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Syrian businessman and Syriatel owner Rami Makhlouf makes an "unprecedented" public appeal to his cousin, President Bashar al-Assad, on Facebook, saying a "cadre of officials" are seeking to seize his assets. Makhlouf, who was a part of President al-Assad's inner circle, says he will pay the President himself but not the state. (The Washington Post)
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To my understanding, there's no such thing as absolute certainty in science. However, I think John M Wolfson is justified in wanting to see more than one study about this. —Matthew - (talk)16:19, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support article is GA, is updated, is being reported by WP:RS, the box is painfully stale and my six year old has informed me that this is a really big deal. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, it is an excellent argument for inclusion. Whenever the oldest story is of no interest to readers (because anyone who is interested read it weeks ago), substituting a new one serves 3 of the 4 stated purposes of ITN. GreatCaesarsGhost12:35, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It is a rather awful argument. I agree that freshness is good, but we must also have significance. The fact that nothing is happening in the world right now (except for a really big thing we have a special box for) does not mean that a insignificant niche event somehow becomes magically notable enough for the Main Page. I agree that the staleness is frustrating, but the proper response is to look for better news stories than some dinosaur fact (not to put down palaeontology, as I have a background in biological sciences) rather than loosen our standards. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:54, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Already seemed pretty aquatic to me. Dimetrodon, too. But if it's later discovered to have used the fin to generate wind, I'm all aboard! InedibleHulk (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no expert, barely a student, just my gut feeling. Reminds me of a beaver, iguana and sailboat; not exactly a marine creature, though, a casual swimmer. And yes, hunches have a poor history in paleontology, so no, don't cite me on this or illustrate anything accordingly! InedibleHulk (talk) 17:17, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support I actually expected to see this in ITN already. It’s a cool science story that even children can understand. Zagalejo^^^13:54, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
'Coolness' is not a criterion for ITN. Significance is. Whatever significance this 'discovery' – "suggesting" a fin-like tail in a species thought to have lived 100 million years ago – would be limited to a niche audience; ergo, it lacks general significance. – Sca (talk) 14:41, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's at least a significant story within paleontology, and it did appear in mainstream news services. We're not talking about some arcane argument about phylogenetics. This study suggests that one of the best known dinosaurs looked and behaved in a different manner than we thought. There's a large audience of casual dinosaur enthusiasts throughout the world who would understand and appreciate this story. I don't think the story is fundamentally less significant than the Hugo Awards, or the World Snooker Championship, or various other things listed at ITNR. Not everything that goes into ITN is a disaster or an election.
As a reader, I was quite enthused by this news and Spinosaurus is way cooler than protozoa or elections. It was a damn good nomination! Just not blurb material, if I put my curator hat on. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support In a busier news cycle I'd probably give this a pass. But it is interesting. It's relevance in a world dominated by politics and body counts might be debated, but I think it passes muster. The article quality is GA and yes, it would be nice to get something new up. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure if this is still up for promotion to the Main Page, but whatever happens can we please spell "theropod" correctly?--Khajidha (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - The "Other activities" section should either be supported with references or removed (it can be transferred to the talk page temporarily) in my opinion, otherwise looks good. - Indefensible (talk) 21:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Moved "Other Activities" to article talk page as suggested Joseywales1961 (talk)
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Comment a few statements at the start of 'Biography', in the middle of 'Works' and some in 'Awards' should be sourced before this article is ready for RD Joseywales1961 (talk) 16:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Mostly looks good, there are just a few unreferenced awards, which I've tagged. I'll support RD once those are addressed. Definitely not blurb territory. Modest Geniustalk11:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A fire at a four-story warehouse under construction in Icheon, South Korea, kills 38 construction workers and injures 10 others. An additional 40 people remain unaccounted for. The fire is the most deadly in the country since 2003. (BBC News)(The Guardian)
Yemeni authorities in Aden report five cases of COVID-19, the highest total to date, amid fears that the disease could be spreading undetected in a country where millions face famine and lack medical care. (Reuters)
Over 500 Venezuelan migrants block a major toll road in northern Bogotá, Colombia, demanding they be allowed to return home after the coronavirus pandemic caused economic opportunities to dry up. (Reuters)
(52768) 1998 OR2, a near-Earth asteroid that is 2 kilometers (1.2 mi) wide, makes a close approach of 0.042 AU (6.3 million km; 16 LD) to Earth. It will not approach closer than this until 2079. (Sky News)
Oppose We're half way there. News sources are covering the story in sufficient detail, which is good, but the article is a stub right now, and contains almost no useful information beyond what can be said in a blurb. Needs considerable expansion. --Jayron3219:03, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Ideally, this should have been posted three days ago. (Bleve AP and Reuters had stories.) Now it's getting rather stale. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Cellist, last surviving member of the Amadeus Quartet, much more could be said but be repetitive to the quartet - I'm just listening to the interview where he said that Benjamin Britten wrote a quartet for them. Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Swedish author. Not COVID-19. The article is very short, no bibliography at present. TompaDompa (talk) 23:33, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: English footballer, captained his country. Needs a significant amount of work, which I'll try to have a go at now. All cited now, I think. Black Kite (talk)21:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Latvian athlete and IAAF Hall of Famer. Three medals in three Olympic Games and 4 golds in 4 different European Championships. The article, unfortunatelly, is a stub with a orange tag. --SirEdimonDimmi!!! 19:36, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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Nominator's comments: I will work on it once activity subsides, if necessary. I don't know if this is blurbworthy; it surprised me but I don't follow personal lives of celebrities. Usedtobecool☎️07:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb — Important personality. His films grossed $3.643 billion. Has been awarded fourth-highest civilian award Padma Shri. Died young and non COVID related death. It's a huge shock for everyone.~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk11:31, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Support in principle, but his death needs to be written up in the article (Later life and legacy section perhaps?). The citation for the death date can be removed from the first sentence, but his death should be noted in the last paragraph of the lead, and properly written up in the body, with the citations. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - There are still a couple references needed and the Awards section in particular needs better support, but overall I think it is sufficient. - Indefensible (talk) 18:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yes, I tweaked the sections and improved some of the citing too - but just noticed above that you wrote in the nomination that he was imprisoned on Robben Island with Mandela... He wasn't; because of the racial segregation, he went to a prison for Whites in Pretoria. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:31, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A pug in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, becomes the first dog in the United States to test positive for COVID-19. Three of the humans it lives with have also tested positive for the disease. (WRAL-TV)
Bolivia and Chile agree on a deal to return home hundreds of Bolivian migrants stranded at a makeshift camp in Santiago. The migrants will be transported to Iquique where they will spend 14 days in quarantine before finally returning to Bolivia. (Reuters)
Protests erupt in major cities across Lebanon for the second day over the country's continuing economic problems. Banks and vehicles are set on fire, and clashes between the protestors and the army in Tripoli leave around 40 soldiers injured. (Reuters)
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I believe the article is wholly referenced now and ready to go. If someone has the time, possibly adding a lede to the article would be of great benefit. Thanks Zingaresetalk · contribs02:47, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: I fixed the lede; please let me know if this is satisfactory now. (Also please ping me next time, so I could have done it myself and sooner. I had already expressed concern above about the lede!!) Zingaresetalk · contribs16:35, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Striking oppose. @Zingarese: I typically don't ping on !votes, but would if I was rebutting or seeking a response. I didn't see your comment before (and probably would have assumed you didn't have the time if I did) Reagrds.—Bagumba (talk) 17:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delta Air Lines announces it is suspending flights to several small-hub airports after losing $534 million in the first quarter of this year due to aviation restrictions caused by the coronavirus pandemic. (MLive.com)
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Nominator's comments: American "legendary motocross" racer. --SirEdimonDimmi!!! 19:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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KingSalman issues an order to partially lift the curfew in all regions of the country except Mecca, where a 24-hour curfew continues. Saudi authorities report 16,299 infections and 136 deaths nationwide. (Al Jazeera)
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Support Refs spot checked. This article contains even less personal information than the nomination immediately above and borders on resumé. It nonetheless ticks the boxes.130.233.2.206 (talk) 07:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The separatist Southern Transitional Council (STC) announces the establishment of a self-rule administration in southern Yemen. The internationally-recognized government describes this move as "catastrophic." STC forces are deployed in the city of Aden as emergency rule is declared. (Reuters)
Health and environment
The Lost Apple Project, a non-profit conservationist society based in the Pacific Northwest, announces the rediscovery of ten cultivars of apples previously thought to be extinct. The decad almost doubles the total amount of species the society has rescued, bringing the total to 23. (CNN)
Foreign Minister of BangladeshAK Abdul Momen says that it is not the responsibility of his country to rescue more than 500 Rohingya refugees who have been at sea for weeks. Momen tells Al Jazeera they "should ask the Myanmar government first because they are their citizens". (Al Jazeera)
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Comment - This is not going to go up in time ahead of other more recent RDs that are ready to be posted to the Main Page. Even though the press was late to report this, it's still stale. WaltCip (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Added a few refs to the infobox. The championships have Wiki links which go to articles with the particulars for those years listed, hopefully that works. - Indefensible (talk) 03:28, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Except that I checked a couple and the team or his name were not mentioned in the linked article (and then there's a secondary issue in that even if they were mentioned would they be referenced). For example, 1967 does not mention Alcorn or Casem. Is there a website that lists all his career coaching stats we could put at the top or bottom as a source? Stephen03:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Black college football national championship article has the 4 championships listed, upon closer inspection the SWAC years listed were for winning their conference and not necessarily a championship. We can probably strip all of the years out except for the championship years if needed, as those seem to be the most notable ones and have supporting references. - Indefensible (talk) 04:09, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose 1240 bytes of prose, criteria I usually see for non-stub status is >1500 bytes. The article was created the 26th, and I am unfamiliar with the notability requirements for photographers (I know GNG, but the citations do not have published dates, so I do not know if they are all obituaries which may mean article does not meet notability requirements; I don't have the time to go through them all right now). Removing ready tag, would like an article expansion and someone that has more time to analyze to comment on notability. Kees08 (Talk)17:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The time limit issue is not an issue the last article is from 23 April. I have expanded the article. The sources are good.BabbaQ (talk) 17:52, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - sourcing. It could be that Biography paragraph is supposed to all be sourced from the Dagens Nyheter obituary, but I can't tell because it's behind a paywall, and the Recognition paragraph isn't sourced either.Support - a bit short, but acceptable now - good work. Black Kite (talk)15:06, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Former NASA Administrator. Death happened on April 23, announced by NASA on April 25. This is my first nomination, feel free to move it to April 23 if it is more appropriate. The article is in quite a state right now, I will do major improvements. (UPDATE: The article is now adequate, IMO.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 06:36, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Seems to meet the requirements, however the article is almost entirely supported by a few NASA refs which are probably primary sources in this situation, so it would be good to get additional 3rd party reliable sources I think. - Indefensible (talk) 16:05, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Oppose Lead identifies him first as a businessman but there is only 1 sentence about what he did as a businessman in the article. Insufficient depth of coverage in that part of his life. "Weak" since the art collector side meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C01:02, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: This can be closed (or I will withdraw) if it turns out to be untrue, but this would certainly be newsworthy if it is indeed correct. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:16, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The NYP says that he could also be in a vegetative state; this is going to be difficult to determine given the opaqueness of North Korea. 331dot (talk) 18:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – All primary Eng.-lang. RS sites ignore, downplay or characterize as speculation this so-called report. In the absence of credible information, suggest CLOSE before we waste any more time on this. – Sca (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The Saudi-led coalition announces the extension of a unilateral ceasefire by one month to fight the pandemic. The Houthis did not accept the coalition's previous ceasefire that expired Thursday. Reportedly, the Houthis "want a lifting of air and sea blockades imposed by the coalition to the regions they control before agreeing to a ceasefire". (Reuters)
Unknown gunmen attack the headquarters of the government-backed Pan Say militia in Muse, Shan State. The attackers opened fire with small arms and artillery before fleeing in cars and motorbikes. No group has claimed responsibility for the attack. (The Irrawaddy)
PresidentDonald Trump signs a US$484billion interim coronavirus relief bill that will add another $310 billion to the small-business Paycheck Protection Program, as well as provide billions in aid to hospitals and for testing. (Axios)
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Oppose blurb as the target article is not present in either. Additionally, I don't think a "total deaths" blurb will be necessary unless we are looking at worldwide numbers, as Wikipedia is not US-centered. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good faith nom. This is an arbitrary milestone and people are dying all over the world. These developments are adequately covered in the various links within our COVID-19 template. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ad Orientem: worth noting this is front page news around the world currently, because the death toll is so much greater than every other country (maybe this should be included in the blurb in fairness) - I'm a Brit and saw it initially on the BBC, but it's being covered as well on the front page of RTVE's website as well as El País etc. It's not just a US news story by any means, otherwise I wouldn't have seen it at all - though I appreciate your point. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 21:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Yes, it's a worldwide phenomenon, but the U.S. is also the first country to hit this number of deaths, and accounts for a quarter of deaths worldwide. BD2412T21:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've added altblurb2 here with a worldwide contextualisation of just how significant this figure is in international terms. As mentioned above, the figure is being reported on the front pages internationally - I wouldn't have heard about it at all otherwise. Here in Europe, we're used to hearing about how bad the situation is in Italy and Spain, so these figures are really quite shocking. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 21:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Country with bigger population has more deaths. You could equally make a case for blurbing Belgium, with the highest death toll per capita of any heavily populated country (four times higher than the USA). Black Kite (talk)21:58, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Kite: The US population makes up under 5% of the global population, yet accounts for more than 25% of all COVID-19 deaths worldwide now. I don't think this argument really fits. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 22:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the reason for that particular statistic is not really because the US figures are ridiculously high per capita, but because there are many heavily populated countries (i.e. most of South America, India) with very small death tolls, plus dubious (at best) data from China. Black Kite (talk)22:09, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but you could equally say that the UK has 1% of the world's population, but 10% of the deaths - a far higher death rate. Is one statistic more notable than the other? Plus we're here for the long run - do we post to ITN every time a country gets to an artibrary figure? - the UK will probably get to 20K tomorrow, and that will be covered in plenty of reliable sources too. Black Kite (talk)23:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the highest death toll of any country brings notability, but it's an arbitrary threshold and we have the huge infobox already. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is a worldwide event, focusing on any single country for ITN is completely inappropriate. I would be willing to support - if it got there - a worldwide death toll hitting 1M (based on WHO numbers). --Masem (t) 23:41, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is like posting the half time score in a football match as it happens. Sure, the US is doing tremendously, but it's just the overtaking of an arbitrary number. HiLo48 (talk) 05:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Support- marked as ready. I added a reference for the last citation needed tag. Would be great to expand the lead and early life section. TJMSmith (talk) 19:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Over the last week, 4.4 million Americans filed for unemployment benefits. Since mid-March, 26.4 million have filed, which is more than 15 percent of the workforce. (BBC News)
Results show that four women win seats in the parliament and that most ministers of the current government keep their seats, including PresidentTaneti Mamau. However, it is too early to say whether he would be his party's nomination for President again. (RNZ)
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Nominator's comments: Japanese actress, voice actress and television presenter. Article is on short side, but just past stub. COVID-19 related. TJMSmith (talk) 04:39, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sad that there is more about the death and her whole career. Hopefully people will expand it now. Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The Indian Council of Medical Research advises all states to suspend using COVID-19 rapid test kits for two days, after some kits were found to be faulty. (CNN)
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Russia reports 5,642 new confirmed cases and 51 more deaths from COVID-19, the highest daily death toll in the country to date, bringing Russia's death toll to 456 and 52,763 total cases. (TASS)
Missouri becomes the first U.S. state to file a lawsuit against the Chinese government over the coronavirus pandemic, claiming the government is responsible for the virus's negative impact on the state's economy and that the nation is "hoarding" masks. A Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman says his country is "not under the jurisdiction of U.S. courts"; that "abuse of litigation" does not help the "epidemic response at home in the United States and also runs counter to international cooperation". (Reuters)
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Note Stale, older (April 15) than the oldest RD we currently have posted (April 16), no extenuating circumstances (death was reported immediately). --Jayron3214:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as stale. Death was 15 April, and was reported on that day too. RD uses the date death was reported, and it in older than 16 April 16, so unfortunately this is a stale request. Joseph2302 (talk)15:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Swedish auto manufacturer Volvo Cars resumes full production at its plant in Torslanda, Sweden, which had been shut down due to the COVID-19 pandemic since March 26, 2020. (Just Auto)
United Airlines reports a $2.1 billion loss in the first quarter of this year, blaming restrictions on the aviation industry due to the coronavirus pandemic. (CNBC)
In a 6–3 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court rules that convictions for serious crimes requires a unanimous decision by the jury, overturning the conviction of the plaintiff, a Louisiana man, and the 1972 case Apodaca v. Oregon. The ruling paves the way for hundreds of defendants to receive new trials. (Reuters)
In a deal brokered by South African mediators, Lesotho's government says that Prime MinisterTom Thabane "will immediately resign", in a "dignified and secure" exit from power. Thabane is accused of murdering his ex-wife Lipolelo Thabane in 2017. (BBC News)
Seoul-based Daily NK reports North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is recuperating from a heart procedure done earlier this month, after his disappearance from various events led to speculation about his health. (Reuters)
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Oppose It doesn’t seem earth-shattering to me; it just requires two states to follow what the other 48 are already doing. P-K3 (talk) 23:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, I think the effects on criminal law are significant as it's enshrining a fundamental principle as opposed to merely "yeah, it's the law of the land in almost all of America, except when it isn't." However, given the messy verdict the article needs to be expanded to explain why the justices !voted the way they did. -- King of♥♦♣ ♠ 23:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Having expanded the article, the decision affects all of 2 states (Oregon and Louisiana), and even then, only will cause review of OR's and a portion of Louisiana before 2019 (LA had amended its constitution for unanimous jury convictions now). All other states had cases of unanimous convictions on the books long before this. It is a landmark case in US law, as it is another incorporated Bill of Rights against the states, but its impact is minor relative to the big picture that it is not ITN appropriate as it mostly affirms the status quo. --Masem (t) 00:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's definitely in the news, its not hard to find coverage, just that its net effect has little change on most of the US , much less the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 01:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose as someone who's personally interested in this, this is nominally a big deal that overturns a precedent from the 1970s, the "two states" thing notwithstanding. Having said that, I'm not sure if this reaches the level for a blurb that is expected of court cases that aren't directly notable due to the persons involved. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've given some more thought about this, and I've decided that posting this without the context that only two states still allowed non-unanimous convictions might give people a POV view of the United States. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support This case is a rare one, because it makes formal changes to criminal cases; but I take the point most states had already moved in this direction. Nonetheless, it prevents states from exercising their own discretion as to proceedings in their own territory, and it prevents a (granted small) amount of venue shopping. Added LA Times source to the nomination.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support A key decision in the question of states' rights vs federal rights, which strikes at the heart of constitutional law as it applies to the criminal law system. (It might be difficult to appreciate its scope from within countries which have a stronger federal system of government -- which the U.S. emphatically does not. The best way currently to appreciate the differences is to look at the vast differences in COVID-19 governmental response between states -- inconceivable in most European and N/S American countries -- and to look at how reviled Obama was for centralizing response to swine flu and Ebola a few years earlier. The battle cry of "states' rights" has not tempered much since the U.S. Civil War.) Essentially, this decision tackles the question of the extent to which states have the ability to interpret the U.S. constitution (see Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution). It is in that sense specifically that the wider ramifications make this decision notable, by changing common practice to federal dictum. Although this does fall within the wider spectrum of Supreme Court cases (after the state courts were given the right to hold jury trials) which have generally determined that Bill of Rights amendments (ie. federal constitutional rights) apply to state trials, very few decisions in this millennium have had comparable weight. (Most of this was ironed out in the 1970s civil rights trials or earlier). Certainly none have had equivalent weight in both the legal sphere and public perception. The right to trial by jury is dear to American hearts. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Some non-US interest I think. Where I'm from (England) 10-2 is sufficient and I wasn't aware of the US situation. Nigej (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - A handful of judges make a decision that affects a subsection of a subsection of one nation's population. Definitively parochial.--WaltCip (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as this changes an obscure legal point in only state-level courts in Oregon, and historical cases in Louisiana. Whilst some convictions will now be overturned or require a re-trial, that does not seem significant enough to merit an ITN blurb. The article has nothing on implications. I agree it would make a good DYK entry and is new enough. Modest Geniustalk15:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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As with the previous stories on the market turndown, we should wait for a trend. If this lasts for a few days, that might be an issue to post, but a daily blip in a financial market should not be an ITN as proven out from before. --Masem (t) 22:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
But NEGATIVE prices is an extreme aberration. It's like having news of a large asteroid with uncertain orbit being predicted to hit Earth, even though later orbit measurements proves "just miss" status. Difference is that this has not happened on the NY Mercantile Exchange since its inception in 1983. 2601:602:9200:1310:31C4:B759:FF29:594C (talk) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We tend to judge blurbs here, which means you have to have one first. Most of the ideas I have would be greeted with either "trivial!" or "Coronovirus 'impacts' cover this." GreatCaesarsGhost22:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again, there's blips in markets. The media jumps at those, we are looking at the larger picutre. A sustained negative price would be something. But even with that, I would expect a more narrow focus article on why it got to negative like this (is this an extension of the russia-opec price war earlier? is this COVID related? etc.) --Masem (t) 00:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*Oppose this is one specific type of oil (West Texas Intermediate) for a specific futures contract (May delivery in Oklahoma, and today was the last day trading was allowed for this contract). All the other major oil indices are still positive. Juxlos (talk) 00:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support big deal in business news today, article is decent. Weak because of the one sentence update and because the target it "proseline-y" --LaserLegs (talk) 00:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, this is far crazier than a big one-day drop in stock indices which we routinely post. Needs expansion though. -- King of♥♦♣ ♠ 02:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support A huge deal and a milestone on the way towards severe economic downturn. It's not just the government anymore; private companies are willing to pay their customers to stay in business. Contra Juxlos above, this did not just impact WTI; the majority of US-domestic crude went negative. WTI is just the "benchmark" which is reported in the popular press; TX sour was even more negative at ca. -50USD/bbl.130.233.3.157 (talk) 06:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Arguably, a negative price on a core commodity rather undermines the entire concept of industry development, challenging a few other dearly held economic beliefs in the process. (And the prize for the best-timed single commodity trade war ever goes to ... Russia and Saudi Arabia!) No question that the issue has been exacerbated by a sudden sharp drop both in discretionary spending and in demand due to COVID-19 (both possibly ongoing: no job or perma-home job leads to a sharp reduction in travel and industry electricity use, and there are already fewer heating days each year) , but that should not make a difference to its ITN notability. As one political cartoonist put it: such cheap gas prices ... and nowhere to drive. That kind of death spiral can be hard to escape, to the point that the phrase "economic black hole" comes to mind. Time to review some of the patterns of the Great Depression; it took a rather large war to fully lift us out of that one, and the emergence of the military industrial complex to maintain a new western pattern of war = prosperity. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 09:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not the price of oil per se that's gone negative, but the price of contracts for delivery in the near future. Basically, traders are saying "I'll pay you to figure out where the heck to store this stuff". What you're describing would be the spot price, not the futures price going negative. --Carnildo (talk) 04:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wait – Sensational spot coverage internationally April 20, but suggest waiting a few days to ascertain extent, longevity of this possible watershed development. – Sca (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The price is positive again now. "Yesterday's price action is best understood as a quirk or peculiarity of futures trading," said analyst James Trafford of Fidelity International." (BBC). Also, just one line mentioning it in the target article. Black Kite (talk)13:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The newsworthiness is not diminished simply because oil futures are currently back in positive territory (after OPEC rapidly cut yields). It is not even in the aberration that, at the end of one market day as May futures were expiring, some oil prices dipped below zero. It is simply in the fact that, for the first time ever since oil became something useful, no one wanted oil. Did you ever think anyone would ever say that as fact? At this point, there is so much oil in storage that there is literally no place left to store it! (Some countries have been using the tankers themselves as extra storage.) - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 15:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's many many footnotes to explain why oil was negative, that it is too simply to say "because no one wanted it". The cost of oil accounts for what people will pay (revenue) against the costs of production, processing, transportation, and storage (costs). There are so many levers on this calculation that a temporary drop into the negatives in one area is just a blip, and any statistician will tell you is something you routinely would ignore if it doesn't sustain a negative value. --Masem (t) 15:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose based on this Guardian article, which makes it clear this applies only to one oil market and is expected to rebound quickly. That makes our blurb misleading, and the article has only a single sentence on this topic, providing no more information. Modest Geniustalk15:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This kind of blip is fairly routine in commodities markets. The only reason the price briefly showed as negative, rather than zero, is that environmental legislation mean oil can't be dumped or stockpiled in the same way one can dump unwanted grain or leave coal piled at the minehead until the price goes up, and consequently when the May options expired the traders who'd overpurchased had to pay facilities to store it. ‑ Iridescent18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Modest Genius. And too many media outlets proceeding with the clickbait simplification when the single futures market was the one that turned negative. ITN should not sink to their level with atrocious blurbs like that. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 03:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment So, I woke up today to find that oil is Asia is fast approaching 0, the June futures contract is dumping, and oil derivatives are closing. The notion that such is "fairly routine in commodity markets" is very false; what commodity has ever gone negative, let alone "routinely"? The notion that environmental regulations lead to this is also false; uranium is traded on the open market, has suffered a terrible bear market for years, and it also cannot be "dumped" - it never touched zero or below.130.233.3.91 (talk) 06:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose current blurb. If it becomes a worldwide phenomenon, then change the blurb to reflect this. Otherwise, not important enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk)10:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Iri, Black Kite and Modest Genius. An interesting little quirk, but not right for ITN at present. Should this be the start of something larger (i.e. it spreads to most markets and shows longevity, then the question could be reappraised, but not yet. - SchroCat (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I nominated this and pointed to PM, but it could also go to Netanyahu or Gants. I do think this is notable because Israel had three elections in one year and had a caretaker government for 17 months and almost had 4 elections in one year until they finally got a coalition agreement signed. That seems notable in itself. Sir Joseph(talk)18:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would think there should be a separate article to cover what's been 17 months of stalemate. It might require more digging into regional sources for development. --Masem (t) 18:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly some summary-level article, maybe looking at it from a timeline POV, could be made. At that level, you don't need the details of the elections, just net result and how one election came out from the previous, etc. Just something to give a better history as a summary style article. --Masem (t) 19:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Note: The story is certainly covered by major news outlets to sufficient depth, but that's only half the necessary bits. We also need a quality article with a sufficient update so readers can get a full story from it. It doesn't have to be specifically about this event, but it does have to have enough information to place the event in historical context and provide enough information to give readers a good understanding. What article are we assessing? The Prime Minister of Israel article does not have a sufficient amount of updated material yet. --Jayron32 19:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC) (post ec note): The altblurb bolded article is also not updated. It states the crisis ended on March 26, and contains no information about the current news. --Jayron3219:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Three elections in one year with a caretaker prime minister, and heading to a fourth election, now the country will have a unity government with a PM and a vice PM and an agreement to split up and then have the PM's swap position. That sounds like news to me and certainly interesting. I don't know of other stable democracies that have had three elections in one year, so that in itself is interesting. Sir Joseph(talk)20:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Everything you say may be true; but there is no properly written and sourced text in any target article, so what exactly are we supposed to assess for quality? Instead of spending all of your time arguing with people here, you could be off expanding and referencing an article we could post to the main page. --Jayron3220:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Stale? The article on the crisis says that Gantz was chosen as speaker of the Knesset almost a month ago. What about this agreement is new? The article is not particularly clear. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sir Joseph, okay, but I still don't understand the timeline here, and the JPost article didn't help me. I want to support this, but I'm not clear on what happened in this agreement that didn't happen last month. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's definitely events today that establish a deal (see NYtimes + Guardian), which appears to be giving Netanyahu 18 add'l months as PM, after which he is to turn it over to Gantz for the rest of the term. --Masem (t) 20:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Expand details on today's (20 April) agreement and I'd support this. This is the type of timeline/summary article I spoke to earlier. --Masem (t) 20:57, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Masem, done, I am working on more, but I started it.
Support As was noted earlier, ITN habitually posts election results, and this is of at least comparable notability. Israeli politics have been a mess of late, in part because of changing demographics. The only western country with comparable instability is Italy; but for Italy this is a "normal" state of affairs. For Israel, it emphatically is not. Consider that if Netanyahu had been re-elected or become PM as a result of replacing a previous party leader, ITN would automatically have posted that (given adequate article quality). Sometimes such postings include the party details, but more often they do not. ITN also does not normally include the details of power-sharing in minority results. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: For whatever it is worth, I did add a fourth blurb, emphasising the amount of time involved and Netanyahu's continuance in the post. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 10:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support – but only for a blurb containing the names of both men, preferably with some minimal indication of their political orientation. (How long it's taken is a side issue.) – Sca (talk) 13:04, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sca, I think alt-III is fine, it has the details without getting too detaily for the blurb, it does mention names, and then the government, which is linked. I think that reads better than alt-IV. Sir Joseph(talk)13:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - while the formation of a new government after 3 deadlocked elections is significant enough to warrant posting (I dare even say it's ITNR-level, if not in letter then in spirit), this hasn't happened yet. The coalition agreement between Blue&White and Likud does not automatically mean a new government - the government still needs to win a vote of confidence from the Knesset. While this is a likely outcome with the coalition parties seemingly controlling a majority, a lot can happen between now and the vote. I'd support posting a blurb only after the government is sworn in. RamiR13:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt-3 is my first preference, with Alt-2 as my second preference. The key element of the story is the power-sharing agreement between the two men. That needs to be mentioned in the blurb. The story is in the news prominently, AND the article that is now highlighted in those blurbs is in a good state. --Jayron3214:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: in principle, I think a new government after three elections is important enough to post. However, the nomination is a mess, all five(!) of the proposed blurbs are poor, and it's very difficult to work out what is going on from the numerous partially-overlapping articles. There needs to be an accessible top-level summary somewhere, and the blurb should keep things simple without casting judgement on either the participants or the time taken. Modest Geniustalk
Oppose per Rami R. Once the Knesset votes to confirm the unity government (a mere formality, which I assume will be in the next couple days?) then this is ITN/R, since it establishes the final results of a general election. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 19:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would think that formation of a government is more notable than the election since that is when the prime minister is chosen. I don't know what ITN conventions have been lately, but it makes more sense to me to post government formation rather than election results when there is no majority in a parliamentary system, if I had to choose one. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that a ("unity"-?) coalition govt. was finally formed by by avowed adversaries certainly is ITN-level news, and should be posted now or it'll seem stale. – Sca (talk) 13:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Iranian Revolutionary Guards announces it has increased patrols of the Persian Gulf following a confrontation between its Navy and the U.S.'s on Wednesday, and warns that "any error in calculation on [a foreign vessel's] part will receive a decisive response". (Reuters)
Over 2,000 Israelis protest Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, accusing him of endangering democracy in the country and using the coronavirus crisis to escape prosecution on corruption charges. (ABC News)
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Support Article covers the basics, and with the perp killed, its determining the why which will take take. I offer Alt2 as to note it was in rural NS as Portapique is a bit tooo obscure (but identified in the article now). --Masem (t) 00:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And to note for others, it was a combination for shootings and arson, to the "13 people die" is the right wording here. --Masem (t) 00:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose / Wait the article is still lean on details, and while tragic this isn't important enough to rush to the main page. I'd like to see a full paragraph on the perpetrator and given the nature of the spree a timeline and some details about the victims. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Proving to be one of the deadliest shootings in Canadian history, and has made international headlines. Article has enough information to inform, and is being updated as details are released. Sportyguy03 (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Agree with previous re "mass shooting," which is the usual term. "Spree" connotes an element of enjoyment or fun – highly inappropriate for such events. – Sca (talk) 12:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Check. Well, that's certainly an argument for keeping them apart, but I don't see how calling this a mass shooting or a spree killing makes a difference; the tornado blurb uses neither. Still, I'm more interested in Stephen's supervote than anything else. ——SN5412914:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I meant avoiding the clash of the portion of the blurb I mentioned, not that the tornado blurb mentions spree killings. And it doesn't take a genius to see that "mass shooting" is about 20 times more common than "spree killing" for this specific news item. We all already know that admins are able to make changes to blurbs to better suit the main page and our readers. This is no different. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 15:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Spree: "A merry frolic; especially, a drinking frolic." – Sca (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2020 (UTC
Per MW "an unrestrained indulgence in or outburst of an activity" [5] which is probably more the origin where "spree killing" comes from. --Masem (t) 15:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Taiwan quarantines 700 Navy sailors after three cases of COVID-19 were confirmed on board a vessel that recently returned from the island nation of Palau. (Reuters)
Pakistan begins repatriating some of its citizens from the United Arab Emirates, after the UAE threatened to review its labor ties with countries that refuse to take their nationals back during the pandemic. (Reuters)
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Nominator's comments: 7-times Olympian, one of two people to share the Belgian record of most appearances. Article is short but everything is sourced I think. Fram (talk) 12:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The United Nations human rights office says that Myanmar has been carrying out daily airstrikes in Rakhine and Chin states and that at least 32 civilians (mostly women and children) have been killed since March 23. The Arakan Army unilaterally declared a month-long ceasefire to fight the COVID-19 pandemic, but the military rejected the ceasefire saying a previous ceasefire had not been respected by the insurgents. (Reuters)
The China Securities Regulatory Commission has approved a transaction in which Switzerland's Credit Suisse will take a majority interest in a China securities firm. Credit Suisse will thus be the first foreign bank to own a majority of such a company since the easing of rules about foreign ownership in 2018. (Reuters)
The Department of Health and Social Care reports 5,599 new confirmed cases and 847 more deaths from COVID-19, bringing the UK's death toll to 14,576 and 108,692 total cases. (RTÉ)
The Kurdish-controlled area of Syria confirms the first death from COVID-19 in Qamishli; that of a 53-year-old man who tested positive postmortem. (Reuters)
China revises the coronavirus death toll upward in Wuhan, where the virus originated, adding 1,290 more fatalities to bring the country's reported deaths from COVID-19 to 4,632. (BBC News)(CNBC)
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The Robert Koch Institute reports 2,866 new confirmed cases and 315 more deaths from COVID-19, the highest daily death toll in the country to date, bringing Germany's death toll to 3,569 and 130,450 total cases. (Reuters)
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Police discover the bodies of 17 people inside a morgue built for four at a nursing home in New Jersey, United States, following an anonymous tip-off. (BBC News)
Tablighi Jamaat leader Muhammad Saad Kandhlawi is charged with manslaughter after a gathering the organization held in Delhi on March 3 was linked to 1,023 coronavirus cases across 17 Indian states. Police say he ignored two notices to end the religious event at a mosque in Delhi, though he denies any wrongdoing. (BBC News)
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Nominator's comments: German TV personality, Near East and Middle East (interviews with Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein), political debates Frontal, analyzed in at least one book. - The article was basically there, only with zero references which I changed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Notable animator and comics artist, death noted across multiple countries and languages. Not a Covid19 death. Article seems fully sourced already. Fram (talk) 10:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Even without being in RD, this got more than 20,000 page views yesterday (more than what many articles get when listed at RD). Notable subject, good enough article, would be a pity to let it become "stale" for no good reason. Fram (talk) 11:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Some actual news that isn't coronavirus-related. The results table has been updated but there's no prose reaction yet, or description of the extra steps taken to run the election during a pandemic. Modest Geniustalk13:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Decent article. The table in the section on political parties needs to clarify its source. I think it is cited in the text above but it's not completely clear. Otherwise looks good. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment though I question our obsession with a prose update for election results, we do tend to require one and this article seems to be lacking it --LaserLegs (talk) 20:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the still-present shortcomings noted by the nominator. Also, the Opinion polls section contains only a link, which I consider to be an empty section.130.233.3.31 (talk) 06:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per ITN/R, though a lot of commentators on media noted that the party's popularity soared due to COVID so this is somewhat related, but alas. Juxlos (talk) 06:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Juxlos It's unnecessary to say "support per ITNR" as being ITNR means that the merits are not in dispute; only article quality is at issue(and the blurb). 331dot (talk) 17:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Articles, whether about elections, tornadoes or sports events, that rely too heavily on tables, charts, etc., don't serve readers very well. If we're an encyclopedia we should be presenting mainly prose. Undecided about this one, mainly 'cause it's ITN/R. – Sca (talk) 14:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Japanese voice actor, most famous for dubbing Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, as well as other Japanese shows including Crayon Shin-chan and Fullmetal Alchemist. Nahnah4 (talk
Weak Oppose The article is (gasp!) reasonably well sourced. But it consists mostly of tables. Once you take them out you have very little left. Needs some text. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This is very close (surprising given the enormous amount of 'ography), and at 1.5 kB of prose, it's just there. If a Japanese-capable reader could fill in the current disjointed prose with a few more sentences it would pass.130.233.3.31 (talk) 07:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Per previous three. As noted above, articles that rely too heavily on tables, charts, etc., don't serve readers very well. If we're an encyclopedia, we should be presenting mainly prose. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: World Wrestling Entertainment Hall of Famer, employed by the company for 45ish years and best known as ring announcer. Obviously needs substantial work, but hopefully can get in good shape in the next few days. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Currently in the ring, weighing in at "immovable object", from Shark Lick, Wyoming...Lethal Lockdown! Seriously though, nothing's getting out or in. For a while, apparently. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:52, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comment - This article is fully protected, and the content dispute may well carry on in two days when it's unprotected. This has prevented the sourcing from being anywhere close to ready, and I understand that this nomination will go stale. So it goes. Can't blame a guy for hoping. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A 36-year-old man is arrested for attempting to firebomb a Jewish assisted living facility in Longmeadow, Massachusetts on April 3. His arrest is part of a larger investigation into a white supremacist group suspected of plotting mass killings online. He is charged with two counts of attempted arson, but is released the next day. (HuffPost)(WWLP)
Fourteen people are injured in a chain-reaction accident involving up to 60 vehicles, during the morning rush hour on Chicago's Kennedy Expressway, as unseasonable, wintry weather strikes the city. None of the injuries is considered life-threatening. At least 32 others are treated at the scene. (NBC News)(Accuweather)
The death toll from COVID-19 in the United States rises by 2,371 in a single day to 30,800, the highest number of COVID-19 linked deaths reported in any country in a single day, as total cases rise to 635,000. (Reuters)
France reports 1,438 more deaths from COVID-19, the highest daily death toll in the country to date, bringing the country's death toll to 17,167 with 133,470 total cases. The latest figures include deaths from COVID-19 in care homes over the three-day Easter weekend. (Reuters)
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Nominator's comments: A couple of minor points unreferenced, but will sort these shortly. Now sorted. Brown was one of the greats of mountain climbing and transformed the sport in the 1950s and early 1960s. Numerous 'firsts' in climbing, and pioneered several pieces of safety equipment. SchroCat (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: American actor. Usual lack of sourcing throughout, needs a lot of work to get there. Not COVID related. Masem (t) 17:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Article:Tom Moore (soldier) (talk·history·tag) Blurb: ...Tom's 100th Birthday Walk For The NHS has raised millions of pounds to support patients and carers in the COVID-19 pandemic (Post) News source(s):[10] Credits:
Oppose good faith nom with regret. It's a great human interest story but there have been a lot of people stepping up during the not so great pestilence. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, better for DYK I know "better for DYK" is often seen (rightly) as a sarcastic put-down, but this is genuinely better for DYK and does meet the eligibility requirements AFAICT, so I encourage the nominator to take it there. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While some major news outlets are carrying the story, I'm not seeing its appearance in the context of those outlets (i.e. the section they put it in, the depth and breadth of coverage, etc.) which indicates to me that the story has the level of significance necessary for an ITN post. --Jayron3218:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Airbnb secures a US$1billion loan to stay afloat as the pandemic causes worldwide demand for its services to drop. This follows a separate bond deal, also worth US$1 billion, it negotiated last week for similar reasons. (Reuters)
The death toll from COVID-19 in the United States rises by 2,228 in a single day, the highest number of COVID-19 linked deaths reported in any country in a single day, as total cases rise to over 600,000. (Reuters)
Turkey will free one-third of its prisoners to curb the spread of COVID-19. At least 45,000 prisoners will be freed until the end of May, with the exception of those accused of terrorist offenses, as well as journalists and politicians accused of plotting the 2016 coup attempt. (Al Jazeera)
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Nominator's comments: Internationally known Swedish mezzo who sang many world premieres. - Referencing was poor ... - more detail in the sources, but I need a break. I referenced the composer below, - very impressed. Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Support, per nom. Sad. As he died 9 April, I am afraid this should be moved to the date, and is probably too late. Can we make an exception for one of us?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, his death was in the news on 9 April, this is not the case of a death notice postponed by family/etc. It can be posted if it can be brought to quality but we're not about to make exceptions because someone was a Wikipedian (that's terribly nepotism, the last thing ITN should engage in. Signpost or other WMF venues, sure). --Masem (t) 23:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Eh. "I'm not absolutely opposed to a little nepotism, as long as you keep it in the family." -John F. Kennedy
Oppose Referencing is dreadful. Willing to consider an IAR RD exception per Gerda if the article can be brought up to speed in a timely manner. But it's going to need some work. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral for IAR, but oppose for the reason that he was a Wikipedian per Masem. It's navel-gazey to do so; if there's another reason for IAR I'd be open to it (pending quality, of course) but we shouldn't be giving ourselves preferential treatment. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 02:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Life is a never ceasing string of nonstop disappointment until you die. You should probably learn to expect nothing except such disappointment for every second of existence, or you're in for a long ride. --Jayron3218:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose for now. Article quality is not great; while referenced, it basically consists of a series of random and contextless quotes by the subject without much narrative flow and leaving huge gaps in his biography. Not really a high-enough quality article for the main page. If the article was expanded and given more narrative structure, I could support this. --Jayron3216:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Jayron32, I cut some of it, but the thing is... his time as managing partner of the Yankees was spent, publicly at least, being a big mouth. Then he stepped aside and let his quieter brother run the show. I can add more about his business interests in Florida to balance it out, but lots of the stuff about Red Sox Nation is key to his biography. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cutting wasn't the issue. You don't make this any better by removing anything. I don't mind periodic quotes and paraphrases and the like. The issue wasn't removing those, it was adding more text around them to build up a narrative. --Jayron3218:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The trouble is, there isn't much text to add around it. His big time in the public eye was 2007-08. Per ESPN today: "While Hank was in his 13th season as a general partner and 11th as co-chair, he did not appear to have much involvement in the team's operations in recent years. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support While I agree that the composition of the article is not optimal, it contains that essentials of the subject's life, establishes the basis of notability, links out to other articles sufficiently and suitably, and everything is referenced. The Controversial statements section I take in the same manner as the ubiquitous Philanthropy & charity sections in articles about living royals; it just comes with the territory.130.233.2.77 (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Important astrophysicist and rocket scientist. Well-sourced article already before his death. No indication of cause of death apparently. Fram (talk) 13:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Suppose, good to go, although I must say that it's so full of awards and honours that I was struggling to find out what he actually did. Nigej (talk) 13:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Little point in nominating an article in this state if you’re not going to expand it. P-K3 (talk) 12:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC) I should add, though a thanks to User:Headhitter for at least cleaning it up. P-K3 (talk) 12:09, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Brazilian musician. The article has an orange tag and severe refs issues, but I'll work on it ASAP. I think I fixed all refs issues --SirEdimon (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Multiple destructive and deadly tornadoes last night into this morning across Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and the Carolinas. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is of sufficient quality, and news sources are covering the event showing a sufficient level of significance. Checks all of the boxes. --Jayron3217:52, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Only as a comment though, is that the article could use a map that has a better visibility of the US under the cloud cover (maybe needs to be a more traditional meteorological map). A USian can see Florida and Texas to get a sense, but a non-USian might not. Alternatively, an overlay of this with a better map would work. -Masem (t) 22:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Spanish politician with an important role during Transition to democracy. Was president of the Congress of Deputies during the failed coup d'état in 1981. Good article, but can be improved. Working on it. Alsoriano97 (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A Taliban spokesman announces the release of 20 government prisoners in response to the latter's release of 300 Taliban prisoners since Wednesday. (Reuters)
Today Pope Francis livestreames the Urbi et Orbi blessing for the second time in just a month. Usually given on Christmas and Easter, this year the pope also gave the blessing on March 27, during a special prayer service for the end of the coronavirus. (CRUX)
The Philippines reports 220 new confirmed cases and 50 more deaths from COVID-19, the highest daily death toll in the country to date, bringing the country's death toll to 297 with 4,648 total cases. (Reuters)
The death toll from coronavirus in Italy has reached 19,889 people. Italy has the second highest number of deaths in the world, after the United States. (Corriere della Sera)
Justice Minister of Hirshabelle State, Khalif Mumin Tohow, becomes the second person to die from COVID-19 in Somalia. The state minister recently travelled back from the United Kingdom. (Middle East Monitor)
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Oppose The paragraph Throughout the 1970s and 1980s, Evans held various positions in the Australian Treasury in Canberra and in several overseas posts. Between 1976 and 1979 he was posted as a Treasury representative to the OECD in Paris. Upon return to Australia, he was promoted to the Senior Executive Service in Treasury becoming a branch head for Fiscal and Monetary Policy and then, in 1982, moving to become head of the General Financial and Economic Policy Divison. In 1984, he was promoted to one of the deputy secretary positions. Later, between 1989 and 1993, he was posted as an executive director to the IMF in Washington. is uncited. Consider this a support once that's fixed.Support fixed. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 06:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think "public servant" is more accurate since he never held elected office and the phrase is common and NPOV enough; "(civil servant)" might be better as he appeared to be in the civil service more. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Doing a bit of research, it looks like the position he held was a non-political one, as noted at Departmental secretary, and it also appears that the term "public service" and "public servant" is used in AusEng in the same way as "civil service" and "civil servant" is in other countries. I withdraw my original point. Carry on. (as an aside, elections do not a politician make, and appointed politicians are still politicians, political appointments are also a thing. But it is clear from the relevant articles that the office he held was expressly non-political, so that doesn't apply here.) --Jayron3221:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: COVID-19, former Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel. Perhaps worthy of a blurb. Israel has two Chief Rabbis at a time, one Ashkenaz, one Sephard. They have effective control of Israeli law on many significant issues, including marriage, divorce, immigration. 73.81.116.51 (talk) 22:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per CN tags, and Oppose blurb if those ever get resolved. There are clear criteria for RD blurbs, and I can't see this fulfilling any of them.130.233.2.114 (talk) 13:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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If notability or interest was the relevant criterion, most Anglo-Saxon people would not be cited in the RD. Here the important requirement is the quality of the article, which is indisputable in this case. Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:38, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose paragraph after paragraph of career with no source, many looking like commentary/anecdotes on his performances. Wallachia Wallonia (talk) 18:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose as it stands. Opposite problem this time - awards, results etc. are all sourced but the main text isn't. Some of the trivial intricate detail could be pared down. Black Kite (talk)10:31, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One wonders just how and why so many BLPs are so sub-standard in terms of referencing. It’s depressing to see just how many people are not posted at RD because the articles are so poor in this respect. - SchroCat (talk) 13:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Reference 62 (supporting the second sentence of the Post-racing career section) is marked as permanently dead, but that's not a particularly contentious thing so I'm happy to support this in its current state. Thryduulf (talk) 15:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Ditto – although the 60-year-old dangerous-driving incident in the "Personal life and death" section seems irrelevant at this point. Still think he's worth a blurb, and the stolen Van Gogh blurb in the box is quite stale. – Sca (talk) 15:32, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Although he was one of the greats of motorsport, I'm not sure he rises to the level of a blurb (that's just going on some of the other people I've seen turned down for blurbs). - SchroCat (talk) 18:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb per SchroCat – not anywhere near the level of a former POTUS/UKPM, or other similarly revolutionary figure. (As for motorsport, I might have voted for a Dale Earnhardt blurb back in 2001, but that would be due to his cause of death, which isn't anything out of the ordinary for Moss unfortunately.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is very true! :P I meant that Moss has no qualifications for blurb status, and that the misfortune was the blurb's rather than Moss's, as you said. Either way, RIP Moss. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No blurb he's a highly respected driver and probably one of the best in his time, but clearly not someone who's had a significant influence on the field (again, zero championships). "29th best Formula One driver of all time" is... not really that high, all things considered. Juxlos (talk) 05:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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The United Nations humanitarian coordinator for Libya condemns the cut-off of water supply to the capital Tripoli, after an armed group seized a Great Man-Made River control station. The armed group is reportedly using the water cut-off, affecting two million people, to secure the release of detained family members. (Al Jazeera)
The Department of Health and Social Care reports 917 more deaths from COVID-19, bringing the UK's death toll to 9,875. Victims in the latest figures were aged between 11 and 102, while 33 people had no known underlying health conditions. (Sky News)
With 20,071 deaths, the United States' death toll from COVID-19 passes that of Italy and becomes the country with the highest number of known COVID-19 deaths in the world. (CNBC)
Sudan's Health Minister Akram Ali Altom says that his country urgently needs US$120million to combat the COVID-19 pandemic. While the country has registered relatively few cases and two deaths, Altom says that if it spreads, the country is not prepared to face it. (Reuters)
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Oppose The original conviction was in 1998, and one could argue that this may have been reconfirmed in 2009 by the Bangladesh Supreme Court. This was just completing that sentence. Basically, something we typically do not post. Now, as a strict RD nomination, that would be possible but the article needs to be cleaned up to better explain the case around it. --Masem (t) 23:42, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Majed had already been convicted and sentenced, and as repeatedly established by precedent we don't post expected "routine" post-conviction trial matters. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: COVID-19, major NYC real estate developer, friend of Trump, his case influenced Trump to not ease restrictions 73.81.116.137 (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: One of the best-known mathematicians in recent memory. Only problem is that I wasn't able to find any great sources for his death, but I expect official confirmation will appear shortly. 70.172.136.61 (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He may be one of the most recognizable mathematicians in the field, but he doesn't met "top of the field" considering few awards and the like he had won. He does not compare, for example to Stephen Hawking, so this is not a real case for a blurb. --Masem (t) 15:00, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would definitely consider him to be "top of the field". Awards just aren't that big of a thing in mathematics (and no, Stephen Hawking's Awards section isn't that much longer). Note how many broad-scope articles link to his article - he basically invented at least one mathematical field (combinatorial game theory) along with a lot of other important concepts Pseudorandomnickname (talk) 02:15, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The fact no mainstream paper has picked up his death is a very strong indication that a blurb is not appropriate here. --Masem (t) 03:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support (wait for article cleanup): I couldn’t find an RS on the day of his death and I’m glad that someone found one now. — MarkH21talk20:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For those that are arguing for a blurb, there needs to be much much much more coverage about his importance from RSes in his article. You can't wave your hand and say he was important to justify a blurb. RD is assured after a few more references are fixed, but the article and current coverage of his death no way supports a blurb. I'll point the article on Sterling Moss above , which is much more fleshed out and demostrates a clear likeliness for a blurb, and even these, the importance is not as great as to need one. We need this to be a significant tragic loss to the math community, which is not demonstrated. --Masem (t) 03:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD Sources clear and reliable enough, article in good shape. Neutral on blurb leaning oppose - if he's super important in maths surely we would've seen more articles about his death. Juxlos (talk) 04:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb Not to get all OTHERSTUFF-y, but if Freeman Dyson doesn't warrant a blurb neither does this person. We ran a blurb on John Nash in 2015 and might run one on Terence Tao when the time comes decades from now, but Conway is nowhere near as famous or otherwise noteworthy outside of mathematics. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Iran's Ministry of Health and Medical Education reports 1,972 new confirmed cases and 122 more deaths from COVID-19, bringing the country's death toll to 4,232 and 68,192 total cases, while 3,969 people remain in critical condition with the virus. (Reuters)
The Robert Koch Institute reports 5,323 new confirmed cases and 266 more deaths from COVID-19, bringing Germany's death toll to 2,373 with 113,525 total cases. (Reuters)
Belgium reports 1,684 new confirmed cases and 494 more deaths from COVID-19, its highest daily death toll to date, bringing the country's death toll to 3,019 and 26,667 total cases. (Anadolu Agency)
Johns Hopkins University records 2,108 more deaths from COVID-19 in the United States, the highest daily death toll in the country to date, bringing the U.S. death toll to 18,693 and 500,399 confirmed cases. The U.S. becomes the first country to report over 2,000 COVID-19 deaths in a single day. (BBC News)
Students of Outside Creek Elementary School in California attend classes despite Governor Gavin Newsom's order to close all schools in the state. (Boston)
In a major setback for efforts to declare the end of the outbreak on Sunday, the Democratic Republic of the Congo reports the first case of Ebola since February. The outbreak has killed more than 2,200 people since August 2018. (Reuters)
Law and crime
A prison riot breaks out at a high-security prison in Angarsk, Irkutsk Oblast, Russia, allegedly in response to an officer beating an inmate. Large sections of the prison are set on fire, and casualties are reported. (BBC News)
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Nominator's comments: Notable Iraqi architect, called the father of Iraqi modern architecture, and well-known in the field of architecture. Droodkin (talk) 09:34, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Actress and producer. Death was sometime last week, only accounced by family now. COVID related. Typical sourcing issues for actors. --Masem (t) 04:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC) Masem (t) 04:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Japanese film and television director. Non-COVID death. Currently working on adding more citations to his article. —Matthew - (talk)23:18, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OPEC+ holds an emergency meeting to try to agree on output cuts due to decreased demand for oil due to the coronavirus pandemic. Russia says it has "no plans to discuss oil markets with the leadership of Saudi Arabia or the U.S. on Thursday". (CNBC)
The Robert Koch Institute reports 4,974 new confirmed cases and 246 more deaths from COVID-19, bringing Germany's death toll to 2,107 and 108,202 cases. This marks the largest daily increase of deaths for Germany. (Reuters)
Spanish Congress of Deputies approves an extension of the State of Alarm to 26 April. With more than 140.000 reported cases, the country becomes the second in the world with number of cases, overtaking Italy. (EFE)
Prisoners riot in Russia's high-security Penal Colony No 15 in the Siberian city of Angarsk over complaints of mistreatment by the guards. Fire on the grounds spread to three buildings including a woodwork factory. (Reuters)(BBC News)
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Commenting as I see no issue to be using the couple's page for the RD, both are discussed briefly as individuals and then their relative importance as a couple. I do Oppose only on some weak sourcing issues. --Masem (t) 00:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Saudi Arabian-led coalition declares a unilateral ceasefire in its military action against Houthi forces in Yemen. The ceasefire, which supports UN efforts to end the five-year-old war, will be effective Thursday. (BBC News)
Michigan becomes the third state to surpass 20,000 cases of COVID-19, after New York and New Jersey. As of this date, Michigan has 20,346 confirmed cases with 959 deaths. (MLive.com)
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo reports 779 more deaths from COVID-19 in the state, the highest daily death toll in the state to date, bringing its death toll to 6,268, with 149,316 total cases. (NHK)
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This is only presently for tracking purposes. There is currently nothing for/against COVID related deaths, only that per discussions on WT:ITN if there may need to be methods in the future to manage RD postings during this period during COVID, and hence I'm adding whether deaths were COVID related or not simply for ease of tracking for this. --Masem (t) 14:11, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on sourcing - a few para needs closing CNs, and the bibilography should include ISBNs. But otherwise its close. (Notably, he worked for MAD Magazine.) --Masem (t) 05:40, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Minor understatement. He was the "MAD caricaturist" for decades. In a 1985 Tonight Show appearance, when Johnny Carson asked Michael J. Fox, "When did you really know you'd made it in show business?" Fox replied, "When Mort Drucker drew my head." --47.146.63.87 (talk) 16:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment decently referenced but very short article - I will add support if the article were to be expanded a bit by someone who knew more about him Joseywales1961 (talk) 09:12, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: The whistleblower in Monica Lewinsky scandal. Non-COVID death. Sourcing issues. Masem (t) 21:23, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This goes beyond the usual poor referencing. This is a controversial person and there are multiple unsourced controversial claims of fact in here. Potentially significant BLP issues need to fixed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Every country or locales of countries are dealing with overflowing morgues. Some are able to handle it more humanely, some not. This is all covered under the COVID header banner. --Masem (t) 04:27, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - This is not a major thing in any way. Many countries are doing unique things regarding handling the COVID-19 pandemic and its consequences, like Indian railway coaches and British exhibition centres being converted into quarantine sites and so on. The only good reason I can think of for posting this would be that no other country has a coffin shortage (but I don’t know if coffin shortages are notable enough) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 04:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Those are ordinary coffins. You're probably thinking of the $5,000+ fancy caskets. You don't expect luxury from the Ecuadorian government (if you're poor, I mean). InedibleHulk (talk) 05:10, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose good faith nomination. This is truly appalling. But it's a sign of the times. In New York City they are talking about turning one or more municipal parks into mass graves as a temporary measure because the mortuary people are so swamped. Kyrie eleison. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:34, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Article:Rafael Correa (talk·history·tag) Blurb: Former Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa is convicted on corruption charges and sentenced to eight years in prison (Post) Alternative blurb: Former Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa is sentenced in absentia for corruption charges Alternative blurb II: The National Court of Ecuador sentences former president Rafael Correa and 19 others in absentia on bribery and corruption charges. News source(s):The New York Times, BBC, France 24 Credits:
Nominator's comments: Quite important as the decision was made by the top court of Ecuador amid the coronavirus struggle in the country. Abishe (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle, this is the point of conviction, though apparently Correa will be able to appeal. I added altblurb2 as there were 19 others also charged (appearing to be part of his administration). There are some CN and similar tags scattered in his article so its not quite ready. --Masem (t) 04:36, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeIn absentia, yes, but more importantly his article has two sentences about the issue (in the lead) which doesn't really explain it at all. Black Kite (talk)12:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ignoring the quality/update issues (valid points), the in absentia I don't get. He had his lawyers in court (see NYTimes article) it wasn't like a mock trial, and he has the right to appeal. If he steps foot into the country, he'll be immediately arrested. It seems a fully valid trial result. Compare this to, say, the US trying to put a foreign president on trial without being able to extradite him to the US; that's just more an empty result. --Masem (t) 17:41, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In absentia apparently has different meanings in common law vs. civil law systems: trial in absentia. Given that I strongly advise against putting that phrase in the blurb because it's very likely to give many a false impression. How many average English-speakers can tell you off the top of the head what legal system Ecuador uses? --47.146.63.87 (talk) 23:03, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very good point, and enlightening for above commentators, but I don't think it makes a difference. One reason in absentia is shunned in Common Law is that it precludes further action at the moment of conviction; that is, convictions can be meaningless. Before this conviction, Correa would have been arrested. After conviction, Correa could be jailed. Changes to Correa's status don't actually depend on what happens in court; they depend on whether Correa makes himself available. Traditionally, ITN has posted convictions because that is the moment when impact in a case is realized, in part because the cases covered are usually Common Law cases. Should the conviction carry no impact, then I can see a reason for posting when sentencing is carried out. If so, perhaps this distinction should make it's way into the ITN instructions.130.233.2.71 (talk) 07:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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A Taliban spokesman says that the group has recalled its negotiators with the government in response to the latter's refusal to release Taliban prisoners. The Taliban also announces it could increase violence against government forces. In response, the government asks the Taliban not to "sabotage the process". (Reuters)
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A major blackout is reported in western and southern Libya, according to the General Electricity Company of Libya, which says its control teams are trying to figure out the reason behind the power outage. (Libya Observer)
A riot breaks out at Qubbah prison in Tripoli, Lebanon, with reports of a "number of injuries". In a separate incident, Lebanese security forces thwart a mass escape attempt at a prison in Beqaa Governorate, which relatives of inmates say is linked to fears of COVID-19. (Al Jazeera)
The Department of Health and Social Care reports 854 more deaths from COVID-19, the highest daily death toll in the country to date, bringing the UK's death toll to 6,159 and 55,242 confirmed cases. (The Guardian)
France reports 1,417 more deaths from COVID-19, the highest daily death toll in the country to date, raising the country's death toll to 10,238. (Sky News)
New York Governor Andrew Cuomo reports 731 more deaths in the state from COVID-19, the highest daily death toll in the state to date, bringing the state's death toll to 5,489 and 138,836 infections. (BBC News)
Former President of EcuadorRafael Correa is found guilty on corruption charges and sentenced to eight years in prison. Correa is also banned from participating in politics until 2045. (Reuters)
Acting Secretary of the NavyThomas Modly resigns amid controversy surrounding his comments regarding Captain Brett Crozier, former commanding officer of the aircraft carrierUSS Theodore Roosevelt. Modly had referred to Crozier, whom he relieved of command on 3 April, as "too naïve or too stupid" to be in command following the leak of a letter the captain had sent pleading for help with the COVID-19 outbreak on his ship. (CNN)
Donald Trump signs an executive order encouraging Americans to resist international restrictions on mining celestial objects, should the situation arise. (The Guardian)
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Nominator's comments: The subject was 13 when she died. (Sadly, she lived a short life. This is a relatively short article, but it is well sourced) TJMSmith (talk) 14:27, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (thus Oppose) This was a perfectly fine redirect to the story about her wider impact for six years, only got kneejerked to a stub because COVID was briefly suspected, should go back to normal instead. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:49, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If there wasn't already a bigger and better article about her bud encapsulating her notable parts, I'd vote Keep (and Support). Not everyone who deserves a standalone bio needs one. It's a redundancy thing, always has been. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Well sourced. Her medical case seemed to be well known in the medical marijuana movement. Could probably do with additional edits, though, since it was recently created. - Whisperjanes (talk) 06:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Support I made some improvements to the article, including removing dead links and making it more Wikipedia-quality. I hope that I helped! --Rockin13:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Probably the biggest legal case in Australia in the last 30 years. The ruling was unanimous and highly critical of the jury and original trial stating that there was a strong possibility an innocent man was convicted. Given that we posted the original conviction, and assuming article quality, I think we have an obligation to post this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC) Ad Orientem (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I agree; this is very clearly notable, and has been updated to note the quashing of the verdict. Is the article good enough, though? This is my first time here, so I'm not sure... — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤)01:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support though I feel there's probably a bit more reaction to be had on the quashed verdict to be had base on the Guardian's running timeline. But yes, we can post these types of reversals of major cases that we've posted the convictions before. --Masem (t) 01:08, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and think it would be a good idea to let this develop a bit while the reactions come in and the article is updated. This basically happened within the last hour or two at the most so there is no rush. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:12, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support This case has attracted international attention since the beginning. This major development seems worth posting, especially, as you point out, since the original conviction was posted here. Bnng (talk) 02:35, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not comfortable with seeing Pell described as an innocent man. A large number of people have come forward over the years and claimed he assaulted them, including a couple more only last week. They are unlikely to all be lying. This trial was on only one charge in the end. So, not legally guilty of that charge, but no evidence he is an innocent man. HiLo48 (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He is, pending the lower court's submission of the acquittal verdict, is innocent of this crime. And he hasn't been proven guilty of any other crimes, so we're not going to consider him guilty of other crimes that people believe he might be guilty of. --Masem (t) 02:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Just saying that (probably like all of us but more so in his case) he cannot be described as an innocent man. HiLo48 (talk) 02:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) In the Anglo-American legal tradition, a person has an absolute legal presumption of innocence until/unless convicted in a court of law. There were five charges on which he was convicted. All five have been quashed and the High Court has taken the extremely unusual step of stating that there was a serious possibility that an innocent man had been convicted. Of course we are all free to form private opinions. But as a matter of law he is innocent. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the argument, which is fair, is that if we posted a person's conviction at ITN, and that conviction was overturned (and in this case, in such a dramatic manner, quashing is not just a simple overturn), we are obligated per BLP to make sure to post that as well, assuming article quality is to par. --Masem (t) 16:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I follow the question. If we post at ITN that someone was convicted of a serious crime, and that conviction is later overturned, or in this case actually quashed with not guilty verdicts entered, then I see no "limit" to our responsibility to post that news (assuming article quality is up to scratch). IMO the obligation is first and foremost, moral. But I also believe that the obligation is at least implicit under WP:BLP. Worse, failing to do so could expose the project to accusations of editorial bias. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the same concept, I would say this does not extend beyond BLP. If we happened to post about the conviction against a company (for some reason), and not directly against any individuals, and that was later over turned, I don't think we would be as morally driven by any policy to post the reversal at ITN (in the article on the situation, yes). --Masem (t) 03:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If we ever posted such a civil case, which would involve fines, and later it was reversed on appeals, we'd do the same. But I have a feeling we'd never post such a civil case, the way things go here at ITN. --Masem (t) 04:55, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support: internationally high-profile case. Also agree with wording of the posted blurb. Blurbs should be for a general audience and avoid jargony words like "quashed". If people want to learn more, that's what the article link is for. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 19:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well now someone changed it back. "Quash" is legal jargon that doesn't aid understanding for most people. I think the general public, to the extent they even know the word at all, only knows it means something like "overturn", so why not just use the latter, which is a familiar word? --47.146.63.87 (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
France reports 833 more deaths from COVID-19, the highest number of deaths recorded in a single day, bringing the country's death toll to 8,911 and the number of cases to 98,010. Health Minister Olivier Véran says, "We have not reached the end of the ascent of this epidemic." (BBC News)
Police and protesters clash in Ivory Coast, after the latter dismantled a half-built COVID-19 testing center over fears that people using the facility would spread the virus through their district. (Reuters)
Deputy Prime Minister Jarosław Gowin tenders resignation over disagreement with the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party as to the upcoming presidential election. He stated at a press conference that the election scheduled for May 10, should be postponed, while the government pushes for the election amid the coronavirus pandemic. Gowin also resigns as Minister of Science and Higher Education. (Radio Poland)
Polish MPs, with 230–226 votes and two abstained, pass a bill under which the presidential election in May will be held by postal vote only. The bill now goes to the upper house, the Senate, for debate. (Radio Poland)
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Not to be too blunt do you have something better than a short form obit (which clearly came from a loved one, not the paper itself). This doesn't pass ITN. Even a statement from one of the Universities he taught at would work. --Masem (t) 21:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose for now. A major figure in Spanish management, but there are large numbers of uncited paragraphs right now. — Amakuru (talk) 07:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose for now. The lead needs a bit more about his music career, a couple of cites missing, and as AD Orientem says, more refs in the discog section. After that, good to go. — Amakuru (talk) 07:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Discography page has been created which is adequetely cited, more info about his music career has been added in the lead section and the article overall has been heavily edited. Good to go? TwinTurbo (talk) 16:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Support, Hi, how are you. Hope fine. I support it, mostly referenced. I'll try to find sources for some gaps, but the gaps don't influence my position. Regards. --CoryGlee (talk) 20:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Astrophysicist who played a key role in developing stellar nucleosynthesis. Died aged 100 after a fall, not COVID-related. Death announced this afternoon. I'm in the process of addressing the ((cn)) tags (most of which I added myself). Modest Geniustalk20:05, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Second-most powerful storm on record in Vanuatu with extensive damage reported. At least 6 deaths (21 missing, BBC says all dead tho) from a COVID ferry incident in the Solomon Islands. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support As one who has been recently updating the article, I say it's quite well sourced and everything we can possibly know right now is inside the article. Hurricaneboy23(Page)
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South Sudan Vice President Riek Machar confirms the country's first case of COVID-19. The patient is a 29-year-old woman who had arrived from Ethiopia in February and is now in isolation. (Reuters)
King Mohammed VI pardons 5,654 prisoners and orders new measures to protect inmates from COVID-19. The prisoners were selected on the basis of their age, frail health, time spent in prison and good conduct. (Middle East Monitor)
New York reports 8,327 new confirmed cases and 594 more deaths from COVID-19, bringing the state's death toll to 4,159 and 122,000 cases, according to Governor Andrew Cuomo. (Reuters)
Queen Elizabeth II gives an address to the nation, just the fifth such event in the monarch's 68-year reign, where she compares social isolation to the world war evacuations, thanks the public for their resilience and the world for unifying. (BBC News)
PresidentPeter Mutharika announces a stimulus package to alleviate the economic stress resulting from the disease. To help finance this program, he and all government ministers are taking a ten percent wage cut for three months. (BBC News)
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Nominator's comments: Actress w/ numerous roles including original UK Avengers TV show but best known as Pussy Galore from Goldfinger. Non-COVID. Several CNs and filmography needs sourcing. Masem (t) 17:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Canadian actress as well as spouse to Donald Sutherland and mother of Kiefer Sutherland. Non-COVID (pneumonia). Sourcing issues. Masem (t) 23:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Strong oppose We already rejected when he was diagnosed . If he does die from this, that would likely be a blurb, but not just being put in serious condition to be hospitalized. --Masem (t) 22:40, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. If he is forced to stand down or (God forbid) he should die, then that would be something we would almost certainly cover. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Reopen based on the development Monday night; Johnson has been moved to intensive care and first secretary Raab is to lead. Kingsif (talk) 19:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - We're not there yet. Let's try and back away from minute-to-minute coverage of COVID-19. It's easy to get swallowed up in the news cycle. --WaltCip (talk) 19:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I hope we never have to post anything further about this, but now isn't the time to post it. 331dot (talk)`
Oppose unless he's officially replaced as PM on a permanent basis, or if he passes away. And reclose. This isn't going to fly. — Amakuru (talk) 19:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support (ec) I still remember where I was when I heard that Kennedy had been shot and this news seems similar in impact. The current blurbs at ITN are all quite stale and unimportant by comparison -- the painting theft was a week ago now and the other blurbs are even older. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:12, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think there is too much of a rush to close this. Is there any other world leader in intensive care because of Covid 19? Dominic Raab is running the UK now. This is a huge story.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment What a horrible discussion, he's a human being. I'm not saying the users are horrible, just the discussion. I'm sensitive, pardon me. --CoryGlee (talk) 20:30, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Finnish environmentalist and writer. Exact date of death unknown, and scarce coverage of announcement in English-language outlets at the moment. Hrodvarsson (talk) 13:37, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Article too small with most of the readable prose being a list of works (as it's not in a table), and not much else about their career.—Bagumba (talk) 12:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Opposesupportfor now. A few CN tags in place and some unsupported material towards the end of the article. I'll sort shortly if no one else does, but my missus has a list of things for me to do in the garden while it's sunny... - SchroCat (talk) 12:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This does not sound like it is an official "result". There have been actual athletes competing in video game equivalents, but no league is yet considering this as equivalent to the actual physical play, and this even more so. --Masem (t) 22:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I had to dig to find any WP:RS actually covering this (doing a search for a topic doesn't count, I want to see it featured), the article is stubby and light on details about the incident itself. The owners of Resolute say it was "purposeful" but the Venezuelans haven't confirmed the same and only they know what their captins intent and motivations were. Non-event on a slow news day. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:42, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality, however I think this might be post-worthy if the articles are improved. Probably pretty embarrassing for Venezuela. - Indefensible (talk) 19:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This kind of thing is surprisingly routine; the sea may be a big place, but the places where shipping wants to be are small. Even US warships—which presumably are equipped with better sensors than anything Venezuela has to offer—regularly collide with commercial shipping (example, example). ‑ Iridescent19:10, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Noting he did die on March 30 but only now his family made news of it. With rate of RDs, would be buried in the current list. (See WT:ITN for ideas/suggestions for trying to deal w/ situation) --Masem (t) 15:30, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. With all respect to his recent death, this teen is not notable in the WP:N sense. All coverage of him is about his recent death, not about his life or short career. He shouldn't even have an article, never mind be featured on ITN. ♠PMC♠ (talk)05:58, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you think he doesn't meet notability, please go ahead and PROD - but since the career section is longer than the death one, and there's sources from 2014, and he won awards for acting, and literally every major film and TV news outlet in North America reported on his death... I don't think it will go very well. Kingsif (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose echoing Chaos - while he is "in the news", the article was just created today and has a total of three editors. While that isn't an absolute negative, it's a major contra-indication, and unfortunately when over three-quarters of the sources regard his death, that's not a good sign either. -- a lad insane(channel two)09:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment ITN/RD doesn't really care how old or under-edited an article is. If it's satisfactory and the person is notable, it can be posted. I was expecting more arguments about privacy of a teenager's family than about newness. Kingsif (talk) 15:06, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yeah, I was going to comment about that as well, but every source in that article that's actually about him is about his death (WP:BIO1E), so I'm sceptical as to whether he passed WP:GNG as well. Black Kite (talk)16:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per TRM. Joseph2302, what on earth makes you think Template:Em of all things is a reliable source for anything, let alone something as sensitive as a death? ‑ Iridescent10:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's an interesting question actually. The Tweet is from the verified account of Dan Snow, who is a notable historian. Does that qualify as a reliable source? If the same author wrote about the death in the Guardian then we would count it, but maybe not on Twitter? I actually don't know the answer to that question. — Amakuru (talk) 13:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The phrase "published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" is pertinent. We have no reason to believe Snow's tweets are checked by anyone, and while online sources can sometimes be described as "published," tweets clearly lack the permanence implied by the word. GreatCaesarsGhost13:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Even when Trump makes declarations via twitter, we have third-party RSes that pick up on it to confirm/corroborate. That's what we'd want here. --Masem (t) 14:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:TJMSmith, please review if you are available. This subject meets notability and the article is well written. Feightner's death was on the 1st but source was published on the 3rd, it would be a shame if he missed the list by a day or few hours. - Indefensible (talk) 03:20, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support- Article is in depth but seems sourced. Rated B class. I added one inline citation needed tag, but it's a strong article overall. TJMSmith (talk) 03:31, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it needs to be moved, but in terms of posting to ITN, based on the Cristina disamb. page, definitely use the full name. --Masem (t) 17:26, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage unfortunately. It meets bare minimum standards describing some of the works he conducted through 1989, but after that it's basically a list of positions he held ("resume in prose format"). SpencerT•C14:22, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - per Template:U, most of the article currently is resume-style, with no discussion of the significance of the work he did. Just a bit more detail on the later part of his career and it would be OK. — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A bit frustrating to read that now, instead of yesterday. Instead of expanding "him", I put effort in what I hoped might become GA, but no (and I knew it), and in Hertha Töpper for whom it's too late anyway. Looks like it's almost too late for him as well. A bit frustrating, but I'll try. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There's really no point in postponing this one any further. These days, no single RD is worth nitpicking ... er, to death ... if it's reasonably informative and documented, as this one is. – Sca (talk) 20:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. I've added extra detail to his roles at the Rhein Oper and at the Lisbon opera so it's fine to go now. There are now eight RD entries, but none have super-long names and all posted within the past 24 hours so seems OK to WP:IAR on that. Apologies to Gerda for the late opposes a day after the nomination, but just because these are strange times doesn't mean the main-page standards have changed. Rather than dismissing Spencer's concern above, it's better to just resolve the issues as I've done. Many thanks Gerda for another informative article. — Amakuru (talk) 20:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support r.e. notability, once sourcing etc. is resolved: Once the article is in good enough shape to address concerns, I think the patriarch of the Marsalis jazz family is certainly RD-worthy. KConWiki (talk) 17:55, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that, per RD policy, having an existing Wikipedia article is enough to be RD-worthy. All that matters is that article quality (especially things like comprehensiveness and referencing and not having any major issues) with regards to posting in RD. --Jayron3217:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose stub, small company. We posted a painting that was stolen because of COVID-19 so that excuse has been exposed as utter horse shit, but this article is not really main page ready. Thanks for the nom Elijahandskip I too appreciate more business news. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:28, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - As per most large companies, declaration of bankrupcy, while still a bad sign, is a means to be able to releverage debt and other financing and at least continue to operate. --Masem (t) 22:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I misspoke. I meant, and thought I had implied, that we don't do such things in the mainspace; humorous stuff like spoof RfAs and AfDs are in projectspace. In any event we don't ever do outright spoofs in the mainspace (other than possibly deliberately-misleading DYKs); that POTD is funny but true, so isn't what I had in mind. A spoof TFA that combined Harry Trumans was voted down in 2018, and given that we didn't cancel the DYK April Fools my oppose still stands. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:59, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not even kidding. Cancellations based on fear of spreading a disease are a dime a dozen, but companies and governments agreeing with the Internet about avoiding jokes is seriously new and unusual. This goes beyond the standard respiratory infection logic to something way more deeply wrong with the virtual human condition (though there are fortunately better sources than The Verge documenting this global buzzkill). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:12, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose With the exception of the Belarus Premier League who have announced an intention to soldier on, virtually every major sporting contest in the world has been cancelled or postponed. Why should we single out this one? ‑ Iridescent17:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]