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(Posted) 2019–20 Australian bushfire season

Article: 2019–20 Australian bushfire season (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian impressively I got these by Googling for the word "Australia", not even using the word "bushfire" → AP, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Been seeing this in the news for quite a while Banedon (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"On 30 December, there were three active fires in East Gippsland on Sunday with a combined area of more than 130,000ha" GreatCaesarsGhost 15:59, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would support moving this and the Citizenship Amendment Act protests up onto the bullet points if someone wants to suggest a blurb or photo, actually. I see them as more important than at least two of the items there. Blythwood (talk) 05:48, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Citizenship act was already posted as a blurb and would be inappropriate again. Ongoing is correct for that. For these Aussie fires, the problem is that they have been ongoing for several months, only now that they have started to have more threatening effects are the rest of the world taking notice. A blurb would not make sense here while ongoing is perfect. --Masem (t) 06:15, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If things get any worse, I think we might consider a blurb. Wars go on for a long time too, but now and then there are significant developments that make news. AP puts total deaths in Australia fires at 17 .– Sca (talk) 15:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: 4,000 people stuck on burning beach in Mallacoota. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:56, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ITN items are ordered chronologically, not in order of "importance".--WaltCip (talk) 17:11, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sonny Mehta

Article: Sonny Mehta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Person is notable and passed recently. I have updated the article and it is in good shape to appear on front page.  Harshil want to talk? 11:20, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Harry Kupfer

Article: Harry Kupfer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel, Die Zeit (in German), AP (in English)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Stage director in Dresden, Berlin, Bayreuth - when Germany was still divided, a rare thing - and the world. There was no uninteresting moment in the productions I saw, - even the last choir member had to support the action. - I am happy that we updated the article in 2019 while he was still alive. Happy 2020Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:08, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Syd Mead

Article: Syd Mead (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Art director for films like Blade Runner and Tron. Unfortunately article has major sourcing gaps. Masem (t) 01:33, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Prosper Grech

Article: Prosper Grech (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican NewsMalta Independent
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First Augustinian Roman Catholic Cardinal in 111 years, co-founded the Patristic Institute Augustinianum in Rome Joseywales1961 (talk) 10:46, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) RD: Neil Innes

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Article: Neil Innes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Comedian, songwriter (The Rutles, The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band) and Monty Python collaborator. Article needs a lot of citations. Black Kite (talk) 13:31, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Vaughan Oliver

Article: Vaughan Oliver (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Noted graphic designer, particularly for his work with 4AD Records2A00:23C5:508F:3E01:B5B0:CF8C:CCE2:6E4B (talk) 21:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Alasdair Gray

Article: Alasdair Gray (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1][2]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Jheald (talk) 11:24, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) December 2019 Mogadishu bombing

Article: December 2019 Mogadishu bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 73 people are killed by a car bomb in Somalia's capital. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ More than 90 people are killed in a suicide truck bombing at a police checkpoint in Mogadishu.
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, AP, Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Stub for now, will grow as more details are known and added. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's unlikely to be edited by many people unless it's put on the homepage. Jim Michael (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's not how ITN works. Quality before posting. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:50, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How else can we bring more editors to it? Jim Michael (talk) 22:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Notify Wikiprojects, tag it for improvement, add it to the current events portal. Either way ITN isn't for getting mediocre articles improved. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:39, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's in 8 projects & on that portal, yet has only had 6 editors. I can't see which tags could be appropriate for it. Jim Michael (talk) 01:53, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support on expansion. Still not wowed by the article, but it's good enough for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:40, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not surprising it's short; it has only had nine editors. What is missing from the article which should be included in it? Jim Michael (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Where does it say that a specific minimum number of characters is a requirement for articles to be posted to ITN or DYK? Jim Michael (talk) 12:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
At the appropriately titled "WP:DYKRULES," a 1,500 character minimum is noted. Bagumba did not state ITN had a character minimum but implied DYK's standard was lower than ITN's (most ITNC contributors would agree). GreatCaesarsGhost 17:03, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article is 5203 bytes. How many characters of prose does it have? Jim Michael (talk) 23:16, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Jim Michael: You can refer to the readable prose guideline WP:RPS.—Bagumba (talk) 01:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That link says it has 2922 characters of prose. If there's a minimum number of characters to qualify for ITN it should be stated somewhere. Jim Michael (talk) 11:06, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see no evidence of a minimum length requirement for ITN; if you're saying there is, please link to the relevant policy/guideline which states it. Also, please say what reliably sourced info should be included in the article which currently isn't.
When a terrorist group say they were the attackers, the phrase claimed responsibility is the usual term that the mainstream media use. Now that al-Shabaab have said they were the attackers, the article no longer needs to state that it was initially unknown which group did it.
Most of the commenters in this discussion have made no edits to the article or its talk page. If the article had more than 13 editors it would likely be of better quality. Jim Michael (talk) 15:10, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A) Again with this straw-man argument? No one said there is a minimum length. There is minimum QUALITY, and short articles will struggle to be comprehensive. B) My objection is not to the term, but that it is poor composition style to use the same subject and verb repeatedly. The article needs a copyedit. C) editors are free to contribute wherever, however, and it what quantity they like. There is no expectation that contributing at ITNC requires you to work on each article that is nominated. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikipedia:In the news#Criteria, it states: "In the case of a new, event-specific article, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs" and includes an example of what a minimum standards looks. While not a minimum character requirement like DYK, let's not be disingenuous and conclude that this requirement is "no evidence of a minimum length requirement for ITN." Best, SpencerT•C 21:39, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It fits those criteria in regard to the paragraphs.
By minimum length, I meant in terms of number of lines/characters/bytes, in response to the claim that it's not even long enough for DYK - strongly implying that ITN articles must be significantly longer than the minimum for DYK.
Had this bombing occurred anywhere in the Western world, the article would have been edited by hundreds of people & would be multiple times longer. Jim Michael (talk) 22:49, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Don Imus

Article: Don Imus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Huffington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well known radio host. Article has minor sourcing issues. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 23:24, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BLP continues to apply to pages about recently deceased persons. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:54, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is a great example of why it's a bad practice. The focus on a few negative events minimizes a long accomplished career. GreatCaesarsGhost 04:10, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They weren't just a few negative events; they were a big deal and garnered a lot of news coverage and controversy.--WaltCip (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There's an entire article about the controversial stuff Howard Stern has said on the air so Imus's page having a few incidents mentioned is fine. TomCat4680 (talk) 16:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A perfect demonstration of recentism causing undue over coverage of then current events. Federal Communications Commission fines of The Howard Stern Show should be trimmed and merged into The Howard Stern Show which is only 25,884 characters (See WP:PAGESIZE). --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:37, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: J. Charles Jones

Article: J. Charles Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS (WBTV)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable civil rights leader with a decently sourced article I and a few others worked on making (albeit I wish now I had gotten it up to GA before his death). Seems worthy of being listed at RD. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 19:47, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish court overturns Wikipedia ban

Article: Block of Wikipedia in Turkey (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Constitutional Court of Turkey overturns ban on Wikipedia in Turkey and rules the ban unconstitutional. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC, Al Jazeera, AP, Guardian, Reuters
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: I was taking break for last couple of days and came to know about this news. So I preferred to nominate here as it is about the key judgement given by the Turkish court. I didn't know whether the ban on Wikipedia by Turkish aithorities was posted here. I think this could be significant in order to add it in ITN. Abishe (talk) 19:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I've never been tempted to gaze at my navel. – Sca (talk) 22:59, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully disagree that this does not have lasting notability; this is a significant free speech ruling in a country not known for free speech. I don't see it as a Wikipedia story, but as a free speech story. 331dot (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If that is true, the article does not have any information regarding the implications of it being unblocked. Besides the sentence in the introduction, the article only has On 26 December 2019, the court ruled in a 10–6 vote that the block of Wikipedia violated the freedom of expression and ordered it to be lifted immediately without any further reactions/information about how this sets precedent, etc. If the article can be expanded to show how this is clearly the case, I would be willing to support. SpencerT•C 19:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • DNS over wifi, I check with mobile data.--Joseph (talk) 21:41, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a 'local item', this is a national supreme court ruling involving one of the top visited websites in the world(which has a global physical presence). Very little would be posted if more than one country had to be involved in any posting. 331dot (talk) 12:05, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You sure? As of right now, there are three items in the box. The first involves a plane crash. Per Boeing 737 MAX, this kind of plane crash can have international consequences. The second is about Jamal Khashoggi. A quick Google search yields three new items, variously titled "Khashoggi decision unacceptable attempt to acquit real perpetrators of murder, Altun says", "Saudi Arabia under fire over Khashoggi ruling – Middle East Monitor", and "'Antithesis of justice': Khashoggi verdict roundly condemned", showing it's continuing to make the news. The last item is about the Netherland's court ruling on climate change. Climate change obviously has international consequences. I'm not seeing any evidence this item is on par with the blurbs already posted. Banedon (talk) 12:20, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There are good stretches and bad stretches. The fact remains that ITN is not (and should not be) limited to international events/events involving more than one country. We even call this out at the top of this page. 331dot (talk) 12:22, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As I indicated as well, Wikipedia has a global presence, both physically and on the internet. 331dot (talk) 12:23, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

* Remove photo of Jamal Khashoggi, please. Must be someone more important by 2020!--Dthomsen8 (talk) 20:23, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Bek Air Flight 2100 plane crash

Article: Bek Air Flight 2100 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A domestic passenger crashed in Kazakhstan, killing at least 12 people and injuring 60. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A domestic passenger flight crashes in Kazakhstan, killing at least 12 people and critically injuring 54.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A domestic airline's passenger plane crashes in Kazakhstan, killing at least 12 people and injuring 54 others.
News source(s): BBC. Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

 Sherenk1 (talk) 13:35, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because for unknown reasons a small low cost domestic carrier cashed a 20 year old regional jet from a company which has been out of business for two decades? I must be brainless since I'm not seeing the notability here. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How does "out of business for two decades" feature here exactly? Those 12 lives are worth comparatively less? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Beyond those fatalities, this crash was unusual in that 86 survived, of whom 49 were hospitalized. (The plane was of Dutch manufacture.)Sca (talk) 16:39, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So it's a memorial thing? What are the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for notability? A little context -- because if a rare Uncontained engine failure of the most common power plant on the most common airplane wasn't notable then please explain how a podunk airline crashing a rickety airframe fished out of a is ... other than the completely irrelevant body count. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:50, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sca (talk) 17:08, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A fatal civilian airline flight has been the standard for posting air crashes since ages. WP:MEMORIAL or MINIMUMDEATHS are irrelevant in this case. Brandmeistertalk 17:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
IntoThinAir's MINIMUMDEATHS essay notes that the 2013 Glasgow helicopter crash killed 9 people but failed to be posted on notability. It does also quote you, wherein you state that double digits in airline deaths is automatically considered notable, so there's that.--WaltCip (talk) 19:08, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest that, if and when this gets posted, we don't actually use the word "podunk" in any blurb. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC) p.s. "Taiwanese trash bin"? [reply]
Top story on BBC News at Six tonight. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:08, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Minor syntax revisions made to lead. Though comparatively short, looks good to go. Marked ready. – Sca (talk) 23:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Reader comprehension" is improved by naming the flight like we always do. "A domestic airline" is ambiguous and unhelpful. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't an issue for the Ural airlines crash we posted last August. The standard air crash blurb is fine. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, the ultimate criterion at the English-language Wikipedia is "it fits the format." Forget about what the words signify to the reader. – Sca (talk) 22:53, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Treating similar news in similar format is part of NPOV. Not naming the airline would be an indication of a Western/European POV. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 23:11, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a reader. I knew this was coming and when I saw the blurb my reaction was "a domestic airline, what the fuck does that mean?". Of course it's an airline a flock of condors didn't crash here and what does it matter if it's international or domestic? I don't know why you're so hung up on "flight" either. A flight, that is "a trip made by an aircraft, particularly one between two cities or countries, which is often planned or reserved in advance" to which this story is obviously referring can have numerous outcomes such as arriving, delay or crashing into the dirt a few miles from the airport. Seriously, I don't see a single actual published news story using the description "a domestic airline" because it's nonsense. Maybe the Guardian got it wrong?. We post these every 4 to 6 weeks what is suddenly wrong with the standard informative air crash blurb? --LaserLegs (talk) 01:20, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A 'flight' is an abstract, descriptive word denoting an action by an airplane (or bird). It is not a noun referring to an airplane – it does not denote a thing-in-itself. It is the thing that crashes, not the action, which is not a thing but rather a mental concept. As Oxford states, a Flight is "an act of flying; a journey made through the air or in space, especially a timetabled journey made by an airline."
'Flights' don't crash because they aren't physical things. Airplanes sometimes crash, killing or injuring people inside them. That some at Wiki have made it a habit to refer to a 'flight' as if it were a thing does not make such irrational usage linguistically correct. The so-called "format" of which you're so unaccountably fond should be avoided by all. – Sca (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Flight 2100" is a compound noun. Stating that a numbered flight, such as United Airlines Flight 93, crashed is perfectly grammatical and idiomatic. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 04:00, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly, but still not a thing in itself. The phrase refers to an action by a thing. It's not really an idiom – and besides idioms by their nature are not transparently intelligible, usually being metaphoric. – Sca (talk) 15:37, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I meant Idiomatic: "Using, containing, or denoting expressions that are natural to a native speaker." --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:39, 30 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Same diff. Still not a thing.
Further the affiant sayeth naught.Sca (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Kushal Punjabi

Article: Kushal Punjabi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times, India Today, India Today, NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian film and television actor known for his roles in movies such as Lakshya. Committed suicide. DTM (talk) 08:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sue Lyon

Article: Sue Lyon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Montreal Times, NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actress know for her roles in Lolita, The Night of the Iguana, among other movies. --SirEdimon (talk) 01:25, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jerry Herman

Article: Jerry Herman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prolific Broadway composer and lyricist. Refs needed for some statements, especially in the article text, but it's probably in better shape than a lot of articles with "works" lists/sections because that part is already decently sourced. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Betelgeuse may be about to explode

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Article: Betelgeuse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Betelgeuse's recent dimming may be indicative of an impending supernova (Post)
News source(s): NGC; CNN
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: [3] Count Iblis (talk) 12:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Guinan, Edward F.; Wasatonic, Richard J.; Calderwood, Thomas J. (8 December 2019). "ATel #13341 - The Fainting of the Nearby Red Supergiant Betelgeuse". The Astronomer's Telegram. Retrieved 27 December 2019.
  2. ^ Guinan, Edward F.; Wasatonic, Richard J.; Calderwood, Thomas J. (23 December 2019). "ATel #13365 - Updates on the "Fainting" of Betelgeuse". The Astronomer's Telegram. Retrieved 27 December 2019.
  3. ^ Drake, Nadia (26 December 2019). "A giant star is acting strange, and astronomers are buzzing - The red giant Betelgeuse is the dimmest seen in years, prompting some speculation that the star is about to explode. Here's what we know". National Geographic Society. Retrieved 26 December 2019.
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(Closed) 26 Dec solar eclipse

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Article: Solar eclipse of December 26, 2019 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An annular eclipse visible across much of Asia occurs (Post)
News source(s): [4][5][6]
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Nominator's comments: I don't know about this. Annular eclipses are not ITNR, and they aren't that uncommon apparently, annular eclipses that are visible from large swathes of Earth are uncommon. It's making the news (just put in "eclipse" into Google) so I'm nominating this. Banedon (talk) 07:51, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Lee Mendelson

Article: Lee Mendelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs more refs. On the phone now, will try to update once I'm home. –FlyingAce✈hello 18:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why the template is not working for me... Article is Lee Mendelson, refs need work, will try to update later. –FlyingAce✈hello 18:38, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Schreier

Article: Peter Schreier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: As the BBC writes, one of the leading lyric tenors of the 20th century, The GDR export to the West. - His article was in poor shape, and could still be imprved but I need a break. Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think, that this two GDR books don't have ISBN numbers. Grimes2 (talk) 17:15, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We don't really need the 3 old documentaries at all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Táňa Fischerová

Article: Táňa Fischerová (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Český rozhlas, Novinky.cz
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Jenda H. (talk) 19:42, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ari Behn

Article: Ari Behn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Express.co.uk, De Telegraaf
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --BabbaQ (talk) 20:48, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Typhoon Phanfone causes at least thirteen deaths in the Phillipines

Article: Typhoon Phanfone (2019) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Typhoon Phanfone makes landfall in the Phillipines causing at least twenty deaths with many more missing (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Death toll stands at 13 this morning, the article is being updated as I write so hopefully it will contain good details Joseywales1961 (talk) 11:09, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Attention needed) RD: Kelly Fraser

Article: Kelly Fraser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, CBC News
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Canadian Inuk pop singer-songwriter, whose second album was Juno-nominated. RebeccaGreen (talk) 04:54, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Allee Willis

Article: Allee Willis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, Rolling Stone
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Nominator's comments: Prolific songwriter ( Friends theme, September, What Have I Done to Deserve This, Neutron Dance). CoatCheck (talk) 03:45, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Willis is listed here (in category 58). Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:56, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Andrew Miller

Article: Andrew Miller (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Mail
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Nominator's comments: British former politician. Article needs further sourcing. Skteosk (talk) 08:47, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to Ongoing) Citizenship Amendment Act protests

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Articles: Citizenship Amendment Act protests (talk · history · tag) and Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In India, Prime Minister Modi defends law on citizenship for migrants, while the protests (pictured) continue with twenty five dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In India, protests (pictured) against the law on citizenship for migrants continue with twenty five dead.
News source(s): CAA protests deadlier than months-long Hong Kong protests: 25 killed in India, 2 deaths reported in Hong Kong, BBC India protests: PM Modi defends citizenship bill amid clashes, CNN Protests rage across India over citizenship law
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Protests continue, Excellent sourcing, Deadlier than the Hong Kong protests already. DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 23:40, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comment. The government instead of relenting has decided to defend the law, even though death toll climbs. Both are major news items across major newspapers. So a blurb is merited IMHO. An ongoing, though acceptable, will be the bare minimum for this. --DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 00:00, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LaserLegs, I did one round of copy-editing (edit: protests article). DTM (talk) 11:23, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
24 December Times of India In one voice, 80,000 Bengaluru citizens reject CAA , the  article has a timeline for fans of chronology. The geographical names are listed chronologically and not alphabetically. The protests are not under a central organisation so it is useful to read geographically how it proceeded. You are welcome to propose changes on the talk page. DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 04:59, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The comparison to HK is not applicable to India. One is a city and other is a large country with many states. Please propose your changes on article talk page. --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 13:12, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Harshil169 your comment makes absolutely no sense to me at all. An ongoing has no blurb. If you have a better blurb, feel free to add it in the template above and support your own blurb. --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 15:29, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Stephen, I did one round of reading and copyediting (edit: protests article). It isn't that bad... DTM (talk) 11:25, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Jangid please provide the refs for this concern, so that it can be fixed. --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 13:42, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DBigXray, here they’re: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/caa-protests-up-government-starts-process-seize-property-protesters-involved-violence-1630471-2019-12-22 and https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/explain-or-pay-for-damage-up-administration-sends-notice-to-26-people-in-sambhal-for-caa-violence-1631638-2019-12-26 . However, so far, only Uttar Pradesh has done this...RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 15:15, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed RedBulbBlueBlood9911 and Jangid thanks for the kind note and the link. I have included this into the article. thanks.
RedBulbBlueBlood9911, do you find the blurb not notable enough ? the death number is significant. As Muboshgu suggested, what stops from promoting this as a blurb and roll it off to ongoing if it still continued ? --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 19:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Because this story was already posted two weeks ago, and subsequently rolled off. We don’t post the same story twice. Stephen 19:56, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DBigXray, it seems there are some issues on the page (neutrality, grammar and so on). From what I’ve read, there is no reason to not put this in ongoing now, however, so I guess the admins have to get back to editing. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 16:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
4-5 editors have done massive C/E on this page. The grammar issues are mostly fixed since the time it was pointed out. --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 16:09, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In the so taken step by government of India, seems that there's lack of public awareness in certain sections and is even noticed by the violent and atrocious situations arrived.The Article should highlight the content and should work a assistance to public awareness and lack of efficiency in handling the situation in initial days.

Thanks a million

SHISHIR DUA (talk) 16:53, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that you want "The "protests" and "timeline of protest" sections be combined". Unfortunately that is not going to happen, as this current structure has been discussed on the talk page and as per consensus, preferred over other structures. This structure helps readability since events are spread over multiple days and are happening in parallel on several places. You are free to propose and argue the benefits of one over the others. In any case this is not sufficient reason for an ITN Hold up.
Thanks for pointing out the "protest of 300,000" I have now included more content.
Regarding Proseline and Grammar issues. IMHO they are largely fixed, An admin should check the article and decide. --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 19:54, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"In Lucknow, police prevents students of Nadwa University to come out of the campus to protest, leading to clashes.". So, grammar. How many students? Why? For how long? What clashes? What consequences? Why is this bullet point factoid notable at all? The article is full of this stuff and I'm frankly tired of featuring garbage like this on the main page. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:58, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed I copy edited that line. You can read the details at Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests#Nadwa_University. This is still an ongoing event. Investigations underway and will be updated as and when we have the details. --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 10:55, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also both the timeline and Protest section are organized in chronological order. the Protest section is divided into sub-sections on states that are arranged in chronological order.--Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 19:21, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Sri Lankan cricket team in Pakistan

Article: Sri Lankan cricket team in Pakistan in 2019–20 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Pakistan beat Sri Lanka to win first home Test cricket series in a decade since the 2009 attack on the Sri Lankan team. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Pakistan beat Sri Lanka to win first home Test cricket series to be played in Pakistan in a decade since the 2009 attack on the Sri Lankan team.
News source(s): DAWN BBC Al Jazeera France 24 NYT WaPo AFP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The first home Test series in a decade in Pakistan is In the News and the article now also contains summary of the matches. Vegan Gypsy (talk) 16:20, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LaserLegs, latter. --Happy Holidays! ᗙ DBigXray 21:45, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: John Cain

Article: John Cain (41st Premier of Victoria) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former premier of Victoria. I have added references to the article, and think it is passable. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:58, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mr. Niebla

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Article: Mr. Niebla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MedioTiempo (es)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Mexican professional wrestler MPJ-DK (talk) 00:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't realise it had been assessed as a Good Article. That's seriously ridiculous. How can a collection of acting scripts become a good article? Not a good look for Wikipedia. HiLo48 (talk) 05:17, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So I am sorry to see that you think this is the appropriate platform for you to get on a soapbox. Your non-policy based point has been clearly made, how bout we let other people chime in? MPJ-DK (talk) 05:32, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What is non-policy based about my Oppose comment? Do we really accept the scripts of pro-wrestling as somehow describing a person's life? HiLo48 (talk) 05:38, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please do point to the policy that supports your oppose based on the fact that the article is "too much about his career" - would you lodge a similar complaint if an article about a golfer is primarily abou their golf career? if an article about a career military office is primarily about their army career? If the article on a politician is primarily about their political work? Please show me that policy and i'll happily withdraw this nomination on the spot. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Misrepresentation is a crappy form of argument. At no point have I said that the article is "too much about his career". Of course we write about the successes of a pro-golfer, because they would be real. The "successes" of a pro-wrestler are not. They are created by scriptwriters. There is a massive difference. HiLo48 (talk) 22:44, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The successes, while you might consider them to be created by scriptwriters, are due to the wrestlers' ability and drawing power, so it's not like the wrestler is removed from the equation. As such, even a fictitious championship is an accomplishment, as it is an acknowledgement that the promotion has enough faith in them to make them a face of the company. I would argue, therefore, that it is not as empty as you claim, and that the most talented performers rise to the top, much like in more "true" athletic competitions. However, we're getting distracted from the fact that the article is considered sufficiently notable for posting, and it has already been reviewed for quality. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:24, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I misrepresented anything, I presented your argument in a different context and you didn't like it. So let's compare them to actors - except here he played the same role since 1994 basically - So championships could be considered the same as awards, appearing on major shows = "Special guest appearance" etc. his in-ring achivements is to a degree a result of his skills, charisma etc. not that different than an actor. Are you saying that the article on actors with a 30 year career should not include the awards someone voted for him to get (not won "competitively" after all), not include supporting or starring roles in shows and movies? is that not, generally speaking, what an actors career section covers? So yes here he gets in the ring and pretends to want to injure his opponents, no different than getting on a stage and do Shakespear, no diffent than guest starring on the Golden Girs, no different than being a space cleric with a fantasy weapon - except he played that role day in and day out any time he was in public. And you never cited any actual policy, so as it stands it is your personal opinion and nothing more. MPJ-DK (talk) 04:07, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"...championships could be considered the same as awards" Utter nonsense. The championships only exist because someone wrote them into the script. Never the case with awards. There is no way that article deserves to be "Good". HiLo48 (talk) 07:40, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So again more clear hostility towards the subjet matter, but nothing policy based. Thank you for confirming that there is nothing but your personal opinion behind the objection. MPJ-DK (talk) 08:09, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Again, completely wrong. I have no feelings either way about the subject matter, but I know that the article supporting this is a load of total rubbish. That IS a policy based issue. HiLo48 (talk) 08:39, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bolding three separate votes from a single person seems like it's designed to mislead others. GaryColemanFan (talk) 14:30, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ITN is supposed to encourage people to read our best articles. Sensible readers will laugh at this one. It's like going back to the 1960s when people believed pro-wrestling was real. HiLo48 (talk) 22:12, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Ahmed Gaid Salah

Article: Ahmed Gaid Salah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, France 24, NYT
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Nominator's comments: Algerian army chief, compelled President Bouteflika to resign this year. Jamez42 (talk) 14:26, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Ongoing Removal 2019 Maltese protests

Article: 2019 Maltese protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The last "protests" were on December 13th (though the article doesn't say how many people) and the last update a was a week ago for an "NGO" calling on he government for "protection". Not "regularly updated with new, pertinent information". In addition, the article makes numerous references to non-specific "NGOs" which makes it impossible to attribute actions and statements to specific groups. Finally, the whole thing is in desperate need of a copyedit for grammar. LaserLegs (talk) 13:47, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi

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Article: Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A court in Saudi Arabia sentences five people to death for the 2018 killing of Jamal Khashoggi. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: One orange tag on one section, otherwise a solid well-sourced article. Significant development in this case now that Saudi Arabia has handed down the first legal judgements regarding culpability. Spokoyni (talk) 10:24, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are a part of this widely popular case. 17 of them are Sanctioned by US Treasury. I have noted this. --DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 17:10, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RGW may be of interest to you. No comment on the nom --LaserLegs (talk) 19:06, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RGW may be of interest to leading human rights groups around the world, as the internal affairs of RSA often are? The article should just report what they say, because it's in the news? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I misunderstood your comment. Sorry. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks El_C, can someone post the credits ? --DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 23:47, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
credits given by User:Ammarpad. Thx. --DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 10:28, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Ammarpad - you've only given credits to one of those listed. User:Octoberwoodland and I are still waiting. Spokoyni (talk) 07:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ram Dass

Article: Ram Dass (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Recent deaths: Ram Dass. Dass died on December 22. The author of Be Here Now and other books. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:29, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Just a bit more for those who may not know of his work. Ram Dass' importance in both the 1960s counter-culture and the 1970s western understanding of yoga and perceptional consciousness training is very notable, and his book Be Here Now influenced many in the same way Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi had done for decades. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:59, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have made some clean-up and polishing edits in "Works". Randy Kryn (talk) 12:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Britton

Article: Tony Britton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British actor, article needs a bit of work Black Kite (talk) 18:19, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister of Cuba

Article: Manuel Marrero Cruz (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Forty-three years after Fidel Castro abolished the position, Manuel Marrero Cruz becomes the 17th Prime Minister of Cuba. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, CNN, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: Notable change in Cuba's governing, first appointment in 43 years. PotentPotables (talk) 11:31, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Thomas Chandy

Article: Thomas Chandy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
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Nominator's comments: Former Kerala minister Thomas Chandy died Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Emanuel Ungaro

Article: Emanuel Ungaro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, Vogue
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Nominator's comments: French fashion designer Jamez42 (talk) 14:49, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 FIFA Club World Cup

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Article: 2019 FIFA Club World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Liverpool defeats Flamengo to win the 2019 FIFA Club World Cup. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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 --SirEdimon (talk) 20:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Klopp's above-mentioned comments are because the tournament is looked upon with contempt and hostility by some elements in Europe (tho not the remaining 90% of the world). The fact that the BBC chose to show the final live in prime time on its main channel (BBC ONE) suggests that this contempt and hostility is not shared by huge numbers of ordinary fans (and Europe's excellent recent record in the cup suggests that major European clubs like Real Madrid now take it seriously too). This does not mean that they regard it as more important than the Champions League, but if that were a requirement for posting at ITN, then about 90% of our ITNR sports items would have to be removed (and huge numbers of non-sporting events would also have to be removed), etc. Incidentally the last Cricket World Cup to be held in India (about 4 years ago, if I remember right) chose to market itself as 'the Cup that matters', presumably because many in India think the T20 world cup is more important, but we quite rightly did not use this as grounds for not posting (nor even for removing it from ITNR). Tlhslobus (talk) 17:27, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Martin Peters

Article: Martin Peters (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English footballer and manager. Member of the England team which won the 1966 FIFA World Cup and played the 1970 World Cup --SirEdimon (talk) 17:21, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Creation of United States Space Force

Article: United States Space Force (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: President Trump signs defense bill that officially creates the United States Space Force. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United States Space Force, the sixth branch of the United States Armed Forces, is officially created.
News source(s): NPR, The Guardian, BBC, ABC.
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Nominator's comments: This is the first time that a new branch has been added since 1947. This will also be the first time that the United States will have a dedicated space military presence, as NASA is a civilian agency, and the Air Force only did this as a side mission. PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 20:23, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) State of the Netherlands v. Urgenda Foundation

Article: State of the Netherlands v. Urgenda Foundation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Dutch Supreme Court upholds a ruling that the Netherlands government must meet established emissions reduction milestones, establishing the first legal case of climate change impacting human rights. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Dutch Supreme Court upholds a ruling that the Netherlands government must meet established emissions reduction milestones, creating the first legal precedent on the impact of climate change on human rights
News source(s): Bloomberg, The Guardian
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: While this case had made news in 2015 from the lower court ruling, it had been appealed twice, but upheld at all points. I think the article is pretty much there? There's some weird formatting stuff I can't figure out immediately, but sourcing, it seems to be there. Masem (t) 16:51, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest removing "Climate Justice" piece as a target, leaving only State of the Netherlands v. Urgenda Foundation. (Unwieldy article name could be simplified, though.)Sca (talk) 15:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Sca. SpencerT•C 18:14, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with removing "climate justice" (as I wrote the case article, I think it needs to be tuned towards "climate change litigation" to be a bit more neutral, but that would take more work). Not sure how to reduce the name, as not familiar enough with how Dutch law cases get shortened. (Could it be "Netherlands v. Urgenda?" not sure?) --Masem (t) 18:41, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"2019 Netherlands climate ruling" – ?? – Sca (talk) 14:55, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Boeing Orbital Flight Test

Article: Boeing Orbital Flight Test (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An anomaly occurs during the first test flight of the Boeing Starliner spacecraft, preventing a planned rendezvous with the International Space Station (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Space.com
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 – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 14:12, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: The failure of a crew-rated spacecraft is "boring"? – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 05:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I could be wrong but I don't believe it is yet crew-rated(hence the test flight). 331dot (talk) 08:06, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, nothing effectively happened? It missed the target, when reaching would be interesting. It didn't blow up or set on fire or otherwise cause injury. A blurb isn't "thing was supposed to happen but didn't", you know? Like "guy was going to break the world record but fell short" isn't worth a blurb unless there's an independently interesting reason why. And per standards of ITNs for space exploration, I think only a successful flight & rendezvous warrants a blurb. Kingsif (talk) 16:45, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Polish judicial disciplinary panel law

Article: Polish judicial disciplinary panel law (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Polish judicial disciplinary panel law passed by Sejm, despite warnings this may force Poland out of EU evoking widespread protests throughout Poland. (Post)
News source(s): [11][12][13][14][15]
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 MozeTak (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Evo Morales

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Article: Evo Morales (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bolivian prosecutors issue arrest warrant against Former Bolivian President Evo Morales (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera, The Guardian
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Arrest order issued to former Bolivian President who is already facing charges related to corruption. He has been given refugee status in Argentina Abishe (talk) 12:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

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Article: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The final episode of the Skywalker saga premieres and goes on general release. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is big news, of course, but I'm not sure if we should focus on the premiere or the general release. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:05, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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State of emergency declared in Australia's New South Wales

Article: 2019–20 Australian bushfire season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ State of emergency is declared in Australia's New South Wales following record breaking temperatures and ongoing bushfires. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ State of emergency is declared in New South Wales, Australia following record breaking temperatures and ongoing bushfires
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, Guardian, Reuters, AP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Bushfires are quite regular in Australia but this time around the bushfires have been uncontrollable. The bushfires have also resulted in implementing state of emergency in New South Wales. Abishe (talk) 07:50, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering if it should also mention the "record-breaking heatwave" with the record set on Tuesday and than broken the next day. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:04, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That would be less of a problem if more editors (not just Australians) worked to prevent such nominations falling off this page. HiLo48 (talk) 02:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb needs more work, I would help but I'm off on a deployment in a few hours. Bidgee (talk) 13:51, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not 'suggesting' anything of the kind. Be less disparaging. I do suggest that some of our Australian colleagues familiar with the topic and the country work on the article. – Sca (talk) 13:40, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Why just Australians? And this article is not likely to become stable enough to support the nomination in the time-frame required. HiLo48 (talk) 23:17, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Homo erectus

Article: Homo erectus (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Homo erectus survived into comparatively recent times in South East Asia, a new study has revealed (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Study reveals Homo erectus survived until around 110,000 years ago in South East Asia, more recently than previously known
Alternative blurb II: ​ A study suggests Homo erectus died off due to rainforests destroying its natural grassland habitat in Java, around 110,000 years ago.
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: As per article "The latest study highlights a mind-boggling truth: that many of the species we thought of as transitional stages in this onward march overlapped with each other, in some cases for hundreds of thousands of years." Sherenk1 (talk) 06:25, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted, Ongoing removed) Impeachment of Donald Trump

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Article: Impeachment of Donald Trump (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President Donald Trump is impeached by the United States House of Representatives. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ President Donald Trump is impeached by the United States House of Representatives, charging him with abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The United States House of Representatives votes to impeach President Donald Trump.
News source(s): The Guardian; NBC News
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Nominator's comments: The vote is going to be within the hour, and no one thinks it will fail(if it did, that would likely merit posting too). I've suggested two blurbs though I'm open to changes. It could be pulled from Ongoing. I'm also open to a different image- and I wouldn't be opposed to leaving the current image of Musharraf up for awhile longer. 331dot (talk) 00:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Did a Republican vote yes? Amash is an independent. 331dot (talk) 01:29, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There's only 1 indep vote at the moment but the Repub vote got removed a minute ago.  Nixinova TC   01:34, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support original blurb. | abequinnfourteen 01:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not counting all the wars, sure, it's up there. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should the picture be updated to be of the US President? -- Rockstonetalk to me! 02:17, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Has he been sentenced to death? Why not wait until then before switching pictures. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:19, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not yet, but the top blurb gets the pic. It's in the protection queue now. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:20, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    If you include political death under that definition, then yes.  Nixinova TC   02:22, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How many times has he allegedly commited suicide now, six? InedibleHulk (talk) 02:38, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now image is protected, so image swapped. --Masem (t) 02:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) Herman Boone

Article: Herman Boone (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Legendary high school football coach Herman Boone dies at the age of 84 (Post)
Alternative blurb: Herman Boone, legendary coach of the T.C. Williams High School football team, dies at the age of 84
Alternative blurb II: ​ Legendary high school football coach Herman Boone, who was immortalized in the 2000 film Remember the Titans, dies at 84
News source(s): https://wtop.com/alexandria/2019/12/herman-boone-alexandria-football-coach-immortalized-in-remember-the-titans-dies-at-84/
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Nominator's comments: This deserves a listing given the significance this person has in both local and national history. 2601:187:4581:7F50:A4EE:F954:9CC6:6166 (talk) 00:17, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm well aware of that... my point being that IMHO this deserves more than just an RD mention. 2601:187:4581:7F50:A4EE:F954:9CC6:6166 (talk) 00:24, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Gretzky's getting a great one someday. But yeah, Ali was the greatest. The Great Khali will likely be an exception to this unwritten "great" rule. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
InedibleHulk It isn't unwritten, see WP:ITNRD. 331dot (talk) 01:15, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I mean the rule about assuming greatness based on a person's clear and present moniker. Generally holds true, but there'll always be pretenders. Khali was good in the lesser The Longest Yard, but that only goes so far toward immortality. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not absolutely "funny" yet. Remember when Jesse Owens was misdiagnosed as a "civil rights champion" for running against the backdrop of Hitler looking stupid? What if...no...we'd get cancelled. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:14, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
InedibleHulk, I dread the day John Lewis dies. That is going to be one hell of a contentious ITN nomination. Gives me flashbacks of John McCain's nomination. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 07:09, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Then let that fear guide us toward eradicating the orange menace at the heart of his activism, before people hear about him for the first time! By us, I mean you guys. Wake up, verifiers! InedibleHulk (talk) 08:58, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Dummy. p. 210.
 Done. Looks like someone misinterpreted |pages= to mean the total number of pages in the source. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 07:01, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Geulah Cohen

Article: Geulah Cohen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Jerusalem Post
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:28, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zafar Chaudhry

Article: Zafar Chaudhry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DAWN
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Article updated
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 Vegan Gypsy (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@MSGJ: I'm hoping if the primary ref I placed would be sufficient. --Vegan Gypsy (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Coffeeandcrumbs: I have placed the page no. after the refs end but haven't checked the pages= within the refs. Hoping it ain't something that'll hold it from being posted. --Vegan Gypsy (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Vegan Gypsy: I cleaned up the rest. But there is a small gap in the biography. Can you add when he returned from exile in Canada? He fled to Canada in 1974 but returned to serve in Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and died in Pakistan. But when did he go back to Pakistan? --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 20:18, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Cyrus Mistry

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Articles: Cyrus Mistry (talk · history · tag) and Natarajan Chandrasekaran (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: NCLAT restores Cyrus Mistry as executive chairman of Tata Group and held the appointment of N Chandrasekaran as illegal. (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times, The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Ongoing boardroom saga in 100 Billion Tata Group Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:52, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jerome L. Singer

Article: Jerome L. Singer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hartford Courant
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. Death was announced today. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:34, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Your change only replaced the Courant obituary with pretty much the same one from Legacy.com. My original comment was simply an extension of MSGJ's point about lack of independent sources. Paid obituaries are not forbidden, per se. Quality is a concern w.r.t. NPOV if the article is not backed mostly with independent coverage.—Bagumba (talk) 01:40, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @TDKR Chicago 101 and Bagumba: This and this may help. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 05:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    There is also this festschrift, but I think one of his sons was one of the co-editors. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 06:34, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Bagumba: & @MSGJ: Added more independent sources. I kept the Courant for his death section only as I think it is appropriate as its an obituary. Other than that, more independent sources added thanks to @Coffeeandcrumbs:! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:12, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Pervez Musharraf

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Article: Pervez Musharraf (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf is sentenced to death for treason and subverting the constitution. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf who is currently residing in Dubai is sentenced to death and subverting the constitution.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf is found guilty of high treason and sentenced to death in absentia for imposing the state of emergency.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf currently exiled in Dubai, is sentenced to death in absentia for treason.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf is sentenced to death in absentia for treason and subverting the constitution.
News source(s): CNN,BBC, Economic Times, NDTV, Al Jazeera, Reuters, The Guardian
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Both articles updated

Nominator's comments: Death penalty is issued to one of the prominent political figures in Pakistan. News is developing. Abishe (talk) 07:37, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

*Support: Though it should be made clear that he isn't in the country and the sentence will not be immediately carried out if at all. Gotitbro (talk) 17:44, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: Agree with Andrew, this is unlikely to have any impact on this former head of state or even the current ones. Inconsequential in the end. Gotitbro (talk) 18:28, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Re: In absentia Some commenters here insist it's misleading to not mention it, believing it's informative and exposes the ruling to be toothless. However, according to The Washington Post, he's been receiving medical attention since leaving the country, and reportedly is seriously ill.[19] Giving the blurb the impression that he's a fugitive obfuscates the real story of the sentencing by omitting mention that he's ill and likely to die while never being allowed back to his own country. Keep the blurb focused on the current sentencing, not on future speculation. Use the original blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 01:19, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ: citations have been added.
You appear to have modified every blurb, including changing "president" to "dictator." Why was that?-- P-K3 (talk) 21:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Although both are applicable here, but I note that most of the media houses e.g. CNN, NDTV are calling him president. so President seems to be more apt. --DBigXray 21:59, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have undone the "dictator". I think Alternative blurb IV is best. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 22:00, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ: Can the blurb be modified to incorporate the Musharraf high treason case article that is now fairly developed? --Vegan Gypsy (talk) 20:36, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The format of Musharraf high treason case is pure proseline, thus below the quality standard for linking from Main Page at this time.—Bagumba (talk) 08:49, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Basil Butcher

Article: Basil Butcher (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: West Indian cricketer. Article in fairly good shape. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:33, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019

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Articles: Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019 (talk · history · tag) and Citizenship Amendment Act protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India's Prime Minister has appealed for calm as violent protests against a new law on illegal migrants entered a fifth day. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Atleast six people killed and many arrested in protests (pictured) against a new law on citizenship for migrants
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Nationwide protests are still going on. Six people have been killed and 50 injured according to BBC article. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Me Too. --DBigXray 13:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and copy edited it. The AfD nom has withdrawn and is heading for a Keep. --DBigXray 12:47, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
 Posted. El_C 13:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks El_C, can someone post the credits.--DBigXray 13:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Done by Amkuru--DBigXray 14:55, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@MSGJ: Number of deaths has increased to 24 now. Please update. -Nizil (talk) 12:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Monique Leyrac

Article: Monique Leyrac (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.lapresse.ca/arts/201912/15/01-5253854-la-chanteuse-monique-leyrac-seteint-a-91-ans.php
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Nominator's comments: Le chanteuse Quebecoise. Could use a little more expansion but is completely sourced. ミラP 04:23, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What she did in the 1990s is this newfangled thing you might have heard about called retirement, which people tend to do in their 60s and 70s. Neither her article on fr (slightly but not significantly longer, but with fewer footnoted references than ours) nor her entry in The Canadian Encyclopedia (which is cited as a footnote in our article) say that she did anything in the 1990s but collect a couple of lifetime achievement awards either — and the French article even has "Années actives = 1948-1989" right in its infobox. So the article not containing information about her career in the 1990s is not a flaw in the article, it's "she was retired and didn't have a career in the 1990s for us to write about". Bearcat (talk) 12:08, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies; the article was not clear regarding when she retired. Even then, the only thing the article has about her career in the 70s is an award she won and a documentary about her, so my point still stands, regardless of when her career occurred. SpencerT•C 16:28, 20 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) 2019 Hong Kong protests

Article: 2019 Hong Kong protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: 100k people a week ago was a big deal, 100 people 4 days ago is not. The article is gigantic and overly detailed -- and has been orange tagged for NPOV for several days now. LaserLegs (talk) 21:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing removal 2019 Maltese protests

Article: 2019 Maltese protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Last protest of any significance was a week ago, article is orange tagged for neutrality. LaserLegs (talk) 21:21, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What substantive events? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:11, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The December 13 events take up 4-5 paragraphs of text, which is more than sufficient. The December 16 events have much less, but the December 13 stuff was only a few days ago. Give it a few more days and see if anything else develops. --Jayron32 13:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I saw lots of text there, but I'm asking "what substantive events" --LaserLegs (talk) 14:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What makes the events substantive is that source texts which can be used to update Wikipedia are covering them as though they are substantive events. My personal feelings, familiarity, opinions, or interest in the events has nothing to do with my assessment of substantive, which in the context of Wikipedia relies only on what is written in Wikipedia and what is written in reliable sources. --Jayron32 16:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying that for an item to remain in Ongoing, each update to it should be the equivalent in significance of an ITN posting in its own right? I don't think we've ever operated that way.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:28, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily, but that's the reason that the Ongoing section was originally created (the Olympics, so that Olympics-related items wouldn't clog up the section). My definition for In order to be posted to ongoing, the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information. requires that there is some sense of notability to this information, that there would be consideration to posting to ITN as a blurb. For this item, where an NGO makes a request to the president and there's a relatively small vigil (in the context of broader protests), this does not rise to meet that minimum. SpencerT•C 23:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anna Karina

Article: Anna Karina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Nominator's comments: Iconic French actress. --SirEdimon (talk) 15:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Former Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir is sentenced to two years detention in a reform facility for corruption. There is heavy military custody of the government buildings and the court as followers of his now dissolved party rally in his support. Defense lawyers say they will appeal the sentence. (Reuters)

Omar al-Bashir convicted of corruption

Article: Omar al-Bashir (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former president of Sudan Omar al-Bashir is convicted of corruption and financial irregularity by a Sudanese court and is sentenced to two years in prison. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former president of Sudan Omar al-Bashir is convicted of corruption by a Sudanese court and sentenced to two years in prison.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former president of Sudan Omar al-Bashir is convicted of corruption and money laundering by a Sudanese court and sentenced to two years in prison.
News source(s): NYT
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Omar al-Bashir was ousted as president of Sudan in April of this year; this is his first criminal trial since then. He is also wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity for the Darfur genocide, but it is unclear if he will be turned over. Davey2116 (talk) 10:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Who says he's getting out of jail? InedibleHulk (talk) 04:16, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He is going to the ICC after this. Even the U.S. has agreed to send ambassadors to Sudan, for the first time in 23 years. This is a feat in the Sudanese transition to democracy. I wish people would stop treating ITN like a competition. We should have posted something about COP25 because it was significant news. We should also post this because it is significant news. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 07:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The BBC explains that "under Sudanese law, people over the age of 70 cannot serve jail terms. Bashir is 75." So, all the proposed blurbs are inaccurate. If the ICC does something then there might be more of a story but that's speculation. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:53, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • China–United States trade war
    • Both countries announce an initial deal where new tariffs to be mutually imposed on December 15 would not be implemented. China says it "will buy more high quality of American agricultural products", while the United States says it will halve the existing 15% tariffs. (The Guardian)

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(Posted) RD: Sheila Mercier

Article: Sheila Mercier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: The Emmerdale star. Sourcing issues are minor and can be solved easily. ミラP 01:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Danny Aiello

Article: Danny Aiello (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American actor best known for Do the Right Thing. Article has sourcing problems. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Samoa Measles Outbreak from Ongoing

Article: 2019 Samoa measles outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: No substantial prose updates to the article in the past 3 days (mostly addition of references or tallying statistics). While technically ongoing, this item would have been better fit for a blurb, given the lack of continual ITN-postable events occurring. SpencerT•C 15:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Brexit

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Article: Brexit (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Hot important ongoing event that keep appearing in the news on a daily basis. News regarding this issue are fundamental and important on the international level. Main article and sub articles are getting updates on daily basis. Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 05:13, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Masem How does the next steps matter now that Brexit is officially back on the agenda? Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 09:23, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Jayron32 provides a good rationale. We know Brexit will be on the table soon enough, but unlikely before end of the year. When they reconvene next year, I fully expect Brexit to be the big point, at which point we can judge better about an ongoing news item. --Masem (t) 15:33, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I fully expect some miraculous and totally unforeseen thing to occur before Jan. 31, which results in X more months of delays, which results in some other confounding thing, and so on. How many deadlines has this already blown through? In short and contra CRYSTAL, I think this is going to be ongoing for well more than 7 weeks. I'd prefer blurbs, too, in any other case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.3.203 (talk) 08:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If the Tories have that large a majority, the opposition won't be able to stop Brexit. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. Boris says by Jan. 31. Mutti says unlikely even by the end of 2020. Whose vision is ... 20/20? – Sca (talk) 15:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Scheer announces pending resignation

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Article: Andrew Scheer (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ On December 12, 2019, Scheer announced he would be resigning as the leader of the Conservative Party effective upon the election of a new one. (Post)
News source(s): [21], [22]

Nominator's comments: Andrew Scheer is the leader of the Conservative party of Canada. The conservative party won the popular vote in the 2019 Canadian federal election. His resignation annoucement is being discussed in the news, which is why I thought this would be relevant here. I've never contributed to in the news before... I've tried to make sure that I've done everything right when it comes to nominating an article, but it's possible that I've made a mistake since I'm not familiar with the process. Clovermoss (talk) 22:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2019 Winter Deaflympics

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Article: 2019 Winter Deaflympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 19th Winter Deaflympics officially opens in Italy on 12 December (Post)
News source(s): insidethegames
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is the Olympics for the deaf. I prefer posting to ongoing event but I just mentioned a blurb as a remedy. I just wanted to make awareness about this event. The article is developing. File:2019 Winter Deaflympics.png Abishe (talk) 16:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Abishe Sources for article content do not need to be in English, but what ITN is looking for is evidence that this is getting coverage in the news- and to a certain degree English language news, since that's what most readers here get for news. The chances of this being successful are low without such news sources. 331dot (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2019 United Kingdom general election

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Article: 2019 United Kingdom general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Conservative Party, led by Boris Johnson (pictured), wins a majority of seats in the UK general election. (Post)
News source(s): AP, Reuters
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Polls are currently open in the UK for a very crucial snap election and results are due to come out in the evening. XAnio (talk) 14:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Carcharoth Fair enough, but I was not predicting anything, simply posting the general consensus of reliable sources, which is something that is not uncommon here. 331dot (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've restored the placeholder based on exit polls, but the results still need to come in. 331dot (talk) 22:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing: Climate change

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Article: Climate change (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: A number of different issues regarding the subject in the news lately, sub articles getting regular updates per WP: SUMMARY and the target itself is in good shape. LaserLegs (talk) 14:11, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Greta Thunberg addresses COP25

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Articles: Greta Thunberg (talk · history · tag) and 2019 United Nations Climate Change Conference (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Greta Thunberg, the 2019 Time Person of the Year, addresses the 2019 United Nations Climate Change Conference. (Post)
News source(s): "Almost nothing is being done"; Time,
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The discussion below was closed too quickly (just 7 hours). The thing is that Greta Thunberg is not just the youngest Time person of the year; she's also in the news for addressing the current UN conference, COP25, and so we can score a double. Note that we only have three blurbs currently and they are not getting much readership – Thunberg is already getting more than all of them put together (163K yesterday while even the volcano only got 29K). The COP25 conference is generating other major news such as the acceleration of Greenland's melting and so we ought to have an entry of some sort for this set of major stories. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:17, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If one wants to post something about Greenland, they are free to nominate it. 331dot (talk) 12:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • (ec) 331dot rushes to oppose even while I'm still fixing up the entry but what's the rush? ITN is currently devoid of news and so we can take a full day to let everyone have their say. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:26, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd appreciate it if you addressed me directly instead of acting like I am not here. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 12:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just a reminder to the community, COP25 was nominated, opposed, and closed last week. Only pointing out for those who may have missed it! mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2019 Inates attack

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Article: 2019 Inates attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 71 people were killed after terrorists stormed a military base in Inates, Niger. (Post)
News source(s): (BBC) (Reuters) (Al Jazeera)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Numerous deaths. ArionEstar (talk) 09:25, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Greta Thunberg Time Person of the Year

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Article: Greta Thunberg (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Time names Greta Thunberg the 2019 Time Person of the Year. (Post)
News source(s): Time, NBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Youngest ever to be selected DannyS712 (talk) 01:07, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: David Bellamy

Article: David Bellamy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous botanist and broadcaster Andrew🐉(talk) 19:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Date is now correct and sourced. Honours and awards still lacking some sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:23, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The subject's article got 82000 views yesterday – more than all our blurbs combined. Given this level of readership, what I made sure was that the picture was sorted – the thumbnail was being squeezed too tight when I found it. Sourcing such a prominent person's extensive history of appearances is mostly busywork because few readers care about such details. By the time all that is sorted out, few people will be reading the article and so it's wasted effort. But if we each have our different priorities then, between us, the page is made more presentable. Many hands make light work... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:04, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Making Wikipedia articles better is not busy work, it is literally the only reason we should be here. --Jayron32 14:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, sounds about right. A prominent person will get huge page views, regardless of article quality. When the article has finally been "improved enough" to be listed on Main page (about 2 days later usually), most interested parties have already read it and are more interested in the next news headline. I'm not sure the rationale of "directing the reader to high quality articles" really works for RDs. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you think it's impractical to fix all of those uncited claims in a short time, simply delete them from the article. They can then be added back if and when sources are found, and Bellamy could appear in the RD section. Right now there are still too many uncited claims to justify posting on the main page. Modest Genius talk 18:16, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree. Information that is likely to be true and relevant should be WP:PRESERVED. Don't do a disservice to readers merely to get an RD.—Bagumba (talk) 19:21, 17 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Attack on Bagram Air Base

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Article: Attack on Bagram Air Base (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Taliban launched an attack on a US controlled air base in Afghanistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Taliban forces assaulted an United States air base in Afganistan amidst peace talks between the two parties. The attackers used a car bomb and armed personnel, but were successfully repelled by a NATO mission present at the base.
News source(s): (New York Times)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Taliban Attack on US military Base forces NATO to repel an attack. This is already in the "Current Events" section on Wikipedia, so it needs to be in the "In the News" section. Elijahandskip (talk) 16:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Saudi Aramco

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Article: Saudi Aramco (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Saudi Aramco commences trading on the Tadawul stock exchange, following the largest ever initial public offering, and becomes the largest publicly traded company by market capitalisation (Post)
Alternative blurb: Saudi Aramco becomes the largest traded company after a record-breaking US$25.6 billion initial public offering.
Alternative blurb II: Saudi Aramco becomes the largest traded company after a record-breaking US$25.6 billion initial public offering for 1.5% of the state-owned business.
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/11/saudi-aramco-shares-soar-as-it-becomes-world-largest-listed-company
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Largest IPO ever; largest publicly traded company by market capitalisation Chrisclear (talk) 10:18, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes - the valuation is indeed what it is - with over $25 billion publicly traded. That $25 billion alone makes it a large company, even ignoring the other $1.6 trillion (or more?) which is not part of the float. In September 2014, the (then-record) Alibaba IPO was posted, so I don't see why this should be any different. Chrisclear (talk) 11:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't vote for it, but the BABA IPO was for ca. 10% of the company with explicit intentions to float more in the future (it is now about 65%, considered "low" for an enterprise of it's size), and it did it at a venue which allows broad and public ownership, with associated enforcement of property rights. This compares to 1.5% for Aramco, on a stock exchange that explicitly prohibits virtually everyone from participation, and under a government that just a few years ago violently extorted billions from it's own citizens under the guise of "anti-corruption". And the stock has no voting right whatsoever. Like I wrote above, the blurb is technically correct, but we're really stretching the meanings of stock and public and even traded.130.233.3.203 (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why this matters - the blurb does not state "wholly public" Chrisclear (talk) 11:36, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The blurb States "largest public company" which is not true because it remains state owned. --Masem (t) 12:31, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose we could argue over the semantics of what "public company" means, now that the IPO has been completed. What is clear is that it is no longer 100% owned by the government. Regardless, for the sake of clarity I changed the proposed blurb to state "largest publicly traded company" which is not in doubt. Chrisclear (talk) 12:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would go with exactly what the Guardian stated : "Largest listed company". That only 1.5% of its ownership is now public from this makes it hard to use the word "public" here. I have added alt-blurbs. --Masem (t) 14:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) The Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 2019

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Article: The Citizenship (Amendment) Bill, 2019 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Indian parliament amends the citizenship act to make illegal migrants from six religious communities from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan eligible for citizenship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Indian parliament amends the citizenship act to make illegal migrants, who are Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians, from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan eligible for citizenship.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Indian parliament amends the citizenship act to make illegal migrants from six religious communities from three neighbouring nations eligible for citizenship.
News source(s): [24]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: May require some copyediting. Bit early because the Bill is under discussion in Rajya Sabha (upper house of parliament) right now. If passed (which is most likely), this nomination should be considered.
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(Posted) Autonomous Province of Bougainville independence referendum

Article: 2019 Bougainvillean independence referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a plebiscite held as an outcome of the Bougainville Peace Agreement, the Autonomous Province of Bougainville votes overwhelmingly for independence from Papua New Guinea (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In a non-binding referendum, Bougainville votes overwhelmingly for independence from Papua New Guinea
Alternative blurb II: ​ In a non-binding referendum held as part of the Bougainville Peace Agreement, the Autonomous Region of Bougainville votes overwhelmingly for independence from Papua New Guinea.
News source(s): The Age CNN NYT BBC AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: While the vote needs ratification by the PNG parliament, this is a substantial stepping stone in the creation of a new sovereign state Mattinbgn (talk) 05:11, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Test cricket returns to Pakistan after ten years

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Article: Sri Lankan cricket team in Pakistan in 2019–20 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pakistan hosts first international Test cricket match after 2009 since the terror attack on Sri Lankan cricket team. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cricket, Pakistan hosts first international Test cricket match in a decade, after the 2009 attack on the Sri Lankan team.
News source(s): CNN, The Guardian, Al Jazeera, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: First of all the article is well updated and well sourced. Usually bilateral cricket series are not recommended to nominate here. But this is quite significant as the test series is hosted by the war torn nation after 10 years since the attack on Sri Lankan team. This is the major terror attack being trageted on any particular sports team. Previously Pakistan hosted test matches in the United Arab Emirates. Pakistan has also hosted ODI and T20I games in their home soil but test cricket is a five day format which was not played there over 10 years. The series is also significantly covered as a part of the inaugural edition of the ICC World Test ChampionshipAbishe (talk) 03:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This Australian finds this event newsworthy, as I'm sure Test Cricket fans all over the world do. Test Match Cricket, by definition, is international. HiLo48 (talk) 02:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would oppose any and all, regardless of origin, parochial news of this sort. I think there is an inherent cricket bias on ITN, and I for one would do my utmost to combat it.--WaltCip (talk) 01:47, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Parochial? It's about international sport at the highest level! If we used "too parochial" as a guideline, hardly any American sporting event would ever be posted here. HiLo48 (talk) 01:59, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We posted Sachin Tendulkar's 100 centuries, we posted Pakistan cricket spot-fixing scandal, we had the world cricket whatever in Ongoing for weeks.... --LaserLegs (talk) 03:06, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And I find American Football as boring as batshit. Seriously, these Oppose arguments are all of the form "I have no interest in cricket". Ridiculous. HiLo48 (talk) 03:42, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If we only posted the "highest level" of each sport, that would be fine, but that's not what happens. Even if we just count ITNR events, there's considerable inequity in favor of rugby, soccer, and cricket. But then these three get ad-hoc noms all the time, and we dumb yanks are told how important these three are. We cannot get even a second American Football event posted, but the big Sri Lanka-Pakistan tilt just has to get posted. RIGHT. It's a blind spot in our processes here, plain and simple. GreatCaesarsGhost 01:11, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So this nomination must miss out because there have been some bad ones in the past? Please think about that logic. This is about a lot more than a Sri Lanka-Pakistan contest. I'll stop now, before I express any more of my frustration at the high number of stupid comments being made here. HiLo48 (talk) 03:30, 13 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Since the reason for not visiting Pakistan was security concerns, the notable event would be the first time an international cricket team visited Pakistan. Whether they visited to play Test cricket or ODI cricket is irrelevant --NSharma21 (talk) 10:41, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to make sure I read that post correctly, are you seriously making a prejudgment about someone's motivations (much less nationality) based on their name?--WaltCip (talk) 13:08, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
More to the point is that NSharma21's only edits thus far are to this page and to blue-link their user page. Not exactly newbie behavior.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:44, 12 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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December 10[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: Yury Luzhkov

Article: Yury Luzhkov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Moscow in 1992–2010. Currently tagged for refs, but size-wise good. Brandmeistertalk 21:56, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jim Smith

Article: Jim Smith (footballer, born 1940) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Almost 40 years in football management. P-K3 (talk) 19:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Chilean Air Force C-130 disappearance

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Article: 2019 Chilean Air Force C-130 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Chilean military plane (pictured) with 38 people on board has disappeared en route to Antarctica. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After a three-day search, the crash of a Chilean military plane (pictured) with 38 people on board was located with no survivors
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, Reuters, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: High number of casualties. Unfortunately article is a stub for now. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not formally opposing, but agree that existing article is too thin for Main Page promotion. If more information became available it could be upgraded, in view of likely death tally. – Sca (talk) 15:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 9[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Science and technology

Sports

(Posted) RD: George Laurer

Article: George Laurer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Inventor of the barcode scannerAndrew🐉(talk) 18:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Marie Fredriksson

Article: Marie Fredriksson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [25],[26],[27], [28],[29]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: World famous singer known for her career in Roxette.

RD: Kim Woo-jung

Article: Kim Woo-jung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [30]
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: He is a South Korean businessman and founder and chairman of the Daewoo Group. ChongDae (talk) 02:06, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Chuck Heberling

Article: Chuck Heberling (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Post-Gazette
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maurice Mounsdon

Article: Maurice Mounsdon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ITV, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Battle of Britain pilot, dies at the age of 101. Note: died 6 December. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I can see! Marked as ready mike_gigs talkcontribs 13:52, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sanna Marin becomes prime minister

Articles: Sanna Marin (talk · history · tag) and Prime Minister of Finland (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Sanna Marin is sworn in as Prime Minister of Finland, making her the world's youngest serving prime minister. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sanna Marin is the first world leader to be raised by a same -sex couple
Alternative blurb II: Sanna Marin becomes Prime Minister of Finland after Antti Rinne resigns over his handling of a postal strike.
News source(s): The Guardian, Al Jazeera, CNN, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This will be happening tomorrow (Dec 10). I hope posting here now is OK as it will encourage improvements and expansion to the rather short article before posting to ITN. Funcrunch (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@InedibleHulk: Independent of her age or parents, wouldn't she be posted to ITN as a new head of state regardless? Funcrunch (talk) 19:30, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I see the President of Finland is the actual head of state, so nevermind. Funcrunch (talk) 19:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is head of government, not head of state. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:50, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops, meant to say head of state. Thanks for the correction InedibleHulk mike_gigs talkcontribs 21:18, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If it's any consolation, I could tell it was just your fingers talking. But other people? Not so sure. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyclonebiskit: I admit that I am unfamiliar with Finnish government, but it is unclear to me from the Wikipedia page whether or not the president's powers are in actuality greater than that of the prime minister's. If the PM has greater authority, it seems she should be listed at ITN even though she isn't head of state. Funcrunch (talk) 22:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on recent comments by Smurrayinchester clarifying the difference between the Finnish President and Prime Minister. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 23:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Seems in order to me. Both draw power from the constitution, and the PM (featuring MPs) dishes out the legislative and executive duty. Kind of like Canada, except our head of state is the world's oldest female. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Paul Volcker

Article: Paul Volcker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American economist, chairman of the Federal Reserve (1979–87), dies at age 92. Davey2116 (talk) 14:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Russia banned from global sports for four years

Articles: Doping in Russia (talk · history · tag) and Russia at the 2020 Summer Olympics (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia is banned from international sporting events for four years, including from the 2020 Olympics, due to doping violations. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The World Anti-Doping Agency bans Russia from participating in international sporting events for four years due to doping violations.
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated

 Davey2116 (talk) 10:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 White Island eruption

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Article: 2019 Whakaari / White Island eruption (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Whakaari / White Island volcano (pictured) in New Zealand erupts, killing at least five people and injuring many others. (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Developing event.  Nixinova TC   06:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. "Death toll expected to rise from five," says Guardian. I get Modest Genius 's opsn, but the sudden, violent deaths of two dozen or more would be worth ITN. Five isn't. Wait. – Sca (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Having seen some of the effects of one eruption, I'll never get why people want to get close to an active volcano. – Sca (talk) 17:51, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Old saying in the news biz: "Never assume anything." – Sca (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2019 (UTC) [reply]
Old saying in the encyclopedia biz: "To a philosopher all news, as it is called, is gossip, and they who edit and read it are old women over their tea." - Henry David Thoreau. Good old ITN. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC) [reply]

December 8[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

RD: René Auberjonois

Article: René Auberjonois (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Seattle Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well-known actor on Benson and ST: DS9. Unfortunately, sourcing is way off. Masem (t) 22:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to ongoing) Samoan measles outbreak

Article: 2019 Samoa measles outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): [32] [33]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Was going to nominate this a while ago, but got caught up in off wiki activities. Massive death toll considering the size of the nation (post article puts it into perspective). It is ongoing, but if accepted maybe a blurb would be better. Article alright. AIRcorn (talk) 21:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Caroll Spinney

Article: Caroll Spinney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, WaPo, NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American puppeteer, most famous for playing Big Bird and Oscar on Sesame Street for half a century, dies at age 86. Davey2116 (talk) 18:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. But I don't see anything wrong with the article, and I support linking it from the main page. —Steve Summit (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is the farthest case I would even begin considering for a blurb. May be a fond childhood memory but we're not going to post a blurb based on that. --Masem (t) 23:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support adding a picture of Big Bird, as it is globally recognizable. Davey2116 (talk) 10:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Big Bird is still alive (or "alive") and working, though. Only Spinney died. He's not such a familiar face. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Juice Wrld

Article: Juice Wrld (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Young rapper that died from a seizure. Article is not quite there but its within range in terms of sourcing. Masem (t) 16:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Maurizio Cattelan's $120,000 banana eaten by David Datuna

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Articles: Maurizio Cattelan (talk · history · tag) and David Datuna (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Maurizio Cattelan's $120,000 banana eaten by David Datuna (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Both articles need updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 12:02, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Although if Datuna has his thinking cap on, he would approximate Manzoni's work with the banana, a valued recycling of semi-epic proportions. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Martinevans123, I am curious to know how much will a can filled with Datuna's shit will now sell for ? any bets ?--DBigXray 13:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thousands of Wikipedia readers in disarray after a hungry artist eats a US$120,000 banana seems like a good headline though. --DBigXray 13:51, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
...Or a devious publicity stunt.--DBigXray 14:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And (not 'Or') a publicity stunt. It was also part of the Performance art. Man eats $120,000 piece of art taped to wall AFP December 8, 2019 7&6=thirteen () 14:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
naah, I'd not call this as fake news, the man did eat the banana after all. The fact that the museum added another banana there within 15 mins, is a different story. --DBigXray 15:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Fake news" doesn't apply to this, events which actually occurred. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:15, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it occurred, and that is a fact. So it isn't worthwhile "news" even if it isn't fake. But it is a manufactured event that isn't worth mentioning on the main page. 7&6=thirteen () 15:18, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, to that I would agree. It is just that calling an event that "actually" happened as fake news will itself be a fake news. With all these fake news floating around, why add another ? DBigXray 15:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I agree. And of course, there are persons in power that use the "fake news" label as an epithet, even when it shouldn't apply. 7&6=thirteen () 15:33, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Fake fruit?? All sounds a bit trippy to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Delhi factory fire

Article: 2019 Delhi factory fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least forty three people dead and more than fifty injured in fire at a factory in Delhi (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, NDTV, BBC, CNN, AP, Guardian
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Nominator's comments: stub class, being expanded. Now start class after I expanded. Well sourced. DBigXray 09:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, Today's fire is the worst Delhi has seen since 1997, Surat is a separate city and it happened in May. LaserLegs it would be helpful if you could point the improvements on the talk page, thanks. --DBigXray 15:05, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Valereee has helped to copy edit the article. --DBigXray 06:48, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

December 7[edit]

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(Posted) RD: Herbert Joos

Article: Herbert Joos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuttgarter Zeitung
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Influential jazz trumpeter and flugelhornist. When I met the article not even his death had a ref. Much more could be possible, - he has an article on his recordings on de. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bump Elliott

Article: Bump Elliott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Long-time college sports coach and administrator. Article is classified as a GA. Lepricavark (talk) 18:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @MSGJ: Yeah, I should have taken care of that, but I wasn't sure where it would fit within the article. It looks like Pawnkingthree has taken care of the update. Lepricavark (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ron Saunders

Article: Ron Saunders (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Veteran football manager. Article is in good shape. Black Kite (talk) 23:52, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to ongoing) 2019 Maltese protests

Article: 2019 Maltese protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Maltese Prime Minister Muscat set to resign in January amid continued and escalating protests in Malta. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ A series of protests rock Malta, following an investigation into the murder of Daphne Caruana Galizia
News source(s): CNN, BBC ABC news,
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: News on the protests have been widespread across international and national agencies. Protests are ongoing, and of national and European importance. Zugraga talk 09:55, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I'm not sure if my comment is allowed - the "dozens" you are referring to refers to a small protest carried out by Maltese in London. Tomorrow, another demonstration in Malta has been announced, with a turnout expected in tens of thousands, as all other protests in Malta. Thanks! Zugraga talk 18:14, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • So when that happens it will have been the second protest of any significance in a week -- still not "ongoing". I don't care that much if it's blurbed I just don't want a slow simmering story festering in the box for a year. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:15, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought I will support a blurb once the Prime Minister resigns, so ongoing for now I guess. Taewangkorea (talk) 06:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Berkley Bedell

Article: Berkley Bedell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KUOO News
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Member of Congress for ten years. Article appears to be in good shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 22:15, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Ron Leibman

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Article: Ron Leibman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Start Class article of an American actor. Sourcing, especially filmography needs volunteers to work upon. DBigXray 09:25, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2019 Hyderabad gang rape

Article: 2019 Hyderabad gang rape (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four suspects in the Hyderabad gang rape case are shot dead by the police. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ The four suspects in the Hyderabad gang rape are shot dead while trying to escape by the police.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The four suspects in the Hyderabad gang rape are shot dead while allegedly trying to escape by the police.
News source(s): CNN, BBCDawn ABC news, NDTV AFP
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The news of rape and murder was itself widely reported. After the Police encounter it has become a leading news item across international newspapers (see links above from today). The article is well sourced. DBigXray 13:12, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Masem, The concern I have with the alt blurb is, we are assuming the claim by the police as a fact here. Only an independent investigation by NHRC that is ongoing, can bring out if it was indeed what the Cops (who are the killers here) were indeed being truthful or if it was a fake and staged Police encounter. AFAICS the sources are attributing the claim to the Police, and there is no reason for Wikipedia to not do it. --DBigXray 14:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can understand that - just that none of the RSes are posing that question. As I mentioned, if this was in the US, it would be implicit that there was a possible police setup to kill these outside the justice system. I don't know if India has that same problem, but the sources are not giving that impression - no one seems to be begging the question of the police story, yet. I have no problem with the alledgely in there as in the alt2, but the first was just a bit too terse that it could have been read that this was a criticized action on the police, where in fact its being treated as a resolution on the rape crime. --Masem (t) 14:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, the thing you think after your brain clicks is true. Sometimes I wonder how you, as an American, are even alive right now, with the opioid, shooting and fascism epidemics tearing your world apart simultaneously. Then my brain clicks. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:04, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
InedibleHulk, Sca, User:GreatCaesarsGhost. If it was just a rape, we probably wont even be having an article on wiki. yes rapes happen everywhere, but not all rapes are covered like this. The reason for the enormous coverage is the enormous public protest and outrage that came after the rape. You can see the Aftermath section to understand more. --DBigXray 19:05, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's fair - the reaction is the story. My point (before it was intentionally perverted) is that a casual reader may not make that connection, but instead read a steady stream of rape stories about India as evidence that India is uniquely afflicted. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Opinion - The frequency illusion that tags India as rape central is a good article on this. Side discussion continued on User_talk:GreatCaesarsGhost --DBigXray 21:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Apart from various aspects of culture, India does have one point of uniqueness directly related to potentially increasing gender issues -- its rapidly tilting gender ratio, currently 1.12/1.13 males to every female through the age of 24 (fifth highest in the world at birth) and climbing. In a country of 1 billion+ population, that adds up to a lot of unattached men. - Tenebris 66.11.171.90 (talk) 00:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Unelongated – is that like unmeaningless? – Sca (talk) 15:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LaserLegs, Are you saying a problematic sentence is reason to keep the blurb off the main page? Because if it's just an issue you've found in the article that needs to be fixed, it's generally better to just fix it yourself, or if you can't figure out how to fix it, you can discuss how to fix it at the article talk rather than bringing it up in the itn nom. --valereee (talk) 17:47, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with valereee, this is bickering. I don't see any problem in the sentence, but if someone thinks they can rewrite it in a better way, they are welcome to change it.--DBigXray 19:01, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree all you want, I read articles before rushing to pile "support" on some "very important" bullshit if that's not good enough for y'all I don't know what to tell you. These ESL articles ALWAYS have questionable grammar and require constant attention while on the MP. Nevermind... --LaserLegs (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have no clue what ESL articles mean. Nevertheless, you should know that "require constant attention while on the MP" is never a reasonable justification to oppose a proposal for Mainpage. That is another bickering. --DBigXray 19:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Presumably English as a second or foreign language is what LaserLegs is referring to.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:08, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LaserLegs, not only have I read the article, I've edited it heavily in the past 8 hours. The sentence you objected to as being disqualifying for the article being linked from the main page was fixed by this: The police has have not confirmed a link between the second corpse and the veterinarian's murder. --valereee (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@LaserLegs: Indian English can be appropriate under MOS:TIES.—Bagumba (talk) 02:25, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, thanks Fuzheado--DBigXray 19:00, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tabloid trash in any language. – Sca (talk) 14:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ji Zhe

Article: Ji Zhe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP, Xinhua
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Three-time CBA champion, died at age 33. Zanhe (talk) 07:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Robert Walker (actor, born 1940)

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Article: Robert Walker (actor, born 1940) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American actor. The article has several issues, but I'm working on it. --SirEdimon (talk) 02:06, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) SMS Scharnhorst

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Article: SMS Scharnhorst (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The wreck of the German armoured cruiser SMS Scharnhorst (pictured), sunk in December 1914, is discovered near the Falkland Islands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The wreck of the cruiser SMS Scharnhorst (pictured), which sank during the Battle of the Falkland Islands in December 1914, is discovered
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Interesting news and it's a featured article. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:52, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PS: This is not the noted battleship Scharnhorst of World War II. – Sca (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Sri Lankan Swiss embassy controversy

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Article: 2019 Sri Lankan Swiss embassy controversy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Sri Lanka and Switzerland engage in a diplomatic standoff after the abduction of Swiss embassy personnel in Colombo (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is a major incident in Sri Lankan politics after the 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election and has been in the headlines since 25 November 2019. Abishe (talk) 10:39, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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  • A boat carrying refugees capsized near Nouadhibou, off the coast of Mauritania, in one of the deadliest maritime disasters this year, leaving 58 people dead and many more who tried to swim to shore in need of treatment. The boat had departed The Gambia on 27 November 2019. It was heading towards the Canary Islands when it approached the Mauritanian coast to get fuel and food. The boat had been carrying between 150–180 people when it capsized, most of them aged between 20 and 30. (The Guardian)
  • A gas explosion in Szczyrk, Poland causes a three-story building to collapse and kills 8 people (tvn24.pl)

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(Posted) RD: Chen Xingbi

Article: Chen Xingbi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Xinhua
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article is fully sourced. Zanhe (talk) 11:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tetsu Nakamura

Article: Tetsu Nakamura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese humanitarian in Afghanistan whose murder has been making headlines worldwide. Zanhe (talk) 01:11, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Parker Solar Probe

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Article: Parker Solar Probe (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists publish four papers reporting their findings from the Parker Solar Probe's first two of three dives toward the Sun so far. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Parker Solar Probe's first findings report "rogue" magnetic waves.
Alternative blurb II: ​ After flying closer to the sun than any probe in history, the Parker Solar Probe's first findings report "rogue" magnetic waves.
Alternative blurb III: ​ After flying closer to the sun than any probe in history, the Parker Solar Probe's first findings report "rogue" magnetic waves strong enough to completely reverse the local magnetic field and increase solar wind speeds by 300,000 mph.
News source(s): The New York Times, The Guardian, Nature [35], National Geographic
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Nominator's comments: May need more of an update than my layman's understanding of the Physics. This should be an ITNR, by my interpretation, as the mission is now accomplishing its goal, but our criteria for probes and other spacecraft at ITNR needs to be updated reflect the modern way these missions accomplish their goals. Reaching their destination is not the major accomplishment anymore. It is times like these when scientists report their findings that the mission reaches its true climax. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 02:56, 5 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) P. Chidambaram

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Article: P. Chidambaram (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Finance Minister of India gets bail after 106 days in prison. (Post)
News source(s): IndiaToday, BBC
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(Posted) RD: Bob Willis

Article: Bob Willis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Daily Telegraph; Sky News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 SchroCat (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ritchie. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Alphabet Inc. CEO changed

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Articles: Alphabet Inc. (talk · history · tag) and Sundar Pichai (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Google CEO Sundar Pichai becomes the CEO of parent company Alphabet Inc. after founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin stepped down. (Post)
News source(s): [40] [41]
Article updated
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(Closed) RD: Cha In-ha

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(Posted) RD: Mutaib bin Abdulaziz Al Saud[edit]

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Template:Ping credits please. --Vegan Gypsy (talk) 14:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Johann Baptist Metz[edit]

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(Posted) RD: George Atkinson III[edit]

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(Posted) RD: D.C. Fontana[edit]

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(Closed) COP25[edit]

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Yet at the same time, I would not be the least bit astonished, considering The Orange One's boorish eagerness to crash out of the Paris Agreement and tout the wonders of beautiful clean coal. That may diminish its significance somewhat.--WaltCip (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Everyone is tired of the topic, but that doesn't mean it's not newsworthy. – Sca (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Power of Siberia opened[edit]

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It's the widest (flow-wise), beating Yamal-Europe by five billion annual cubic metres. In theory, anyway. We'll see next year. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Hong Kong protests[edit]

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That article mostly signifies nothing, too. Hundreds carried balloons, called on people who weren't there, then dispersed in an orderly fashion at dusk, like pedestrians. A few rowdies in the news chucking stuff, but a few mildly bad apples don't bump up the bunch. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the article was removed from ongoing without any comment on its updates. It was removed because we posted a blurb about the district council elections. Davey2116 (talk) 18:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The neutrality tag should have been accompanied with the opening of a talk page discussion; I don't see one, so removing the tag is justified. Davey2116 (talk) 22:43, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
IP has this one right. Searching Google for a definition of "siege", I get "an operation in which a police or other force surround a building and cut off supplies, with the aim of forcing an armed person to surrender", which is a picture perfect description of what happened. Banedon (talk) 00:35, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you should get the CUHK article renamed again, since consensus was against you there. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, even China Daily called it a siege. But what another article is called really makes no difference to this nomination. So maybe move that discussion to the article talk of said article?2003:D6:2729:FFD1:6921:9F6:90F7:B605 (talk) 01:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping - Template:Tq was the exact description given in Reuters / Associated Press / Agence France Presse / BBC / Bloomberg / Al Jazeera / Nikkei Asian Review. I'd like to see you provide sources that are even more neutral that what I can come up with. Plus, you have mixed up the universities. The Chinese University of Hong Kong conflict is not the same as the Siege of the Hong Kong Polytechnic University. Clearly, you are not as well read on this issue as I would have hoped. starship.paint (talk) 04:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, the Polytech article still uses siege in the name and is not renamed like LaserLegs claims? Oh well... What is the issue regarding the term 'siege' NPOV wise anyway? Seems to be a term used to describe the event by both sides (link to a China Daily article in a previous comment), plus all the sources Starship paint linked to and my basic search from before... What is your issue here exactly LaserLegs? Why is it not NPOV in your opinion? 2003:D6:2729:FFD1:F091:9422:AF9A:319A (talk) 07:04, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So CNN calls it an occupation since we're cherry picking WP:RS which suits our POV and rightly points out that the students were free to leave any time they just faced arrest -- so not a siege at all. Cool right? --LaserLegs (talk) 10:17, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cherrypicking sources? You cannot be serious with that. In this nomination alone there are 11 sources calling it a siege, from both sides of the issue no less. You present one source and say the rest of us are cherrypicking to suit a particular POV?!? And since when is a siege defined through physical harm? It does not matter if they 'just faced arrest' (citation needed on that by the way). Banedon gave you the definition for what a siege is. So, again... What is your actual issue here. And this time please without cherrypicking a single source and making a pompous argument out of it. For example, why is 'siege' not ok in your opinion? What is the value judgement of the term, how is it POV? Please explain that. You may not like this "zombie article", as you called it before, but come on... this is ridiculous. 2003:D6:2729:FFD1:F091:9422:AF9A:319A (talk) 10:57, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping - what a ridiculous charge of cherry picking given the breadth and the quality of the sources I've provided, followed by original research (Template:Tq) totally contrary to reliable sources. Who's the one cherry picking, when CNN has also called it a Template:Tq? starship.paint (talk) 10:58, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
CNN also calls criticism an attack, Washington a battlefield and information ammunition. News skirts the line to make the mundane feel interesting, encyclopedias needn't ought to. It is technically a very small siege, though (any besieged force is free to surrender). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Lil Bub[edit]

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Template:Re Yes, so I switch to support. ミラP 15:12, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes... I need to look closer at the sources themselves, not just which claims are sourced. Switching to oppose per GreatCaesarsGhost mike_gigs talkcontribs 20:43, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Iraqi protests[edit]

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