you'd be better off waiting six months or a year - and then taking out the AfD axe (claiming that while covered widely in the month of the incident - coverage has since....). Doing an AfD based on crystal-ball guesses of editors regarding future coverage - which is pointless - as pointed out by the WP:RAPID policy.Icewhiz (talk) 09:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And of course, coverage in German, e.g. bild or RTL is on-going. This incident has political ramifications regarding asylum as well as an interesting legal question regarding the age of the alleged perpetrator - is an interesting legal issue (how do you determine the age, in the modern era with laws protected minors, of an individual with no documentation) as well as a policy issue (being a declared minor is advantageous in the asylum system).Icewhiz (talk) 09:16, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WP:NOTNEWS is not a discussion of whether a topic is notable. It is grounds for deletion of a topic that may satisfy WP:GNG. So you can strike your personal comments above. I do have some background knowledge on violent crimes against women, having studied the topic in several University and law school courses. No amount of wikilawyering around this changes it. I can't find a single similar news story about a white German man being violent. Maybe white German men just aren't violent, that could be true, I don't know because Germany doesn't even collect statistics based on ethnicity. This is why an encyclopedia should have a strong preference for secondary source academic analysis, writen by experts. News sources should really be used for basic non-controversial facts, not as a basis to really shape the content and tone of the encyclopedia on a large scale. It is creating a big mess that will have to be cleaned up down the line.SeraphWiki (talk) 09:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
NOTNEWS not relevant - this is not a routine event and in any event has persisted across several news cycles covered via many different angles (which we, as an encyclopedia, should summarize). Perhaps the German and international media are wrong in their coverage priorities - that should be taken up with them and their readership. On Wikipedia we determine notability by WP:SIGCOV by WP:RS, which is present in this case, and not by editor opinion on the editorial policy of RSes.Icewhiz (talk) 09:58, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For example here a US army sergeant decapitated his wife's lover's head and brought it to her but we don't seem to have an article about it. Nadav Sela killed his wife and two children in Israel but I can't find a Wikipedia article about it. It is partially the priorities of the media, but not entirely. This really needs to be made more precise at the policy-level. The NOTNEWS criteria are simply not clear enough about what is and is not a routine news event. SeraphWiki (talk) 10:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It actually is quite clear. Per NOTNEWS: "For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia", and further expanded in WP:ROUTINE. A murder (in peace time in a normal country) is never routine. A murder that has political ramifications (e.g. [47]) - is far off from routine. A murder still might not be notable, and most murders are indeed not notable, it depends on whether there is WP:SIGCOV. The Nadav Sela case - probably would pass notability guidelines if someone created it (even though there are no political ramifications - it is a straight up horror story)- though it would be more difficult to defend at AfD (as there is less coverage than this AfD - which has become an international item - Sela is fairly widely covered - but it is limited to the national level (and is mostly non-English, though English coverage does exist).Icewhiz (talk) 10:22, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
NOTNEWS is not a notability, it is an exclusion policy. You need to read WP:NN again. This decision about what is "routine" always comes down to what individual editors believe is notable. Nowhere in the policy does it say "murders are never routine" - are rapes routine? Is domestic violence routine? Is police brutality routine? Are military accidents routine? No, only editor's ex cathedra personal statements. WP:SIGCOV and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE are notability guidelines. The fact that editors routinely vote on this in AfDs without a basic understanding of what the WP:ISNOT policy actually is, is an issue. The language of WP:NN should probably be restated in the WP:ISNOT policy. This isn't to question anyones competence, I only recently learned this at AfC, many editors are just not aware that WP:ISNOT is not a notability guideline. SeraphWiki (talk) 10:37, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Incidentally, I am aware of the difference between notability and NOTNEWS and I put it up for nomination as NOTNEWS, so all the argument about notability is off-topic. SeraphWiki (talk) 11:04, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In that case, this should be speedily kept, as claiming murders/attacks fall under NOTNEWS is contrary to the policy and community consensus regarding articles about murders/attacks.Icewhiz (talk) 09:33, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, there is a rough consensus about terrorist attacks, but this seems to have been run of the mill 'she left him, he killed her'. This is a very common type of crime. If we keep the article when the crime is committed by an Afghan refugee, I hope we will keep all of them, if someone takes the time to create the new article.SeraphWiki (talk) 22:42, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The issue here isn't "ongoing coverage". There is a huge and voluminous body of scholarly literature about this that goes back decades, some of it specifically about Muslims. Here are some titles of recent academic papers:
  • Islamophobia: examining causal links between the media and “race hate” from “below”
  • Media, Racism and Islamophobia: The Representation of Islam and Muslims in the Media
  • The Changing Misrepresentation of Race and Crime on Network and Cable News
That's the kind of stuff we are supposed to write about. Serious encyclopedia stuff. Not echoing a particular array of crime news stories that have been linked to racial bias in academic publications for decades (most of it about blacks, now more recently about Muslims and Latinos as well). Crime reporting in particular has been such a subject of scrutiny that our policies advise us to steer clear of it unless it is about a wrongful accusation (At least when creating standalone articles about individuals). Naming the article 2017 stabbing attack does not fundamentally change what this article is. Despite the title, this article is exactly what we are not supposed to write under WP:PERP. This isn't benign.SeraphWiki (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please re-read the policy you cite and Note that, a.) article is named for the crime, not after the PERP; b.) German police have protected PERP's name with an alias (even though there is no doubt about the identity about this long-time boyfriend who stabbed a 15-year-old to death after she broke up with him.) also, please stop WP:BLUDGEONING this AfD.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I nominated it for NOTNEWS, not NCRIME and am frankly tired of voting on these discussions on grounds other than what the article was nominated for. When dozens of articles are created about routine news reporting on the topic of crimes committed by minorities despite decades of widely accepted, highly cited, established published research that crime journalism has a racial bias, and those articles can't be linked to other articles on the topic because they aren't specifically discussed in any secondary source analysis, that is proliferating non-encyclopedic content on a significant scale, and it certainly triggers NOTNEWS and "routine" because it undermines Wikipedia's purpose of building an encyclopedia. It has nothing to do with NCRIME. SeraphWiki (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Cautioning User:SeraphWiki, You have been editing for a long time, but perhaps you are unaware that it is against the rules to return to comments you have made in a discussion and alter them after the conversation has moved on, as yo did here: [49]. When making such changes you must clearly mark them, by striking and similar.E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@E.M.Gregory: Since the diff you cited clearly shows that I refactored my comment before anyone had responded, I think you should strike the above accusation.SeraphWiki (talk) 01:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Done. My error and my apology. I assumed that you were new to AfD because of your apparent unfamiliarity with the process. For example, you assert that: "I nominated it for"NOTNEWS, not NCRIME and am frankly tired of voting on these discussions on grounds other than what the article was nominated for."[50] And similar statements here: [51], and [52].E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@E.M.Gregory: Why do those diffs make you believe I am unfamiliar with "the process"?SeraphWiki (talk) 23:08, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For example, I refactored this statement The only thing that is WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS is when editors try to work around the majority view of WP:RS on a subject by proliferating non-encyclopedic articles about crimes committed by minorities. because after reading it, I thought it was too personal. If there had been any replies, I would have struck it. I don't think it is intentional, but I think that is the effect - so I tried to reword it to explain in a more neutral way - dozens of low-level standalone articles on routine crime reporting that about crimes (committed by minorities) without a clear parent don't have any place in the encyclopedia. This is a thing that is quantifiable, if we are creating a lot of content about routine crimes because crimes committed by minorities receive more media coverage then other types, then I think it is fair to say that these types of articles may not have encyclopedic value as standalone articles and may even inadvertently introduce bias. There is enough serious academic research about this that I think it should be taken seriously. The article itself is written in a news summary style. But I don't see how a diff of a comment that I have already struck (or removed under WP:TPG in this case) is relevant to this AfD. SeraphWiki (talk) 00:26, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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This is not following the sources - we are supposed to follow reliable secondary sources - media reports are not reliable secondary sources for articles about crimes - there should be some secondary source somewhere that has at least mentioned this incident if it is notable and/or has encyclopedic value and it should have a parent article - what is the parent article for these? This has not been mentioned in so much as an academic footnote. This is basically all covered by WP:NEVENT - WP:DIVERSE, WP:SENSATION, WP:PERSISTENCE - If an event is cited as a case study in multiple sources after the initial coverage has died down, this may be an indication of lasting significance. - it should be at least cited, somewhere, outside the news to be notable. This is not a very high standard as most crime related academiclaw articles are copiously cited, and include hundreds of crimes that have never been mentioned the press. If it has never been cited, it is probably non-notable for an encyclopedia.SeraphWiki (talk) 01:17, 23 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here are the relevant notability policies though (since NEVENT and NOTNEWS are often discussed at the same AfD):

SeraphWiki (talk) 02:36, 23 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You've already stated your position. There is no need to repeat your position in a way that does not address any of the policy language that I highlighted, after a nomination has been withdrawn, or to argue against a merger that has not even been proposed yet. I've checked some of the AfDs you linked and I see one repeat participant who has been CheckUser blocked. Maybe, as other editors have pointed out, it was a mistake to nominate it as NOTNEWS, but the notability question can't be fully resolved until the initial coverage has died down, per WP:NEVENT and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE.SeraphWiki (talk) 02:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Point of fact: you did not withdraw. You offered to withdraw on conditions that included a proposed merger. to which I made a policy-based response.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:12, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 02:51, 21 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oladeji Olatunji[edit]

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Not sure why this was accepted as it was created by a known sock (upe, etc...) and was previously AFD'd and merged to his older brother. I see no evidence at this point that there is significant enough coverage to warrant an actual article and there is little to no change in those sources. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Little confused, 1292simon. That's about his brother. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Rpclod, 1292simon Again, I ask, why? That article is about his brother, not him. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:31, 18 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Delete or merge Hi Chrissymad. The merge suggestion was an attempt to salvage something out of the article. However, I can see the arguments for deleting, and think that is also an acceptable outcome. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was speedy delete per CSD G11. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Episode-Choose Your Story[edit]

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References to either simple reviews, non-notable sources, or to subject's own site. Authored by an SPA who was asked to disclose his COI, but has yet to do so. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 02:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:32, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

List of engineering institutes affiliated to Rajiv Gandhi Proudyogiki Vishwavidyalaya[edit]

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WP:NOTDIRECTORY and not a notable list - just a simple long list of schools with some kind of affiliation. Proposed deletion but removed as a possible merge except there isn't really a great deal of content to salvage. Ajf773 (talk) 02:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:32, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CJA (band)[edit]

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No notability asserted. The awards stated are not major awards like the Grammys, so they are not a valid assertation. Band did a lot of very minor things, and no coverage was found. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 01:15, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:32, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wolf Beats[edit]

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No sources can be found to establish WP:CORP and WP:GNG. Non-notable record label with non-notable artists in their history. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 01:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Please provide valid evidence of notability, preferably reliable independent sources with significant coverage of the subject. See WP:GNG. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 09:05, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:32, 24 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

UCI Soulstice[edit]

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Fails WP:NEVENT, WP:GNG. A typical college event with little or no impact beyond its boundaries. (I would have A7'ed it if not for the celebrity judges.) A verbatim search (to eliminate results with "solstice") for soulstice ("uc irvine" OR "university of california irvine" or uci) yields few hits with no substantial, independent coverage. The few sources provided or yielded by Google are social media or university-connected publications, except for the MTv item, which was really about two child stars running into each other at this event, rather than being about the event. Largoplazo (talk) 00:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. There's a consensus here for speedy deletion under G11: one direct request, and two additional ones saying they support it. That, along with the content of the article, is enough for me to be fine with deleting it under G11. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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References point to niche non-notable blogs and press releases. A quick news search showed passing mentions at best. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 00:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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