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Juan Astorga Junquera

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Subject has a stable article at Spanish Wikipedia but notability according to English Wikipedia guidelines for either WP:GNG, WP:NACADEMIC or WP:ARTIST isn't evident. I'd like to hear what others think. Rkieferbaum (talk) 01:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mark Bauman

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Moved unilaterally to mainspace after prior draftification. I see poor referencing, churnalism, and lists of "stuff" albeit as prose. WP:BIO insists on references for facts subject to challenge, and there is a shortfall, so I see a WP:BIO failure. I also see WP:ADMASQ for a WP:ROTM "cross-platform media executive, filmmaker, print and broadcast journalist, and environmentalist." doing his job. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: PROMO. The sourcing used is either primary or passing mentions. Nothing we'd use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques").

I can't assess https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/business/grid-news-site-live.html (walled).
https://www.axios.com/2021/07/10/dc-journalists-launch-media-company is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/grid-news-the-messenger-startup is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, zero discussion of Bauman.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/tech-exec-invests-in-digital-news-startup-launched-by-veteran-journalists.html is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman; everything seemingly about him is actually claims about the startup attributed to Bauman.
https://digiday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/07/DIGIDAY-MEDIA-AWARDS_Winners-Guide-2023_062923-2.pdf is a non-sequitur.
I can't assess https://www.adweek.com/media/laura-mcgann-has-reimagined-reporting-using-an-intersectional-structurally-focused-approach/ (walled). Given the article is about someone else, I can't imagine this is too useful for an article on Bauman.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181001-is-this-the-last-chance-to-see-the-titanic is useless for notability (too sparse, possibly wrong subject). Shit He Says, no actual discussion of Bauman. I should note that my own search for sources (string: "Mark Bauman") returned primarily non-responsive content, so I would be very concerned about conflating multiple Mark Baumans.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190519214223/https://www.virtualwonders.com/ is useless for notability (website homepage).
https://thinkwellgroup.com/blog/2020/08/21/exploring-the-details-with-virtual-wonders/ is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman.
https://wyse.gmu.edu/mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). I note this bio omits anything involving GRID or any media startups; one would think, given their journalism pedigree is mentioned, that these would be brought up.
https://thepearsoninstitute.org/speaker/mark-bauman is useless for notability (connexion to subject). The image on this page looks like a completely different guy from the WYSE image, disregarding the glasses.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/ng-live-engineering-exploration-technology/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-oct-17-ca-cinefile17_-story.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Shit He Says, no discussion of Bauman.
https://www.documentary.org/column/festival-focus-national-geographic-all-roads-film-festival is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
We don't cite IMDb (no editorial oversight).
https://www.media.mit.edu/events/media-lab-conversations-series-mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Event programme.
https://www.darwinfoundation.org/en/about/our-people2/board-of-directors/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). He's on the BoD for the Darwin Foundation.
https://www.asoc.org/about/our-team/#board is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Again, BoD.
https://conservefish.org/news/marine-fish-conservation-network-welcomes-tom-sadler-new-deputy-director-mark-bauman-board-directors-member/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject, no editorial oversight). Press release from an organisation he was joining.
https://voicesforbiodiversity.org/about/advisory-board is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.
We can't use https://wyse.gmu.edu/ (website homepage).
https://mediaschool.indiana.edu/news-events/news/item.html?n=media-school-visiting-professors-include-award-winning-media-executive-and-npr-tv-critic is useless for notability (connexion to subject). News from a university who's bringing him on as a guest professor.
https://www.cmu.edu/homepage/creativity/2010/fall/gigapixel-show.shtml is useless for notability (too sparse, connexion to subject). Name-drop in an article about an event CMU is holding.
We can't use either YouTube source (unknown provenance). YouTube videos must be (1) produced by an outlet we would consider to be a reliable source and (2) uploaded to that outlet's verified channel to be linked to, let alone cited.
https://thepearsoninstitute.org/globalforum2022 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Expo held by an organisation he's on the BoD of, and where he was scheduled to speak.
We can't use https://www.erskine.edu/2023/02/07/stukes-lecture-set-for-march-1/ (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this? (If this is a press release, it's useless for notability (no editorial oversight).)
https://www.iinteract.org/about-us is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.
https://www.wliw.org/about/awards/ is a non-sequitur.
https://crossingborders.education/people/mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.

None of the sources I can assess are any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, here's a link for the NY Times article, it isn't about the person discussed here, mostly about the Grid website [3] Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Margot Davy

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Subject doesn’t seem to pass WP:GNG. Does appearing on notable fashion platform calls for a Wikipedia page? Because we have so many people appearing on notable fashion platform but no independent reliable sources. Most of the source on the page just only talked about her appearing and nothing more. Meligirl5 (talk) 11:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Also this seems to be like a promotional work, paid work or a conflict of interest.--Meligirl5 (talk) 12:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I tried a search in .fr sites, and even then, we have only a few photo shoots that come up. "Muse of the Month" [4] is about the extent of coverage I could find, it's simply a photospread and some small text. Delete for not meeting notability requirements and a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 13:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jeff Mateer

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The article does not meet Wikipedia:Notability, and likely violates NPOV.

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Keep. Arguably notable as one of the whistleblowers who filed a complaint about Ken Paxton, which made The Dallas Morning News call the group the "Texans of the Year", not just for the statements that led to his rejection as a judge nominee. The article seems to have a neutral point of view. Its talk page includes some additional suggested references that might be worth adding. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, his actions as general counsel for First Liberty Institute have been in the news, and are similarly controversial. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Mateer easily meets the WP:GNG with the coverage in the article surrounding his failed judicial nomination, along with sources such as [[5]] outside of that context showing that WP:SUSTAINED is met. If the consensus is not to keep, this should be redirected to Donald Trump judicial appointment controversies as a WP:ATD. I'm also not seeing any POV issues here. Let'srun (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per WP:USCJN. Presidential judicial nominees whose nomination is withdrawn due to controversy are evaluated the same was as those rejected by the United States Senate, for whom "this is strong evidence of notability that can be established by any other indicia of notability". Clearly there are other indicia, so this rises above that line. BD2412 T 16:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcelo Moraes Caetano

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Article is full of puffery and reads like a résumé/autobiography. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. Sgubaldo (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. GS citations show negligible impact as yet. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Nathan Vasquez (lawyer)

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The references are pretty much all churnalism about his election campaign. One is about an ethics complaint, so is about him. Two are geofenced from me. After hw won, the remainder are P pieces about the win. Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN, failed WP:BIO. He was a WP:ROTM attorney, doing his job, now a DA doing his job. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:TOOSOON. That guys been a prosecutor for a long, long time. It maybe created once notability has been established, but at this point, no. Graywalls (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He's a successful candidate for a notable elected office. WP:BLP1E only applies when "[t]he person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual," which won't happen here. WP:NPOL is here to keep Wikipedia from getting cluttered with local officials who don't get coverage and unsuccessful candidates whose only notability is associated with the race. Moreover, he has received significant coverage in local and national media (AP, New York Times, New York Times, Oregonian, Willamette Week). Furthermore, national reliable sources have covered Vasquez in the context of the political significance of his win; see New York magazine and Politico. The most we could do is draftify it until January 1, but I think the sources justify keeping the article now, and delaying the inevitable creation of a virtually identical article for a few months strikes me as a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per above. It would be ridiculous to say he's not notable until the moment he takes office in six months now that he's won. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dclemens1971. Subject is obviously notable, in my opinion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Dclemens1971. I disagree with characterizing the sources as churnalism, particularly the national coverage (and there are many more that could be added). Vasquez is part of a notable trend of centrist challengers defeating progressive DAs in most major cities on the west coast, which continues to attract coverage. He will oversee enforcement of Portland's homelessness policies (which have been covered by NYT and others for several years), and may receive significantly increased coverage if the pending Supreme Court decision (brought by plaintiffs in Oregon) overturns restrictions on homeless enforcement as widely expected. He will also take office in the aftermath of drug re-criminalization in Oregon. Any deletion would be temporary as national coverage is very likely to continue after he is sworn in. Jamedeus (talk) 23:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Subject is very notable. His win and the election as a whole have been reported on national news (AP, NY Post, other local sources, etc). PortlandSaint (talk) 03:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abubakar Muhammad Zakaria

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No significant coverage in independent, reliable secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. - AlbeitPK (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sana Raees Khan

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Close to 20 sources are routine coverage from the Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) season 17 show which is typical for all contestants. She was eliminated on Day 55 and did not play a significant role WP:BLP1E. The remaining sources are passing mentions from the cases she was handling. Fails GNG Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 21:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep:Hello @Jeraxmoira, She is not only known for Bigg Boss but also for her high profile cases and she was in BB House for 55 days and had lots of controversies which kept her in significant role till she was in Biggboss house., Notability doesnot mean how many days you spend in bigboss house but how notable you were in those days matter and references for same are as follows: ^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]
The article also has references for the high profile cases she handled like Sheena Bora murder case, Aryan Khan Drug case and following are few references which can prove the notability : ^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9]

She is also seen in major role in the web-series titled The Indrani Mukerjea Story: Buried Truth.^[10]^[11]
Points to consider : She is been known for the High profile cases and then she was called for BiggBoss and then while in biggboss she was in many controversies and was notable by almost all reliable sources. SAN2221 (talk) 06:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source 5 is a paid article authored by Bizz Impact.

Source 6 is a video from Big boss.

7 is unreliable.

8 Big boss.

9 Big boss.

10 and 11 - are routine announcements from the docu - series and Pinkvilla's gossip section is unreliable.
All sources related to Big Boss count as one. The high-profile cases she has handled were only covered with Sana as the primary subject after she entered Big Boss, whereas previously, the coverage of her was only a passing mention on those cases. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 08:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check following references as proof and considering notability:

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[11] SAN2221 (talk) 18:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Jeraxmoira, Kindly reconsider and review the references given above. SAN2221 (talk) 09:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing to reconsider as whatever you are adding are just paid articles and more Big Boss related coverage. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A contestant on Bigg Boss show does not make the subject notable and neither any of her high profile cases have any significant coverage in the reliable sources. The subject is not well known who had any significant achievements, incidents or an allegation (even if negative) worthy of notice or relevant to warrant a page on her. RangersRus (talk) 12:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check following references as proof and considering notability and reconsider your views:

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[17] SAN2221 (talk) 18:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @RangersRus, Kindly reconsider and review the references given above. SAN2221 (talk) 09:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Being a member of the Women in Red Movement, I always try to improve the articles related to women, increase the number of women's articles on Wikipedia. But unfortunately, at this time this article is not passing WP:GNG. good luck! Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 16:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Check following references as proof and considering notability and reconsider your views:

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[23] SAN2221 (talk) 18:24, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Youknowwhoistheman, Kindly reconsider and review the references given above. SAN2221 (talk) 09:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khan Shein Kunwar

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Was nominated for AfD before, closed as soft delete, and then restored. Clearly does not meet notability guidelines; the only source is a dead link. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 19:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Not meeting notability for authors; the one source used in the article isn't helpful. I can't find any sort of discussion in a RS. This was deleted on the 8th of May. I'd likely SALT as well. Oaktree b (talk) 20:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. If I had to remove all the unsourced content on the page, only the title would be left on the page. Fails WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. RangersRus (talk) 12:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Redwine

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Current sources don't show sufficient notability to pass WP:GNG and film/tv credits don't pass WP:NACTOR. A WP:BEFORE search didn't bring up in-depth sources which showed notability. Suonii180 (talk) 16:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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V. N. Srinivasa Rao

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I do not think that this person meets the criteria for notability. I have been unable to find any reference to him other than the The Hindu article (https://web.archive.org/web/20240317044514/https://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/history-and-culture/the-lawyer-as-a-writer/article4683660.ece), which just effectively said it was nice to read. And cryptic metadata from library websites who happen to have the book (which seems to just be stanford and nyu https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/in00000071311 ) Mason (talk) 02:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment he was pretty clearly a Madras barrister[24]. He's cited for appearances a number of times in the Madras Law Journal[25]. I'm not finding a lot more than that.
Are you questioning whether the Madras chief justices book exists? It is held by 8 WorldCat Participating libraries. The comment about cryptic metadata doesn't make sense. Oblivy (talk) 07:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I believe you are confusing notability and verifiability. Just because a source is hard to find doesn't mean it isn't reliable. See WP:PAYWALL. Goldenarrow9 (talk) 19:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Page fails WP:GNG. No significant coverage on the subject in the sources which are also very likely poor. Subject does not meet basic criteria to be considered notable due to insignificant coverage in multiple published, secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. If this criteria can be met, I would reconsider my vote. RangersRus (talk) 12:25, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to Closer. Page was created by sockpuppet and is good for WP:G5 speedy deletion. RangersRus (talk) 12:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nadine Rohr

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Couldn't find any reliable source on the subject. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Shinadamina (talk) 02:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Both sources currently in article appear to be reliable. One is international database which confirms her as 7x national champion, one a newspaper article about her which confirms her as national record-setter. PamD 07:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If you really weren't able to find sources, Shinadamina, you should ask someone for help. Geschichte (talk) 08:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salman Muqtadir

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Sources are trivial (included in a list of other youtubers) and non-independent. One significant coverage is about his investigation by the police. No other significant independent secondary source covering his popularity as a content creator. - AlbeitPK (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leonard Mbotela

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Doesn't meet WP:NJOURNALIST / WP:ANYBIO. BoraVoro (talk) 07:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Seems to pass notability, sources 6 and 11 are the best. I also found this [26] and [27]. The last one I posted seems to suggest political notability as well. Oaktree b (talk) 13:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Milroy Goes

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This appears to be a non-notable filmmaker with no significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. He has directed several non-notable films, ad films, and music videos, including Welcome M1LL10NS, a non-theatrical release whose notability is questionable. The currently cited sources offer nothing beyond passing mentions, and a Google News search yields no helpful results. This fails to meet the criteria of WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. GSS ^💬 04:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Based on my check, I found no in-depth coverage from multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. This means the subject completely fails to meet WP:GNG. The majority of the sources are around his films. GrabUp - Talk 05:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Significant coverage in independent (although some articles include interviews), reliable sources. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(and if the majority of sources is considered to be around his films (not sure that can be said, but let's assume it is the case, it means that the films may be considered notable, so that he would meet WP:DIRECTOR). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think the article about his film meets WP:GNG as it requires in-depth coverage from multiple sources. The cited sources seem unreliable to me or are full of quotations from connected individuals. It fails WP:NFILM as no reviews were found and WP:NFO because the film only received coverage at the time of its release. To pass, it requires “publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film’s initial release.” I can nominate that article anytime soon. GrabUp - Talk 09:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mushy Yank, could you point out sources that provide "significant coverage"? WP:SIGCOV requires coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail." Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, almost all the sources are merely name drops. Additionally, I agree with Grabup that the film they directed appears to be non-notable as it lacks the coverage required by WP:GNG and shows no evidence of notability under WP:NFILM.

Regarding your claim of meeting WP:NDIRECTOR, it is weak for two reasons: first, the film is likely not notable, and second, there is no coverage that discusses the subject in detail. WP:BIOSPECIAL states that "If neither a satisfying explanation nor appropriate sources can be found for a standalone article, but the person meets one or more of the additional criteria: Merge the article into a broader article providing context." However, this is likely not possible due to the weak notability of the film. GSS ^💬 09:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At random, for example:

Perhaps the film producer with the most interesting experience is Milroy Goes whose film Welcome Millions is being shown on Amazon Prime in Europe and America after being dubbed in the local language. It is expected to be available for viewership in India shortly. Made in three languages and shot in Goa, Punjab, and the UK, the movie was meant to have its premiere at the IFFI 2019 but was turned down because it had been one of two Indian film selected by the Oscar committee. (https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/It’s-time-to-go-‘Over-the-Top’-for-Konkani-cinema/161417)

In 2012, director Milroy Goes brought about a whole new change in Konkani cinema by introducing his digital theatrical film, (as was mentioned in the Afd about The Victim) (https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/Good-days-ahead-for-Goan-cinema/108329)

Pervis Milroy Goes, known better as Milroy Goes is an Indian film director from Goa. He hails from the beautiful village of Cuncolim in South Goa. He ventured into the Film Industry in 2007 with his first short film “Vengeance”. Milroy gained a lot of recognition as a film director soon after the release of his second short film “Unexpected” in 2009. Milroy was mentored by a French film enthusiast named Anthony Coombs-Humphreys, who not only believed in Milroy’s potential as a filmmaker but also assisted him in producing a remake of his short film “Unexpected” for the international audience. The movie, which was titled “Expect the Unexpected”, featured a Bollywood actor named Deepraj Rana. The movie was released in 2011 and received very good reviews. Milroy Goes’ film “Welcome Millions”, which was released in 2018, was eligible for the Best Picture Award in the General Entry category at the 91st Academy Awards (Oscars) in 2019, but was not nominated. Milroy Goes is credited with being the person to introduce digital cinema in Goa with his debut theatrical film “The Victim” (2012).Besides filmmaking, Milroy Goes also has various other business ventures including a coffee shop, an artist management firm and a Portuguese passport consultancy firm. (It's Goa)

These are just examples, it's +- short but significant imv, and there are many of those. If really everyone agrees this is not enough, nor for the film(s) nor for him, may I suggest a redirect for all of them to Konkani cinema (another guideline might apply if one considers the regional scope), that might help add prose to the page, which is very listy. I'm not that interested in this filmmaker, to be honest, and will probably leave it at that (I am not watching this), Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think Heraldgoa’s covarage can establish notability. And Itsgoa is a self-proclaimed blog based site according to their about us page. As it says “ ItsGoa was started in 2015, with the aim of becoming the premier portal for all things Goa. Today with thousands of visitors a month from across the world, our blog based website has transcended the virtual space, with the ItsGoa magazine – a sought after resource for visitors to Goa.” GrabUp - Talk 11:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's Goa: A blog, yes, technically, but not a personal one and that is what matters (WP:EXPERTSPS). As for O Heraldo, not sure what you mean, but it's one of the (if not the, in English) main newspapers in Goa!! Again, a redirect to Konkani cinema might be considered. Really no time to make any further comments, sorry. Decide what you think is best. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's Goa is not only a blog, but the article you mentioned above is an interview, and such articles are not accepted for establishing notability. Additionally, there is no evidence of who runs that blog or their background, nor are there details on their editorial policies. Such sources fall under WP:QUESTIONABLE. The section "The Folks Behind The Jokes" on their about us page states, "Our writers come from all walks of life, and through our social media handles," confirming that they lack real editorial control. They also encourage people to send in their stories and experiences, share their events and happenings, or create discussions around the articles they post, further undermining their reliability. The other two sources you mentioned are just passing mentions and are not even close to WP:INDEPTH. GSS ^💬 12:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Terrell Hines

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Doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:SIGCOV. In the article, sources are greatly lacking, and the ones seems unreliable. Applicable to WP:INTERVIEW. Maybe per WP:ATD, It do be redirected to List of American musicians. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: [28], [29], [30], [and [31] doesn't make up WP:NSONG. Apart from one or two being an interview is not a criteria for inclusion. Then musician hasn't meet any of the criteria of WP:NMUSIC, but this few mentions shows there is possibility of being notable in the future. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep as well as the above-mentioned sources, there is a staff written bio at AllMusic here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie D'Souza

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Non-notable comedian; fails notability under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:ENTERTAINER. The vast majority of sources cited in this article are Q&A interview/podcast interviews and thus ineligible to count toward notability as primary sources. There are a handful of WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in sources like this and two Chortle reviews for D'Souza's Fringe performances. We would need to see additional WP:SIGCOV for this to clear the bar, and a BEFORE search did not turn any up. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheikh Ahmadullah

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Reference are self published, primary sources and promotional. These sources do not establish notability of the person. AlbeitPK (talk) 16:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Bangladeshi newspaper constantly covered significance news and column about Sheikh Ahmadullah. This proves that he has fulfilled WP:GNG. I suspect the removal proponent is aggressively trying to remove Ahmadullah and his organization's articles. Because in recent times he has proposed the removal of these two. And he didn't make any edits on the wiki other than these. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 08:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep notable person. Md Joni Hossain (talk) 16:28, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Johnson (labor leader)

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BLP of questionable notability. I encountered this page during New Page Review and after discussion with the author provided some time for additional sourcing. However, after a couple weeks the sources provided do not meet the standard for WP:NBIO or WP:GNG. A quick review:

Source 1, 5, 13, and 19 are oral histories or personal papers/writing by the subject and thus primary sources. Source 5 also includes an unattributed biographical note, but it is published by the Labor Archives of Washington, which cannot be an independent source on the topic of Jeff Johnson, a local labor leader. The union alliance that Johnson led is listed as a major funder of the archives and Johnson was himself a board director of the Labor Archives.
Source 2 is to WP:BALLOTPEDIA, about whose reliability there is no consensus.
Sources 3 and 8 are to a newsletter published by Johnson's organization and thus not independent.
Sources 4, 6, and 7 are to a labor-specific industry publication and thus ineligible for notability per WP:TRADES.
Source 9 and 11 are local news blogs that are mostly reprints/paraphrases of an organizational press release.
Sources 12 and 14-18 are WP:ROUTINE coverage of Johnson in articles that focus on other issues on which he is invited to comment.

In my analysis, that leaves only Source 10 to count as significant coverage, and we'd need to see more for this to pass notability thresholds. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You previously stated in my discussion with you that the article from the Tacoma News Tribune counts as a reliable secondary source. If that and source 10 count as significant coverage, I believe the page should be allowed to stay up. In addition, I would argue that the other coverage of Johnson in the Seattle Times and Everett Herald constitute significant coverage from reliable secondary sources. The Herald and Tribune are real independent news organs (not just blogs) from Tacoma and Everett, Washington, which are the 3rd and 7th largest cities in the state, respectively. Labor history is a traditionally underrepresented field of history, and coverage of leading figures like Johnson on Wikipedia helps promote research. Deleting this article would be contradictory to Wikipedia's efforts to increase diversity in biographies. Mathieulalie (talk) 17:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On further review, I realized the Tacoma News Tribune piece is mostly a reprint of a press release, which makes it a primary source. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a JSTOR source, hopefully that will prove notability. Mathieulalie (talk) 23:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JSTOR itself is not a source, it's just an index (like Google News). In the underlying source by Myers (see here), Johnson is briefly quoted/referenced on two pages of a nearly 300-page book. That's a WP:TRIVIALMENTION, not significant coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source 2 is fine for now - as you say, @Dclemens1971 there is no consensus about Ballotpedia, so, unless the source is deprecated in a future discussion, it is perfectly usable.

Sources 4, 6, and 7 are marginally useful, but not unusable. I don't see a reason to dismiss them per WP:TRADES, unless it can be established that the sources are directly connected to Johnson, and therefore not independent.

Sources 12 and 14-18, as you mention, make only cursory mentions of Johnson - but WP:ROUTINE, per my reading, says that routine events are not in and of themselves notable - it does not say that articles covering routine events are completely unusable for any purpose. Here, they are not being used to establish the notability of a routine event, they're being used to establish the notability of Johnson, by showing that he has been invited to make published comments on a variety of issues.

Plus, there's source 10.

Overall, while Jeff Johnson is obviously not a major, epoch-shaping world-historic figure, I see more than enough published material to establish that he is a notable figure in the world of modern labor organizing in the USA. For someone who is studying that topic, this article may be interesting and useful. I see no compelling reason to delete the article, so let's keep it and let interested editors continue to improve it. Philomathes2357 (talk) 06:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Philomathes2357: WP:ROUTINE is specific to WP:NEVENTS. Biographies go off of WP:BASIC and the "trivial coverage" mention there. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was my general impression, thanks for the clarification. Philomathes2357 (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per User:Philomathes2357. There is enough evidence of notability in the published sources.--User:Namiba 13:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see just enough sources to pass GNG. This is especially true if the biographical note and the content description to the Jeff Johnson papers are independent. --Enos733 (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They're not, though -- they're published by the Labor Archives of Washington, on whose board Johnson serves and which is funded by Johnson's organization. See here: https://labor.washington.edu/labor-archives#about Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Labor Archives of Washington is part of the University of Washington Libraries Special Collections, and the biography to his finding aid was written by a UW Special Collections staff member, funded by the Washington state budget. Johnson's papers were processed independently of his input. Finding aids are academic research materials, not promotional materials. The article was not written to promote Johnson's political career (even if it were, it would have little effect since he is retired) but as a public service to promote knowledge about the state labor council's activities, specifically its role in farmworker organizing and the 15Now campaign. Furthermore, neither the Labor Archives nor Johnson receives any money from people viewing his papers (or any other collections). Mathieulalie (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Johnson appears to serve on a board of an entity that supports the Labor Archive, not the archive itself. And in this particular context, it probably shouldn't be a surprise that the former president of a local labor union would be asked to join the board of a non-profit focused on a labor archive. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Labor Archives also isn't a nonprofit or a business, it is part of the University of Washington Libraries. Mathieulalie (talk) 16:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, with that second sentence above I was meaning to refer to the Friends of the Labor Archives organization. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 16:17, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A biography about someone who's on the board of an organization that exists to give money to an entity and whose own organization is a donor to the entity cannot be truly independent if written by staff of an entity. See WP:COISOURCE, "less direct interests can be harder to see and more subjective to establish." Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Week keep or redirect to Washington State Labor Council - there is smoke here. The problem is that we can't track down where the fire is. If you'll allow me to be morbid for a moment, I strongly suspect Johnson will immediately and unquestionably meet our notability guidelines the moment he dies and has obituaries written about him in several Washington newspapers. Fortunately for Johnson, he is still alive. But for our purposes and at the present time, the sourcing is thin (as the OP notes). What's available often briefly quotes Johnson by virtue of his position as the head of the union, and does not dive into specifics about the person themselves. I'd be fine with either keeping this article or merging its content into the organization that he ran. To me, the following sources count towards notability and have swayed me:

Ballotpedia with its bio + "In 2015, Ballotpedia identified Jeff Johnson (Washington) as a top influencer by state."
The biography written by archivists in charge of his papers should also count, as we have no reason to assume that the decision that Johnson's papers were important enough to archive was swayed by outside factors.

Sources I don't think count toward notability include:

I don't believe nwLaborPress/Northwest Labor Press can count towards notability because it's a newspaper that specifically focuses on unions in Oregon and Washington. To me, it's the definition of a trade publication within this topic area, and our guidelines say that "there is a presumption against the use of coverage in trade magazines to establish notability."
The Tacoma News Tribune source is a press release with a little added text. For our purposes, it's a republished WP:PRSOURCE.
The Seattle Times's first reference has Johnson mentioned twice for an email that he wrote to politicians. Subsequent references appear to also briefly quote him, although I've run out of free articles and haven't been able to view all of them. If that holds true, they don't meet the standard at WP:BASIC: "trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability". An example of trivial given in footnote 7 there is "a mention in passing ('John Smith at Big Company said...' [...] ) that does not discuss the subject in detail."
The Olympian is close as there is some context given. However, it's thinly written without much depth.
HeraldNet articles 1, 2, and 3 don't meet WP:BASIC. Johnson is briefly quoted in all of them.
Patch is not reliable per WP:USERGENERATED. (See the disclaimer at the top: "This post was contributed by a community member. The views expressed here are the author's own.") Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: In addition to the sources accepted as reliable, multiple mentions elsewhere add to notability. In addition to sources accessible on the internet, as a union leader it is highly probable that the subject has also been covered in as yet undigitized print media.--Ipigott (talk) 13:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Just enough evidence of notability and does no harm. BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep minimally satisfies the WP:GNG. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 07:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Montolieu Oliphant-Murray, 1st Viscount Elibank

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No refs on the page for many years. I'm not seeing the RS that show why this person would be considered notable against the inclusion criteria. He apparently has an painting in the National Gallery and entries in the directories of the peerage. But WP:NOTGENEOLOGY JMWt (talk) 09:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As a member of the House of Lords, he is automatically notable. I have added the Hansard page for his appointment. He was an officer in the Royal Navy, but perhaps there were other reasons for his appointment as a Viscount. Also, his death was reported in the New York Times. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For others, it seems that the position in the House of Lords was hereditary and as far as I can discern from Hansard, this person never spoke in a debate. JMWt (talk) 11:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant. Ingratis (talk) 11:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Pre-reform peers were automatically members of the House of Lords, which was and is one of the Houses of Parliament, and so pass NPOL. Ingratis (talk) 11:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Viscount Elibank. This article is a genealogy permastub, in direct contradiction with WP:NOTGENEALOGY. While this individual does de jure pass NPOL, the lack of participation in any debate means that, de facto, he was not a member of the House of Lords. Saying he is "automatically notable" is the same type of argument that people would cling to when defending footballers who had 0 games played, but still passed WP:NFOOTBALL, which eventually doomed that SNG to death by RfC. I don't have access to the NYT obit, but I'm 80% sure it does not satisfy the significant coverage required by WP:BIO, and besides we'd need more than one source. Since the NPOL is an SNG, which explicitly allows for deletion (articles which pass an SNG or the GNG may still be deleted or merged into another article, especially if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found), I think the GNG is a better metric for notability. I can at least find some debates where the 2nd Viscount was involved, but none for the first. I wouldn't vote delete or redirect on an active pre-reform Lord, but here we're very clearly lacking coverage. Pilaz (talk) 13:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the guideline you're looking for is WP:NOPAGE. Curbon7 (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject passes WP:NPOL as a member of the House of Lords, and thus is notable, but must still surpass the minimum requirements to maintain an article established at WP:NOPAGE. A cursory search on newspapers.com using this query returned a number of decent supplementary sources, including [32]. His obit here also helps fill in further biographical details. This obit contains some family info. British newspapers are generally poorly digitized on newspapers.com, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were more in other archives. There seems to be just enough to be sufficient. Curbon7 (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While the additional biographical information is certainly welcome, sources 1 and 3 do not provide significant coverage of the subject and expand on the already present WP:NOTGENEALOGY problems of this article. Secondly, obituaries are primary sources, so keeping this article with only primary sources available goes directly against WP:PRIMARY #5 (which happens to be a policy). Notable people usually get significant coverage well after their death, so that's what I'd like to see to strike my !vote. Pilaz (talk) 21:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The subject passes WP:NPOL, so he is notable full stop. What we need is sourcing to expand on the article so it is not, as you say, a genealogy. These sources do that by providing key biographical details, such as the positions he held. These sources are not meant to provide WP:SIGCOV because the subject is already notable, they are meant to be supplementary sources to expand the article beyond the current genealogy perma-stub. Curbon7 (talk) 21:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To me, this is one of the exceptions to the rule: someone who inherited a HoL seat and didn't participate in debates shouldn't be considered a politician. In the same way I don't think that every person appointed to national legislature inherits notability for the purposes of en.wiki. For example there are 3000 members of the National People's Congress and we do not assume every member meets the notability criteria there. JMWt (talk) 06:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely something worth taking up at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people). I certainly understand what you're saying and recognize consensus can change, but am generally adverse to new interpretations being established in one-off AfDs. Curbon7 (talk) 21:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Nice try to start for deletion on other peers who was sat in the House of Lords. Where your leader Timothy Blue? Well, who care the position in the House of Lords was hereditary or election won? You should note that their Era not same, so political positions are may vary. Plus, I dont understand why the nominator JMWt trying gave wrong example? A members of the National People's Congress and British old parliament are not same. of course, A standing committee member of CCP is also enough to pass WP:NPOL. Donttake it WP:IDONTLIKE.
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Keep Notability established. Added a reference. Coldupnorth (talk) 08:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. One point that's been missed in the discussion above is that his inherited Scottish peerage did not entitle him to a seat in the House of Lords; the Viscountcy created in 1911 did. Maybe that has more to do with the political connections of the Master of Elibank than his father, but a Conservative being added to the House of Lords under the last majority Liberal administration suggests to me that something more than routine was going on here. Choess (talk) 13:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, presumably WP:NPOL doesn't apply..? In which case the above claims of 'automatic notability' doesn't apply either. Edit: maybe I've misunderstood your point. Are you saying he was or wasn't in the HoL? Edit 2: I'm wrong, your point is that it wasn't an inherited HoL seat. JMWt (talk) 18:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep good article and a member of British nobility thanks Briannemartindale (talk) 23:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Logan Cousins

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Young footballer played a few minutes in a cup game. Does not yet meet GNG, only gets passing mentions and routine coverage. The article in a club magazine isn't independent. Could also be draftified as an ATD. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 08:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 14:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Not enough of a career to draftify. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamid Reza Seyedi

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BLP fails WP:GNG and all relevant biography guidelines. The basic problem is a lack of WP:SIGCOV in any sources. Quick review of existing sources: 1, 3/8, and 4 are WP:ROUTINE/WP:TRIVIAL coverage, not significant mentions. Source 2 has no reference to the subject. 5, 9 and 10 are primary source bios. 6 and 7 are trivial mentions in lists of speakers. 11-15 are references to the subject's own writing and thus ineligible for notability. A WP:BEFORE search turns up no additional sources to point to notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohamed Adah

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Fails WP:GNG. These sources are lacking in WP:SIGCOV, and some are unreliable and clearly not independent of the subject. Full of promotional fluff and stuff like that. Fails WP:BASIC too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Promotional non notable article. The sources does look WP:ROUTINE, and this is usually problems we have with businessmen and philanthropist. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Bongofari

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Apart from lacking sources to reliable sources, the article doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Danila Kashin

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Per WP:SINGLEEVENT. The remaining sources are news articles. Skepsiz (talk) 18:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Devarishi Dasa Asamoah

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There is no significant coverage in reliable sources. The first source was published by a contributor on a site that doesn't appear reliable. The second and third sources are practically identical, providing nothing about the subject beyond a name drop. This fails to meet the criteria of WP:GNG and WP:NBIO imo. GSS ^💬 15:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The sources used are to establish the subject as a spiritual leader of Hare Krsna Movement in Ghana. Most of the stub centers around this. As the author of this stub, I do not have access to any information on anything else other than this. It may be a little short for a biography, but the beauty of Wikipedia is that another contributor may carry on the work that has been started. Heatrave (talk) 17:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for the reasons stated by the nominator. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryland Adams

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This subject is far from notable by Wikipedia’s standards. There is a major lack of significant coverage addressing the subject directly, and the ones that do mention the subject fall short of being reliable sources. Majority of the sources listed are the subjects own YouTube channel or to instagram posts, see WP:NOSOCIAL. The subject falls incredibly short of the standards that are in place by Wikipedia to establish notability, as being married to someone famous does not make someone notable. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 01:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet the criteria set by Wikipedia to establish notability.

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Merge to Shane Dawson: Certainly some major publications with news articles on him (People, Business Insider, Cosmopolitan), but only in his relation to Shane Dawson. It is a highly likely search term that can be redirected and merged. Why? I Ask (talk) 22:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I saw some really prestigious articles but all mentioning the subject as the partner of Shane Dawson. I think a merge makes perfect sense in this case. 4theloveofallthings (talk) 23:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nick Winton

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPERSON. Lack of quality independent WP:SIGCOV, some cited awards don't seem to check out. Previously PRODded, no indication that the subject is notable or outstanding in their field. Content is WP:NOTRESUME. Likely WP:COI, possibly undisclosed WP:PAID, the creator appears to work only on topic closely related to the commercial entity that the subject has an interest in. Melmann 20:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: First see User:JNY D/sandbox/Nick Winton, submitted for review and an attempt to game the system. Second, fails WP:BIO. Are the awards even significant? WP:VANISPAMCRUFTISEMENT applies. WP:ROTM architect doing his hob 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 21:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That user subpage is now redirected to the article we are discussing. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This is a paid contribution. Please see the user talk page of the creating editor, where they have disclosed the details, albeit imperfectly 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Further to above, the paid disclosure only happened after this nomination and more importantly, after the WP:PAID edits were made. Melmann 08:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nomination and Timtrent, company has won a few awards and some coverage in RS, but not Winton on his own. Wikishovel (talk) 04:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zaira Meneses

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This article does not meet the notability guidelines outlined in WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. It was accepted through AfC by an inexperienced user. The reference to The New York Times is merely a passing mention and is behind a paywall. Hitro talk 13:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - I have added in citations and removed statements where I could not find reliable sources. I think the best coverage of her work is here.^[12]^[13]^[14] As noted above, the New York Times article also includes a few sentences on her performance in New York; I think that this is an acceptable citation even if it is behind a paywall or available at ProQuest. DaffodilOcean (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My mention of the paywall was merely for informational purposes and not to express any opposition to the source. Whether behind a paywall or freely accessible, a good reference is always valuable. Hitro talk 11:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Bigg Boss 17: Sana Raees Khan On Equation With Vicky Jain - "If He Would Have Come Alone..."
^ "Aryan Khan's lawyer Sana Raees Khan lands in trouble for participating in Salman Khan's 'Bigg Boss 17'".
^ "Aryan Khan's lawyer Sana Raees Khan gets involved in another controversy, Faizan Ansari calls her 'FRAUD' and 'CRIMINAL'".
^ "Bigg Boss 17 Under Fire: Bombay HC Lawyer Complains To Bar Council Over Advocate Sana Raees Khan's Participation In Show".
^ "Sana Raees Khan's Legal brilliance prevails, secures win".
^ "Aryan Khan's lawyer Sana Raees Khan talks about how we can tackle issue of body shaming – 'Education and awareness'".
^ "Supreme court lawyer Sana Raees Khan proves her mettle once again, wins case representing builder Indrapal Patil in the infamous Bhiwandi building collapse case".
^ "Bigg Boss 17: Meet Sana Raees Khan, Lawyer Of Sheena Bora And Aryan Khan Drug Cases".
^ "Advocate Sana Raees Khan becomes contestant in Hindi reality show 'Bigg Boss'".
^ "Bigg Boss 17 fame Sana Raees Khan bags web series titled The Indrani Mukerjea Story: Buried Truth".
^ "BB 17's Sana Raees Khan Defends Indrani Mukerjea In Buried Truth Docu-Series; Shares Promo".
^ Shaw, Punch (2008-05-24). "Guitarists' concert is well worth the wait". Fort Worth Star-Telegram. pp. A16. Retrieved 2024-05-17.
^ Siegel, Steve (2013-10-06). "Music is family affair for guitarist Eliot Fisk". The Morning Call. pp. [1], [2]. Retrieved 2024-05-17.
^ Small, Mark (2021). "An Afro-Cuban Legacy". Acoustic Guitar ; San Anselmo. No. 331. pp. 30–33 – via Proquest.

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Delete: The Ny Times is a trivial mention; all I find are streaming sites and record label profiles. Nothing to satisfy musical notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Hennessey

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Lacking of citations and General Notability Bennyaha (talk) 04:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As always, the notability test for actors is not automatically passed just because the article contains a list of roles sourced to IMDb or an IMDb-like directory — it requires passing WP:GNG on reliable source coverage about him and his work in media and/or books, of which there's absolutely none shown here. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from article creator (before we hit this AFD's normal deadline): This is one of several artifacts from the time I focused on Care Bears content (as a fan back then; my kidvid interests have long since shifted). Hennessey was the voice of Brave Heart Lion, a Care Bear Cousin. ("Charge!")

As for viable sources, this starting point might not amount to enough, but this is the most in-depth writeup I could find. From here, it's up to the S.S. Cunard (talk · contribs) and others of interest to find a few more out there someplace.

Zekas, Rita (1990-06-03). "Dan Hennessey -- Care Bears". The Toronto Star Video & Home Entertainment. p. 19. Retrieved 2024-05-23 – via Newspapers.com.

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Maratha invasion of Awadh

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Full of WP:SYNTH and WP:OR mess, fails notability as we don't find "Maratha invasion of Awadh" in the sources (clearly made up by the starter of article), instead there are several other events like "Invasion of Bhadawar", "raid on Delhi" and "Battle of Jalesar". Clearly the author has mixed up several battles and conflicts to get this resulted article. Based Kashmiri (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, As per above comment Rawn3012 (talk) 08:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basically you are selecting articles for deletion for no reason in actual, you may don't like these article just say it. Combination of those articles has been disscussed long ago and admins gave the permission to Merge it DeepstoneV (talk) 14:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll just avoid your first three lines because I want productive discussion, only suggest you to go through WP:AADP. For the rest, I guess you're referring to this discussion but no one is there proposed for merging it in a new article named "Maratha invasion of Awadh" It's just the opinion of ImperialAficionado. The result of the discussion was delete not merge. Admins didn't give permission to merge it. And stop removing the AFD template. Based Kashmiri (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The article "Maratha invasion of Awadh" is not supported by any reliable sources rather the user who created the page just pushed his POV by adding different battles together in a single article. Moreover The New Cambridge History of India Vol 2 Part 4 pg 125 clearly states that Bajirao 1737 expedition (including Delhi) was indecisive not a Mughal victory, also this is a reliable source. Here is the exact quotation from the book; The campaign of 1737 was indecisive, though Bajirao attacked Delhi, even briefly holding the Emperor to ransom. So even results are not appropriate in the different individual battles which are mixed up and displayed here. Mohammad Umar Ali (talk)

Delete or Merge This was a prelude of Bhopal campaign better known as Battle of Bhopal.

I better say that delete this as this totally consisted on WP:SYNTH or merge this in Battle of Bhopal as this was the prelude of the campaign. The whole of Bajirao campaign in Delhi was resulted in Bhopal and annexation of Malwa according to Jaswant Lal Mehta and other WP:RS. पापा जी (talk) 04:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yevgeny Slyusarenko

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An ordinary Russian journalist. There is no noticeable importance.--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 23:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I have written the article and I made sure it satisfies WP:N by adding references to multiple reliable sources. The nomination does not address the point. Obviously keep. --Ymblanter (talk) 07:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: There is need for amendment with WP:NJOURNALIST as it doesn't help with AFDs. The article has been appointed by notable newspapers including referenced by Gazeta.Ru is enough to meet WP:SNG for journalist. The problem is who is really a journalist? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fahim Rahim

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Advertisement (and possible self-written resume) of an unnotable kidney doctor and small scale philanthropist. Article itself was written by one User:Khocon, a sockpuppeteer. We also have an article for Fahim's brother which might also be worthy of deletion. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This BLP appears to be highly PROMO, written by a blocked sockpuppet, and reads more like a resume to promote themselves and their business. While the subject has won some awards, it's unclear if any of them are notable. According to ANYBIO, we may have to keep the BLP if any of the awards are significant. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Parvinder Singh

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:NCRIC. He has played in domestic-level cricket.. but does not appear to meet the notability requirement maintained by the cricket wikiproject. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. A substantial domestic career, with 8 centuries and a high score of 203 not out; sources in Indian print media are bound to exist, his career isn't one which will go without coverage. AA (talk) 22:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as there doesn't appear to be any significant coverage here. GoldRomean (talk) 01:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - beside his Cricinfo profile which gives a career overview, there looks to be a fair bit of coverage regarding individual innings. Hindustan Times 26 November 2009, Telegraph India 2 November 2013, The Statesman 7 January 2009, Indian Express 20 November 2012. He has played at the highest level of domestic cricket and this seems sufficient coverage to justify an article. --JP (Talk) 08:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Primary match reports are routine news and per NSPORT and NOTNEWS do not count towards notability, and that is all I'm finding for the subject (including among the links above). Sportspeople are required to have IRS SIGCOV cited in their article, regardless of their achievements and regardless of where or when they played. JoelleJay (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

SIGCOV not regarding individual matches also exists if you look hard enough. --JP (Talk) 07:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That does go somewhat beyond a routine transactional report, so I'll reconsider my !vote. I'm not overly familiar with what's routine in cricket outside of match reports, though, so I'm going to ping @Wjemather for his input. JoelleJay (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Think there's enough here in what JP has found for a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hüseyin Baş

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:ANYBIO or WP:GNG. Never elected to any political office that makes one inherently notable, not enough source to establish GNG too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amber K

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Article is a BLP of a non-notable author, references are self-published sources inc Facebook. No particular claim of notability, says she's exec director of some company but that's not immediately verifiable from their home page. She taught some courses at some organisations, that seems to be about it. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I say keep, see amazon link

https://www.amazon.com/stores/Amber-K/author/B0958H3NY3?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

I have her Covencraft on my shelf.

I have no idea who you think you are when a simple google search can confirm

A)who she is

B)what books she wrote.

I say we nominate your account for deletion Timknit (talk) 13:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone can write a book, we need confirmation of critical reviews of her books. Oaktree b (talk) 13:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

— Timknit (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Delete: Doesn't pass AUTHOR, I can't find book reviews. I don't see anything other than books for sale on the usual platforms. Nothing for biographical notability as I can't find articles about this individual either. Oaktree b (talk) 18:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* Keep: The page is in need of expansion and updating, not deletion. Amber K has writing books since the 1980s, the selection listed on the page is incomplete, as a cursory search for "Almber K bibliography" will indicate. Reviews of her books are likewise easily found on reviews sites, such as Goodreads, and her publisher's official sites as well. Ardantane, her "some company", is an independent, registered 501c3 non-profit corporation established in 1996 in the state of New Mexico and is one of the few Nationally recognized Pagan Schools in the United States. She is also a former First Officer (President) of Covenant of the Goddess (COG), an international organization of Wicca and Witchraft covens and practitioners, whih was founded in 1975. Amber K is also the originator of COG's Youth Service Award "The Hart and Crescent", which was originally designed for those in Scouting, may be earned by youth who are not Scouts as well.

When I have time, I will work on improving the article, provided that it is kept.

(POV: As an aside, I find it questionable that a new Wikipedian's earliest activities on the platform are to suggest articles for deletion.) Ashareem (talk) 00:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did notice the Goodreads reviews but I don't belive user generated content counts towards notability any more than the period of time over which books were written or the particular tax registration of a given organisation. -- D'n'B-t -- 10:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User-generated content can't be used for notability; that's part of the issue, can't seem to find any critical reviews in sites that aren't blogs or user-generated sites Oaktree b (talk) 20:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Muhamad Sharip Othman

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I could not find out if this person passes WP:GNG and WP:NBIO, not to mention the page contains some pretty shady and unsourced information. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:50, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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keep

good article for others to read minus all of the red lining

just needs the red lining fixed and it will look good thanks Briannemartindale (talk) 23:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I did not find any other WP:RS besides the one on the article, failing both WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 19:25, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baker Ninan Fenn

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Non-notable religious figure. Half of the hits I get from searching for sources (string:"baker ninan fenn") are non-responsive; the other half are useless as sources for Fenn. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind WP:BLP also applies here! —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus. BLP is irrelevant as to his notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yakob Elias

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Non-notable religious figure. Source search (string:"yakob elias") returns nothing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:38, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind WP:BLP also applies here! —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus. BLP is irrelevant as to his notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Clean up and sourcing is not deletion. A Metropolitan of a major diocese is notable by virtue of his office per WP:BISHOPS. I still believe sources may exist offline. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 02:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anthonios Yaqu'b

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Non-notable religious figure; both sources in the article are 404-compliant. Search for sources (string: "anthonios yaqub") turns up nothing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: The sources have been fixed to not be dead; the first is of unknown authorship and the second doesn't discuss Yaqu'b in depth (though "Yaq'ub" gets name-dropped a fair bit). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 22:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind WP:BLP also applies here! —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus. BLP is irrelevant as to his notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abraham Julios

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Non-notable religious figure. Google search (string:"abraham julios") turns up barely anything, and the lot of it is unusable as sources. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind WP:BLP also applies here! —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus. BLP is irrelevant as to his notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mathew Moolakkatt

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Non-notable religious figure. The only sources I can find that discuss him at length (string: "Mathew Moolakkatt") are tied to a controversy and legal case about Catholic marriage practises. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind WP:BLP also applies here! —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:05, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus. BLP is irrelevant as to his notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thomas Koorilos

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Non-notable religious figure. Google search (string:"thomas koorilos") turns up no usable sources what-so-ever, mainly profiles and name-drops. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 20:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Diocesan bishops of major denominations have generally been held to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point me to a specific policy or discussion that supports that position? Bear in mind WP:BLP also applies here! —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:04, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus. BLP is irrelevant as to his notability. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BLP is, however, relevant to what sort of content the article can have. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 15:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aleksandr Surikov (diplomat)

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Fails GNG and NBIO. Recently deceased Russian diplomat. Sources found in article and BEFORE fail WP:SIRS. Source eval:

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Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	1. www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject.	2. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 29, 2017 No. 348 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Mozambique”" . Archived from the original on 2019-01-26 . Retrieved 2017-09-14 .
Government decree, fails WP:IS, does not contain SIGCOV about the subject.	3. ^ "Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of February 16, 2018 No. 76 “On the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation in the Kingdom of Swaziland on a part-time basis”" . Archived from the original on 2018-02-16 . Retrieved 2018-02-16 .
Government obit, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	4. ^ www.mid.ru https://www.mid.ru/ru/activity/shots/vnutrivedomstvennye_novosti/nekrologi_pamyati_kolleg/1949977/ . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .
Obit based on government sources, fails WP:SIRS, all the normal obit problems plus the Russian government should not be considered a reliable source	5. ^ "Russian Ambassador to Mozambique Died" . TACC (in Russian) . Retrieved 2024-05-13 .

BEFORE found name mentions and government statements they released, and an interview, nothing meet WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from independent reliable sources. // Timothy :: talk 02:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: First and foremost, lower your tone while nominating the article for deletion. Secondly, government decrees can be used as secondary sources as if you can type the full name in a Russian, many sources will pop up, (in Russian of course), apart from the official government statement. Here's my third point, he is the ambassador to Mozambique, the highest office of any diplomat in office. Would you delete the ambassador of the United States of Mozambique for that reason? Ivan Milenin (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

he is the ambassador to Mozambique, the highest office of any diplomat in office Ambassadors are not inherently notable, several hundred have been deleted. LibStar (talk) 03:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 3 of the sources are primary. The other is routine coverage of his unfortunate death. Fails WP:BIO. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 03:58, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I'm leaning to keep, but if if it's drafted... I wouldn't be surprised as well.Ivan Milenin (talk) 05:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sione Fonua

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Fan sites and blogs are generally not regarded as reliable sources. Shinadamina (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest a procedural keep as no rationale for deletion has been presented. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/weak keep There's coverage of his World Cup appearances, and his post playing career in law. I think there's enough here for a keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rugbyfan22 The coverage I see are stats pages and mentions. I do not see any in-depth coverage on the individual which is needed to show notability. If you see such coverage, please post the links. Shinadamina (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Diogo Gama

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Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC Shinadamina (talk) 07:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest a procedural keep as no rationale for deletion has been presented. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep: WP:CSK#1 applies as no deletion rationale has been presented. Let'srun (talk) 21:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize, I have added the rationale now. Shinadamina (talk) 07:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2007 Rugby World Cup squads#Portgual Featured at a World Cup and for a minor nation, struggling to see suitable sourcing but there maybe more offline. Redirect a suitable WP:ATD for now. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A week has not passed since the rationale was added. It should have been there the moment the AfD was posted, not tagged on later. This should have been closed immediately for lack of rationale. The original lack of rationale suggests WP:BEFORE issue. The lack of rationale other than noting lack of sources, including failure to discuss notability, still suggests WP:BEFORE issue. Do we know anything about the individual covered by the article? Did the nominator "take reasonable steps to search for reliable sources"? Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 03:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have searched google and unable to find proper news articles on this individual. If you can find any, please post here.Shinadamina (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rusking Pimentel

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As far as I can tell, there's pretty much zero coverage of this person outside of the routine announcements, and NPOL doesn't extend to everybody working in the office of the state level politicans in question. Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:37, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : I looked into it and found the following new sources which are independent and have significant coverage: [33], [34], [35]. This a notable subject and fulfills the WP:NPOL as well.

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Natalia Mitsuoka

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG with the SkateToday article already in the article in addition to [[36]]. Let'srun (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Harish Kumar Gupta

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Resume vanity BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Appears to be mainly sourced from a LinkedIn resume and government bio page (both fail WP:IS, WP:RS), with other refs being routine mill news and name mentions. Government service awards are routine, not meeting WP:ANYBIO. // Timothy :: talk 15:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Page reads as resume for job application. Things he did or delegated as correctional officer and none of it is a significant achievement and widely known to warrant a page on the subject. Fails WP:BIO and notability. RangersRus (talk) 13:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Head of the police of Andhra Pradesh, a major state of India. For those used to state police forces having a limited role, state police forces in India are huge and provide all policing in the state. Clearly notable and sources satisfy WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Martín Gaitán

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All citations are profiles. No news coverage can be found. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Not sure a proper WP:BEFORE has been done on this one. A simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing sourcing, and foreign Wikipedias also have sourcing. Given his career with a number of caps and World Cup appearances as well as playing in Europe this isn't particularly surprising. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I find a bit of coverage for a blind football player [37], but there is no coverage for this rugby person. Delete for a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: French wiki article lists what seem to be newspaper stories about this person, but there are no online links to them, so I can't evaluate how good they are. Oaktree b (talk) 23:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Keep, per the offline sources at the French Wikipedia and per Rugbyfan22. The titles seem to translate to "Gaïtan: 'hope'", "The pleasure of Gaïtan", "Martin Gaitan, the miraculous", and "The eye of Martin Gaitan", all of which, based on the titles, appear to be highly likely significant coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gonçalo Foro

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career, albeit for a minor nation, however a simple search is bringing up coverage. I imagine there will highly likely be more offline or not easily accessible non-English language sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Having an extensive career is not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Silviu Florea

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career with 3 World Cups, a considerable number of caps and appearances in major competitions. A simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe these help:
I'm not saying that each of these are "in-depth coverage", but they may help someone looking to add sources to the article, so it can be kept. Razvan Socol (talk) 17:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

#2 is a primary source, but the third article seems to have some pretty good coverage... JTtheOG (talk)

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Keep per the references added above, which establish notability. Frank Anchor 03:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lotu Filipine

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Only one brief article exists [here https://www.looptonga.com/business/lotu-filipine-wins-500-cash-digicel-tonga-easter-promotion-91903], which is not enough. Shinadamina (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: the article I linked to, is not even about his career and may not be him. Shinadamina (talk) 19:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's also a sexual harassment incident when he was captain of the Tonga under-21 team [38]. There should be more on this, but it would require digging in NewzText, which I don't have access to. IdiotSavant (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep World Cup player and a simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing coverage. There is likely more coverage offline also from the time of his career and locations of his playing career. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Strictly Ballroom (band) (3rd nomination)

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Daniel Kokotajlo (AI researcher)

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Almost all sources show that Kokotajlo is notable only because of his controversial resignment from OpenAI. There are no profiles of him or his research, and I can't find any info that he won any major award or led a major team, etc. Wikipedia is not a news site, and I think that the policy says exactly this: Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Subjects_notable_only_for_one_event and Wikipedia:What BLP1E is not. Artem.G (talk) 08:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Juan Astorga Junquera

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Will Carl Rufus

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Does not appear to meet WP:NBIO or WP:ACAD. Only thing that comes close to WP:GNG is a obituary in Popular Astronomy from 1948. nf utvol (talk) 15:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. As well as the two obituaries already listed in the article, I added six reviews of two books, making a weak case for WP:AUTHOR (weak because one is an edited volume). I think for an academic of his pre-internet time, that's enough. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marilyn I. Walker

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No significant coverage. May be notable, but insufficient sources for an article. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 02:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Donating money to a university and getting something named after you in return (the Marilyn I Walker School of Fine and Performing Arts at Brock University) is not cause for notability, unless it leads to in-depth independent coverage, and even then it would be only one event. I found one published review of her one book [39] calling it a failure in meeting the purpose of its title, and useless for scholarship, but maybe nice as a coffee table book. Negativity aside, one review of one book isn't enough for WP:AUTHOR.

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Comment/question - is this a case where a redirect is more appropriate? The Brock University article has a section on the Marilyn I. Walker School of Fine and Performing Arts. Almost all the coverage in newspapers.com talks about the building of the school. I imagine people will look up her name in that context, and a redirect to the section on the Brock University article would be useful. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martha O'Kennon

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Retired professor with single-digit number of publications, one with 24 citations on Google Scholar and all the rest less than 10, far from enough for WP:PROF. All sources are by her or from her employer, inadequate for WP:GNG. This was already draftified and restored to article space (by copy & paste) without any significant improvement; for draft history see [40]. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:41, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Record looks far short of WP:NPROF, and no other notability is apparent. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:00, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. She also does not meet WP:BASIC. I found one news article talking about art pieces she makes, and nothing more. DaffodilOcean (talk) 10:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Search turned up nothing to meet notability on any standard. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nothing came up in a search that would indicate any sort of notability. Also of note, the article creator Davidpgca (talk · contribs) appears to be a WP:SPA dedicated to writing articles on Albion College related people and topics, including a number that may or may not meet notability standards. nf utvol (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment that, looking through images contributed by Davidpgca [41], all the images appear to be tagged as "own work". That appears to be true for very few of them (in particular, not for the ones that are 80 years old). Anyone know how to report at Commons? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that myself. I have gone in and tagged the items that are not clearly in the public domain for removal on the basis that this user is not the owner of the works. nf utvol (talk) 01:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. She seems to have led a neat life, but not one that rises quite to the level of encyclopedic notability. BD2412 T 16:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as per the arguments above. -Samoht27 (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcelo Moraes Caetano

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Article is full of puffery and reads like a résumé/autobiography. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. Sgubaldo (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. GS citations show negligible impact as yet. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The Speech Prof

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A search returned only primary sources; I could not find any evidence that he meets GNG. JSFarman (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There's not a useful source in the article for notability with some blatantly unreliable such as LinkedIn, Bored Panda and The Social Strategy which is an influencer agency. S0091 (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep As a good faith, i can see the subject passes WP:BASIC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeltPees (talk • contribs) 03:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BASIC still requires reliable independent secondary sources with non-trivial coverage which is not met. S0091 (talk) 13:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. See related AfD (same article creator, MeltPees) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gayathri Vivekanandan —David Eppstein (talk) 06:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Only Google News results are for the same event + one paragraph for a different event, and I don't think the outlets are reliable either. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Can't find any sources which meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 16:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A community college instructor is extremely unlikely to pass WP:PROF, and we have no independent evidence that he even is a community college instructor, leaving only WP:GNG as a possibility. But dubiously-reliable coverage of a single event isn't good enough for that either. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sabiha Mehzabin Oishee

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There are no claims to notability, and nothing in the sources suggests subject passes WP:GNG. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 05:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete - Fails WP:GNG. Can be a speedy deletion. -AlbeitPK (talk) 07:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Kazi Shameem Farhad

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Fails WP:GNG and possibly involve a COI. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 05:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete - Agree with the nominator. -AlbeitPK (talk) 07:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Omid Mehrpour

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Lacks significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. The current sources do not provide the required coverage about the subject, as they are either passing mentions, profiles, or not reliable. GSS ^💬 10:14, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This subject deserves a Wikipedia Page as per WP:Academics. It fulfills The criteria for academic personals.
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- WP:NACADEMIC
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As per the criteria, a subject is considered notable if it fulfills one of the listed criteria. In this case the subject fulfills 1 or more of the WP:Academics criteria as following.

Criteria 1a: Highly Cited publications

•The subject is among top 2% of highly cited scientists according to the Stanford/Elsevier database. 1

•The subject has also high citation metrics on Google scholar. 2 Here below is the list of some scholars with equal status having Wikipedia page and lesser citations on google scholar than this subject for comparison:

1. Ahmad Reza Djali, his Google Scholar Metrics 3

2. Saba Valadkhan, her google scholar Metrics 4

3. Neda Alijani, his google scholar Metrics 5

Criteria 1d: The subject has served as editorial board member of known scientific journals. 6 7 8 9 10

Criteria 1e. The subject had been selected in competitive fellowships 11 12

Criteria 2: The subject has been awarded academic awards. 13

As per the criteria for academic peoples, the subject is notable enough for having separate Wikipedia page. Joidfybvc (talk) 10:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Justin English

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This BLP appears to be of a reasonably successful but otherwise ordinary early-career professor. I can't find evidence of any of the WP:NACADEMIC criteria, nor biographical coverage for WP:GNG. Citations are decent (?) but I don't think it's enough for NACADEMIC#1. Note that the "award" listed -- "the NIH Director's New Innovation Award" -- does not satisfy NACADEMIC#2 since it's actually just grant funding, not a personal honor. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support as per nomination. He seems to have had a decent career so far and maybe will meet the notability criteria in the future, but I have to agree this article doesn't seem to meet WP:NACADEMIC at present. I noticed, though, that it was a successful AFC submission. It would be good to have the opinion of the editors involved in that process so pinging Eastmain (talk · contribs) and Qcne (talk · contribs). Adam Black ^{t • c} 00:13, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the ping @Adam Black GB. I felt it was borderline passing WP:NACADEMIC, and I guess I'm an inclusionist instead of an exclusionist when it comes to borderline articles. Happy to defer to consensus in this case. Qcne (talk) 08:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your work at AfC. For the record I do think it made sense to accept at AfC -- the article writing is solid and it's perfectly plausible that someone at this career stage could be notable (unlike a lot of AfC submissions about grad students/postdocs). I think AfC should lean inclusionist at the borderline. But when I looked at it with my NPP hat on, I felt like it merited a deletion discussion. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 00:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I added the primary sources tag during New Page Review when I didn't have time to review the citation record but hesitated to bring to AfD since it had just gone through AfC successfully. It is troublesome that so many sources in the piece are to his own writing/lab, including those purporting to evaluate his impact according to the NACADEMIC criteria. Upon further review this evening I agree with the nominator that there is not enough to support notability under GNG, NBIO or NACADEMIC at this time. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While quite impressive for an early career researcher, his citations are well below what would be expected of a notable academic in his subfield. 59/80 of his coauthors -- including students and techs, not only professors -- have a higher h-index than he has (8), and for NPROF C1 we would want to see someone who was in at least the top 20% of just the professors/senior researchers. I'm surprised this got through AfC. JoelleJay (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree with your conclusion, but that's a...strange rationale. At least, it's oriented towards very hierarchical disciplines. Why should someone have to build a big pool of lesser researchers around themselves in order to become notable? The goal should be to make one's own research as good as possible by working with other people who are as good as possible, and to push one's students to be as successful as possible, preferably even better than oneself. Instead, your criterion would judge people to be most successful when they surround themselves by lesser researchers, when their student coauthors are all failures who never go on to anything, so that those people stand out the most among them. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant in this specific case I would have needed to see him in the top 20% of his professor coauthors for me to reconsider him for C1. In subfields like his where papers can have many collaborators from diverse career stages and institutions, and for subjects with a clearly low citation profile, it's easier to justify thresholding at particular quintiles. If he had a more edge-case citation profile and was publishing exclusively with coauthors from one or two institutions I would of course incorporate more factors into my evaluation. JoelleJay (talk) 00:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:Too soon. Citations not really yet adequate in this highly cited field. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. As usual, I am unimpressed by middle author (in a field where that matters) on highly coauthored and only moderately-cited papers. Looks WP:TOOSOON at best for NPROF. Little other sign of notability. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The comments above citing WP:Too soon are spot on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atlassian (talk • contribs) 21:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amélie Chekroun

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Academic biography that does not meet WP:GNG, WP:NBIO or WP:NACADEMIC. Their articles and books are not widely cited and there is no available significant coverage in independent secondary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete clearly fails NACADEMIC (it seems she is not a professor, let alone one of the special types that is presumed notable), and a web search found no significant coverage, independent or otherwise. Toadspike [Talk] 14:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Her citation record is not yet strong enough for WP:PROF, I don't see any books that could pass WP:AUTHOR, and her position (chargée de recherche au CNRS) is still pretty junior. Directrice de recherche (the next level up) would be more likely to be notable, although still not something that leads to automatic notability. (A note, though, re the previous comment "not a professor": the French system separates academic researchers from academic teachers more than the US or UK ones do, and she is on the research track. "Professor", in the French system, is the top teaching-track position. But our notability criteria favor research over teaching. So it is entirely possible that she may become notable in a few years despite not being so now.) —David Eppstein (talk) 17:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lutz Heinemann

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Despite the wealth of sources about this subject, I could not find one that is independent (i.e. not published by an institution or company he's affiliated with). There are one or two interviews, but these also do not count towards notability. The WP:GNG is not met, and I do not think any criteria from WP:NPROF apply here. Toadspike [Talk] 18:33, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep >30,000 citations according to Google Scholar suggests that criterion 1 of WP:PROF has been met.Uhooep (talk) 18:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep: per Uhooep, although I could be convinced either way. Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Looking at the most cited papers on GS, they are also highly coauthored. Middle author (in a field where that matters) on a highly coauthored paper does not convince me of so much. However, I am seeing enough highly cited papers as first or last author that I think this is a pass of NPROF. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Week keep, for the same reasons as Russ. Like experimental physics, clinical medicine is extremely highly-cited and flooded with consortium findings and recommendations with hundreds of coauthors, which really should not count at all towards any author's citation record. Even so, within Heinemann's top 10 articles on Scopus I count 5 research pieces that have fewer than 15 coauthors (including two as first-author), totaling over 2200 citations. My !vote is "weak" only because it is hard to tell whether that is typical among diabetes clinical researchers and I'm not particularly inclined to write a script analyzing the low-author-number scholarly output of his 1000+ coauthors. JoelleJay (talk) 16:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abhijit Mukherjee (earth scientist)

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Not notable Akeosnhaoe (talk) 13:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As per my checking, I found no reliable secondary sources with in-depth coverage that can establish notability. The sources are just passing mentions, and the subject fails to meet the WP:GNG criteria. The majority of the article is also unsourced. GrabUp - Talk 15:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as passes WP:PROF criteria 1 with well cited works as shown at Google Scholar here and has won a notable award Shanti Swarup Bhatnagar Prize for Science and Technology so deserves to be included, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, it fulfils the notability criterion as per WP:PROF since the person received the SS Bhatnagar Prize, the highest science award in India. Pinakpani (talk) 06:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, the subject has 6400 citations and an h-index of 45 on Scopus, as well as multiple first-author papers with 100+ citations. Passes C1 and probably C2. JoelleJay (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above passes WP:PROF.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suzanne Pierre

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Doesn't meet WP:NACADEMIC criteria; for example, publication output with 46 citations in total from 4 documents doesn't suggest significant impact in the field. The 'selected publications' seems to be all publications. There is evidence of grants (one in the form of the award), but none seem to sufficient to meet the prize criteria of WP:NBIO. Klbrain (talk) 16:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I think that it's far WP:TOOSOON for NPROF for this 2018 PhD, although the citation record is a reasonable start. The scholarships and grants do not carry much weight for notability, although they may help the subject eventually become notable. Little sign of GNG; I thought there might be some coverage of the national geographic connection, but it looks like this is mostly (only?) another early career award/grant. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. SPA-created fanpage. Subject has H-index of 4 on 70 total citations. 128.252.210.4 (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Kamales Lardi

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Questionable notability and clearly WP:PROMO Amigao (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: There are more than 50 sources in the article which satisfies the significant coverage criteria of Wikipedia. The article should therefore be kept. Dlarrpi (talk) 20:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They aren't about this person though. Oaktree b (talk) 23:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sources 3 and 31 are the only ones in RS and they aren't about this person. Rest are fluff pieces or PR items... I find nothing beyond Forbes Council member pieces, which don't contribute to notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zurab Gurielidze

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Can't find any passable source for WP:ANYBIO. Subject also doesn't pass WP:NPROF inherently. It's also lacking in terms of WP:GNG. Also, can't find good figures in directories like Google Scholar. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gianni Mammolotti

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Doesn't meet WP:NCREATIVE. No in-depth coverage. Can't find anything about him online except an IMDB page. Clear friend a ^💬 21:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Various awards and nominations for Best cinematographer. (https://www.inventaunfilm.it/sei-premi-in-cerca-d-autore-2021-autore-dell-anno-gianni-mammolotti/articoli16539 ; http://www.ilquotidiano.it/articoli/2005/09/25/44313/assegnati-i-4-esposimetri-doro-per-il-premio-gianni-di-venanzo ; https://www.daviddidonatello.it/motore-di-ricerca/cercavincitori2.php?idsoggetto=1679&vin= ; https://www.sherlockmagazine.it/index.php/2942/l-aquila-una-citta-in-nero) May meet WP:ANYBIO. ("The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times") -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC) (edited as there is only 1 Donatello nomination I can verify not more, although the Italian WP mentions 2 (which is not >2) but he has received other awards)[reply]

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Peter Wuteh Vakunta

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Non-notable professor. I can't find a Google Scholar for him; ResearchGate indicates he's only been cited 22 times (which seems too low to meet WP:NPROF). A search for sources only turns up profiles for him and sites hawking his books. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 19:39, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment.Although he does not seem to satisfy WP:NPROF, subject may possibly satisfy WP:AUTHOR (C3). I do see a few reviews of published works; not sure if there is enough, though. Qflib (talk) 00:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jon Forshee

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Bio of a composer/academic fails GNG, NBIO, NACADEMIC, NMUSIC. The independent sources do not show WP:SIGCOV; WP:BEFORE search turns up no other reliable, independent, secondary sources with significant coverage or evidence of notability under any of the other SNG guidelines that might apply. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:06, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- composer/researcher doing good things to advance his career that are pretty typical for composers at this stage. Significantly TOOSOON at this point. On the non-academic side, lacking the awards or major ensembles (those not dedicated to producing student work) to pass notability; on the WP:PROF side, does not have academic appointments or the sort of extensive influence to pass there. (Some of the journals are important in the field, but book/CD reviews are not articles.) -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 01:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are mostly fair points. Not sure what the "TOOSOON" means--too soon to have a wiki article? Regarding academic appointment, a Google search shows that Forshee was a visiting professor and now instructor. As to the ensembles performing Forshee's compositions, the Callithumpian Consort and Trio Kobayashi are, according to their own websites, not dedicated to performing student works (they list Elliott Carter, Schuittke, Huber, Scelsi, Cage, Lachenmann, Richard Barrett, Jürg Frey, Larry Polansky, James Tenney, basically all widely known composers on the international scene). The articles by Forshee don't appear to be book reviews or CD reviews, but neither do they appear to be rigorous scholarly research articles; they seem to be somewhere in between: interpretive analytical essays? The one in Computer Music Journal is an early review of software by the pioneering computer music composer Trevor Wishart. Part of the motivation for this article is that Forshee is one of the few notable (or borderline notable) students of composer Anthony Davis, who just had his Met Opera premiere of his Malcolm X this season. Dolemites (talk) 18:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability cannot WP:INHERITED from Anthony Davis or anyone else; for each subject it must be established independently according to the criteria. No articles by Forshee can be used establish his notability, only what independent and reliable sources have to say about him with "significant coverage." Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amna Malik

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On the fact of it, she appeared in multiple TV shows but she fails to have 'significant role' in them therefore do no meet WP:ACTOR . BTW, this was deleted back in 2020. The creator BeauSuzanne (talk · contribs) wasn't only able to recreate it but they also did their best to conceal the previous deletion discussion, which speaks volumes about their dubious editing nature. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She is a notable actress. She hasn't done main roles but she has done supporting roles in dramas and her recent work in Mayi was noted[42]. In these she mentioned how she switched from teacher to host and then acting.[43] Her peronal life.[44](BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, Supporting roles are not enough to meet WP:NACTOR and the coverages you provided can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - It meets WP:Nactor some sources are written this way from interviews before that I did my search on the sources it's reliable from ARY News, Images Dawn and BOL News it's both in English and Urdu.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    - BeauSuzanne, You've to see WP:ATA. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete it with fire. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Looking at her last few roles in shows with articles, none are significant (not starring or lead support) so she does not meet WP:NACTOR. Sources are interviews, do not mention her and many are not reliable such as The Brown Identity, Something Haute, FUCHSIA Magazine, Masala.com, Dispatch News Desk, etc. S0091 (talk) 15:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I find convincing BeauSuzanne's explanation; some of her roles do seem significant enough and she seems to meet WP:NACTOR indeed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sure, her recent work was "noted" in source 20, but it's a series of photos with maybe 10 lines of text. The rest aren't in RS... Most I can find are interviews or the type of celebrity gossip articles that don't help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lya Stern

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This article is mainly a resume. Most of the sources in the article consist of dead links from websites that are related to Lya Stern; the rest of the sources either have brief mentions of her or don't mention her at all. After doing a Google search to see if there were sources that could be added to the article, the only significant coverage I found of her was from a website that listed Wikipedia as a source. The rest of the information I found was from her YouTube channel and mentions of her from her students. As a result, she doesn't met WP:GNG or WP:NBLP. That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 20:13, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment One source via Newspapers.com goes into some depth. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (Weak) - There is a big gap in WP on instrumental performers who have created the American musical/movie music scene, and in general the encyclopedia is too quick to delete (especially for women and minority performers), but here I think the AfD is correct. The Baltimore Sun article gives a bit of notability, but the other sources do not. A blurb on the back of one's teacher's independently published book is not enough. There needs to be more and I could not find anything that led to more than what a local performing teacher would have. Glad to be proven wrong. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 08:13, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there is a staff written bio at AllMusic here and an album review here to go with the detailed Baltimore Sun article linked earlier by Hameltion. Haven't done a full search yet, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:31, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What does Eudice Shapiro have to do with the subject of this article? That Tired Tarantula^Burrow 23:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just agreeing with That Tired Tarantula above -- @Atlantic306 you have linked to reviews for a different musician. If Lya Stern had an Allmusic staff bio, that would be relevant, but I could not find one. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 01:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that, have struck my vote and comment. In my defence the erroneous AllMusic bio is the first reference in the article but I should have noticed, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom lacks coverage fails WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amir Hossein Hashemi

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doesn't meet WP:GNGACTOR, Non include WP:RSP Claggy (talk) 05:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mark Bauman

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Delete: PROMO. The sourcing used is either primary or passing mentions. Nothing we'd use for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Refer to my /Decode subpage (linked in my signature as "critiques").

I can't assess https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/business/grid-news-site-live.html (walled).
https://www.axios.com/2021/07/10/dc-journalists-launch-media-company is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/grid-news-the-messenger-startup is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop, zero discussion of Bauman.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/tech-exec-invests-in-digital-news-startup-launched-by-veteran-journalists.html is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman; everything seemingly about him is actually claims about the startup attributed to Bauman.
https://digiday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/07/DIGIDAY-MEDIA-AWARDS_Winners-Guide-2023_062923-2.pdf is a non-sequitur.
I can't assess https://www.adweek.com/media/laura-mcgann-has-reimagined-reporting-using-an-intersectional-structurally-focused-approach/ (walled). Given the article is about someone else, I can't imagine this is too useful for an article on Bauman.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181001-is-this-the-last-chance-to-see-the-titanic is useless for notability (too sparse, possibly wrong subject). Shit He Says, no actual discussion of Bauman. I should note that my own search for sources (string: "Mark Bauman") returned primarily non-responsive content, so I would be very concerned about conflating multiple Mark Baumans.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190519214223/https://www.virtualwonders.com/ is useless for notability (website homepage).
https://thinkwellgroup.com/blog/2020/08/21/exploring-the-details-with-virtual-wonders/ is useless for notability (too sparse). No discussion of Bauman.
https://wyse.gmu.edu/mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). I note this bio omits anything involving GRID or any media startups; one would think, given their journalism pedigree is mentioned, that these would be brought up.
https://thepearsoninstitute.org/speaker/mark-bauman is useless for notability (connexion to subject). The image on this page looks like a completely different guy from the WYSE image, disregarding the glasses.
https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/ng-live-engineering-exploration-technology/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject).
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-oct-17-ca-cinefile17_-story.html is useless for notability (too sparse). Shit He Says, no discussion of Bauman.
https://www.documentary.org/column/festival-focus-national-geographic-all-roads-film-festival is useless for notability (too sparse). Name-drop.
We don't cite IMDb (no editorial oversight).
https://www.media.mit.edu/events/media-lab-conversations-series-mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Event programme.
https://www.darwinfoundation.org/en/about/our-people2/board-of-directors/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). He's on the BoD for the Darwin Foundation.
https://www.asoc.org/about/our-team/#board is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Again, BoD.
https://conservefish.org/news/marine-fish-conservation-network-welcomes-tom-sadler-new-deputy-director-mark-bauman-board-directors-member/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject, no editorial oversight). Press release from an organisation he was joining.
https://voicesforbiodiversity.org/about/advisory-board is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.
We can't use https://wyse.gmu.edu/ (website homepage).
https://mediaschool.indiana.edu/news-events/news/item.html?n=media-school-visiting-professors-include-award-winning-media-executive-and-npr-tv-critic is useless for notability (connexion to subject). News from a university who's bringing him on as a guest professor.
https://www.cmu.edu/homepage/creativity/2010/fall/gigapixel-show.shtml is useless for notability (too sparse, connexion to subject). Name-drop in an article about an event CMU is holding.
We can't use either YouTube source (unknown provenance). YouTube videos must be (1) produced by an outlet we would consider to be a reliable source and (2) uploaded to that outlet's verified channel to be linked to, let alone cited.
https://thepearsoninstitute.org/globalforum2022 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Expo held by an organisation he's on the BoD of, and where he was scheduled to speak.
We can't use https://www.erskine.edu/2023/02/07/stukes-lecture-set-for-march-1/ (unknown provenance). No byline; who wrote this? (If this is a press release, it's useless for notability (no editorial oversight).)
https://www.iinteract.org/about-us is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.
https://www.wliw.org/about/awards/ is a non-sequitur.
https://crossingborders.education/people/mark-bauman/ is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Advisory board listing.

None of the sources I can assess are any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, here's a link for the NY Times article, it isn't about the person discussed here, mostly about the Grid website [45] Oaktree b (talk) 23:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baalveer 3

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The series might be notable but not the seasons. None of the seasons is found passing WP:GNG. At present, Ref 1 is about the actor (Dev Joshi), Ref 2 covers trivial, Ref 3 redirects to Mid-Day about actors, Ref 4 is announcement and interview, Ref 5 is interview, Ref 6 is same as 5, Ref 7 press release, Ref 8 is interview about the actors. Twinkle1990 (talk) 14:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Either Keep or Redirect to the 1st season/Main article. If the series/1st season is notable, let's consider this a detailed article about one of the 4 seasons of a notable production. Would thus seem acceptable to me, cf. WP:SIZESPLIT. Coverage is not great but is abundant (a lot of Tellychakkar or Zoom TV articles) or things like: https://www.fridayrelease.com/tv-news-adda/baalveer-season-3-here-are-the-top-5-reasons-to-watch-this-enthralling-sony-sab-show ; it allows verification, though. (Season 4 just started and was also taken to Afd).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:23, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tellychakkar is not a reliable source as per WP:ICTFSOURCES. The ZoomTv and Fridayrelease are similar level sites to Tellychakkar or Bollywoodlife, these sources are looking unreliable to me and can’t establish notability. GrabUp - Talk 18:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, sure; if size is not an issue, redirect and merge it then.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No in-depth coverage from multiple independent reliable sources was found. The series can be notable, but we should not create articles for every season unless there is multiple in-depth coverage from secondary sources, excluding interviews. The article also fails to meet WP:GNG and is similar to the article Baalveer 4. GrabUp - Talk 18:29, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Riksundar Banerjee

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Failing all criteria of WP:NBIO, publishing articles and non notable books not fulfils WP:GNG Pinakpani (talk) 08:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The subject fails to meet WP:GNG as there is no in-depth coverage from independent, reliable secondary sources. However, the subject's book titled "The Book of India Ghosts" may meet WP:AUTHOR criterion number 3, which requires multiple reviews of books to establish notability. There are two reviews available for that particular book, one from The Hindu and one from The Hindu BusinessLine. Both reviews are from different publications and authors. GrabUp - Talk 18:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semmalar Annam

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A quick Google search reveals that this actress may or may not be notable. It is clear that she has no large roles post 2021. Most of her sources are about her role in Ammani which from the way it is credited looks like a supporting/minor role. Not sure how much screen time, she had but it can be considered a level below supporting and above minor.

Her actual supporting/lead roles are in Maadathy and Mmmmm while she had a lead role in Sennai (no article). The roles that she likes to take up are village/dalit roles and the confirmation of her roles can show her notability. She also played a supporting role in Vadham. While her speaking out against the casting couch against dark skinned actresses is laudable, it is also the reason why she could fail WP:NACTOR. She stars in several other commercial films however in very minor roles. Her role in Kalvan lasted a few seconds (no dialogue) and hence original research as many of her roles may be. Other roles that seem minor include "Housewife in Prabhavathy's documentary", "Mother of kidnapped child", "Kid's mother", "Einar clan member" (likely no dialogues), "Cancer-affected girl's mother" and "District Forest Officer".

She is credited second in Thunikaram but the reviewer mentions how [46] Though Semmalar Annam doesn't have much scope to perform, she does a decent job in the given time Her name is not mentioned in the review of Kattumaram and there are no sources for The Tremor. Since the other roles don't add any notability and the fact that she directs short films not feature films, consider the films/series Ammani, Vadham, Sennai, Mmmmm (role name?), and Thunikaram and if her roles are notable or not (main guideline for WP:NACTOR).

Her role in Maadathy is definitely notable: she played the lead character's mother. Semmarlar Annam in a yet another remarkable performance. How long will the mainstream filmmakers ignore her? [47] Sadly, Mmmm has no reviews and Sennai is reviewed by Film Companion (blacklisted) [48] but barely mentions much of her role. A creation of the article Sennai can help her notability [49]. Does Mmmm being sent to Oscars add notability? [50] His role seems more notable (because it's the lead). Vijayan plays a beekeeper while she plays his wife [51]. Her role could be supporting.

Her ommision from mainstream Tamil cinema affects notability greatly as 90% of her films are from there. Her roles were notably removed by editors in Valimai and Bachelor (2021 film) [52] [53], showing how short her roles can be.

Notable roles: (based on screen time)

Year	Film	Role
2019	Maadathy	third to Ajmina Kassim
2021	Sennai	Lead (no article)
2021	Mmmmm	second to I. M. Vijayan

Supporting roles:

Year	Film	Role	Notes
2016	Ammani	credited seventh	subject of multiple sources after the release of the film and none in reviews of the film
2021	Vadham	credited third
2022	Thunikaram	credited second	Despite being credited second, her screen time is less.

None of her other roles are being considered for notability. DareshMohan (talk) 19:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: DareshMohan (I think you forgot to sign), when we talked earlier, I had completely missed the roles in Maadathy, Vadham, Mmmmm and Thunikaram among other things!!! Stupid me. I focused on Sennai. Sorry. She does seem to meet WP:NACTOR with significant roles in notable productions. Added to minor awards and some coverage (although containing mostly interviews), I was wrong to consider she didn't meet the requirements for actors, I think. Apologies if I made you do all this awesome work. I sincerely apologise for having missed those roles.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep and close discussion. I am the nominator. An error occurred at User talk:Mushy Yank#Semmalar Annam where I was hereby motivated to do a redirect via deletion discussion. I had mentioned Maadathy and Mmmmm but at the same time that Mushy Yank edited resulting in an edit conflict. @Mushy Yank: As a compromise, can we make the article neutral, add sources to filmography and expand career section. DareshMohan (talk) 18:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure! Will do my best! (consider signing the 1st part of this Afd, btw, so that we can see you are indeed the nominator:D). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: WP:HEY and WP:SNOW. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Tomar

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Does not meet WP:CREATIVE and the sources appear to be mostly self-published, not reliable, or passing mentions Jayjg ^(talk) 18:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

The nomination for deletion is inaccurate. The appropriate category is WP:ENT, not Creative. Subject meets inclusion standards by a comfortable margin. He has appeared in a notable amount of high profile video games and shows and has working relationships with a notable amount of prominent people within his industry. He also co-owns an animation studio which has been involved with many major projects. He has received an award relevant to his industry that is only given to one person per year. He is a longtime member on a well-established and influential youtube channel.

Many of the acting credits are verified through the IMDB citation, which Wikipedia lists as an acceptable source. His roles are also verified through other databases, as well as specific citations on particular roles, which is why there are citations of passing mentions of him with regard to specific roles.

The article should be kept as the subject qualifies under WP:ENT and the overall sourcing is acceptable; if there are issues with individual sources that could be handled in Talk or through the removal or addition of sources instead of a page deletion. KEP95 (talk) 04:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:ENTERTAINER, no significant roles in any major productions. "Member of the Year Tanky Award" is not a notable award. Also unlike the user said above, IMDB is not an acceptable source in Wikipedia, see WP:IMDB. --Mika1h (talk) 07:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Ling

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British actor who does not pass WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. BEFORE search turns up no additional references whatsoever in reliable sources. Birth and death information come from IMDb, which is WP:USERGENERATED and thus unreliable. Setting aside IMDb, all we know is that he existed and had minor roles in six films. (The BFI database includes references to his name and roles, but no significant coverage.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rik Amrit

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The article lacks significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. The currently cited sources are either passing mentions or unreliable, and a search in Google News did not yield anything useful. GSS ^💬 05:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, although there are number of sources cited, but these are apparently unreliable, could not established the notability as per WP:NBIO. Pinakpani (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, non-notable. Ahmed Reza Khan (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per my check, I looked for in-depth coverage from multiple independent secondary sources but couldn’t find any. The sources are just passing mentions or unreliable. Therefore, the article fails WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 12:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Subject fails WP:BIO with poor sources. Page fails WP:GNG. Subject is not well known who made any significant achievement worthy of notice to warrant a Wikipedia page on. RangersRus (talk) 12:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Redwine

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Salman Muqtadir

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Neil Fitzwiliam

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No significant coverage and not enough major roles. SL93 (talk) 00:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trey Farley

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No significant coverage. Non-notable broadcaster. SL93 (talk) 18:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Baláž (boxer)

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With only primary sources listed, this article clearly fails WP:NBOX and WP:GNG. My Google searches came up with Peter Baláž (Esperantist) and a motorcycle driver, both of which are Slovak, but nothing about a boxer with the same birth name. I can't see this article lasting longer-term on Wikipedia. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 09:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no medal means no notability under WP:NSPORT. Can't find any secondary coverage via a search. BrigadierG (talk) 10:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, subject was the starring role in a movie about himself (Goat (2015 film)), and his involvement was covered by such outlets as The Hollywood Reporter[54]. I'm thankful for the nomination because it gives us a chance to improve the article, although I think the nominator did not do WP:BEFORE by looking up the actor's name with the movie's name (Koza) and addressing those sources. --Habst (talk) 12:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I AM the nominator. Sure, not everyone has the same Google search results. Clara A. Djalim (talk) 10:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, per the excellent find by Habst. A movie about the subject! BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just to be clear, the movie is fiction, about a fictional Olympic champion. This article is about a fighter who badly lost his only Olympic fight in the round of 32. Boxrec shows he won 3 of his 57 pro fights.[55] He's not notable as a boxer, but feel free to debate his notability as an actor. Papaursa (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lika O

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Requested by Demeter39G, Here: The article does not meet the notability criteria and merit. The 1 source is not a reliable source that verifies notability. It is a forum like site for local community, which serves as self published blog. http://ruhollywood.com/2018/11/12/miss-russian-united-states/

4 source is a self published interview on an ads website, not reliable secondary source at all. http://www.spektrummagazine.com/fashion/getting-to-know-lika-osipova/

6 source is an article on a gossips site about dating life of a Russian media person, barelly mentioning the figure of the Wikipedia. https://www.eg.ru/showbusiness/66399/

Sources 7 and 8 are different links to the same poster to the city of the city. It is rather a primary sourse not a secondary source to verify notability. https://www.weho.org/home/showdocument?id=26793

Source 9 - a link to the so called LAF.It is not a film festival, it is a monthly paid competition, not recognized in media or the professional community. The link only mentions name of the person, and does not provide any evidence to verify notability. https://www.lafilmawards.net/single-post/june-2021

To summarize- 6 out of 9 sources used for the page do not meet even closely any possible notability verifications. The figure has barely any professional credits, zero recognition in American or Russian media beyond a self proclaimed pop star status. GrabUp - Talk 05:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Based on my review, I found no in-depth coverage from multiple independent, reliable sources. Most of the cited sources are unreliable or fail to establish notability due to their lack of detailed coverage. I also searched for sources but found nothing that meets the criteria of WP:GNG. GrabUp - Talk 06:09, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As per @Cullen328 recommendation at Teahouse. I already voted by nominating this article. GrabUp - Talk 06:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Grabup, because you simply copy and pasted the other users rationale from the talk page, your own vote is probably okay here. Esolo5002 (talk) 23:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's fine. Cullen was explaining about both sorts of cases, the ones where it would be ok and the ones where it would be irritating. This is not the one where it would be irritating. — Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining. GrabUp - Talk 17:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Nothing found for sourcing, this seems to suggest she might not even be a celebrity [56]. This is all I could find, a photo [57]. I agree with the nom, sources used are not helpful in establishing notability. Oaktree b (talk) 13:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Medium article is just an amazing analysis and a major exposé. Maybe she also paid for this Wikipedia article? GrabUp - Talk 13:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This article was developed on 23 October 2019‎, if you check the article history there were many anonymous edits without a reference which was been undo by many other Wikipedia editors to protect it.

As mentioned in the previous vote, the Medium article as analysed good, but there many Medium article which mentioned by the concern person works, I have also added one article of it. It seems that this article has been targeted by anonymous person.Moharavi (talk)

Comment: @Moharavi Medium.com can’t establish notability as per WP:MEDIUM and the other source that you added is a video that obviously can’t make her notable. Also, I don’t think this article is being targeted; rather, it seems you are just promoting her. GrabUp - Talk 16:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sir @GrabUp, If you know that Medium.com is not notable, then why have you mentioned "the Medium article as analysed good" I am humbly request a fare voting process, Please stay away, because your intention is not good. I totally accept if other person voted against it. Moharavi (talk) 17:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Moharavi, please assume good faith of GrabUp. Industrial Insect (talk) 17:32, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hope so. Moharavi (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moharavi, I never said that Medium is reliable or can establish notability. You are misunderstanding me. I am simply thanking editor Oaktree B for bringing that article here and expressing appreciation for the Medium article’s author’s detailed analysis. Why do you think my intentions are not good? I have never done anything to you that would warrant such an accusation. GrabUp - Talk 17:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source identified as Source 6 features an image of individuals with no description or coverage at a gathering and does not showcase notability. https://www.emmys.com/tags/lika-osipova The Medium article this user added also fails to establish notability, as Medium is a blogging platform, not a recognized magazine, and lacks references to credible media that provide analytical content. The observation that each source appears to be sponsored raises concerns about how the page was approved initially. Additionally, @Grabup, I have suspicions this editor has a connection to the page or was paid for it. Given the apparent use of paid editing services. Furthermore, a sponsored segment about a restaurant this editor added is irrelevant to establishing the individual's notability within this category.

Furthermore, the article added about the dating life of a male reality TV persona, barely mentioning the person, and yet used by Moharavi as the source to establish notability looks like advertising. He added that article as a source to " In 2021, She began her singing career with her debut songLights, for which she won Special Jury Award at the Los Angeles Film Awards." which is not even mentioned in the article upon closer inspection. 108.60.60.254 (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also verified the source you added from Vietnam. It says on the cover powered by Sunflower Media- Canadian advertising agency. I am a afraid, I believe it cannot be considered a source to verify notability if it is indicated by the platform itself it was paid by the advertising agency. Demeter39G (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Forgot to log in. It looks indeed as advertising to me, as I stumbled upon the wikipedia page from an ad. There are no significant edits made anonymously to the page if you verify the history. Rather some content removed by an experienced editor Kuru, as non-WP:RS : unmarked paid placement / SEO. It creates non good intentions, as you just tried to mislead the editors. Demeter39G (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moharavi, Now you are lying, saying that you never said my intentions were not good. By removing the original comment where you said, "Please stay away, because your intentions are not good," you think no one will find out? Why you are deleting your comments after they are replied? GrabUp - Talk 07:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Grabup looks like this is the user who created this page in the first place, suspect was paid for it. What do you think? Is there a way wikipedia marks paid articles?
05:51, 23 October 2019 diff hist +3,594‎ N Lika O ‎ ←Created page with '((short description|Russian actress)) ((Infobox person | image = | name = Lika Osipova | birth_name = | birth_date = 30 September | birth_place =...' thank

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@Demeter39G: I know that he created that article and left Wikipedia in September 2021. Suddenly, after more than two years, he came back when I nominated the article. Maybe he was paid. There's no need to do anything; surely the AfD will be closed as Delete. GrabUp - Talk 08:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Grabup I follow this interest wise to see how many more paid fake sources someone will add. Someone removed and added same video source you commented on already. I'm impressed to be honest, did not expect someone's so invested. Demeter39G (talk) 01:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP This article Passes WP:GNG, because she was in the covered of the magazine Harper's Bazaar, interviewed in NBC Los Angeles, also other few recently added reference.Evgeny72 (talk) 21:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE This is false information again. It was not covered by Harper Bazaar. See previous reply. HB -Vietnam is paid advertisement. It says on the cover powered by Sunflower Media- Canadian advertising agency. I am a afraid, I believe it cannot be considered a source to verify notability if it is indicated by the platform itself it was paid by the advertising agency.

See GrabUp reply , the person was not interviewed by the NBC Los Angeles, it is a segment about a venue. GrabUp replied " other source that you added is a video that obviously can’t make her notable." Demeter39G (talk) 01:07, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note, stop adding paid sources. It is self-advertising. The source you added- is not an reliable source. It is an advertising platform, with button with prices in the middle, and it has a paid staff note. "Lika O: The Star Charlie Walk Knew Would Shake the World from the Moment He Saw". thesource.com. Retrieved 2024-05-22. Demeter39G (talk) 01:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Milroy Goes

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Delete: Based on my check, I found no in-depth coverage from multiple independent and reliable secondary sources. This means the subject completely fails to meet WP:GNG. The majority of the sources are around his films. GrabUp - Talk 05:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Significant coverage in independent (although some articles include interviews), reliable sources. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:51, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(and if the majority of sources is considered to be around his films (not sure that can be said, but let's assume it is the case, it means that the films may be considered notable, so that he would meet WP:DIRECTOR). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think the article about his film meets WP:GNG as it requires in-depth coverage from multiple sources. The cited sources seem unreliable to me or are full of quotations from connected individuals. It fails WP:NFILM as no reviews were found and WP:NFO because the film only received coverage at the time of its release. To pass, it requires “publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film’s initial release.” I can nominate that article anytime soon. GrabUp - Talk 09:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mushy Yank, could you point out sources that provide "significant coverage"? WP:SIGCOV requires coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail." Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, almost all the sources are merely name drops. Additionally, I agree with Grabup that the film they directed appears to be non-notable as it lacks the coverage required by WP:GNG and shows no evidence of notability under WP:NFILM.

Regarding your claim of meeting WP:NDIRECTOR, it is weak for two reasons: first, the film is likely not notable, and second, there is no coverage that discusses the subject in detail. WP:BIOSPECIAL states that "If neither a satisfying explanation nor appropriate sources can be found for a standalone article, but the person meets one or more of the additional criteria: Merge the article into a broader article providing context." However, this is likely not possible due to the weak notability of the film. GSS ^💬 09:55, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At random, for example:

Perhaps the film producer with the most interesting experience is Milroy Goes whose film Welcome Millions is being shown on Amazon Prime in Europe and America after being dubbed in the local language. It is expected to be available for viewership in India shortly. Made in three languages and shot in Goa, Punjab, and the UK, the movie was meant to have its premiere at the IFFI 2019 but was turned down because it had been one of two Indian film selected by the Oscar committee. (https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/It’s-time-to-go-‘Over-the-Top’-for-Konkani-cinema/161417)

In 2012, director Milroy Goes brought about a whole new change in Konkani cinema by introducing his digital theatrical film, (as was mentioned in the Afd about The Victim) (https://www.heraldgoa.in/Cafe/Good-days-ahead-for-Goan-cinema/108329)

Pervis Milroy Goes, known better as Milroy Goes is an Indian film director from Goa. He hails from the beautiful village of Cuncolim in South Goa. He ventured into the Film Industry in 2007 with his first short film “Vengeance”. Milroy gained a lot of recognition as a film director soon after the release of his second short film “Unexpected” in 2009. Milroy was mentored by a French film enthusiast named Anthony Coombs-Humphreys, who not only believed in Milroy’s potential as a filmmaker but also assisted him in producing a remake of his short film “Unexpected” for the international audience. The movie, which was titled “Expect the Unexpected”, featured a Bollywood actor named Deepraj Rana. The movie was released in 2011 and received very good reviews. Milroy Goes’ film “Welcome Millions”, which was released in 2018, was eligible for the Best Picture Award in the General Entry category at the 91st Academy Awards (Oscars) in 2019, but was not nominated. Milroy Goes is credited with being the person to introduce digital cinema in Goa with his debut theatrical film “The Victim” (2012).Besides filmmaking, Milroy Goes also has various other business ventures including a coffee shop, an artist management firm and a Portuguese passport consultancy firm. (It's Goa)

These are just examples, it's +- short but significant imv, and there are many of those. If really everyone agrees this is not enough, nor for the film(s) nor for him, may I suggest a redirect for all of them to Konkani cinema (another guideline might apply if one considers the regional scope), that might help add prose to the page, which is very listy. I'm not that interested in this filmmaker, to be honest, and will probably leave it at that (I am not watching this), Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t think Heraldgoa’s covarage can establish notability. And Itsgoa is a self-proclaimed blog based site according to their about us page. As it says “ ItsGoa was started in 2015, with the aim of becoming the premier portal for all things Goa. Today with thousands of visitors a month from across the world, our blog based website has transcended the virtual space, with the ItsGoa magazine – a sought after resource for visitors to Goa.” GrabUp - Talk 11:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's Goa: A blog, yes, technically, but not a personal one and that is what matters (WP:EXPERTSPS). As for O Heraldo, not sure what you mean, but it's one of the (if not the, in English) main newspapers in Goa!! Again, a redirect to Konkani cinema might be considered. Really no time to make any further comments, sorry. Decide what you think is best. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's Goa is not only a blog, but the article you mentioned above is an interview, and such articles are not accepted for establishing notability. Additionally, there is no evidence of who runs that blog or their background, nor are there details on their editorial policies. Such sources fall under WP:QUESTIONABLE. The section "The Folks Behind The Jokes" on their about us page states, "Our writers come from all walks of life, and through our social media handles," confirming that they lack real editorial control. They also encourage people to send in their stories and experiences, share their events and happenings, or create discussions around the articles they post, further undermining their reliability. The other two sources you mentioned are just passing mentions and are not even close to WP:INDEPTH. GSS ^💬 12:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karin Van Der Laag

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Badly sourced, possible sockpuppetry and/or UPE. Fails WP:BIO. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 09:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I found only one potentially WP:RS online, but that is not enough to establish WP:GNG. The actress is also not eligible for any of the WP:NACTOR criteria (no significant roles in notable films or significant contributions to the field). Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: at least 2 significant roles in notable productions. The page needs improvements, though. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which 2 significant roles in notable productions? Theroadislong (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Isidingo/Maggie Webster; The Story of an African Farm/Tant Sannie. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to suggest that her role in Isidingo is significant, it is one of many small parts. Theroadislong (talk) 16:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-karin-van-der-laag-maggie-from-isidingo-where-is-she-now-20-september-2023/ ; https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2013-07-09-isidingo-gets-a-15-year-rewind/ ; https://www.dstv.com/kyknet/af-za/blad/desember-2017/vat-n-vet-kans-om-gewig-te-verloor/nuus ;https://www.republikein.com.na/nuus/vat-n-vet-kans-2018-09-07... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The South African article above was written by a creative content writer with a versatile writing background and is a promotional fluff piece with claims like her talent transcends borders, artistic prowess extends beyond acting and multifaceted career serves as an inspiration to aspiring artists. Creative writing indeed. The others are mentions and the ones used in the article are WP:UGC. S0091 (talk) 16:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC) S0091 (talk) 16:01, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@S0091 GPTZero finds that at least sections from https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-karin-van-der-laag-maggie-from-isidingo-where-is-she-now-20-september-2023/ were written by AI. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent doesn't surprise me. This is the third or so article I have come across published in The South African that was promo, with the others being written by marketing/PR professionals so likely paid for. S0091 (talk) 17:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lori Wells

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I have been unable to find sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. The single source cited in the article is a Wordpress blog. She doesn't seem to me to meet WP:NACTOR either; Coronation Street is a notable show but her role in it was not significant, Kisses at Fifty is one episode of an anthology drama. Overall, she doesn't seem to meet notability requirements. Chocmilk03 (talk) 04:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete While she does have a Wikipedia page, most of her roles seem to be minor, except Get Some In! in which she has acted in 21 episodes, but as a minor role. She doesn't meet the notability criterion. Wikilover3509 (talk) 08:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Kisses at Fifty was a one-off TV play, but an important one, where she had an important role. It was one of the best-known plays in Play for Today, and the BBC repeated it quite recently. Here role in Get Some In! wasn't that minor, she appears in the list of characters, and in the box at the start (and I did not put her there). PatGallacher (talk) 14:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: seems to pass WP:NACTOR for 2 significant roles in notable productions. More sources wouldn't hurt. I would have suggested a redirect to Kisses at Fifty, but her role in Get Some In! is also rather significant. Worst case scenario, that might be a solution, though. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vladlena Sandu

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A screenwriter and theater director who has directed some non-notable films and documentaries fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER. There is no significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. Almost all currently cited sources are interviews, with a few being unreliable or merely passing mentions. GSS ^💬 15:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Umer Naru

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Fails NACTOR since he didn't have major roles in TV dramas. The subject also doesn't seems to meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As per my check, the subject fails to meet WP:NACTOR as there are no significant roles in notable films or dramas. It also fails to meet WP:GNG since the sources are just interviews or passing mentions. His own words can’t make him notable; it requires multiple in-depth coverages from reliable independent sources to establish notability. GrabUp - Talk 09:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Hennessey

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Lacking of citations and General Notability Bennyaha (talk) 04:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As always, the notability test for actors is not automatically passed just because the article contains a list of roles sourced to IMDb or an IMDb-like directory — it requires passing WP:GNG on reliable source coverage about him and his work in media and/or books, of which there's absolutely none shown here. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from article creator (before we hit this AFD's normal deadline): This is one of several artifacts from the time I focused on Care Bears content (as a fan back then; my kidvid interests have long since shifted). Hennessey was the voice of Brave Heart Lion, a Care Bear Cousin. ("Charge!")

Zekas, Rita (1990-06-03). "Dan Hennessey -- Care Bears". The Toronto Star Video & Home Entertainment. p. 19. Retrieved 2024-05-23 – via Newspapers.com.

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Memoona Qudoos

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At first glance, the actor appears to be well-known with numerous roles in television serials, films, and what not. However, upon closer inspection, it becomes evident that the subject only had minor roles in the majority of those television serials and films, thus failing to meet NACTOR. Anyone wishing to argue based on GNG must provide THREE, i repeat, THREE of the best coverages in RS -only. ROTM coverage like this, this and even INTERVIEWS like this is not enough to meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She is notable. In this source her education and how she started is all mentioned [58] and her married life source in this [59].(BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, Your comments sound WP:ATA. These coverages can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I am not talking about WP:V. I am saying that it meets WP:NACTOR. It has mentioned her drama roles and her recent role of Shehna.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    - BeauSuzanne, Could you provide evidence that the subject had major roles? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Azeem Sajjad

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Fails NACTOR and WP:DIRECTOR since he didn't have major roles in TV dramas, and also the TV dramas and film he directed fail GNG themselves. The subject also doesn't meet GNG. Anyone willing to prove me wrong must either provide Three best coverage references for assessment based on GNG, prove that he had major roles in those TV dramas for meeting NACTOR, or show that the TV dramas/film he directed meet GNG themselves. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 13:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Notable artist, has been part of notable projects in Pakistani showbiz industry. Failure of some projects doesn't mean that he's no more notable. If that's the case then why do we have articles for his directions. Muneebll (talk) 18:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you demonstrate that the TV dramas/film he directed meet GNG themselves? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - plenty of coverage on Azeem Sajjad's role as film-maker in Pakistani media - "Chaudhry is being directed by Azeem Sajjad, whose name previously hit headlines for his 8689 project that starred Saba Qamar." (Dawn), "Azeem Sajjad's upcoming movie is based on the life of late SP Chaudhry Aslam and we have a poster to see that for ourselves." (Dawn), " "Director, actor, writer of his debut film '8969', Azeem Sajjad, has said the flick being released on Dec 2 across the country" (Dawn), "A four-hour-long cut of Chaudhry was directed by Azeem Sajjad that made even less sense (Sajjad’s last venture was the unforgivable 8969). According to the nightmarish behind-the-scenes story, Sajjad overshot the film without coherence, exceeding the budget by a fair number of crores. ", (Dawn), etc. --Soman (talk) 21:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gianni Mammolotti

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Doesn't meet WP:NCREATIVE. No in-depth coverage. Can't find anything about him online except an IMDB page. Clear friend a ^💬 21:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Various awards and nominations for Best cinematographer. (https://www.inventaunfilm.it/sei-premi-in-cerca-d-autore-2021-autore-dell-anno-gianni-mammolotti/articoli16539 ; http://www.ilquotidiano.it/articoli/2005/09/25/44313/assegnati-i-4-esposimetri-doro-per-il-premio-gianni-di-venanzo ; https://www.daviddidonatello.it/motore-di-ricerca/cercavincitori2.php?idsoggetto=1679&vin= ; https://www.sherlockmagazine.it/index.php/2942/l-aquila-una-citta-in-nero) May meet WP:ANYBIO. ("The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times") -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 10:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC) (edited as there is only 1 Donatello nomination I can verify not more, although the Italian WP mentions 2 (which is not >2) but he has received other awards)[reply]

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Agha Mustafa Hassan

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At first glance, the actor appears to be well-known with numerous roles in television serials, films, and what not. However, upon closer inspection, it becomes evident that the subject only had minor roles in the majority of those television serials and films, thus failing to meet NACTOR. Anyone wishing to argue based on GNG must provide THREE, i repeat, THREE of the best coverages in RS -only. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Nominator is harassing me by calling me UPE/sock on numerous platforms without any single evidence and nominating all articles created/edited by me despite meeting criteria. As for this AFD, he is clearly meeting WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. I am presenting some sources from reliable newspapers for proving my point.

Daily Times [60]

Eastern Eye [61]

Daily Times [62]

Daily Pakistan [63]

DAWN News [64]

DAWN News [65]

Daily Times

Dawn Images [66]

The News International [67] Libraa2019 (talk) 20:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, Can you please provide WP:THREE best coverage that you believe is sufficient to meet GNG ? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 23:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - You can self choose three best coverage from the ones i mentioned above as they all are best sources and are sufficient to meet GNG. Libraa2019 (talk) 02:24, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Libraa2019, It's up to you to provide the THREE best coverage that you believe should be good enough to meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - All of them are best coverage. These sources are covering this actor in-depth. i presented more than what you have asked. Daily Times, Dawn News, Daily Pakistan, all of them are reliable and authentic newspapers & These sources are available in B, C and Good rated Pakistani articles.. Libraa2019 (talk) 13:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Libraa2019, Either you're not willing to grasp my point or perhaps simply refuse to WP:LISTEN. Is it a strategy to simply ignore, hoping the AfD will close with no consensus? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Such things applied to you. In personal disagreements you've gone too far. Editors have told you on other AFD's that i presented more than what you asked [68] [69] [70] [71] but you have decided not to listen any. I said it personal because you are Labelling every authentic source as unreliable, every role as minor and hoping to delete articles despite of these articles meeting criteria. Libraa2019 (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am providing some other reliable sources which i found during research.

Geo News [72]

Daily Aaj [73]

Bol News [74] [75] Libraa2019 (talk) 17:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Offering numerous sources won't necessarily strengthen the argument. Can you provide THREE excellent sources instead? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The history at mutiple AFD's indicates that i provide authentic sources and you reject so please leave some things to others. Libraa2019 (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And you mentioned at Imaam Mazari's AFD that Coverage doesn't always have to be in-depth [76] but contineously asking me to provide in-depth coverage. Still i presented multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage. Libraa2019 (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: WP:NACTOR seems met, with various significant roles (although not lead) in notable productions. (Also, WP:THREE is an WP:Essay.) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I oppose the nominators rationale that this article doesn't meet WP:NACTOR where there is a serious presentation of source that we know meets WP:RS. There is no need for WP:THREE here when there are plenty sources already in the article. Please KEEP. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Sources are casting announcements or interviews/based on what he says and one of the sources used in the article does not mention him. A few of the sources do mention his role in Tere Bin (2022 TV series) but it's trivial coverage and only one role. In order to meet WP:NACTOR it has to be shown his roles in multiple notable productions were significant which is proven through sources that have written about him/his roles which is lacking here. S0091 (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sir its consequently third time where Saqib nominated my creation in retaliation & you voted delete. I am unable to satisfy you despite providing multiple authentic sources which are covering him in-depth. Sources are not only interviews like Daily Times states, Agha Mustafa Hassan has no doubt made his mark in the industry. The young actor and model has been winning the hearts of people since 2016 due to his exceptional acting skills. Dawn News wrote, Agha Mustafa Hasan made his acting debut with the 2016 popular drama 'Sang e Mar Mar', after which he showed his acting chops in several popular dramas and theaters as well as films. He has played supporting roles in dramas including Pinjara, Neeli Zinda Hai, More Siyan, Mere Own, Run, Silla Mohabbate, Sar Rah and Tere Bin. Eastern Eye said Acclaimed Pakistani actor Agha Mustafa Hassan started off his career in theatre and then made a winning transition to television with popular drama serials like Sila-e-Mohabbat, Dour, Neeli Zinda Hai, Kahin Deep Jaley and Mehboob Aapke Qadmon Main. The versatile performer continues to take on new challenges on-screen, but also has a close connection to good content as an audience member, And the rest of the sources also covering him significantly. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Libraa2019 Thanks. Can you link to those articles and do you have another one that talks about his career? I'll take a look. S0091 (talk) 16:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Sure Sir, i will link that to article and thats the only issue, the BLP needs references and Should be tagged for "Additional Citations". It does'nt mean we just delete it despite multiple coverage on google. I have mentioned many sources in this AFD, please review them and i will surely add them to BLP. And please dont read sources on this BLP as it was my initial days and some one else also added one fake source in which subject has no where mentioned, I will surely work into it. But due to this nomination, I have provided all the required sources in this AFD for evaluation. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Libraa2019 Like I said, I will take a look if you can link to the articles you are referencing. If they are listed above, please let me know which ones because there are more than one DT and Dawn listed. While I did look at all them, I may missed something. S0091 (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Respected S0091, as requested, attaching few sources. Daily Times [77], Eastern Eye [78], DAWN News [79], DAWN News [80] Libraa2019 (talk) 18:41, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The Daily Times has role by-line (Web Desk) and is a press release announcing he has been cast in Neeli Zinda Hai so is a primary source and not independent. Here is another article which is almost word-for-word the same. The Eastern Eye is also a role by-line and is list of Hassan's favourite 10 TV shows so primary with a brief introduction listing some of the shows he has acted in. The first Dawn is a role by-line (Entertainment Desk) and based on an interview so primary. It lists some of the shows he has acted in and does state His negative role in Tere Bin, Malik Zubair, was well received but doesn't state by whom. The second Dawn is about what he said during his appearance on Sama TV's morning show so primary and also lists shows he has acted in and states His negative role in 'Tere Bin', Malik Zubair, was highly appreciated. I note that the two Dawn's were published years apart, one in 2021 and one in 2023 and the portion that talks about is career is almost word-for-word the same (what you quoted above) which suggests it is a standard a blurb. None of these demonstrate the significance of his roles outside of maybe Tere Bin but even those are trivial mentions. S0091 (talk) 16:02, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  All of them are not primary, i am doubting your assessment and if they are primary then what exactly are the secondary sources. Also you can check this sources too DAWN News [81], Dawn Images [82], The News International [83], Geo News [84],Daily Aaj [85], Bol News [86] [87] Libraa2019 (talk) 16:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  See PSTS. Primary sources can be used sparingly but do not establish notability. Analysis of his work/life would be secondary but press releases, interviews/what he says are primary. I will find some examples and share them with you on your talk page. As for these additional sources, one is the same Dawn from above and the other two are mentions in a list of cast members. S0091 (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danial Afzal Khan

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The subject does not meet WP:NACTOR. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one Inherently notable. A quick Google search doesn't yield anything either which can meet WP:GNG either. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Although it easily passes notability criteria, but i am not bother whether if its delete or keep. The nominator is harassing me by nominating articles created by me. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How many articles that you created have they nominated for deletion? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spiderone, They nominated Abdullah Seja, added notability tag to Qudsia Ali, Agha Mustafa Hassan & Abu Aleeha [88], the tag was removed by another senior editor [89] but again it was added by nominator without giving any reason [90]. These articles are easily meeting wikipidea criteria but i will not remove these tags as i respect senior editors perspective. Libraa2019 (talk) 05:27, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Libraa2019, And I've just nominated Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qudsia Ali and I've provided my reasoning there. Regarding why I tagged Abu Aleeha, see Talk:Abu Aleeha. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:28, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are unable to understand any rationale and clearly not ready to listen others despite of them proving their points. Any ways, i dont have much time to spend as i am engaged in personal life. Good luck with your mission. Libraa2019 (talk) 11:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep - appears to be WP:NACTOR with [91] and [92]. Having worked in films and critically acclaimed series as well. Google search also yields potential material to improve his article with. Should be tagged for "Additional Citations".Sameeerrr (talk) 15:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC) ( Blocked sockpuppet)[reply]

Please don't use interview-based coverage to establish GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have added few, merely not based on interviews. There are more sources available, I'd suggest you to research about a subject prior to initiating an WP:AfD on. I've noticed your certain WP:AfD should have been tagged for improvement as there's much enough coverage available to establish WP:GNG about them. For instance, my take on WP:AfD of Tumhare Husn Ke Naam, Muhabbat Gumshuda Meri (TV series) etc. Sameeerrr (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think CNMall41 (talk · contribs) mentioned elsewhere that simply adding references to the article won't help. You need to provide THREE of the best sources here that aren't ROTM coverage or interview-based to help establish GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 15:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your approach of providing "THREE" best references. If we were supposed to provide the only three best references, then I wonder Wikipedia would have limited it WP:References section "To add Three Best sources" only. Sameeerrr (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep multiple notable roles through which passes WP:NACTOR and significant coverage as one can confirm at [93] therefore passes WP:GNG. Libraa2019 (talk) 10:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide evidence indicating major roles. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already provided. You are not ready to check any. Libraa2019 (talk) 10:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Providing significant coverage in multiple reliable sources as an evidences.
Daily Times [94]

The News International [95]

The Nation [96]

DAWN [97]

The Express Tribune [98]

Daily Times [99]

The News International [100]

Daily Jang [101]

Eastern Eye [102]

Daily Pakistan [103]

Daily Jang [104]

Daily Times [105]

The Friday Times [106]

Daily Times [107]

Daily Times [108] Libraa2019 (talk) 11:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please show proof that the subject had major roles. None of the sources you've provided confirm this. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 11:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You have visited all these sources in 3 minutes?? As you replied in less than 5 minutes, it clearly says you are not ready to check any source. If i would present some wiki articles where he played notable roles then you will take them to AFD and game the system, the same you did with Abdullah Seja. Libraa2019 (talk) 11:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For other editors and record, All the attached sources are claiming he has played significant roles in multiple television serials and he also played a lead role in feature film Aksbandh, [109] Libraa2019 (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, No. I haven't been able to verify your claims that the subject had major roles in TV dramas, except for a 90-minute short film Aksbandh, which is not sufficient to meet WP:NACTOR. Fyi, simply doing some supporting roles in TV dramas isn't enough to qualify under NACTOR. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Per WP:BASIC, if an actor has sufficient coverage in reliable sources then he/she is notable. He played major role in Kab Mere Kehlaoge, Mohlat etc. And btw that comment was for other editors not you. Sources likeThe Express Tribune, DAWN, The News International did'nt satisfy you because article is my creation. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please clarify whether you want to assess WP:N based on NACTOR or GNG. If GNG, please provide THREE best sources. And thanks for informing me about Kab Mere Kehlaoge; it doesn't appear to be a notable drama. I've AfD'd it. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - You are not an admin to whom i will respond and satisfy every time. Many editors have told you that i am presenting authentic sources but you denied [110] [111] I have provided more than 10 reliable sources for others and if any senior editor will demand, i will provide them. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Libraa2019, You're WP:CHERRYPICKING a few comments. I'll take it as you not having THREE strong coverage to meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        Is it also WP:CHERRYPICKING [112] [113] ?Libraa2019 (talk) 16:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in notable productions.... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Looking through the first few sources presented, The Nation is a Q&A interview so primary, The Express Tribune is casting announcement with a mention and Dawn is mention. This Daily Times is a casting announcement for Mohabbat Dagh ki Soorat which is not listed in the filmography and states it is an "appearance" so not a significant role and does not appear to be notable show (no article). The two The News International articles are interviews but they at least have some background information. While some roles they mention are not significant/noble, they both mention his performance as Nomi in Raaz-e-Ulfat so I think that role meets the significant/notable bar but multiple are required to meet WP:NACTOR. As I go through the other shows listed in the filmography I am finding most do not meet GNG, at least based on the sources currently provided so while some of the roles might be significant I cannot make the stretch they are notable productions. Draftifying might be an option until the notability of the other shows can be determined. S0091 (talk) 16:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- You endorse most of the AFD's initiated by Saqib (at which i am no one to object) but here you ignored WP:BASIC, plenty of excellent sources covering him. I have presented more than enough sources. Subject has started career around 8 years ago and i dont think so he deserves draftification right now as major publications like The Express Tribune, Daily Times, The News International are covering him. And secondly he has a lead role in feature film Aksbandh [114].
- And one more thing i want you to notice, Saqib mentioned at Imaan Mazari's AFD that Coverage doesn't always have to be in-depth [115] (that article was his creation) but contineously asking me to provide in-depth coverage. Still i presented multiple reliable sources with in-depth coverage. Libraa2019 (talk) 02:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Libraa2019 I am doing my own independent analysis so focusing on Saqib is not helpful. I addressed several sources directly and explained why they are not useful for notability. The two The News International sources were the best of the few I looked at. Both are interviews so are still weak sources with one them being an interview about his fitness routine and the other about his likes and dislikes, not about his career, though as I stated they do provided some background. One was published in 2020 and one in 2021 well after Aksbandh. Only one makes mention of film but all it says is that it did not do well at the box office. The one published is 2021 describes him as a "promising young actor", meaning he was still early in his career a couple years ago and eight years is not that long, especially in the entertainment industry.
  
  There is reason editors ask for WP:THREE; it's not just Saqib as you seem to think. While it is an essay it is one often cited in AfDs and by reviewers trying to assess drafts and new articles. Lots of sources does not mean a topic meets the notability criteria, including BASIC. If your claim is Khan meets BASIC then you need to present the specific sources that demonstrate he meets the criteria. I think it is unreasonable to expect editors to go through a list of fifteen sources, especially with no guidance on how any of them meet GNG or BASIC. Per WP:THREE I'm not willing to slog through dozens of sources to evaluate them. I am, however, willing to look at a few sources in detail if somebody else (i.e. you) does the footwork to figure out which ones are the best. I have already looked a seven or so sources but I am willing to look at a three more you believe are the best ones. S0091 (talk) 15:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, as far as WP:THREE, please check history of Saqib, he firstly nominated all of the articles created by me in personal disagreements or what i am unable to understand, and he has never satisfied with any provided source and called every reliable source as unreliable and every notable show/project/role as non notable [116]. Do you think he will be satisfied if i have provided three solid sources. He is contineously opposing me but has a different criteria for that particular AFD [117]. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:03, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, you are still choosing to focus on Saqib so let me state it more directly. Forget about Saqib. Saqib can nominate all the articles he wants but it is the community together that will determine WP:consensus so you need to convince all the others, which includes me. The best way to do that is to make a convincing argument with three to six good sources. Three is usually sufficient if they meet GNG even if one leans a little weak (sometimes two really strong sources are enough); five or six is usually enough for BASIC (could be less depending) but they need to have non-trivial coverage, along with being reliable, independent and secondary. S0091 (talk) 17:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I presented independent and secondary sources, none of them were primary and unable to understand why is requirements of wikipidea are too much tough when it comes to me but totally opposite when experienced editors like Saqib create page of a random person who has coverage only for being arrested.

You can check the sources mentioned below which are covering him. And he himself admitted that he was nominating articles without proper knowledge [118].

Daily Times [119]

The News International [120]

The Nation [121]

DAWN [122]

The Express Tribune [123]

Daily Times [124]

Libraa2019 (talk) 18:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Libraa2019 I have already looked at all of those thus my statement I am willing to look at a three more. Please refer my comments in my delete !vote for my assessment. If those are the best ones, then they do not meet GNG nor BASIC. The two The News Internationals (though you only list one) I can see counting toward BASIC but they are not enough. And yet again you are focusing on Saqib by bringing up some other AfD which has absolutely no bearing on this one. I tried to help you focus on what matters but it's falling on deaf ears so I am done. Too much of my time wasted. S0091 (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please check these sources, are they able to meet GNG?

The News International [125]

Daily Jang [126]

Eastern Eye [127]

Daily Pakistan [128]

Daily Jang [129]

Daily Times [130]

The Friday Times [131]

Libraa2019 (talk) 19:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdullah Seja

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This doesn't seem to meet WP:DIRECTOR or even WP:ANYBIO. A Google search doesn't turn up anything that aligns with WP:GNG. It's likely a case of UPE —Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Notable producer [132] [133], [134] who has produced more than 100 drama serials. Easily passes producer criteria of wikipidea. Few of his work are listed with reliable source attached, proving his production for that project.

Baddua [135]
Ijazat [136]
Rukhsati [137]
Sukoon [138]
Angna [139]
Bay Dardi [140]
Hum Na Thay Be Mehar [141]
Ghisi Piti Mohabbat [142] [143][144]
Noor ul Ain [145] Libraa2019 (talk) 16:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, All these articles you mentioned (except Noor ul Ain) were created by blocked and unblocked UPEs. I doubt they meet the WP:N - But I'll need to examine each and every drama/TV show they've produced to determine if they meet the significance requirement as outlined in WP:PRODUCER. You mentioned they produced 100+ shows, but you only provided around 10. Where are the rest? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Including Noor ul Ain because it was not created by L293D (talk · contribs) as I thought initially. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - I conducted a quick Google search to find coverage about these films sand TV dramas you mentioned, but I couldn't find significant / in-depth coverage about them. I just found some ROTM coverage and this indicates that these films/dramas may not be significant work. Therefore, the subject fails to meet WP:PRODUCER or WP:DIRECTOR. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - Note: SPI filed—Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        And i have provided rationale to prove my point at SPI Libraa2019 (talk) 11:15, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As per nominator's request, presenting some of the other projects, Seja produced.

Baby Baji [146]

Rasm E Duniya [147]

Haiwan [148]

Beti [149]

Ghairat [150]

Pehli Si Muhabbat [151]

Koi Chand Rakh [152]

Log Kya Kahenge (2020 TV series) [153]

Hangor S-131 [154]

Fraud (TV series) [155]

Kaisi Teri Khudgarzi [156]

Barfi Laddu [157]

Berukhi

Bhool

Qurban

Kaisa Hai Naseeban

Mere Khudaya

Sannata

Mere Harjai

Dareecha

Note Nominator is unable to understand any rationale and nominating all articles created by me despite meeting criteria of wikipidea. Libraa2019 (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Libraa2019, Hold on a sec—what I'm seeing is that he's just a producer of some of the shows you mentioned above because he has COO position in a company called iDream Entertainment - the actual production company behind these TV shows. Also, I did a quick Google search, and most of these TV shows aren't noteworthy because they fail GNG on their own. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - You can confirm from the sources i mentioned above, he is the producer in Idream Entertainment. All the attached sources are claiming that he produced these shows. They did'nt claim that iDream Entertainment produced these shows or that he is the COO. Another thing to note that you said most of the shows aren't noteworthy which is your assumption as majority of his projects received significant coverage including but not limited to Baby Baji, Pehli Si Muhabbat, Ghisi Piti Mohabbat, Noor ul Ain, Rasm E Duniya, Beti Libraa2019 (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - And Saqib, as i said in another AFD discussion, you have gone too far in personal disagreements, now you are nominating his projects for deletion [158] [159], adding notability tag to his projects [160] [161] and gaming the system (WP:Gaming) that he is not notable. Libraa2019 (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per source presented above. At least per WP:BASICOtbest (talk) 18:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Otbest, I'm curious how a user who just began editing 2 days ago is already participating in AfDs. BTW, please avoid WP:ATA. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I went through a handful or so of the sources presented above and they are all brief mentions or based on what Seja says. Happy to reconsider if WP:THREE are presented (ping me). S0091 (talk) 16:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I respect your opinion but did you visit the sources which i attached against each of his productions. All sources confirm his production in these projects and he can easily passes per WP:BASIC as produced more than 100 notable TV series. Libraa2019 (talk) 10:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  For WP:BASIC you need sources with enough depth of coverage about him that one can write a biography. That's not the case here. S0091 (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - He produced more than 100 television shows (Many of them are listed above with reliable source). His projects received signifacant coverage in respected sources mentioned above. Can't we assume article's notability on the basis of more than 100 series he produced? Libraa2019 (talk) 12:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are there any sources that talk about his significance? Also, neither of the sources currently cited in the article state he has produced 100 series so right now that fails verification. S0091 (talk) 14:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - There is one source that claim this [162] but its a primary source thats why i haven't provided it earlier. Also please check this [163] i mentioned almost 29 serials in this AFD which Seja produced and mentioned more than 20 serials with reliable sources. These sources claim Seja as a producer of these projects. Libraa2019 (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      The Nettv4u is not a reliable source as anyone can make a profile and the second is an interview with Ahsan Khan where he discusses making Sukoon so is also a primary source and not independent given Khan is an associate. It can be used to support what Khan said about Seja but nothing more. Also, this is not about proving he produced several TV shows. That is established but without sources that directly discuss Seja's significance, it does not matter if he produced one or one thousand. He is still young so this might be a case of WP:TOOSOON where sources have not written much about him yet but may in the coming years. See also WP:Before they were notable. S0091 (talk) 16:57, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Farhan Ahmed Malhi

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This actor-cum-model does not meets WP:ACTOR as I am unable verify their "major roles" in TV shows as require by WP:ACTOR - nor does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 20:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: He is a well known actor. His roles in dramas has received coverage. His education and how he started his career is mentioned.[164][165][166](BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, Your comments sound like WP:ATA. These coverages can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. Can you provide WP:THREE best coverage that you believe is sufficient to meet GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not talking about Wp:V. I am saying that three souces meets WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG plus his dramas are also written in it.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, As the creator of this BLP, you were supposed to provide three best coverage in order to meet GNG. Unfortunately, you haven't done that. The coverage is mostly interviews, which aren't independent of the subject. Such coverage cannot be used to establish GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amna Malik

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Keep: She is a notable actress. She hasn't done main roles but she has done supporting roles in dramas and her recent work in Mayi was noted[167]. In these she mentioned how she switched from teacher to host and then acting.[168] Her peronal life.[169](BeauSuzanne (talk) 07:50, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
- BeauSuzanne, Supporting roles are not enough to meet WP:NACTOR and the coverages you provided can be used for WP:V, but they're not enough to establish WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - It meets WP:Nactor some sources are written this way from interviews before that I did my search on the sources it's reliable from ARY News, Images Dawn and BOL News it's both in English and Urdu.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    - BeauSuzanne, You've to see WP:ATA. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete it with fire. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Looking at her last few roles in shows with articles, none are significant (not starring or lead support) so she does not meet WP:NACTOR. Sources are interviews, do not mention her and many are not reliable such as The Brown Identity, Something Haute, FUCHSIA Magazine, Masala.com, Dispatch News Desk, etc. S0091 (talk) 15:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I find convincing BeauSuzanne's explanation; some of her roles do seem significant enough and she seems to meet WP:NACTOR indeed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sure, her recent work was "noted" in source 20, but it's a series of photos with maybe 10 lines of text. The rest aren't in RS... Most I can find are interviews or the type of celebrity gossip articles that don't help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aamna Malick

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This actress does not fulfill the criteria WP:ACTOR as I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows NOR does their coverage satisfy the basic WP:GNG. A significant portion of the sources referenced lack reliability . —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- per WP:BASIC, [170],[171],[172]

[173], [174] Otbest (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Otbest, I'm curious how a user who just began editing 2 days ago is already participating in AfDs. BTW, the references you provided aren't even RS. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment sourcing seems to be weak (mainly tabloids), but it looks like she may have some notable television credits?-KH-1 (talk) 01:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- KH-1, No. Only minor roles. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 08:24, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uzma Beg

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So at first glance, this BLP looks legit but upon but digging deeper, I couldn't find any major roles in TV shows or movies as required per WP:ACTOR. Also, when I tried to find more about the subject per WP:BEFORE, I didn't come across enough coverage to meet WP:GNG either. Plus, it's worth noting that this BLP was created back in 2021 by a SPA Sahgalji (talk · contribs) and has been mostly edited by UPEs so there's COI issues as well. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 18:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: some of her roles in notable productions seem significant enough, so that she meets WP:NACTOR imv and deletion is not necessary. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:44, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Mushy Yank, In which shows, if I may ask? —Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:04, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For example, Chupke Chupke, Pyari Mona, Hum Tum.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC) (Again, sorry but so many Afds related to Pakistan/TV series, I might not reply here any further, should you, as I expect, not find the sources to your liking for one reason or another or if clarifications are needed; it was already challenging for me to find time to check some of them and !vote).[reply]

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Lovari (musician)

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Doesn't seem to have any notable or significant credits. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:19, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References for Lovari on Wheel Of Fortune (2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8rMTIQ2C0

https://bobbymgsk.wordpress.com/2023/02/01/wheel-of-fortune-1-31-23/

References for Lovari on Judge Jerry Springer (2022):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78Iy9fFQkc

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt25965282/releaseinfo/

https://followmy.tv/episodes/2487792/judge-jerry/3x104/103

References for Lovari on Match Game (2019):

https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/match-game-season-four-viewer-votes/

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5672484/characters/nm2102281

References for Lovari in The Barn 2 (2022):

https://dailydead.com/horror-highlights-8-found-dead-the-harbinger-the-barn-part-ii/

https://hellhorror.com/movies/the-barn-part-ii-movie-7804.html

https://podcasts.apple.com/es/podcast/trhs-random-chat-with-lovari/id1539578136?i=1000641962062

https://getoutmag.com/lovari-5/ 98.109.154.93 (talk) 04:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I added filmography and television appearances of the subject that reflect current dates through May 2024. 170.212.0.95 (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sukaina Khan

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The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:NACTOR as well basic WP:GNG. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one WP:Inherent notability. Previously deleted via AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sukaina Khan —Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:51, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Seems to meet WP:NACTOR with various significant roles in notable productions. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:26, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I was unable to verify if she had significant roles. As I said in my nom, merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one inherent notable. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:38, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note The creator of this BLP has peculiar editing history. I've raised concerns about it on WP:ANI. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: She is notable actress and she started working as child actress in supporting roles. Now she does lead roles as well and she does modeling as well recently she is working drama Sultanat on Hum TV.(BeauSuzanne (talk) 06:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC))^[1][reply]

References

^ "Suqaynah Khan making waves". Magazine - The Weekly.

I acknowledge that she is an actress and has appeared in TV dramas, which naturally garners some media coverage. However, this interview alone ( a primary source) is definitely not sufficient to establish that she had significant roles. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 08:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep as per My, oh my! (Mushy Yank).182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC) [reply]

This is akin to WP:PERX —Saqib (talk | contribs) 18:03, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP blocked. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE fail WP:SIRS, nothing from neutral, independent, reliable sources addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found promo material, interviews, name mentions/listings, nothing that meets WP:SIGCOV. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 12:46, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I will stipulate the subject exists, but I can't find sufficient sourcing to meet GNG, ANYBIO, or NACTOR. Keep assertions acquire the BURDEN of presenting RS (or at least proof of RS existing). Nothing applied or presented here puts us past this bar. BusterD (talk) 21:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Faria Sheikh

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The subject does not meet criteria outlined in the relevant WP:NACTOR as well basic WP:GNG. No evidence indicating significant roles in notable films, TV dramas, etc. Merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one WP:Inherent notability. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 16:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Seems to meet WP:NACTOR with multiple significant roles in notable series. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But I was unable to verify if she had significant roles. As I said in my nom, merely being in a film or TV drama does not make one inherent notable. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note The creator of this BLP has peculiar editing history. I've raised concerns about it on WP:ANI. --—Saqib (talk | contribs) 17:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep as per My, oh my! (Mushy Yank).182.182.97.3 (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC) [reply]

This is akin to WP:PERX —Saqib (talk | contribs) 18:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why the IP copied all the formatting for Mushy's signature? ;) Must be a fan. // Timothy :: talk 12:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP blocked. --—Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article and found in BEFORE do not meet WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth, in a non promotional way. Sources in article are programming annoucements, promo, etc, nothing meeting WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 12:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: After checking, I searched for in-depth coverage from multiple independent secondary sources to meet WP:GNG, but I couldn’t find any. Therefore, the subject fails WP:GNG. Regarding WP:NACTOR, I don’t think she has played a significant role in these dramas and films. Hence, she fails WP:NACTOR. GrabUp - Talk 12:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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