RD: Pierre Bellon

Nominator's comments: French business executive. Obituaries should hopefully be appearing in English sources soon. Article needs some work and investment of time. Ktin (talk) 19:55, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per nom, needs expanding.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• This 200-word stub needs a quick expansion before its eligibility expires later today. --PFHLai (talk) 07:01, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Johnson (blues guitarist)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Short but adequate and solidly referenced. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, no issues and ready to go. Flibirigit (talk) 16:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 21:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mike Nykoluk

 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Solid article and well referenced. No issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Nice article, g2g. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:37, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 20:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Partygate

Consensus is clearly against posting at this time.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Boris Johnson

Article: Partygate (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The initial findings of the Cabinet Office inquiry in to the Partygate scandal in the United Kingdom have been published by British prime minister Boris Johnson (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Sue Gray Report, detailing initial findings of a Cabinet office inquiry in to the partygate scandal in the United Kingdom has been published.
News source(s): AP, BBC News The Guardian Sky News The Telegraph, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by 2A02:8010:69AD:0:871:2B2E:86DF:911B (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This report's contents (or, rather, the response to it) may put Boris Johnson's premiership in jeopardy. Johnson is due to update Parliament at 15:30 UTC. 2A02:8010:69AD:0:871:2B2E:86DF:911B (talk) 14:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait it's been all of 5 minutes since it was announced that the report had been released. No details of the report have yet been given. Unless there's a significant impact like it causes the PM to resign, then don't think this is ITN-worthy. Certainly too soon to be guessing the impact of this report. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait. We don't know what it says yet, and it is not the complete report as the police requested some information be held back as to not affect their investigation. 331dot (talk) 14:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. This isn't a report, its an update and contains very little information. I would certainly dispute the altblub's use of the words "detailing" and "findings": there are none of either. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:11F2:723B:CAC4:ABD9 (talk) 14:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose and...what? What's next? The only news worthy for MP is Johnson's resignation and the appointment of a new British PM. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 14:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: The "report" is here. Am struggling to see one single fact that wasn't previously fully known in the public domain. And the startling "conclusion": "There is significant learning to be drawn from these events which must be addressed immediately across Government. This does not need to wait for the police investigations to be concluded." Wow, I bet Boris is busy packing his bags even as we speak. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  She is extremely limited in what I can say about those events and it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather. Wow what a political bombshell.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Apparently Boris and Co are still busy building 40 hospitals. But refreshing to get a mention of Jimmy Savile. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose ... for now. So it's been published. What's it say? Does a "serious failure of leadership" mean bye-bye Boris? – Sca (talk) 15:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• We get to hear Boris speak in 10 minutes. Don't hold your breath. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No prob. Just had time to grab some popcorn before the entertainment began. – Sca (talk) 15:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose unless Johnson is forced from office over it. At the moment this is a minor political scandal and we don't usually do domestic politics. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – Oh, he's going to "get on with the job," make changes, etc. – Sca (talk) 15:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC) →[reply]

• Comment What the heck is this anyway? --WaltCip-(talk) 15:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose This isn't the actual, full report and it hasn't actually led to any tangible changes (i.e. Boris resigning, which would be the event which merits a blurb).--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 15:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait it's a rapidly developing story, and not as minor as some make it out to be. Would "Watergate" make it onto here? Yes. Would any major scandal involving the leader and most if not all of any country's cabinet make it? Yes. Pandemic restrictions and government handling a global issue? Certainly. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Watergate was a full on crime and coverup that resulted in the resignation of the president and the convictions and jail sentences of many of his top people, so apples and oranges aside from the -gate suffix. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait until this results in a leadership change; if it doesn't it's much ado about nothing. --Jayron32 16:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Not the full report as the criminal investigation is still ongoing. And Boris hasn't gone yet.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Watergate was more interesting. – Sca (talk) 16:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I do not think we should be downplaying the importance and scale of corruption and severity of callousness just because that is what those accused are doing, waiting for ever more investigations. That is exactly what is happening and we should be impartial and not falling for this line of defence; "not a full report", "still police matter", "no-one resigned" are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now he's running against Putin. – Sca (talk) 16:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• "not a full report", "still police matter", "no-one resigned" are irrelevant to the issue at hand. These are exactly the measures of importance that we use for ITN. The fact that a 12 page report has been published which tells people basically nothing, and the impact of which is currently low is exactly the reason why this shouldn't be posted now. If there is an important fallout/consequences from this, then and only then should this be posted. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose for now. This is a big scandal, but the report says, in effect, 'I can't report anything because the police are investigating'. If/when Johnson resigns we should post a blurb, not yet. Modest Genius ^talk 16:52, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose for now If/when the former host of Have I Got News For You resigns, then come back to it. But bring a suitcase full of booze when it happens. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:58, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - there seems to be nothing significant coming out of this at present.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Leonard Fenton

 DobermanPincherDeirdre

Support Tags all done. Ready to be posted. DobermanPincherDeirdre (talk) 11:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support referencing looks to be there. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: 1 CN tag to be resolved. Spencer^T•C 18:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: Should be ready now DobermanPincherDeirdre (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted Stephen 22:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Portuguese legislative election

António Costa

Article: 2022 Portuguese legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Portuguese legislative election, the Socialist Party, led by António Costa (pictured), wins a majority of seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Socialist Party, led by António Costa (pictured), wins a majority of seats in the Portuguese legislative election.
News source(s): Euronews, France24, APNews, Reuters, Theguardian, DW
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: With 98% votes counted counted, its been confirmed that PS will receive the most seats, PS has celebrated the results [4], Costa has been congratulated by several leaders such as the Spanish PM [5] and most importantly RS has declared it a victory for the Socialist Party which makes it a suitable nomination. [6], [7] So far the article has looked promising and in good shape. BastianMAT (talk) 00:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Not change of head of gov, but still de facto ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please note, WP:ITN/R includes general election results. Joofjoof (talk) 05:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no such thing as de facto ITN/R, as it is itself literally a rule. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note Updated the blurbs. It looks like the constituency-level results are still being released. Joofjoof (talk) 06:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• The tables need to be updated with results and there should be a Reactions or Aftermath section, otherwise this is ITNR. --Tone 08:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on quality until results added and some text is added about the outcome aftermath. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Not ready. The results tables lists every party as 0%, there's no prose on the outcome, reactions to the unexpected majority etc. Needs work before it can be posted. Modest Genius ^talk 11:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've added the reaction of every party leader to the aftermath section. Given as the Socialists have a majority, there won't be any coalition negotiations like in the German election, so that's about all unless there are any more resignations. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks. That's good enough prose for me, struck above. The table still needs final percentages though. Modest Genius ^talk 16:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Nominator comment @Tone:, @Joseph2302:, @Modest Genius: I expanded the article, and someone added the full results, article should be ready now. BastianMAT (talk) 18:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Support alt1. Looks good to me. Modest Genius ^talk 18:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support ... Alt1 – Article looks acceptable, if only just. – Sca (talk) 19:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting, nice work! --Tone 19:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose/pull on quality. There is actually no prose on the policies/campaigning/analysis. Only information on voting procedures and rewording voting stats Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support - I think the quality is OK. There could be a bit more on campaigning, certainly, but the basics are there and there is a prose summary of the results and reactions, which sometimes these things lack.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeffrey A. Hutchings

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• User:Stephen It seems it should be written here that it was posted. Kirill C1 (talk) 14:19, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 20:16, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Leonid Kuravlyov

Nominator's comments: Legendary Soviet and Russian actor. Lead roles in top-grossing films. Appeared in adaptations of classic works of Pushkin, Ilf and Petrov, Defoe. It seems he was in most, if not all, famous Soviet films. Kirill C1 (talk) 09:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Needs a couple references, and some section headers would also be ideal. Spencer^T•C 20:43, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added sources. I suppose it is ready. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 01:04, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Norma Waterson

Nominator's comments: "One of the greats of British folk music who burst on to the scene with her family in the 1960s" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Not Quite Ready Just a couple CN tags and should be good to go. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Refs now added for those two, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support No major issues. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• If you have any issues, even minor ones, by all means raise at Talk:Norma Waterson. Thanks.Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted Stephen 05:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: S. K. Paramasivan

Nominator's comments: Indian former Member of Parliament. Article requires some work before it is ready for homepage / RD. Edits done. Article is a reasonable C-class biography. Ktin (talk) 03:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I'm not too familiar with the subject, but is his work with the Aavin milk cooperative part of what he did as a member of the Third Lok Sabha? If not, article needs more info about what he did as a member of the Third Lok Sabha. Spencer^T•C 18:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Spencer: Added more information about his role in the third Lok Sabha. Please have a look. Should be good imo. Ktin (talk) 19:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Needs a reference for the quote about his milk activities, then good to go. Stephen 22:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks @Stephen:. Done. Reintroduced ref. Ktin (talk) 22:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted Stephen 05:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Australian Open

Article: 2022 Australian Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Rafael Nadal (pictured) wins the Men's singles and Ashleigh Barty wins the Women's singles at the Australian Open. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times (CBS Sports)
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. Article needs work. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 11:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Not ready. There is no prose on the actual sport - just a table of winners. The article spends more time talking about Djokovic's vaccination status than it does about the tennis. The individual articles on the men's and women's singles don't have any prose either. Modest Genius ^talk 12:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on quality as per Modest Genius, we need some actual text on the tennis itself e.g. summary of the main competitions. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per above. A prose summary is required for each of the events that took place within the tournament.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeff Innis

 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. Sourced, with the expected level of coverage for a subject. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 19:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Solid article and well referenced. No issues. Marking as "Ready." -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 22:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cheslie Kryst

Nominator's comments: One of the only black women to win Miss USA Trillfendi (talk) 23:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - Looks sourced and good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 00:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 00:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jo Kendall

Nominator's comments: One of the few women in that generation of British comedy, her "John and Mary" sketches with Cleese would always crack me up. There don't seem to be any mainstream obituaries yet but I expect that the BBC will wake up soon. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Work needed on referencing. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Also missing anything on her life after 1993. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Les Shapiro

 Bloom6132 (talk) 02:47, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Relatively short but meets minimum standards. Spencer^T•C 03:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 05:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rashid Byramji

Nominator's comments: Indian horse trainer. Article require some work before it can be ready for homepage. I will work on it. If someone wants to lend a hand, jump right-in. Edits done. Article is a reasonable C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 20:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: "Later, his father, Rustomji Byramji, would take up training the horses" seems a little out of place as written; once sentence is re-written to clarify what this means (or removed), support. Spencer^T•C 04:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Spencer: Done. Please have a look at your convenience. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 05:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted. The problematic sentence pointed out by Spencer has been revised. The rest of the wikibio looks fine. --PFHLai (talk) 01:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sam Lay

Nominator's comments: American drummer. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Green (baseball)

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Obviously long enough with 1026 words of readable prose. Formatting looks fine. There seems to be enough footnotes across the prose. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 04:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Solid article, well referenced, no issues. Marking as "Ready." -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 22:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Howard Hesseman

Nominator's comments: American actor from WKRP in Cincinnati, Head of the Class, etc. Ryan Reeder (talk) 23:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Not Ready Referencing is quite poor and will need some work before this can be posted. Not bothering with CN tags. There would be too many. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I had seriously considered nominating this myself. Fortunately, as the article itself shows, he was a prolific actor and performer. Unfortunately, lack of sourcing is a problem. I've been through this many times before at ITN; been there and done that. It is one of the perverse results at ITN. I expect there will be a lot of hits on this article, without Wikipedia main page exposure. In any event, a great source is the Barnes, Mike (January 30, 2022). "Howard Hesseman, Dr. Johnny Fever on 'WKRP in Cincinnati,' Dies at 81". The Hollywood Reporter. Retrieved January 30, 2022. ... “Howard Hesseman, who made a career out of portraying off-the-wall characters, none more popular than the disc jockey Johnny Fever on the sitcom WKRP in Cincinn...” That source can fill in at least some of the blanks. I missed that it had been updated at the article. I will fix the citation. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ralph Mellanby

Nominator's comments: Executive producer of Hockey Night in Canada (1966–85). Joofjoof (talk) 00:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Adequate article, somewhat big name. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:12, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Looks good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 12:58, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 13:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) January 2022 North American blizzard

(Closed) Tom Brady retirement

No official announcement has yet been made; nomination can be re-opened if confirmed (or renominated if occurs in the future). Spencer^T•C 03:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Tom Brady (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ National Football League quarterback Tom Brady announces his retirement after 22 seasons. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by 331dot (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: I am aware this will be controversial. However, we have posted the retirements of top sportspeople before, Alex Ferguson and Sachin Tendulkar, when they are generally considered to be the best in the sport. I think Brady qualifies. I haven't specifed his current team(Tampa Bay Buccaneers) as most of his career was with the New England Patriots, but have no problem with doing so, or other blurb changes. 331dot (talk) 20:19, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - I'm aware this nomination thread will become a calamity due to it being a U.S.-centric item and the NFL to boot. But there are few sportsmen who can legitimately place themselves in the ranks of "greatest of all time", no matter what the sport, unlike Tom Brady.--WaltCip-(talk) 20:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose At least with Ferguson and Tendulkar, we're talking international sport and play, so there's a bar of comparison across the globe. With gridiron football, its very limited, and many will argue if Brady is the best of all time there (compared to others like Joe Montana, etc.). --

Masem (t) 20:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's no longer any real comparison between Brady and Montana or any other QB. Montana was the most important player on 4 Super Bowl-winning teams. Brady was the most important player on 7, with 3 other teams that went to the Super Bowl. Brady essentially had a second Hall of Fame career after the age of 38 when Montana retired. It could be argued that Montana faced more restrictive rules and defenses than Brady did, but Brady also accomplished his 7 titles in a league with a salary cap, free agency, and more overall parity than Montana dealt with. There really isn't any serious argument against Brady being the best ever to play the game. 65.24.244.191 (talk) 23:17, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gridiron football is played internationally. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nowhere close to the levels of cricket or association football. --Masem (t) 20:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per Masem. I can't wait to see the retirement of the best player in the history of petanque nominated. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per WaltCip. It's certainly in the news, even internationally. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:29, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where is there international coverage? HiLo48 (talk) 22:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right now, while not the top story on any, it's on the front page of skysports.com, L'Equipe, and La Gazzetta dello Sport. 65.24.244.191 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• To add, this is not confirmed. Eg [16]; all the sources are reported on "inside reports". --Masem (t) 20:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Strongest possible oppose No retirements of sports players in sports that are not genuinely international Bumbubookworm (talk) 20:54, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive." 331dot (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the lack of competition in the sport and therefore the lack of justification for posting a retirement, but thanks for admitting that this is a one-country sport. Your extreme parochialism is well-known Bumbubookworm (talk) 21:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bumbubookworm What exactly does that mean? I make great effort to set aside my personal biases and support nominations irrespective of where they are from. Who exactly am I "well known" among? I take offense at your comment. 331dot (talk) 21:50, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the level of competition is so high in cricket then why is the best player a batsman 67% better than anyone else? That doesn't usually happen in the most competitive sports. Why is it that some from countries of parochial population and acreage think sub-international always means "lack of competition"? It's the most popular sport in a country of a third of a billion people and $22 trillion GDP (almost as big as the Eurozone). The country is also the size of Europe. While full UN members can of course be the population and GDP of a small town, some are. Borders are just an accident of history. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - A sports player retiring, even one as good as Brady, doesn't seem to meet the bar of global notability to me. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  But ITN doesn't have a global notability bar. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Leaning oppose. Old man retires. Maybe we should add a "Recent retirements" next to the "Recent deaths" line. BD2412 T 21:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support We have occasionally done retirements and a sportsperson of Brady's stature is one of those rare cases. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose respectfully. We do not do retirements. Nor should we. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ad Orientem That is demonstratably not correct, that we "do not do retirements". We have, and do. They are rare- and should be- but if retiring after winning seven Super Bowls over a 22 year career(Brady was the last active player drafted in 2000) doesn't merit posting, what does? 331dot (talk) 21:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - (edit conflict) I've never only commented here once before :P, but it seems that the discussion is for Brady's retirement would be ITN, not how great he was. He is good enough to be news worthy on this point. Just my 2¢ - FlightTime (open channel) 21:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose An official decision has not been made yet, at least per this report. Support if/when official and article updated. Spencer^T•C 22:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - At this stage. Unless someone can convince me that we would EVER post the retirement of an Australian rules football player. HiLo48 (talk) 22:30, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And why in hell wouldn't we, if they were qualified enough? WaltCip-(talk) 00:14, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If they get in American football with 13 times the fans should get in. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not sure what you're getting at there. HiLo48 (talk) 03:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. The opposition to the inclusion of sporting news in ITN is rather bizarre; it's definitely in the news, and I don't see why sports are any less newsworthy than other sorts of news. The event would clearly be newsworthy and the article on Brady is good. I'm opposing because Brady hasn't actually announced his retirement, per USA Today <https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/tom-brady-retiring-adam-schefter-report/> and the Associated Press <https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/1/29/22908080/tom-brady-retirement>. The frequent denials of the ESPN reporting seem to be indicative that this is premature. However, I would strongly support this when Brady actually announces his retirement (whether it be this year or next). — Mhawk10 (talk) 22:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• TROUTS for every supporter per Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports/Handling sports transactions. We wait for official announcements and Brady's people have pushed back on this.[17][18] – Muboshgu (talk) 23:45, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be a jerk. The sources that initially reported he was retiring was reliable. Even reliable sources can make mistakes. WaltCip-(talk) 00:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WaltCip, have you ever read Template:Trout? Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly. And no, it was not reliable reporting, otherwise it would have been accurate. This ESPN piece that I'm surprised is still up says sources say and sources told ESPN. As discussed in the essay I linked, that's not corroboration. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per WP:SACHINTENDULKAR --LaserLegs (talk) 03:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) Sergio Mattarella re-elected President of Italy

Article: 2022 Italian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sergio Mattarella is elected President of Italy for a second term (Post)
News source(s): BBC Corriere della Sera
Credits:

• Nominated by Yakme (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nick.mon (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Election of a head of state. Also, the re-election of an Italian president is considered to be an exceptional event in Italian politics. Yakme (talk) 19:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose this is a ceremonial post Bumbubookworm (talk) 20:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • So is every European monarch Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support News of international relevance, reported on front pages of all newspapers and website.--Holapaco77 (talk) 21:21, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as election results were often posted in ITN. As Yakme pointed out, Mattarella got re-elected, with only Giorgio Napolitano achieving that feat before him, so it's quite an exceptional event. Also, this is of relevance both national and international, as Italy is a major power in Europe, but currently is in a political crisis. Therefore, the President, although in a mainly ceremonial role, has a lot of influence in serving as a mediator of unity in a politically divided country/society. - CDE34RFV (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Ah, interesting. Thanks for adding context. --47.155.96.47 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per CDE34RFV. Re-election is rare in Italy, with the seven-year term usually being a lifetime achievement award for the most experienced judges and politicians. It is even more unusual as Mattarella was counting himself out until a few hours ago. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. I'm not opposing this but it seems less significant to me because the President of Italy is not chosen by popular vote, but from a meeting of parliament and regional officials. 331dot (talk) 22:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Something similar is true of the U.S. President, because of our jury-rigged political system. (The statement "The POTUS is not chosen by popular vote" is strictly true.) Of course, POTUS is both head of state and head of government. --47.155.96.47 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Point taken, although the US President is chosen by people specifically selected for that purpose and are bound by popular vote to choose a particular candidate; the US President is not chosen by Congress and state governors. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. A country electing its head of state is noteworthy enough for this. The President has real power over the Italian armed forces and is not purely ceremonial. — Mhawk10 (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• If it is "exceptional", sounds good to me. --47.155.96.47 (talk) 23:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support As much RS coverage has remarked, the President of Italy is far more than just ceremonial in practice, particularly with the current state of Italian politics. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 03:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose powerless figurehead, elected by representatives from the national assembly not a popular vote. Utterly irrelevant. The Prime Minister of Italy wields actual authority. A country electing its "head of state" is not especailly noteworthy when that title is honorific and I don't understand how that argument keeps surfacing. If WP:ITNC is not a simple !vote count, there is no reason for this to be posted. --LaserLegs (talk) 03:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting. As indicated above, in this case, the president is not purely ceremonial, and the article is extensive. --Tone 07:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Role is largely ceremonial, even if it does have a few vestigial powers. Doesn't reach reach the threshold for ITN/R, and could open the floodgates for two postings per country in other cases too, which would be excessive.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:39, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note, the nomination has not been treated as ITNR, but as a regular nomination that saw sufficient support to post. --Tone 10:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose except it didn't have sufficient support by any reasonable measure, especially to post so quickly and in contradiction to established precedent. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Except that when it got posted it had 5 Supports to 2 Opposes (more than a 2 to 1 supermajority) after 11 hours 44 minutes, which seems fairly reasonable to me. But I strongly agree that it should be viewed as basically a ceremonial post. Most ceremonial heads of state are nominally heads of the armed forces and have some sort of role to play in a hung parliament, so treating this post as non-ceremonial, as arguably unnecessarily stated by the poster, may possibly risk undermining the hard-won recently established new consensus on ITNR in this area (a consensus with which I now strongly agree, even though I had little to do with it, apart perhaps from unexpectedly and arguably regrettably succeeding with an ITNR nom that should arguably have failed on quality grounds and that perhaps annoyed enough people to help bring about the ITNR change ). Of course being ceremonial need not bar it from being posted if it has enough support, but how ceremonial it is or isn't should arguably be a question solely for supporters and opponents and, at least in future, should arguably not be cited by the posting admin as a reason for posting. Tlhslobus (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Post-posting Support because I personally think we should usually (subject to quality, etc) have 2 postings for 'important' countries (provisionally defined as population of 50 million or more) that have separate heads of state and government. I am strongly opposed to the notion that we should, for instance, not post changes in the President of India or the Queen of England or the Emperor of Japan simply because some people fear that might also allow two postings for lots of small countries (including my own, Ireland). If we don't post the Italian ceremonial head of state, that risks lots of anti-British editors using that as justification for trying to block the new monarch of England/of the United Kingdom (perhaps especially if the Queen changes her mind and decides to retire rather than die in office), which might result in some undesirable editor and reader retention problems, etc. Similar editor and reader retention problems may arise if we fail to post a change in the President of India, etc... Of course if and when we do end up with too many postings this will tend to be self-fixing as long as these postings are not forced on us by ITNR (as they won't be, given our (fairly) new ITNR criteria). Tlhslobus (talk) 17:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• New Normal? Does this now open us up to posting Presidents and Prime Ministers of most countries? E.g. India. I am alright with that, but, we should codify it if that is the expectation. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 18:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  It makes very little sense to me, and I'm not quite sure why this one was posted, given what we have and haven't posted in the past. We should at least have some sort of convention on this, rather than relying on whoever turns up and happens to WP:ILIKEIT or WP:IDONTLIKEIT on the night...  — Amakuru (talk) 21:42, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  The whole reason we setlled on the green shaded cell for List of current heads of state and government was to end the endless back and forth regarding ITN/R. It doesn't stop someone from nominating a powerless figurehead appointed outside the popular vote as was the case here. If you want to try to codify the practice WT:ITN is the place to do it. IMO there may be cases where these kinds of stories are noteworthy but this wasn't one of them. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @LaserLegs and Amakuru: agree with both of you. Anyways, onwards and upwards! Ktin (talk) 22:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• In practice any codification is probably going to have to include the British monarch, and the least harmful/'least racist' way to do that seems to be to say 'countries with population over 50 million'. Or does anybody have a less unacceptable criterion (although this is probably the wrong forum for this discussion)? Tlhslobus (talk) 12:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Harold R. Steele

 Bloom6132 (talk) 17:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Long enough (500+ words of readable prose), with enough footnotes placed in expected spots, and the formatting looks fine. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 22:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Diego Verdaguer

Nominator's comments: Mexican-Argentinian singer, multiple Latin Grammy nominee; over 20 million records sold according to BBC. Article needs a lot of attention. --2806:109F:1:16E1:CC73:D5BD:447B:57C5 (talk) 21:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose – A 98-word stub plus unreferenced discography. – Sca (talk) 23:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – Per Sca - FlightTime (open channel) 08:44, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Not ready Still a stub with 776 characters of readable prose. Discography section still unreferenced. Please expand and add REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 00:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gene Clines

 – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Meets minimum standards for depth of coverage; fully referened. Spencer^T•C 05:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Georg Christoph Biller

Nominator's comments: German choral conductor, Thomaskantor. Grimes2 (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• I created the article for the 16th person in the position after Bach in 2010. Some refs were missing, dead or unreliable, but Grimes2 did a great job, including adding content. We recently added the article for the 18th successor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• A little short but still long enough (>400 words), formatting looks fine and there are enough footnotes across the prose, this wikibio is READY for RD. AGF'd all non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 07:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Ready, but Gerda Arendt I had one question: how exactly was he "instrumental in the new building for the boarding school"? (Intro says "buildings"?) Unclear what that means. Spencer^T•C 17:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll take care of it, - it's much more the buildings - one source says "a vision". I'll see what I can do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

•  Posted. El_C 20:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Johan Hultin

Nominator's comments: Swedish American pathologist. Discovered tissues containing traces of the 1918 influenza virus from graves in Alaskan permafrost. Thriley (talk) 07:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article looks ready to me, seems to adequately cover what he was notable for. Spencer^T•C 04:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 14:06, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charanjit Singh

Nominator's comments: Indian hockey captain. Article is currently a stub and needs to be expanded. Edits done. Article is a reasonable C-class biography and is good to go to the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is now 2974 characters, and referencing looks good. Joofjoof (talk) 04:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barry Cryer

Nominator's comments: Comedy performer and writer whose career spanned decades and a range of comedy styles. The article needs some updating - a little thin in content, and much under-referenced. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:E5F5:136:21C0:A3AB (talk) 10:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support agree with nominator that the article needs some work though, especially his later work. jonas (talk) 21:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Have added more sources. A comedy genius. But then don't trust me. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support purely on good faith in my more clever comedy associate here with the dryer British knowhow. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:31, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Or did you mean your dire British, etc.? – Sca (talk) 13:10, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Elps ta keep ya sensa yuma, dunnit." Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted --PFHLai (talk) 19:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Janet Mead

Nominator's comments: Australian Catholic nun & pop-rock singer. 700+ words of readable prose. Could use more footnotes here and there, almost ready for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 21:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Bannett

Nominator's comments: Inventor of Shabbat elevator, passed away at 100 years of age. 800+ words of readable prose, with at least 2 footnotes/paragraph. It would be great if someone familiar with Shabbat and engineering to review the contents of this wikibio, as I am clueless if the appropriate vocabulary is in use. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 16:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PFHLai, I'm not an engineer, but I am Jewish and attended a synagogue with a Shabbat elevator. We're not allowed to "create a spark" on Shabbat, which is interpreted as a prohibition on using anything electronic, so the elevator is programmed in advance to go one floor at a time, one of our many loopholes we've carved out. Seems he worked on some other loopholes I didn't know about too. Jewish terminology is sensible to me. Any particular questions? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Muboshgu. I don't have any specific questions. I was concerned that there may be some religiously/culturally inappropriate materials that need to be dealt with before the link goes on ITN. I am glad that things are "sensible". Thanks, again. --PFHLai (talk) 17:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Seems to meet the criteria. The Shabbat elevator, which Bannet invented, really is a "thing" in the Jewish world, with special importance for hospitals and such.--Geewhiz (talk) 16:28, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 05:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jeremiah Stamler

Nominator's comments: American cardiologist. Article requires work. Not too far away. Ktin (talk) 05:53, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tropical Storm Ana

Article: Tropical Storm Ana (2022) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tropical Storm Ana kills 88 people across Madagascar, Mozambique and Malawi. (Post)
News source(s): (The Guardian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Large death toll from a tropical storm. Mentioned in 2022’s timeline and Weather of 2022. Easily ITN worthy. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose on quality (support on notability tho) – Article needs at least some expansion over the two sentences in the lead and impact section at present. Met hist is also incomplete. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support due the large death toll, Oppose on quality the article need expansion as per Cyclonebiskit. HurricaneEdgar 05:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on quality as needs expansion. If expanded, then consider this a support- looks more than important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Thin, undersourced. – Sca (talk) 13:47, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Like others, there is only one sentence about the impact. Would support this if expanded to give a more complete picture of the impact of the storm. --Jayron32 18:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support on notability, oppose on quality. Per Cyclonebiskit. Nyanardsan (talk) 20:32, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Heinz Werner Zimmermann

Nominator's comments: German church musician and professor, whose music was influenced by jazz, and whose key work premiered in Minneapolis. The article was begun in 2006 by Jerome Kohl, - long live his memory also. Sorry, I was on vacation, and missed a notice in the FAZ printed on 27 Jan. Hope it's not too late for him. - There's Biller open, 27 Jan, successor of JS Bach, - why? If something is missing, tell me. Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• With 2500 characters (385 words) of readable prose, it's a little short, but still long enough to qualify. Formatting looks fine. There seems to be enough footnotes, though I have to AGF all non-English sources. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 04:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: One unsourced sentence with a CN tag. Spencer^T•C 05:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  sorry, my fault, it happened when I split the para to insert the pic. I now copied the following ref (Grove) and added another which is online without subscription. Spencer, what's missing for Biller (27 Jan)?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Had not had a chance to review that one. Spencer^T•C 17:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Sourced start article. Grimes2 (talk) 09:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 17:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jean-Claude Corbeil

 Bloom6132 (talk) 14:04, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Long enough (400+ words), formatting looks fine, and there are enough footnotes across the prose, this wikibio is READY for RD. AGF'd the non-English sources. --PFHLai (talk) 15:25, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Looks fine. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:08, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 06:00, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Robbins

Nominator's comments: Voice actor for Charlie Brown in the early Peanuts TV specials and the first movie. Death announced yesterday. Article is comprehensive and well referenced. –FlyingAce^✈hello 17:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Seems well sourced and it is getting a lot of media attention. Jtnav04 (talk) 19:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Well sourced. An editor has recently added a statement at the end about Robbins not having married or had children. This may need to be sourced or removed before posting to RD, but it seems good to go once that is dealt with. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Filmography and Awards lack any references. Stephen 04:21, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Two whole sections are tagged for lacking references. That needs to be fixed before I can support posting this to the main page. --Jayron32 18:26, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Milena Salvini

Nominator's comments: Winner of India's fourth highest civilian award the Padma Shri Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:13, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – A bit thin at 220 words of text. – Sca (talk) 17:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Entire decades of her biography are missing from the text. We have about 1 sentence of information from 1962, 1975, 1980, 1999, and 2001. That's MASSIVELY incomplete for a person notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Someone needs to expand this with solid references before it is ready for the main page. --Jayron32 18:28, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ozzie

Nominator's comments: African-born western lowland gorilla who resided at the Zoo Atlanta from 1988 until his death. TJMSmith (talk) 14:49, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment – Might that be "the world's oldest living male gorilla in captivity"? – 17:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

I think that is likely true. I stuck to how the sources stated it. TJMSmith (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Old gorilla di...I mean, referencing looks good. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oh sweet Jesus, you had me worried about the other one for a minute there. Anyways, Support; good referencing and nice article. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 23:46, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 03:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Stephen or another admin: could we change the link from Ozzie to Ozzie (gorilla)? Right now, it's an WP:EASTEREGG, and when people see Ozzie, they're much more likely to assume Ozzy Osbourne (even though the spelling is different). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:33, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• But we would never just put Ozzy on its own? Stephen 10:43, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Aye, Ozzy Osbourne has a surname to set him apart. This is Ozzie, the mononym. Don't treat him like a freak just because he wasn't human, I advise. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In practice, we've almost never added disambigutors to RD displays, though there's occasional rumblings about doing so for non-primary topics.—Bagumba (talk) 07:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Erwin Eisch

Nominator's comments: artist in glass from Bavaria who used the material as a means of expression, internationally known - the article was written long ago by a user who left in 2011, many offline sources, the latest refs support the content but many details need to be be believed Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support I've added some ISBN and OCLC. Article ok. Grimes2 (talk) 11:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 22:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Wim Jansen

Nominator's comments: Member of the great Dutch football team of the 1970s, later won the Scottish league in his one season as manager of Celtic. I've painstakingly sourced this through English, Dutch and French sources. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:2870:1B66:F076:7A1C (talk) 15:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support No issues.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support article looks good. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Question: Is the table of Club statistics complete? Looks a bit too empty. There should be some figures on each row in the totals column, no? --PFHLai (talk) 01:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Verifying that it is the total is hard to do as there seems to be little in recording appearances in the KNVB Cup. This website [19] shades its cells in red where the data is incomplete, which is every season except his very last one. Even this Dutch website doesn't track KNVB Cup stats on Jansen at all [20] I don't know if this is a blow against posting the recent death. 2A00:23C5:E187:5F00:AC0D:AEB:53CB:48D1 (talk) 16:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks. I see that new numbers have been added to the table. --PFHLai (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Protests over responses to the COVID-19 pandemic

(Posted) RD: John Arrillaga

Nominator's comments: American developer. Article needs to be updated. Edits done. Article is a good C-class biography for the homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 05:35, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Marc Andreessen's father-in-law. Source has been added for death, but the section on his career needs expansion. Joofjoof (talk) 08:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Not a stub, but "Career" is too sparse.—Bagumba (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the comments @Joofjoof and Bagumba: - have made a few edits. Please have a look at your convenience. I believe it meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 08:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Long enough (>600 words), with enough footnotes in expected spots, and formatting looks fine, this wikibio is READY for RD to me. Does Joofjoof or Bagumba want another look? The career section has been slightly expanded in recent edits. --PFHLai (talk) 12:52, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The career coverage is better now. Joofjoof (talk) 13:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Looks good to go now.BabbaQ (talk) 12:55, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Sufficient now.—Bagumba (talk) 17:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 19:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Heidelberg University shooting

(Closed) James Webb Telescope

Consensus is to wait for first images. Stephen 04:22, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: James Webb Space Telescope (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The James Webb Space Telescope reaches its target orbit at the Earth-Sun L2 Lagrange point. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I am marking this ITNR, but this might be one of those exceptional cases. The probe has reached its destination which is ITNR, but 1) we had posted its launch in Dec, and 2) in 5 months we'd expect to start seeing images from it. So this could be a case of "let's wait those five months", but I'm throwing this out there as a possible ITN. Masem (t) 04:15, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• It's a spacecraft and it has arrived at its destination, I don't see why it shouldn't be posted now, or why it can't be posted when we get images. Too many postings is not our problem, usually. 331dot (talk) 08:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• I'd prefer posting once it starts collecting data but I don't oppose posting once more at this point, always good to have science stories on ITN. And the telescope is one of the biggest recent science stories. --Tone 09:14, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait This craft doesn't really have a destination as it's designed to keep moving. The complex unfurling and alignment is the real challenge and that's not complete yet. Better to wait until it's operational when we will presumably have its first image to show. See Timeline of the James Webb Space Telescope. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is incorrect; its destination is the L2 point. 331dot (talk) 11:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, they don't want it to go to that point because it would then be in shadow and its solar panels wouldn't work. And there's literally nothing there. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a permanent ring eclipse so the solar panels would work a little. Entering the quasi-orbit around L2 would be kind of a destination. Complex distant stuff tug-of-war causing quasi-orbits of nothing is pretty cool, L4 and L5 asteroids even need the Coriolis effect to orbit! Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Davidson Then you might want to tell the entire scientific community, NASA, and all RS that say that's where it's going. 331dot (talk) 18:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Its final destination is an orbit. This happens to be true of every spacecraft not intended to land on/in something or sent on an escape trajectory. Though, since that something will inevitably be orbiting something else, if you wanted to be a real pedant you could say that counts too. For that matter, any trajectory can technically be considered an orbit, some just being hyperbolic orbits that never return to their origin point! --47.155.96.47 (talk) 00:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait – For coverage with images. – Sca (talk) 13:26, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support add an image from the article. An orbit around the sun near L2 is a destination. Big news that it made it there in working condition. Article is solid. Jehochman ^Talk 02:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The SOHO animation which someone has posted (right) shows a different satellite from the 20th century and so seems too confusing to be useful. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:03, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, would have to be a James Webb-specific animation. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 13:52, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let's use the illustration at the top of this section. Jehochman ^Talk 14:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would work. There's apparently an animation on the article but it would need to say not to scale. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:35, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• This has been "in the news", with widespread coverage. I see no issue with posting. As a reminder, the idea of ITN is to help readers quickly access articles relevant to things that are getting covered "in the news". I don't see why it can't also be posted once the telescope sees first light. --47.155.96.47 (talk) 00:14, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait. Yes technically it has reached its physical destination, but it's not yet in scientific operation, which requires months of calibration and commissioning first. It seems better to WP:IAR and post whenever the first light images are released (which is likely to be less than 5 months). Those will be far more interesting and get a more substantial update to the article. Modest Genius ^talk 13:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose As the nom itself notes, nothing tangible except 'destination' reached. The launch had already been posted, wait for now. ITN is not an update ticker. Gotitbro (talk) 16:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Sheldon Silver

Nominator's comments: American politician, speaker of the New York state assembly (1994–2015), dies in prison at age 77. Article looks solid. Davey2116 (talk) 22:16, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. This reads like an attack page. Someone knowledgeable needs to check the solidity of the sourcing and the appropriate balance. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, it is NYS politics... it's messy as hell in Albany. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I've looked at the article and I believe it's ready. The article is well sourced and I do think it is balanced given the criminal biography aspect. He did die in prison, after all (well, seems he was transferred to a hospital, but he was still an inmate). I don't have POV concerns, and I am a native of New York who followed Silver's speakership and criminal proceedings somewhat. That said, another lead paragraph that doesn't mention his crimes could help. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per Muboshgu. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 04:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ayberk Pekcan

 Ainty Painty (talk) 15:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. On a very quick look, badly needs some copy edits as well as sourcing for the entire filmography. I suspect when the puffery/repetition is removed it will appear very stubby. I would also strongly prefer that it did not link to the Turkish 'pedia without using the interlanguage link formatting which indicates which language the target is in. Espresso Addict (talk) 23:25, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Not ready. The ((Interlanguage link)) template has been deployed, but the Filmography section has remained unreferenced. There is only one ((cn)) tag, but the prose (338 words) has not changed much during the past week. More work is needed, but eligibility is running out soon.--PFHLai (talk) 01:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Burkinabé coup d'état

Article: 2022 Burkinabé coup d'état (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Burkina Faso, a coup d'état led by military officer Paul-Henri Sandaogo Damiba deposes President Roch Marc Christian Kaboré (pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Burkina Faso, a coup d'état led by military officer Paul-Henri Sandaogo Damiba deposes President Roch Marc Christian Kaboré (pictured) and announces the dissolution of the parliament, government and constitution.
News source(s): BBC; Aljazzera; Reuters; France24 APNews
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: A very major event, all RS reporting this, article needs updating and expanding before it is posted. Events might change in the coming hours, so the blurb may be updated accordingly. Honestly concerning like all previous coup d'etats. Update - Kabore deposed, government, parliament and constituion dissolved. [21] An ITNR tag has been added, as there is a ”Change in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government.” BastianMAT (talk) 10:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - Major event. But article really needs an update. (PenangLion (talk) 10:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC))[reply]
• Oppose Seems like a chaotic situation and the article is similar, e.g. "The mutinying mutinying soldiers". And coups in Africa seem commonplace. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that the article needs a lot of work. However the news itself is more than noteworthy, and if the coup succeds, it will fall under ITNR. ”Changes in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government.” The article is not ready, we don’t know the clear outcome of the coup yet, however the situation and a government change should be more than noteworthy. We will have to wait and see what happens, and in the meantime improve the article. BastianMAT (talk) 11:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Look at 2015 Burkinabé coup d'état. In that case, the coup didn't stick and the president was reinstated a week later. We're an encyclopedia, not a breaking news service, and will look bad if we post flip-flops. We should allow plenty of time to let the dust settle. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:30, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support on significance, Oppose on quality. At the moment the article contains several sentences that don't make sense (e.g. "Although the government denied the ongoing coup in the country."), Unencyclopedic writing, what appears to be several unsourced statements (e.g. The Military are scheduled to make an announcement) and a couple of sections which are either blank or contain a single sentence. With a bit of expansion and copyediting this would be a good thing to post though. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 12:23, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

France24 (most reliable western msm for Africa) says the prez is being held by the mil https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220124-burkina-faso-president-kabore-held-by-mutinying-soldiers-sources-tell-france-24?ref=tw_i

• That's a live feed and what it actually says currently is "Uncertainty in Burkina Faso over fate of President Kaboré". Andrew🐉(talk) 13:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - In terms of notability, it's clearly a major geopolitical event. The quality of the article is currently lacking but most major media sources are covering it now (as of 8:00 AM EST), so it should improve rapidly over the next day or two. --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 13:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on quality as article needs expansion, and also source checking (the Sputnik Mundo source looks like it's depreciated according to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_296#RfC:_Sputnik). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:50, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Kaboré held, etc. AP, BBC, France24 – Sca (talk) 13:58, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support on notability. Not ready yet on quality.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:46, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as Pikamander2 noted, the article has plenty of potential for improvement. I'll see what I might be able to contribute. Ludicrous (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support because it's important enough & the article is good enough. Jim Michael (talk) 17:01, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - there are two orange tags at the moment, which are usually blockers to posting.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:11, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Update - Kabore deposed, government, parliament and constituion dissolved. [22] An ITNR tag has been added, as there is a ”Change in the holder of the office which administer the executive of their respective state/government.” BastianMAT (talk) 18:24, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support on significance, as it made NYT push alert. Haven't investigated quality. ((u|Sdkb)) ^talk 18:51, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support when article is deemed suitable, per above. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Support once article is ready to go. Coups are big news. The Kip (talk) 05:29, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• There are two orange tags to expand, one in background and one in the coup section. Please fix this before we can post. --Tone 08:53, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tone: Fixed it, article seems to be pretty good now, should be ready for a front page.

• • Posting. --Tone 09:23, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright nice, @Tone: can you add the nom to my profile? Thinking of adding a display on my profile of all articles I have contributed and nominated to pretty soon. Cheers and have a great day mate! BastianMAT (talk) 09:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Presenting this as a done deal seems quite improper. Look at what happened last time – ITN rushed to post after just one day but then, a week later, the President was reinstated. The blurb says that the President has been "deposed" but the rebels themselves say that he has been "suspended". The reality seems to be that he's being held prisoner but now the challenge for the rebels is whether they can convince everyone that they are in charge. And can they then establish a functioning administration. A lot will depend on how foreign governments react, especially France.

Remember the march on the Capitol, when the result of the US election was being challenged? In such circumstances, it's a power struggle and the rebels don't always win. We should not rush to declare a winner in such confused and chaotic circumstances.

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is not about convincing "everyone that they are in charge". The classic goal of every coup seems to have been achieved - the president is no longer in power. So, as an accomplished coup, this has been duly posted. If things change, the blurb could be bumped higher to reflect those changes. Brandmeister^talk 14:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Any reason why Burkina Faso isn't a wikilink in the posted blurb? As someone unfamiliar with the country I would have appreciated one, as I wasn't initially sure whether it was a country, a province or other territory. 82.15.196.46 (talk) 15:51, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There is a long-standing convention that nation states are not Wikilinked in ITN as part of the MOS:OVERLINK principle - the idea being that most people have heard of most countries. I guess Burkina Faso is probably close to the bottom of the recognizability stakes for most people, but we apply a level playing field for all. (I went there on holiday once, so I do know a bit more about it myself!)  — Amakuru (talk) 23:47, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 5G

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